The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the purchase of an additional batch of Bayraktar TB2 attack drones

Ukraine intends to purchase an additional batch of Turkish drums drones Bayraktar TB2. According to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine plans to purchase 24 Turkish drones.

The Ukrainian military department plans to purchase four Bayraktar TB2 unmanned systems with six drones in each, i.e. 24 shock drones in total. The purchase is scheduled for 2021-2022 without specifying specific dates. It is noted that one complex already delivered this year is considered separately and is not included in the additional batch.

Currently, Ukraine is armed with two Bayraktar TB2 complexes of six drones each. One of them is in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the second is in service with the Ukrainian Navy. The complex received this year is more "advanced", drones have a longer range of use.

Zaluzhny noted that in addition to buying Turkish drones, the Ukrainian Armed Forces need to learn how to use them correctly. For this, the experience of using Bayraktar TB2 by the Azerbaijani army in Karabakh is currently being studied. Answering a question about further purchases of UAVs, he stressed that in the future the Ukrainian army will rely on domestically produced drones.

Meanwhile, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Taran held a meeting with the general director of the Turkish company Baykar Makina, Khaluk Bayraktar. The meeting discussed the prospects for the implementation of the Ukrainian order for the Bayraktar TB2 attack drones, as well as the possible placement of their production on the territory of Ukraine.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Do you plan to repeat the Karabakh scenario predictably? Oh well...

[Finches]

Only carpet bombing .... Ukraine, this is the springboard for the attack on Russia, sold everything! There is no need to make the mistake of Stalin, 41, but you can understand him, we were not ready, and now they are not ready - the US and the EU are bluffing, exchanging Ukraine for the achievement of their geopolitical interests - Uncle Vova, you need to bomb out Ukraine and send troops - I in the personnel reserve, but I'm ready and I'll go ahead, right with a sofa and two soft chairs, but you need to crush this bastard!

[Bat]

Quote: Finches

Ukraine, this is the springboard for the attack on Russia, they sold everything!

When I remember what they did, my soul bleeds. How could they sell such power, such beauty on metal? It doesn't reach me.

If the west were on the side of Ukraine, they would have used this plane, but they destroyed it. After this incident, I do not believe in the West.

[Finches]

Then the West cut strategists not for the sake of Ukraine, but so that they would not get to Russia, but Russia sold them too! Yeltsin, a festering traitor who has no forgiveness in the century of centuries! And so that all his children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren would die up to 40 years from various troubles .... !! So that the name Yeltsin would be anathematized forever! And it's not me such a bloodthirsty sinister, but you need to answer for everything - Yes, everyone will be rewarded according to his deeds!

[Bat]

Quote: Finches

Then the West slashed strategists not for the sake of Ukraine, but so that Russia does not get them.

But the Ukrainians could not sell, refuse to sell to Russia and use it themselves? This was the biggest mistake the destruction of such aircraft. VERY big mistake. These machines were cleverly built and very formidable.

[Finches]

If we remove emotions, then purely technologically, Ukraine could not maintain aircraft of this class - it could not afford it, both in maintenance and in the training of pilots and technicians, and to provide flight training - roughly speaking, a diesel engine would not be enough, and this is strategic planes that the regional republic does not need at all! The entire budget would work for one flight of one plane, pumping out the entire supply of fuel, only during takeoff to Lviv ...

[Bat]

Quote: Finches

then, purely technologically, Ukraine could not maintain aircraft of this class - it could not afford it, both in technical maintenance and in the training of pilots and technicians

Zhenya, as far as I know, there is an aviation school in Ukraine. That is, both in the technical and in the training of pilots, they should not have any problems. Otherwise I agree.

[Shiden]

Ukraine did offer Russia to exchange these aircraft for gas and oil supplies, as well as to finish building the Varyag. According to this scheme, several aircraft were sold. And now you blame everything on the Ukrainians.

[garrett]

Not at all ...
The whole story began at a time when the USSR collapsed and 19 Tu-160s remained on the territory of the already Great Independent Ukraine, of which only 6 were workers, who absolutely did not give up to anyone. The Kremlin, having assessed the state of affairs, decided to buy the birds. It is interesting that for a flight to the maximum range, one Tu-160 requires about 170 tons of oil, and for a training flight over Hochland, about 40 tons are needed. Naturally, even if the Ukrainians sold all their lard (a very meager supply at that time in the history of the formation of Independent Khokhlostan) and exchanged money for oil, it would not have been enough for one training flight. Also, all technical support from the publisher - "Tupolev Design Bureau" - and maintenance from the manufacturer's plant have ceased.
In March 1993, V. Zakharchenko, then adviser to the military attaché of Ukraine in Russia, said: "The Ukrainian armed forces are not faced with tasks that require such aircraft." Our speculators, appreciating all the humor of this statement, quickly offered 25 tanks for one Tu-160 unit. The Ukrainians laughed loudly and put forward, as they thought, an ultimatum: either the cancellation of gas debts, which made Gazprom go nuts from such impudence, or barter the Tu-160 for the Il-76 at a rate of 1: 2. Moscow, of course, politely refused.
The culmination of the drama was an agreement between the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Ministry of Defense of the light-faced elves on cutting 44 bombers (including 19 Tu-160s) into nuts and cogs and cutting out about a thousand X-55 missiles. The warriors of light managed to cut several "white swans" before the Russians promised to hammer in the fact that the Ukrainians have been warming themselves with gas for free for more than a hundred years, if they give up the remaining Tu-160s.
The result of the drama: 10 planes were cut by IRL, 8 - flew to Rossiyushka due to payment of debts for gas (along with three Tu-95MS, at the same time the Ukrainians were persuaded to transfer 600 cruise missiles and airfield equipment). Another one was rendered incapacitated and parked in the Poltava Aviation Museum.

[avg avg]

Don't fantasize. Everything is detailed here: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2123575.html

[Bat]

Quote: Finches

Russia also sold them! Yeltsin, a festering traitor who has no forgiveness in the century of centuries!

Wait a minute, unless in Russia they found out that they wanted to cut these planes, as far as I know they wanted to redeem and, in my opinion, some of these planes were redeemed. Is not it? Or I'm wrong? and what does Yeltsin have to do with it? More details please. I didn't get there.

[Finches]

It was necessary to take everything! And much more was sold!

[garrett]

read the answer above)

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Yarasa

and what does Yeltsin have to do with it?

Eltsin, with everything!
This non-human is to blame for the collapse of the GREAT COUNTRY!

[vitvit123]

I fully support ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Sorry, but the West did not cut - the Ukrainians ... the West paid - yes, but the Ukrainians cut.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Yarasa

If the west were on the side of Ukraine, they would have used this plane, but they destroyed it.

The West did everything right in terms of its security. The ruin of the Swans would be sold to Russia, for a pittance, they say you need to overtake them to Russia for repairs and .... cuckoo, what dastardly Russians are, do not turn in the ass!

After this incident, I do not believe in the West.

Funny. But the West on faith 40 million blocking trousers "spit from the Eiffel Tower" if only they believed that they were holding a shield between east and west. "Well, they continued to ride.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Finches

Only carpet bombing ....

In our age of high-precision weapons, writing about carpet bombing is bad manners.

Quote: Finches

I'm in the personnel reserve, but I'm ready and I'll go ahead, right with a sofa and two soft armchairs

Do not take furniture with you. Then more Western journalists will say that you have done this.

[Olkhovsky]

In our age of high-precision weapons, writing about carpet bombing is bad manners.

Do not pay attention, he is under a drunken hike in the morning, and he will not give it away by the end of the day.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Olkhovsky

Do not pay attention, he is under an alcoholic hike in the morning already

Well, you're in vain ... Yevgeny is a Russian career officer. The honor of the uniform, nobility, chivalry are in his blood. He's just joking. He will not interfere with the land of the children and veterans of the Great Patriotic War, who are still in Ukraine. He's just - "an old soldier, and does not know the words of love ..."

[Finches]

I have the honor! Thanks to!

[Hypertension]

Well, Eugene ... Not only everyone can see your true nature behind the screen of your bloodthirsty rhetoric. Or rather, very few people can do it. Yes, and you do not give a special reason for this.

[Finches]

Correctly noticed, but I'm God bless him, with my jokes ..., but behind my words is the determination to fulfill the military duty to the end, including with respect to Ukraine, which is hostile to us today! But how can you take seriously Zelensky's words that he is confident in the possibility of a full-scale war with Russia, but at the same time, 5 minutes before this phrase, he says that Ukraine has been at war with Russia for 7 years ... Why the idiocy of the head of Ukraine is forgiven by the inhabitants of Ukraine, But my desire to free them by carpet bombing from this idiocy does not suit them?
Andrey, it seems to me that you can write a very good candidate's work about the existing historical inadequacy of the Ukrainian population due to the territorial situation! By the way, Gumilyov died in 1992, a bit before the fact that his passionate theory of ethnogenesis is 100% proved by modern Ukraine!

[Hypertension]

Quote: Finches

but my desire to release them by carpet bombing from this idiocy of their own are not satisfied? Paradox!

Really. Who wouldn't want life-giving carpet bombing? This is nonsense! The Anglo-Saxons, for example, often "treat" "undemocratic" countries this way and do not see anything wrong with it.

Quote: Finches

you can write a very good candidate work about the existing historical inadequacy of the Ukrainian population

Why "inadequacy"? Ukrainian leaders did not wake up yesterday and did not decide to pursue a Russophobic policy just like that. They began to prepare Ukraine as an anti-Russian project at least 100 years ago. They invested money, ideas, funds. And so this tree began to bear its rotten fruits.

[Finches]

For some reason, everyone accepted the bombing of Yugoslavia, if not with enthusiasm, then calmly - including the Ukrainian authorities - supported the carpet bombing ... Thanks to Primakov's personal opinion, then Russia did not crap in front of the Slavic brothers! Nevertheless, Serbia is fleeing to the EU and is ready to join NATO, like other Yugoslav republics ... Here, in Ukraine, we lose much more, and history will forgive us carpet bombing, but it will not forgive us the American military bases in Ochakov and Odessa .. ...

[Hypertension]

Quote: Finches

History will forgive us carpet bombing, but it will not forgive us American military bases in Ochakov and Odessa ...

Our own History can forgive, but the world history cannot. It will forgive them, but we will not be forgiven for any price. A phrase attributed to Zhukov is circulating on the internet: "We released them, and they will never forgive us for this." What forgiveness of History can we talk about if the world community already puts communism and fascism, Stalin and Hitler on a par?
And in general - there are other ways: economic, cultural. If Russia could “bomb” its own population with decent salaries and pensions, a healthy ideology, then the Ukrainians themselves would gallop ... or rather, on the contrary, they would stop galloping and head towards the Russian Federation with a side step.
You are talking about the stick, but you forgot about the carrot.

[alex neym_2]

Well, with the sofa, you obviously went too far! The Soviet sofa is already very heavy - so break some of the head! And in The Hague, the gayropeans, fighters for the protection of the rights of the humanoid, sorry, they will not understand this ...

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Finches

Only carpet bombing ... Ukraine

Are you out of your mind ???

[Bat]

It's not about the Karabakh scenario, but about the fact that they really don't have aviation. What to buy? Eurofighter, Rafal or F35? Grandma that is? Unlikely. There is pilot training and a lot of other fuss, but a drone is cheap, you don't need a pilot, only an operator. That's all. And the future belongs to drones, whatever one may say.

[Zaurbek]

That's not even the point ..... aviation is becoming more expensive, you still can't keep up with an enemy like the Russian Federation, but for actions against partisans, adjusting artillery, reconnaissance of UAVs, it is 10 times cheaper than manned samples. And effective.

[Bat]

Quote: Zaurbek

UAV reconnaissance is 10 times cheaper than manned samples. And effective.

I agree.

[Zaurbek]

We must also not forget about the 152mm artillery and corr shells for it. With UAVs - a rebirth and competition with aviation and costs itself in the garage.

[Terenin]

According to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine V. Zaluzhny, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine plans to purchase 24 Turkish drones.

If the soldiers of Ukraine do not resell them on time (preferably in the LPNR), then when applied, they will cut off all the paths to mercy and with visas "ah, what for?"

[Zaurbek]

Yesterday they showed Outposts with 20kg of aerial bombs (an analogue of Bayraktar's most widespread weapon) .... The outpost is localized and not new even for the LPNR ...... what prevents them from appearing there?

[Viktor Sergeev]

Yes, they have nothing planned, except for stupid theft. Someone will receive kickbacks, drones will be put in warehouses or even resold, and written off as destroyed. This is Ukraine.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Yes, they have nothing planned, except for stupid theft.

In vain you are so.
The Ukrainian army is preparing very seriously.

[Terenin]

Quote: vlad.baryatinsky

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Yes, they have nothing planned, except for stupid theft.

In vain you are so.
The Ukrainian army is preparing very seriously.

What is preparing for?
To attack the LPNR?
To Russia?
How is this seriousness expressed in the event of a military conflict with Russia?
Action is equal to reaction. The stronger the military opposition to Russia, the less chances they have of survival.

[Viktor Sergeev]

I do not know how they are preparing there, but if the preparation is the plundering of funds, the supply of rotten food to the army, the same weapons, then yes, they are preparing.

[Nexcom]

and what else can they do? they have almost no aviation as such - everything is old and without spare parts.
in principle, it will do as a substitute for aviation. the only worse is that they will use all this against the LPR-DPR ...
there is not very air defense, unfortunately.
otherwise, they all surrendered to them - it’s hard to twitch against Russia, and they understand that all their drones will be knocked down once or twice if they send them to us.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Nexcom

in principle, it will do as a substitute for aviation. the only worse is that they will use all this against the LPR-DPR ...
there is not very air defense, unfortunately.

The north wind will bring what you need.

[Nexcom]

I am only "FOR" if it will. Ches the word!

[Zaurbek]

With this it is more difficult ..... Ukraine does not have such air defense systems, it will be necessary to somehow legalize the zone without flights. And so then - in Millerovo airfield with MiG29 ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Why use it if you can sell it? Who will give them to ruin the equipment bought for two prices (half kickbacks)?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Nexcom

in principle, it will do as a substitute for aviation. the only worse is that they will use all this against the LPR-DPR ...
there is not very air defense, unfortunately

Russia will have to strengthen the LDNR air defense, anyway. In response to such a threat. They themselves will not cope with MANPADS.

[Zaurbek]

There, the question is not about strengthening or not ... ... there it is necessary to create air defense and surveillance radars of the entire region ... if the positions of the air defense systems are known (as it was in Karabakh), they will be shot. And it is desirable that the control over the sky would be officially for the Russian Federation and Ukraine could not beat these survey means. Otherwise, the breakthrough of such air defense is a matter of technology and tactics. And then the UAVs will hang at 4-6000 km and hammer everything that moves.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Zaurbek

there it is necessary to create air defense and surveillance radars of the entire region ... if the positions of the air defense systems are known (as in Karabakh it was) they will be shot. And it is desirable that the control over the sky would be officially for the Russian Federation and Ukraine could not beat these survey means.

We have them. If the nearest AWACS stations Armavir, Kaliningrad do not cling to Extreme, then the "Container" from Mordovia to the whole. And across the entire spectrum of targets.
A new generation over-the-horizon detection radar of the "Container" type can detect mass takeoffs of hypersonic cruise missiles or aircraft at a distance of more than two thousand kilometers from the borders of Russia. According to the plans of the Russian Ministry of Defense, at least 10 container radars will be deployed in the near future. The design of the "Container" is quite simple, the radar is made in the form of quickly installed modules, and does not require, according to experts, the construction of complex structures.
Источник: https://xn----7sblqwdegk2n.xn--p1ai/news/1947-novaja-rls-29b6-kontejner-zastupila-na-dezhurstvo-v-mordovii.html

[Zaurbek]

They will not find the UAV ..... They are needed for other purposes.

[NDR-791]

Hang gliders sees. And the UAV cannot see it only when they are not there from the word at all

[Zaurbek]

It is not enough to see, it is necessary to determine the coordinates .... and then I doubt that he sees .... this is from the realm of fantasy.

[NDR-791]

In vain you doubt the myth of invisibility was dispelled in January 2020 with the help of the latest Russian radar, which detected 6 F-35 fighters near the border with Iran. This happened during the Iranian operation "Martyr of Soleimani", after a missile attack on US military bases in Iraq and the increased activity in the air of American aircraft.

[Zaurbek]

Finding activity ... and giving control at low altitudes are different things ... how to find a hang glider for 1,5 thousand km ...

[NDR-791]

In a threatened period, it is enough to illuminate them. The rest will be done by those who are closer

[Zaurbek]

These are hardly compatible systems ... we don't even have the A50 that can do this.

[Mouse]

Zaluzhny noted that in addition to buying Turkish drones, the Armed Forces of Ukraine need to learn how to use them correctly.

.Currently, Ukraine is armed with two Bayraktar TB2 complexes of six drones each.

A natural question arises ... are these two complexes idle? Since we haven't learned how to use them correctly yet ...

[Nexcom]

Duc, after all, there was already news on the site that the APU with drones destroyed the fuel storage near the LPR-DPR. Or was it not about these drones that there was a conversation, but about some self-made spare parts with Ali-express?

[Sanichsan]

is the experience of Karabakh being studied? Do they already have the mass of An2 converted into drones for opening air defense? or "and so it will do!"

[Zaurbek]

If they wish, they will have it all ... across the NATO border, and NATO scouts fly along our shores. And they look at everything for 200-300 km, AWACS will not hesitate to appear there ... ... they will share for sure.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Zaurbek

If they wish, they will have it all ...

if anyone wants to? except for the leaders of Ukraine themselves, no one will subscribe to such a scam. it is clear to everyone that the customer will be handed over at once, and everyone is also familiar with the Russian defensive doctrine implying blows on the decision-making citrus.

Quote: Zaurbek

AWACS will not be slow to appear there ...... will share for sure.

they already fly regularly before interception, but so far they have not been fired at. do you think that someone in the EU or the US needs to be explained why AWACS was shot down? "the war will not start because of the sunken destroyer (AWACS)" (c) Putin V.V.

[Zaurbek]

If desired by those who want to make this conflict more expensive for the Russian Federation both financially and in the losses of Russians. They will not cry over the Ukrainians either.
The destroyer passed through our waters ... And who would dare to shoot down an American AWACS in neutral waters? In a conflict without the participation of the Russian Federation? In Georgia, it was so ... BUKI did not shine and fired according to external data.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Zaurbek

If desired by those who want to make this conflict more expensive for the Russian Federation both financially and in the losses of Russians. They will not cry over the Ukrainians either.

and over their assets in the sold-out Ukraine?

Quote: Zaurbek

The destroyer passed through our waters ... And who would dare to shoot down an American AWACS in neutral waters?

like who? RF of course. there has already been a precedent in Syria. the first time they warned and reported that we would shoot down the next. The United States understood the first time. do you think that in the EU there is someone who does not understand the first time?

[Zaurbek]

Over neutral waters, no one will knock anyone down ....... for this, the Russian Federation needs to at least identify itself as a party to this conflict .... With such success, we can still shoot down ... and they fly twice a day.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Zaurbek

No one will hit anyone over neutral waters.

Why did it happen? the capitalist Russian Federation will not shoot down any planes that pose a threat to the RF Armed Forces? Are you seriously?

Quote: Zaurbek

for this, the Russian Federation needs to at least identify itself as a party to this conflict.

in what conflict? in the virtual war that Ukraine is waging with Russia?

Quote: Zaurbek

With such success, we can shoot down even now ... and they fly twice a day.

right, if necessary, we can. is there a need now? no. why shoot down now?

[Zaurbek]

This is all blah blah ..... there are laws and agreements on this topic. Then they will shoot down whatever is ours. And in terms of aircraft, we are different in pieces ...

[p0pulivox]

Such purchases do not pose a great danger for us, but for the DPR and LPR there is little good (although, of course, the problem is not only in the UAV).

[Nexcom]

that's what I wrote above.

[spectr]

I remember the Turks in one day dropped 6 pieces in Syria, when they went too far.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Shame. And earlier, after all, An-225 and spacecraft were produced in Ukraine. Ride the right way, non-brothers!

[Zaurbek]

It was produced by a more highly developed country - the USSR ....... this also applies to the Russian Federation.

[Adimius38]

It is a shame to merge Ukraine twice 1. With the collapse of the USSR 2. In 2014.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Adimius38

It is a shame to merge Ukraine twice 1. With the collapse of the USSR 2. In 2014.

Yeah! Pans can only destroy. But in 1991 Ukraine was the second European economy after Germany! And they managed to become the poorest country in Europe in 30 years! Truly, there is no need to interfere with the pots to kill themselves, they themselves do everything without any help.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the purchase of an additional batch of shock drones

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There is nothing to fly, they will put their pilots on them ...
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[Ros 56]

I would like to clarify - what the hell ??? After all, it won't help morons anyway.

[AntiAleks]

Congratulations on behalf of this wonderful forum. Well done - they are preparing to repel the imminent aggression, turning it into an optional one. And then, having received the F-35 - and completely in an idiotic venture.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Are the rollbacks already in or just announced?

[prior]

The Ukrainian military should count the drones. Otherwise, it turns out that half of the warrant officers have already been attached for the movement of contraband in the border areas.

[Sands Careers General]

More bayraktars = more targets))

Was present at the shooting down of Ukrainian drones, so nothing shines for them

[Adimius38]

cheap and effective for Ukraine, this is the very thing in a limited budget

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Do you know what the price of this complex is?

[Adimius38]

5 MILLION dollars so what? Trust me one F-16 costs a lot more

[vovochkarzhevsky]

If only I looked at Wikipedia, or something.

Unit cost ~$70 million for a minimum standard supply, consisting of 6 drones, 3 control stations and auxiliary equipment

For comparison, one Yak-130 in the export version is ~ $ 15 million.
Can you compare the combat load?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Yes, let them buy these butterflies, if only not combat aircraft.

[Dkuznecov]

After the "APU must will learn"gave up reading.
Schoolchildren are now writing articles,
yes do not subscribe.

[Borisych]

Poor fellow Turkish sultan. What should he do now with all this. Maybe Putin will forgive Bayraktary in exchange for the S-400. Or maybe not. As for the threat of Ukrainian-Turkish UAVs to Russia, it has only one way out. Calibrate.