The terms of launching the next MRK of project 21631 "Buyan-M"

The tenth Project 21631 Buyan-M small missile ship will be launched on Friday, September 17. The ceremony will take place at the Zelenodolsk shipyard. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

The next, tenth MRK of the Buyan-M project, called the Grad, will be launched on Friday. The decision was made following the results of a meeting held on Monday, September 13, under the leadership of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Nikolai Evmenov. The meeting discussed issues of building a new generation of surface ships.

To date, the Russian Navy has nine IRAs of project 21631 Buyan-M, three more are being completed in Zelenodolsk. The tenth Grad and the eleventh Naro-Fominsk fleet will receive in 2022, another - the twelfth Stavropol - in 2023. At this a series of small missile ships of this project will be completed, although it is proposed to order another one, but already according to a modernized project ... No decision has been made yet.

Earlier, the Navy announced that the project 22800 Karakurt RTOs had been ordered to replace Buyan-M.

RTOs of project 21631 "Buyan-M" are multipurpose ships of the "river-sea" type, equipped with modern weapons, including eight high-precision cruise missiles "Caliber". Displacement - 949 tons with a length of 75 meters and a width of 11 meters. The maximum speed is 25 knots. Cruising range - 2500 miles, autonomy - 10 days. The crew is 52 people. Installed jet propulsion.

Comments

[Tiksi-3]

At this, a series of small missile ships of this project will be completed, although it is proposed to order another one, but already according to a modernized project. No decision has been made yet. - the question is, it will not go under the IPC, but what then is the idea to continue the series?

[paul3390]

Who would explain to me what is the point of building these ships now, after the end of the INF Treaty? After all, apart from Calibers, which can already be placed anywhere, there is nothing valuable on it?

[Cloud4CRY]

Quote: paul3390

Who would explain to me

there is already a sea of ​​articles on this topic on the VO, no one could come up with any intelligible explanations of the plans for building ships

[paul3390]

Well - there is probably an explanation .. Someone above has already grabbed a large contract and sawed it off. How can we refuse to build now? Even if already unnecessary entities ..

[Normann]

I fight ... because I fight. Porthos.

[PPD]

The explanation is simple
- renewal of the composition, the ships built by the USSR do not last forever, corvettes 20380 are built for 8 years, their price tag is very close to the new frigates. If you do not build Buyany-Karakurt, in the same BF ships will soon be counted on the fingers of one hand. Persistent, Undaunted - they are also the beginning of the 90s. They're 30 soon.
Yaroslav the Wise - launched in 2009, but laid down in 1988! How not to preserve, this is a long time anyway.
Even the same Guarding, head 20380 - launched in 2007 - he is 14 years old already.
Imagine how old they will be in 10 years?
So they build these series, 20380 are expensive and build for 7-8 years.

[TermNachTer]

PU is universal, you can put anything in it of the appropriate size.

[paul3390]

And - what? Will the vessel become more balanced from this? She will have air defense, PLO? Will you cram a lot into 8 cells?

[-Dmitry-]

Quote: paul3390

And - what? Will the vessel become more balanced from this? She will have air defense, PLO? Will you cram a lot into 8 cells?

At one time, all the tummies over the Soviet missile boats were tearing - they say the weapons of the poor, until in 1967 the Arabs sank the Israeli destroyer with only 4 missiles.
And so, for each ship there is its own niche of application. Firstly, RTOs can move along rivers, and secondly, they are quite sufficient in the Caspian, Baltic, Black Sea. And they are not intended to repel air attacks or submarine attacks, I think this is not the same goal for submarines and aviation.

[paul3390]

And once they say they rammed with triremes .. Since those times - oh, how many things have changed!

That is - you postulate that these vessels will be like throwing calibers at the foe, and he - in response, even the overwhelming Maverick will regret them? And like - this will be his main defense?

[Normann]

He thinks that the protection of the ship is the presence of the ship itself)

[TermNachTer]

And before triremes, they also swam on rafts))) for each time, for each job there is a corresponding tool.

[-Dmitry-]

And once they say they rammed with triremes .. Since those times - oh, how many things have changed!

I see you can only be sarcastic and hysterical.

That is - you postulate that these vessels will be like throwing calibers at the foe, and he - in response, even the overwhelming Maverick will regret them? And like - this will be his main defense?

No wonder, apparently, they remembered about triremes, you still operate with ancient concepts - nowadays warships do not go to one. It will probably be news to you that they have been in battle orders for a long time, consisting of ships of different classes and purposes. And in the waters of the Caspian and Baltic, they do not even need to move far from the coast. It was for these seas that this project was developed.

[Reserve buildbat]

And if there are 3-4 missiles in a pair of cells? The diameter allows, and what of the equipment can be supplied - no one will say))) Nizza))) And then what? There is air defense ... Yes, and you can think about ASW, just don't cry here that there are fewer missiles on a ship with a displacement of less than 1000 tons than on "Peter the Great"

[antivirus]

there is only one sense - again, do not build AV for 100 VI.
and no use from those Aircraft carriers, factories are occupied and there will be RTOs and etc. of 3 grades.
Is Evmenov to blame for everything? or someone else? can all build correctly all the same?
All Moremans need 10 Avs of 100 VI each ... and the Ministry of Defense drives platforms for missiles of different ranges along the perimeter of the Russian Federation. not to threaten Florida and Texas from Caracas or ....

[Romario_Argo]

as an option, you need to create a small anti-submarine ship (MPK)
also in a series of 12 IPC
IPC based on MRK 22800 stalls, that there is not even a project

[Hermann]

There is a project 21635 "Sarsar", an anti-submarine version of the "Buyan".

[Romario_Argo]

is it just a layout or is there still technical documentation for upgrading to the IPC level (?)
just the same garbage on ave. 22800 Karakurt, there is a model of the IPC for 16 cells
and according to the documentation - silence (!)

[Hermann]

Here is a link for you, there is a TTX.https: //sk-akbars.ru/products/voennoe-korablestroenie/279/

[Romario_Argo]

performance specifications for the layout and the actual documentation for the ship are two different things

[Kalmar]

Quote: Romario_Argo

just the same garbage on ave. 22800 Karakurt, there is a model of the IPC for 16 cells

It seems to me that for the IPC, it is not the number of cells that is more relevant (even eight is enough for the eyes), but decent sonar equipment and, ideally, a helicopter in some form.

[Romario_Argo]

the helicopter is VI already for 2000 tons
we are talking about an MPC up to 1200 tons
desired armament:
PTZ Package (8), + RBU - for the place of art 76-mm, ZRPK Pantsir-M (32), 16 UVP for PLUR
on the layout of the MPK of the Karakurt type, the Tor air defense system was installed 8 cells x 4 = 32 SAM + 76-mm art and 16 UVP - rather weak
RBU - critically needed

[Kalmar]

Well, it looks reasonable, except that I still don't quite understand from the UVP - why so much? IPC always operate as part of the KPUG, i.e. there will be three of them - this is an ammunition load of 48 missiles. Where to get so many submarines? I understand, of course, that the stock of a pocket does not pull, more is better than less, but this does not affect the cost in the best way, no?

[Romario_Argo]

now they put UVP 3S14M - for anti-ship missiles, PLUR, KRMB, SAM
such a good IPC of 1000 tons, 8 PLUR and 4 ASM Zircon, 4 KRMB
target designation for anti-ship missiles will receive if they leave the Karakurt radar station Mineral-M
you can load SAM 9M96E2 with a range of 150 km from Poseidons and Orions

[Dart2027]

Quote: Kalmar

IPC always operate as part of the KPUG, i.e. there will be three of them - this is an ammunition load of 48 missiles. Where to get so many submarines?

It's just that they can be used not only against submarines. You can carry 4 PLUR and 4 RCC, you never know who will meet. You can work along the shore if the need arises. The new PLUR will be under the standard UPV, which will make it easy to put them on ships without large-scale modernization.

[Mouse]

Give coal to the country! Small, but a lot!

[Normann]

Better than none, except for projects, right?

[Dart2027]

It would be better to launch something based on Project 11661. I have experience in installing Calibers, the seaworthiness is decent, a little modernization of the project and there will be a normal corvette.

[Normann]

I wonder what is the reason?

[Dart2027]

I suppose it's a stupid standardization. It seems and meaningful - one type of corvette for all fleets. But when it was designed, they forgot to take into account the fact that it cannot be built everywhere (the maximum draft is almost 8 meters), so it turns out that ships built in the Baltic will have to be driven to the Black Sea Fleet.

[Normann]

Why are they at the Black Sea Fleet?

[Dart2027]

And what kind of ships are needed there? Cruisers or what?

[Normann]

What other cruisers? Aircraft carriers are the same.