The ex-head of "Antonov" advised Ukraine to buy American F-15EX fighters

Ukraine needs new fighters; by 2030, the resource of the entire fleet of the Su-27 and MiG-29 in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be exhausted. This was stated by the ex-head of Antonov State Enterprise Alexander Los, writes the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express.

The fleet of fighters available to Ukraine is significantly outdated; by 2030, the aircraft's resource will be fully developed. Despite the ongoing overhaul and modernization, the Ukrainian MiG-29 and Su-27 are already obsolete Soviet-made aircraft. Therefore, the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine needs a new fighter in the future.

According to the ex-head of Antonov, the stake should be placed not on the fifth generation fighter, but on the fourth, widely used in NATO countries. The best choice, according to Elk, would be the American F-15EX, a fighter capable of carrying a large payload. At the same time, he stressed, no one will give Ukraine the F-35, even if it becomes a NATO member. The reason for this is its proximity to Russia, whose radar stations see "inconspicuous objects."

Ukraine alone will not "pull" the new fighters, so it is necessary to create a unified air defense system of the countries under the threat of "Russian aggression", i.e. with Poland and the Baltics. Therefore, when choosing a new aircraft, it is necessary to pay attention to its effectiveness within a single system, and not as a separate unit. Here the F-15EX is best suited, which can operate in tandem with the same F-35 partners of Ukraine.

Comments

[Reserve buildbat]

I strongly support! F-15EX for skakuas as an aircraft carrier for Papua New Guinea. Although the Fu-35 is generally a "skakuasii death star". In short, more unexplored Western devices! And with simulators and weapons and field repair kits! And all at once! Then the skakuas will have 1-2 squadrons of good aircraft! True, there will be no country ... But is it really important ?! They are at the forefront of the war against Russia!

[Invoce]

It seems to me that these projects will eventually lead to the fact that most of "Ukraine" will become one of the subjects of the Russian Federation.

[private person]

will lead to the fact that most of "Ukraine" will become one of the subjects of the Russian Federation.

Do the Russians need this? Or we do not have our own problems how to raise the economy of horses?

[businessv]

Quote: Stroibat stock

True, there will be no country ... But is it really important ?! They are at the forefront of the war against Russia!

The degradation of the country is not proceeding at a slow pace, so there will be no country in any case, then the leading edge will shift to Galicia, which will not be allowed to collapse - the West needs a buffer for every occasion.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stroibat stock

I strongly support! F-15EX for skakuas as an aircraft carrier for Papua New Guinea.

It could be simpler, but cool, great prices, cheap service "Newport -17" model. The main thing is that it worked well during the Great War.

[URAL72]

The F-15EX is a really good machine and is in production, which allows it to have a reasonable price. It is capable of replacing both the Su-27 and Su-24, and partly the MiG-29. But I still can't afford it. The F-35 will not be given to them due to the low reliability of the officers - they can be hijacked to Russia. After all, the F-35 fly under our radars in the Middle East and over the Baltic states.

[Alexander Pseudonym]

Hello. The Ukrainian Armed Forces can buy used cars so that pilots can maintain their skill. Approximately in the 35th year, new cars will be purchased.

[URAL72]

To maintain their skills, they need something like the Yak-130. And we are talking about the latest modification of the F-15EX, with AFAR and much more at the most modern level. This is development (which I do NOT wish for them), and buying a used one as Bulgarians is creating visibility. To intercept smugglers on Cessna is good, to fight even against the Su-30SM - no.

[Katanikotael]

Who will give them the latest modifications? They will sell the old written-off junk as usual.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexander Pseudonym

Approximately in the 35th year, new cars will be purchased.

A pilot of the Ukrainian Air Force who is now 30 years old comes out, already in 2035 he will no longer have to fly.

[Adler77]

It remains to be seen whether who will buy it and what for

[Alex777]

Quote: URAL72

The F-15EX is a really good machine and is in production, which allows it to have a reasonable price.

Clever radish this Alexander Elk.
But until the States have set up 15+ F-200EX, they will not sell it to Ukraine.
And it is not known whether present-day Ukraine will live up to "bright times".

[Pete mitchell]

No, no, Newport is impossible: you try to knock down this bookcase - hi, it's better that it is more modern and more expensive

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

No, no, Newport is impossible: you try to knock down this bookcase - hi, it's better that it is more modern and more expensive

Russia will stop pumping gas through the Ukraine, there will not be enough money for Newport, not for the F-16. Well, if that humanitarian aid who throws at a cheap price. So there is nothing to fly, and on the first flight they will fall.

[Reserve buildbat]

Nieuport 17 is disgusting to them. For them it is the Fokker triplane, like Richthofen's. Heirs, damn it ...

[knn54]

-by 2030, the resource of the entire fleet of the Su-27 and MiG-29 in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be exhausted.
The F-15 is the same age as the MiG-25.
And further:
- on its effectiveness within a single system, and not as a SEPARATE unit.
It couldn't be clearer.
And more:
-F-35 Ukraine will not be given, even if it becomes a NATO member. The reason for this is the neighborhood with Russia,
And Poland is not a neighbor of Russia ???
The meaning of the article is in one thing: a write-off of the F-15 is being prepared and the "ex" is simply lobbying for this product.

[mvg]

F-15 the same age as the MiG-25

Not an indicator. A good airframe (improved by composites), one of the best APG-83 radars in the world, modern electronic warfare, a crazy load of 12 tons (more than the nominal Su-34 bomber), the entire arsenal of aircraft missiles, air-to-air, air- surface, and time-tested operating costs. New engines.
What of this is in the "modern Su-35S?

[Snail N9]

Another thing is interesting to me: Alexander Los recommended the F-15EX, "from the heart" and "for free"?

[Invoce]

Quote: Snail N9

I'm interested in something else: Alexander Los recommended the F-15EX, "from a pure heart" and "for free"?

Of course, from a "pure" heart, as well as all those characters from Ukraine and Russia including those who work in the interests of "Western democracies" and their military-industrial complex.
But in Russia, in my opinion, there are already fewer of them.
But what is not a liberal, then a person with a triple bottom and real estate outside his country, children, parents with foreign citizenship, etc.
And of course they live own property and spend according to their official income.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Invoce

But what is not a liberal, then a man with a triple bottom and real estate outside his country

Well, for this, the counter-revolution of 1991 was created to grab the loot from Russia and bury it in the west, and so it has been exactly 30 years (without 15 days).

[Wedmak]

Ukraine does not have enough money to buy even a dozen F-16s with all the infrastructure and weapons due to it. But you still need to train pilots and technicians. More on what they can fork out from novya - Supertukano.

[businessv]

Quote: Wedmak

Ukraine does not have enough money to buy even a dozen F-16s with all the infrastructure and weapons due to it.

They "do not have enough" money even to maintain the structures that feed them (GTS, for example), not that for such a luxury as F16! They take everything that NATa writes off, but on this they manage to steal.

[Silver bullet]

After the termination of transit in 2024, there will be such a hole in the treasury that they will not buy F-16s, but An-2s. If this understatement still holds out, the clown has nothing to sell except for Russophobia.

[Wedmak]

I also heard Cessna armed, cheap and cheerful. At the same time, you can carry mail.

[Xlor]

Let the balloons fly ...

[Tonpengof]

Quote: Xlor

Let the balloons fly ...

Well, borscht was already in the stratosphere.

[Sands Careers General]

The ex-head of "Antonov" advised Ukraine to buy American F-15EX fighters

And pay off, God forgive me, will they be an ass?

[Tonpengof]

But what about the supertucano?

[Jacket in stock]

On the one hand, purely theoretically, he is right.
And on the other, "where is the money Zin".
Although, in order to shit more for us, they can also provide sponsorship assistance.

[Wedmak]

can also provide sponsorship to them.

I doubt it. All sponsorship has already been plundered and used. They will not pour more money there. But provoking a conflict with the Russian Federation is a must.

[wow]

"... to buy ..." presupposes first of all money, money !!! Well, there is ...!?

[APASUS]

I think if Ukraine buys a dozen F-35s it will be a MEGA overhaul, in all respects!
1 Americans will get money.
2 They will put Ukraine on spare parts and equipment so that they will never get off
3 Ukraine will receive planes and another change, but this will not play a role in its defense, the F-35 needs a set of measures
4 The country's budget will most likely be destroyed by such an acquisition, it will be necessary to give up land for debts
5 Ukraine's dependence will pass the stage: from financial to feudal

[mlad]

Even if they buy 10 decommissioned F 16s, they will announce that they have the most powerful air force in Europe.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Invoce

It seems to me that these projects will eventually lead to the fact that most of "Ukraine" will become one of the subjects of the Russian Federation.

Maybe they will have time to buy old F-16s.

[tralflot1832]

For the first F 15EX, Alexander Elk is simply obliged to give the money. And the plane will bear the proud name Horned Elk. I support. And the offal must buy a couple of F 35 or 22s. The latter will be written off.

[Prisoner]

The Clever Losyash says everything correctly. Only the f-15 will not be given either, but to buy a penny of trabe. That's a pittance and dumb.

[bk316]

Nobody will give F-35 to Ukraine

What does DAST mean?
Will they give the F-15?
It is necessary to buy it and it is also very expensive.
Nice but not cheap.
And on a circle with training, ground services, weapons, repairs - 404 will not be affordable.

[BABAY22]

All of yours are not getting f-35s or f-15s.
For example, Nigeria received six Super Tucano aircraft from the United States.

This is your level. You are here today.

[Evil 55]

Talking Elk is the ex-head of Antonov State Enterprise ... and in nightmares this would not have dreamed ... Well, he can still offer reasonable ... only what has already been paid for.

[venik]

"...Ukraine needs new fighters; by 2030, the resource of the entire fleet of the Su-27 and MiG-29 in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be exhausted. This was stated by the ex-head of the state enterprise "Antonov" Alexander Elk.... The best choice, according to Elk, there will be an American F-15EX..... "
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Well, WHAT can I say? Elk - he is in Africa - elk! The unit cost of the F-15EX is estimated at $ 125 million !!! AND HOW MANY such "toys" can "rich" Ukraine buy? Interesting - WHAT place does this "moose" think ??? .....

[bk316]

F-15EX unit cost - estimated at $ 125 million

Well, let's estimate at least a dozen aircraft needed. Otherwise, it just makes no sense.
A couple of training pairs. That is, one and a half yards at once. How much will the infrastructure cost, I think the account is also hundreds of lamas, and the main thing is weapons, because 15 is a flying arsenal.
That is, 2 yards + as far as fantasy is enough ...

[venik]

Quote: bk316

Well, let's estimate at least a dozen aircraft needed. Otherwise, it just makes no sense.

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Only "ten"? No, recently on VO there was an article about which aircraft Ukraine can choose to replace the existing fleet. So there were the arguments of the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that they needed at least 50-70 tactical aircraft (and better of the same type).
Those. the number you voiced (and it is quite similar to the truth) must be multiplied by 5 or 7. As a result, we get least $ 10-14 billion !!! And this despite the fact that the entire budget of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for this year is less than 4 $ billion!
PS That's why I was surprised that this "moose" suggested choosing the MOST EXPENSIVE of the offered tactical fighters for rearmament !!!
PPS So, most likely, Ukraine will have to be content with something "more modest", like this:

Well, except that "love friends" because of a "puddle", throw some decommissioned stuff like the F-16 of old modifications ...

[bk316]

So there were the arguments of the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that they needed at least 50-70 tactical aircraft

You don't even need to discuss it, it won't happen.

[venik]

Quote: bk316

So there were the arguments of the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that they needed at least 50-70 tactical aircraft

You don't even need to discuss it, it won't happen.

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Well, why so upset them (the leadership of "Nezalezhnaya") so soon! Well, maybe to dream?
Ultimately, there is a Ukrainian proverb: "Duren dumkoyu bagatie"!

[Maikcg]

by 2030 the resource of Ukraine will be fully developed

[mmaxx]

Any self-appointed person is a traitor by definition. Throughout their history, they have been doing just that. Americans know this.
And now: we sold them the F-15, everything else. And these .... betrayed again. And, for example, all these wonderful weapons fell into the clutches of Putin. Which of the current owners of these characters needs this option? The answer is obvious. And pushing the rubbish over the road is always welcome. The natives need beads, mirrors, empty cans.

[Vasyan1971]

The ex-head of "Antonov" advised Ukraine to buy American F-15EX fighters

And this Elk did not advise at the same time, where to get a penny for this?
Moose. Just a moose. ©

[Oleg Aviator]

M yes .... Elk in one word.

[svoit]

Quote: bk316

That is, 2 yards + as far as fantasy is enough ...

That is, until 2024, only on the transit of gas, Ukraine is quite capable of purchasing so many aircraft every year. That is about 45 aircraft. And in 5 years (taking into account the decrease in revenues from gas exports to $ 1 billion), there will be quite combat-ready 4 squadrons with infrastructure.
(training, maintenance, spare parts for 5 years as free friendly assistance)

[Cb master]

And what will they eat?

[Cb master]

If he also gave money for them ...

[bzbo]

15 aircraft will be exchanged for 15 nuclear power units ...

[Gennady Zavalov_2]

And at school I made airplanes from notebook sheets, write all sorts of obscene proposals to the girls, well, you start, to whom God will send, he flies around the class, then he lands, the girls twist with their heads, who sent? True, it happened that the teacher was on the table. But cheap and cheerful.

[sagitovich]

Let them take the 35th. Soon Ukraine will leave for us, we will study ...

[Oleg Aviator]

Yes ... And let the elk give money for them.