"The rest of the countries would support the war with Turkey": the Romanian press on the possible reaction of Russia in the event of the closure of the Black Sea straits

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Since the end of June, Turkey has been building the Istanbul Canal with a length of 45 km and a cost of $ 25 billion. The beginning of the construction of a bypass route in relation to the Black Sea straits was apprehended in neighboring countries.

As noted in the Romanian edition of Romania Military, firstly, the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus are not territorial and internal waters of Turkey, although geographically they are within its borders. This is due to the fact that Ankara has not ratified UNCLOS (UN Convention on the Law of the Sea) due to "eternal" disputes with Greece over the islands in the Mediterranean Sea.



Secondly, traffic through the straits is governed by the Montreux Convention, which guarantees free transit of civilian ships (except for pilotage) and provides for restrictions on the tonnage and time spent by warships in the Black Sea.

According to the author, Ankara, building a bypass canal, hopes to bypass these "taboos". However, he explains that Turkey has no legal basis to impose a ban on the movement of merchant ships through the straits. At the same time, the desire for "easy money" has already led to the fact that Ankara raised the question of a possible withdrawal from the Montreux Convention. The author believes that it is also predictable that this agreement will be boycotted without its formal denunciation by means of setting various bureaucratic obstacles for ships that have chosen straits for crossing over a canal. But in both cases, Ankara will have a tough reaction.

The closure of the straits can be viewed as an act of war, in the event of participation in which Russia would be right, and the rest of the countries would directly or tacitly support Moscow

- listed in Romania Military.

The Romanian press points out serious differences between the Istanbul Canal being built and other similar objects. Thus, navigation on the Danube is free, which is regulated by the Belgrade Convention of 1948. At the same time, Romania has built a paid Danube Canal, which leads ships to the Black Sea. It reduces the length of the crossing by 400 km, significantly saving time and fuel.

But in the case of the Istanbul Canal, what is the economic logic? Should you fork out without saving time and fuel? Turks want to ask for money for a service available, according to the Convention, free of charge. Well, is this a business?

- the author asks rhetorically.

For our part, we will also ask ourselves the question: who will prevent Turkey, without quarreling with Russia and without withdrawing from the Convention, to force other countries to use the channel? Moreover, the states located on the Black Sea can hardly be called friendly towards the Russian Federation, and Moscow has no particular reason to stand up for them before Ankara.

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  1. -8
    12 August 2021 14: 29
    “At the same time, the desire for“ easy money ”has already led to the fact that Ankara raised the question of a possible withdrawal from the Montreux Convention. straits, not a canal. "Why? Why is Turkey worse than Egypt with the Suez Canal or Panama? Or the Turks, bypassing the Montreux Convention, want to give US aircraft carriers access to the Black Sea?"
    1. +12
      12 August 2021 14: 41
      Quote: Walking towards the light
      Or does the Turks, bypassing the Montreux Convention, want to give US aircraft carriers access to the Black Sea?

      And the point is to pull this trough into the Black Sea?
      1. -3
        12 August 2021 14: 49
        How are we going to defeat Turkey.

        Attention ! - Chilled analytics.

        1. -48
          12 August 2021 16: 13
          To defeat Turkey, it is necessary, at least, to start a war with Turkey. And our Tsar-Father will naturally never agree to this under any circumstances, from the word at all. There are several reasons for this, but the main one is that our Tsar-Father, unlike the Turkish Sultan, is cowardly beyond all measure and in his foreign policy he can exclusively engage in chewing mucous secretions from the maxillary sinuses and nothing else. Even with Ukrainian "banderlog" he cannot figure out where he should butt with the Turks. laughing: So our Tsar-Father will pay tribute to the Turkish Sultan, where will he go laughing .
          1. +16
            12 August 2021 17: 41
            Maybe your Central Asian khans are cowardly, although another definition is better. And Putin is just smart, he will get everything he wants anyway, but without a war. At least not without the Big War.
            1. -29
              12 August 2021 18: 48
              As for the Central Asian khans, please go to the Central Asians. Well, about our ardently beloved Tsar-Father, well, he received so much since May 14, so much that it is downright hard to bear.
              1. +10
                12 August 2021 20: 53
                Maybe you want a king - a priest, like in a Banderland?))) So, no problem - Parasha is unemployed, soon Zenelokh will also be there))) they are brave and patriotic)))
                1. -20
                  12 August 2021 21: 12
                  You can laugh at the banderlog as much as you like, if you honestly have something to do with it. Only now they have at least some kind of ideology, albeit a fascist one, but an ideology. And what is ours? Is everything for sale?
                  1. +5
                    12 August 2021 22: 02
                    Ha - ha, three times))) all Banderastic ideology fits in one icon $))) a lot of such pieces of paper - a lot of potsriots, no pieces of paper - there are no potsriots or ideology)))
                    1. -20
                      12 August 2021 22: 04
                      Well, how do they differ from us in this case? We also have patriotism mainly not just for money, but for a lot of money.)))))
                      1. +8
                        12 August 2021 22: 35
                        Quote: Russian Central Asia
                        To defeat Turkey, you must at least start a war with Turkey

                        It is true that Putin will try with all his might to prevent Russia from being drawn into the war. And cowardice has nothing to do with it. Let Russia and can defeat Turkey. Not as easy as shown in this video, but it can. Here are just:
                        1) Russia does not need this nafig, because in case of victory it will have to feed the horde of Turks in a country with a war-ravaged economy. And, since the Russians are not Europeans, they will be fed. And the Turks will not join the Russian economy, but prefer to live on subsidies. Like the Baltics in the USSR. It won't end well
                        2) The seizure of the straits by Russia will definitely be the beginning of the Last World War, after which there may be no mankind left.
                      2. -23
                        12 August 2021 22: 55
                        Summarizing all of the above, we can conclude that the whole future fate of Russia will consist in being a small cowardly mouse, quietly sitting in your hole and in no case even trying to count on something more, (for this there are words that more accurately define this state, but I will not write them, because they are all unprintable.) And after that, someone else there demands that the people show patriotism and be proud of this country? Well, yes, you surprised me immensely. And yes, by the way, I want to remind you for a moment that the conversation is about the so-called Great Nuclear Power, with an ammunition equal to that of the United States (or maybe I don’t know something and all nuclear ammunition for a long time now either it is not ammunition, or it has been sold and taken out by respected Western partners, well then you are right, suck it off, everyone who is not too lazy to swallow and wipe off is the little that we still have left, but then why all these stupid statements about what else will we show everyone?) Tell the people honestly- People, we fucked everything up, we are nobody and call us, nikah. We dissolve our country, live as you can. and how you do it. Sadly, however. And in conclusion, why should we feed the defeated Turks? Usually it is the losers who feed the winners. The fact that we are Russian is, excuse me, not an argument.
                      3. 0
                        14 August 2021 16: 55
                        Summarizing all of the above, we can conclude that the whole future fate of Russia will consist in being a small cowardly mouse, quietly sitting in your hole and in no case even trying to count on something more

                        Find in history where Russia attacked some states! Usually, the Russian soldier liberated only his own territory from enemies or helped free neighboring states from enemies. By the way, many countries independently accepted the citizenship of the Russian tsar. Especially the Central Asian ones called Turkestan!
                      4. -19
                        12 August 2021 23: 48
                        And yes, by the way, something tells me that you are wrong. If we’re afraid of something, it’s obviously not the last nuclear war (I think he doesn’t believe in it, he just doesn’t believe in it at all) and there is no need to feed the Turkish horde - he is a smart man and would probably find a way to make the Turks work. But he is afraid that his respected Western partners, if he only dares to twitch without permission, will immediately block his personal accounts in Swiss banks and the accounts of his dear childhood friends in all the same Swiss banks, and what exactly is this and it will be, he was told on 07,05,2014 by his respected partner with a funny surname Buchhalder, who at that time was also the President of Switzerland, as well as the head of the European Commission. And our vovchik and comrades will lose everything "earned" by back-breaking labor and taken out in an unknown way to this very Switzerland with its banks. By the way, you have a chance to watch all this on YouTube, just fill in the search engine "Putin's press conference on 07,05,2014," I highly recommend it, you will get an unforgettable experience. laughing
                      5. 0
                        13 August 2021 11: 29
                        Taking into account the problems that are now facing Erdogan, the canal will take a long time and costly to build. so - this is not tomorrow's problem or even the day after tomorrow.
                      6. -3
                        14 August 2021 00: 52
                        Quote: Shurik70
                        in case of victory will need to feed
                        horde

                        This is some kind of nonsense of an inflamed imagination. Which has already been picked up by many. You have to think of this before! A prerequisite for victory is to feed the loser !!

                        This oxymoron was not invented by you at all. It arose after the Kremlin, under pressure from the West, left defeated Georgia in the bosom of Western influence. In spite of the victory, they left unsparingly. And at their own expense they restored Tskhinvali. Strange, isn't it? Who really won?
                        The Kremlin officials designated their departure back home - as compulsion to peace. The main reason for the (false) shameful departure is the need to feed the enemy in the event of a final victory.

                        Surprisingly, the methods of NLP, which the Russian elite have become adept at, work very effectively with a large part of the population that is not used to thinking critically. And in the conditions of deceitful capitalism, this is simply vital.
                      7. 0
                        13 August 2021 11: 26
                        You are just patriots, we have violent patriots, but only for money))))
                2. +4
                  13 August 2021 06: 12
                  You also forgot to add a certain Miho to this list - a tie-making guy. He's also a guy without work.
                  1. 0
                    13 August 2021 11: 30
                    Yes, he is not bored even in Banderland. In addition, there is a desire to return to their historical homeland and steer again. Maybe the second war with Russia, it will turn out at least a couple of hours longer))))
              2. +8
                12 August 2021 21: 57
                There is an opportunity to show yourself personally. So to speak with your own hands to wipe Putin's nose. Show it right. Donbass will be happy with such a super warrior-strategist. With the admission to the ranks of the fighters, I can contribute. Or is it still weak? Strong only on the tongue?
                1. -20
                  12 August 2021 22: 16
                  it made sense in 15-16-17 years. Well, now what is the point of participating in the war, if those on whom you hoped as a strong rear and protection, suddenly took you and stupidly merged. If they wanted to really help Donbass, they would have been accepted into the Russian Federation long ago. But accounts in Swiss banks, both personal and friends, turned out to be more dear to our commander-in-chief than Russian people. You can even try to refute this with foam at the mouth, but everyone understands that this is exactly how everything is. I think that you yourself perfectly understand this. Well, if you don’t understand, I’m sorry for you.
                  1. +8
                    13 August 2021 06: 22
                    It is easy to fight by pressing the buttons "Claudia". Do you think Russia needs a war? For the straits or for something else? Or there are no problems in the Russian Federation without a war? I don't like much in the Russian Federation, and here you are right - there is no ideology. There is no understanding of WHAT the country should be left to its descendants. But I believe that President Putin makes decisions according to the information that he possesses as the head of state. Do you have access to such information? I suppose not. As well as I, however. You are a supporter of the revolution - and the GDP is a supporter of evolution.
                2. +2
                  14 August 2021 14: 45
                  Duc, tweet, do not roll bags wink
          2. -8
            12 August 2021 18: 01
            NATO consists of 30 countries. NATO armies in 2018 spent over $ 1 trillion on defense, and Russia - $ 46 billion. , so the sultan, as a petty gopnik can nightmare everyone In the Russian Federation, the population is 140 million. In your opinion, we should not "chew snot" and give everyone a "bribe"?
            1. -1
              14 August 2021 08: 07
              One of the most significant reasons for the existence of NATO is just the mandatory purchase of American weapons by them, as well as membership fees))), which again go mostly overseas))). The weapon is good, but not so good that they can use it to encroach on the striped hegemon supplier. And the weapon is banally more expensive, so the spending is more. All this, of course, does not in any way speak of "throwing our hats."
              By the way, in the event of their victory, the meaning of NATO disappears, so the amers benefit from the situation with a not very strong Russia, because with the help of their fear of it, they keep all their "allies" in check, forcing them to buy more and more weapons and pay more and more contributions ... Well, with their help, keep Russia within the framework. Simple, but not so bad, and it works))).
          3. +8
            12 August 2021 20: 52
            I remember how they spoke skeptically about GLONASS, you are just a skeptic!))) and your ears are sticking out)
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          5. -1
            13 August 2021 19: 10
            You are partly right (especially in the first comment), but be careful in your comments, otherwise the sofa analysts will minus and deprive you of the vote ,,, I did not participate in the discussions for three or four years (business trips), and now for what I personally saw or said PEOPLE , minus, deprived of the right to vote, but do not care about the rank, look what these "generals" write!
            I love my homeland, I think that I am a patriot, but ...
            Probably for this, most of those that were 5 years ago are now gone ...
        2. -7
          12 August 2021 17: 49
          Article 5 of the NATO charter. The war will not be with Turkey, but with NATO, and no matter how quickly NATO countries declare war on the RF. There will be a Big War even in a week, even a month after the defeat of Turkey. If, of course, NATO countries have the courage to start a Big War.
          1. +4
            13 August 2021 11: 57
            Quote: Walking towards the light
            Article 5 of the NATO charter. The war will not be with Turkey, but with NATO, and no matter how quickly NATO countries declare war on the RF. There will be a Great War even in a week, even a month after the defeat of Turkey.

            It's true. Any NATO country dreams of turning into a smoking desert for Turkey's sake. In addition, every NATO soldier dreams of giving his life for Erdogan. And article 5 of the charter, as you may remember, says that each country itself determines the degree of its participation. Undoubtedly, all NATO countries will unanimously decide to commit suicide.
          2. 0
            14 August 2021 09: 30
            The war will not be with Turkey, but with NATO


            Yeah. Sure. Here's how NATO will go to fit into Turkey:

            - Year 1. We will discuss in the Parliament what is happening in Turkey. We endorse the NATO declaration and our commitment to the North Atlantic Pact. 1000 Bulgarians will enroll in the Russian army. Fortunately, the tradition exists.
            - Year 2. Parliament will resign and go to the polls. The first volunteer Bulgarian battalion in the Russian Army will begin hostilities.
            - Year 3. The Bulgarian Army will begin mobilization. Terms of 2-3 years. The Thracian division, as part of the Russian army, occupies Adrianople. The city is free again.
            - Year 4. The Bulgarian army begins rearmament and enters the war in 5 years. If Parliament approves the war. We have to fulfill the contracts. The third volunteer Bulgarian front, as part of the army of the Russian Federation, together with the Greek army, takes under the protection of Constantinople and declares a no-fly zone over the city. NATO comes out with a condemnatory declaration.

            This is how NATO support will flow. And this could have already been in 1912. We were then 30 km away. from Constantinople. Well, well .... look don't screw up the disintegration of Turkey again. After Erdogan, he is inevitable.
        3. +1
          13 August 2021 15: 23
          Stupidity, of course, but not devoid of meaning. Read the opposite. It is enough to influence economically. Erdogan "realizes" himself.
        4. +1
          13 August 2021 21: 34
          How are we going to defeat Turkey.


          Turkey is a very unstable state internally. In the first place, the problem for Ankara in the event of a large-scale conflict will be ethnic minorities, primarily the Kurds. Moscow can blow up Turkey from the inside without lifting a finger by raising the issue of their oppression for decades and promising to recognize the independence of Kurdistan.

          I am sure that in the event of a large-scale conflict between Russia and Turkey, Greece will not stand aside, striking the Turks. At the same time, the Greeks, although they have a lower level in technical terms, the army, however, its weapons are very numerous and its fighters are very strongly motivated against Turkey, the war with the Turks is in the blood of the Greeks, remembering the centuries of slavery, oppression and genocide by the Ottoman Empire.

          But under its current leadership, I would not designate Armenia as an ally. I am sure that there will be no problems with Azerbaijan in the event of a large-scale conflict, since in the event of a strike on Armenia or Dagestan under such conditions, Iran will deny itself the issue of solving the problem with the region stolen from it by the Turks, which is the Republic of Azerbaijan.
      2. 0
        14 August 2021 17: 05
        So Russian drivers need to swim and train somewhere. wink laughing
    2. +6
      12 August 2021 17: 39
      An aircraft carrier in the Black Sea is an excellent target for a DBK.
    3. 0
      13 August 2021 14: 17
      Quote: Walking towards the light
      Or does the Turks, bypassing the Montreux Convention, want to give US aircraft carriers access to the Black Sea?
      Haven't you watched the video? Everything is explained in detail there! lol Joke! The video is in Turkish, I don't understand it yet, unlike the author. Apparently you are right, and for how long such a lot of money will be repaid and what the Sultan is counting on when erecting such a structure, I also do not understand yet.
      1. 0
        13 August 2021 18: 49
        As people who walk through the Bosphorus say, the payback periods are quite realistic, the Bosphorus is quite loaded and sometimes the transit time can take a long time.
    4. 0
      5 October 2021 01: 21
      The Montreux Convention regulates not only the passage through the straits, but also the right to the temporary maintenance of ships in the Black Sea by other countries.
  2. +9
    12 August 2021 14: 30
    For our part, we will also ask ourselves the question: who will prevent Turkey, without quarreling with Russia and without withdrawing from the Convention, to force other countries to use the channel? Moreover, the states located on the Black Sea can hardly be called friendly towards the Russian Federation, and Moscow has no particular reason to stand up for them before Ankara.


    1. Skip the line to the Mediterranean Sea
    2. Let some kind of dangerous goods through the canal (oil, gas, chemistry)
    3. Some kind of large ships (I don't know if there is a limitation)
    1. -19
      12 August 2021 14: 39
      Loot by itself, but Turkey is a NATO member. This channel is dangerous for the Russian Federation in that it will nullify the Montreux Convention and make the Persian Gulf out of the Black Sea, where the US AUG will graze like in their backyard.
      1. +11
        12 August 2021 14: 48
        Quote: Walking towards the light
        the channel is dangerous for the Russian Federation in that it will nullify the Montreux Convention

        How, isn't the convention only about canals, and not about restrictions on stay in the Black Sea?
        1. 0
          13 August 2021 21: 12
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          How, isn't the convention only about canals, and not about restrictions on stay in the Black Sea?

          I was about to answer, but Pavel has already described everything perfectly! smile
      2. +9
        12 August 2021 14: 56
        The convention, as I understand it, refers to the Straits. To both. And the channel bypassing the Bosphorus has no effect on the Dardanelles. And the timing of the ships' stay in the Black Sea - they also have nothing to do with the upcoming channel.

        Article 1
        “The High Contracting Parties recognize and reaffirm the principle of freedom of passage and navigation by sea in Straits»


        Article 18
        1. The total tonnage that Powers that are not coastal to the Black Sea may have in this sea in peacetime is limited as follows:
        1. +3
          12 August 2021 14: 59
          Quote: paul3390
          And the timing of the ships' stay in the Black Sea - they also have nothing to do with the upcoming channel.

          Right. In the same way as they do not have and to the straits. They are related to the sea.
          1. -5
            12 August 2021 15: 47
            The subject of the Convention is the passage of the Straits. What is mentioned about being in the Black Sea is written only in relation to the passage of the straits.

            . Section 1


            The High Contracting Parties recognize and reaffirm the principle of the right to freedom of passage and navigation in the Straits.

            The exercise of this right will henceforth be governed by the provisions of this Convention.

            If you are on dry or on the Danube, or in some other way, drag into the Black Sea, it has nothing to do with the Convention.
            Do not forget that in addition to the straits, quite a lot of states have access to the Black Sea - from Belarus to Austria. And if, for example, a Moldovan or Belarusian cruiser :)) enters the Black Sea not through the strait, then it will not fall under the Convention
            1. +4
              12 August 2021 16: 24
              Quote: Avior
              If you are on dry or on the Danube, or in some other way, drag into the Black Sea, it has nothing to do with the Convention.


              Not at all ...
              Not everyone thinks so.

              The construction of a new shipping channel "Istanbul" bypassing the Bosphorus will not change the international legal regime provided for by the Montreux Convention of 1936, RIA Novosti quotes the words of Russian Ambassador to Ankara Alexei Yerkhov.

              “It is necessary not to give in to various speculations. You need to understand that there is a Montreux convention, ”the diplomat explained.

              The head of the Russian diplomatic mission pointed out that the convention not only establishes the procedure for passage through the Bosporus and Dardanelles, but also introduces restrictions on the total tonnage of warships of the Black Sea and non-Black Sea states, as well as the duration of the stay of their ships in the Black Sea.

              "It is very important. The presence or absence of an additional waterway does not change the international legal regime established by the convention, "Yerkhov detailed.
              1. -6
                12 August 2021 17: 25
                Turks think otherwise - the canal does not fall under the convention
                “Istanbul channel has no connection with the Montreux convention. This channel will be an achievement for us, it will help to seriously relieve the Bosphorus Strait from the point of view of environmental protection, ”TASS quotes a translation of Mr. Erdogan's statement, which was broadcast by the Haberturk TV channel.

                The convention not only establishes the procedure for passage through the Bosporus and Dardanelles, but also introduces restrictions on the total tonnage of warships of the Black Sea and non-Black Sea states, as well as the duration of their ships' stay in the Black Sea.

                the text of the convention contains only restrictions on the passage of the straits, including one of the restrictions on passage - the total tonnage and the time spent by ships at sea. but only in relation to passage through the straits, the other convention does not apply
            2. +6
              12 August 2021 16: 43
              Once again - the Dardanelles will not help you in any way to bypass the new channel. And the convention - treats the restrictions in the Black Sea in general, the method of getting there is not indicated. This means - even if you drop from orbit, you still fall under the restrictions.
              1. -8
                12 August 2021 17: 30
                Separately, the passage of the Dardanelles is not mentioned and is not subject to the convention.
                Only "straits" - all together.

                Inspired by the desire to streamline passage and navigation in the Dardanelles, the Sea of ​​Marmara and the Bosphorus, embraced by the common definition of "Straits" ...

                Article 1



                The High Contracting Parties recognize and reaffirm the principle of the right to freedom of passage and navigation in the Straits.


                The exercise of this right will henceforth be governed by the provisions of this Convention.

                https://docs.cntd.ru/document/901884247
                The subject of the convention is unambiguously defined - the passage of the Straits.
                1. +1
                  12 August 2021 17: 32
                  Well? And how will this help you to pass the Dardanelles unconventionally? Or are they not the Straits?
                  1. -10
                    12 August 2021 17: 39
                    Yes, specifically the Dardanelles are not the Straits that are the subject of the convention.
                    read carefully
                    Straits are a generalized concept
                    in the Strait of Dardanelles, in the Sea of ​​Marmara and in the Bosphorus, embraced by the general definition of "Straits

                    that is, the word Straits in the convention means only a full complex of three components.
                    Separately, the passage of the Dardanelles in the convention is not stipulated
        2. -2
          12 August 2021 16: 36
          Yes, it probably is. Here they will finish building the canals and see what they are for. "For example," Russian warships will no longer be allowed through the Bosphorus.

          Turkey has begun passing the last of Russian warships through the Bosphorus, intending to close the passage between the Black and Mediterranean Seas amid growing escalation with Greece. According to Turkish media reports, as soon as Greece or other NATO countries try to create tension, the Bosphorus will be closed without warning, which in turn will leave the Russian naval base in Tartus without supplies.
          https://avia.pro/news/rossiyskim-voennym-korablyam-turciya-zablokirovala-vyhod-cherez-bosfor.Это сентябрь 2020 года.а теперь раскажите мне про свободу судоходства))Внимательно слушаю.
      3. +1
        12 August 2021 14: 59
        Quote: Walking towards the light
        Loot by itself, but Turkey is a NATO member. This channel is dangerous for the Russian Federation in that it will nullify the Montreux Convention and make the Persian Gulf out of the Black Sea, where the US AUG will graze like in their backyard.

        Why AUG "graze" in the Black Sea? This is a puddle for them, even the British F-35s with their scanty range flew from the Mediterranean. The aircraft may well be located on the territory of Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey, Georgia.
      4. 0
        12 August 2021 15: 01
        Quote: Walking towards the light
        Loot by itself, but Turkey is a NATO member. This channel is dangerous for the Russian Federation in that it will nullify the Montreux Convention and make the Persian Gulf out of the Black Sea, where the US AUG will graze like in their backyard.

        And at the same time it will be at the sight of whoever needs it, at a glance. How is that in English? .. Ah! Sitting duck.
      5. +4
        12 August 2021 15: 04
        Quote: Walking towards the light
        AUG USA will graze like in their backyard.


        You have already been asked about an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea - WHY is it there?

        I will also ask - WHY is there a whole AUG?

        Build shellfish reefs?
        1. -6
          12 August 2021 15: 18
          Probably I'm wrong. The collective farm, however. AUg is not only an aircraft carrier, from one to four cruisers of guided missile weapons (URO), two or three destroyers or frigates URO, 1-2 multipurpose nuclear submarines (NPS), carrier-based aircraft, ships supply. Thus, the AUG includes 6-10 warships. And this whole armada will go through a new channel saying, "We adhere to the Montreux convention, but this is about the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, and now you can write letters and complaints to the sexual reform league and to Zakharova's Twitter. So the Americans are breaking all contracts. Give only a formal reason. What is the first time or what? Treaty on Pro, "DON". USA nation of legal hookers))
          1. +3
            12 August 2021 16: 02
            What's the point? Get under the crosshairs of coastal complexes and be available for aviation ...
          2. +3
            12 August 2021 18: 57
            Quote: Walking towards the light
            the AUG includes 6-10 warships. And this whole armada will pass through a new channel

            You have been asked here 100/500 times about this - for what the hell is she going there? But you never answered
      6. +3
        12 August 2021 16: 31
        Quote: Walking towards the light
        , which will nullify the Montreux Convention and make the Persian Gulf out of the Black Sea, where the US AUG will graze like in their backyard.

        AUG USA will not graze there. we shoot all the Black Sea and there is no point in this AUG
      7. +1
        12 August 2021 20: 56
        Bastion and Ball, will meet the AUG and others like them very worthily .... the entry of such groups into the Black Sea is not advisable and is fraught with big troubles for them ...!)
      8. +2
        12 August 2021 22: 04
        If they give me my old PKK. and they will put you on a bicycle and tell you to ride here in circles / snakes so that you do not get hit, then I am sure that you will not ride for a long time. Not long at all. That will be the same with an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea. The kirdyk will fly to him instantly. If someone does not understand that this sea is completely covered by land-based aircraft and will drag this huge trough there.
  3. -1
    12 August 2021 14: 38
    the construction of the Istanbul Canal with a length of 45 km and a cost of $ 25 billion is underway.

    Turks want to ask for money for a service available, according to the Convention, free of charge. Well, is this a business?

    Therefore, I have two questions about it.
    1. What is the payback period of this project in the opinion of the Turkish side?
    2. There is a discussion on Turkish resources (following the example of Power of Siberia and SP-2) that this project will never pay off?
    1. 0
      12 August 2021 14: 52
      Quote: Lesovik
      There is a discussion on Turkish resources (following the example of Power of Siberia and SP-2) that this project will never pay off?

      And what is the payback period for example of a bridge across the same strait? The tunnel under it? Travel along them is free.
      1. -1
        12 August 2021 14: 54
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Which one then

        And what is the point of answering a question with a question?
      2. 0
        12 August 2021 15: 00
        Not a fact, for trucks it may well be paid.
      3. 0
        12 August 2021 19: 01
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        And what is the payback period for example of a bridge across the same strait? The tunnel under it? Travel along them is free.

        Would it be faster and more profitable to travel by ferry? And if the Turks charge a fee for the passage through the canal, then it will be possible to talk about recoupment.
    2. 0
      12 August 2021 15: 09
      Payback is not a problem - only ships sailing under the flags of the Black Sea states and which are their property will pass through the Bosphorus. All sorts of panamas and liberias go channel smile
      1. 0
        12 August 2021 15: 13
        Quote: dzvero
        only ships flying the flags of the Black Sea states will pass through the Bosphorus

        For such a decision, it is necessary to withdraw from the Convention.
    3. +3
      12 August 2021 15: 17
      The new channel is of military-strategic importance for Turkey.
      It's not about payback.
      1. +1
        12 August 2021 15: 29
        Quote: voyaka uh
        is of military and strategic importance for Turkey

        Yes, this explains the economic side of the issue, I agree. But the military-strategic importance, in my opinion, is somewhat doubtful.
      2. 0
        12 August 2021 15: 39
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The new channel is of military-strategic importance for Turkey.
        It's not about payback.


        How is it expressed?
    4. 0
      12 August 2021 21: 02
      google about the infrastructure built at the Power of Siberia pipeline, about a plant for the extraction of helium from gas, about the quality and difference of gas flowing downstream to China. very interesting thoughts arise ...)
      1. +1
        12 August 2021 22: 18
        Quote: TENET
        google

        Googled. Indeed, there is something to think about. And the conclusions are quite unexpected.
  4. +3
    12 August 2021 14: 39
    Except how to increase the bandwidth, nothing comes to mind. Like toll highways.
    1. -8
      12 August 2021 14: 42
      For US aircraft carriers.
      1. +1
        12 August 2021 14: 49
        And what will he do there? The whole AUG in the Black Sea is a bunch of convenient targets with no room for maneuver.
        1. -6
          12 August 2021 14: 54
          Probably, you know better. Only the entire experience of US warfare in the 20th century suggests that it is necessary to bring the AUG as close as possible to the enemy's shores. Otherwise, the US cannot. Panama, Iraq, Grenada, Bosnia, Kosovo.
          1. +6
            12 August 2021 15: 16
            The entire experience of US wars in the 20th century boils down to the unrequited carpet bombing of countries significantly below their military level. Nowhere was there a direct threat to the Aviks. Yes, only here the Navy somehow quickly subsided when approaching the DPRK. Where there was no illusory chance to lose a couple of ships. And in the Black Sea, it is practically a target field for the RCC of the Russian Federation.
            1. -5
              12 August 2021 15: 27
              It is YOU and I who think so and the public on VO and Sergei Kozhugetovich Shoigu. The Americans have been developing plans for a lightning strike against the USSR (RF) since 1947, if I am not mistaken. This is their psychology.
              1. +1
                12 August 2021 15: 31
                I agree that the United States is asleep and sees how to take possession of the territories of the Russian Federation, or, at least, take out everything of value. Only in the foreseeable future it will not shine for them. There must be too much of a catastrophe in our country for the defense capability of the Russian Federation to drop to the level of Iraq.
                1. 0
                  12 August 2021 15: 42
                  Have you read the OST plan? Americans cannot come up with anything new with regard to the Russian Federation. This was almost carried out in the 90s of the 20th century. And even now the propaganda of the Russian Federation does not work much inside the country. What about the OST plan? "There are many abortions for Russians, a lot music, music should be played all the time, little education, a lot of drugs, promiscuous sex "Does it work?
                  1. 0
                    12 August 2021 15: 49
                    Works?

                    Not really how I look. There is always a percentage of people "biting" on the promotion of an easy life. But the rest of the percentage is extremely negative about the United States. The vaccination of the 90s sobered the minds.
                    Unfortunately, the propaganda of the Russian Federation, news, prospects, all this is drowning in the tsunami of Western propaganda.
                    You are right, Western propaganda is still everywhere and has a lot of influence. But more and more people reject it because the lie is no longer even covered up.
                    1. -2
                      12 August 2021 16: 10
                      "Chernukha" in the media from morning to evening. Crime chronicle, talk show about incest and dividing the dough between relatives. Earlier you turned on the second channel, and then Academician Kapitsa explains to you what a neutron star is or how the Sun works. Lyapota. " After that I want to live "as Harry McKew said in the movie" The Man from Boulevard des Capucines "))
                      1. +1
                        12 August 2021 16: 13
                        "Chernukha" in the media from morning to evening.

                        Don't watch TV. And the Internet is full of useful information. On any topic. You just need to strain a little and begin to learn, not degrade.
                      2. -5
                        12 August 2021 16: 30
                        The Internet is a dump worse than TV. Perhaps the Chinese were right when they made a large Chinese firewall.
                      3. +1
                        12 August 2021 16: 33
                        Not worse, but better - you have a much wider choice than 5-10-50 TV channels. It is enough to ask the person what educational video he watched the last time and ... everything will become clear.
                      4. -3
                        12 August 2021 16: 57
                        I saw and heard myself. A friend has a computer store. People come to buy a computer. They ask him, "which one do you need?" TV with one channel)). And so yes freedom.))
                      5. +2
                        12 August 2021 16: 59
                        . He is asked, "what do you need?"

                        We delete from the gene pool. good
      2. +1
        12 August 2021 14: 59
        For US aircraft carriers.

        Are you seriously suggesting that the mattress makers push the AUG through the channel into the Black Sea ?? belay what
        1. -5
          12 August 2021 15: 03
          Seriously, there are simply no other reasons.
  5. -6
    12 August 2021 14: 39
    Since the end of June, Turkey has been building the Istanbul Canal with a length of 45 km and a cost of $ 25 billion.

    Well that's right, while we are building a nuclear power plant for them for 20 years with a dubious prospect of a refund, you can boo
    1. +7
      12 August 2021 14: 46
      We build nuclear power plants for them on credit. And the loan is also worth something. In addition, the fuel will also be ours, and you also have to pay for the fuel. And since only the Russian Federation provides a full cycle of fuel turnover, and others simply will not be able to service our reactors, Turkey is deeply addicted to our nuclear power plants.
      1. -4
        12 August 2021 14: 54
        Quote: Wedmak
        We build nuclear power plants for them on credit.

        We build nuclear power plants on the "build, own and operate" principle. That is, build for your own money, own and maintain yourself, and recoup the money spent on the Turkish market yourself. Well, until the sultan decides to privatize all this for the good of the Turkish people
        1. +3
          12 August 2021 15: 06
          We build nuclear power plants on the "build, own and operate" principle. That is, build for your own money, own and maintain yourself, and beat off the money spent on the Turkish market yourself

          You probably did not read further.
          Russian contractors undertake obligations for the design, construction, maintenance, operation and decommissioning of the station ...... The bulk of supplies of equipment and high-tech products for the implementation of the project falls on Russian enterprises. The project provides for the maximum participation of Turkish companies in construction and installation works, as well as companies from other countries.

          That is, Turkey will pay for the whole thing. The Turks, with their technologies in the nuclear industry, can only dig a pit and pour concrete.
          1. -5
            12 August 2021 15: 12
            Quote: Wedmak
            The project provides for the maximum participation of Turkish companies in construction and installation works, as well as companies from other countries.

            It is not enough to read further, it is also important to understand what you read. How does this information change the essence of what I wrote? Well, Turkish companies will take part in the construction, so what? They will dig ditches and fill them with concrete. They are very good at this, no one argues with that. Only now this whole banquet is paid for by Russia.
            Akkuyu is built on the "build-own-operate" principle. What do you want to argue about? This is the first such case in nuclear power
            1. +1
              12 August 2021 15: 23
              Yes, I was a little wrong. But Russia will easily beat off all investments by delivering nuclear fuel. And since the nuclear power plant is essentially the property of the Russian Federation, it turns out that no one will be able to supply their fuel there. And it will ensure the sale of electricity at a fixed price for 25 years. I agree that there are risks, but there is also a benefit.
              1. -5
                12 August 2021 15: 36
                Quote: Wedmak
                Yes, I was a little wrong. But Russia will easily beat off all investments by delivering nuclear fuel. And since the nuclear power plant is essentially the property of the Russian Federation, it turns out that no one will be able to supply their fuel there. And it will ensure the sale of electricity at a fixed price for 25 years. I agree that there are risks, but there is also a benefit.

                I am not saying that this model has no right to exist. It would be built like this in some other country, but not in Turkey. History doesn't seem to teach anything ...
                And not 25 years, but 15. And this is not 100% of the generated electricity from each unit, but only a certain percentage. There are still a lot of all sorts of "nishtyaks", too lazy to paint. At least, the information that is in the public domain, for me personally, is extremely upsetting.
                1. 0
                  12 August 2021 15: 44
                  I read. But it looks like Rosatom is trying a new sales model. The country undertakes to buy only electricity "locally", providing land, some works, access, etc. It is beneficial for the country to the buyer - there are no problems with the purchase of fuel, operation of complex equipment, disposal. And it is profitable for salesmen - a competitor will not fit in any way, stable money from the sale of electricity.
                  In the event of force majeure, the client will remain with the nuclear facility in his territory without knowing what to do with it. And most likely without electricity, heat and light.
                  I think something like that.
                  1. -5
                    12 August 2021 15: 57
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    I read. But it looks like Rosatom is trying a new sales model.

                    So they would try somewhere in the conditional India.
                    In the event of force majeure, the client will remain with the nuclear facility in his territory without knowing what to do with it. And most likely without electricity, heat and light.
                    I think something like that.

                    Too naive bully Do you think they will send our specialists there? In terms of technology and implementation, they are great. But in terms of calculating the risks ... Or, which is more likely, they are simply hindered by politics, and here you just bow your head.
                    Look at these light faces:

                    This is the fourth graduation of Turkish nuclear scientists under the personnel training program for the Akkuyu NPP. More than 40 people.
                    Link to Rosatom: https://rosatom.ru/journalist/news/bolee-40-turetskikh-vypusknikov-novogo-potoka-poluchili-rossiyskie-diplomy-o-vysshem-obrazovanii-vo/
                    1. +1
                      12 August 2021 16: 00
                      And yet I do not think that Rosatom is so stupid to build a nuclear power plant in Turkey "for good relations." Even for political reasons.
                      1. -2
                        12 August 2021 16: 08
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        And yet I do not think that Rosatom is so stupid to build a nuclear power plant in Turkey "for good relations." Even for political reasons.

                        Read my post above? Why in Rosatom? It is the politicians who are implementing this project. And someone's "furry" hand fumbles over the pocket of the Russian Federation. If something happens, it is not Rosatom that will scoop it up.
                        For the same reason, the ports of the Baltic States have been loaded to capacity for a long time. Because respected people bought them and made a profit. Giving a paw to the deputies of the State Duma. And how tired the authorities were, broadcasting their will through Volodin and shutting down this shop. And then there were dozens of deputies against
                  2. -5
                    12 August 2021 16: 33
                    Oh, it’s in vain that you hold the Turks for morons. Managing a nuclear power plant is certainly not selling seeds, but there is nothing particularly secret and prohibitively complicated in this process. Even if they cannot cope on their own, then they have enough money to hire any personnel for this, even former brothers, even our nuclear scientists. They will offer a salary of 3-4 pieces of green a month, so there is also a line of RosAtom employees to line up for them. As the saying goes, "Loot conquers evil" laughing
                2. -3
                  12 August 2021 16: 42
                  Yes, there is nothing complicated and mysterious in this. (I also use Newton's binomial). It's just that the Turks at one time very well gave someone from the top of RosAtom, well, let's say the same Kiriyenko, so he shoved such a contract that was unfavorable for the Russian Federation. As the saying goes "Nothing personal, just business" laughing Naturally, it is practically impossible to prove this, and no one needs it, but as life experience shows, all this is exactly the case.
      2. 0
        12 August 2021 14: 55
        Quote: Wedmak
        others simply will not be able to service our reactors, Turkey is firmly addicted to our nuclear power plants.

        Yes, not a fact. On non-brothers, they will work out the technical process and forward to victory.
        1. 0
          12 August 2021 15: 11
          Where will they work? In Ukraine, or what? Erdogan is unlikely to follow the path of Ukraine. Why would he experiment with fuel at new power units? At Westinghouse, fuel is significantly more expensive. The Turks are smart enough to send the United States with nuclear fuel, as they have already done with the Patriot air defense system.
        2. KCA
          0
          12 August 2021 15: 35
          The non-brothers have an exclusion zone where an SNF storage facility is planned or is already being built, but will Westinghouse want to take SNF from Turkey? Do they need it? In Turkey itself, there is simply nowhere to build a storage facility, so they will not go anywhere from TVEL and Rosatom, well, if only they completely shut down the nuclear power plant, and even then, after the shutdown, the fuel still needs to be removed and disposed of somewhere
          1. +1
            12 August 2021 16: 53
            Quote: KCA
            they won't go anywhere, well, if only completely

            We do not know the future.
            You never know what tomorrow Erdogan will dream about. Or maybe someone else will be in his place. Yes, and everything happened with us.
    2. -3
      12 August 2021 16: 22
      Russia is a generous soul. She is ready to give the last shirt, just to please the Turkish Sultan laughing
  6. +2
    12 August 2021 14: 41
    But isn't the convention only about the straits, does it not limit the stay of foreign warships in the Black Sea?
    1. +1
      12 August 2021 14: 44
      The total tonnage of warships and vessels simultaneously staying in the Black Sea should not be more than 45 thousand tons, and of any one non-Black Sea country - 30 thousand tons. Moreover, regardless of the purpose of their stay, they cannot stay there for more than 21 days.
      1. -4
        12 August 2021 15: 01
        Quote: Walking towards the light
        The total tonnage of warships and vessels simultaneously staying in the Black Sea should not be more than 45 thousand tons, and of any one non-Black Sea country - 30 thousand tons. Moreover, regardless of the purpose of their stay, they cannot stay there for more than 21 days.

        30 thousand is general maximum for non-Black Sea countries. 45 thousand is an opportunity to increase to this value
      2. 0
        12 August 2021 15: 51
        These are the conditions for the passage of ships from non-Black Sea countries through the straits.
  7. +2
    12 August 2021 14: 42
    They want to develop a barrier business.
    1. +1
      12 August 2021 16: 35
      Quote: Humpty
      barrier business


      Well, why not? LNG from Qatar, which the Turks do not allow through the Bosphorus, will easily flow through the Istanbul canal ... This is so, offhand.
      Well, the convention describes all the restrictions in peacetime. In the event of a mess, everyone will spit on them (and legally). As a matter of fact, spitting on restrictions can lead to confusion))

      And the winners are in a mess, then they will justify any of their actions ...
  8. +1
    12 August 2021 14: 47
    "The rest of the countries would support the war with Turkey": the Romanian press on the possible reaction of Russia in the event of the closure of the Black Sea straits
    ... If only ... who now needs this particular conflict so much that they can ignore all the risks associated with it?
  9. +3
    12 August 2021 15: 22
    The Balkan country is eager to fight. How unexpected! By someone else's hands. It never happened, and here it is again! Warriors ...
    In case they have to fight, the sovereign unofficial)) with the opinion of Romania, both positive and negative, all interested parties will be wiped out in unison. Found, you know, a geopolitical player! Gypsy empire ...
    If Turkey tries to take money from us for the passage of the Straits, that of the newfangled canal, we should return to the initiative of Comrade Gromyko, who, of course, proposed in this case to dig a wide passage in the place of the Straits with a pair of hydrogen bombs. And if at the same time Turkey does not become, then not bad. But if the Turks wisely do not take money from our ships, then let them fight as much as they want from the Romanians, Bulgarians and Ukrainians. I do not like? Go to Washington, ask there.
    1. -4
      12 August 2021 16: 52
      Great idea hi drinks , I support in every possible way, only, it seems to me that you accidentally beguiled the times. It is not worth comparing those times and the leadership of the country in which Gromyko ruled the Foreign Ministry, and the present times, when the entire foreign policy of the Russian Federation mainly consists in chewing mucous secretions from the maxillary sinuses laughing
      1. +1
        12 August 2021 21: 14
        cheyto obamka from your maxillary sinuses, rubbing ... bully
        1. -1
          12 August 2021 21: 22
          I understand that you, my dear, just didn't have enough brains to write something smarter and more meaningful. I sympathize.
          1. +1
            12 August 2021 21: 25
            I read from top to bottom everything you wrote and this summary .. crying
            1. -1
              12 August 2021 21: 33
              Just to read does not mean to understand. Some people have such a congenital disease - a lack of understanding of the written text. If a child has been dealing with relevant specialists since childhood, or is being trained in a specialized school, where correctional work is carried out with him, then over time, this disease goes away. But, apparently, you are just out of luck. Once again, I express my sympathy to you.
              1. +1
                12 August 2021 21: 40
                a veiled insult like_this is different ...!)) Now the frame sticks out right out of your mouth hi
                1. -1
                  12 August 2021 21: 54
                  I have to express my sincere sympathy to you for the third time. Apparently alligophrenia of the second and third degree is not amenable to treatment. And for heaven's sake, don't think I'm trying to offend you. This is not so, I am rather trying to diagnose you based on the text you wrote. And it's not my fault that this diagnosis is so disappointing. sad
                  1. +1
                    12 August 2021 21: 56
                    the frame does its dirty work in your head wassat
                  2. +1
                    13 August 2021 12: 14
                    [quote = Russian Central Asia] second and third degree alligophrenia is not treatable. [/ quote]
                    What a horror. Is this something to do with alligators? Or with alopecia. Or what are the larvae in the stool or redness at the fifth point?
                    [quote = Russian Central Asian], I'm rather trying to diagnose you based on [/ quote?
                    Powerful diagnostician. And most importantly, literate. I envy
  10. +2
    12 August 2021 15: 24
    And what, the Bosphorus will not allow ships to pass? He's not going anywhere.
  11. 0
    12 August 2021 15: 29
    The closure of the straits can be viewed as an act of war, in the event of participation in which Russia would be right, and the rest of the countries would directly or tacitly support Moscow
    belay Oh, who is this, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Austria? NATO members.fool The channel is needed to increase cargo traffic and earnings for Turkey, + remove Montreux's restrictions on the displacement of warships to put pressure on Russia, the passage of US aircraft carriers into the Black Sea, although this is pointless, but we will be sausage.
  12. 0
    12 August 2021 15: 51
    So it seems that both channels are indicated in the convention - the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles.
    The Bosphorus can be duplicated, but what about the Dardanelles?
    Or a kind of legal incident - the convention specifies two straits, but if at least one is not used, then it is already possible not according to the convention?
    Panamanian must be dug in Nicaragua.
  13. 0
    12 August 2021 18: 04
    Quote: Walking towards the light
    "Chernukha" in the media from morning to evening. Crime chronicle, talk show about incest and dividing the dough between relatives. Earlier you turned on the second channel, and then Academician Kapitsa explains to you what a neutron star is or how the Sun works. Lyapota. " After that I want to live "as Harry McKew said in the movie" The Man from Boulevard des Capucines "))

    In humans, by nature, as in any living organism,
    the instinct of self-preservation is laid, which, conditionally, can
    divided into three components. So, being still a primate,
    the person only thought about:
    a) can I eat it?
    b) Will it (lion, lightning) kill me?
    d) can I have a continuation of the family with this?
    And now, if you noticed, if it killed (car, tree),
    a lot of people are going ("Could THIS kill me?")
    Over tens of thousands of years, nothing has changed and all media
    these three instincts exploit - what you cannot turn on, what you cannot open -
    food advertising, where who was killed, who sleeps with whom and how, photos for every taste - on the stream.
    And hundreds of millions, with drooping lips, watch and read.
    Some say HOMOSAPIENCE!
    Others are the SUPREME BEING!
    Ничего подобного.
  14. 0
    12 August 2021 21: 12
    The Istanbul Canal is nothing more than bypassing the Suet Canal with all the consequences ... China, Kazakhstan, Crimea, Turkey, Europe. Everything else around this topic is idle chatter.
  15. +1
    12 August 2021 22: 23
    I think if someone invests such amounts, then he no longer has questions for what and how he will repulse. Likewise, with all approvals, everything is agreed and paid for.
  16. 0
    13 August 2021 15: 27
    Tricky question.
    And what REALLY interests does Turkey pursue with this construction?
    Can anyone explain clearly, and not hypothetically?
  17. 0
    13 August 2021 16: 28
    Quote: Cron
    Quote: Walking towards the light
    Or does the Turks, bypassing the Montreux Convention, want to give US aircraft carriers access to the Black Sea?

    And the point is to pull this trough into the Black Sea?

    Why not? Let's imagine the following picture: an American aircraft carrier passes into the Black Sea and rushes, surrounded by ships of the aircraft carrier group, directly to the Crimea. It enters our territorial waters, he doesn’t care about all our ships, because such a “trough” cannot be squeezed out "in bulk", "roll-on". Coming to Sevastopol, what are we going to do? I do not believe that this aircraft carrier will be sunk, it is not a "Flying Dutchman" in the form of some "Defender". This is a war, and whoever says that wars have become different in our time, in my opinion, is mistaken, because Americans only respect strength when the words of their opponents do not diverge from deeds, when there is no duality in politics and deeds. Therefore, they can use the Turks, as the British used them in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries.
  18. +20
    13 August 2021 17: 59
    But in the case of the Istanbul Canal, what is the economic logic? Should you fork out without saving time and fuel? Turks want to ask for money for a service available free of charge under the Convention

    It's no secret that the canal is being built to bypass the Montreux convention. This means that the main ships there will be NATO ships. They will charge a fee for their passage.
    1. 0
      13 August 2021 18: 40
      And what are the advantages of the Turks from Montreux? Why don't they just say that Montreux does not meet modern realities and is not denounced?
  19. 0
    13 August 2021 18: 17
    No, well, a serious country, They need to be imposed by the EU, when trading for benefits, these heirs of RIMA need to put these Europeans on the neck of Germany
  20. 0
    13 August 2021 18: 43
    I do not know about some insidious plans of Turkey, but judging by the queues of ships accumulating in the Bosphorus, there are primarily economic reasons.
  21. 0
    14 August 2021 14: 04
    Quote: Russian Central Asia
    he is a smart man and would probably find a way to make the Turks work

    He cannot force Abkhazians to work with Ossetians ...