Chinese shipyard won the tender for the construction of the first two hulls for Russian floating nuclear power plants

The hulls for the first two floating nuclear power plants intended to supply the Baimsky GOK in Chukotka will be built in China. As reported "Businessman", the competition was won by a shipyard in Nantong.

Rosatom held a tender for the construction of the first two hulls for floating nuclear power plants only among Asian shipyards. As a result, the Chinese shipyard Wison (Nantong) Heavy Industry Co Ltd was declared the winner, which offered the lowest contract value - $ 225,8 million.

Under the terms of the contract, the Chinese must build two buildings of floating nuclear power plants with a residential superstructure. The deadline for the first is until October 2, 2023, the second - until February 2, 2024. After that, both buildings will be delivered to the Baltiyskiy Zavod, where work will be carried out to install reactors and turbines. The third and fourth hulls of floating nuclear power plants will be laid in the same place in St. Petersburg.

According to analysts, the Chinese shipyard was chosen due to the unwillingness to disrupt the deadlines and increase the cost of the project as a whole, especially since the capacities of the Baltic Shipyard, where these hulls could be built, are loaded with the construction of four icebreakers. At the same time, it is argued that during the construction of FPU hulls, the Chinese will not learn anything new, since no secret technologies are used there.

The first and second floating power units (FPU) should provide the first electricity to the Baimsky GOK in Chukotka in January 2027 just in time for the opening of production. There is no information yet on the third and fourth FPU. In total, the project provides for the construction of four floating nuclear power plants on RITM-200 reactors to supply power to the mining and processing plant. They will be located at Cape Nagluingyn. The project cost is 140 billion rubles.

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[faiver]

Wait a visit, but a Chinese shipyard cannot win a tender to build a dozen destroyers for the Russian Navy?

[Flooding]

Quote: faiver

Wait a visit, but a Chinese shipyard cannot win a tender to build a dozen destroyers for the Russian Navy?

exactly. I had the same question.
at the same time to feed the Chinese, since the Russian shipyards cannot cope.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Flood

since Russian shipyards fail.

And it's not destiny to build a shipyard?
Or does Russia not need ships in the future, and does not need long-term investments in its own economy?
Not only have we invested almost half of the gold reserves in the Chinese economy, we also provide jobs for Chinese workers at a time when cities in Russia are dying out due to lack of work.
But on TV, Putin and Sobyanin assure us that we cannot see development without migrants.
Who do they mean when they say "us"?

[faiver]

Who do they mean when they say "us"?

- well, it's kind of clear here

[Trapp1st]

But on TV, Putin and Sobyanin assure us that we cannot see development without migrants. Who do they mean when they say "us"?

[Revival]

"Or does Russia not need ships in the future, and does not need long-term investments in its own economy?"

Was the question rhetorical?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Who do they mean when they say "us"?

"For us" is for us, but not for you, you have your own destiny.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tihonmarine

For us "this is for us, but not for you, you have your own destiny.

Who do you have, Vlad?
What do you want to say?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Who do you have, Vlad?
What do you want to say?

For me, for you and for the majority, who are not included in the category "us".

[Ingvar 72]

It's clear. That's right, we are a different kind for them.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Flood

since Russian shipyards fail.

And it's not destiny to build a shipyard?
Or does Russia not need ships in the future, and does not need long-term investments in its own economy?
Not only have we invested almost half of the gold reserves in the Chinese economy, we also provide jobs for Chinese workers at a time when cities in Russia are dying out due to lack of work.
But on TV, Putin and Sobyanin assure us that we cannot see development without migrants.
Who do they mean when they say "us"?

Shipyards are under construction. Big ones. But it is necessary to build quickly, and a lot ... They do not have time. And empty landing stages are more profitable in China. For the price of metal, practically ...

[Saxahorse]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Shipyards are under construction. Big ones. But you need to build quickly, and a lot ...

And where and by whom exactly are they being built, you can clarify? We heard, for example, that the program "license for crabs" in the Far East hung in the air, they promised to issue a fishing license only to those who order a vessel at domestic shipyards. In total, 5 or 6 pieces have just been ordered and licenses have already been requested for 30 pieces .. there is nowhere to build and those ordered not earlier than in 5-6 years are promised to be given away.

By all indications, there is simply no capacity, no one wants to invest in factories. And the Soviet ones are already completely destroyed.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Shipyards are under construction. Big ones.

Where?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Where?

https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/novye_i_vozrozhdennye_verfi_rossii_chto_gde_i_kogda.html
Yes, that's it. Study. This is not counting the old ... Which are ALL loaded for many years to come.
But does it interfere with perception? Everything is lost? Or not really?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Yes, that's it. Study. This is not counting the old ...

These are already built (restored) shipyards.
You said, "They are under construction, and large ones." Do you feel the difference?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You said, "They are under construction, and large ones." Feel the difference

This is UNDER CONSTRUCTION. Again. Don't mislead the people.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This is UNDER CONSTRUCTION. Again. Don't mislead the people.

They are already working. Don't market it, Zhenya.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ingvar 72

They are already working. Do not market, Zhenya

A restored shipyard is not considered new? When it was closed. Isn't it all the same that she wasn't there ...? What is picked up quickly is not considered to be fallen? The shipyard in Petrozavodsk will begin construction this year - also does it count? The biggest "Star" in the Far East?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

A restored shipyard is not considered new?

The restored shipyard is not under construction.
Begins to build and build - different concepts. Did not know?
Is the "Star" still under construction?

[Disant]

of the new big ones - only the Star.
Pella bought one shipyard entirely in Germany.
Kerch pulled herself up.
in Finland, the shipyard was bought and sold - so as not to be covered with sanctions.
capacities are growing

[maratkoRuEkb]

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/139065/
The Kola shipyard is being built, more than the Star.

[Disant]

I insert a photo for you

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And empty landing stages are more profitable in China. For the price of metal, practically.

Europe has been following this path for a long time. Metal-consuming structures are relatively cheap, and a "stuffed" ship is already about 10 times more expensive,
and their shipyards are not loaded with the production of hulls.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: tihonmarine

Europe has been following this path for a long time. Metal-consuming structures are relatively cheap, and a "stuffed" ship is already about 10 times more expensive,
and their shipyards are not loaded with the production of hulls.

You read the news ?! Buildings 3 and 4 will be built at the Baltic plant, according to Chinese models. So much for Europe

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stirbjorn

You read the news ?! Buildings 3 and 4 will be built at the Baltic plant, according to Chinese models. So much for Europe

If possible, then why not. Everybody counts money differently.

[max702]

Well, what the "great USSR" and in the Finnish and in Poland and in Greece and Japan built, but Russia is not ... That's another thing, but you do not understand ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: max702

Well, what is the "great USSR" in the Finnish and in Poland?

There is still a large number in the GDR. Half of the fishing fleet is built in the GDA and Poland. All the shipyards of the USSR were inundated with orders, so they built, but the GDR and Poland were "their own". They built good ships, especially the Germans. As the USSR left, so the shipbuilding of these countries collapsed immediately. In Stralsund, they were completely demolished. And the Dutch also built, the Belgians, the French, and even the Yugoslavs with the Romanians. The state had to be kept in good shape, so they were building. And all from the state pocket.

[Agent cooper]

Before that, the first floating reactor was being built for more than 10 years, but here it is very fast and a lot. Oh, there is an excuse for everything from the Zatupins.

[Momento]

something I doubt that nuclear reactors are put on the landing stage)

[I am not a robot]

voshcheto Russia came out on the 2nd place in the world in the construction of ships and ships
so zvr in the Chinese or in the American economy are?
well, migrants are still needed, who, for example, will work as a janitor

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

so zvr in the Chinese or in the American economy are?

The Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank argue that yes, in the treasuries of the US, EU, and the main part in China.

Quote: Janerobot

well, migrants are still needed, who, for example, will work as a janitor

Take them to your home.
If our janitors begin to pay what they should, how much is included in the payment for housing and communal services receipts, then migrants will not be needed.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingvar 72

If our janitors begin to pay what they should, how much is included in the payment for housing and communal services receipts, then migrants will not be needed.

Previously, somehow they did without "other people's" wipers, and there was no shortage.

[Alexander I]

Surely there was no shortage? - there is a deficit in a deficit, there is a deficit in a deficit (there is a janitor in a sheepskin coat, carries sausage in toilet paper)

[your1970]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Ingvar 72

If our janitors begin to pay what they should, how much is included in the payment for housing and communal services receipts, then migrants will not be needed.

Previously, somehow they did without "other people's" wipers, and there was no shortage.

When did they manage? When was the "limit" ??? In Moscow, when they were born, local janitors did not work - starting with the tsars ...
ZIL was a third at the "limit" (guest workers) in the USSR ...
Haven't you heard?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Janerobot

who, for example, will work as a janitor

You!

[I am not a robot]

Why not you

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Janerobot

Why not you

It will be necessary for society and salary norms, I will go and a janitor. Wisdom is not great and is good for health.

[max702]

He gets the norms in the State Department ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stroporez

who, for example, will work as a janitor

You!

Democrats don't work as janitors.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tihonmarine

Democrats don't work as janitors.

Yeah, like they got it.
We had one in the parking lot, the garbage from him is the most, the bulls are different, jars, napkins, everyone took turns cleaned and the grass in the nearby was discarded and the trees were whitewashed, and he somehow looked down on it ..., well, my friend and I explained to him by workers and peasants, that, they say, or ... or pay the grandmother, and we will try for you
The second month is sore, he works off absenteeism and does not blather too much, and most importantly he himself has become a cleanliness to diarrhea.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stroporez

Yeah, like they got it.

So wag your tongue, don't wave a broom!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tihonmarine

So wag your tongue, don't wave a broom!

No wonder they call it a broomstick!

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And it's not destiny to build a shipyard?
Or does Russia not need ships in the future, and does not need long-term investments in its own economy?

Name the place of construction, and the cost of production in our climatic conditions)))
To date, all shipyards have been busy for years, and there are a lot of restrictions on them, based on geographic location.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ZEMCH

Name the place of construction, and the cost of production in our climatic conditions)))

Germans, Japanese, Norwegians, British, Swedes are building at a loss, and in ideal climatic conditions?
How did the USSR manage to build? Maybe the reason is not in the cost price and climate?

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Germans, Japanese, Norwegians, British, Swedes are building at a loss, and in ideal climatic conditions?
How did the USSR manage to build? Maybe the reason is not in the cost price and climate?

So we build, in those shipyards that remain to us. Ships of the first rank can build Yantar, Severnaya Verf and Baltic Shipyard. Plus the Gulf in Kerch, but everything needs to be restored there. From the St. Petersburg factories, we are limited by displacement and height due to the gas pipeline at the bottom of the bay and the ring road. And through the Bosphorus, the passage of aircraft carriers and ships with nuclear power plants is limited. In the Far East there is no metal and the production of power plants, it is many times more expensive to carry everything there.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ZEMCH

So we build, in those shipyards that are left to us

Which were not closed in the 90s and 2000s.

Quote: ZEMCH

There is no metal in the Far East

AMK, because of whose share Furgala was closed.

[ZEMCH]

There is no ship's list there in sufficient volume, they are only building. Even for the Star, sheet metal is not enough

[Ingvar 72]

People with DV are leaving. Fact. There is no work. Expansion of metal production can provide metal needs and jobs. A simple truth for a person with a state mindset.

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

A simple truth for a state-minded person

And the girls from the "Green Alternative" are running around screaming "It stinks in Chelyabinsk !!!!! There's nothing to breathe in Krasnoyarsk !!!"
What to do with them ????? Any metallurgical plant is, to put it mildly, amber

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: your1970

What to do with them ????? Any metallurgical plant is, to put it mildly, amber

Ie it is generally better not to build?

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: your1970

What to do with them ????? Any metallurgical plant is, to put it mildly, amber

Ie it is generally better not to build?

"Green Alternative" hits his chest with a cry: "We must leave clean air for children !!!" .....
Apparently, in their opinion, it is better not to build at all ..... Nothing .......
Such parties are found in our country.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: your1970

Such parties are found in our country.

They are found in any country, which for some reason does not interfere with their development.

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: your1970

Such parties are found in our country.

They are found in any country, which for some reason does not interfere with their development.

Yes Yes....
Only you have forgotten about green energy in Europe ... And Greta Thunberg, don't be remembered by nightfall
So they interfere, how they interfere

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: ZEMCH

There is no ship's list there in sufficient volume, they are only building. Even for the Star, sheet metal is not enough

It could be bought in the same China.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

It could be bought in the same China.

Their ship metal is not buzzing.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: tihonmarine

Their ship metal is not buzzing.

So what will they build from?
Or will it only be sold to them?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: ZEMCH

From the St. Petersburg factories, we are limited by displacement and height due to the gas pipeline at the bottom of the bay and the ring road.

Amber is not a St. Petersburg plant, the gas pipeline (if the connection is about Streams) stretches through the Leningrad region, the ring road does not interfere at all, but the WHSD and then icebreakers 22220, something does not interfere, but their displacement is no less

[Serj197930]

What do you mean does not interfere !? The Arctic almost to the butt passed under the bridge along the canal, 2 meters remained, there will be a surge of water from the bay, they will wait, the underbridge space is 52 m, the maximum height of the Arctic is 54 m.

[Vadim237]

The USSR ships floating docks and many other things abroad similarly built the same gantry crane for the Nikolaev shipyard where the aircraft carriers were built - they were ordered from Finland.

[Ingvar 72]

Vazhik, the USSR did not please you again? To compare quantitatively and qualitatively poorly? They built it, but these figures cannot be closely compared with what is happening today.
Under the Union, 7 thousand people worked at the Balashov Machine-Building Plant, today there are two, a director and an accountant. 120.000 people worked at VAZ, today about 40.000.
Your power Vadik, in pursuit of profit, completely forgot about people.

[Vadim237]

We no longer have a closed planned distribution economy - an open market with competition and in it, without taking into account world trends, anywhere without profit, since without it there will be no development for free, and no one will work.
Under the Union, 7 thousand people worked at the Balashov Machine-Building Plant, today there are two, a director and an accountant. 120.000 people worked at VAZ, today about 40.000. - So many people in production already fucking do not need hello to automation and robotization, as well as to new machine tools and technical processes - progress does not stand still and Russia and the whole world produce exactly so much that they buy and are ready to buy - and engage in overproduction - it is a minus ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

So many people in production already fucking don't need hello automation and robotization

You are not a far-off person, Vadik. There were more robots and automation at VAZ under the Union than now, and this is at this stage in the development of scientific and technological progress. Nobody works at BMZ now. You lack the power of your processor to at least try to estimate the production of the product. At BMZ its zero. The only type of activity is the renting of premises.
And about the uselessness of people in production - you need it in China.

[Vadim237]

There were more robots and automation at the VAZ under the Union of robots and automation than now - yeah, fantasize more. Nobody works at BMZ now. I didn't say anything about him. And about the uselessness of people in production - you need it in China. I don’t need to go there all the production, mainly foreign, working for the whole world since the 70s as equipment, documentation, as well as hybrids and copying of local production.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

Yeah fantasize more

You have fantasies, Vadik. Medication or not, I don't know, but fantasies for sure. I worked at VAZ in the late 80s, was there in the 90s, and was recently.
It has become cleaner, but now there is more manual labor.

Quote: Vadim237

all production there are mostly foreign

Wake up, Vadik - all telecom operators use Huawei equipment, and Xiaomi takes 17% of the global gadget market. All processors have been Chinese for a long time.
You are raving about Kiselevsko-Solovyov's dreams, with Pronko's booming sound from Ren TV.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim237

USSR ships floating docks and much more abroad were similarly built

In 1987, the Finns built a unique vessel for the DVK, which took over the supports for the towers, then they pumped out the ballast and the deck went into the water and the tug pulled off the supports from it, plus a 1600 ton crane on the hook.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ZEMCH

To date, all shipyards have been busy for years, and there are a lot of restrictions on them, based on geographic location.

He worked for Harlingen (a small port in the Netherlands), the company rented 180 m. Of the berth and two premises on the berth, in one a warehouse, in the other a change house and a room for a scanty number of engineers. All accessories came straight from the wheels, loaded onto the ship's hull, made in Romania by a lift lift. After five months, the ship raised the flag. And I saw this in other ports too.

[Vasia]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And it's not destiny to build a shipyard?
Or does Russia not need ships in the future, and does not need long-term investments in its own economy?

In 2020, Russia ranked second after South Korea in terms of the volume of ships of various classes built and launched (28% of the global volume of all orders). Not enough for you? This is catching up, in the future such volumes will no longer be needed. Do you propose to build a shipyard, then abandon them? If the Chinese can be cheaper and faster - why not?

Not only was almost half of the gold reserves invested in the Chinese economy,

Share the source?

[yang174]

Go to the website of the Central Bank and look where and what the reserves are located in. And how much did Google lose because of the exchange rate difference and the fall of the yuan when transferring from the green to the yuan. Hands were torn off in the war?

[Agent cooper]

There is no need to whistle, in terms of tonnage, China, South Korea and Japan are always in the top three. Russia is not and never will be if, apart from welding the bow to the South Korean tankers, they do not attend to the development of their own technologies.

[Vasia]

Quote: Agent Cooper

There is no need to whistle, in terms of tonnage, China, South Korea and Japan are always in the top three.

Will you give me a link to a serious source, whistler? I can confirm my information with a bunch of links.

[Agent cooper]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263895/shipbuilding-nations-worldwide-by-cgt/

[Albert1988]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And it's not destiny to build a shipyard?

So in the process ... On the same Far East, but until they are completed, the ships need to be built somewhere, but the current ones are not enough.

[bayard]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And it's not destiny to build a shipyard?

That is, there is no shipyard for the ships, only the first two have been installed, but not one has yet been tested on the move. If the problems with the power plant are solved, then construction can be done in St. Petersburg and in Kaliningrad. And with a special desire, both in the Kerch "Zaliv", and at the Amur plant - there destroyers were built before, slipways and slipways are suitable for both frigates and frigate destroyers 22350.

In China, it would be nice to order about eight frigates type. 054 - with cases, for our hardware and weapon filling. For the Pacific Fleet, otherwise he is completely naked, and the turn for the Baltic frigates will not reach soon. Put on them a GAK from 20380, an air defense system from 22350, and weapons from it. For actions in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Sea of ​​Japan and in the region of the Kuril ridge - the very thing will be. There, the seaworthiness of 20380 will not be enough. And autonomy.
There were rumors that negotiations were underway since 2015, but then everything fell apart - China joined the sanctions. Now it seems like times have changed, it would be possible to renew the order (it was about 8 frigates 054A and 2 UDC o71).

[alex neym_2]

We can do everything, but from the side of the economy: drag the NUCLEAR REACTOR THROUGH THE PIG-IRON THROUGH ALL RUSSIA? YES AND NOT ONE STILL! I am not a Japanese who built a nuclear power plant on a volcano ... Time will give - and the shipyards will be on the shores of the Pacific Ocean ...

[Nastia makarova]

read the article ??? nobody will transport reactors !!! they will be downloaded in St. Petersburg

[Rage66]

And what is the question related to?
They don't seem to build destroyers ...

[faiver]

They don't seem to build destroyers ...

- those who don't build destroyers is Russia, and China molds them like hot cakes

[loki565]

Wait a visit, but a Chinese shipyard cannot win a tender to build a dozen destroyers for the Russian Navy?

And there already one cannot do without weapons and secret technologies, and the hulls for nuclear power plants are essentially large barges without filling.

[faiver]

Come on, they put everything Chinese, we will survive like a thread ...

[Vadim237]

The Chinese have nothing to put on - Russia supplies them with everything they need for atomic energy.

[faiver]

I'm not writing about nuclear power plants, but about destroyers ...

[evgen1221]

Well, the Mistrals in the country of NATO did not prevent us from building, and they somehow shaken them with weapons, and I hope with bookmarks too. What prevents esms in China from ordering then.

[Borik]

We build two buildings in China and then drive them to the Baltic, install the filling there and again drive the buildings to the Far East, and it looks like a round-the-world trip. Is it impossible to mount the filling in Vladik.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Borik

But it’s impossible to mount the filling in Vladik.

How do you imagine it?

[Brturin]

Quote: Borik

But it’s impossible to mount the filling in Vladik.

and the filling is specific - the rector and the turbine, they will have to be led to "Vladik" + specialists in welding reactor equipment, here a special permit is needed, also to conduct ... in the Baltic with this equipment, icebreakers have already "filled their hand", but here .. ...

[Saxahorse]

Quote: BrTurin

they will have to lead to "Vladik"

Where to get it from? If from Chelyabinsk there it may be easier to go straight to the Far East than to make two circles around the world ..

[Brturin]

if we take Akademik Lomonosov, then Nizhny Novgorod reactors, steam turbine plants - Kaluga Turbine Plant, generators of St. Petersburg Electrosila ... Specific equipment and for the sake of five blocks to build factories in another city ... If, as they wrote, the choice of nuclear power supply is a prospect series of such blocks, including for export ...

- NOVATEK had an alternative project to supply Baimka based on LNG stations. What is the advantage of FPUs over LNG? - Localization of our project - over 85%. We must not forget that within the framework of the project, a domestic serial product is being created that is ahead of our competitors in the world arena. In addition, and most importantly, we have offered competitive terms for the supply of electricity. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4928696

And if this series passes, then for mother Siberia the factories will be very useful ... where he was born there and came in handy ... yes, Asia, like a market, is close by ...

[Disant]

Where to get it from?

reactors - aren't they Izhora plants? - loaded onto barges and transported through the canals to Severodvinsk, to the White Sea. Chinese barzhoz orders are also being transported there.
there everything is collected and sent along the Northern Sea Route to the East Siberian Sea, to the place of work.
No Chelyabinsk, Europe and the Far East. I think so

[yang174]

there is an enterprise on Yeniseiskaya street - "Konor" there are not kanesh reactors, but I personally saw a carabble screw with a module in the workshop

[VicktorVR]

Or maybe Conar? :)

[yang174]

fundamentally? even if you made a mistake in one letter

[Brturin]

Quote: Disant

Is it not the Izhora Plants?

Two nuclear reactors were developed at the II Afrikantov OKBM (Nizhny Novgorod) and manufactured at the Nizhny Novgorod Machine-Building Plant.
https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2410208.html

there are specialists for such reactors - https://topwar.ru/145306-v-rossii-sozdan-vechnyy-reaktor-dlya-atomnyh-podvodnyh-lodok.html

Quote: Disant

No Chelyabinsk, Europe and the Far East. I think so

As for Europe, in the same Czech Republic there are two enterprises Skoda Nuclear Technologies ŠKODA JS (United Machine Building Plants) and ARAKO (Rosatom - Atomenergomash) - what the Czechs are doing ... ) for me, the orders that go to these plants would be better left in Russia ... where to place them ... Chelyabinsk, Dv. East...

[Disant]

it's good when reactors are made in several places at once ..

As for Europe, in the same Czech Republic there are two enterprises Skoda Nuclear Technologies ŠKODA JS (United Machine Building Plants) and ARAKO (Rosatom - Atomenergomash) - what the Czechs are doing ... ) for me, the orders that go to these plants would be better left in Russia ... where to place them ... Chelyabinsk, Dv. East...

discussed the assembly route for new floating power plants ...
.
By the way, a new metallurgical plant is being built at the Far East in Bolshoy Kamen, and ship steel will be produced. so in the route of future future floating nuclear power plants, China is minus, and DV +, as you ordered)))
.

but in Europe it is unlikely that we will be allowed to build new nuclear power plants

but where will they go)))))) Yes, some of the machinery will be Czech - this is logical (yes, and there you need to look at the owners), everything else will be from "pure" Rosatom. The construction of a nuclear power plant for 2028-29 has begun somewhere, Czech politicians are playing their game, and without much publicity, a gas pipe was pulled through the country for sp2 - and on TV - just for show. so it will be with the nuclear power plant.
they are just calm and methodical knock out tanks count money.
.
I cannot comment on the monument to Konev - only as stupidity. and it will be counted

[Brturin]

Quote: Disant

The construction of a nuclear power plant for 2028-29 is somewhere in the beginning

let's see ... while the neighbors decided to put their hopes on Westinghouse, maybe these ...
Bulgarians - “During the negotiations, they said that they did not plan to offer their AP-1000 reactor to Bulgaria, but would support the idea of ​​using the equipment supplied within the Belene project,” Temenuzhka Petkova said at a government meeting. She added that Westinghouse will carry out the project with existing equipment and, for example, provide security systems.
More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/01/22/ssha-za-bolgariya-reshila-stroit-rossiysko-amerikanskiy-atomnyy-reaktor
Poles - “2033 is a realistic date, but everything depends on the decision of the Polish government. Technology matters. We have six nuclear reactors: four operational and two more under construction. We shouldn't change their design. This can significantly affect the schedule. We have the safest reactor with a completely passive safety system. It is a simpler solution, more efficient, and a record record in China, ”said Westinghouse President.
More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/05/25/westinghouse-postroim-aes-v-polshe-v-srok-esli-produbliruem-kitayskiy-proekt
and the Ukrainians and Poles want 6 there, so far there is a memorandum of 5 - “Westinghouse Electric Company and Energoatom signed an exclusive agreement on the supply of Westinghouse AP1000® reactors to several sites in Ukraine,” the company said in a statement. Westinghouse
More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/09/03/yadernye-reaktory-ssha-na-ukraine-snesti-i-postroit - here as they write two questions - the Canadian owners of Westinghouse are categorically against the general contract, so exactly how the previous owner of Toshiba got burned on this. “Therefore, Westinghouse will now go either in a consortium with someone like Shaw, or in general, as it tried to do in India and Bulgaria, it will offer to buy the technology and build it ourselves,” the expert says. Ukraine and he was told: "We will consider the possibility of our participation in the project, if Ukraine itself can attract the necessary investments."

[max702]

Geography is a pseudoscience !! The earth is flat! And so on ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: BrTurin

and the filling is specific - the rector and the turbine, they will have to be led to "Vladik" + specialists in the welding of reactor equipment,

Is it impossible to organize production in the Far East? Or the words of the GDP about the need to develop the Far East ordinary chatter?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Is it impossible to organize production in the Far East? Or the words of the GDP about the need to develop the Far East ordinary chatter?

Chatter, this is when a child is required to give birth a month after conception ... The development of DV and investment in it is a fact ... And to demand an immediate result is chatter.

[yang174]

What did they put in there? People run into the interior of the mainland from the Far East, they put it there, and did not put it in. However, as elsewhere

[Vadim237]

So at the last WEF they agreed on investments in the Far East in the amount of 11 trillion rubles. The only problem is that people do not want to go there to live in view of the harsh natural conditions.

[faiver]

the only problem is that people do not want to go there to live in view of the harsh natural conditions.

- and did you try to pay again? Under the USSR, they paid allowances, coefficients, fare, and so on, and the difference between the center of the country and its harsh outskirts was felt, but now why freeze the fifth point in Yakutia or Transbaikalia, when you can earn the same money in Moscow, St. where it is much warmer ..

[Vadim237]

All the same, there will not be many who wish.

[faiver]

So for this there is someone to say thank you - Moscow, the Kremlin ...

[Disant]

what have they invested in? people run inland

yes the same shipyard Zvezda + new city
yes these same floating nuclear power plants
!! BAM the second branch is being built by the whole world
Power of Siberia + new production centers + gasification
Cosmodrome + new city
Amur Gas Processing Plant
about 20 territories of advanced development
this is just what immediately comes to mind
+11 trillion from Vadim237

[yang174]

aaaa..about the floating nuclear power plants ordered in China are we talking about? . just gathered to highlight what they will allocate if they allocate it is a big question. to promise does not mean to marry. Have the stars visited the site at least once? I've been looking for a welder's vacancies there, no sense, everything is sad. a bunch of people, both physicists and legal entities. you can read the comments on the net. well, what else comes to mind?

[Nastia makarova]

and who ordered floating nuclear power plants in china ????

[Disant]

floating nuclear power plants ordered in china are

Yes. only hulls in China, since in Russia all shipyards are packed with orders.
.

BAM is being built with a salary of 30 thousand rubles a month (the same vacancies are available on the network who is recruiting at BAM Russian Railways) + military builders?

yes, BAM is under construction. I commented about attachments. BAM is an investment.
on salaries - higher The professor posted a video from YouTube, they interview builders there - специалисты from St. Petersburg came and Yaroslavl (those who had time to ask).
.

TOP-mainly China rented

these are taxes on the Far East economy.
.

11 trillion just gathered to allocate, what will be allocated if allocated - a big question

the main question - is there money? and they Yes
further a matter of control
.

Have the stars visited the site at least once? I've been looking for a welder's vacancies there, zero sense, everything is sad.

so call. maybe everything is already taken.
.

GPP only costs

Amur
The first production line was launched in June 2021.
In September 2021, the second technological line of the plant and the first of three helium plants began operation. In parallel with them, the world's largest logistics center for servicing helium containers (hub) was put into operation in Vladivostok.
https://www.gazprom.ru/projects/amur-gpp/
.
Us-Luga GPP
The commissioning of the first stage of the complex is scheduled for the 4th quarter of 2023, the second stage - for the 4th quarter of 2024.
https://www.gazprom.ru/projects/lng-leningrad/
.
ps in Bolshoy Kamen, next to the Star, a metallurgical plant will be built. Decision is made
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4195600.html
together with him, they will pull up the volumes of construction of all coastal and other Far Eastern shipyards along the Amur with their iron - so call

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Chatter, this is when a child is required to give birth a month after conception ...

Chatter, this is when a man does not answer for words. Did not know?

[loki565]

Well, the Mistrals in the country of NATO did not prevent us from building, and they somehow shaken them with weapons, and I hope with bookmarks too. What prevents esms in China from ordering then.

Without weapons and half of the body. But in fact, a ready-made project and production technologies were needed, plus two more were supposed to be built entirely on the territory of the Russian Federation, now they are going to build a modernized version in Crimea

[bayard]

Quote: loki565

now they are going to build a modernized version in Crimea

It has been more than a year how they should be building ... only there are no reports from there, no photo report on the degree of work carried out ... Maybe they are building ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: faiver

Wait a visit, but a Chinese shipyard cannot win a tender to build a dozen destroyers for the Russian Navy?

And it’s time to hold such competitions more often on the territory of the Russian Federation between Russian oligarchs and Chinese contractors. Those undertake to build faster and cheaper than homebrews. You can test it on the construction of a bridge across the Lena (for example) or somewhere closer (a section of a high-speed railway in Siberia) ...
It will not be worse...

[faiver]

Can be experienced during the construction of a bridge over the Lena

- so they were going to build ..., before 2014, and then the Crimea happened and the bridge over the Lena left, now here again these dances with the bridge on a new

[Vadim237]

"As of May 24, 2021, work on the construction of the bridge over the Lena River in Yakutsk has begun." The one that there is no dance is construction.

[faiver]

Uhaha, am I blind or what? I live and don't know that a bridge is already being built in my city ...
I have to upset you that there are still financial difficulties with the bridge and there is no construction yet ...

[Vadim237]

The territory is being prepared.

[faiver]

This territory has been prepared all my life, as long as I can remember myself, and there is talk about the bridge, both in the USSR and in the Russian Federation. I wrote in Russian and white - the issue of financing has not yet been resolved.

[Vadim237]

Everything has already been decided, now work is underway on the roads to the construction site
Yakutsk, 15.09.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX. The section of the road from the village of Tabaga (part of the Yakutsk urban district) to Yakutsk is planned to be made four-lane in connection with the project of an automobile bridge across the Lena River. This was announced on Wednesday at a press conference by the head of Yakutia Aisen Nikolaev.

The bridge across the Lena should go from the village of Staraya Tabaga (located near the village of Tabaga) to the village of Khaptagai, Megino-Kangalassky district.

“In the city of Yakutsk, in connection with the construction of the Lena bridge, we must make the road from Tabaga to Yakutsk a four-lane, double-widen it. This should happen in the near future. work is underway, "- said Nikolaev.

As TASS specified in the press service of the regional Ministry of Transport, work is envisaged on the 11-28 km section of the Umnas regional road, as well as at the entrance to the village of Tabaga and the section from 11 km of the Umnas highway to the DSK microdistrict in Yakutsk.

The bridge will make it possible to create a transport and logistics hub in Yakutsk, where several federal routes will converge: railway, river and aviation, as well as federal highways "Vilyui", "Lena" and "Kolyma". The opening of the bridge is expected to triple the region's freight traffic, up to 6 million tons per year. According to preliminary estimates, the total length of the three-pylon two-lane cable-stayed bridge will exceed 3 km, and the length of the approaches will be about 11 km.

[Overlock]

Quote: ROSS 42

It will not be worse...

It won't get any worse, but where will the margin be? Clearly past the pockets of the COOP

[Sling cutter]

Quote: ROSS 42

And it’s time to hold such competitions more often on the territory of the Russian Federation between Russian oligarchs and Chinese contractors.

It is better to exclude from our competitions altogether, otherwise they will still steal.
And there and then a lot of officials will be freed from excessive cuts, the number of LLCs for wives and children will be reduced, in general there are some pluses.

[max702]

Well, for example, we had to build the Power of Siberia at home, and at home, China. So we did everything in time and did everything right, but China delayed the delivery of its site for six months .. And who should teach whom? Despite the fact that the Chinese have no experience of construction in the conditions of Yakutia ..

[Overlock]

Quote: faiver

Wait a visit, but a Chinese shipyard cannot win a tender to build a dozen destroyers for the Russian Navy?

This is a test of strength. If done successfully, it may very well be.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: faiver

Wait a visit, but a Chinese shipyard cannot win a tender to build a dozen destroyers for the Russian Navy?

Honestly, the tenders for the construction of roads should also be given to the Chinese instead of the Armenians!
Firstly, cheaper, secondly, better quality, and thirdly, there is someone to ask.

[alch3mist]

Honestly, the tenders for the construction of roads should also be given to the Chinese instead of the Armenians!

We have not only Armenians, even Kurds are building roads in our country (with an understandable result)

[Reklastik]

They have been asking their press for a long time why the Russians do not order the construction of ships from them? After all, the Russians do everything so slowly ...

[Vadim237]

We build civilian ships quickly, while the military is more difficult.

[Flooding]

the Chinese shipyard was chosen due to the reluctance to disrupt the deadlines and increase the cost of the project as a whole, especially since the capacities of the Baltic Shipyard, where these hulls could be built, are loaded with the construction of four icebreakers

I beg your pardon, was it a secret at the time of signing the contract?
whatever one may say, but we are talking about the buildings of the nuclear power plant. even floating.

[Rage66]

Eeeeee, what's next?

[Flooding]

Quote: Rage66

Eeeeee, what's next?

formulate the question more clearly

[Rage66]

Your provocateur question ...
Pop Gopon ..
It is not formulated ..
What do you need from me. Tell me exactly.

[Flooding]

Quote: Rage66

Your provocateur question ...
Pop Gopon ..
It is not formulated ..
What do you need from me. Tell me exactly.

I didn't ask any questions, evil-speaking citizen

[Rage66]

Quote: Flood

I didn't ask any questions, evil-speaking citizen

Provocateur)

[Flooding]

Quote: Rage66

Provocateur)

you can foam and drool
cheap chatter has not penetrated me for a long time
immunity

[Rage66]

Quote: Flood

you can foam and drool
cheap chatter has not penetrated me for a long time
immunity

This is very funny )

[Rage66]

You are silly ..)
are you aware?)

[Flooding]

Quote: Rage66

You are silly ..)
are you aware?)

when an openly ill-mannered and narrow-minded person calls me stupid, then I can be firmly convinced that everything is fine with me

[Rage66]

Quote: Flood

When an openly ill-mannered and narrow-minded person calls me stupid, then I can be firmly sure

Patients are always confident in everything. )

[Rage66]

Quote: Flood

formulate the question more clearly

It's not a question?)))

[Flooding]

Quote: Rage66

It's not a question?)))

obviously not
are you at such a tender age that you cannot distinguish a question from a request?
now I asked a question

[Rage66]

You can ask the duck to clean it.

[Flooding]

Quote: Rage66

You can ask the duck to clean it.

let it look wild
but if it pleases you, then I ask you: please remove the duck

[Disant]

Was it a secret at the time of signing the contract?

well, these floating power plants will go under частный a project with Kazakh roots.
just apparently only fused one with the other.

[Bear]

An excellent example of a balanced and reasonable approach to accomplishing the task in the shortest possible time and at the lowest cost. International cooperation at its best.

[pyagomail.com]

Now comrades will come running with three themes: 1. We must build ourselves, load our shipyards; 2. Here! We have lost all technologies - we cannot even build a simple building ourselves; 3. Well yes! To give to your own - it will come out a lot more expensive, because you cannot do without kickbacks and bribes.

[KCA]

In fact, they built the building for the first floating nuclear power plant, it says, "The Baltic Shipyard is loaded with the construction of four icebreakers", why wait until they are built and then, in spite of the Chinese, will break all the deadlines? Rollbacks? The customer of the PAES is a private company, go ask for a kickback

[Disant]

Customer PAES private company

a little bit wrong.
state-owned floating power plants will generate electricity to support the operation of a private company in the Far North.
further only money and electronic exchange. everything is fair

[KCA]

I just saw that the customer was LLC, I did not track the whole story of the contract

[loki565]

Now comrades will come running with three themes: 1. We must build ourselves, load our shipyards; 2. Here! We have lost all technologies - we cannot even build a simple building ourselves; 3. Well yes! To give to your own - it will come out a lot more expensive, because you cannot do without kickbacks and bribes.

Yes))) the same infamous PD 50 was also built by foreign countries, although in the USSR everything was normal with shipbuilding.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

To give to your own - it will be much more expensive, because you cannot do without kickbacks and bribes.

Do you know that a wife is more expensive than a prostitute?
And in terms of bribes - in China, for example, the problem is being solved cheaply and successfully.

[I am not a robot]

on bribes it is not solved in any way in China, every year they are shot and every time new corruptionists appear

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

on bribes in any way it is not solved in China,

The level of corruption is lower than ours.
Do you have information on how things would have been with bribes without executions? Do you want to look into history?

[I am not a robot]

Well, for example, I don’t know whether there is corruption below or not, but how do you know which is below
I don't know how things would have been with bribes without executions, I just wrote that they shoot every year

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

Well, for example, I don’t know whether there is corruption below or not, but how do you know which is below

Banned on Google? Russia 129, China 78th. Moreover, the lower the number, the lower the level of corruption.
https://nonews.co/directory/lists/countries/corruption

[I am not a robot]

Well, you can count, for example, how many goods are sold, but how to count the number of bribes in each country.

[loki565]

Well, you can count, for example, how many goods are sold, but how to count the number of bribes in each country.

It is very simple who finances such offices is the one who believes, though in his own favor, for example, replacing such a thing as corruption with lobbying of interests)))

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Janerobot

Well, for example, I don’t know whether there is corruption below or not, but how do you know which is below

Banned on Google? Russia 129, China 78th. Moreover, the lower the number, the lower the level of corruption.
https://nonews.co/directory/lists/countries/corruption

Do you seriously believe in this rating ???? Well, you seem to be a serious person ...
Well, God bless her with New Zealand ...
But there in front of us is Ukraine (with a canopy and its fence) and half of Africa (where - who came with a machine gun is the power today !!) ...
Are you seriously- that there is less corruption ?????

In quiet, respectable sleepy Germany - the number of corruption cases grew from 7000 in 2009 to 26 in 000..
Already about the United States, I am silent - the admirals received their grandmothers by receiving sex services during a five-day orgy in honor of the bicentennial of some of their admirals ...
The Pentagon bought sewer pipes for posts in Afghanistan at ....... 198 dollars per meter !!! Despite the fact that in Pakistan they are sold at $ 0.9 per meter ...
Well, in between cases for 8trl, the Pentagon cannot report at all (even with fake papers about the price of sewer pipes)

[Revival]

I understand that you have no objections to all three points you have voiced?))

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

Comrades with three themes will now come running:

And, unfortunately, they will be right ...

[Overlock]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

Now comrades will come running with three themes: 1. We must build ourselves, load our shipyards; 2. Here! We have lost all technologies - we cannot even build a simple building ourselves; 3. Well yes! To give to your own - it will come out a lot more expensive, because you cannot do without kickbacks and bribes.

Fair!
1. Of course you need to build at your shipyards, but do they exist and how long will they do? Ours build a corvette in the same time frame as the Americans an aircraft carrier
2.the technology is really lost, no doubt
3. and rightly so. How many times has the cost of repairing the TARK "Kuznetsov" changed?

[Vadim237]

Technologies are really lost, no doubt "- What the fuck technologies are lost. Russia is currently building all classes of ships, from boats to nuclear-powered icebreakers, helicopter carriers and hulls for floating power plants, two of them have already been built-in schizoid nonsense, finish about some lost technologies.

[Disant]

Finish nonsense about some lost technology.

- block construction technologies
- digitalization of projects.
.
yes, not lost - they never existed before. need to catch up

[Vadim237]

"Digitalization of projects" - It has been introduced in all mechanical engineering for more than 10 years.

[Disant]

but the silt does not fly yet. how they will do it, but on their software - then it will be possible to say - it is implemented in everything.
the same applies to all other mechanical engineering.

[Sands Careers General]

Normal trade. We give them, they give us.
Since it should be in the world, and shitting with sanctions is like some kind of star-striped territory, it's like swimming in a pool with crocodiles.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Normal trade. We give them, they give us.

We give them free resources, and they give us finished products. It is "normal" to trade with the natives, and with the colonies.

[Sands Careers General]

Free? Our resources cost money. And not small, China pays.
Do not be like stupid liberals who shout at every corner that China will soon take Siberia away and similar nonsense.

[yang174]

ships ply ... in Chelyabinsk nails and screws from China !! Chinese nails in Chelyabinsk Karl!

[out of habit]

Like nails, we have Chinese toothpicks, and from our own birch.

[yang174]

out, the sandy general doesn’t care about the bell tower ... China has already captured Siberia, leased for 49 years, and he has at least a stake on his head.
someone minus, you see, just shit)))

[out of habit]

If this is important to you, I pressed two pluses.

[yang174]

Yes, it doesn't matter, usually you look at the ratings to understand whether the person agrees with you or not. And I wrote just a fact, in Chelyabinsk, where there is a lot of metallurgy, they sell nails from China. I'm from Chelyabinsk, a local

[I am not a robot]

you can show the document about the lease of Siberia

[yang174]

googled about TOPs and rent. Why do you need the ffs docks?

[I am not a robot]

so they are Chinese all over the world, cheaper and in quantity no one else can do

[yang174]

economy geography to help, topic - backing.
you would not be embarrassed, so that the Chinese sell olive oil to the Italians, or the Greeks

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Free? Our resources cost money

Our citizens pay more for electricity than China buys.
The price of the contract for gas supplied via the Power of Siberia, "our" government is bashfully silent, hiding behind a commercial secret. At a time when the price of gas for other countries is publicly available.

[d1975]

My family is resting in Abkhazia, so this is this year. Water 800 rubles per year, 40 kopecks kW

[I am not a robot]

about 6 rubles / kW in China, 2,68 rubles / kW in Russia (Saratov region) - it's cheaper with us

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

2,68 rubles / kW in Russia (Saratov region)

Again twenty-five - the town of Mezhdurechensk, there is no gas in the private sector, the cost of electricity is 4,4 rubles / kW. It is 20 km. from the Zhigulevskaya hydroelectric power station.
In China - 6 rubles is the average price, which is more expensive for enterprises, cheaper for the population. As a result, taking into account transportation for thousands of kilometers. an ordinary Chinese person pays the same maximum.

[I am not a robot]

well, we got an average 3,5 rubles, it's cheaper than in China it turns out

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

well, we got an average 3,5 rubles, it's cheaper than in China it turns out

Add the industry price to the averages and multiply by the volumes. And it will come out no cheaper than the average in China.

[I am not a robot]

"Our citizens pay more for electricity than China buys." I answered this, and the industry is here, volumes

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

Our citizens pay more for electricity than China buys

If you run into the letter of what has been said, then our citizens really buy kW more than China buys. Easy to check for price in contracts.

[I am not a robot]

yes, not where I am not resting, I just pointed out that you are wrong when you wrote that the Chinese flesh less

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

yes, not where I am not resting, I just indicated that you are wrong

Resist. For I said

Quote: Ingvar 72

Our citizens pay more for electricity than China buys.

China buys (!) KW much cheaper than 3,5 rubles.
As a basis, you take the average price for consumers in China, while we take tariffs for the population, and these are different values.
You are a swindler, my friend!

[I am not a robot]

well then you're right, but it's strange to somehow compare wholesale prices with retail

"The prices at which electricity goes to the Russian population are higher - since on the way to the retail consumer, the current passes through a dozen transformations; first from the station buses, then through high-voltage transformers and finally through a 10/380 transformer. In addition, a significant part of electricity during transmission and transformation is spent on technical losses. the line from the station bus to the transformer in China - that's all. The rest of the costs are already borne by the Chinese side. "

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

well then you're right, but it's strange to somehow compare wholesale prices with retail

It is no less strange to calculate in one case the average indicator, which includes tariffs for industrial enterprises, and in the other, to calculate only prices for the population.
Are you sure you're not a robot?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Janerobot

When shipping to China, it is enough to throw one line from the station bus to the transformer in China - and that's it. The rest of the costs are already borne by the Chinese side. "

And here your information is closer to the truth. If the data on the volume and prices for the export of electricity by RuStat are classified, then this information is available:
https://ampravda.ru/2019/11/28/092536.html

[Sands Careers General]

Ingvar 72
The price of the contract for gas supplied via the Power of Siberia, "our" government is bashfully silent.

Of course. Because Ingvar was banned on Google and the government is afraid of him))
Googling information is elementary. How and how much China pays us.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Googling information is elementary. How and how much China pays us.

Well, tell me then the link to the contract. Since it's so elementary.

[Vadim237]

"In the second quarter of 2020, the cost of natural gas supplies from Russia to China via the Power of Siberia amounted to $ 183 per thousand m3." Now prices are above $ 200 per 1000 cubic meters

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

In the second quarter of 2020, the cost of natural gas supplies from Russia to China via the Power of Siberia amounted to $ 183 per thousand m3. "

Link to the source?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Do not be like stupid liberals who shout at every corner that China will soon take Siberia away and similar nonsense.

They will not take Siberia and the Far East. They will settle there and then elect their governor ...

[I am not a robot]

they cannot even populate their northern territories, how then they will populate Siberia

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Janerobot

they cannot even populate their northern territories, how then they will populate Siberia

They are right about the degradation of education ...
Especially for you, I want to draw your attention to the geographical map of China:

and determine the places of comfortable living for a person.
The Gobi Desert, Khingan are not such. And this is how the population is distributed over the territory of China:

You can compare the geography of Siberia with the geography of the Chinese area, where these 6% of the population live. You can go and live in the desert or mountains, then you will understand why they don't build cities there and live in small settlements ...

[Flooding]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Free? Our resources cost money. And not small, China pays.

how much is the taiga?
Ingvar wrote everything correctly 72
Russia gets a minimum of surplus value
only the cost of raw materials, which is sometimes very difficult to measure in green paper

[Disant]

Ingvar wrote everything correctly 72

in the forest - since the 22nd year the screws have been tightened - processing plants will be built on site. the export of round timber should be prohibited.
electricity - why would the Chinese drive it inland? used at the place of receipt, at the border, and received from the depths of the country - will be left in place

[Overlock]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Normal trade. We give them, they give us.

Of course! we give them gas and oil at depming prices, they don't give a damn to us.

[Piramidon]

the Chinese shipyard was chosen due to the unwillingness to disrupt the deadlines and increase the cost of the project as a whole, especially since the capacities of the Baltic Shipyard, where these hulls could be built, are loaded with the construction of four icebreakers.

In principle, the decision is correct. If your capacity is not enough, you need to order. Considering the fact that PAES are not such strategic devices and it is not reasonable to build them infringing on defense programs, all the more so as:

"At the same time, it is argued that the Chinese will not learn anything new during the construction of FPU hulls, since no secret technologies are used there."

[Graz]

in fact, the nuclear power plant is a government order. Is it possible to predict and implement the development of Russian shipyards in accordance with the state order? Why is no one responsible for this? and orders go abroad, and there you have to pay in currency. in one word BARDAK !!!

[faiver]

Why is nobody responsible for this?

- for the first time or what?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Graz

in fact, the nuclear power plant is a government order. Is it possible to predict and implement the development of Russian shipyards in accordance with the state order? Why is no one responsible for this? and orders go abroad, and there you have to pay in currency. in one word BARDAK !!!

Their enterprises are being built. But if your own shipyards are not enough at this MOMENT, you need to wait until they are built? It is not possible to instantly restore what was destroyed by the democrats ruled by the West with your exclamation marks. You can shout about the "mess" and about "now if Stalin was alive", "now if Beria ...", but we have what we have. CAPITALISM, eat it at the root. And all your screams are nothing more than shaking of air and keyboard.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Piramidon

Their enterprises are being built.

What?

[yang174]

do you remember Vadim was here, 623 in my opinion. in that case, everything is being done and everything is being built. to see it was cloned

[Vadim237]

Unlike you, I have fucking snotty and whiners about and without a reason - everything works and people are busy with business, everyone in their field, no one stands still, everything moves, everything develops for someone more, someone less, but you are like everything stood still and stands - life sucks.

[yang174]

what kind of people and what business are they busy with? open your eyes. there are about ten million unemployed in the country according to the official data. why do you move there? open your eyes and compare what you have on paper and what you have in real life. about the bridge over Lena you have already written above your links have been refuted more than once

[yang174]

I refuted your references to a power tool .. and an investment project for 1000 heads of cattle))) in a month))) did you start it then?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Piramidon

Do you have the Internet only for your comments on the topic - "everything is lost", "everything is stolen"?

So I look at the Zaputins, and every time I am amazed - why are you paid for, for complete incompetence? You simply cannot list me a list of shipyards under construction, but stupidly cite Wikipedia, which indicates long-standing, and even two CLOSED shipyards.
You yourself have loudly and pompously declared about the enterprises under construction, no? Urya our all, gentlemen "guardians"?

[I am not a robot]

The Novatek shipyard in Belokamenka is under construction.
what is your all, gentlemen "crap"

[Ingvar 72]

In Google or Wiki is not destiny to climb? Natural gas liquefaction terminal. Former Kola shipyard.
Another "high-tech" production that promotes the speedy export of resources.

[I am not a robot]

you asked about a shipyard under construction, I gave an example

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

you asked about a shipyard under construction, I gave an example

"The shipyard will build and equip floating reinforced concrete structures for the creation of offshore structures of the gravity type, that is, transported to the basing site afloat and diving to the bottom at the expense of its own weight. The purpose of the platforms is plants for the liquefaction and transshipment of natural gas. Modules of the gas liquefaction plant itself it is also planned to be manufactured at the shipyard. "

[Vadim237]

And you that you can consume all the resource - most of all the extracted resources go to internal needs, the rest is exported market economy without profit there will be no development and no one will work for free. Finish your whining.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

market economy without profit there will be no development

I already told you Vadik that not everything is measured by profit. Think small, and small-town at the same time. Instead of industrial development, you justify the trade in resources. The mentality of a corrupt woman who sees her body as the only way to make money.

[Vadim237]

And you have what and what can be measured with buckets and nails. Without the sale of the first and making a profit, the second - there will be no development of industry for the gifted for free, no one will do anything - and if there is no market for products or the demand for it is lower than the payback of production, why the hell is it if these products are not strategic at all, what would that to produce bankrupts and then keep them afloat at the expense of the budget from the budget. "The mentality of a corrupt woman who sees her body as the only way to earn money" Do not write your "cabin" and do not write nonsense.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

And you have

You can adapt the poke to yourself somewhere. I hope the fantasy is enough.
You will not be able to get me out of emotions.

Quote: Vadim237

Without the sale of the first and making a profit, the second, there will be no development of the industry for especially gifted people for free, and no one will do anything

Vadik, how did it work out in the Soviet Union?

Quote: Vadim237

Do not write your "cockpit" and do not write nonsense.

I can treat you too, I even have a degree, a doctor's degree!
Come to Togliatti.

[Flooding]

Quote: Piramidon

But if your own shipyards are not enough at this MOMENT, you need to wait until they are built?

you would be right if it were not for nuclear power plants
this is where the security issue comes into play
not only energy, but also environmental
Is it entitled to entrust such competences to foreigners?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Flood

you would be right if it were not for nuclear power plants
this is where the security issue comes into play
not only energy, but also environmental
whether such competences can be entrusted to foreigners

Have you read it carefully? Only CASES ordered !! All the filling will be ours !! What does this have to do with your and others like you hysteria about some kind of energy and environmental security?

[Flooding]

Quote: Piramidon

Have you read it carefully? Only CASES ordered

certainly I read this word
and it is familiar to me
but this is the case
structure responsible for the ability of the entire ship, together with its atomic filling, to stay afloat and withstand loads

[Flooding]

Quote: Piramidon

What does it have to do with your and others like you hysterics about some kind of energy and environmental safety?

choose your words carefully, Piramidon
it looks like you're just starting to get hysterical
judging by the number of exclamation marks and vocabulary

[alekc75]

there was a special steel, it's the same for frost, the other goes! somewhere there was an article that the steel that went to Aviks is still a secret from the Chinese and they are not given alloy and technology

[Vadim237]

All steel grades are now freely available - and again, what kind of technology is this?

[tatra]

Something the enemies of the communists have your "present moment" stretched over 30 years of your highly paid job, and your vaunted "market economy".
You were only able to parasitize at the expense of the labor of Soviet communists and their supporters, and the labor of people from other countries, where you buy up imports in huge quantities, and who work for you in the Russian Federation.

[Shahno]

// labor of Soviet communists //
What is it? Hopefully not free forced labor and.

[tatra]

And why do I need your stupid comment?

[Shahno]

And then you do not understand why?
Explain this "stamp" to me.

[Vadim237]

"You were only able to parasitize at the expense of the labor of Soviet communists and their supporters" - Yes, your "Krasnye Borshchi" have already tried their best since the 60s. then the whole country was destroyed and taken apart and sold with giblets in the late 120s and 80s. And the main enemies of the communists are the communists themselves.

[Disant]

in fact, the nuclear power plant is a government order. Is it possible to predict and implement the development of Russian shipyards in accordance with the state order? Why is no one responsible for this?

government order, but I repeat - associated with a private mega-contract.
As the money was found from the electricity customers, they asked to supply electricity in the right place.

[out of habit]

Failure to meet deadlines and a rise in the cost of the project are initially laid down in the capabilities of our shipyards?

[sergo1914]

Quote: out of habit

Failure to meet deadlines and a rise in the cost of the project are initially laid down in the capabilities of our shipyards?

Our taxation system. She's bad. Hence all the troubles of all industries. It will be cheaper there. From the same materials, people of the same qualifications.

[Vadim237]

The Chinese simply do not have metal and labor is cheaper from here and the price is lower.

[Disant]

Our taxation system. She's bad. Hence all the troubles of all industries. It will be cheaper there. From the same materials, people of the same qualifications.

the shipyards are all BUSY, and the need for construction fell almost SUDDENLY))

[yang174]

yeah. 10: 1 komentov.Let's make everything in China .. then we'll whine that Russians don't want to work with us and are dying out without giving birth to children in poverty.
Ingvar, it looks like only state employees or the military are writing. And their relatives do not work in private enterprises. All are ready to give someone a thread and only sell oil and gas.

[vindigo]

Military and police retirees mostly sit here.

[Overlock]

Quote: vindigo

Military and police retirees mostly sit here.

who got 15 thousand for loyalty?

[I am not a robot]

pensioners received 10 each

[Sling cutter]

Quote: vindigo

Military and police retirees mostly sit here.

There are enough different people here.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: yang174

Ingvar, it looks like only state employees or the military are writing here. And relatives

There are many paid "comrades" who polish the back of the corrupt government, getting their 30 pieces of silver. On all branches of VO, they defend any actions of the authorities, no matter how absurd and anti-people they are. To understand this, just go to the profile and go over all the comments of this person.

[yang174]

yes, I don’t really want to sort out poop. sometimes, I work a lot. I read the headings that are of interest to articles in full and comments to them are obligatory. sometimes I write. well, and I add common thoughts

[I am not a robot]

well, each person has their own opinion and it may not coincide with yours, this is normal

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Janerobot

each person has their own opinion and it may not coincide with yours, this is normal

The opinion of the Zaputins is very different from the opinion of people on the street.
Easy to check. Come, we will walk along the streets of my city together, and if the majority is behind the line of the current government, like you, then I will pay for your travel, accommodation and another drink!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Come, we will walk along the streets of my city together, and if the majority is behind the line of the current government, like you, then I will pay for your travel, accommodation and another drink!

Just don't let the guest open his mouth for Putin, otherwise they will beat him badly. We even have his grandmother on what the world curse, despite the handout of 10 tyrs.

[I am not a robot]

then if you have a different opinion, then you have to beat it. what about freedom of speech

[Vadim237]

"We even have his grandmother" - Where is it not really in a nursing home?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Vadim237

"We even have his grandmother" - Where is it not really in a nursing home?

Joking is not yours!

[Antokha]

yeah. 10: 1 komentov.Let's make everything in China .. then we'll whine that Russians don't want to work with us and are dying out without giving birth to children in poverty.

Normal argumentation is given. Why it is done this way is substantiated.
1. An Asian shipyard is chosen so that the west does not interfere
2. No technology transfer
3. The main thing: your shipyards are loaded, but you need to do it now
4. The next two corps will be made by us, as well as the head
5. We have corruption (the discovery of America), and the demonstration that if something happens, the contract can go to the Chinese - our embezzlers are a hint

I don't see where the whine is. Rather, you have it.
The topic of "giving birth" to children and the concept of "poverty" in this connection are separate, complex, and do not need to be sketched. For her, not even a separate branch is needed, but a separate site.

here it seems only state employees or the military are writing. and their relatives do not work at private enterprises. all are ready to give someone a thread and only sell oil and gas.

Again by. There are many normal professionals, engineers, including shipbuilders. And there is no need to humiliate state employees. Here you will stop buying Chinese goods for yourself, limiting yourself to those. what is produced 100% in Russia - let's talk. Start with yourself, otherwise hypocrisy is over the top.
Russians (me, we) are aware of their problems, we solve them, and, over time, we will solve them.

[yang174]

"normal pros" .. usually planning first comes, that is to say, capacities and resources are studied. in our parody of the economy (we practically do not produce anything in all areas, names of goods), normal people (just people) take care of their loved ones, friends, comrades , environment, relatives, countrymen and fellow citizens, create conditions. that everything would remain in the "family." The entire press (any) around the world has published so much material as the Chinese do business in all countries of the world, they even bring their cleaning ladies. childbirth "do not mumble sales, there are not enough arguments. and you do not need to poke in quotes, you probably always hear, they took to the maternity hospital to give birth to children ... how did you get arrogant upstarts who are proud of what realties and are sure to poke high into something.
and find Russian goods, why would you not buy Chinese ... clowns in pink glasses got away ..

[Shahno]

Well, they say that Zircon is made in Russia. Still like SU unknown, whether 57, or 75.

[yang174]

is that all? just set yourself a goal - go shopping and take pictures of nameplates on industrial goods, on food, clothes, shoes, tools, any other tool. then sit and think about what you produce in addition to the defense industry.

[Vadim237]

(we practically do not produce anything in all areas, product names) More than 100000 product names are produced in Russia. And at the expense of "With our parody of the economy" - you tell the World Bank, they are all stupid there think the Russian economy is real and the fifth and sixth places are allocated in terms of GDP and GDP at PPP from 197 countries of the world.

[Antokha]

"normal pros" .. usually first comes planning, that is to say, capacities and resources are studied. in our parody of the economy (we practically do not produce anything in all areas, names of goods) ...

It is extremely difficult to perceive incoherent speech. I am afraid, however, that it was written by a sober person, and therefore it will not be easy to fix. I won't even minus. Good luck!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Anton

Here you will stop buying Chinese goods for yourself, limiting yourself to those. what is produced 100% in Russia - let's talk

Where to buy Russian-made panties, can you tell me?

[yang174]

there are in Chelyaba, but you need to know where

[Piramidon]

Quote: yang174

there are in Chelyaba, but you need to know where

By the way. I was in Kurgan and bought shoes made in Chelyabinsk. Not bad. Already two seasons belonged.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Where to buy Russian-made panties, can you tell me?

I'll give you a hint. Come. We in Vologda are freely sold, the production of the Ivanovo factory (there is even a store "Ivanovsky Textile"). Good quality. But the gum is sewn to death, if it is weak, you cannot replace it. There are also Russian socks.

[Antokha]

Where to buy Russian-made panties, can you tell me?

Didn't study the question, to be honest. I believe that my panties are Turkish. I will not say for sure, a photo, sorry, I will not send it. But my four-year-old daughter is wearing all the attire (and now it's autumn) of Russian production. The wife said. And this despite the fact that the wife is not so much patriotism as the choice of the best for the child.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Anton

And this despite the fact that the wife is not so much patriotism as the choice of the best for the child.

My children have both Turkish and ours. It's more difficult with an adult.

[Antokha]

Where to buy Russian-made panties, can you tell me?

Let's stay on topic. If the refusal to build buildings in China meant an instant rise in production in Russia, and even absolutely non-adjacent goods, such as cowards, then it would probably be clear to everyone what to do. But in fact, by refusing to build them in China now, we will not receive in time either the buildings themselves or the cowards, that is, we will remain, excuse me, as if "without cowards."

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Anton

But in fact, by refusing to build them in China now, we will not receive in time either the buildings themselves or the cowards, that is, we will remain, excuse me, as if "without cowards."

The problem of electricity supply is not as acute as presented, and existing holes are easily closed in other ways. This is not a problem, like the Crimean one.

[Antokha]

The problem of electricity supply is not so acute

Not an expert, I will not say, although the article is about the mining and processing enterprise, for which all these nuclear power plants are needed. It would be better not to keep anything there for years.

[Revival]

))))))
No comments

[mvg]

Key phrase "According to analysts, the Chinese shipyard was chosen due to its unwillingness to miss the deadline and increase the cost of the project as a whole."

[Overlock]

Quote: mvg

Key phrase "According to analysts, the Chinese shipyard was chosen due to its unwillingness to miss the deadline and increase the cost of the project as a whole."

Translated from Chinese into Russian: they will do it on time and will not steal

[prior]

"Chinese shipyard won the competition"

The program to create 25 million high-tech jobs - in action ...... What can you say ?!

[Overlock]

Quote: prior

The program to create 25 million high-tech jobs - in action ...... What can you say ?!

Putin's plan in action!

[your1970]

Quote: prior

"Chinese shipyard won the competition"

The program to create 25 million high-tech jobs - in action ...... What can you say ?!

That is, the Soviet power and the USSR robbed YOUR people - when ordered the ships in Wyartsila and the Federal Republic of Germany ??? Gave jobs and currency to the damned capitalists ???? Won what ...

[prior]

If you remember the times of the USSR so well, then you should remember the bulletin boards near every plant, on every pole and fence - "Wanted, required ..... required".
And yes, the USSR bought factories, whole factories - VAZ, KAMAZ ......... PD-50.
And he built ships in the west, but he also built aircraft carriers!
So, in my opinion, you offered a worthless comparison.

[your1970]

Quote: prior

o must remember the notice boards near every plant, on every pillar and fence - "Wanted, required ..... required."

Remind me - why was there such a turnover from factories where they paid large salaries on time and provided free housing ?? Just don't talk about the fact that new ones built factories - the main array of factories was built before the end of the 1970s.
Why were engineers paid less - than workers?

Quote: prior

And he built ships in the west, but he also built aircraft carriers!

- most of the civilian fleet was built abroad. Big ...
Aircraft carriers? And did they build a lot? Ten two - three ?? Yes??

Z. Y.
And the sailors liked to go on Vyartsila more than on ours. The quality was a little different

[prior]

All the reasons you give are based on your opinion, on your vision, on your faith, not facts.
It is pointless to argue with a believer.
Hulls for floating nuclear power plants, God knows what a complicated vessel to make them in China.
It is necessary to create production in Russia, and not to develop shipbuilding in China, automotive in Germany and Korea, aircraft in America and Brazil ... and so on.
It is stupid to deny international cooperation; the Soviet Union you mentioned did not deny this either.
But it is even more stupid and criminal to turn the country into a raw material appendage of developed countries.
I'm talking about that. But only.

[your1970]

Quote: prior

But it is even more stupid and criminal to turn the country into a raw material appendage of developed countries.

Your first contradicts the second

Quote: prior

It is stupid to deny international cooperation; the Soviet Union you mentioned did not deny this either.

The USSR ordered more serious ships abroad - not floating boxes. In our case, the Russian Federation is trying to complete them as much as possible at home.

Quote: prior

All the reasons you give are based on your opinion, on your vision, on your faith, not facts.

the construction of the USSR ships entirely abroad - against the construction of hulls there and fully equipped here - this is a fact.
Moreover, this fact is just for your idea.

Quote: prior

It is necessary to create production in Russia, and not develop shipbuilding in China,

But he's just in Your faith- does not fit

[Alexander X]

The impressions from this news are ambiguous: at first the question arose "why feed the Chinese?" After thinking, he answered himself: apparently all the Russian shipyards are loaded, and if you build a new shipyard and make these hulls on it, then you will not meet the deadline. And electricity is needed now.
Is it good that you gave it to the Chinese? Well, since we don't have time ourselves, it’s not very good ... But again, we need electricity now ...
Well, as a wish: it is necessary to introduce state planning of strategic directions for the development of the state.

[faiver]

Well, as a wish: it is necessary to introduce state planning of the strategic directions of the state's development.

- But what about the liberalization of the economy? you are encroaching on the holy

[yang174]

the train is leaving? if we don't have time? or got up in the morning and .. let's stir up a couple of three floating nuclear power plants ..
clownery of pure water

[your1970]

Quote: yang174

the train is leaving? if we don't have time? or got up in the morning and .. let's stir up a couple of three floating nuclear power plants ..
clownery of pure water

Did you try to read the article ??? Why did you need floating nuclear power plants ??? And urgently ?????

[Graz]

Well, as a wish: it is necessary to introduce state planning of strategic directions for the development of the state.

and this should have been done not even yesterday. if the military knows that they need so many new ships within 10-15 years. the same nuclear scientists that they need so many floating nuclear power plants, well, and other ships of state structures. It’s not long and not very difficult to calculate and correlate with the available possibilities and draw the appropriate conclusions how many new shipyards need to be built or to expand existing ones and to include everything necessary for this in the calculation of new state budgets!

Someone will say there is no money, so maybe it is not necessary to keep government funds in foreign securities, but to use them for the development of their country?
Only the uttermost fools can not understand this, but do it contrary to reason ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE

[vadivm59]

and it is not easier to order from the finns, one transportation from asia to the baltics will take how much time and money it will take.

[Adimius38]

in my opinion, all competitions should be given to the Chinese, then you look and our fleet will be transformed at an accelerated pace

[faiver]

everything is impossible, and so already all production is dependent on sanctions and green papers, but what we ourselves cannot yet build, it would be possible to order

[Overlock]

Quote: Adimius38

in my opinion, all competitions should be given to the Chinese, then you look and our fleet will be transformed at an accelerated pace

I wonder whose then this fleet will be ours or Chinese?

[Roman_vh]

Not yours for sure

[Overlock]

Quote: ROSS 42

They will not take Siberia and the Far East. They will settle there and then elect their governor ...

It’s even possible. Imagine, the Chinese receive a residence permit, and with our corruption and Russian passports, and then hold a referendum on the nation's right to self-determination. There are precedents

[I am not a robot]

why imagine something, you have to live in reality: where the Chinese do not get a residence permit en masse

[Overlock]

Quote: Janerobot

where the Chinese do not get a residence permit en masse

let the Far East say

[Gertm]

Do the Ukrainians receive, are we waiting for the UAO?

[xomaNN]

Finally, a clever USC solution! During the Soviet era, the Scandinavians built civil ships for us. And at domestic shipyards a powerful navy was forged. This correct line is not a sin and to continue and develop!

[Motorist]

Quote: xomaNN

During the Soviet era, the Scandinavians built civil ships for us.

Finns, Poles and Germans? The French, they built it, but they didn’t give it back. The reputation of the West is tarnished now.

[fa2998]

Quote: Piramidon

"At the same time, it is argued that the Chinese will not learn anything new during the construction of FPU hulls, since no secret technologies are used there."

They will earn, possibly expand production capacities, gain experience. We don’t need this? It’s called Putin’s "import substitution."

[Ryaruav]

in terms of creating 25 million jobs, the question is where

[Max PV]

It is a shame, of course, that we do not have enough capacity to build large-tonnage ships. But if it were the other way around - we are the bodies, and the Chinese are the stuffing, it would be much worse. Many do not understand that "hardware" is now much less of a problem than electronics, automation and electrical. Why did Britain at the beginning of the century built the Dreadnought in a year, the Americans in the Second World War produced escort aircraft carriers in six months, and now they are building some kind of corvette even in the West for years? Do you think we are worse now and do not know how to work? And the thing is that, for example, one worker who has been preparing for a year or two will make, for example, 100 meters of a welded or riveted seam, for example, in 100 hours, and 100 such workers in an hour. And two installers, who need to be trained for five years, can disconnect 100 cables in the control cabinet and in the field, in fifty hours, and 100 installers will also cope only in the same 50 hours, since only two can work. Despite the fact that there are more such cables on a corvette than on a battleship, but they are not connected to auxiliary mechanisms and something without which it is possible, albeit with problems, to do, but something without which the combat value of the corvette is zero.

[rocket757]

Chinese shipyard won the tender for the construction of the first two hulls for Russian floating nuclear power plants

... So such news is not encouraging! But, a simple question, do we have where to implement such plans at the right pace and proper quality ???

[faiver]

at the right pace and of the right quality ???

- I won't say about the quality, but it's better not to remember the pace ...

[rocket757]

It is necessary to restore shipbuilding capacities ... the fleet, it will be for a long time.

[Dikson]

A floating nuclear power plant is an object of increased danger. What about possible explosions at some particularly pleasant moment for our Chinese friends? By and large, the solution is good - if the time trouble and hands themselves do not have enough workers, qualifications and production space, let the Chinese build. First, it will be fast. Secondly .. well, okay, we won't say anything about reliability .. And, since such a conversation started, maybe the Chinese will build the second branch of BAM for us? Nenuacho - the American railways were also built by the Chinese ... for a long time .. Let them build it for us too. Landmines, where necessary, will be laid in bridges and tunnels - just in case .. If we put paranoia aside, they can also build a railway in a year, if they are paid .. And without them our construction battalions will lay sleepers for 50 years ..))

[Lunic]

... I haven't seen such a shit in the comments for a long time. Many continue to live the Soviet past and do not want to perceive technology, the economy, and the state system is no longer what it was 35 years ago.

[Letnab]

you read posts on the forum, the feeling that there are more and more vsepropalschikov on VO, regardless of the topic of discussion. At the same time, the cited facts in favor of the country's development are not perceived.

[Humpty]

I'm interested in something else in a better way with this deposit.
Why did they give the development right to a company whose reputation ...
In general, shepherds work there as foremen.
Surveyors consider the area of ​​a curved inclined surface according to the vertical projection area.
In the quarry on the road, the two smallest Belaziks do not part. Etc.

[APASUS]

The revival of industry, import substitution and other crap, which we are fed with. But in fact, we will order the hulls in China.
That's the whole answer

[Vadim237]

You read the article completely and carefully.

[APASUS]

Quote: Vadim237

You read the article completely and carefully.

Did you miss something?

[your1970]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Vadim237

You read the article completely and carefully.

Did you miss something?

All content is completely - we need it now and quickly, but we have everything taken ... They order exclusively cases without filling

[APASUS]

Quote: your1970

All content is complete - we need it now and quickly, but we have everything taken ...

Again, someone is to blame? After all, no one knew until yesterday about these floating nuclear power plants.

[your1970]

Quote: APASUS

Again, someone is to blame?

the company wanted more electricity. What is the problem? The mine has not been built yet, if you said that it will work tomorrow, no ...
Time is just enough

[Borisych]

Well done Chinese. Maybe at least this step will give a kick to the Russian slackers who have come to shipbuilding.