Soviet peasantry of the 20-30s: from tragic to ridiculous

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The peasants are enrolled in the collective farm ...

“Whether it was a farmer or a shepherd, or a desert worker,
everyone, being caught, was subjected to this inevitable fate ... "
The Book of Wisdom of Solomon, 17:16

History of the Soviet state and law. The publication of materials from the archives of the NKVD about the life of Soviet collective farmers, as always, caused an ambiguous reaction from the VO reading audience.

The funny thing is that these four volumes themselves can be read on the Internet today. But read them only one person, although almost everyone who visits VO declares that they are “interested in the history of the Russian state”. They are interested, but they don't read PSRL, they don't read collections of RGVA documents, there is no talk of Soviet newspapers of that time, but "knowledge" is sprinkled out of them.



Many refer to their ancestors, but this is not the source. Some have it with a plus sign, others have a minus sign. The source is a document, thousands, millions of sheets of originals, which are stored in the archives. Or at least the magazines Rodina and Voprosy istorii. But for all seven years of my stay at VO, only one (!) Person wrote that he reads this magazine. And our readers do not even know about the journal "History of State and Law", for all their "cool" Soviet education.

Also with archives. “Our people” do not go there, and if they do, it is in search of genealogies. We do not have a culture of historical knowledge, alas, until now. And you also need to be able to “be interested in history”.

For example, you are interested in the topic of BTT history and you take and read all the books on it from 1980 to 1991. Both in Russian and in English. And as a result, you learn so much from it that this knowledge is enough to publish your own magazine. And the same is the case with any other topic.

But in the end?

The result is a conversation between the sighted and the hearer with the blind and deaf, who a priori reject everything that goes beyond their blindness and deafness. Although on VO and not all are like that. There are many people who, if they do not know anything, then do not persist in their ignorance, but try to expand the boundaries of their awareness, having received information from VO materials.

However, be that as it may, we continue to publish materials on the history of the Soviet village of the 20-30s of the last century.

Soviet village 1920-1930s


Let's start with statistics: in European Russia, the population has decreased from 72 million people. in 1914 to 66 million in 1920. And the decline in the population as a whole throughout the Soviet Union in 1915-1923 is estimated at 25-29 million people. The proportion of young men killed was disproportionately high, and it is understandable why.

This greatly influenced the proportion of men and women in the countryside, and here it is even stronger than in the city. Thus, in 1920, in forty-five provinces of European Russia, there were 19 women per 29 men in the 100-230 age group.

The demobilization did not change the situation much, since most of the demobilized Red Army soldiers settled in the cities. So even six years later, in the villages of the European part of Russia, among the population aged 25–35, there were still 100 women per 129 men.

There were great losses in people, but there were also great losses of livestock, especially horses, which in wartime were requisitioned into the cavalry. As a result, the number of horses decreased from 34 million in 1916 to 23 million in 1923 and did not reach the pre-war level even at the start of collectivization. In 1922, more than a third of the peasant households in the RSFSR did not have draft animals at all.

Along with economic problems, there were also serious problems in the spiritual sphere. There has already been an article on the elimination of illiteracy here on VO.

But what was the situation under the new conditions with the traditional belief in God?

In 1923, the XII Party Congress especially emphasized, referring at the same time to the opinion of the peasants, that one should not allow insulting the feelings of believers, and even more so mockery of their faith. "Komsomol hobbies regarding the closure of churches" were condemned by the congress as a leftist bend. The following year, at the XIII Party Congress, it was again said that “attempts to combat religious prejudices by administrative measures (such as the closure of churches, mosques, synagogues, houses of worship, churches, etc.”) are unacceptable. Unacceptable, however, the process was underway. The churches were closed, and this dynamics slowly but surely gained momentum.

As for the Orthodox Church itself, in the post-revolutionary period it was, as you know, deprived of its position as a state church, most of its property and suffered from uncertainty about its own tomorrow and internal strife. Patriarch Tikhon, the first elected patriarch in two hundred years, faced enormous difficulties. He had not only to manage the affairs of the church, but also to establish relations with the new government.

And the authorities did not stand on ceremony with the church. In 1922, church property - gold, silver and precious stones - was taken from her to help the starving Volga region. Naturally, this aroused the indignation of the churchmen, and the flock met this step ambiguously. In addition, the church split into two camps: followers of Tikhon and supporters of the "living church". Tikhon himself was arrested and had to sign an undertaking stating that he would renounce any anti-Soviet activity.

But how did all this affect the peasantry?

It's very simple. Parish priests living among the peasants traditionally received little or no financial support from the church. Therefore, they lived on what the parishioners gave them, primarily on payment for the services. The clergy in the countryside were indifferent to the rivalry between the Tikhonites and the "living church", since they were far from the top, but there were plenty of problems of their own.

The fact is that the village councils often took away the land and houses from the priests, because, they say, they are parasites, “living on unearned income,” therefore they have no rights to them. It is not surprising that during the Civil War, priests in droves fled to the whites, and those who remained often renounced their dignity and were appointed teachers, went to secretaries of village councils, became rural clerks, journalists (!), Promoted atheism (!), Were engaged in agriculture and even carpentry. At least one village priest is known who led the drama club and even played on stage himself, and his most favorite roles were the priests, whom (well, of course!), He played simply masterfully.

It is well known that in Russian folklore priests were endowed with a lot of negative features. The priest was portrayed as a curmudgeon, and a lazy person, and a drunkard. Although, of course, this was far from the case.

Meanwhile, the peasants who moved to cities during industrialization, just like the peasants in Western Europe, quickly lost their piety there, which most often was expressed in the fact that they ceased to observe church rites. Even before the revolution, the government received a lot of complaints that the expenses for the maintenance of parish priests were growing without a positive return, that they were demanding exorbitant fees for christenings, weddings and funerals.

As a result, the following situation arose, which one of the clergy described as follows: "People who have been to cities and factories are cold and even hostile to religion." All the same was observed in the USSR. The mobility of the peasant population increased, the role of migrant workers increased, but at the same time, a decline in religious feeling began among the mass of the post-peasant population.

Although it also happened that the community helped a priest respected by it. He was given a land plot or he was helped to cultivate it. In one of the villages, with all the outward indifference to religion, its inhabitants “fed 8 people serving the church, and could not feed one teacher's children,” that is, a teacher, although they stated that they understood the importance of school education.

But this is especially interesting: at the end of the 20s, two types of expenses burdened the average peasant family the most. This is ... vodka and payment to the priest for performing various rituals. That is, the rejection of religion allowed the peasants to leave more money on their farm.

An indicator that in the 20s the peasants understood this was the spread of civil marriages and divorces. Most of the peasant couples, of course, as before, still got married in the church, but marriages outside the church became a "common occurrence", at least in the non-black earth zone of European Russia. And what is most curious - the peasants were kind to those who chose just such a marriage as a painting in the village council. Some peasants, especially young ones, declared themselves atheists, and they were not bullied or ostracized.

Some young men, especially those returning from the army, agreed to get married in church at the insistence of their parents, who asked them to be "respected." But, having married, they no longer went to church, since they did not feel any spiritual need for this. Here are the elderly women - those, yes, usually remained firm in the faith and very often defended the churches with a "human shield" when they came to be closed in order to convert them into a club or a grain warehouse.

So in the Soviet village of the 20s, there was an acute conflict of generations, especially in the provinces of the Non-Black Earth Region with a developed industry. Young people did not want to wear an old village costume, considering it a symbol of age-old backwardness. Among men, a military or paramilitary costume was popular, which was also due to the fact that many peasants retained uniforms from the First World War and the Civil War, as well as stocks of uniform fabric. So the teenage boys were terribly jealous of former soldiers, rural activists, and Komsomol members in such “dress”.

At the same time, the ultimate dream for them was to dress up in an army overcoat or a priest's Budenovka. Well, rural girls, to the great horror of their mothers, began to use cosmetics: powder and blush. For example, in the story "Jack-Vosmerkin - American" by Nikolai Smirnov, his sister appears in the village under an umbrella and wearing gloves, which causes the fierce envy of her friends, and also tries to smoke her brother's cigars, but her mother caught her and spanked her for this. Tango and foxtrot, even in the countryside, are beginning to supplant traditional folk dances, although the old people speak of them as "shame".

And here is the opinion of an ethnographic student, expressed by him in 1923 regarding his native village near Volokolamsk, not far from Moscow:

“Old people are fools. They break, break, but everything is nothing. They have nothing else to do but plow. All the same, there is nowhere to go. " And what about the young? What did they want? And they wanted this: “Run, run faster. Somewhere, just to run: whether to factories, to the army, to courses for commanding officers - all the same. I wish I could live as a free bird! "

Now sons, daughters less often, already resolutely refused to wear the cross (even if not all and not everywhere), although mothers, and even fathers, scolded them and begged them to change their minds.

There is a point of view that the denial of religion in the countryside had deep historical roots, and that mockery of the clergy, as well as disregard for religion, was brought into the village not by city activists, communists and Komsomol members, but it was latently present in it, at least , two centuries.

Here it is worth recalling at least the same A.S. Pushkin and some of his works, which are clearly anti-religious in nature. On the contrary, the Marxist revolutionaries merely picked up the attitude of the peasants towards priests and the faith that was prevalent among the masses and put it at their service. By the way, linguistic studies conducted with the aim of finding out how deeply the peasants understand the vocabulary of the new Soviet life, have shown that, for example, a word like "communist" very often meant for them someone who does not believe in God, and by no means a fighter for the bright future of all mankind.

Well, with the beginning of industrialization, a company was also held throughout the country to melt church bells into metal for factories.

The bells were removed and sent for rework. At the same time, church icons were burned at the same time, because if the church stands without bells, then it does not need icons either. And in Donbass, in Horlivka, in 1929 there was an episode when 4 icons brought from different churches were simultaneously burned in a city square in a solemn atmosphere. At the same time, the crowd of merry and dancing miners numbered, according to estimates, 000-15000 people.

PS


On the topic of the socio-political and spiritual life of the peasants of the Soviet village of the 20s of the twentieth century, many interesting dissertations have been defended in our country for the degree of candidate and doctor of historical sciences. On the Internet, if desired, VO readers can find many similar works.

In the meantime, it is worth limiting ourselves to these studies:

1. "Socio-political views of the peasantry of the northern village in the 20s of the XX century": the topic of the dissertation and abstract on the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 07.00.02, Candidate of Historical Sciences Eremina, Elena Viktorovna, 2007, Syktyvkar.
2. "Social psychology of the peasantry of the Urals in the period of continuous collectivization: 1929–1933": the topic of the dissertation and abstract of the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 07.00.02, Candidate of Historical Sciences Serebryakova, Irina Gennadevna, 2006, Yekaterinburg.
3. "Social and political moods of the peasantry in 1921-1927: on the materials of the Ryazan province": the topic of the dissertation and the abstract on the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 07.00.02, candidate of historical sciences Mitrokhin, Andrey Vladimirovich, 2012, Moscow.

To be continued ...
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  1. +11
    16 September 2021 18: 16
    If you decide to arouse hatred in us for the Soviet power, then - hell there ... If you began to cite facts known to the majority and complain about how ineptly the workers 'and peasants' government disposed of the land and palaces, then you succeeded.
    It is interesting to look at the statistics. It is curious to breathe archival dust ... Only now, the peasantry did not die out under Soviet power and provided a great variety of agricultural products, many of which did not have time not only to collect, but also did not know how to store.
    Today the peasantry is on the rise. The bins are bursting with the domestic seed fund, the peasants are overwhelmed with agricultural machinery, flooded with cheap fuel, filled with state support and subsidies, and the infrastructure of the village will be the envy of any city ... in Mexico ...
    1. +15
      16 September 2021 18: 28
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It is interesting to look at the statistics.


      And it is necessary? He is above that. I understand Shpakov's humanities scholar, so you need to be more careful with numbers.
      Losses 25-29 million can only take into account the lost territories. They will then "arrive" before the Second World War again in the USSR.
      And this is the only way, and not otherwise.
      1. +4
        16 September 2021 18: 59
        Losses of 25-29 million can only take into account the lost territories. They will then "arrive" before the Second World War again in the USSR.

        You can argue your thesis or so, from the lantern they wrote.
        1. +8
          16 September 2021 19: 10
          The author is not a very convincing article. The topic is colossal, according to archival materials, facts, the number of people affected ... Peasant uprisings do not happen just like that .. the peasant must work every day to get a harvest, and not raise uprisings. But, since you reflected it (the topic) ... yes, you did not reflect it, some general words and a couple of numbers ... to continue I'm not waiting!...

          P.S. Very often I get into an argument with the commies, but now I agree with them - the author just wanted to throw shit on the fan, on the eve of the elections .. disgusting like that ...
          1. +11
            16 September 2021 19: 25
            Quote: Nasr
            Very often I get into an argument with the commies,

            Banderite breathed .. for some reason I associate this name-calling with them ..
          2. 0
            16 September 2021 19: 54
            The author is not a very convincing article.

            But why ? I was very hooked by this moment:
            The following year, at the XIII Party Congress, it was again said that “attempts to combat religious prejudices by administrative measures (such as the closure of churches, mosques, synagogues, houses of worship, churches, etc.”) are unacceptable. Unacceptable, however, the process was going on below. The churches were closed, and this dynamics slowly but surely gained momentum.

            I don’t particularly remember that synagogues were closed, or they were especially infringed upon and did not allow them to work.
            Who has any facts on this issue?
            Mosques have suffered to a lesser extent.
            But Orthodoxy suffered from the Bolsheviks in full, it seems that a crusade was declared against it.
            Why is it so selective? Only one of the 3 religions, after all, allegedly atheism was declared?
            1. +7
              16 September 2021 20: 09
              Quote: lucul
              I don’t particularly remember that synagogues were closed, or they were especially infringed upon and did not allow them to work.

              No one was infringed on their faith ..
              Mosques have suffered to a lesser extent.
              But Orthodoxy suffered from the Bolsheviks in full, it seems that a crusade was declared against it.

              There were no crusades .. there was economic feasibility .. there were no funds. And the church, courting the previous government very well and got fucked ... as indeed it does now ... it's like the media ... they are trying to encourage them ... so that they are introduced into the minds of unreasonable people ... that an increase in the retirement age is a blessing and without it, well, nothing ..
              In other words, they were dispossessing and feeding people .. Note, now people are dispossessing and feeding from them .. and then the process was reverse ..
              1. -8
                16 September 2021 20: 16
                There were no crusades .. there was economic feasibility

                So is there any evidence that synagogues were dispossessed as well?
                1. +5
                  16 September 2021 20: 23
                  Quote: lucul
                  There were no crusades .. there was economic feasibility

                  So is there any evidence that synagogues were dispossessed as well?

                  Synagogues, mosques were not so rich in Ingushetia .. this is an obvious fact. The Church was the largest landowner ... with all that it implies, given that the country was agrarian ..
                  1. -7
                    16 September 2021 20: 26
                    Synagogues, mosques were not so rich in Ingushetia .. this is an obvious fact.

                    Nooo, this is a matter of principle. What was the special gold and silver in the wildest villages, and in fact, even there, churches were en masse closed? This is not a question of money. The question here is the Russian genocide.
                    1. +16
                      16 September 2021 20: 28
                      Quote: lucul
                      This is not a question of money. The question here is the Russian genocide.

                      Nonsense .. genocide is now underway .. This is where the real genocide of Russians is ..
                      1. -9
                        16 September 2021 22: 11
                        OH, okay, now. V. I. Ulyanov launched this process as a struggle against Russian chauvinism and imperialism.
                    2. 0
                      16 September 2021 21: 29
                      Quote: lucul
                      What was the special gold and silver in the wildest villages, and in fact even there the churches were en masse closed? It's not about money

                      lucul, I support
                      or the struggle is not with religion, but for the silver setting of icons and gold crosses
                      well, then the icons would not touch
                      or the fight against religion, no matter how much gilding on the candlesticks, as with the "opium of the people"
                    3. +9
                      16 September 2021 21: 30
                      The question here is the Russian genocide.
                      genocide, genocide, rotting in the camps, then in the war "threw corpses" for 4 years .. It is strange that the birth rate was growing, and someone (probably migrant workers) restored the country. And they built new factories, factories, housing and so on. How so? There was genocide. Russians !!! what
                      1. -11
                        17 September 2021 00: 04
                        It's funny that in the war they ate only American stew, that at the end of the scoop, American chicken. Well, it was necessary to build communism all over the world with a bare ass
                      2. +4
                        17 September 2021 09: 24
                        only
                        this is how much stew was needed? Have you tried to count? And have you tried to eat one stew for at least a week? 100% no. And here I am.
                      3. +3
                        17 September 2021 01: 09
                        The guest workers were real, I mean German prisoners.
                        And so yes, the population fulfilled its main task of restoring human losses in good faith, did not evade as it is now. Help in the form of a matcapital is accepted with a bang, and then they look for different tricks. Our people are brainy, here you and large families appear all the time, many of the children taken from orphanages. There is nothing bad about it, on the contrary it is commendable. But I'm not talking about all of them, of course, but only about the clever ones, which, unfortunately, are still found.
                  2. +12
                    16 September 2021 21: 28
                    The Church was the largest landowner ... with all that it implies, given that the country was agrarian ..
                    plus led (not all and not everywhere) some agitation against the new government. Forgetting at the same time that they themselves said under the kings - "all power is from God")))
                2. 0
                  23 October 2021 00: 01
                  There were no synagogues in the village. Maybe in some of the towns where many Jews lived, a synagogue was built with the money raised. But it was not only a synagogue to which people went on Saturdays, but also a school where they taught Hebrew and had Russian lessons. They had nothing to close, they did not receive a single ruble under the tsar, not under other authorities. Windows beat, so it was primarily synagogues. In addition, all the young people went to the Red Army and, with their knowledge, studied to be commanders, from the detached to the company. And there was no time for revolutions, all the land was peasant and everyone took an allotment that he could cultivate. Therefore, escape from parents was not encouraged, it was necessary to plow, harvest, hand over and what was left to sell. Seed grain was obtained from what was handed over according to the surplus, which improved the yield. Then there were iron horses, mowers and threshers. Young people could easily retreat to the city to the factory to get a profession. There was such a thing - in the winter they worked in factories, during sowing they returned to the village, during harvesting too, this was the case.
            2. +7
              17 September 2021 00: 59
              Have you seen a mosque in Moscow 40 years ago? I did not see. I saw churches, even once went with friends to the procession. It happened in 79 in a little church not far from the Oktyabrskaya metro station, only in the direction of the Textile Institute, because there was another church in the direction of the center behind the Ice Cream cafe. In general, there were many of them in Moscow.
              I saw a mosque and a synagogue in Leningrad, not far from the Vasilievskaya arrow. But there were many more churches there.
              So here I disagree with your statement.
              But if you plunge into childhood, then in the village with a population of more than 10 thousand people there was not a single mosque, although there were more Muslims. I remember the church and the priest too, later the church became a club, then a department store. Pop left most likely, I don't remember the details already. There was no synagogue in that village, just like the Jews. There were Germans, Greeks, Kurds and Turks too. These are the memories that flooded when I decided to share with you my facts from life.
            3. -2
              22 September 2021 23: 51
              For the Bolsheviks, it was about life and death, about the physical survival of tens of thousands of communists and their supporters who held power in Russia through manipulation, deception, brutal violence and terror.
              First, the dictatorship of the Communist Party can be called “Soviet power” only conditionally, because the congresses of Soviets in the Leninist state played only the role of a constitutional screen. Behind it was the true vertical of power in the RSFSR. At its top were the Central Committee (CC) of the Communist Party of 19 people, elected at the next party congress, and of these, and narrower collegial bodies - the Organizational and Political Bureau of the Central Committee. The entire rigid mechanism of the so-called "proletarian" government carried out the collective decisions of a small usurper group that emerged from the organization of professional revolutionary conspirators. Most of them, judging by the results of the elections to the Central Committee at the Tenth Congress, had neither working origin nor factory qualifications.
              The anti-peasant meaning of Bolshevism, as a doctrine and practice of social-class superiority, became clear to an educated observer in the summer of 1918, after the adoption of the first Constitution of the RSFSR. After all, local Soviets and Congresses of Soviets were elected by the working people on conditions of unequal voting.
              According to the 53rd article X of chapter of the first Soviet Constitution, one vote of a worker was equal to five votes of peasants! ...
          3. +3
            16 September 2021 21: 02
            the peasant must work every day to get a harvest, and not to raise uprisings.
            this is how he works every day, and then all sorts of people come and take away what they have accumulated ... Yes, for a clean one ..
            1. +8
              16 September 2021 21: 32
              now it is also fashionable to say - "do you want to live better? - work harder" wassat
          4. -5
            16 September 2021 21: 03
            Quote: Nasr
            P.S. Very often I get into an argument with the commies, but now I agree with them - the author just wanted to throw shit on the fan, on the eve of the elections .. disgusting like that ...

            First, I think communism is a wrong idea, and arguing with the bearers of any idea is stupid and useless, you can have fun and that's it. Secondly, I did not notice a single reproach against the communists, on the contrary, I read that under them the natural processes that had begun in lagging pre-revolutionary Russia gained momentum. About mobilizing draft power? Where it is said that it was the red ones who took the horses, not the white ones, etc. etc.
          5. +3
            16 September 2021 22: 32
            Author, very unconvincing article

            He started for health, and finished for peace.
            I started with demography, finished right away, and then everything about the priests and a little about the "informal" rural youth.
        2. -6
          16 September 2021 20: 04
          Quote: Undecim
          You can argue your thesis


          My thesis - demographic losses for 1960 - 70 millionhuman. In the Second World War40 million Other 30 млн... These are GW losses, repression (excluding GW), Holodomors. And if we exclude the unborn from losses (and this is not less than 10 million), then for everything described above, there remains 20 million. And then there is the loss from the decline in the birth rate (5 million were simply not born in the GV). Death from typhus and Spanish flu 4-5 million. Emigration (here from 2 to 4 million). Now calculate what is left for the victims (specific people) of the GW. as well as repression.
          There is. what to object? I'll ask in numbers.
          1. -10
            16 September 2021 20: 15
            And if we exclude the unborn from losses (and this is at least 10 million),

            You forget about the officially approved abortions adopted by the Bolsheviks, the first in the world (!). This is the main root of all human losses in Russia. Read how many abortions were officially done every year.
            1. +8
              16 September 2021 20: 25
              Quote: lucul
              You forget about the officially approved abortions adopted by the Bolsheviks, the first in the world (!). This is the main root of all human losses in Russia. Read how many abortions were officially done every year.

              Do you forget that under the USSR the infant mortality rate became several times less than under the tsar ... and under the tsar it was almost the highest in the world .. And abortions are inevitable, there were and will be .. but during abortions under the tsar it died significantly more women than in the USSR .. and with the development of medicine in the USSR everything was much better ..
              1. -13
                16 September 2021 20: 33
                Are you forgetting that under the USSR the infant mortality rate became several times less than under the tsar ... and under the tsar it was almost the highest in the world ..

                However, the Bolsheviks never achieved such an increase in demography as was under the tsar, despite the lower infant mortality rate.
                And abortions are inevitable, they have been and will be ..

                Yeah, you would have said that 2 years ago.
                1. +6
                  16 September 2021 20: 34
                  Quote: lucul
                  However, the Bolsheviks never achieved such an increase in demography as under the tsar,

                  Which? in numbers and comparison please wassat
                  1. -7
                    16 September 2021 20: 41
                    Which? in numbers and comparison please

                    "The first full-fledged population census in the Russian Empire took place in 1897. According to Rosstat, the population on the territory corresponding to the modern borders of the Russian Federation, at that time was 67,5 million people, by 1914 it reached 89,9 million people. The First World War slowed down, but did not stop natural growth, in 1917 the population reached 91 million. "
                    1. +3
                      16 September 2021 20: 47
                      The First World War slowed down, but did not stop natural growth, in 1917 the population reached 91 million. "

                      However, the Bolsheviks never achieved such an increase in demography as was under the tsar, despite the lower infant mortality rate.
                      .
                      I don't understand you, what are you talking about? Well, in 1989, 147 ml was in the RSFSR .. How to understand that there was no growth in demography as under the tsar? What was it then?
                      https://worldtable.info/gosudarstvo/chislennost-naselenija-rossii-po-godam-v-odno.html
                      1. +1
                        17 September 2021 14: 46
                        I don't understand you, what are you talking about? Well, in 1989, 147 ml was in the RSFSR .. How to understand that there was no growth in demography as under the tsar? What was it then?

                        And there was a constant decline in the birth rate while maintaining population growth. If under the tsar there were 8-12 children in families, then by the 80s Russian families mainly consisted of 2-3 children. I was born into a family of four and we were already considered to have many children.
                    2. +2
                      16 September 2021 21: 34
                      in 1917 the population reached 91 million. "
                      and that's it? Did you give birth after 1917? Do you want to continue with the numbers?
              2. -6
                16 September 2021 22: 15
                To fight child mortality, it is not necessary to "demolish" the country by the roots. It was also demolished by the liberals in the early 90s, instead of gradually, over a long period of time, to change the system and consciousness.
            2. +10
              16 September 2021 20: 30
              Quote: lucul
              You forget about the accepted Bolsheviks, the first in the world (!)


              Yes, up to 1936 in! 937 the increase was as much as 40% (a year of mass repressions, and such an increase in population.
              1. +2
                17 September 2021 04: 25
                Under Stalin, abortion was banned
            3. +2
              16 September 2021 21: 32
              You are wrong, the root of all troubles is not abortion, but the emancipation of women.
            4. +5
              17 September 2021 08: 27
              You forget about the officially approved abortions adopted by the Bolsheviks, the first in the world (!). This is the main root of all human losses in Russia. Read how many abortions were officially performed annually

              Have you forgotten or did not know why maternity leave is called maternity leave. For the first time in the world, we have passed a law on paid maternity leave. It was one of the first decrees, and among the first ten, the very first about the world. They forgot everything, but as it was maternity, it remained. And abortion is forbidden to shoot in the foot, it is better officially than clandestinely, there are all sorts of reasons.
              1. +2
                17 September 2021 14: 56
                Quote: Konnick
                Abortion is forbidden to shoot in the foot, it is better officially than clandestinely, all sorts of reasons are.

                Of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1926 look

                140. Committing, with the consent of the mother, the expulsion of the fetus by persons who do not have adequate medical training for this, or even have such, but in an unsanitary environment, -
                imprisonment or forced labor for up to one year or a fine of up to five hundred rubles.
                If these actions were carried out under the conditions specified in the first part of the article, in the form of fishing or without the mother's consent, or had the consequence of her death, -
                imprisonment for up to five years.
          2. +6
            16 September 2021 20: 19
            I'll ask in numbers.

            1. +1
              16 September 2021 20: 39
              That's right, thanks. For confirming. Look at the losses are considered (where they are maximum) with 1914 g, and this (offhand 1, 8 million dead, missing), a significantly lower birth rate. Briefly speaking. the population of Ingushetia (conditionally) until 1918 grew (yes, it grew, in contrast to France, Britain and Germany) by only 6 million people. And it should be 11-12 million.
              Well?
              1. +5
                16 September 2021 20: 42
                What is "I"? The information is in front of you. What other "I" is needed?
                1. +3
                  16 September 2021 21: 43
                  Quote: Undecim
                  The information is in front of you. What other "I" is needed?


                  Read what you presented yourself. Do you understand the numbers? Look at the evaluation period, or in 1914 the Bolsheviks also mocked the people. Иand turn on your brain.
                  1. +2
                    16 September 2021 21: 53
                    My dear, you leave my brain alone, take care of yours. And with vision, too, since they could not master the table, except for the first line. All the best.
                    1. 0
                      17 September 2021 07: 22
                      Quote: Undecim
                      My dear, you leave my brain alone, take care of yours. And vision too


                      My dear eccentric, you asked to argue, I did it. Loss of life 20 million I pointed. That the losses from hunger and repression are somewhere 4-6 million., (not tens of millions, as some liberoids claim), and makes losses in GW -14-16 million and then it is scheduled
                      Quote: chenia
                      losses from declining birth rates (5 million were simply not born in the GV). Death from typhus and Spanish flu 4-5 million. Emigration (here from 2 to 4 million).
                      .
                      Well, how do these figures differ from most tabular figures.

                      But you did not penetrate, and began to arise. Any objections?
          3. 0
            16 September 2021 21: 10
            And how do you confirm your thesis. So far, except IMHO, there is nothing.
          4. +2
            16 September 2021 22: 54
            These are GW losses, repression (excluding GW), Holodomors

            Clarify, famine or famine. Holodomor is a term that was coined specifically for the events of the early 30s by the American historian James Mace in the early 80s, although the real authors are Ukrainian emigrants of the second wave, that is, Bandera and policemen who escaped punishment.
            1. +6
              16 September 2021 23: 23
              Quote: Konnick
              Clarify, famine or famine. Holodomor is a term that was coined specifically for the events of the early 30s by the American historian James Mace in the early 80s, although the real authors are Ukrainian emigrants of the second wave, that is, Bandera and policemen who escaped punishment.

              Comrade, notice a characteristic detail that our turboputriots themselves, without knowing it, due to their limitations, begin to jump to the tune of the same Banderaites and somehow not noticeably, but confidently surpassed the neighboring turboskakuas. Yes
              The same theses, the same cliches, and the screams about greatness, with only one disagreement, those gutarut sho dug the black sea, but ours assert that they didn’t dig. Yes
        3. -2
          17 September 2021 03: 27
          Quote: Undecim
          You can argue your thesis or so, from the lantern they wrote.

          And how did the author justify such losses? In the references he mentioned, I see three dissertations on political views, psychology and the mood of the peasantry, moreover, territorially limited and nothing according to the statistics of human losses.
      2. 0
        16 September 2021 19: 17
        And how brazenly, demonstratively, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people falsify the history of their country and people.
        First, they impudently blamed the Bolsheviks for the Civil War unleashed by the White Guards, White Cossacks, and their accomplices, the invaders of Russia.
        Secondly, they all citizens of Russia who lived in the territories seized from Russia during the Civil War - and there were more than 20 million of them, were dumped in the "destroyed" by the Bolsheviks.
        1. +9
          16 September 2021 20: 00
          For the sake of truth: among the whites and reds there were different: scum and relatively decent.
          In GV there can be no: "white and fluffy"!
        2. -6
          16 September 2021 22: 17
          the Soviet people have not existed for a long time. And those who still consider themselves Soviet-dreamers are no worse than fans of Harry Potter.
          1. -3
            17 September 2021 15: 14
            The Soviet state and Soviet power, betrayed by the top, do not exist. And not the people ...

            Not yet ...
        3. +2
          17 September 2021 14: 35
          And how brazenly, demonstratively, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people falsify the history of their country and people.

          Irina, what are the Soviet people, where is their habitat and what is their number? For example, in Soviet times and now I have always identified myself as a representative of the Russian people. In the same way, all my friends and acquaintances consider themselves Russians, Jews, Tatars, but not Soviet. There is no Soviet people and there never was, but there were the peoples of the Soviet Union, united in one state of the USSR. Or, in your opinion, there was a Russian imperial people in the Russian Empire as well. And both of them faded in one night - one in October 1917, and the other in December 1991.
    2. +6
      16 September 2021 18: 34
      It is he who wants to infect us with his hatred for everything Soviet, which is in his blood.
      When I see his name under the text, then for some reason the desire to read the article disappears ...
      1. 0
        16 September 2021 19: 48
        Quote: alystan
        the desire to read the article disappears ...

        And it is not necessary. The main thing is that you have already made two clicks. And that's enough!
        1. -3
          16 September 2021 20: 02
          You can paint "Losses of 25-29 million", otherwise it is not clear why these losses from wars of famine or separation of territories - for a specified period of time.
          1. 0
            24 October 2021 16: 33
            By the way, because of these communists, America suffered, where people refused to eat and just over ten million people died from this abstinence. The Americans write - this is approximately, because to say how many threw back their hooves in the Midwest, Americans are embarrassed. If in several large cities the mafia fed the people, not to be confused with the authorities, the authorities did not give a cent. and this is for ten years. Nobody knows how much could be thrown back, that is, to fly to Mars, so as not to embarrass the planet. When the Americans, the poor part, gathered for the rallies, they were shot with machine guns and crushed by tanks. At the same time, the Americans lied that there were no tanks in America before the start of the war. Sometimes through the cracks flows something that is wonderful, it was in the States, as in Nazi Germany, and of course the Jews were to blame.
        2. +2
          16 September 2021 21: 43
          Excuse me, do you really hate everything Soviet? Come on, you don't need everything - the very idea ... do you hate the communists? Not the current ones, no, those that probably never existed, but the image that was?
          1. +4
            17 September 2021 15: 03
            Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
            Excuse me, do you really hate everything Soviet? Come on, you don't need everything - the very idea ... do you hate the communists? Not the current ones, no, those that probably never existed, but the image that was?

            Was there an image - if each next general secretary began to find fault with the previous one? If propaganda wagged behind the party line?
            What if at the congress they first applauded Stalin, and then at another they applauded Khrushchev, who was harassed by Stalin? The same people?
            By the 90s, the image of real communists had worn out so much - that the whole country silently turned away from the dying USSR and that's it ...
            1. -1
              17 September 2021 16: 10
              Of course he was. Are you completely? Or deny your undeniable everything? You read?
              1. +2
                17 September 2021 17: 42
                Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                Of course he was. Are you completely? Or deny your undeniable everything? You read?

                And where - I'm embarrassed to ask - there were 16 million communists when the USSR was killed ???? Where was that image at that moment ?? The entire army and navy closed their eyes - "Oh, there is no order !!! Therefore, we do not see the assassination of the USSR ..." .....
                In the 40s they were - and by the 1980s they were over ...

                It took just one REAL(!!!!) a communist (and 3 cartridges !!) - to lead the Belovezhskaya Trinity back to the fence ... To the wall ..
                Only one.....
                Not found ......
                1. -1
                  17 September 2021 18: 17
                  This is not communists, this is shit on a stick. Pavka Korchagin is an image, if you don't understand.
                  1. 0
                    17 September 2021 18: 42
                    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                    This is not communists, this is shit on a stick. Pavka Korchagin is an image, if you don't understand.

                    Bad image - if it turned out to be 16 million
                    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                    This is not communists, this is shit on a stick.

                    Not 100 people, not 1000 or even a million - did not correspond to the image of Korchagin by the 90s
                    1. -1
                      20 September 2021 20: 52
                      And again you do not understand me ... You are lying about 16 million, at least minus two - my mother and my father. They matched, but they died literally right after ... was that the main task? Kill? I will never betray my parents. So it's useless to talk to me about democracy.
                      1. +1
                        20 September 2021 21: 06
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        You are lying about 16 million, at least minus two - my mother and my father.

                        you got confused in your posts
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        those probably which never happened, but the image that was?

                        So were they or weren't? or were there a dozen of them all over the country?

                        and yes, it was you who named 16 million communists who betrayed the USSR ... not me ...
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        This is not communists, this is shit on a stick.
                      2. 0
                        20 September 2021 21: 14
                        :) Okay, maybe I'm not a rhetorician and therefore I'll try in more detail and intelligibly - My mother and father went to a Komsomol construction site at -50 degrees and there they met and lived there for 27 years and I was with them, but only 25 years. :) What inspired them to go to the Far North? Probably there was an ideal? Both are communists. I have no right to call their life a heroic deed, because their son, but this should arouse a certain respect.
                      3. +1
                        20 September 2021 22: 57
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        What inspired them to travel to the Far North? Probably there was an ideal?
                        - what could have inspired them to live in the north? The ideal works for a year or two or three, then a person begins to look at the ideal more soberly, a little later, he can generally reassess his feelings.
                        Your parents saw Soviet cronyism, nepotism, telephone law, mutual guarantee, "at work you are not a guest, take away at least a nail" and this did not affect their ideal in any way?
                      4. -1
                        21 September 2021 19: 15
                        Yes, he could inspire. You just do not understand this, and you will never be able to understand - I am sorry for you. It is people like you who will always calculate for decades ahead (profitable-unprofitable), and not just kick in the face. These are the ones who will seek a marriage "profitably", not love. You are exactly the kind who prefer "Soviet cronyism, nepotism, telephone law, mutual guarantee" - for you the ideal works for a year or two or three. And so on and so on ... You yourself expressed your vision of life. I repeat once again - I am very sorry for you ...
                      5. +1
                        21 September 2021 23: 15
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        You yourself have expressed your vision of life. I repeat once again - I am very sorry for you ...
                        - just such "idealists" who are not able to see ahead even two steps - have profited the USSR for a sniff of tobacco ...
                        Calculating the economy ahead, assessing the needs of the population and its demands is a betrayal of ideals.
                        And further..
                        Read "Virgin Lands Upturned" - how such "idealists" shared a woman and walked in tattered trousers ... And then the whole country treated "dizziness from success" after such idealists
                        I repeat, out of 16 million communists, not a single "idealist" was found who would lead the Belovezhskaya Trinity to the fence, or he himself would have shot himself out of shame ...
                        White generals were shooting, red generals of the 1940s were shooting, Soviet generals of the 1990s did not want to ...

                        And then damn everyone is such idealists - that not a single practitioner was found out of 16 million ...
        3. -4
          17 September 2021 15: 59
          Shpakovsky, like you, must be fought against, and it is not a fact that only by legal methods.
          1. +3
            17 September 2021 17: 32
            Quote: Seeker
            Shpakovsky, like you, must be fought against, and it is not a fact that only by legal methods.

            Start, flag in hand!
      2. +2
        16 September 2021 20: 04
        V.O. from the fact that someone does not want to read it is neither cold nor hot.
    3. +5
      16 September 2021 19: 53
      This is Shpakovsky, he cannot do otherwise.
    4. -12
      16 September 2021 19: 58
      The Soviet government has already done everything perfectly, starting from 1928 to 1991, the results were striking epoch-making and intermediate - the result was the grandiose failure of the Soviet power of the system and the country as a whole.
      1. +5
        16 September 2021 20: 15
        Quote: Vadim237
        The Soviet government has already done everything perfectly, starting from 1928 to 1991, the results were striking epoch-making and intermediate - the result was the grandiose failure of the Soviet power of the system and the country as a whole.

        Give the data in numbers and comparison ..
        1.Demography in the USSR and now
        2.Industry under the USSR and now
        3.Economy under the USSR and now .. (place in the world)
        4.Scientific achievements under the USSR and now
        5.Education of the USSR and now
        If you can master and really lay out the numbers .. then I will believe wassat Even a madman would hardly argue about the results.
        1. +2
          17 September 2021 20: 41
          You can not pay attention to the industry of the USSR, it all boiled down to production for barter and free for dozens of rogue countries and internal distribution between the republics - and everything that the USSR bought for money was mostly raw materials - and capital countries bought it, in the end, such a production system led the country to bankruptcy in the 80s earning less than spending. Now everything is for money or barter equivalent to deliveries. And yes, now in the world there is not a single economy of the planned distribution type with the construction and distribution at the top that the USSR had. At the expense of the birth rate in the RSFSR, 1.7 million births accounted for 3 to 5 million abortions at the peak of the number of abortions - now in Russia abortions are performed in the range of 500-600 thousand.
          Education of the USSR and now - The same as in the USSR, no more, no less availability at the level.
        2. 0
          26 September 2021 17: 04
          It is foolish to make comparisons when one country was at its peak, and the other is being chosen from the ruins. It is necessary to compare the Russian Federation today with the USSR in the mid-60s.
      2. +2
        17 September 2021 00: 24
        You, something in one plate and Olivier and borscht! What is it like ? You better tell me why the current government does not want to reform anything, except how to falsify elections and the retirement age.
        1. 0
          17 September 2021 20: 48
          There is evidence that the elections are faked - the fact that most of the voters do not go to the polls. parts - and then the first begin to wonder how it happened and the elections begin, fraudulent everywhere deception and everything else in the same spirit.
          And an increase in the retirement age, alas, is a global trend and Russia with 46 million pensioners out of 146 million population, alas, is no exception and never will be.
    5. +2
      16 September 2021 20: 44
      Quote: ROSS 42
      If you decide to arouse hatred in us for the Soviet regime, then - hell there ...

      Uh ... are you serious?
      As I understand it, the article was about the decline in religiosity as a by-product of urbanization. It's just that under the communists this process has accelerated.
    6. +5
      17 September 2021 00: 19
      Where did you get this infa from? Daughter works ml. an employee at the Research Institute of Agriculture, let's say the picture is not at all so joyful. There has been no grain inspection since 2002, as a relic of the USSR. The quality of the bread on the shelves is poor. The roads most forgotten by God are the sea. And the rise is in corporations and on TV. The ordinary villager is nothing from this! As well as from the SP-2 pipe. The crooks drive the crooks. You know, it was necessary to take good things from the USSR and bring them to the Russian Federation. But this cannot be, because then how can thieves live, huh? They cannot even hold elections, because they are afraid of losing. And there are no peasants left, not even collective farms. But there is a blue screen, Martin, Agrocomplex, and other crooks. For everyone - I live in a former Cossack village.
    7. +4
      17 September 2021 05: 45
      They wrote everything, we even have an American tractor! good
    8. +3
      17 September 2021 05: 48
      "Bins are bursting with the domestic seed fund ..." - It would be useful for you to know, and maybe it will even cause your surprise that these same Bins do not "break" from the seed fund, especially - domestic !!! Import of most of the seed fund is one of the Most Important Problems of Russian agriculture at the moment!
      1. +3
        17 September 2021 11: 15
        I thought that ROSS 42 wrote about the food with sarcasm wink
      2. 0
        17 September 2021 20: 51
        And this problem will be solved in the next ten years. Now we are purchasing from 20 to 80% of seeds for all crops - the largest is sugar beet, but there is no 100% dependence on any one.
        1. +1
          17 September 2021 21: 50
          The question is closed only for wheat and barley, the rest is lame.
    9. +1
      17 September 2021 08: 19
      Let's start with statistics: in European Russia, the population has decreased from 72 million people. in 1914 to 66 million in 1920. And the decline in the population as a whole throughout the Soviet Union in 1915-1923 is estimated at 25-29 million people. The proportion of young men killed was disproportionately high, and it is understandable why.


      impressive, but you need to describe where such losses come from, for war, for famine, for epidemics?
    10. +4
      17 September 2021 08: 51
      Today there is no particular peasantry, because nobody needs it, when there are modern agricultural holdings, whose workers can live in cities. But grain exports from Russia are breaking all records despite the fact that the population is more concerned about obesity than hunger.

      It must be understood that the decisions of 1929 are decisions in the realities of 1929, this does not mean that they would have worked in 1829 or 1989.
    11. -1
      17 September 2021 15: 12
      "Well, with the beginning of industrialization, a company was also held throughout the country to melt church bells into metal for factories."
      *
      What is this, the author's reproach of the Soviet government, which began, in force majeure conditions, the forced industrialization of the country, objectively necessary for the development and security of the state?

      Just in case ...

      Peter the Great began "melting the bells" into cannons. 200 years before the Bolsheviks. And he did it no less decisively than the Bolsheviks, although he himself was not a communist, it seemed ...

      The course of the Northern War, you know, objectively demanded it ...

      Not only did the church "bells", he also set up crowds of "monasteries" in the monasteries who were acquired to "the case" ...

      As for the author's "advice" - "In the meantime, it is worth limiting ourselves to these studies: ...", that is, there are other opinions.

      Let's say, "for a start," at least add to the short register proposed by the author such a source as - "Tyukavkin V.G., Shchagin E.M. The peasantry of Russia in the period of three revolutions
      M .: Education, 1987. - 206 p., Ill. "

      Why "add"? ..

      Namely, in order to follow the author's advice, "read with brains" and not emotions.

      And, to begin with, "compare" those "moods" of the Russian peasantry, about which the author broadcasts in the context of the period of Soviet industrialization, with the "moods" of the Russian peasant masses, in the period BEFORE the Great October ...

      As you know, in "that period" church bells were not sent for melting down. But now, the tsarist authorities had to send punitive expeditions to the peasant regions ... This means that some "other" reasons for "bad" peasant sentiments existed ...
  2. +10
    16 September 2021 18: 20
    From the first click
    Pop jumped to the ceiling;
    From the second click
    Lost pop language
    And from the third click
    The old man's mind was knocked out.
    And Balda condemned with reproach:
    "You would not chase, pop, for cheapness"
    A.S.Pushkin.
    The population in the village under the tsar and after was backward and uneducated, more or less healed only from the 60s, having recovered after the war.
    1. +3
      16 September 2021 23: 09
      From the first click
      Pop jumped to the ceiling;
      From the second click
      Lost pop language
      And from the third click
      The old man's mind was knocked out.
      And Balda condemned with reproach:
      "You would not chase, pop, for cheapness"
      A.S.Pushkin.

      A small lyrical digression.
      Have you ever wondered why Pushkin called the hardworking and sharp-witted worker Balda, who in no way drove the bald and was not stupid laughing
      Pushkin wrote this tale in Boldino, the name of which, according to legend, comes from the Mordovian name Boldai, the owner of which founded the settlement, in translation this name from Mordovian means smart, quick-witted, just the opposite meaning from the Russian language.
  3. +20
    16 September 2021 18: 23
    I could perceive an article about the distant 20s, if the author found in them positive, as a former member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and so one negative.
    If you throw yeast into a cesspool, shit will crawl out of all the cracks and will climb until everything ferments. So it is with our Penza author. How long does it take for him to ferment everything? Or does he not have a catalyst and he writes these provocations at the call of his heart?
    The author has repeatedly mentioned that the current government is 100% satisfied with him, they say he has adapted and lives happily ever after, but there is not a lot of finances. And so everything is OK!
    But what makes him a quiet sap (a historical term) is many times more dangerous than open oppositionists. The oppositionist at the rally will tear Armani's shirt on his chest or push the cop. And that's all.
    The Shpakovskys are laying a mine under the foundation of society. His goal is the past of our country ("there is no future without the past").
    Describing one-sidedly the situation in the country in the XX century, shifting emphasis, etc. Shpakovskys create the history of the USSR as the history of Mordor with constant unmotivated executions of innocent people. Would modern man want such a past? Is there anything to be proud of?
    What is this if not an ideological war?
    And we must honestly admit that Russia is losing this war. It also loses thanks to such historians as Shpakovskys.
    1. +11
      16 September 2021 18: 47
      Quote: ee2100
      I could perceive an article about the distant 20s, if the author found in them positive, as a former member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and so one negative.
      If you throw yeast into a cesspool, shit will crawl out of all the cracks and will climb until everything ferments. So it is with our Penza author. How long does it take for him to ferment everything? Or does he not have a catalyst and he writes these provocations at the call of his heart?

      Comrade, I fully support! And he writes provocations for a srach on a branch, according to a PR article, money in his pocket Yes
      1. +8
        16 September 2021 18: 50
        I know! And I wrote to him that I would write an objective opinion on all his surrenders.
        1. -5
          16 September 2021 18: 59
          Quote: ee2100
          objective opinion

          Since when did personal opinion become objective? Have you defended your dissertation on this period in the history of the USSR or on the peasant question? Read the books I referred to last time. Have already managed to look through the recommended works ... We worked in the local archives ... Yes? No? If not, then this is a subjective opinion.
          1. +3
            16 September 2021 19: 13
            For you personally
          2. +3
            16 September 2021 20: 49
            "worked in local archives ..." Vyacheslav Olegovich, I have noticed and said for a long time that you are a vain person and that you will find a reason to praise yourself almost everywhere. Colleagues will confirm my words
            1. +2
              16 September 2021 21: 29
              Quote: Astra wild2
              You are a vain person and almost everywhere you will find a reason to praise yourself

              I will not argue with you. "You cannot praise yourself, others will not notice" - I am quoting a Russian proverb for sure? If not, correct me.
      2. +7
        16 September 2021 19: 45
        Come on, buddy, I will dilute this article with a drop of humor:
        From the memoirs of my grandfather, Pyotr Ivanovich.
        A very zealous commissar went to form a collective farm in our Yaroslavl region. Nagant in hand, in a cart and go!
        And we had a village - Semiovrazhnoe. The name speaks for itself. That plenipotentiary was driving through the big fog. He sees that there is a row of huts.
        - Stop! - commands the driver.
        He obediently stopped.
        The commissar gathered the residents of a dozen houses, laid the revolver on the table and solemnly announced that they were now collective farmers of the Oktyabr collective farm.
        The peasants dutifully signed their name.
        I drove on. The driver wandered between the ravines and took them to the other side.
        - Stop! - again the commissioner commands.
        I also collected these residents. Revolver on the table and the collective farm "Light Path" is organized.
        This is how they organized either six or seven collective farms in one village!)) laughing
      3. +1
        16 September 2021 21: 36
        And he writes provocations for a srach on a branch
        and I suggested ... wink
    2. +8
      16 September 2021 18: 54
      Quote: ee2100
      I could perceive an article about the distant 20s, if the author found in them positive, as a former member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and so one negative.

      Here he has no equal .. it waters thickly .. its own past. Such and sharpened the union from within ..
      Describing one-sidedly the situation in the country in the XX century, shifting emphasis, etc. Shpakovskys create the history of the USSR as the history of Mordor with constant unmotivated executions of innocent people. Would modern man want such a past? Is there anything to be proud of?

      good
      What is this if not an ideological war?
      And we must honestly admit that Russia is losing this war. It also loses thanks to such historians as Shpakovskys.

      I think if the Communist Party had paid ... Shpakovsky would have found a lot of positive things in the USSR ... so much that he would have overclocked to several volumes .. lol
      1. +6
        16 September 2021 19: 09
        Quote: Svarog
        I think if the Communist Party had paid .. Shpakovsky would have found a lot of positive things in the USSR.

        Without any doubt. But since it would be against the soul, I would take from them exorbitantly.
        1. +6
          16 September 2021 19: 39
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, are you "for sale"? I didn't expect this
          1. +3
            16 September 2021 22: 31
            Quote: Astra wild2
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, are you "for sale"? I didn't expect this

            Phew, well, you, I've been writing about Shpakovsky's uncleanliness from the moment of his appearance, and you, not only you, all the praises of him sang and sing.
        2. +7
          16 September 2021 22: 27
          Quote: kalibr

          Without any doubt. But since it would be against the soul, I would take from them exorbitantly.

          For the first time with pleasure, plusanul Shpakovsky. For the fact that he honestly admits the presence of rot in his soul.
        3. 0
          16 September 2021 22: 29
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: Svarog
          I think if the Communist Party had paid .. Shpakovsky would have found a lot of positive things in the USSR.

          Without any doubt. But since it would be against the soul, I would take from them exorbitantly.

          That is why I am not very angry with Shpakovsky, as a counter, Duc is for the fact that he does not hide and openly says: for money I will write anything and give links with sources.
          In the meantime, "the ghost of Communism wanders across Europe" Shpakovsky will always have enough for a piece of bread and butter.
          You guys, they say, are here on each other in the attack, go, maybe you will endure everything, but for now I will post rubles. wink
          Oh, well done! laughing
      2. +3
        16 September 2021 19: 47
        "if the CPRF paid" the current leaders of the CPRF are not interested in the return of the Soviet Union, which means they will not pay Vyacheslav Olegovich
        1. -2
          16 September 2021 19: 55
          Quote: Astra wild2
          which means they will not pay Vyacheslav Olegovich

          That's it! It is good that you understand, Astra.
    3. +2
      16 September 2021 19: 00
      Quote: ee2100
      Would modern man want such a past?

      Of course she won't. And he will do the right thing. He does not live in the past, but in the future. Where there is no place for all this.
      1. 0
        16 September 2021 20: 01
        bad philosophy remember, never say never
    4. +1
      16 September 2021 19: 06
      Quote: ee2100
      Russia is losing this war

      Get down to business, correct the situation. You also wrote something there ... 5 articles - a great start. Back up with documents, links, and ... forward in defense of communism. You and the cards in hand!
    5. -6
      16 September 2021 20: 01
      I could perceive an article about the distant 20s, if the author found in them a positive

      20s and 90s - 2 boots of a pair, what can you find especially positive there after the collapse of the country?
    6. +2
      17 September 2021 08: 57
      And what did he write negatively? That the peasantry hated the hypocritical church that was stripping money from him? Or that the youth did not want to live in the old way? In the context of social change, this is always the case.
  4. +5
    16 September 2021 18: 41
    “Old people are fools. They break, break, but everything is nothing. They have nothing else to do but plow. All the same, there is nowhere to go. " And what about the young?

    The student wrote "from the heart" ... Old people, many of whom did not even know the letters, really had nowhere to go. My grandmother said that her father was a literate person and half of the village came to him to sort out a scribble or some other document. The village received a mass education just during the years of Soviet power. It was from the village that the educated people, wise with life experience, came into life, because the city man often did not even see a live cow in his eyes ...
    1. -3
      16 September 2021 20: 11
      It was from the village that the educated people, wise with life experience, came to life - only a part of these people from the village left in their insides greed, envy, sneakiness, laziness and everything else, and it was they who, having reached power with the help of a social elevator, became one of the elements that overwhelmed the country called the USSR.
    2. +2
      16 September 2021 20: 44
      Well, yes. There, and one well-known combiner came to life.
      1. +2
        17 September 2021 20: 58
        The Bolsheviks themselves, without knowing it, in the late 20s and 30s laid a real mine under the foundation and control of the state simply took and destroyed the hard workers in the village - leaving mostly idlers coekakers and all of the above-described all the elite of the CPSU and glued together over the decades, and why be surprised that The USSR collapsed themselves, all the conditions were created and the necessary people for this were arranged at the top.
  5. +2
    16 September 2021 18: 44
    Are there 29 thousand miners in Gorlovka in 18 years? belay
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  6. +11
    16 September 2021 18: 55
    Many people here know that I personally do not share the views of the respected author on the Soviet past of our country, but this particular article I would like to note as quite decent. Personally, I did not see in it a desire to instill something in us or provoke polemics, as is often the case with the author in materials about the USSR, this is just information presented relatively objectively and relatively impartially. It was? It was. We all know that.
    I'm wondering what conclusions from it (articles) readers can draw. Conclusions on the topic, not on the personality of the author, I mean. smile
    1. 0
      16 September 2021 18: 58
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      I'm wondering what conclusions from it (articles) readers can draw. Conclusions on the topic, not on the personality of the author, I mean.

      Well, since you insist, of course we will, now we will only read the article laughing laughing laughing drinks
      1. +4
        16 September 2021 19: 13
        Quote: Stroporez
        now we'll just read the article

        That is, you started writing the previous comment without even reading the article? Ay-ay! Well, I always said, who are the judges?
        1. -3
          16 September 2021 20: 04
          Well, I always said, who are the judges?

          It's a matter of faith)))
          And the worldview, embedded in the subcortex by the indisputable authority (in their opinion), is the level of a parent for a preschooler.
          Here until you overthrow the authority - it is useless to reach out to common sense - for the question of faith.
          "And my mom said," Until you debunk mom's authority, it's useless to prove anything)))
          1. +1
            16 September 2021 22: 08
            Oh, no need to debunk - all the rightness of the world is not worth "mom" ... Even if I understand that mom is wrong ... I don’t know, maybe it’s different for you.
        2. +1
          16 September 2021 22: 18
          Quote: kalibr
          That is, you started writing the previous comment without even reading the article? Ay-ay! Well, I always said, who are the judges?

          I even have 3 !!! laughing Hinting that I'm humor was joking laughing
          Thus giving a reason for unnecessary comments and discussion of my "not reading person" tongue
      2. +1
        16 September 2021 22: 02
        Damn, I read ... :)
    2. +1
      16 September 2021 19: 09
      To believe all his research, we must take his word for it?
      And what about this, in your opinion, was it?
      ... in Gorlovka, in 1929, there was an episode at all when in the city square ... a crowd of merry and dancing miners numbered, according to estimates, 15000-18000 people.

      Why does your protege (for this article) translate Russian into the Khokhlyat version:
      And in Donbass, ...

      Russian has always been spoken and written on Donbass !?
      Where are your conclusions? You gave us your opinion in the same way, probably so that we believe you too?
      1. +1
        16 September 2021 19: 20
        Don't believe me. They believe in God in the church. At the end of the article there are works recommended for reading. In the previous article, even the cover of the used book was shown, and one of the commentators confirmed that it is on the web. You take, open the indicated sources and watch. That's all. And you don't have to take their word for it. It's just that the scientific style of presentation would generally make you sick, and no one would try to check links to sources and pages either. Why then take away the area from the site?
        1. +1
          17 September 2021 05: 50
          Quote: kalibr
          And you don't have to take their word for it.

          Are you talking about this now?

          If we did not live at that time, then, we would really believe that EBN passed all the changes through itself, suffered and worried ... Especially for his family, which is why he transferred control to reliable hands ... And after all this you dare to point us to the sources of a century ago? Why don't you send us to the links to the anonymous letters that fellow villagers wrote to the same peasants?
          Please don't ask us more than your article deserves. And to belittle people's awareness only because they do not have time to research archives that are not 146% reliable. I hope you are familiar with the term "postscript"? Who told you that our descendants will have to believe XNUMX% of Churov or the objectivity of the three-day voting started by Pamfilova? Just do not tell anyone how the Russians approved the amendments to the constitution and the "zeroing" ... But archival records will remain about this, and the same Skvortsovsky will tell two hundred years later about the wisdom and care of the people of the Russian government and of the titular nation dying out in revenge. ..
          1. 0
            17 September 2021 06: 28
            Quote: ROSS 42
            don't ask us more than your article deserves.

            Am I asking for something? And I know about the postscripts. But you do not judge only on the basis of your personal experience. You see, everything that you learned about the same Yeltsin is the media. And about something else - also the media. You have never had and do not have any other channels, and you judge them in a philistine way. I already wrote once: I was familiar with both cadets and officers ... and there were all sorts of them among them. But I am not judging about them and their work. Because I know her only from the media and stories. I think this is indecent. Do you feel the difference between your point of view and mine?
            1. +3
              17 September 2021 07: 06
              Quote: kalibr
              But I am not judging about them and their work. Because I know her only from the media and stories.

              And I judge people by their final deeds, by what they have done useful for the Fatherland, for the people of their country, and not for friends and relatives (although no one forbids doing this, BUT !!! at personal expense).
              Quote: kalibr
              I think this is indecent. Do you feel the difference between your point of view and mine?

              Frankly speaking, I did not even feel the meaning of your article - you brought a set of extracts from Registry archive. What is your point of view on the events of the 20s and 30s in the countryside?
              My point of view is that Lenin's policy "Land for the peasants" was very skillfully perverted locally due to the "bearish zeal" of those who were put in office not for intelligence and education, but for social status. So they tore their hair in all places to "justify the trust" ...

              I think this is indecent ...
              1. +1
                17 September 2021 07: 43
                Quote: ROSS 42
                perverted locally because of the "bearish zeal" of those who were put in office not for intelligence and education, but for social status. So they tore their hair in all places to "justify the trust" ...

                And this also took place. But the MAJOR WAS FROM TOP!
              2. +3
                17 September 2021 07: 45
                Quote: ROSS 42
                you have given a set of extracts from the archive register. What is your point of view on the events of the 20s and 30s in the countryside?

                Which otherwise no one would have known, right? Just information. And then WHAT RESULT ... And if I gave my point of view. Oh ... it's even scary to think what would happen. Our people should be taught at least to digest this, and be able to conduct a decent polemic. And you tell me about lofty matters.
                1. +1
                  17 September 2021 08: 19
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Oh ... it's even scary to think what would happen. Our people should be taught at least to digest it, and be able to conduct a decent polemic. And you tell me about lofty matters.

                  Okay, we found a common language, and politics in this matter only divides ...
                  drinks
              3. +3
                17 September 2021 08: 39
                This is what I think is indecent

                It was because of such narrow-minded "activists" that they dumped everything. And where they weren't, they lived well

                This is a pre-war photo of a collective farm family, neighbors of my grandparents. Pay attention to the clothes.
      2. +6
        16 September 2021 19: 37
        Russian has always been spoken and written in Donbass !?

        Actually, Donbass is the Donetsk Basin. In Russian - In the pool.
      3. 0
        17 September 2021 15: 35
        Do you know my method? I told you - these are OURS. Sorry for the late answer, they pounced from all sides, you know, I didn't keep track of it. Although ... it's my fault, it's all the excuses.
    3. +8
      16 September 2021 19: 20
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      Many people here know that I personally do not share the views of the respected author on the Soviet past of our country, but this particular article I would like to note as quite decent. Personally, I did not see in it a desire to instill something in us or provoke polemics, as is often the case with the author in materials about the USSR, this is just information presented relatively objectively and relatively impartially. It was? It was. We all know that

      Mikhail, in this case, Shpakovsky really did not exacerbate .. BUT .. in the main, he remained unchanged ... namely, one-sidedness .. Well, for example, Shpakovsky writes about lack of education .. But he could have indicated that the citizens of the USSR had become educated it was under Soviet rule and in less than 30 years ... and under the tsar, there were no more than 14% educated ... Such a presentation would be objective and not one-sided hi
      1. 0
        16 September 2021 19: 24
        Quote: Svarog
        And the vel could also indicate that the citizens of the USSR became educated precisely under the Soviet regime and in less than 30 years ... and under the tsar there were no more than 14% educated ... Such a presentation would be objective and not one-sided

        Here at VO there was already my article about education in the USSR at that time, and that the last decree on the elimination of illiteracy was adopted when ... that's when. So why repeat yourself? If you want, find that old material in the questionnaire and re-read it.
        1. +3
          16 September 2021 19: 30
          Quote: kalibr
          So why repeat yourself?

          For objectivity .. if you consider yourself a journalist, then you need to show all the angles .. and if propagandists .. then, yes, and so it will do ..
          If you want, find that old material in the questionnaire and re-read it.
          laughing Although you have a sense of humor .. You and re-read .. I certainly understand that the ego requires recognition .. but I clearly seem to express my attitude to your work .. And note .. only when it concerns the Soviet period .. and when about handicrafts .. knights .. Here you do great!
          1. -4
            16 September 2021 19: 38
            Vladimir! I do great in both cases. It’s just that you don’t pedrit a fig in knights, but in peasants it seems to you that you pedrit. In fact, it only seems so. You will first master THREE dissertations at the end of the article (I did not write them), and only then, yes. Because just such articles of mine are also liked by people who only have a professional education. And the funniest thing is your advice and others like you. If you listen to them, then the article will have to be written like this: a piece of paper in half and - on the left is good: a balloon Osoviakhim-1 was launched. on the right - bad - he fell and crashed. Left: Collectivization was carried out. On the right, 159 million head of cattle were slaughtered. I don’t think it will be interesting to read, and most importantly, you will again like this comparative manner of presenting information. Although everything will be "objectively" - took off - fell, socialized - stabbed ...
            1. +10
              16 September 2021 19: 44
              The funny thing is that your so-called critics are waiting for your articles with much more impatience than your fans. Like manna from heaven. And do not be angry with them ...we are responsible for those we have tamed) hi
              1. +2
                16 September 2021 19: 53
                Exactly! Can't you see that I’m not just angry, but I’m answering very constructively and quite peacefully. It's just the job - to write on different topics. You get tired, do you know, delving into virtual libraries in search of interesting books and miniatures. I would like to look at living people, to hold on to documents. You go to the regional archive, read the same "truth", laugh a lot and immediately want to share it with others. Soon there will be material about what Pravda wrote about Josip Broz Tito ...
                1. +3
                  16 September 2021 20: 23
                  Quote: kalibr
                  You go to the regional archive, you read the same "truth", laugh a lot and immediately want to share with others

                  Do not deny that the anticipation of the reaction contingent plays an important role in all this)
                  1. +3
                    16 September 2021 20: 33
                    Quote: Liam
                    You will not deny that the anticipation of the reaction of the contingent plays an important role in all this)

                    Of course. Not the last ...
                    1. +4
                      16 September 2021 20: 40
                      In my opinion, a cycle about everyday life based on newspapers and archives is the cherry on top of your cake. The topic is unbroken, in contrast to BTT, for example, where it is difficult not to repeat the annoying order 100500 times. About real people and arousing real interest and emotions.
                      1. +1
                        16 September 2021 20: 50
                        Quote: Liam
                        In my opinion, the cycle about everyday life, based on newspapers and archives, is the cherry on top of your cake.

                        Agree! We need to think about how to present all this, in what way and ... to give.
              2. +1
                16 September 2021 20: 00
                Crap! As you subtly understood everything. They are still thinking, but we have an answer ready!
                This is the theory of victory! Get ahead!
                Make the shpapovskys sit underground and not stick out!
                1. 0
                  16 September 2021 20: 27
                  Quote: ee2100
                  Make the shpapovskys sit underground and not stick out!

                  I suggest you do it with your own materials! An attempt is not torture, someone does not remember who, said so ...
            2. -1
              16 September 2021 20: 13
              and you are in knights as much as you write fagot? and let us know from Klim Aleksandrovich Zhukov if you are a fagot or not? a former propagandist, a pimple on his body, trying to teach history without knowing it
              1. +1
                16 September 2021 20: 34
                Quote: Ryaruav
                and let us know from Klim Aleksandrovich Zhukov whether you are a fagot or not?

                Ask! All doors are wide open in front of you.
            3. -1
              16 September 2021 22: 50
              Quote: kalibr
              Left: Collectivization was carried out. On the right, 159 million head of cattle were slaughtered.

              And to understand why they stabbed and write about it is not destiny?
              Yours is rather primitive - the Soviet government carried out collectivization, which means it slaughtered 159 million heads of cattle. So in the subtext. The figure is, of course, the ceiling.
              1. 0
                17 September 2021 06: 31
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                The figure is, of course, the ceiling

                Yes you are right. I was wrong with the figure - 153 million. Stalin brought it at the 17th congress, and he also said why they killed. 5% of the kulaks advocated slaughtering 95% of the peasants.
          2. +1
            16 September 2021 20: 09
            Quote: Svarog
            that the ego demands recognition

            You are wrong, sir. My ego does not require your recognition at all. Recognition is when your books are bought and read all over the world. This is a confession, yes.
          3. 0
            16 September 2021 22: 41
            Quote: Svarog
            I express my attitude to your work .. And mind you .. only when it concerns the Soviet period .. and when about handicrafts .. knights .. Here you do great!

            We know a lot about the Soviet period even without Shpakovsky. Therefore, his bloopers are immediately visible. I am sure that there are the same bloopers and "about crafts .. knights .." just to reveal these bloopers no one wants, as unnecessary.
            1. 0
              17 September 2021 09: 32
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              no one wants, as unnecessary.

              Well, let's say, the book "The First Complete Encyclopedia of Samurai" was checked at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences before giving a grant for it to the Russian Humanitarian Science Foundation, and the same was the case with the book "Atlas of Samurai". So they check and still like there is someone who needs it. Well, three books about crafts published in the USSR. There the reviewers were like uncut dogs. They paid for books very well then. They were allowed to the trough ... for quality. However, how do you know all this.
      2. +2
        16 September 2021 22: 10
        I also spoke about this article. Normal article, calm.
        From it, I clearly saw that the struggle against religion in the USSR was waged not only and not so much from above, but from below. Although the author does not draw such a conclusion, it follows from the material.
    4. +2
      16 September 2021 19: 22
      Bravo, Michael !!! good
      1. 0
        16 September 2021 19: 30
        And what about me? At least spit aside! laughing drinks
        1. +9
          16 September 2021 19: 46
          The point is that you spat on the blade of the Tatra mill. No, I do not argue, Shpakovsky is odious in his assessment of the USSR, but the documents are
          1. +6
            16 September 2021 19: 55
            Anton! What do you want me to bring the documents too? Read the solutions of the pairs of sessions! Isn't it a document? Read Ilf and Petrov. And where is this doom? No! On the contrary, faith in the future! And now? Pure negative ..
            1. 0
              16 September 2021 20: 16
              Quote: ee2100
              Read the solutions of the pairs of sessions!

              Congresses are - YES! In Comrade Stalin's report at the 1933th Congress, he compared 1929 with 153, and it turns out that over the years the country has lost 5 million head of livestock. That is more than half. He explained this to the three that during collectivization, the kulaks slaughtered livestock and persuaded others to do so. The same report by Comrade Stalin says that kulaks made up about five percent of the rural population. That is, 95% persuaded XNUMX% to slaughter livestock. Moreover, they say that they exploited the labor of others, that is ... the discomfort was from them to the peasants. And even class hatred. And on you ... they listened and went to cut. They listened to their "splutators". "The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe!"
            2. -1
              16 September 2021 20: 39
              And where is this doom?
              What do we know about doom?
            3. -1
              16 September 2021 21: 15
              I want that in assessing the history of our country there is no bias with personal experience.
              1. 0
                16 September 2021 21: 32
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                I want that in assessing the history of our country there is no bias with personal experience.

                Is this even possible?
                1. +3
                  16 September 2021 22: 16
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Is this even possible?

                  Perhaps. But only when not only direct witnesses leave, but also their grandchildren, who heard their stories. Therefore, I love the Middle Ages. smile
                  1. +2
                    17 September 2021 06: 36
                    That's why I love the Middle Ages
                    I agree. hi
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    6. +4
      16 September 2021 19: 46
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      I'm wondering what conclusions from it (articles) readers can draw.

      According to your answer:
      No offence... feel Are you surely the Master of the Trilobite, not the Trident?
      On the subject:
      Shpakovsky has a broad outlook and there are certain skills and ability to present material about what no one has seen with their own eyes. He forgot that we managed to capture part of the history of the USSR by the fact of our birth. I do not presume to talk about collectivization and dispossession of kulaks in Ukraine or in the Krasnodar Territory, but I imagine the processes of the Siberian countryside very realistically. I also remember the stories of those who moved from the Kuban, who were leaving the excessive attention of the state in the person of the employees of the GPU and the NKVD. In our city, many of them remained for permanent residence.
      Rightly noted here:
      Quote: Nasr
      The topic is colossal, according to archival materials, facts, the number of people affected ... Peasant uprisings do not happen just like that .. the peasant must work every day to get a harvest, and not raise uprisings. But since you reflected it (the topic) ... yes, you didn’t reflect it, some general words and a couple of numbers ... I don’t expect to continue! ...

      (although I am also not happy with his statements)
      BUT!!! stop The topic is really deep and it is not necessary to talk about it while weaving the slave labor of ministers on church lands. Why on earth did God's servants become the owners of the land? Did the king give it to you? This is who and where did he get them?
      It is better not to touch upon this topic, relying on the true truth of the archives of the GPU, written by (by whom ???)
      Do you know why Vasily Shukshin's stories are permeated with sincerity? Because ... The most interesting publications are obtained from people who describe their own life (the time in which they lived).
      hi
      1. -7
        16 September 2021 19: 57
        Quote: ROSS 42
        He forgot that we managed to capture part of the history of the USSR by the fact of our birth.

        Don't laugh at my slippers ...
      2. -2
        16 September 2021 19: 58
        Quote: ROSS 42
        who describe their own life (the time in which they lived).

        When I do this, many people don't like it either. Everywhere a wedge, wherever you throw it.
      3. +4
        16 September 2021 20: 42
        ROSS, except for the trident, I agree: "the ability to bring the material" he has a talent.
        “who were leaving from excessive attention” one of my grandfathers “dispossessed”, and then said: half of the “activists” had to be shot - there was too much arbitrariness and sitting personal accounts.
        I agree: Shuashin's penetration is stories. I have a feeling that these are real events, in order to write like this you need to feel
      4. +4
        17 September 2021 08: 04
        If you want no offense, then you do not need to rinse your nicknames. I can also clarify whether you are exactly Ross, not ... races.
        As for the rest, I was recently told that one of my acquaintances, whose opinion I am used to reckoning with, knows for sure that in Sweden they do not like such a character as Carlson. I looked: dozens of reprints of the book, several film adaptations, a bunch of different productions. Whom to believe? To a respected person or dry figures?
        So
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Siberian village processes

        in their entirety, without familiarizing yourself with a large number of documents or, at least, the works of those who familiarized themselves with them, you will not be able to comprehend in any way.
        1. +2
          17 September 2021 12: 33
          that Sweden doesn't like a character like Carlson

          Yes, he told me too. laughing
          How is it? .... I ... do not love me? But I'm better than a dog! crying



          If you want no offense, then you do not need to rinse your nicknames.

          Absolutely fair remark. hi

          In general, the forum can be summarized in one phrase: "About how Vyacheslav Olegovich again ate you-know-what, and once again learned a lot of new and interesting things about himself." Sarcasm! But this is always the case ...
          1. +2
            17 September 2021 15: 05
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            "About how Vyacheslav Olegovich ...

            No not like this. The trend is now to start the title of the article with the word "How". "About that" is clearly superfluous. laughing
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            ate you-know-what,
            ... And became You-Know-Who? laughing
            Horror! Shpakovsky is the Dark Lord of liberal reaction. Terrible Voldemort for devout communists. wassat laughing
            1. +1
              17 September 2021 15: 08
              Horror! Shpakovsky is the Dark Lord of liberal reaction. Terrible Voldemort for devout communists.

              In general, he is the most terrible Black Lord on the site! wassat and why only I communicate with him .. cry ... and communicate ... laughing
    7. +5
      16 September 2021 20: 01
      I'm wondering what conclusions from it (articles) readers can draw. Conclusions on the topic

      In its content, today's article, it seems to me, is not the history of state and law, but rather the history of Soviet everyday life. Moreover, it was during the period considered in the article that the foundations of a new way of everyday life in the USSR were laid. The 20-30s in this regard are a paradoxical time, a combination of the old and the new way of life.
      Therefore, I suggest that the author curtail the series "History of State and Law" and start a new one - "History of Soviet Everyday Life". Moreover, this does not mean an ethnographic description of everyday life, but precisely the history of everyday life - the meaning that people of a certain era put into their everyday life.
      This topic is very interesting, but it is practically absent in the historical literature.
      1. +2
        16 September 2021 20: 11
        I put you a minus, because you are proposing a topic for the "author" that is suicidal! We're still alive! And what will the Penza oracle tell us? Another burst of feces? It's not complete!
        Somehow by, Viktor Nikolaevich!
        With my full respect for your knowledge!
        1. +6
          16 September 2021 20: 28
          Well, minus yours, to be honest, did not upset me, here there are such minusers a whole team struggles.
          And what will the Penza oracle tell us?

          I think, if he wants, he will tell a lot of unknown and interesting things, because in spite of your fervent commentary and minus, directly on the topic of Soviet everyday life, especially the pre-war period, the knowledge of the majority, and the overwhelming majority, is extremely vague and haphazard.
          Well, about sketches - this is the most popular genre on the site. After all, the audience is not capable of a normal discussion, only a srach. The authors take advantage of this, exploiting the lack of a culture of communication for their own selfish purposes.
          There you wrote something about feces. And with figures and facts from the documents, can you refute the author's, as you say, sketch?
      2. 0
        16 September 2021 20: 24
        Quote: Undecim
        "History of Soviet everyday life".

        Nice thought. Now this topic has just been dealt with very closely. My head of the department defended her doctoral degree on the topic: Analytics of the culture of everyday life in the Volga region: a philosophical aspect
        the topic of the dissertation and the abstract for the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 24.00.01, Doctor of Philosophy Rosenberg, Natalya Vladimirovna, 2010, Tambov. And there are also dissertators in cultural studies and also in everyday life, ethnography, and many other topics. The web is full. Need to think...
      3. +2
        16 September 2021 20: 36
        Quote: Undecim
        but in the historical literature is practically absent.

        This is a chronic problem of Soviet / Russian history. About anything except about people, their way of life, psychology in different eras, etc. Everything about tsars and about nobles, the state and wars And without the history of the people and their lives, this is essentially not history but some kind of court chronicle
        1. +5
          16 September 2021 20: 40
          Recently, there has been clear progress. It's just that local authors, in the overwhelming majority, are infinitely far from the real processes in modern historical science.
          1. +1
            16 September 2021 20: 59
            Well, I wouldn't say that about "my" Rosenberg ...
            1. +4
              16 September 2021 21: 20
              I was talking about authors writing for the site. "Your Rosenberg" seems not to be seen on the site.
              1. 0
                16 September 2021 21: 25
                Quote: Undecim
                I was talking about authors writing for the site. "Your Rosenberg" seems not to be seen on the site.

                I didn’t realize, of course. And by the way, thanks again for the topic. Today I was just writing another material and could not decide where to insert it. And here it is ... now it worked for him and it turned out not bad at all.
    8. +3
      16 September 2021 20: 21
      Mish, good evening: "I do not share the views" here I completely agree with you. We have different views with him. But he deserves to be read carefully and then "digested"
    9. +2
      16 September 2021 21: 48
      Colleague, Mikhail, let me state my guess.
      Some colleagues are already allergic to Vyacheslav Olegovich's anti-Soviet passages and, without analyzing the article, they rush to attack Vyacheslav Olegovich.
      Let's be frank to "provoke polemics": Vyacheslav Olegovich does it masterfully. His skill and turn in the other direction!
      R.
      S.
      Perhaps I am mistaken, but Vyacheslav Olegovich today did not seek to tarnish our history. He is almost impartial.
      Contrary to the decisions of the 12th and 13th congresses of the party, for what purpose is the question, they closed churches and mosques. This is reality.
      Not all priests were truly believers. This is also reality. Here the ex-priest becomes a teacher or actor in a drama club. Here Vyacheslav Olegovich did not lie.
  7. -1
    16 September 2021 19: 25
    The anomaly of humanity - the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR, for their country and people all 103 years of the Soviet, and the post-Soviet periods they created, for their country and people always had and is only stupid, evil AGAINST everything Soviet, they have no one and nothing good for their country and people never existed and never did.
    So, they from Perestroika rage against the Soviet collective farms, but not ONE of them for all these more than 30 years has not proved that the agriculture of the Republic of Ingushetia or the Russian Federation is better in terms of the efficiency of agricultural production and the quality of life of peasants than the Soviet collective farms.
    1. -1
      16 September 2021 19: 44
      Quote: tatra
      that the agriculture of the Republic of Ingushetia or the Russian Federation is better in terms of the efficiency of agricultural production and the quality of life of peasants than the Soviet collective farms

      I will write about this, Irina, and soon. There is a living example before my eyes.
      1. -1
        16 September 2021 19: 52
        Just try to write as a normal, adequate, honest person, and a citizen of Russia, who is for the best for Russia and the Russian people, and not as enemies of the communists with their nonsense, which before the communists "Russia fed the whole world", and exposing them for their "achievements "in comparison with the USSR, that they, having destroyed two-thirds of the cattle in Russia, grassing the people with low-quality bread with a bunch of chemicals, export a lot of grain from Russia. And the fact that they produce a lot of "sausage" without meat, at best, they put chicken in the sausage, instead of beef and pork, as in the USSR.
        1. 0
          16 September 2021 20: 19
          I will even show you the address of this place. You can contact him yourself and check everything ...
        2. 0
          16 September 2021 20: 33
          Bread is growing now on continuous chemistry, there is a constant application of fertilizers and chemical weeding during the growing season. Due to this, there is a high yield, but there is such an indicator of the usefulness of grain grown using these technologies - wild boars try to bypass these crops. Previously, this was not the case, hunters even specially sowed areas for feeding wild boars. Boars went to those fields, they don't want to. Previously, fertilizers were also used, but not in such quantities. In the spring, when sowing, they fell asleep in the fertilizer box of the seeder, well, they could feed it with ammonium nitrate after germination.
          1. +1
            18 September 2021 10: 08
            Quote: Waterways 672
            Bread is growing now on continuous chemistry, there is a constant application of fertilizers and chemical weeding during the growing season.

            Do you remember 100 million tons of wheat purchased by the USSR per year?
            Grain was purchased from the USA and Canada. from your point of view, was it with or without chemistry?
            [quote = Waterways 672] Previously, fertilizers were also used, but not in such quantities. In the spring, when sowing, they fell asleep in the fertilizer box of the seeder, well, they could feed it with ammonium nitrate after germination.
            [/ Quote]

            or

            Can you comment on it yourself?
            Why is it interesting that the USSR was depleting all these fertilizers for the production of which it was in first place in the world?
            At the same time, managing to produce such a quantity of agricultural products on this amount of fertilizers, that if the people did not have summer cottages and buy food in the United States, the people would start starving.
    2. -4
      16 September 2021 20: 40
      So, they from Perestroika rage against the Soviet collective farms, but not ONE of them for all these more than 30 years has not proved that agriculture of the Republic of Ingushetia or the Russian Federation is better in terms of efficiency. The Russian agricultural sector is better in terms of efficiency. "The volume of agricultural production in Russia in 2017 amounted to 5,7 trillion rubles (about $ 100 billion) and this with subsidies in the region of 300 billion rubles. The leading industry is crop production, which accounts for 54% of agricultural production, the share of livestock production is 46%. by type of farms: agricultural organizations - 53%, household farms - 35%, farmers - 13% Russia is developing quite well without any massive collective farms - it was not they who made the growth of agricultural enterprises in the USSR, but the state farms and, of course, MTS.
    3. +3
      17 September 2021 08: 48
      Agriculture of the Russian Federation is significantly more efficient than collective farms, since it is built on agricultural holdings, and the agricultural holding can either maintain the equipment itself, creating its own MTS, or lease it, i.e., they simply returned to the Stalinist principle at a higher level.

      Proved by a simple comparison of the volumes of grain harvest and plowing, there is about the same amount of grain as in 1989 (no more eating), plowing is significantly less, that is, with the same productivity, costs are less. There are also several times fewer tractors, because instead of 10 "Belarusians" one tractor can now be used, which carries on itself such a complex of equipment that no one dreamed of in the 80s.

      The collective farm, on the other hand, is a mechanism for transforming the rural community, and in this regard, at least, the peasants understood it, since their land was already in communal ownership.
  8. +6
    16 September 2021 19: 26
    I was especially jarred when the author claims that the stories of ancestors are not a source, so the documents must be trusted 100%. The expression "Paper will endure everything" is evident to the author, not knowing, because this phrase did not appear in the everyday life of the people from scratch. You know, you are similar to Professor Paganel from the story "Children of Captain Grant", he also became a professor of geography without leaving his office.
    1. -4
      16 September 2021 19: 40
      Quote: Shiden
      You know, you are similar to Professor Paganel from the story "Children of Captain Grant", he also became a professor of geography without leaving his office.

      The main thing is that it has become, isn't it ?! Try to become, you will see - it is not easy at all. To get started, master at least three recommended dissertations. It is clear that you will not read them yourself. It costs money and is difficult. But abstracts are free. Read ... And then speak about the professors. And about stories ... there is even such a science - source studies. Take a look on the Web and read about it and how it works.
      1. +1
        16 September 2021 20: 10
        You know from your statements you are the same professor who appeal with reports and documents, statistics and figures. Yes, at least a dozen dissertations and everywhere there will be references to archival documents where the life of people of that era will not be shown behind dry numbers. Professors historians also wrote, but my grandmother, having three children in her arms, did not see her when she was born. So who to believe the historians or the grandmother who lived in that era.
        1. 0
          16 September 2021 21: 24
          Quote: Shiden
          So who to believe the historians or the grandmother who lived in that era.

          Particulars have always been and will be. As well as general. Is not it? Memories are always valuable, but I would not advise you to study history "according to your grandmother."
          1. +1
            16 September 2021 22: 35
            That is, you want to say the recollection of those people who lived in that era is not history, but a fairy tale with their own past and non-bystanders, but a dry document written by an official, party worker or journalist is a true story.
            Quote: kalibr
            Particulars have always been and will be. As well as general. Is not it?

            Not this way ! The memory of the fact and the price that a person lived in that era saw everything good and bad with their own eyes, and not that historians are digging through dry clerical documents. Here is an example for you during the Second World War, most men born 24 years old died and how historians are serving this on the basis of documents, and they immediately conclude that we attacked and the German defended himself. But talking with his grandfather, a veteran who, at the age of 17, a week and a half after the liberation of the village, already went on the attack, I believe that we filled up the German with meat. Although historians may have read the documents and orders of that era, but the conclusions seem to be to please the authorities, they wrote this story.
          2. -3
            17 September 2021 00: 44
            Nobody knows the history of their family better than grandparents. And this is a page from the history of his family, albeit not the best. The history of the country should not be confused with the history of his family or clan, they are certainly inseparable, but each of them has its own characteristics. Why and by what right do you give such advice, you are not the secretary of the district committee?
        2. -1
          17 September 2021 00: 37
          Granny, of course. Only it is not the historian's fault that she did not see this money.
          As many doctors, for example, did not receive at all or received only a small part of what was prescribed by the president's instructions. That is, there have always been unscrupulous people, in other words, thieves and embezzlers who ate, robbed, lacked sleep, did not fill, etc. In your case, such an "unscrupulous" person was most likely an employee of the Security Council, who, according to reports, came out that your grandmother regularly and regularly received the pension due to the children.
          And what about the historian, he took an official document and wrote a scientific or analytical article and that's it. It was not he who deceived her and robbed her. Is Shpakovsky not interested in writing about this?
          1. +1
            17 September 2021 06: 38
            Quote: alystan
            It was not he who deceived her and robbed her.

            And how can I prove that someone cheated and stole? I am not a prosecutor's office or an investigator.
  9. -3
    16 September 2021 19: 34
    Colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich, good evening.
    I already yearned for adequate material and companionship
    1. -3
      16 September 2021 20: 06
      Quote: Astra wild2
      friendly communication

      Well, you will not wait for friendly communication with such a topic. And the most interesting thing: people complain - science in one place, people in another. Here ... science has come to people. Take it and read it. Is it bad again? How does it feel? Here are learned people and do not write for ... IN, for what sake?
      1. +1
        17 September 2021 08: 21
        Yes, the "friendly" communication turned out
    2. 0
      16 September 2021 22: 19
      How do you understand?
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 00: 24
        He imagined himself a scientific luminary, like he writes about this.
  10. +2
    16 September 2021 19: 56
    The priest was portrayed as a curmudgeon, and a lazy person, and a drunkard. Although, of course, this was far from the case.

    Would you, in confirmation of your words:
    The source is a document, thousands, millions of sheets of originals, which are stored in the archives.

    They raised the layer of truth, opened the blind eyes to the statistics of harvesting grain and grain-legumes, milk yield in liters and harvesting in centners (poods) in this particular "branch of the national economy" ... belay
    You know, I'll tell you this ... Gref also believes that he personally earns money by his hard work ... It is a pity that the "stupid" people do not consider it a great deal of work to give money in growth ...
    1. 0
      16 September 2021 21: 56
      So Gref hired people. With specific experience and knowledge. This is not for you to dig up a vegetable garden. Everyone can dig a garden, and very few can manage Sberbank.
      1. -2
        17 September 2021 00: 22
        And he doesn't think so, and no one hired him? And how do you know he's hired?
        Poor thing, almost bonded, almost a galley slave ?!
  11. +1
    16 September 2021 20: 08
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: alystan
    the desire to read the article disappears ...

    And it is not necessary. The main thing is that you have already made two clicks. And that's enough!

    Hence the conclusion to catch you: do not comment at all.
    You yourself said that the more srach the better you
    1. -2
      16 September 2021 21: 01
      Quote: vladcub
      Hook you

      It won't work anyway.
  12. -3
    16 September 2021 20: 17
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Shpakovsky has a wide outlook and there are certain skills and ability to present material

    My applause and sincere thanks!
  13. -3
    16 September 2021 21: 18
    "by the congress they were condemned as a leftist bend," and some authors stated that Vladimir Ilyich Lenin encouraged such a thing. They also deliberately manipulate the statements to make it seem believable.
    “However, the process was going on below. The churches were closed by colleagues, or maybe it was a deliberate act of sabotage to undermine the people's confidence in the Soviet regime and sow a semen of interethnic strife?
    I was told that in the Caucasus, the process of the formation of Soviet power was very painful. It is known that Muslims do not, to put it mildly, do not welcome pigs and built pigsties in Muslim villages. They destroyed mosques, and if you comment on these facts: "Russians are doing this deliberately: they are our enemies, but we must fight the enemy"
    Quite a possible scenario.
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 00: 18
      And the Jews were resettled there. Also a possible scenario. Or did they rush there themselves?
  14. -1
    16 September 2021 21: 49
    Quote: out of habit
    Are there 29 thousand miners in Gorlovka in 18 years? belay

    Perhaps an extra zero has been added?
    1. -1
      17 September 2021 00: 17
      Do you think the author is like him, he specifically added an extra zero?
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 08: 17
        A colleague "out of habit" considers the figure 18000 doubtful, but asked
  15. +2
    16 September 2021 21: 54
    In my opinion an interesting article. Methods of recoding people's consciousness have become even stronger due to the development of the Internet. I was interested in the opinion of rural youth about the "backwardness" of the elderly and their parents. If my memory serves me, then the advertising campaign in the Russian Federation of the first iPhones just inspired potential buyers that "being backward is bad, buy our iphon". Also, the same carmaker VAG pushed its fragile DSG-7 and no less fragile TSI under the slogan "manufacturability and advancement." And a miracle, though the people reviled the VAG, they continued and continues to eat the cactus. The same scheme was apparently used 100 years ago. For young animals are not able to give a correct assessment of the current reality for obvious reasons.
    Yes, they destroyed everything to the ground, a lot of people rotted away. And all somehow in vain or something. They created the Union as a new formation, through the rivers of blood and hardships. And there is no Union and no new formation. As well as millions of people who did not fit in.
  16. +1
    16 September 2021 22: 14
    Shpakovsky, was the peasantry Soviet at that time, and what did you find funny about it?
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 06: 40
      Quote: Nikolai Alexandrovich
      But was the peasantry at that time Soviet and what struck you as funny about it?

      Once lived in the Soviet Union, then the Soviet. And about the funny will be the next material.
      1. 0
        17 September 2021 08: 28
        The Soviet Union appeared in 1922.
        1. +2
          17 September 2021 09: 46
          And collectivization began in the 29th ...
      2. 0
        17 September 2021 20: 49
        Lived in the Soviet Union, but the Soviet Union did not live in it.
  17. +3
    16 September 2021 22: 53
    Tellingly, the so-called kulaks also tried to place their children in the city. Let the regional center. Land surveyor, financial inspector, but only to the city. Peasant labor is very hard and thankless. Weather, harvest, and you have to plow every day, count. So collectivization was largely a boon for the majority of the peasants. Especially if a tractor appeared, and then a combine. Yes, and workdays, as a rule, were not sticks, but the real part of the harvest given to the collective farmer at the end of the season. To feed your own livestock or to feed yourself. Yes, plus your own garden, your own cattle. What is characteristic, recalling the articles of perestroika on collective farms, were to a large extent written by Jews, who for generations themselves did not imagine peasant life and share.
    1. -2
      17 September 2021 00: 14
      This is when they were left without pants, or rather without farm laborers. It was difficult to carry out such a volume of work for those who have a large family and adult children. And that cannot be compared with when they only "ruled" dozens of forced laborers.
      The Jews have written the whole history, rewrote it more than once, and still continue to do this. This is the role they have assigned to themselves by God's chosen ones.
    2. +3
      17 September 2021 08: 40
      First, why are the so-called fists.
      Secondly, only in the city you can get an education, and only in the city is all the movement.
      Thirdly, collectivization is not just a blessing for the peasants, it is a mechanism that made it possible to form large farms, which can already be provided with technology, without ruining tens of millions of farms, which would lead to a massive expulsion of peasants from society, and ultimately the death and such riots that the civilian flowers would seem. Western farming, after all, it took shape for 3 years, by gradual ruin and wasting with peasantry, when every year it died in a ditch, or left for the city, or even in the colony there were very few ruined, so that this would not be a gap for society as a whole, and as a result, small some of the most successful and eventually formed large farms. Russia wasted it all. And then there was Khrushchev with his abolition of the MTS, the transfer of equipment directly to collective farms, where it could not be maintained normally. If not for him, then, most likely, the collective farms in the 200-60s would have been transformed into state farms, that is, agricultural enterprises with hired labor. Although in the 70s there were cadres on the collective farms who earned so much on the combine that the factory workers in the city quietly envied.
      Fourth, only office fools can believe that the country will work for sticks.
      1. +1
        17 September 2021 10: 19
        As for the salaries, I can say that other salaries in collective farms were envied not only by the city ones, but also by the sailors going abroad.
        My grandmother said that my grandfather's relatives could earn more than 10 thousand rubles per season.
  18. -1
    17 September 2021 00: 13
    To cite "Jack Vosmorkin" as something historically indicative ... And will our time be judged by Pelevin? The author began so beautifully, denouncing all of us sinful non-historians on you.
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 09: 50
      Smirnov wrote it in 1930. So this is quite a historical thing. If he had written lies, our Soviet criticism would have mixed him with mud ...
      1. 0
        21 September 2021 13: 44
        What does the year have to do with it? It's not a documentary. Let's judge the world of the 19th century by our Jules Verne?
        1. 0
          21 September 2021 17: 30
          Quote: Marten
          Let's judge the world of the 19th century by our Jules Verne?

          And that would be a very good judgment, by the way! It’s bad if you don’t understand this. Here I have a novel - it's a pity that you did not read it - THREE FROM ENSKA, in the first part of which the case takes place in 1918-1922. So there is NO SINGLE HISTORICAL FACT to which there would be no reference. Or advertisements in magazines, or cookbooks, or documents from the archives. People read, but there is an electric kettle, a vacuum cleaner ... they don't believe. And I copied them from advertising in the Niva - a kettle from 1901 and a vacuum cleaner - 1910!
          So it's actually a documentary, which, by the way, confirms both Jack-Vosmerkin and my novel!
  19. 0
    17 September 2021 02: 02
    The publication of materials from the archives of the NKVD about the life of Soviet collective farmers, as always, caused an ambiguous reaction from the VO reading audience.
    The funny thing is that these four volumes themselves can be read on the Internet today. But only one person read them, although almost everyone who visits VO declares that they are “interested in the history of the Russian state”. They are interested, but they do not read PSRL, they do not read collections of documents from the Russian State Military Academy, and there is no talk of Soviet newspapers of that time, but "knowledge" is sprinkled out of them.

    The funny thing is that analytical information, reports and reports in the OGPU-NKVD-MVD / KGB are (are) employees who, like any person, had a subjective opinion. Regarding statistics, there is a saying - "there are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics" attributed to Mark Twain, Benjamin Disraeli, Charles Dilke or Henry Labouchere, etc.
    Along with economic problems, there were also serious problems in the spiritual sphere.
    During the Civil War, post-war devastation, changes in the outlook of the younger generation, and some of the rural priests not only "cut their hair" changed their activities, or were exiled, but also emigrated. The population in the countryside had no time to pay for ritual services with money or natural products, they could survive on their own.
    Young people did not want to wear an old village costume, considering it a symbol of age-old backwardness. A military or paramilitary costume was popular among men, which was also due to the fact that many peasants retained uniforms from the First World War and the Civil War, as well as stocks of uniform fabric.

    The question is not in the fashion "a la military", but in practicality, civilian manufacture at that time, as such, was not particularly, as well as fabrics, but there were many military clothing in the post-war period of any cut. In addition, the demobilized had no other clothes other than riding breeches, tunic, boots / boots, overcoat, cap / budenovka or hat.
  20. ear
    +2
    17 September 2021 05: 25
    Quote: ROSS 42
    If you decide to arouse hatred in us for the Soviet regime, then - hell there ..


    There is no need to idialize neither Soviet power, nor tsarist, nor Russian.

    I welcome the spread of knowledge about Russia as much as possible.
  21. +1
    17 September 2021 08: 28
    And the decline in the population as a whole throughout the Soviet Union in 1915-1923 is estimated at 25-29 million people.


    Obviously nonsense, there are 2 million dead in WWI, there are also few killed in civilian combat, just due to the small number of fighting, terror, however, especially from the whites, they literally made Siberia red by the atrocities of Kolchak, the famine of 1921 in the destroyed country, well, I'll believe a million in 3. Well, yes, typhus and other delights. But here millions are hard to scrape together. Where did the rest come from? From perestroika "Ogonyok", but in fact no one really knew then?

    especially horses, which in wartime was requisitioned into the cavalry


    Horses are not requisitioned into the cavalry, since very large and specially trained horses are used in the cavalry, they were raised specially, for peasant farms they are too expensive to maintain, especially in Russia, where they simply do not have enough food. And in general, horses for the army in the village were very reluctant to breed, since a horse does not mature quickly, and is generally expensive. A peasant horse in the army could only be harnessed to a cart. And harnessed. The 76 mm cannon is a weapon that is pulled by 2 horses, everything that is larger, before the mass introduction of the mech. traction was extremely difficult to transport.

    It is not surprising that during the Civil War, priests in droves fled to the whites, and those who remained often renounced their dignity and were appointed teachers, went to secretaries of village councils, became rural clerks, journalists (!), Promoted atheism (!), Were engaged in agriculture and even carpentry. At least one village priest is known who led the drama club and even played on stage himself, and his most favorite roles were the priests, whom (well, of course!), He played simply masterfully.


    And who supported the civil priests? Who were they drinking tea at a party? From peasants who are hungry themselves? No, of course, the landlords and the kulaks. They fled to their supporters. And then the Soviet government deprived the church altogether of funding. The actual destruction of churches is the result, for the most part, not so much of anti-religious hatred, although the priests have already gotten everyone, but of the lack of the ability to support them. The same St. Basil's Cathedral and other architectural monuments were carefully guarded by the Bolsheviks, and there are still so many ancient churches in Moscow that there is nowhere to spit.

    And that the priest in atheism, so if a person sincerely believed in his youth, and then saw enough of all this internal church abomination, then he will easily hate religion. At the same time, a normal priest, this is also a psychologist, and his education is very good, he may not believe himself, but he understands that some people need this, well, they have nothing in their life but God, and such a person can continue to perform your work, if it is in demand.

    a company was also held to melt church bells into metal for factories.


    If the church is closed, then the bells are no longer needed. The only question is to give a propaganda focus to the collection of scrap metal.
    1. +1
      17 September 2021 09: 33
      Quote: EvilLion
      And harnessed. 76 mm cannon is a cannon pulled by 2 horses

      These are six horses, moreover artillery, very voracious for the peasant business, poorly suitable.
      Horses requisitioned from the population are mainly transport. As it turned out, there was a lot of cargo to be transported.
    2. 0
      17 September 2021 10: 53
      And who are the fists? Answer me, something is not very clear ..
  22. 0
    17 September 2021 10: 52
    What a libel? Article to nowhere ..... People went to collective farms, mostly horseless (poor people), in large families everybody worked, young and old, and the authorities did not like it. And they began to drive the rest by force, and who and to exile to Siberia (by the way, such a measure would be very suitable for local embezzlers).
    1. 0
      17 September 2021 14: 37
      At first, ideological, after money, and then if there were not enough people in the agricultural holding, then they kicked the workforce. Let's get to the third stage in a modern corporation.
  23. +1
    17 September 2021 14: 22
    Quote: Svarog
    but during abortions under the king, significantly more women died than in the USSR ... and with the development of medicine in the USSR, everything was much better ..

    Where does this information come from? Give me a link!
  24. 0
    17 September 2021 14: 35
    Somewhere here or on YouTube I heard that the free peasants did not really like it when a hermit monk got started near their side, this led first to crowds (tourists), then to a church, a temple, a cathedral, and then this temple, the cathedral calmly rewrote the surrounding free peasants in their church property with all the rent and read the joy.
  25. +1
    18 September 2021 12: 51
    My grandmother's large family was dispossessed and exiled to Vyatka in the 30s, my grandmother and sister returned later to their native village and became the leaders of collective farm animal husbandry, such is the story ... Such is the "Salt of the People." Revenge, and a trifle and bitterness of grievances against their homeland, no matter how unfair it is, do not spread. She is alone, and excessively politicized officials, envious, careerists, informers and losers and their slander are dust and a trifle of the soul, so it was and so will.
  26. 0
    22 September 2021 17: 47
    My grandfather was the chairman of a collective farm in the 30s. My aunt and uncle talk about this period of his activity with humor, highlighting the mistakes of a novice manager from the height of his education and leadership experience. The aunt was deputy head. UKS of the city, and my uncle was the director of the institute, doctor of science. But what was it like for my grandfather, without education and experience, to organize a large peasant farm with a huge number of unknowns. In the end, he was removed from the post of chairman for excesses, mistakes, fun riding a troika with a bubble and an accordion. From the very first days of the war, my grandfather went to the front as a volunteer and died, covering with a machine gun in the hands of his fellow countrymen, who fled from the trench.
  27. 0
    23 September 2021 00: 04
    Quote: tatra
    And how brazenly, demonstratively, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people falsify the history of their country and people.
    First, they impudently blamed the Bolsheviks for the Civil War unleashed by the White Guards, White Cossacks, and their accomplices, the invaders of Russia.
    Secondly, they all citizens of Russia who lived in the territories seized from Russia during the Civil War - and there were more than 20 million of them, were dumped in the "destroyed" by the Bolsheviks.

    /////////////////////////////
    Read at least "The Red Terror through the Eyes of Eyewitnesses" about the events just before 1923.
  28. 0
    29 September 2021 19: 12
    So maybe they will say - why there was nothing to eat, and the moonshine was driven. From which moonshine was driven. Some of the recipes of that time were sold by Ostap Bender for the Americans, and he learned from the peasantry. From which they drove moonshine, which were drunk in the villages.
  29. 0
    6 November 2021 23: 40
    The epigraph has killed! If, I decide to post an article and place the lines from "The Word about Igor's Campaign" as an epigraph, then this will not be considered a history, other assumptions are possible !?