American retired naval officer commented on the investigation of the death of the submarine USS Thresher

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The US Navy nuclear submarine USS Thresher crashed on April 10, 1963 and sank in the Atlantic Ocean. According to published documents, and retired US Navy Captain James Bryan also draws attention to this, the activities of the US Navy in the 1960s did not match the rapid technological progress of those years. This is what led to a series of tragedies, failures and mistakes, including the death of the USS Thresher submarine.

Of course, the death of the submarine with 129 sailors on board was a great national tragedy. These are tears of family and friends and a serious blow to the national prestige and image of the American Navy during the Cold War. Moreover, the Thresher submarine was among the first in the new class of submarines. She was kind of the pride of the American underwater fleet those years, and therefore her death was doubly painful for the US Navy.



But the submarine had its drawbacks. For example, some systems on a submarine were outdated, never tested at great depths. According to the official version, the death of the submarine was caused by problems with electricity, which led to the shutdown of the nuclear reactor and the sinking of the submarine.

Now the US Navy, publishing previously classified materials about the loss of the boat, emphasizes its commitment to the principles of openness and transparency in dialogue with the public and with the families of the deceased sailors. US Navy spokesman Catherine Diener also spoke about this. She also told the press about her desire to publish another 4000 pages of documents and materials dedicated to the death of the American submarine.



Brian, who served as the commander of one of the US Navy submarines, agrees with the opinion that the sinking of the submarine was caused by a combination of events: the submarine was submerged too deeply under the water, there were problems with the qualifications of personnel in terms of working with new devices. As a result, the crew of the submarine could not quickly navigate and ensure the emergence of the boat. The main cooling pumps and the nuclear reactor stopped. At some point, the submarine gave a signal to the rescue ship. At this time, the submarine was almost 275 meters below the test depth.

According to the naval analyst Norman Friedman, who penned more than 30 books on naval topics, according to declassified documents, the test depth of the submarine was about 1300 feet (up to 400 m). But many of the security systems of submarines of that time were designed for operations at shallow depths and were not adequate in the current situation. The mindset of World War II, as Brian emphasizes, proved fatal to the crew of an American submarine.

In the 1960s, the US Navy was working at the limit of resource and personnel stress, as it was required to quickly deploy ballistic missile submarines to counter the Soviet threat. As a result, the submarines were constantly replenished with new officers and sailors who were new to the complex control systems of submarines.

As the American retired Navy officer noted, it was almost a military situation, and the deaths on the Thresher submarine can be considered, in his opinion, victims of the Cold War. By the way, the death of the submarine forced the US Navy to take a more responsible attitude to ensuring the safety of its other submarines.
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  1. +5
    4 August 2021 14: 13
    the flooding of the boat was caused by a combination of events: the submarine was too submerged under water, there were problems with the qualifications of personnel in terms of working with new devices


    surprisingly Yes ...

    Underwater the boat was too submerged lol

    How much is "too much" - by "quarter", "half" or by all "three quarters", or maybe all?
    1. +9
      4 August 2021 14: 26
      So the reason for the death was found :) The submarine sank because it plunged into the water
      1. -2
        4 August 2021 14: 28
        Quote: Peaceful SEO
        So the reason for the death was found :) The submarine sank because it plunged into the water


        New USS Class - "hydrophobic submarine" wassat
      2. +1
        4 August 2021 14: 38
        Our president has already noticed this about another boat: "it sank ..."
    2. +6
      4 August 2021 15: 54
      I suspect "machine" translation. And reluctance to bring it into line with language peculiarities.
    3. +9
      4 August 2021 16: 49
      Quote: PiK
      the sinking of the boat was caused by a combination of events: the submarine too submerged under water, there were problems with the qualifications of personnel in terms of working with new devices

      This "pearl" and the audience's remark should be addressed to the editor!
      Any crap that absolutely does not carry any insults to anyone is considered almost extremism. It is clear that, having burnt themselves in milk, they blow on the water, but such a mockery of the Russian language ... there is clearly INTENTION! laughing
    4. +4
      5 August 2021 00: 18
      Quote: PiK
      surprisingly
      The submarine was too submerged
      The author of the article probably missed the word "fast". It seems that the original was:" The submarine is too fast submerged under water. "
      And, it is very likely that under the "main cooling pumps" are hidden MCPs (Main Circulation Pumps) - well, this is if technical terms are correctly translated into Russian.
      1. +2
        5 August 2021 06: 41
        Quote: Beby
        The author of the article probably missed the word "fast". It seems that the original was: "The submarine sank too quickly under the water".

        Agree that this version of the text resembles a publication in a children's magazine ...
  2. +6
    4 August 2021 14: 39
    The death of Threscher was repeatedly discussed on VO
    For example, here is the chronology of events
    https://amp.topwar.ru/119999-morskaya-lisica-uhodit-na-dno-atlantiki.html
    There were other articles with discussion on this topic.
    https://amp.topwar.ru/175437-vms-ssha-nachali-publikaciju-dokumentov-o-gibeli-podlodki-thresher-v-1963-godu.html

    https://amp.topwar.ru/175602-vms-ssha-raskryvajut-otchet-rassledovanija-gibeli-uss-thresher-ssn-593.html
    I also remember a detailed analysis of Threscher's accident, including in the discussions
  3. +10
    4 August 2021 14: 57
    The mindset of World War II, as Brian emphasizes, proved fatal to the crew of an American submarine.
    As if there is no reference to the way of thinking ... I still don’t believe it. Operating instructions are not written to refer to a way of thinking. It was a common accident due to a factory defect, but exactly in such a place where such an accident entails an accumulating wave of failures.
    1. At the top, the emergency signals from the boat were not heard. This is in the report of the commission.
    2. They did not hear it because it had failed "too" (almost to the depth of the destruction of the hull), there was no time to send a second signal.
    3. Failed because the welded seam of the pipe at the circulating pump burst and the reactor crashed (why was the question so constructively done ???)
    Accordingly, what worked from the reactor stopped in the "immersion" position (again, a question to the designers).
    So references to a "way of thinking" are at least not constructive. This is not the first time I have heard about these "declassifications from now on." And each time this translates into a struggle between designers and operators. And there are professors on one side and the other, proving the correctness of one or the other. But the real sequence of the accident and the decisions taken on board the damaged boat has not yet been established.
    1. +1
      5 August 2021 08: 26
      So this is an eternal struggle. Constructors (manufacturers) - operators (consumers). The production will be mechanics - technologists, etc.
      1. +2
        5 August 2021 08: 35
        Quote: Ilya22558
        So this is an eternal struggle. Constructors (manufacturers) - operators (consumers).

        There is such a thing. And we have. I once read a series of articles about the death of Komsomolets. I can tell you an interesting selection. On the one hand, admirals, whitened with gray hair, why in vain hayat designers for shortcomings (everything is there with specific examples). On the other hand, the same honored engineers and scientists accuse waterfowl of "curvature" (and also with examples). And more than twenty years have passed since the sinking of the boat. And there are survivors and the reasons and course of the accident are known, but it continues to be recriminations.
  4. +8
    4 August 2021 14: 59
    those killed on the Thresher submarine can be considered, in his opinion, the victims of the Cold War.

    So soon Russia will be declared guilty.
  5. 0
    4 August 2021 15: 23
    They lie to the whole world what happened yesterday, but then believe what they will say about what happened more than 50 years ago ???
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  6. +2
    4 August 2021 16: 11
    As the American retired naval officer noted, it was almost a military situation, and the deaths on the Thresher submarine can be considered, in his opinion, victims of the Cold War.

    Even here there is a subtext. Blame the circumstances, although the boat was wrecked for purely technical reasons.
  7. +4
    4 August 2021 18: 00
    In the 1960s, the US Navy was working at the limit of resource and personnel stress, as it was required to quickly deploy ballistic missile submarines to counter the Soviet threat.

    Themselves drove themselves. It was not the sailors who had to strain, but the CIA analysts, then they would have understood that the USSR did not have a first strike on the United States in its plans.
  8. 0
    4 August 2021 18: 36
    There is a book: "Wired Disasters. From Thresher to Kursk". Author Mormul, took part in the tests of the first Soviet nuclear submarines
  9. -1
    5 August 2021 08: 57
    Quote: Author
    In the 1960s, the US Navy worked at the limit of resource and personnel stress, as it was required to quickly deploy ballistic missile submarines to counter Soviet threat

    the author confused the soft with the square - the mattresses churned out their submarines for a sudden blow to the USSR, the threat to the world was from the mattresses, which were not enough for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    Plans "Bushwecker", "Crankshaft", "Houghmun",
    Cogwill, Dropshot ...
  10. +1
    6 August 2021 10: 40
    (c) As you name the yacht, so it will float ...
    Looks like the letter also fell off.
    trash (English) - trash, garbage, mess