Fatum of General Joubert

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In the previous article, we talked about the French general Barthélemy Joubert. It was told about his youth and rapid career in the French Republican army. Our hero became a general at the age of 26, and at the age of 29 he already led three armies in turn, the last of which was the Italian.

We parted with him in Paris, where, removed from the command of troops in Italy because of his adherence to principles and offended by the Directory, Joubert entered into an agreement with one of the “directors” of the republic - Emmanuel Joseph Sieyes, which was also described in the previous article.



Fatum of General Joubert
Emmanuel Joseph Sieyes by Jacques Louis David

Sensing the fall of the unpopular government, Sieyes then looked for someone with whom he could organize a coup d'état himself. He hoped to outplay his partners and allies by appointing them secondary positions of consuls of "war" and "peace". For himself, in the future triumvirate, he reserved the post of "great electorate", endowed with power close to the royal.

General Joubert was at that time the commander of the 17th division, which consisted of the Paris garrison. It is not surprising that Sieyes chose him as his "sword".

General Joubert's unexpected "business trip"


But why did Joubert suddenly leave Paris and find himself in Italy at the decisive moment?

Some believe that the conspirators decided that another glorious victory was needed for the perfect implementation of the coup d'état. After her, he would have to return to Paris in triumph - like the Roman emperor.

However, in fact, the situation in the republic then seriously deteriorated.

After the British destroyed French fleet at Aboukir Napoleon's Egyptian army found itself in a large African cage, from which she had no way to get out. Bonaparte himself needed all of his still-unused luck to slip into France.

But on the ships "Muiron" and "Carrera" then there were and could be killed or captured by such iconic figures as Berthier, Eugene Beauharnais, Murat, Junot, Lannes, Duroc, Bessières, Marmont, as well as Antoine Marie Lavalette (in the future - the head of the French postal department), mathematician Gaspard Monge (future minister of the sea) and chemist Claude Louis Berthollet.


Yves Marie Le Gouaz. Navires Le Carere and Le Muiron

In Italy at that time Suvorov was smashing the French armies.


Valentine Green. Field Marshal Count Suvorov-Rymniksky ("from an original drawing made in Milan in May 1799 by Lieutenant Fris, dragoon of the Karachaevsky regiment"). This elderly, but courageous and self-confident man does not look too much like a caricatured old man of Russian paintings.

The situation in Holland and on the Rhine was alarming.

And the Directory sent the disgraced Joubert to command the troops in Italy.

A very interesting question: would Bonaparte have left Paris without completing such an important matter as the planned and already planned coup d'état?

Hardly.

Unlike many of his other "colleagues" in the military craft, Napoleon was not only a general, but also a politician to the bone. It seems that he would have accelerated the preparation for the conspiracy and would have resolved the issue with the "directors" even before leaving for Italy.

But the young General Joubert, who was bored in the capital, was eager to fight. And so he postponed the implementation of the planned overthrow of the "directors". Probably, unlike Bonaparte, Joubert would later, as Sieyes had suggested, agree to be content with the role of military consul.

But, to the great regret of this intriguer, his protégé was not destined to return to France.

General Joubert's plans


I must say that Joubert had an extremely low opinion of the "Russian barbarians" and believed that only the mediocrity of the generals who headed the valiant Italian army of the French Republic allowed some old Suvorov (who, as Joubert believed, only with the Turks and the Poles " by rank "to fight successfully).

In general, “one foot here, the other there”: to quickly conquer Italy and return to disperse the “directors” and become the ruler of Paris and France.

Joubert was not even embarrassed by the fact that Suvorov's opponents in Italy were two outstanding French commanders. The first was Jacques MacDonald, the future marshal. He was recalled from Italy after the defeat at Trebia. And then Jean Victor Moreau fought with the Russian commander. A year later, this general, at the head of the Rhine army, will win a number of victories over the Austrians, decisively defeat them at the Battle of Hohenlinden, and occupy Regensburg and Munich.

But who are they to Joubert?

He certainly put himself on a higher level of the military hierarchy.

The result of such arrogance was the return of Joubert's corpse to Paris.

And it happened just three weeks after his farewell to his young wife.

General Joubert's last battle


Joubert arrived in Italy on August 4, 1799. He brought 5 thousand soldiers with him.

The young general was in a hurry and already on the 9th of the same month moved the army to Novi through the Ligurian mountains.

Here, on August 15, 1799, a fierce battle between the French and the Russian-Austrian troops of Alexander Suvorov took place.

Joubert planned to defeat the enemy in parts, believing that Suvorov would have to leave some of his divisions for the siege of Mantua, Tortona and Alessandria. As a result, he himself divided his army in two, which was a fatal mistake.

Mantua and Alessandria had already fallen, and Novi had more Russians and Austrians than Joubert expected to see. When the decisive battle began, some French units did not have time to approach, and the Pears division entered the battle on the move.

Nevertheless, the position of his army was very strong. In the center, it rested on the Novi fortress, and the rugged terrain in front of it made it extremely difficult for the attacking units to move. Attempts to lure the French into an open space were unsuccessful.

In the end, Suvorov decided to give battle in this position imposed on him.

The order he gave to General Paul von Krah, who was in command of the Austrians (he was supposed to start the battle), is laconic and simple:

"Destroy the first line with bayonets, overturn the rest."


General Paul von Krai. The chief of his staff was then Franz Wereuter, who would then draw up an extremely unsuccessful plan for the Swiss campaign of Suvorov.

Initially, the blow was struck on the left flank of Joubert's army, on which, as it became known from the testimony of the prisoners, not all French units still managed to take their assigned positions.

So far, only Lemoine's division was stationed here, to whose aid Emmanuel Gruchy was in a hurry. Assessing the situation, Joubert went to the left flank. Acting as at the Battle of Rivoli, he set out to cheer up the five French infantrymen who had fled. But then a horse was already killed under him, and Joubert joined the ranks of his grenadiers.

Now he rode into their ranks on horseback, which was another mistake.

Here General Joubert “found” his “bullet”. At the time of his death, he was only 30 years old.

The officers who were next to him claimed that, dying, the commander said:

“Come on! Always step on!


Death of General Joubert at the Battle of Novi, 1799 (litho), Musee Carnavalet, Paris


Joubert's grave at the Père Lachaise cemetery

Battle of Novi


And the battle was just beginning, and the command of the French troops again passed to Moreau. This general did everything he could, but again suffered a crushing defeat.


A. E. Kotsebue "Battle of Novi"

Moreau managed to stop von Kray's advance by transferring General Saint-Cyr's brigade to the left flank. He categorically forbade persecuting the Austrians, and Suvorov said about this:

“The Frenchman understands me, old man! I am glad that I am dealing with a clever military leader. "


Charles Francois Gabrielle Levashe. Portrait of General Moreau

After that, Suvorov ordered to strike at the center of the French, weakened by the departure of Saint-Cyr. The advancing Russian units ran into the walls of the Novi fortress.

Three assaults were unsuccessful, and by one o'clock the literally bleeding armies of both sides were still in their positions.

The battle resumed after a three-hour hiatus. This time, the strike on the right flank of the French was successful. Then, after the fourth assault of that day, the Novi fortress fell in the center. Under the threat of complete encirclement on the left flank of the French, the divisions of Lemoine and Grusha began to retreat. Very soon this retreat turned into a flight.

The French lost more than half of their personnel and it was only thanks to Moreau's commanding skills that the remnants of their army were able to retreat to Genoa.

Three generals were captured by Suvorov - Pears, Perignon and Collie-Ricci.

Dominique Perignon, who was previously famous for his victories over the troops of the Austro-Prussian coalition in 1794-1795, will later become Vice President of the Senate and Honorary Marshal of France.

Four times wounded at Novi, Emmanuel Hrushi will fight in Austria, Prussia, Spain and Russia. He will win many victories, on April 15, 1815 he will receive the title of Marshal of France. But most people will remember only his unsuccessful pursuit of Blucher's Prussians during the Battle of Waterloo.

Louis Leonard Antoine de Colli-Ricci, an Italian in the French service, will not show himself in anything special and will die at home in 1806.

The future Marshal and Minister of War Laurent Saint-Cyr then escaped capture. But he will become the only French marshal to surrender to the enemy. It will happen on November 11, 1813, the little-known Russian general Mikhail Bulatov will take his sword.


M.L.Bulatov. Portrait from the "Military Encyclopedia" by Sytin.

After the battle of Novi


The news of the next failure of the French army in Italy and the death of Joubert, on whom so many hopes were pinned, threw Paris into confusion. A 5-day mourning was declared in the capital. France could be defeated without waiting for the return of another savior from overseas - Napoleon Bonaparte.


William Holland. "The triumphal entry of Suvorov into Paris." Caricature, August 1799

But instead of going to Paris, Suvorov was sent by the Austrians to Switzerland. The plan for the new campaign was drawn up by Franz Wereuter, who would later become "famous" for his disposition of the battle at Austerlitz. According to Verreuter's plan, three relatively small Russian-Austrian armies were to unite literally in front of André Massena.

Contrary to Werheuter's expectations, this general, who in France at that time was called Enfant chéri de la Victoire (“beloved child of victory”), immediately took action, defeating Rimsky-Korsakov's Russian corps and forcing the Austrians of Friedrich von Gotz to withdraw.

Suvorov learned about his tragic loneliness after the Saint Gotthard Pass and Devil's Bridge were taken. He decided not to return to Italy, but to lead his troops forward - advancing to retreat. Suvorov got out of the alpine trap with great difficulty, great losses and great glory, having managed to bring with him about one and a half thousand French prisoners.


T. Shevchenko. Portrait of A. V. Suvorov

This difficult transition ended on September 30, 1799. And on October 9, the frigate Muiron entered the port of Fréjus, and General Bonaparte set foot on French soil.


Onfre de Breville. Return of Napoleon from the Egyptian campaign


Model of the frigate "Muiron", 1803, Maritime Museum, Paris

On October 16, he arrived in Paris. And on November 9, 1799 (less than three months after the death of Joubert) Sieyès nevertheless set in motion the plan of a coup d'état he had prepared. Sieyes' new chosen one, Bonaparte, publicly declared to the Barras envoy:

“What have you done with France, which I have left you in such a brilliant position? I left you the world; I found a war. I left you victories; I have found defeats! I left you millions from Italy; I found poverty and predatory laws! What have you done with the hundred thousand Frenchmen I knew, my fellow famers? They are dead! "

With the "sword" the great intriguer Sieyes did not guess: Napoleon quickly pushed him into the background, then bought off the estate of Crosne, a seat in the Senate and the title of count of the empire. Even the post of third consul soon had to be surrendered to Charles François Lebrun.


Jean Duplessis-Bertaud. Portrait of three consuls (Cambaceres, Bonaparte, Lebrun)

The great Alexander Suvorov died on May 8, 1800 in St. Petersburg, never having met on the battlefield with the French commander, whom he put on a par with Hannibal and Julius Caesar. Ahead was the whole era of the Napoleonic Wars. But this is already different story.
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  1. +11
    17 September 2021 06: 22
    In the comments to the last article, a "conspiracy" hypothesis was expressed, they say Napoleon eliminated Joubert, laughing they say the bullet was not accidental .. laughing By the way, Moreau was more fortunate, four horses were killed under him.
    1. +8
      17 September 2021 06: 50
      Lyosh, good morning. It turns out so it was written to him
      1. +7
        17 September 2021 09: 47
        It turns out so it was written to him

        Svyatoslav, the same idea, but in a slightly different form: you cannot anger fate, turning it into evil Doom. Which is reflected in the comment below. Luck always has limits. If you get too hung up, you will get it in your hands. Well, or a bullet.
        1. +7
          17 September 2021 10: 27
          "So far there was only Lemoine's division, to whose aid Emmanuel Pearchy was in a hurry." - from the text. Pear has such a karma, always "rush" to someone to help. The last time it was at Waterloo, the result is as sad for the French as it was under Novi. what
        2. +10
          17 September 2021 11: 53
          you cannot anger fate, turning it into evil Doom. Luck always has limits. If you get too hung up, you will get it in your hands. Well, or a bullet.
          You know, perhaps a person has a certain premonition, because Joubert doubted for a long time before his last battle - if the French go out to the plain, they will be trampled, shot from cannons. And Joubert, seeing all this, hesitated, he did not know what to do. Why did the French come out of the mountains so easily? Because Suvorov set the task: "Let them come out." The movement of the French through the mountains was known. Suvorov knew that they were moving in two columns. You could attack them in turn. What for? Let them go out to the plain. And when Joubert saw this, he realized that there was no chance to attack. And retreat? He gave his word to his army. After all, he came with an application: "I'll go now and defeat everyone." A council of war has met. "Let's move away." Saint-Cyr says: “Nothing compels you to descend into the plain. Tortona will hold on for a long time. ” One of the motives was that Thortona needed to be saved. But it was a very powerful citadel. "And ten days later Champion's army will go on the offensive in the Alps." When she goes on the offensive ... True, they thought there would be more of them, she was 16-18 thousand. It was assumed that the French army would launch an offensive in Switzerland. Therefore: "Let's move away now." The phrase of the generals who gathered for the council: "We will support you with all our energy in any decision." Joubert said: "I will make a decision." And dismissed the council. At 9 o'clock Saint-Cyr came to him, it was already evening: "Have you made a decision?" Saint-Cyr wrote: "It's one thing to be an executor, and another thing to be commander-in-chief." Joubert said: "I cannot make up my mind." On the one hand, it is absurd to accept a fight. On the other hand: "I promised before everyone ..." Saint-Cyr arrived at 9 o'clock, he had not yet made a decision. And at 10 o'clock he arrived, Jubert said: “The sound of the cannons is receding. Perhaps they are retreating. " Saint-Cyr said: “They are not retreating. These cannons are being removed from the night position in order to move them closer to the camp. Make a decision. " - "I'll make a decision." The first shot rang out, according to various sources, from half past four in the morning to half past four. Suvorov ordered an attack. He understood that he had to attack. If they go to the Apennines, they will not be picked out again. There are narrow passages. It is very convenient to defend yourself there. The French are getting some supplies from Genoa. It will be more difficult for the Russians and Austrians to move there. Suvorov gave the order to attack. He conducted a reconnaissance on August 14. While Joubert was tormented, Suvorov in one shirt galloped along the line - he was already anticipating victory.
          1. +5
            17 September 2021 13: 02
            you know, maybe a person has a certain premonition, because Joubert doubted for a long time before his last battle


            But he managed to challenge his fate:

            Joubert frantically appealed to the frightened parents of the delighted bride:
            - Wedding! Without hesitation ... What are you digging with dishes and feather beds? You are dealing with Joubert himself, and every second is dear to him - Suvorov himself is waiting for him ...
            In the morning he left his happy wife:
            - Oh, my miracle, why can't I take you to Italy so that you can enjoy the sight of my triumph?


            Of course, this is literary fiction. But the writer "heightened the artist's instinct" realized that this could be. Or maybe there are eyewitness accounts.
            Don't say "Gop!" Until you jump over.
            Fate favored Napoleon, but for another of the countless "Hop!" nevertheless answered: "Do not climb across me into the scorching heat!"
            Young, hot people believe in themselves, not in destiny. They identify it with their desires, not seeing the desires of others.
        3. +4
          17 September 2021 12: 03
          I try not to "close", otherwise I will have to pay dearly
      2. +2
        18 September 2021 06: 09
        Yeah, like Shchorsu smile
        1. +2
          18 September 2021 06: 39
          Good morning. Are you saying there is always Raveljak?
          1. +1
            18 September 2021 19: 38
            No, laughing just like in a song..that the bullet flew by and yeah laughing
    2. +11
      17 September 2021 09: 12
      Alexei, good morning. smile
      I will try to supplement you, the mood today is kind of naughty. laughing

      Standing on the left - the author of the "non-random" bullet, General Joubert; the culprit of the death of four horses of General Moreau stands on the right. Respect and respect - well, damn it, they shoot. drinks
      1. +6
        17 September 2021 09: 53
        something the mood today is some kind of naughty.

        And the magnetic storm began yesterday and, by the way, continues today. So the "shaly" thing is to talk about the crazy generals on the themes of the naughty Authors)))
        May this day be good at least! )))
        1. +6
          17 September 2021 10: 59
          ... the magnetic storm began yesterday and, by the way, continues today.

          Something didn’t even notice anything.

          Good morning, Luda. smile love
          1. +6
            17 September 2021 11: 16
            Greetings, I also did not know what a magnetic storm. I usually felt for the day
          2. +7
            17 September 2021 11: 18
            Good morning, Kostya! drinks hi )))
            And I noticed that I became weak.
            I read Vyacheslav Olegovich's article yesterday and decided - oh, this is not for me. But Valery's article is the very thing. Fatum, placing a person in his place. What was it about the actions of all these French gentlemen - Sieyers, Joubert, Napoleon, that the fate of one destroyed, others brought down. The desire to jump over your head? The arrogance of Sieis, the self-confidence of Napoleon ... What did Joubert have? The desire to get into the place of a person whom fate has already sentenced to the slaughter? Like, do not bother, not your line of history, do not climb on it. For Napoleon!
            William Pitt Jr., the head of the St. James cabinet, believed that Bonaparte's return to France was fraught with worse fears for England than his entire army would return from Egypt. Admiral Nelson besieged Malta, cruising off the coast of France, but the blockade was broken: "I am saved, and France is saved too ..." - with these words Bonaparte stepped ashore. No one asked him why the army was left in Egypt. Crowds of the people came out on the road, welcoming him, the French were already accustomed to the idea that Bonaparte appears in the most crisis moments. His heroism was enveloped in the fantasy of the East, always exciting the imagination of Europeans, and the little general, scorched by the sun of the deserts, seemed to be an alien from another, magical world ...


            Everything looks as if the fates of people are fighting among themselves. wassat )))
            1. +9
              17 September 2021 11: 32
              The desire to get into the place of a person whom fate has already sentenced to the slaughter?

              I don't think that some fate prepared Napoleon for the slaughter, he was not the lamb of God, he lived as he wanted, did what he did, and apparently could not. And a trace in the history and memory of people left such that few leave.
              1. +5
                17 September 2021 11: 42
                Are you saying that Napoleon's fate was in a trace in history? Came, inherited ... wassat )))
                1. +6
                  17 September 2021 11: 43
                  A derogatory epitaph to the great General and Emperor. fellow
                  1. +5
                    17 September 2021 12: 14
                    Kostya ...
                    A little time will pass, and the French themselves will overthrow him. They have already entered the mainstream of statue crushing, like in the USA. Unless migrants' feet are washed.
                    Here's what the BBC Russian service says:

                    the French continue to argue about who he is - a national hero or a tyrant, whose name is associated with the darkest pages of the country's history. Across Europe today, calls are being made to revise the legacy of many historical figures considered to be great.


                    And then there was some Joubert as a failed Napoleon. Well, it didn't take place! Lucky guy. Nobody reproaches him for anything wassat )))
                    1. +7
                      17 September 2021 13: 00
                      the French continue to argue about who he is - a national hero or a tyrant,

                      And what about Stalin in a different way?
                      Nobody blames him for anything wassat)))

                      They will find it! For example, the fact that he was not homosexual, or vice versa - he raped the unfortunate Ethiopian. laughing
                      1. +5
                        17 September 2021 13: 26
                        Really?
                        You intrigued me! laughing what )))
                      2. +5
                        17 September 2021 13: 37
                        In what way? laughing
                      3. +7
                        17 September 2021 14: 03
                        Well, how in what? In terms of the rape of the Ethiopian. If I were a high society lady of that time and having heard this from a serious person, you know what I would have said in the salon: "Imagine, some in their assumptions have come to the point that Napoleon is able to rape an Ethiopian!"
                        Believe it or not, the next day all Paris would have been seething with rumors that Napoleon had raped an Ethiopian woman! wassat )))
                      4. +8
                        17 September 2021 14: 51
                        Napoleon raped an Ethiopian woman!

                        Actually, I meant Joubert, Bonaparte, in my opinion, is too cold and calculating a person to do such nonsense. Why would he rape an Ethiopian woman if he was going to fuck all of Europe. laughing
                        Believe it or not, but in a day all Paris would be seething with rumors ...

                        I will believe it. Aunties on the tongue, if what gets - write wasted, in an hour the whole world will know. Yes
                      5. +6
                        17 September 2021 15: 00
                        What's the difference. About whom they would say, about that Paris would seethe. Therefore, Sieens did everything in secret, but trusted in such ears that would push some of their owners against others for the benefit of the intriguer. However, every sage has his own simplicity. In this case, Napoleon)))
                      6. +6
                        17 September 2021 16: 10
                        Hmmm, Napoleon and simplicity, a pretty funny combination. Simple, simple, like three kopecks. laughing
                      7. +3
                        17 September 2021 16: 26
                        Well ... the simplicity of an icebreaker plunge through meter ice belay )))
                      8. +4
                        17 September 2021 16: 42
                        Shipbuilders will be offended for the "simplicity", starting with the builders of "Ermak" headed by Stepan Osipovich Makarov. And rightly so, women's frivolity is unacceptable to the sea business! am
                      9. +5
                        17 September 2021 16: 59
                        female frivolity


                        And I decided that I was glorifying the Morflot!
                        The marine did not understand and ran over me with an icebreaker.
                        I didn't have time to dodge, I'm looking at my halves wassat )))
                      10. +5
                        17 September 2021 17: 05
                        The Morflot has nothing to do with it, Rezun ran into you with his "Icebreaker".
                        looking at my halves

                        How did it go: along, across, or diagonally? If diagonally, then for sure - Rezun. wassat
                      11. +6
                        17 September 2021 17: 08
                        Before answering a question in court in the case of cutting a carcass, I would like to clarify with passion: who is Rezun?!?
                      12. +7
                        17 September 2021 17: 19
                        The author of "Icebreaker" and a few more pseudo-historical libels, a former GRUShnik, a traitor and so on ... Come on, Lyuda, do I believe that you haven't heard of him? Do not tell my cat, otherwise he will choke on the mouse that he just dragged.
                      13. +4
                        17 September 2021 17: 28
                        Do I believe that you haven’t heard of him? Do not tell my cat, otherwise he will choke on the mouse ...

                        From the fact that your cat choked on a mouse, it does not follow that I am obliged to know who Rezun is. I was much more interested in where people get such names?
                      14. +4
                        17 September 2021 17: 31
                        He, a parasite, also took a pseudonym for himself "Suvorov", did not want to remember, but you forced me. And the surname, probably, was awarded by the dad, the same one who regretted a gold piece for an abortion. And in vain regretted, dir en.
                      15. +5
                        17 September 2021 17: 39
                        I managed to look at the wiki. He offered an alternative history of the victory of the USSR in the Second World War. It is clear which one.
                        Dad was definitely a scoundrel! am !!!
                      16. +3
                        18 September 2021 15: 02
                        By the way, he is not offended by his talent as a writer, and in some ways (exactly in something, do not count as supporters) he is right. I read his books somewhere in the 1990s and they were for me one of the steps in broadening my horizons and "the habit of thinking." Trilogy "Icebreaker", "Day M", "Purification". I advise in a set with Isaev's book "Antisuvorov". I also read his "Choice" with pleasure. But yes, he is an anti-Soviet and a bastard.
                      17. +5
                        17 September 2021 17: 09
                        feminine frivolity is unacceptable to the naval business!

                        Diana Chigi - navigator of the atomic icebreaker "50 Years of Victory"
                      18. +2
                        17 September 2021 17: 24
                        And where did she put him on the reefs? In the Suez Canal, didn’t she seem to "have fun?" laughing
                      19. +2
                        17 September 2021 18: 03
                        You see, Uncle Kostya, I am shocked by the women-sleepers, but not in the role of navigator and second assistant.
                      20. +2
                        17 September 2021 18: 18
                        Well, after all, you are not a navigator and did not "sunbathe" at that memorable time near the entrance to Suez. And women-sleepers are not like women, in my personal opinion. Or as Shukshin wrote about them - "Ugly, working woman."
                      21. +3
                        17 September 2021 18: 25
                        Well, you are not a navigator after all
                        With this - I agree. I only sat on the oars for 3 hours in my life. For comparison, on the "lip" - three days.
                      22. +3
                        17 September 2021 18: 39
                        I walked on oars, I can. Well, and with a lip ... And what a service without it, nafig, I sat, of course. laughing
                        From my demob album.

                        Our regimental lip called sanatorium "Dandelion" in the former village bathhouse. My first three days, I didn't want to leave her, but I was kicked out. soldier
                      23. +2
                        17 September 2021 18: 45
                        He pulled me out of the "lip" of the regiment commander.
                      24. +2
                        17 September 2021 21: 13
                        "The wind carries a cloud,
                        Past the blue sky
                        Lives in our yard
                        The woman is ugly "(C)
                      25. +3
                        17 September 2021 21: 24
                        I can't, it was inspired by your verse, I need to get rid of:
                        "The ax floats along the river
                        From the village of Kukuev,
                        Well, let it float
                        A piece of iron ebrueva. "(C)

                      26. +2
                        17 September 2021 21: 26
                        This is not mine, this is Slepakova
                      27. +2
                        17 September 2021 21: 27
                        And who is this chita-brita, I don’t know? request
                      28. +3
                        17 September 2021 21: 32
                        Type in Google and listen, it's so hard to tell ... It seems like a humorist and a verse, and sometimes ...!
                      29. +3
                        17 September 2021 17: 31
                        Anton, you are, as always, a romantic ...
                        A beautiful woman!
                      30. +3
                        17 September 2021 17: 49
                        Thank you!
                        A romantic, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, was my father ...
                      31. +4
                        17 September 2021 18: 32
                        I, too, until a certain age was a romantic, then broke off, although now relapses happen. wink

                        "Tired of talking and arguing,
                        And love tired eyes
                        In the filibuster, distant blue sea
                        The brigantine raises the sails. "(C)

                        Yes, right now I would go to the deck under the black flag and rob someone, and there ...

                        "Black brig, gunfire thunders,
                        Gold rings in pockets ... "(c) Romance, damn it! drinks
                      32. +5
                        17 September 2021 18: 41
                        Father, until the end of his days, believed in good people and the "Path to Amalthea" ...
                      33. +4
                        17 September 2021 18: 43
                        So I believe in them, but I am already reluctant to embark on adventures, the old one has become and lazy, like that Abdula. laughing
                      34. +3
                        17 September 2021 18: 46
                        And I, alas, do not believe.
                      35. +3
                        17 September 2021 18: 56
                        "Your life is meager, Hegemon." (C)
                      36. +2
                        17 September 2021 22: 05
                        You can put your soul into a dog, Yeshua.
                      37. +3
                        18 September 2021 21: 38
                        No doubt. smile
                      38. +1
                        18 September 2021 21: 52
                        Or curiosity ... Looking out the window - this is curiosity. Loyalty is different.
                        But we raised them faithful, the wolves are much smarter, but not so faithful.
                      39. +1
                        18 September 2021 21: 57
                        .. Looking out the window - this is curiosity.

                        Or maybe just waiting for a friend? Remember the story of the dog at the airfield?
                      40. +3
                        17 September 2021 18: 42
                        Don't be shy!
                        And I'm such a romantic: right now I watched the tsunami in Japan in 2011, looked out the window - nothing like that ...
                        I watch this tsunami every day. Especially one long video. About how a wave comes along the river, flooding the town. Filming from one bank of the river, then from the building, and then the opposite industrial bank turns into a solid wall of fire that rises to the skies.
                        And I keep thinking about what awaits us.
                        You, in St. Petersburg, turned the old trees - a lot of windage, they could not resist. I'm watching.
                        I look out the window to maintain future romantic notions of how good everything was, and we didn't appreciate it.
                      41. +5
                        17 September 2021 16: 31
                        And what about Stalin in a different way?

                        So I don’t understand who raped the Ethiopian? belay Joubert or Joseph Vissarionovich? request tongue
                      42. +6
                        17 September 2021 16: 38
                        Lyudmila said that Napoleon. request But I'm not sure if Tarle should be re-read. Yes
                      43. +4
                        17 September 2021 16: 40
                        But I'm not sure if Tarle should be re-read.

                        Do you think Tarle did this with the Ethiopian? belay or maybe everything was in agreement - a scientist, nevertheless, a smart man, he probably gave flowers too ... feel
                      44. +5
                        17 September 2021 16: 48
                        Aaaaa ... So you think that Tarle fucked the Ethiopian and blamed everything on Napoleon in Invasion ?! And what? It's quite a version, and it will definitely work. good
                        Now I understand where Lyudmila got this information from. Strong! Ah yes Tarle! Oh yeah son of a bitch! Respect! laughing drinks
                      45. +3
                        17 September 2021 16: 52
                        that an Ethiopian woman was fucked by Tarle and blamed everything on Napoleon in "Invasion" ?!

                        The Ethiopian and Tarle had everything in agreement, and with pleasure! But he, adding drama and violence, blamed Napoleon, along the way calling him a homosexual, Bonaparte - on you, you - on Joubert. laughing Multi-way! drinks And we, Lyudmila and Svyatoslav, alternately break our brains. wassat
                      46. +4
                        17 September 2021 17: 05
                        Why break your brains?
                        You need arms or legs. It is clearer.
                        But if Kostya breaks his vest, we can agree with his version.
                      47. +3
                        18 September 2021 18: 17
                        But if Kostya breaks his vest, we can agree with his version.

                        Kostya raped an Ethiopian ?! belay Horror, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! And he told me - a decent family man with his own pond and easel for poster painting! request Lied, it turns out, a voluptuous? recourse Give him some chocolate? wink Well, the creator of the "bounty" .... wassat I've always considered him an entertainer, but not before! I know that Mao-oriented Chinese women in 1969 swam across the Ussuri themselves, but I didn't know about Ethiopians! belay
                      48. +2
                        18 September 2021 18: 26
                        And he told me - a decent family man with his own pond and easel for poster painting!

                        Yes, a liar and a voluptuous! Anyway, whatever the topic may be, he publishes portraits of the lady of the heart!
                      49. +1
                        18 September 2021 18: 29
                        Yes, a liar and a voluptuous! Anyway, whatever the topic may be, he publishes portraits of the lady of the heart!

                        But we also love him for that! And not only for this ... He is the Cat, and the Cat sounds proudly! drinks And by the way, Uncle Kostya draws - really cool! I bow! good
                      50. +3
                        18 September 2021 18: 36
                        I am familiar with creativity, of course!
                        I respect
                        Yes, they are such voluptuous artists!
                        By the way, mon cher, they heard (in a whisper, bringing his lips to his ear, not to his, of course):
                        ee2100 banned! Shh ...
                      51. +3
                        18 September 2021 18: 41
                        By the way, mon cher, they heard (in a whisper, bringing his lips to his ear, not to his, of course):
                        ee2100 banned! Shh ...

                        I saw him only yesterday! belay Alexander is an uncle of the world, we personally went to the museum and sat in a restaurant! drinks Author of a number of excellent articles on VO on the Baltics. good For what? belay
                      52. +3
                        18 September 2021 18: 46
                        Apparently this happened on the article about the coronavirus, in the "Opinions".
                        Probably, hmmm, I did not agree with the author. Who is the author? His constant opponent. recourse
                      53. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 02
                        I took a shovel, went to dig the archives - such an event requires investigation sad
                      54. +1
                        18 September 2021 19: 05
                        I took a shovel, went to dig the archives - such an event requires investigation

                        - Girls should be engaged in beautiful lingerie, and not digging with a shovel. I have the honor. (signed by Pal Petrovich). soldier
                      55. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 12
                        Digging with a shovel, sir, must also have someone to do! From you men, you will wait, how ...
                        Taki dug. After someone's remote, she was quite present and hissed aside, Olegovich cut.
                      56. +3
                        18 September 2021 19: 24
                        Disassembly! Disassembly! Disassembly! laughing

                        "hissing and cutting" !!!!! Divinely said !!!! I am delighted !!! laughing lol
                      57. +3
                        18 September 2021 19: 29
                        When she comes from the ban, she will remember everything to us! wassat )))
                      58. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 32
                        No, well, how did I like this phrase, eh!
                        "hissed aside, cut Olegovich."
                        I laugh, I laugh! I laugh again! love
                      59. +3
                        18 September 2021 19: 40
                        Seryozha, I'm superstitious - so, slightly ...
                        According to popular belief, great laughter is followed by crying. Statistics confirm 100% of cases. True, he does not specify the magnitude of the intervals between the two aforementioned events. Allows for a combination known as laughing through tears.
                      60. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 43
                        Oh, come on! I always laugh when it's funny. Regardless of the signs. Despondency! This is a sin.
                        I'm away, be back soon! hi
                      61. +3
                        18 September 2021 19: 45
                        I'm falling in! I'm tired today something.
                        I'm going to smoke, maybe the strength will arrive ...
                      62. +3
                        20 September 2021 13: 23
                        When she comes from the ban, she will remember everything to us!

                        ... Knocking flip flops on the parquet, waving a broom, and straightening a towel on his belt! fellow
                      63. +3
                        20 September 2021 14: 13
                        And then with those spanks, we, smart guys, will spank! laughing )))
                      64. +3
                        20 September 2021 14: 26
                        And then with those spanks, we, smart guys, will spank!

                        He is a powerful man, textured and very, just exceptionally beautiful! good It is not shameful to substitute such a fifth point under a slap! wink drinks Here, three of us will line up in a row ... You, me and Sergey-Phil ... request And Uncle Kostya will lament how morally dissolute we are! tongue
                      65. +3
                        20 September 2021 14: 53
                        Uncle Kostya - for sure!
                        He already spanked me for moralizing about the digital future wassat ))))
                      66. +2
                        20 September 2021 15: 00
                        He already spanked me for moralizing about the digital future

                        By the way, you, too, once gave me a hard slap for an epithet in relation to Catherine the Great - I will try to get rid of such insinuations in the future! wink love
                        For the last two weeks I have been reading literature on the 18th century. Last week, I printed out a number of materials from the 19th century publishing house, but haven't got it yet. Today I ordered another book - tomorrow they will bring it. good Information from the Internet must be checked, because the sites are made up by all and sundry, and the book is a reinforced concrete argument! request Although they, too, certainly need to be checked ... what In general, all historians admit inaccuracies when writing - I am already convinced of this! Yes
                      67. +3
                        20 September 2021 15: 09
                        History always wears a carnival mask, go find out who is under it. You think it was like that, and then the fact pops up, and everything is upside down.
                        Nikolay, did my remark really hurt you? Do not be offended! After all, it was done in passing only so that in the future your brilliant articles would be distinguished by absolute impeccability. And the quotes ... They will endure everything!
                        Looking forward to your next article. love )))
                      68. +2
                        20 September 2021 15: 16
                        Nikolay, did my remark really hurt you? Do not be offended!

                        Niskolechko, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! stop The thing is, I really missed that phrase when I was editing. I looked through everything, corrected everything - and missed the very beginning with a glance! recourse
                        The article was conceived for a maximum of two pages, and I began to write it in a humorous manner. But - "wipe your shoulder, swing your hand" - here, from the first two paragraphs "signed" as much as eighteen pages ... wassat
                        And, in the final version, I accidentally did not see the very definition of the loving empress that I wrote on the first evening! request
                        Looking forward to your next article.

                        Guys, I say it again - it's nice to write for all of you. And we created this company - ourselves! Therefore, while our dear Alexander sits in the bath for a couple of weeks, during this time we will try to do something! drinks Thank you all!
                      69. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 02
                        Probably, hmmm, I did not agree with the author. Who is the author? His constant opponent.

                        Hmm ... everything is clear ...
                        Sergei, here you are - an intelligent person. Since childhood, I have not been in contact with stupid and creepy people - it's a taboo. Tell me, did they need all this? Here are all the small-large claims, "someone said the wrong thing, someone farted at the wrong time"? request
                        We are adults. And in five years we have created on the site, without embellishment, the best sane company. The rest cover each other with the contents of the rectum, representatives are in the lead in this the most humane trend - "communists" (these are just dimwitted boors), "monarchists" and "fans of haplogroups". Of course, they are expensive to the site, they make clicks and views on their own abuse, but they do not at all make fame and image. It's like adding a booze Instagram account. There are a lot of scandals and clicks, but not enough fame. negative
                        Learn to find a common language already ... angry I, as a notebook DB, have been trying to explain this to all of you since 2016 ... but you don't give a fuck! It is your own "I" that is important .... hi
                      70. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 09
                        Emotions. Emotions. Emotions. As a result. Repressions. When to freedom? We will write off and find out. No? wink
                      71. +3
                        18 September 2021 19: 10
                        We will write off and find out. No

                        Let them decide. Like smart people, not rabid monkeys. drinks
                      72. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 13
                        By the way, did you like Petrenko?
                        "Dry, dry as a leaf ..." good
                      73. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 19
                        but you don't give a fuck!


                        "The carriage is my carriage!"
                        To whom was this passionate monologue addressed?
                        Wipe a tear, Nikolay, they are not here.
                      74. +3
                        20 September 2021 08: 59
                        Wipe a tear, Nikolay, they are not here.

                        Uther, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! laughing love
                      75. +2
                        20 September 2021 09: 05
                        And me? And I am shedding tears! In deep sadness about the Motherland, following the results of the last elections. belay what

                        Good morning friends!
                      76. +3
                        20 September 2021 09: 06
                        And me? And I am shedding tears! In deep sadness about the Motherland, following the results of the last elections.

                        Did you think it would be different? wink drinks
                      77. +2
                        20 September 2021 09: 14
                        After all the "beginnings" of the ruling clique, I hoped that the population of the country would wake up for at least these three days and scratch in the back of the head. But it turned out .... At least my conscience is clear, I was there. hi
                      78. +3
                        20 September 2021 09: 43
                        Seryozha, "for their business ..."
                        A walkway is visible from my west window. On the eve of the elections, indicating intentions, old concrete slabs were removed from it and made "beautifully":
                        canvas, sanding, curb, gravel ...
                        For two weeks people walked by, not wanting to spoil their shoes on sharp gravel corners, now they knead clay next to it in the rain, but there is no asphalt! But there is hope that someday ... But there is hope? Here in this everything is edro, it is a leaky bucket. Whatever you put - by, by, goes into the distance boundless. We see off with our eyes, but there is no ban on dreams!
                      79. +3
                        20 September 2021 09: 30
                        Good morning, Seryozha!
                        Take a towel and dry it! wassat )))
                        This time the Communist Party of the Russian Federation did not even send an agitation to the box - not to me and to anyone. And if they voted for it, then as for a wilted, once cultivated plant in protest against a weed that brazenly spreads fat leaves, which, by a strange historical accident, grew out of a common root with a cultivated one. Such are the miracles of mutation!
                      80. +3
                        20 September 2021 09: 21
                        I am glad for your steadfastness, Nikolai!
                        So it should be - he sobbed briefly, sighed, and like a fresh cucumber from the garden! wassat )))
                      81. +3
                        20 September 2021 10: 26
                        So it should be - he sobbed briefly, sighed, and like a fresh cucumber from the garden!

                        I would like Alexander to come back to us. drinks
                      82. +3
                        20 September 2021 11: 09
                        Do you mean her? I'm all for it! Not the case when "the detachment did not notice the loss of a soldier."
                      83. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 28
                        So they are not the first! Both personalities, both write, both are interesting! So they collide with each other! Beliefs are different. angry
                      84. +3
                        20 September 2021 11: 13
                        Sometimes ...

                        But one clearly has more authority than the other. This means that the less empowered should be more flexible than the more empowered. This is the law of nature!
                      85. +2
                        18 September 2021 18: 48
                        The title of "World Uncle" is not a defense against the repressive apparatus! laughing
                      86. +3
                        18 September 2021 18: 56
                        Vice versa! Exacerbates the situation as a means of disguise!
                      87. +3
                        18 September 2021 18: 54
                        For what?

                        There is an opinion. He attempted to assassinate Vyacheslav Olegovich, shot with an evil word of large caliber wassat )))
                      88. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 07
                        There is an opinion. He attempted to assassinate Vyacheslav Olegovich, shot with an evil word of large caliber

                        Two DB is power. fellow
                        I respect both, only the best words. In vain they are so. Let them think about the future ten times. stop Both!
                      89. +2
                        18 September 2021 18: 49
                        Of course, of course! Only between us!
                        Not a word to anyone, the West will support us. laughing lol
                      90. +1
                        18 September 2021 19: 03
                        Oh, how careless you are, my friend!
                      91. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 11
                        And what am I? And I’m nothing! lol
                      92. +1
                        20 September 2021 13: 26
                        And what am I? And I’m nothing!

                        We now have two English spies. The first in the eyes of the "patriotic public" was Shpakovsky, the second will be you. laughing
                      93. +1
                        17 September 2021 17: 14
                        ... we break our brains.

                        The main thing is not to break anything else, and the brains will settle down. laughing
                      94. +4
                        17 September 2021 17: 20
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        The main thing is not to break anything else, and the brains will settle down.

                        Don't tell. I have seen people with broken brains - invalids worse than legless ones.
                      95. +3
                        17 September 2021 17: 21
                        Here they are also full and, basically, all on "politics".
                      96. +3
                        17 September 2021 17: 24
                        I myself am one of them. We all live in the same society, someone is really sick of the state, someone is working out their 30 pieces of silver. request
                      97. +4
                        17 September 2021 17: 29
                        Well, we've arrived. Again, how much money for the fish. laughing There is not enough room for you to root for the state, otherwise it will immediately stretch its legs without your "pain". And I don’t need to answer, I have nothing to talk to you about, you are boring and monotonous. To the nausea. hi
                      98. +4
                        17 September 2021 17: 33
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        And I don’t need to answer, I have nothing to talk to you about, you are boring and monotonous. To the nausea.

                        Well, I'm kind of with you on the topic, and you are rude. You mentioned the politician, not me.
                        In general, I meant mental trauma in people, after various stresses and events. And you mean nausea. I thought better of you. No.
                      99. +3
                        17 September 2021 17: 44
                        Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. This audience just got bored. request
                      100. +3
                        17 September 2021 17: 50
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. This audience just got bored. request

                        Accepted. I myself have already bothered, but as I said, there is no escape from problems in society. And I'm just from the category of people whose eyes are corny with injustice. request
                        Everyone, closed the policy. hi
                      101. +4
                        17 September 2021 17: 56
                        Hi Kostya!
                        What a finely comfortable squabble?
                        Even without the massacre!
                        I agree that not everyone is given to catch luck by .... tail!
                      102. +3
                        17 September 2021 18: 23
                        A comrade accidentally drove in, well, they did not understand each other, but they figured it out. smile
                        I just glanced at Kovid from Shpakovsky and did not even bother to get in, there was nothing to talk about and no one to talk to. And it’s not interesting.
                      103. +2
                        17 September 2021 18: 39
                        Once again, you're right!
                      104. +2
                        18 September 2021 18: 30
                        Here they are also full and, basically, all on "politics".

                        Don't go to "politics", don't go to the "yellow house" ... request
                      105. +2
                        18 September 2021 18: 39
                        Late. The council is gone. He has already gone. He has already climbed. He has already "got".
                      106. +2
                        18 September 2021 18: 44
                        Late. The council is gone. He has already gone. He has already climbed. He has already "got".

                        Seryog, you wanted to say, he has already "eaten poop in his address"? laughing And who is a good doctor to him? wink Do not go to opinions and analytics, do not eat poop from idiots with an extremely unsuccessful life! request
                      107. +2
                        18 September 2021 18: 59
                        Well, not quite, but close. It's just that it's pointless to talk about this / covid / it's already pointless. Who believes, who doesn't believe. Another section of humanity. I believe in illness / not the first and not the last /, but the hysteria around him is purely commercial. Let's survive! I am sure of this.
                      108. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 08
                        We will survive! I am sure of it.

                        Will live! soldier drinks
                      109. +1
                        18 September 2021 21: 25
                        "ate some poop in your address"?

                        No, he went to shit himself. laughing
                      110. +4
                        17 September 2021 19: 08
                        Someone disagreed with you, Kostya! )))
                        Brains will shake ...
                        Suggesting a concussion? I think it's easy with us on occasion! And concussion, and shock, and shaking into mush.
                        Right on the topic of the article. Passions were in full swing in France to break free from the captivity of previous ideas.
                        And now we have ...
                        We are boiling, brothers, we are boiling. Slowly gurgle in a saucepan, boil wassat )))
                        What are the times, such a gurgle. The course of history has become invisible. She is incognito.
                      111. +4
                        17 September 2021 19: 18
                        And now we have ...

                        In my opinion - a rotten swamp, with evil spirits, and someone is delighted with it, toads, probably, and creeping bastards.
                      112. +3
                        17 September 2021 19: 30
                        toads, probably, but creeping bastards.

                        Each toad has its own hummock, each reptile has its own feeding area.
                        They eat differently, but they converge at a point - by everyone and everyone who fits in the body.
                      113. +2
                        17 September 2021 21: 07
                        "Oh, my life is zhistyanka ...
                        Come on, take her to the swamp! "(C)

                        Greetings from the Swamp Doctor. hi
                      114. +2
                        17 September 2021 22: 02
                        Well, like this!
                        Not a game - books of the "Stalker" series - my everything)))
                      115. +2
                        17 September 2021 18: 13
                        Solomon, Queen of Sheba.
                      116. +2
                        17 September 2021 18: 48
                        He got it right there, old libertine. wink
                      117. +3
                        17 September 2021 19: 01
                        Fucked and rejected! Like, "for my attention, there are more interesting individuals."
                      118. +4
                        17 September 2021 19: 30
                        ... there are more interesting individuals

                        Something like that, with a twist? fellow

                        I could have stuck it more frankly, Solomon would have liked it, but the modders have a different understanding of this issue. wink
                      119. +2
                        20 September 2021 15: 09
                        He got it right there, old libertine.

                        This, for an hour, is not the same Ethiopian whose adultery we discussed with you? tongue
                      120. +2
                        20 September 2021 15: 33
                        A sultry woman is not only a poet's dream. good

                        We have been pouring from the sky for the second day without ceasing. am
                      121. +2
                        20 September 2021 15: 42
                        A sultry woman is not only a poet's dream.

                        Yeah, but also an artist - master of poster painting Isi ... wink And tell me, is she definitely an Ethiopian, or, nevertheless, a representative of the common people - Hottentots? drinks It's easier to draw like this - you won't miss with a brush! laughing
                        We have been pouring from the sky for the second day without ceasing.

                        We do not have. But it's cool. And you, by the way, since you are sitting at home, you could read clever literature ... Yes
                      122. +2
                        20 September 2021 15: 50
                        ... And you, by the way, since you’re sitting at home, you could read some clever literature ..


                        I didn't understand this passage. Explain, be weasel. drinks
                      123. +1
                        20 September 2021 16: 28
                        I didn't understand this passage. Explain, be weasel.

                        You understand everything! laughing Read, for example, about the Hottentots ... Hottentot morality ... about their ruddy kings ... and about other buns from the damned colonialists! fellow Tanks had not yet been invented, so the brave Zoldates Drankel and Zhrankel could not test the "Iron Kaput" on the peaceful plowing Zusuls ... wassat
                      124. +1
                        20 September 2021 16: 37
                        ... on peaceful plowing zusuls


                        "Come to me, I like you,
                        Kiss me, you won't get poisoned ... "(c) laughing

                      125. +3
                        20 September 2021 16: 39
                        Kiss me, you won't get poisoned ...

                        Is this a cancan in the middle of the savannah? Now I vaguely understand the expression "feet in my mouth" ... belay At least the lady in the photo will definitely reach her mouth if necessary. fellow drinks or is it not a lady? belay
                      126. +2
                        20 September 2021 16: 57
                        or is it not a lady? belay

                        They are simple guys, "bush children" laughing lady, not a lady, what's the difference, there is an ass - well, okay. laughing
                      127. +2
                        20 September 2021 17: 02
                        "bush children"

                        Senior or Junior? belay Although, in all honesty, they are more like the children not of Bush, but of Obama, Barack Husseinovich. request
                      128. +1
                        20 September 2021 17: 20
                        Actually, under bush I meant it.
                        Bush (English Bush, Russian bushes, shrubbery) - vast, undeveloped spaces,
                        Well, these laughing


                        Look at the post office, I made you a little happy there. laughing
                      129. +1
                        18 September 2021 14: 36
                        Quote: depressant
                        Napoleon can rape an Ethiopian woman!

                        As far as I know, Napoleon was not offended by temperament. I even read somewhere that he often satisfied virgins who wanted to "take communion" with the sperm of a great man.
        2. +6
          17 September 2021 15: 17
          Quote: depressant
          And the magnetic storm began yesterday and, by the way, continues today.

          Lyudmila Yakovlevna hi , there is no storm. The geomagnetic environment is extremely calm:
          http://ipg.geospace.ru/weekly-geomagnetic-forecast.html
          1. +6
            17 September 2021 15: 28
            Igor, good afternoon!)))
            So the forecasters made the schedule: today is still, the 22nd and 26th!
            And I believed them! crying )))
            That is probably why illness breaks through me according to their schedule. wassat )))
            1. +7
              17 September 2021 15: 39
              And I believed them!


              I can't either, I confess right away. laughing
              1. +4
                17 September 2021 15: 46
                I didn't know that Muller was hiding under the nickname "Sea Cat"! Which is characterized as follows:
                executioner and war criminal, cunning and cynical person. However, the audience loves it! They love him almost like Stirlitz!
                Kostya, is this ... you? crying wassat ))))
                1. +4
                  17 September 2021 16: 01
                  No, I did not reach the Gruppenfuehrer, and if I translate from universal to SS, then I am just a modest Haupscharfuehrer of tank forces, although the other characteristics are quite true, well, except for the executioner and the war criminal, although this is also a profitable business. laughing
            2. +5
              17 September 2021 16: 16
              Suspiciousness! Suspiciousness is to blame for everything! We must be above the Hydrometeorological Center! laughing
              Good day, my friend Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
              Have you ever gone to a choice? wink
              1. +3
                17 September 2021 16: 23
                Good afternoon, dear friend! )))
                Suspiciousness is by no means my everything, bias - yes! wassat )))
                So the elections are supposed to be on Sunday?
                How, sir, I will go, I will definitely go!
                1. +4
                  17 September 2021 16: 27
                  This action began today.
                  It's a sin not to remember a phrase from Cord's song about candidates. laughing However .... we choose the evil. The least.
                  Not a word more about politics.
                  Many thanks to the author for the work! hi
                  1. +4
                    17 September 2021 16: 51
                    Is this from the movie "Elections"?
                    She laughed a lot.
                    1. +3
                      17 September 2021 16: 56
                      "Election Day".

                      Yes, in it! wink
              2. +4
                17 September 2021 19: 04
                Is it possible to climb to the upper floors in Moscow City?
                1. +3
                  17 September 2021 19: 17
                  Are you talking about the flood? )))
                  We are not threatened. Is that because of the rains, the subway is flooded.
                  1. +2
                    17 September 2021 19: 22
                    Lord, when will the flood?!? laughing laughing laughing
                    "and then the elements suddenly intervened again." wink
                    1. +2
                      17 September 2021 19: 36
                      Lord, when will the flood?!?

                      How when? By 2050. The Moscow region will be an island.
                      The enemy will not pass! Is that it will float wassat )))
                      Incidentally, I am not against the status of an island empire.
                  2. +3
                    17 September 2021 20: 57
                    No, this is to be above the Hydrometeorological Center. fellow
                  3. +3
                    17 September 2021 21: 23
                    No. About those who will climb higher than meteorologists.
                2. +4
                  17 September 2021 19: 20
                  So it’s like on Presnya? And the building is so ... unpretentious.

                  Good evening Sergey!
                  1. +3
                    17 September 2021 19: 43
                    Yes, the architecture is not of the best quality. Sorry for Venice. It was built there for centuries, architecture, aesthetics, statues. Sometimes there are videos. Center passage. I can't believe that this is possible. Skillful trade combined with an ineradicable need for beauty that only the rich can afford. And the climate!
                    1. +3
                      17 September 2021 21: 04
                      On the first floors there is constant dampness, on the second there is mold, wood lice and other rubbish everywhere. I would have preferred aesthetics, but with cleanliness and no damp sheets. request
                      1. +2
                        17 September 2021 21: 49
                        You are capricious, Kostya ...
                        Probably, don't put the cow in the hut in the frosty weather.
                      2. +2
                        18 September 2021 18: 35
                        Probably, don't put the cow in the hut in the frosty weather.

                        You shouldn't be so. He loves animals very much. Ask yourself.
                    2. +3
                      17 September 2021 21: 27
                      "O Venice! City of lovers ...." wink
                      1. +2
                        17 September 2021 22: 10
                        O Venice, the city of lovers ...

                        Masks allowed you not to recognize people you were unpleasant.
                  2. +5
                    17 September 2021 21: 28
                    Good evening, Seryozha!

                    It's good that there is someone to monitor the weather, even if:

                    “We sleep in the warmth, in the middle lane,
                    They chose the city as an eternal base ”(c).
                    1. +3
                      17 September 2021 21: 52
                      No need to sleep in the middle lane.
                      For it is a violation of traffic rules.
                      1. +3
                        17 September 2021 22: 00
                        Yeah. The song is sung - you don't notice. And you start typing letters - and you look: the author said clumsily. But good.
                      2. +2
                        17 September 2021 22: 07
                        But if you compose your own words from the letters suggested by the song, the clumsy is transformed into a pleasant meaning.
                      3. +2
                        18 September 2021 02: 00
                        What's so nice about that? Unless, wait for the repair on the highway. And even then - you will not fall asleep.
                      4. +3
                        18 September 2021 07: 06
                        It all depends on the culture of the person who folds. Profanity is optional.
            3. +4
              17 September 2021 19: 01
              Believing is good. But good news. And then, if they come from good people.
              1. +4
                17 September 2021 19: 23
                Good people are professionals who can turn any bad news into good news.
                1. +4
                  17 September 2021 21: 02
                  Yeah, especially from the TV box. I would bring all these professionals to the wall, put them under a machine gun and ask them to tell the good news. And from those who came to look and listen to the people, I would take a ruble, for a day I would get rich. negative
                  1. +4
                    17 September 2021 21: 30
                    “I put it against the wall, through one.
                    And he sent a loaded dump truck towards them ”(c).
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                  3. +2
                    17 September 2021 21: 58
                    I would take a ruble, get rich in a day

                    You, Kostya, are all in the new time - imbued with the spirit of commerce. The TV box has reached its goal, applauds while standing.
                    1. +2
                      17 September 2021 22: 01
                      I don't watch it and I don't have it.
                      1. +2
                        17 September 2021 22: 13
                        The fact that you are not watching TV does not mean that it is not looking at you.
                        I assure you, she's looking after. Neighboring.
                      2. +1
                        18 September 2021 21: 14
                        It’s far from the neighbor’s yard, it doesn’t "finish off". laughing
                      3. +3
                        18 September 2021 22: 32
                        far, does not "finish off".


                        Kostya, everything that you see around you on the street and even at home is the result of the work of the Russian TV. Everything that the American sees around him is the result of the work of the American television.
                      4. +1
                        18 September 2021 22: 37
                        What was before the invention of the television?
                        Or, as one person said after swallowing drugs: "Everything around you smells of oil - and this is the formula of life." In my opinion, his "thought" was somewhat closer to life than the idea of ​​a TV. smile
                      5. +2
                        18 September 2021 23: 25
                        The fact that you do not watch TV does not mean that life, tailored according to its patterns, does not force you to accept its rules.
                        Have you seen a talking head on TV informing you that the Union is no more? Have you seen! You stayed to live in the Union? No! You accepted the TV rule and began to live in Russia. While internally disagreeing, you accepted all the other rules of the TV box, ignoring only the most insignificant of them. The TV was a mediator between you and the authorities. Now his era is leaving, giving way to a computer, which will also be an intermediary with the same functions, but much more sophisticated. And no matter how hard you try, the computer will show you and give you such information, even if it is just an advertisement, what the authorities need to control you according to an algorithm that is beneficial to them, and not to you. But you won't even guess about it. The algorithms with the help of which the authorities will bend you in the direction they want will be developed by artificial intelligence. This is the true meaning of the digital age, not a chip inserted into your body.
                      6. +1
                        19 September 2021 00: 44
                        The fact that the Union no longer existed was clear even without the "talking head" in the TV box, at least to those who lived in the capital.
                        About who accepted what and who did not accept what, let's not discuss, the possibilities are different for everyone.
                        For the rest, each state has its own laws (and lawlessness), which everyone, again, bypasses due to their abilities and capabilities.
                        And the computer, by the way, gives people exactly the information that these people want to perceive.
                        As for artificial intelligence, its wearer is never hungry or painful, and that is why it will never compare with human.
                      7. +2
                        19 September 2021 07: 06
                        Kostya, I won't.
                2. +3
                  17 September 2021 21: 29
                  The vizier introduced himself to the padishah. But it was hard for them.
                  1. +2
                    17 September 2021 21: 59
                    it was hard for them.

                    With each other or alone?
                    1. +2
                      18 September 2021 01: 58
                      First of all, the vizier.
                      1. +3
                        18 September 2021 07: 04
                        Decide what to do with the donkey if the first padishah?
                      2. +2
                        18 September 2021 07: 38
                        Time will write it off. And such frivolous investments in the treasury are not returned.
                      3. +3
                        18 September 2021 07: 52
                        Under the current legislation, soon nothing will be returned to the treasury. Don't ask to name laws. And then I'll name it.
                      4. +2
                        18 September 2021 12: 11
                        I wonder what powers to demand?

                        Here, in front of the house and before the elections, the sidewalk was ripped apart. For a couple of weeks now. And so talented - that at least go on the road, at least take a round.

                        Not the worst thing. But how on time.

                        Renovation, of course, is always renovation. But there is something in this.
                      5. +2
                        18 September 2021 13: 13
                        This is a demonstration of the weakness of a fading organism.
                        View from the west window. We removed the concrete slabs from the path, made sanding, laid a good curb, and filled in gravel. Two weeks. It is high time to lay asphalt.
                        Having indicated an intention before the elections, they cannot bring it to the end. Weakness.
                      6. +2
                        18 September 2021 13: 24
                        Unfortunately, you can't argue. Signs.

                        And at the same time, autumn is mild. And the people are energetic enough.
                      7. +3
                        18 September 2021 13: 53
                        Energetic people stomp past the gravel path. Nobody wants to beat shoes on sharp corners.
                        Autumn is quiet.
                        The plum under the window is plentiful beyond measure. Showering fruits, it covers the approach to the house. The black leaves on the plum did not fall off after the hurricane. As if glued, and it's scary. The winter seems to be very cold.
                        There is little oxygen in the air.
                      8. +2
                        21 September 2021 05: 27
                        Yes. New paths are formed - Wherever possible.
                      9. +3
                        21 September 2021 07: 29
                        New paths are formed - Wherever possible.

                        Often the ability to draw deep conclusions requires unsightly excuses.
                      10. +2
                        21 September 2021 07: 56
                        What conclusions? Simple: people and paths.
                      11. +3
                        21 September 2021 09: 17
                        What are the conclusions?
                        People and roads of life.
                        Any road starts from a path. Even if it is a path to the entrance.
                      12. +3
                        18 September 2021 18: 22
                        And at the same time, autumn is mild. And the people are energetic enough.

                        Straight some kind of holiday! The third prodigal son is back! Penalty Sergei! drinks
                      13. +1
                        21 September 2021 05: 30
                        That's right!
                        “It is necessary that in the house there were dogs, cats, and a whole bag of friends” (c).
      2. +3
        17 September 2021 16: 08
        Good afternoon. Kostya, where is the guarantee that Moro's horses were killed from this cannon, or maybe General Kornilov was killed from it?
        1. +3
          17 September 2021 16: 13
          What Kornilov, Lavra Georgievich? wassat
          1. +2
            17 September 2021 18: 46
            Naturally Lavr Grigorievich. I don’t know anything else, do you?
            1. +5
              17 September 2021 18: 55
              Vice-Admiral Kornilov, Vladimir Alekseevich.



              And the cannon in the picture is more consistent in time with his death in Sevastopol, in the Civil, there were no longer such weapons in the armies.
              1. +1
                18 September 2021 06: 42
                I forgot about him
            2. +2
              17 September 2021 21: 30
              And the monument has a place to be, and a weapon too, the City of Sevastopol. bully
              1. +2
                18 September 2021 18: 33
                And the monument has a place to be, and a weapon too, the City of Sevastopol.

                Great hero! Under him, the first battle of the ships was won .. soldier
                1. +2
                  18 September 2021 21: 35
                  At the beginning of the Crimean War, the steamship-frigate "Vladimir" joined the group of steam ships under the command of the Chief of Staff of the Black Sea Fleet, Vice-Admiral VA Kornilov. On November 5, 1853, "Vladimir" entered the first battle of steam ships in history - the 10-gun Turkish-Egyptian armed steamer "Pervaz-Bahri" (Lord of the Seas) was attacked.
                  The commander of the "Vladimir" Lieutenant-Commander GI Butakov, used the advantage of the "Vladimir" - high maneuverability, as a result, after an artillery battle, the Turks surrendered, lowering the flag.

  2. +8
    17 September 2021 06: 32
    Great!
  3. +8
    17 September 2021 06: 40
    Great continuation of the cycle and I guess it's not over yet. smile good
    Ahead was the whole era of the Napoleonic Wars. But that is another story.
    Author:

    1. VLR
      +10
      17 September 2021 07: 27
      Yes, we'll talk about France and the Napoleonic Wars later. Absolutely - about Her, Augereau, Eugene Beauharnais, the Polish legions of Bonaparte, and also, apparently, about Lannes. Further - how it will go, until I thought about staying in that time or leaving for another. But first, the promised article about Solzhenitsyn's personality and his "work", it seems to me, is very informative and not bad. And, of course, objective, I don't have biased ones.
      1. +4
        17 September 2021 07: 54
        ... an article about the personality of Solzhenitsyn and his "work",

        Hmmm, a spoonful of castor oil on a glass of mulled wine ... Well, somehow it is possible about him, although at one time I read it with difficulty and only because it was then "fashionable", and it was interesting to understand what it was from many squeak with delight at him.
        1. +5
          17 September 2021 08: 11
          No, I disagree: it is necessary to write about Solzhenitsyn, no matter how disgusting it is. Because they are now secretly treating our children in schools. And this is not at all harmless, but, on the contrary, very dangerous. Solzhenitsyn has a huge number of mistakes, manipulations, outright lies. moreover, all these "mistakes" are in one direction - if at least 20% were in the other, it would still be possible to speak of their accident. But he is not "wrong" - he is lying. And his lies still do great harm to Russia. It is necessary to write about this - and the more often the better. I hope it will be written exactly as it should.
          1. +4
            17 September 2021 08: 13
            No, I disagree


            With what?
            1. +4
              17 September 2021 08: 21
              Well, I thought that you have a negative attitude towards publications on this topic ("a spoonful of castor oil").
              1. +4
                17 September 2021 08: 26
                I have not a word about it. Disgusting, but it is necessary, like castor oil, to take in other cases.
        2. +8
          17 September 2021 11: 59
          at one time I read it with difficulty and only because it was then "fashionable", and it was interesting


          My mother "got" Solzhenitsyn's books, read them, admired them. Under the influence of her opinion, I began to read "The Red Wheel". However - a strange language, falsity from the first lines, a claim to "oracularity" ...
          Oh, I decided, I won't! I watched "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich", if I was not mistaken in the title. An extremely trivial story, many of which were told at the "get-togethers" in our house. Artistic value is zero.
          A writer must at least be sincere in his beliefs and delusions. Solzhenitsyn seemed to me to be just a man with limited talent, playing on a market theme at someone's order.
          Well, God bless him! Not interesting.
          1. +5
            17 September 2021 12: 01
            Not interesting.


            That's it! good
          2. +3
            17 September 2021 16: 24
            From the word, absolutely! And terrible, improbable for a "classic and a beacon" laughing laughing laughing clumsy language of presentation!
            1. +2
              17 September 2021 16: 30
              clumsy language of presentation!

              And this, according to rumors, children learn at school!
        3. +1
          18 September 2021 06: 47
          For approximately the same reasons, I undertook to read, but I was able to: his style is very "light". Probably read about a quarter, and then threw it to the Gretz.
      2. +4
        17 September 2021 08: 48
        Valery, what about your promise to "return to Russia"?
        1. VLR
          +5
          17 September 2021 08: 57
          To one degree or another, all these articles are related to Russia. Especially about the Polish legions.
          1. +4
            17 September 2021 10: 06
            Quote: VlR
            To one degree or another, all these articles are related to Russia. Especially about the Polish legions.

            This is only indirectly related to the history of Russia. The "Polish legions" concern Russia only by the fact that the Poles wanted to gain independence from Russia. They believed that Napoleon would create the Polish state.
            We were told about the history of the revolutionary Kosciuszko. Paradox: revolutionary, but served the emperor
      3. +5
        17 September 2021 09: 18
        Hello, this is Katya. Valery, could you tell us about the verb: "raguser" why did it happen and how true are Mormon's accusations?
        1. VLR
          +4
          17 September 2021 09: 21
          It is better to read about this in the article "Napoleon's First Abdication":
          https://topwar.ru/153083-pervoe-otrechenie-napoleona.html
          1. +4
            17 September 2021 09: 44
            Oh, Katka climbed in again. Perhaps for the last time: promises to register
            1. +6
              17 September 2021 11: 35
              Oh, Katka climbed in again. Perhaps for the last time: promises to register

              It’s time, Vera, she really did register. laughing And then we are confused. wink And it's more pleasant to chat with two girls at the same time than taking turns ... feel The Sea Cat will confirm this! lol
              1. +6
                17 September 2021 11: 59
                ... with two girls ... nicer ...

                Sea Cat will confirm!

                Here we go again! As soon as Captain Mikhailov comes up with a speech on his favorite topic No. 4 in the PPR, he immediately starts pushing everything onto me, they get confused in the "young ladies", and again nod in my direction. I understand that in this slippery issue, the main thing is to switch attention from your person to your neighbor. bully
                1. +6
                  17 September 2021 12: 01
                  I understand that in this slippery issue, the main thing is to switch attention from your person to your neighbor.

                  That is, you do not share my opinion that it is more pleasant to chat with two girls? winked
                  1. +7
                    17 September 2021 12: 09
                    Non-stop chatter and one young lady can drive into the coffin any, even the most stubborn man. I always believed that they chatted among themselves, or without stopping on the phone, chatting, this is their privilege, I, nine times out of ten, have nothing to talk to them about. It is clear why we have here, on "history", only two women, and not a bunch of women?
                    1. +3
                      17 September 2021 13: 07
                      It is clear why we have here, on "history", only two women, and not a bunch of women?

                      Uncle Kostya, our company, in many ways, is generally unique. Do you remember how Igor "Leader of the Redskins" said (better definition!): "As if gathered, as usual, to drink tea mentally." drinks Well, maybe not a seagull ... wink
                      1. +3
                        17 September 2021 13: 47
                        Schnapps, Hauptsturmführer, schnapps! And no appetizers, please! drinks soldier
                  2. +1
                    18 September 2021 15: 26
                    On the one hand, it is, of course, more pleasant. But if you look comprehensively, remember the song "If I were a Sultan ..."?
                    1. +1
                      18 September 2021 18: 18
                      On the one hand, it is, of course, more pleasant. But if you look comprehensively, remember the song "If I were a Sultan ..."?

                      Where have you gone ??? Penalty! drinks Miss you!
              2. +3
                17 September 2021 12: 52
                She is a pig from us: she took and commented several times. I demanded that she introduce herself.
                Usually, if we have free time, we read, and I started to introduce the site. Valery was just there when I gave the girls to read for the first time
                1. +6
                  17 September 2021 12: 58
                  Usually, if we have free time, we read, and I started to introduce the site. Valery was just there when I gave the girls to read for the first time

                  Register and come. Do not be rude to others and do not swear - the most important rules of the site. hi Further - communication! love
                  1. +5
                    17 September 2021 13: 21
                    Register and come.


                    As you wish, but my instinct tells me that these are not two girls, but one grandmother in the role of two "girls". I will never believe that "Katya's girlfriend" does not have her own mobile phone (now everyone has one!), And "Vera's girlfriend", who managed to register on VO, would stubbornly not help "Katya's girlfriend" with a similar registration. It's just unprofitable for a grandmother to have two mobile phones, one of which, as it were, should belong to "the girl Katya". But there was also a "girl Zulka", which had to be prudently abandoned.
                    1. 0
                      21 September 2021 06: 16
                      "It is unprofitable for a grandmother to have two mobile phones" I have a second phone, but I do not need it.
                    2. +1
                      21 September 2021 20: 18

                      And just one phone! laughing
                      Oh yes! Two! But one is not needed. wink
      4. +6
        17 September 2021 11: 33
        Yes, we'll talk about France and the Napoleonic Wars later.

        Valery, I bow for the mini-cycle! Very good!
        The great Alexander Suvorov died on May 8, 1800 in St. Petersburg, never having met on the battlefield with the French commander, whom he put on a par with Hannibal and Julius Caesar. Ahead was the whole era of the Napoleonic Wars. But that is another story.

        I am no match for you as an author, but a similar phrase was worn in my head. Yes, it's hard to come up with a better conclusion. good I'll leave it for later! drinks

        Pay attention to the painting by Kotzebue. This, by the way, is also the son of August Kotzebue, who was killed by the "dissenting student". Otto's son, if we remember, became our navigator, and Alexander became our artist.


        In the lower left part, a non-commissioned officer with a halberd is clearly visible. Status weapon! Will leave our army after Friedland, it seems.
        1. +3
          17 September 2021 11: 47
          Even looking at the fire shield, Nikolai will find a halberd on it! tongue
          1. +5
            17 September 2021 11: 53
            Even looking at the fire shield, Nikolai will find a halberd on it!

            I'll find an esponton there! tongue



            - Why are you laughing, sir? am

            By the way, only chief officers were entitled to espontons. The staff officers were already entitled to a cane.
            1. +2
              17 September 2021 12: 52
              I'll find an esponton there!

              "- Captain Mikhailov, what do you think looking at a woman?
              - About the esponton.
              - Why esponton?
              - And I always think about him! " tongue
              1. +4
                17 September 2021 12: 56
                And I always think about him!

                We must ask the Sea Cat's opinion about this psychodiagnostic picture! stop

                Captain Mikhailov, what do you think looking at a woman?



                - He, it .. saluted with an esponton? Aha ha ha ha! And who are you, from which? (the hero of V. Sukhorukov).
            2. +1
              17 September 2021 13: 34
              Nikolai, is this Emperor Paul?
              1. +2
                17 September 2021 13: 44
                Nikolai, is this Emperor Paul?

                Yes, the film "Poor, Poor Pavel" is, in my opinion, the best role of Sukhorukov.
                Here is the snippet itself:
          2. +6
            17 September 2021 12: 00
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Even looking at the fire shield, Nikolai will find a halberd on it!

            Good afternoon Anton!
            And what? is quite real:

            If you don’t find fault, it’s fine! wassat
            1. +5
              17 September 2021 12: 17
              If you don’t find fault, it’s fine! wassat

              Sergey, welcome! I, as a sinful thing, thought about the scrap, but the hook is generally chic! good
              1. +5
                17 September 2021 12: 26
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                I, as a sinful thing, thought about scrap

                Against the scrap - no espantone! wassat
                1. +4
                  17 September 2021 13: 13
                  Against the scrap - no espantone!

                  Then I read that the Order of St. Anne was popularized in Russia by Pal Petrovich. It would be necessary to find reliable sources. But that later ... what If you watch the film "Poor. Poor Pavel" - there this order is generously graced on the necks of the characters.
                  The order was introduced in Holstein in honor of his grandmother - Anna Petrovna, daughter of Peter the Great, prematurely deceased mother Peter of the "misunderstanding on the throne" of the Third. And he came to us with the desired "misunderstanding". hi
            2. +5
              17 September 2021 12: 34
              And also a "Norman" type helmet.

              Sergei! hi
              1. +6
                17 September 2021 12: 53
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                And also a "Norman" type helmet.

                Not bad! hi
                Then - Francis:

                and lettuce:
                drinks
                1. +3
                  17 September 2021 12: 56
                  and lettuce:
                  Rather, cappelin.
                  1. +3
                    17 September 2021 13: 47
                    Rather, cappelin.

                    Nope. There is a visor - it means a salad. stop chaplain - here!
                    1. +2
                      17 September 2021 14: 04
                      No, Kolya, this is an early bascinet.
                      1. +2
                        17 September 2021 14: 48
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        it is an early bascinet.

                        Nope, the bascinet is more likely to be like this:
                        wassat
                      2. +3
                        17 September 2021 15: 11
                        Nope, the bascinet is more likely to be like this:

                        Bascinet for Anton, what is the correct name? wink "Bascinet-Antoinette"? tongue
                      3. +2
                        17 September 2021 15: 13
                        This is a later version. Initially, the bascinet is a hemispherical helmet without a visor, it was used as an underarmor under
                        topfhelm.
                      4. +2
                        17 September 2021 15: 18
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        topfhelm

                        Firefighters must have a red topfhelm, otherwise it is not according to the charter:
                        hi
                      5. +2
                        17 September 2021 15: 21
                        Firefighters must have red topfhelm

                        And if you attach it to its feathers in front, then the armored hussar will turn out. laughing
                      6. +2
                        17 September 2021 15: 23
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        And if you attach it to its feathers in front, then the armored hussar will turn out.

                        And by the way, the "wild but cute ghost" in topfhelm:
                        wassat
                      7. +2
                        17 September 2021 15: 35
                        And with a halberd.
                      8. +2
                        17 September 2021 15: 36
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        And with a halberd

                        a shvalebard (this is a Swabian halberd!) wassat
                      9. +2
                        17 September 2021 15: 38
                        Why Swabian? Swedish!
                      10. +3
                        17 September 2021 15: 41
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Why Swabian? Swedish!

                        Swedish is a Schwalebard, and a Schwalebard is a Swabian wassat
                      11. +3
                        17 September 2021 15: 44
                        Swedish is a Schwalebard, and a Schwalebard is a Swabian

                        He will hide from the Belgian - with the belebard. laughing
                      12. +3
                        17 September 2021 15: 52
                        And we with such glaives will take, and we'll get to Alice!
                      13. +3
                        17 September 2021 16: 19
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        And we with such glaives will take, and we'll get to Alice!


                        We went to Alice ... drinks
                      14. +2
                        17 September 2021 16: 21
                        We went to Alice ...

                        These flooded with kuzov. laughing And with a cat on a leash.
                      15. +2
                        17 September 2021 16: 22
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        These flooded with kuzov.

                        Okay, so be it:
                        And we will take such bodies, and we will go to Alice ... wassat
                      16. +3
                        17 September 2021 16: 24
                        And we will take such bodies, and we will go to Alice ...

                        That's right, and we will teach her how to hold an esponton correctly - cheerfully and proudly! wassat drinks
                      17. +3
                        17 September 2021 15: 33
                        And the border guards have green?
                  2. +3
                    17 September 2021 13: 48
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Rather, cappelin.

                    Well, let there be a cappelin with a visor hi
        2. +2
          17 September 2021 13: 31
          Nikolay, what kind of navigator are you talking about?
          I remember: Kruzenshtern, Belenshausen, and Kotzebue?
          1. +3
            17 September 2021 13: 45
            I remember: Kruzenshtern, Belenshausen, and Kotzebue?

            Otto Evstafievich Kotzebue, Vera. He circled the globe in the Rurik brig.
            1. 0
              21 September 2021 06: 03
              I did not know this
    2. +7
      17 September 2021 11: 48
      "however, this is a completely different story" (c)
  4. +6
    17 September 2021 07: 32
    Valentine Green. Field Marshal Count Suvorov-Rymniksky ("from an original drawing made in Milan in May 1799 by Lieutenant Fris, dragoon of the Karachaevsky regiment"). This elderly, but courageous and self-confident man does not look too much like a caricatured old man of Russian paintings.


    the list from the figure can hardly be called reliable.

    And here is the original portrait from life, made by the Saxon artist Schmidt in the same 1799 in Prague

    Nothing caricature and such Suvorov we know.
  5. +10
    17 September 2021 08: 23
    It seems to me that if history textbooks were written the way this article is - lively, dynamically, in good language, history in our country would know much better than now.
    1. +7
      17 September 2021 08: 45
      Colleague, vet you are absolutely right. Valery has a living story
    2. 0
      17 September 2021 09: 05
      I disagree. The author of the article has too many gags and guesses:
      1) The Egyptian army of Napoleon was in a large African cage, from which she had no way to get out. - and yet she got out
      2) But who are they for Joubert?

      He certainly put himself on a higher level of the military hierarchy. - from where does the author know this?
      3) Now he rode into their ranks on horseback, which was another mistake. - that is, 100% if you were on foot and stayed alive?
      4) The French have lost more than half of their personnel - where does this data come from?
      5) But instead of going to Paris, Suvorov was sent by the Austrians to Switzerland. - Was this trip possible?
      1. VLR
        +4
        17 September 2021 09: 31
        On the first point: the Egyptian expedition ended, in fact, in disaster. General Kleber, who was left in charge, was killed. Those troops that returned to France were released on humiliating terms. Moreover, they brought trachoma with them.
        On the second: the logic of events - Joubert acts very boldly, not paying attention to the experience of his predecessors. He thinks that he will cope better?
        On the third:
        Imagine, see, that someone enters the ranks of the enemy infantry on horseback - in uniform and with an escort. And who could it be? Probably some kind of boss? And if we shoot at him a little? So, just in case. And if he were on foot, maybe no one would pay attention.
        On the fourth: the sanitary losses of the French killed, wounded, captured more than 20 thousand people. Almost all artillery was lost.
        On the fifth: the campaign to France was possible along the way of Bonaparte's first invasion of Italy - past Genoa. This is dangerous, because - a narrow strip between the mountains and the coast, the Austrians simply did not expect that Bonaparte would dare to go like this. But Moro's defeated army was not capable of interfering with Suvorov. In any case, it was no more dangerous than climbing into the Alps.
        1. +6
          17 September 2021 10: 02
          When Suvorov was asked how he would have fought against France, he sketched out a plan for the company, with a concentration of troops on the Rhine and a quick march to Paris. Without looking back at Italy, which, in his opinion, was not needed in FIG. But he was forced to mess with the French there.
          Whether there was any benefit for Russia in this fuss - I'm not sure. Was it worth fighting off Italy from France for Austria? But Suvorov's invasion of France itself could put an end to the Republic and direct the history of Europe in a slightly different direction.
          An interesting alternative ...
          1. VLR
            +5
            17 September 2021 10: 08
            Well, if you are not in Italy at the start of the campaign against France, then, yes, the Rhine is better.
            And so, in fact, there was no reason to fight with France. It was necessary to solve problems in our south at this time, while the neighbors were busy. And for any help they will be ready to make concessions later, even the Bosphorus is recognized by the Russians for the 100-thousandth army - even Bonaparte, even though his opponents. You can bargain.
            1. +3
              17 September 2021 14: 12
              And so, in fact, there was no reason to fight with France.

              The more you read about Pal Petrovich, the more, unfortunately, you find some weak, but analogies with Eva's papa. what One of the reasons ... was Malta! As a "sacred possession" of the Grand Master. soldier
              Here I must also say "why did Pal Petrovich and Alexander Vasilich quarrel". wassat Somewhere I saw fragmentary information, from which the impression was formed that Suvorov, despite the defeat of Rimsky-Korsakov and the betrayal of the Austrians, apparently intended to continue the war. fellow Moreover, he continued to grimace and bliss - he spoke loudly about his intention to appear in St. Petersburg in the form of an Austrian field marshal. request Apparently, this was the real reason for the emperor's anger, and not a formal pretext that, they say, "the commander kept with him one particular general on duty, and did not change them systematically according to the decree of the sovereign". hi
              1. +4
                17 September 2021 14: 28
                Yes, it looks like Malta. In the end, the British got it.
                At the "Digital History" Boris Kipnis is now giving a series of lectures on the Italian campaign of Suvorov. We must listen. Kipnis is a good specialist and has an interesting story.
                1. +3
                  17 September 2021 14: 41
                  Yes, it looks like Malta. In the end, the British got it.

                  By the way, after all the wars, they also got Zakynthos. It was interesting to wander around the local fort. It is huge, and rises gently up the slope - the dominant height over the harbor, you take it. Apparently, some kind of structure was there even during the time of the ancient Greeks. Above the gate is the Venetian symbol - the winged lion. Then the foundations of the 19th century English barracks. And finally, the icing on the cake - at the very top of the mountain - a WWII Nazi bunker! A parade of eras!
                  1. +4
                    17 September 2021 15: 15
                    They got a lot of things ... Therefore, some of their comrades hate them. Apparently, for what they would be proud of ...
                    1. +3
                      17 September 2021 15: 17
                      Therefore, some comrades hate them. Apparently, for what they would be proud of ...

                      Owning Malta would be just as difficult and dubious as owning Holstein ... what For us! Given our geographic and geopolitical location ...
                      1. +3
                        17 September 2021 18: 02
                        What is the problem of owning Holstein for Russia within the borders of the mid-18th century? They would finally get control over the exit from at least one puddle (the Ayderkanal was actually built by 1784).
                        A very useful acquisition, much more valuable than East Prussia. The forthcoming Danish campaign of Peter III is not as meaningless as it is usually presented.
                      2. +1
                        18 September 2021 18: 12
                        A very useful acquisition, much more valuable than East Prussia. The forthcoming Danish campaign of Peter III is not as meaningless as it is usually presented.

                        Nikita, hello! From my point of view, it was impossible to keep that piece of land within the framework of the European geopolitics of the 18th century. Like Alaska a hundred years later. We need a large population, well-established logistics, a number of troops. We are losing on all counts. hi
                        And, by the way ... let's wait what will happen to our Far East in twenty years ... It is for the same reasons, my dear friend! request
                      3. +2
                        18 September 2021 19: 31
                        Let me disagree:
                        Holstein differs radically from Alaska.
                        1. There is already a white population and a very large one - the Germans, in fact. There is no particular reason to doubt their loyalty to the Russian Empire: there would have been "Westsee" Germans, that's all. The Germans served, for example, the Swedes, when they owned a piece of Pomerania and did not groan (including when they were at war with the Prussians).
                        2. Logistics in Holstein is better than most of the Russian provinces - the Baltic Sea, which has been fully mastered by the Russian fleet. The path of Spiridov's squadron from St. Petersburg to Copenhagen took 1 month. If we take the distance from Riga to Lubeck, it will be two, two and a half weeks. Much better. In principle, the Seven Years' War demonstrated quite clearly the advantages of supply by sea. The same recruits began to be transported to the army across the Baltic, reducing the mortality rate by about 10 times.
                        3. The number of troops - in Holstein you can plant a large grouping, there are fortresses, agriculture is developed. And with whom to fight? Danes? Swedes? The Russian army is not rivals. Prussia still has no interests at sea.
                      4. +2
                        20 September 2021 09: 02
                        Interesting thoughts. what I bow. drinks
                        Swedes? The Russian army is not rivals.

                        The Swedes, just, were a rival until the last Russian-Swedish war. True, not so lucky anymore.
                  2. +3
                    17 September 2021 15: 34
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    Above the gate is the Venetian symbol - the winged lion.


                    Type of this? hi
                    1. +3
                      17 September 2021 15: 39
                      Type of this?

                      Yes exactly. Yes
            2. +3
              17 September 2021 14: 50
              Quote: VlR
              I had to solve problems in my south at this time,

              Catherine's position. That is why she did not interfere in these showdowns because she thought so.
              And, of course, we are at the level of afterthought, knowing how the matter ended up (Napoleon, Austerlitz, Moscow, Waterloo), we can talk about what should have been done. smile
              But if the French Republic was destroyed with Suvorov's bayonets in 1799, and Bonaparte's rising star was trampled by a Russian boot ... In any case, Tatishchev's chronicles would not have burned out in 1812 - already a plus. smile
              1. 0
                17 September 2021 18: 13
                Catherine's position. That is why she did not interfere in these showdowns because she thought so.

                Catherine quite planned to actively intervene on the side of the 1st coalition, especially after the execution of Louis. The destruction of Poland and the Kosciuszko uprising were distracting.
                1. +2
                  17 September 2021 19: 09
                  One can argue for a long time about what she planned. But at the time of her death, the Russian armies were going to the Transcaucasus, and not to Europe.
        2. +4
          17 September 2021 10: 17
          Imagine, you see, that someone enters the ranks of the enemy infantry on horseback - in uniform and with an escort.

          Well, he's the commander ... In the battle on Alma, our officers pranced among the infantry on horses in white uniforms, Crimea, after all, and the ladies are watching from a hillock. But in the days of Joubert, there were few rifled weapons, he had a chance, but ours did not have such a chance and they were knocked off their horses by English bullets from rifles ... natural selection
          1. +4
            17 September 2021 18: 38
            our officers pranced among the infantry on horseback in white uniforms

            It will not make it difficult for you to point out in which regiment of the Russian army that participated in the battle of Alma, the officers wore white uniforms?

            About the ladies - also an interesting detail. Fenty, of course.
            they were knocked off their horses by English rifle bullets ... natural selection

            You have somewhat exaggerated possibilities about the capabilities of mid-19th century rifled weapons. And yes, the threat came rather from the French, whose actions ensured the victory of the Allies at Alma. In addition, not all of the British army at that time had rifled weapons, even under Inkerman, not all of them.
            R.S. in general, about "prancing" - it would not be bad to open the Military Regulations for Infantry Service in 1846.
            1. +2
              17 September 2021 20: 08
              not all of the British army at that time had a rifled weapon, even under Inkerman not all of them.
              All British in Crimea, except for the 4th division, were armed with rifled weapons. The accurate shooting range was 300 yards, and the lethal range exceeded 100 yards. Rifles in question - Minie pattern 1851 and P53 Enfield.
              1. +2
                17 September 2021 20: 49
                exceeded 100 yards.
                A thousand yards. Zero didn't work on buttons am Yard = 91.5 centimeters.
            2. 0
              18 September 2021 18: 38
              It will not make it difficult for you to point out in which regiment of the Russian army that participated in the battle of Alma, the officers wore white uniforms?

              By the way, the regular leather helmets were immediately removed and thrown away, mostly. Inconvenient and hard!
        3. +1
          17 September 2021 10: 42
          You wrote that the Egyptian army could not get out in any way, but it got out. It's not about how to evaluate this adventure.
          "By 2: the logic of events - Joubert acts very bravely, ignoring the experience of his predecessors. He thinks he can do it better?" - that is, he did not write in letters that he is smarter, or even as it means this is your idea.
          For 3 - why did you decide that he drove into the ranks of enemies? All that is written about this episode is that the general led the attack and was hit by a bullet at the beginning. Everything. And given the "accuracy" of rifles of that time, he could have been struck even while sitting not on a horse.
          For 4 - data on losses are usually indicated 10-12 (including prisoners and wounded). The total number of the French army is estimated at 000-35. More than half does not work.
          By 5 - I did not ask about the route. I asked if such a campaign was possible, given the distance (almost 1000 km), the landscape, the fact that it would be necessary to go through enemy territory, French troops, etc. In this era, at least 1/3 of the losses accounted for non-combat losses during the transitions, as well as garrisons, the protection of communications, etc. Napoleon, having passed the same 1000 km to Borodino, could have led 120 people out of almost 000. The rest fell behind, fell ill, deserted or remained to cover the flanks and communications. How much would Suvorov have left out of 600?
          1. +5
            17 September 2021 11: 22
            ... that he could have been struck while not on a horse.

            And what would he sit on during the attack? An interesting passage, probably, is still on the butt, however, when getting into the saddle, this part of the body is also exploited. laughing

            But seriously, getting from a firearm into a full-length figure is always easier than into a sitting one, and even more so into a lying one, and a figure sitting on a horse almost doubles in size. This is purely for practical rifle shooting, Valery has already explained the rest of the nuances. hi
            1. +9
              17 September 2021 11: 42
              Valery has already explained the rest of the nuances.
              Unfortunately, very little attention has been paid to the battle itself ... Although I agree - it is impossible to fit everything in one article here.
              In the end, Suvorov decided to give battle in this position imposed on him.
              Believing that the youth and hot temper of the French commander would make him get carried away in pursuit of the retreating enemy, Suvorov gave an order unusual for himself. For the first time in his entire military career, Suvorov ordered to retreat. His order, given to the commanders of the outposts located in the mountains on the route of the French, reached us: do not get involved in a battle with superior forces, only defend against small detachments. But try to take prisoners. The prisoners were needed by the Russian commander in order to thoroughly know the plans of the enemy. Moreover: Suvorov ordered Bagration to leave Novi and the newly captured Seravelle fortress without a fight and retreat to join the main forces. It seemed to Suvorov more important to lure the French to the plain than to hold the fortresses in the mountains. However, Joubert, assessing the strength of the opposing army, preferred not to descend on the plain. His army, occupying positions in the mountains, relied on the Novi fortress, surrounded by stone walls and having high towers. From these walls and towers, as well as from the rocks, using large boulders as cover, the French could effectively fire at the advancing Russian and Austrian troops, remaining out of reach for return fire. In addition, the allied army would have to advance over very rough terrain with ravines, narrow rivulets with steep banks, wattle fences and other obstacles, which did not allow the allies to effectively use the cavalry at their disposal. In fact, the army of Suvorov before the battle immediately "steal" by 9 thousand people. All the above considerations allowed the prominent military theorist K. Clausewitz to write that the position of the French at Novi was extremely strong in the front. So the defense was beneficial to Joubert. But Suvorov this time was forced to act in his usual offensive manner by the will of the enemy, and not by his own considerations. Formally, Joubert conceded the initiative to Suvorov, in fact, he retained his own. Another commander in the place of Alexander Vasilyevich probably would not have dared to accept such a challenge, but Suvorov was determined to win.
              1. +9
                17 September 2021 11: 48
                Hello Leader! smile Where did you go, everything is all right, I hope? hi
                1. +10
                  17 September 2021 12: 11
                  Hello Leader!
                  Frightened blowing out the candle: “Who is here?” Ah, it's you .. I practically don't recognize anyone, because I got a little blind from the glitter of gold on the epaulettes - where I ended up, only marshals! Glad to see everyone in good health and good spirits!
                  everything is all right, I hope?
                  Do not wait!
                  1. +8
                    17 September 2021 12: 15
                    Do not wait!

                    Great Leader, by the way, I want to ask the same question? Where have you been? drinks Penalty mug of fiery water to the Leader! And a pipe of peace! wink
            2. +2
              17 September 2021 13: 23
              Jubert could lead the attack on foot.

              My comment was just about the fact that Jubert could have been shot even if he had not been on a horse. This is the case ...
              Of course, thanks about the dimensions, only this does not apply to what I have written.
              1. +7
                17 September 2021 13: 36
                This is the case ...

                Who knows, they always tried to knock out the officers in the first place. This is an axiom.
  6. +6
    17 September 2021 08: 43
    Good morning, colleagues, Valery. "little-known Russian general Mikhail Bulatov" due to the fact that he accepted the surrender of Sen Cyr, his name was preserved in history. Otherwise, only the heirs could remember him: "one of our relatives fought with Napoleon. It seems that this is his portrait, but I'm not sure. Perhaps, grandmother knows something more?" And so: "Bulatov who took the sword of Sen Cyr himself"
  7. +5
    17 September 2021 09: 32
    Wonderful article!

    This difficult transition ended on September 30, 1799. And on October 9, the frigate Muiron entered the port of Fréjus, and General Bonaparte set foot on French soil.


    The article is remarkable in that it demonstrates the truth - you cannot play with fate! She's insidious! Self-confident to the extreme, self-confident, seeing in them competitors, does not like.
  8. +10
    17 September 2021 11: 18
    Thanks to the author for a wonderful series of articles on an interesting topic!
    "Destroy the first line with bayonets, overturn the rest."
    It is noteworthy that Suvorov did not dare to entrust the disposition of the battle to paper. The only "disposition" that has come down to us is his order to the Austrian general Kraj, whose corps was supposed to be the first to start the battle. "Long live the saber and the bayonet! No disgusting retreat! Destroy the first line with bayonets, overturn the rest. The reserve will not stand, because Bellegarde and the Hero's Edge are with us," wrote Suvorov. He wrote in German, so these stingy and absolutely non-specific lines turned into poetry. Suvorov flattered the Krai - but in fact did not define its task in any way. The reason, probably, lay in the fact that the Russian field marshal feared that there would be no enemy agents among the Austrian staff officers or in the gofkrigsrat - the policy of the gofkrigsrat, who held back the offensive impulse of Suvorov's troops throughout July and eventually led to the fact that it was necessary to take the battle in the most unfavorable conditions, inevitably forced to fear the worst. However, one must assume that Suvorov provided his commanders with exhaustive oral instructions, for both the Land and Bagration, who later joined the battle, acted with the accuracy of a working clockwork.
    The officers who were next to him claimed that, dying, the commander said:

    “Come on! Always step on!
    There is room for belles lettres. According to some sources, he simply fell off his horse, killed on the spot. According to other recollections, he said: “Forward! Go guys! " According to other sources, he managed to get a medallion with a portrait of his beloved and lost consciousness, died a few hours later. The death of such personalities is always surrounded by a romantic veil ...
  9. +5
    17 September 2021 12: 31
    Comrades, but such a question: Did the Derektoria know that a coup was being prepared? If Joubert had stayed where he was, what could they have done in Derektoria? Most likely he would have been transferred to hell
    PS. In 1958, the authorities were careful that Charles de Gaulle would not repeat the Napoleonic coup and kept him away from the army. Fortunately, he was formally retired
    1. VLR
      +1
      17 September 2021 17: 50
      Well, Sieyes himself was the director. Intriguer and conspirator, noble and experienced. Other directors understood that they were sitting on a barrel of gunpowder. The same Barras, with the help of Augereau sent by Bonaparte, recently dispersed the deputies. The question was - who will disperse everyone this time? When? And with whose help?
  10. +3
    17 September 2021 13: 42
    Valery, we are now comparing Suvorov's portraits and wanted to know your opinion: which Suvorov is closer to the original: yours or Andrei "Olgovich"?
    1. VLR
      +4
      17 September 2021 14: 21
      Neither I nor he saw Suvorov, and therefore it is impossible to answer this question. One can only try to suggest that many well-known caricatured portraits depicting a hereditary military and stern commander who spent his whole life on campaigns in the form of some kind of funny cunningly kind old man are far from the original.
      1. +4
        17 September 2021 14: 36
        One can only try to suggest that many well-known caricatured portraits depicting a hereditary military and stern commander who spent his whole life on campaigns in the form of some kind of funny cunningly kind old man are far from the original.

        To the question of pictures. Here is a group portrait by I.-B. Lampi "Emperor Paul I with his retinue" (State Museum-Reserve "Gatchina", oil on canvas 265x365). Thirteen horsemen are depicted. Emperor Paul I with his sons Grand Dukes Alexander and Constantine, next to the emperor the Hungarian stole Stephen-Joseph, and courtiers A.A. Bezborodko, P.A. Zubov, A.L. Naryshin, A.B. Kurakin, P.A. von der Palen, I.P. Kutaisov, A.V. Suvorov, A.S. Kologrivov, P.V. Lopukhin.


        There is a column to the right, Suvorov to the left of it (in other words, the third from the right). These historical figures have never been collected together.
        1. +3
          17 September 2021 14: 52
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          These historical figures have never been collected together.

          And who is in metal armor? Palen? hi
          1. +3
            17 September 2021 14: 54
            And who is in metal armor? Palen?

            This is a white uniform. Yes he. Between him and Suvorov is the scoundrel Kutaisov. Last year Anton and I had the pleasure of contemplating this picture - the exhibition in Gatchina began with it.
      2. +3
        17 September 2021 16: 08
        Quote: VlR
        Neither I nor he saw Suvorov,

        But contemporaries saw him and left us "authentic images":

        How do you like this Suvorov?
        Р Р »Рё тР° РєРѕР№?

        And here, in the "role of Suvorov" in general, Washington:
        hi
  11. +3
    17 September 2021 16: 11
    Quote: Sea Cat
    the French continue to argue about who he is - a national hero or a tyrant,

    And what about Stalin in a different way?
    Nobody blames him for anything wassat)))

    They will find it! For example, the fact that he was not homosexual, or vice versa - he raped the unfortunate Ethiopian. laughing

    Good day, and Talleyrand is a witness?
    1. +3
      17 September 2021 16: 44
      Good day, and Talleyrand is a witness?

      He was holding a candle. And he wrote it down. In the faces.
      1. +2
        17 September 2021 18: 44
        Here's what was required to prove
  12. +2
    18 September 2021 09: 39
    I, as always, with some delay.
    1 . I read about the surrender of Saint-Cyr a little differently. What was originally an agreement with the gene. Elena on the free exit of the French troops with weapons and banners, but the Allied High Command violated this treaty (as in a number of other cases)
    2. It is interesting that while fleeing from Ebipt, Napoleon did not take Davout with him, he had to get out on his own.
    3. NYAZ, initially Suvorov planned an attack on Paris from the south. Considering the possible help of the British navy and royalist sentiments in the South of France, this seems real
    1. +1
      18 September 2021 09: 40
      General Klenau. -thanks auto editor