"Is it worth buying the S-500 air defense system" - speculate in the Chinese press

Russia demonstrated its new S-500 anti-aircraft system to the whole world by publishing a video of its tests. In the near future, "Prometheus" will enter service with the Russian army, and its export version may be offered to foreign buyers. China should take a closer look at the Russian "novelty", says Lin Sen, the author of an article for the Chinese edition of The Paper.

Russia has developed the latest S-500 anti-aircraft system capable of hitting air targets at ranges of up to 600 km and an altitude of 200 km, the author writes. In 2022, the new complex will be adopted by the Russian army and will defend the airspace around Moscow, as well as the most important military and civilian infrastructure throughout Russia.

Prometheus provides anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense and is compatible with other Soviet and Russian-made anti-aircraft systems. It integrates seamlessly into the overall missile defense system.

It is no secret, Lin Sen notes, that Soviet and Russian anti-aircraft systems have played and are playing a significant role in the creation of China's missile defense and the development of anti-aircraft systems and missiles. From the moment of its foundation to the present day, the PRC has purchased anti-aircraft systems from the Soviet Union and Russia, starting with the S-75, ending with the S-400, which have taken an important place in China's missile defense.

According to the author, although in recent years China has shown a rapid breakthrough in technologies for creating air defense / missile defense systems, they are still inferior to Russian ones. Even taking into account the creation of their own anti-aircraft systems, the Russian S-400 air defense systems will not lose their effectiveness for a long time.

To summarize, Lin Sen emphasizes that the HQ-9B, HQ-22 and HQ-19 anti-aircraft systems developed in China "are not even close" to the S-500 anti-aircraft missile system. Therefore, if Russia offers this complex to foreign buyers in the future, China will need to think carefully about purchasing it.

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[rocket757]

Okay, sound reasoning .... let's write it down.
And so, the Chinese will try to copy all the best from us, and from others too .... this is not news.

[Peak]

Quote: rocket757

Normal, common sense ...

It is gratifying that, starting with the S-300, we encourage many people to think and reason like that.

[rocket757]

My opinion ... our air defense systems, from the very beginning, were the outstanding achievements of our designers, which no one has managed to surpass! And this despite the fact that we had a lag in some areas of production of components, elemental base, and other various objective difficulties / problems.
Our ancestors created a great reserve for the future, which remains valuable to this day. We would like to continue, develop this line ...

[Peak]

Quote: rocket757

Our ancestors created a great reserve for the future, which remains valuable to this day. We would like to continue, develop this line ...

And we don't stop

Look how many air defense systems from the "Soviet reserve" have been radically modernized, and how many fundamentally new ones have been created.

[rocket757]

I have never left this topic without attention and ... what can you see from the couch, reading the arguments of the same couch experts?
Yes, air defense-missile defense is being built, new systems are emerging, but in many respects, this is a backlog from there, from the past.
What is needed to create a fundamentally new thing ??? I don't even want to list, because for any position there are so many questions, or even words / expressions, for which they will immediately put in a corner ...
I hope for the best, but I don't forget about the problems either ...
This is what I am, an optimist - a pessimist, probably all the same, a realist, an old one.

[Peak]

Quote: rocket757

What is needed to create a fundamentally new thing ???

You know ... how thousands of years ago they invented, for example wheel , so it rolls, and nothing "stunning new" to replace it did not appear and, perhaps, will not appear in the near future.

Unless some fundamentally new physical principles will be discovered, on the basis of which weapons will be built, and not only them ...

[rocket757]

The wheel is ... eternal, of course, but they also try to invent something new to replace it !!!
The more complex the technology, and it has become exactly this, for a long time, the higher the level of everything, everything, for its creation, operation and maintenance in working order is necessary. This is an objective reality and you cannot push it aside, in any way.
They talk about new physical and other principles, but ... the time may not have come. I don’t presume to guess.

[zadorin1974]

Kind Victor. Of course, the groundwork from the past. But the scarecrow for the partners is another groundwork. The echeloned air defense system of the USSR itself. Not one specific product can change the situation alone. The same Chinese, their main positional areas of the Strategic Missile Forces are located closer to our borders ( trying to dive under our umbrella).

[rocket757]

hi Aleksey
The Chinese settled in, closer, it is known ...

Quote: zadorin1974

But the scarecrow for partners is another groundwork.

Those partners are very conditional ... polites, nothing more.
And so, let them REMEMBER, ARE AFRAID, but at least RAGE! all the same, they will not dare to go further than empty chatter and various small / large nasty things!
And to repeat / copy what we have created by generations of our designers and many, many works of the whole country ... no one will succeed quickly!

[hrych]

Kasamo Peresvet, this is new in the air defense. Although the first quantum generator was made by the Russians Prokhorov and Basov (even marked by the Nobel Prize). Moreover, Prokhorov, from a family of emigrants who fled from the Tsarist regime, was born in Australia and returned to the country of the Soviets. Basov is his brilliant student and, of course, it is Prokhorov who is the main father of quantum generators.

[Grits]

Quote: hrych

Although the first quantum generator was made by the Russians Prokhorov and Basov

I thought - engineer Garin ...

[hrych]

Garin shod Mantsev

[hrych]

Development, as they say "on the face". The Chinese at least admitted that their copies are inferior, but the way they brought real and fake whiskey to the Gypsy Baron (Grge) at Kusturica's. He says ours is better Of course, the S-500 is already an element of strategic missile defense and cannot be sold. Although we sell the S-400, it is always an export version with lowered characteristics and I hope with bookmarks With regards to transatmospheric interceptor missiles, target designation is provided by an element of an early warning system of the Don-2N type, possibly Voronezh, etc. Voronezh now not only records a massive attack, but also calculates the trajectory of the BB, calculating the area of ​​destruction.

[Sands Careers General]

brought real and fake whiskey to the tasting.

And what is the difference between the real and the "fake", if both are made according to technology?

[Olkhovsky]

And what is the difference between the real and the "fake", if both are made according to technology?

At least the characteristics of the water, the place of growth of the material for fermentation, the type of wood of the barrels in which the stages of production take place. All these characteristics ultimately affect the taste, taste, aftertaste, color, aroma of alcohol.

[hrych]

Just like the Adidas shoes from the basement Adibas

[Sands Careers General]

Nifiga like))
When we made bourbon on professional equipment from local ingredients (Crimean), expensive American drinks in comparison seemed like a terrible heap of moonshiner production by Aunt Moti)))
The highest score was given by professional judges.
At the same time, the cost price is from 300 rubles per liter

[Peak]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

The highest score was given by professional judges.
At the same time, the cost price is from 300 rubles per liter

It is highly doubtful that this "Bourbon" will be sold at plus or minus close to the sane price.

In any case, they will increase the cost so that you will not approach.
And at an affordable price, they will push all sorts of fluff ...

[Sands Careers General]

This drink is only for their own, and the assortment is very diverse, they take it so that there is no left for themselves)))

[bk316]

When we made bourbon with professional equipment from local components (Crimean),

Uh ..... what components?
Do not confuse anything?

[Sands Careers General]

Purqua? Whose Crimea, huh?

[bk316]

Purqua? Whose Crimea, huh?

I asked what are you making such wonderful bourbon out of?
And you can only answer Zhora's question with a question?

[Sands Careers General]

If you don't know what bourbon is made of, then I have nothing to discuss with you.

[bk316]

If you don't know what bourbon is made of, then I have nothing to discuss with you.

I know, I'm wondering what kind of Crimean you were driving bourbon from.
And even more interesting what kind of professional equipment did you use?
I am asking you for the fourth time, but you are shirking.
Why?

[Sands Careers General]

Crimean corn. Spring water, not water, but silver. Equipment from Taganrog.
You can use oak chips after distillation, you can use soxhlet.

Did I satisfy your curiosity?

[bk316]

Did I satisfy your curiosity?

Yes thank you.
Just bourbon is an unconventional drink for wine-growing regions.
And of course you won't get anything good with chips. Only old school only barrel.

[Sands Careers General]

Don't tell))
You can make drinks anywhere, and from anything, in any region, not only wine-making.

In a blind test, American drinks were drained.
And the chips are norms, if you use them wisely. And then you can get a plinth.

[UGM157]

HQ19, capable of engaging air targets at ranges up to 3000 km and an altitude of 600+ km

S-500, 600 km and 200 km

[Gado]

Wow, is anyone confusing air defense missiles and medium-range surface-to-surface missiles?

[ultra]

The USSR decided to stop at the cheapest, but quite effective option, which involved launching a fighter satellite into space, aimed at the object to be destroyed. It was planned to destroy the satellite by detonating the interceptor and hitting it with a fragmentation mass. The program was named "Satellite Destroyer", and the interceptor satellite itself received the designation "Flight". Work on its creation was carried out in OKB-51 V. N. Chelomey.
The satellite fighter was a spherical device weighing about 1,5 tons. It consisted of a compartment with an 300 kg of explosive and an engine compartment. In this case, the engine compartment was equipped with a multiple-start orbital engine. The total running time of this engine was approximately 300 seconds. During this period of time, the interceptor was supposed to move closer to the object being destroyed at a distance of guaranteed destruction. The skin of the Flying Satellite Fighter was made in such a way that, at the time of the explosion, it would disintegrate into a huge number of fragments flying at great speed.
The first attempt to intercept a space object with the participation of “Flight” ended in luck. 1 November 1968 of the year the Soviet interceptor satellite "Cosmos-249" destroyed the satellite "Cosmos-248", which had been launched into Earth orbit the day before. After that, even more 20 tests were conducted, most of which ended successfully. At the same time, starting from 1976, in order not to multiply the amount of space debris in orbit, the tests ended not with demolition, but with the contact of the fighter and the target and their subsequent vault from orbit using onboard engines. The created system was quite simple, reliable, practical and cheaply important. In the middle of the 1970-s, it was adopted.

Quote: UGM157

On January 11, 2007, an anti-missile missile launched from a mobile launcher in Sichuan province, with a direct hit, destroyed an exhausted Chinese meteorological satellite FY-1C, located at a distance of 865 km from the Earth's surface.

[1Alexey]

Quote: hrych

Of course, the S-500 is already an element of strategic missile defense and cannot be sold.

That's just the point! Selling the S-500 to other countries will speak of a clear betrayal.

[Boris Ivanov]

The Russian Defense Ministry signed a contract with the Almaz-Antey concern for the purchase of the first batch of Prometheus anti-aircraft missile systems. Number - more than a dozen systems. Deliveries will begin in the first quarter of 2022.

[rocket757]

And that, this is just before the armament, a replacement for what is already outdated and cannot effectively perform new tasks in the current conditions.
Everything is in the subject, in the piggy bank, everything else that is available.

[venik]

Quote: Boris Ivanov

The Russian Defense Ministry signed a contract with the Almaz-Antey concern for the purchase of the first batch of Prometheus anti-aircraft missile systems. Number - more than a dozen systems. Deliveries will begin in the first quarter of 2022.

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Good news!

[1Alexey]

Quote: venik

Quote: Boris Ivanov

The Russian Defense Ministry signed a contract with the Almaz-Antey concern for the purchase of the first batch of Prometheus anti-aircraft missile systems. Number - more than a dozen systems. Deliveries will begin in the first quarter of 2022.

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Good news!

Yes, good, of course! But we need such a complex in much larger quantities. Given our territory and the length of borders: 10 is clearly not enough (I hope - the contract will then be supplemented with a new amount).

I would also like to understand: in what year the contract for these systems should be fulfilled and how many divisions there will be in each "system".

[venik]

Quote: 1Alexey

Given our territory and the length of borders: 10 is clearly not enough (I hope - the contract will then be supplemented with a new amount).

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Naturally! This is only the FIRST contract. With the S-400 it was the same - First they ordered one division, then a regimental set, then a second, then a third, etc.
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Quote: 1Alexey

I would also like to understand: in what year the contract for these systems should be fulfilled

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Aha! Right now! Who will tell you? There ("upstairs"), perhaps they themselves do not know for sure, although there must be some plans (though under the heading "Top secret" or "State importance") ....
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Quote: 1Alexey

and how many divisions will be in each "system".

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In the regiment - probably - 2, as in the S-400, but how many launchers there will be in the battery - I don't know: if there are only "big" missiles, then obviously no more than 4, and if a combination with those already in use, then most likely, as in the S-300V: 2 + 4 ....
But this is all - "idle speculation" .....

[1Alexey]

Quote: venik

Quote: 1Alexey
I would also like to understand: in what year the contract for these systems should be fulfilled

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Aha! Right now! Who can tell you? There ("above"), perhaps they themselves do not know for sure

So, if the contract is signed, then it must indicate the production time.

Quote: venik

Quote: 1Alexey
and how many divisions will be in each "system".

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In the regiment - probably - 2, as in the S-400, but how many launchers there will be in the battery - I don't know: if there are only "big" missiles, then obviously no more than 4, and if a combination with those already in use, then most likely, as in the S-300V: 2 + 4 ....

You, apparently, are not aware that the S-500 is fundamentally different from other air defense systems of the "S -..." family. In previous versions, one common system for the air defense system was used for aerodynamic and ballistic purposes.
In the S-500, these functions were divided: one system is used for aerodynamic purposes, and another for ballistic purposes.

So it’s interesting for me: each division will have two systems (total in a regiment (if it is from 2 divisions) - 4 systems) or in one division there will be only one system, and in the other - only another.
Although it is possible that they will not disclose this yet, but maybe somewhere this information was already disclosed in open sources and someone read it.

[venik]

Quote: 1Alexey

You, apparently, are not aware that the S-500 is fundamentally different from other air defense systems of the "S -..." family. In previous versions, one common system for the air defense system was used for aerodynamic and ballistic purposes.
In the S-500, these functions were divided: one system is used for aerodynamic purposes, and another for ballistic purposes.

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You probably do not know that the S-300 complexes with the "B" index (B, VM, B1, B2, B4, etc.) are very different from the S-300 with the "P" index (P, PS, PM, PMU, etc.). They were originally created for the use of 2 (TWO) types of missiles: 9M83 ("small") and 9M82 ("large").

And although both types of missiles are designed to intercept both aerodynamic and aeroballistic targets, the "large" 9M82 has a much higher speed (1.5 times), range (1.4 times) and reach in height (1.2 times), and therefore is better suited to intercept ballistic missiles. "Small" 9M83 has a lower near and lower limits of effective action, and therefore is better suited for intercepting low-flying targets.
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Quote: 1Alexey

In the S-500, these functions were divided: one system is used for aerodynamic purposes, and another for ballistic purposes.

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With what is this "hangover" interesting? Here are two types of launchers, there should definitely be ... But otherwise, the architecture of the complex should be similar to the S-400, but only the radar and the Control Center - with higher parameters (it was reported that there would be on the PFAR, as on "300 "and" 400 ", and AFAR).
The staffing, I also think it will be like in the S-300V or S-400 ...

[1Alexey]

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Quote: venik

Quote: 1Alexey
In the S-500, these functions were divided: one system is used for aerodynamic purposes, and another for ballistic purposes.

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With what is this "hangover" interesting? Here are two types of launchers, there should definitely be ... But otherwise, the architecture of the complex should be similar to the S-400, but only the radar and the Control Center - with higher parameters (it was reported that there would be on the PFAR, as on "300 "and" 400 ", and AFAR).
The staffing, I also think it will be like in the S-300V or S-400 ...

No need to pass off your conjectures as facts!

"The S-500 anti-aircraft missile system is a promising qualitatively new system that is not a continuation of the S-400 air defense system," the Air Force commander-in-chief said. (Source: https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/news/2009/09/16/azelin-zenitno-raketnaya-sistema-s-500-poyavitsya-v-blizhajshie-gody).

Read the composition of the S-500 (Source: https://www.soldati-russian.ru/publ/armija_rossii/raketnye_vojska/s_500/22-1-0-550):

S-500 contains:

control facilities: command post 85Zh6-1, early warning radar 60K6,
anti-aircraft unit - KP 55K6MA, 91N6AM radar, PU 51P6M, 40N6M missiles;
anti-missile part PBU 85Zh6-2, radar 76T6 and 77T6 with an active phased antenna array (AFAR),
PU 77P6.

The 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 anti-missile missiles (developed by OJSC MKB "Fakel") are unified with the modernized anti-missile defense system of Moscow and the Moscow district A-135 "Amur", to intercept targets at speeds up to 7 km / s.

The basis of the design of the antenna post of the product is a radar with AFAR operating in the X-band.

The BAZ-69096 tractor with a 10x8 wheel arrangement was chosen as the main one for placing the elements of the S-500 "Prometheus" complex.

So I was wondering if anyone knows: how many anti-aircraft units will be in the regiment and how many anti-missile units will there be, and will each division have both units or will each unit have its own division?

[venik]

Quote: 1Alexey

No need to pass off your conjectures as facts!

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Excuse me, but WHERE in my comments did I pass something off as "facts"? Have you read CAREFULLY?
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Quote: 1Alexey

"The S-500 anti-aircraft missile system is a promising qualitatively new system that is not a continuation of the S-400 air defense system," the Air Force commander-in-chief said. (Source: https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/news/2009/09/16/azelin-zenitno-raketnaya-sistema-s-500-poyavitsya-v-blizhajshie-gody).

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Do not be like the "hero" of the "bearded anecdote": "... Trotsky: It is difficult to argue with Stalin: I quotes, and he me - links! .... ".
It is almost IMPOSSIBLE to find anything in the history of technology that has no prototypes!
Yes! The commander-in-chief "declared" .... And he is absolutely RIGHT, but only in that partthat the S-500 is not direct a continuation of the S-400 .... Since it is a COMBINATION of the S-400 and A-135 ..... Exactly SO! And the hardware "filling" there is absolutely another!
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Quote: 1Alexey

S-500 contains:

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Oh, thank you for "enlightening" ... I didn't know!
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Quote: 1Alexey

So I was wondering if anyone knows: how many anti-aircraft units will be in the regiment and how many anti-missile units will there be, and will each division have both units or will each unit have its own division?

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I repeat again:
My personal opinion: As in the S-300 and S-400, in the S-500 main combat unit obviously a DIVISION! Which also includes the means of combating aerodynamic targets and aeroballistic ones! And even with LEO satellites. Moreover (in my idle opinion), all this "kitchen" should be tied to a SINGLE control point! Why is that? Yes, simply because if a separate missile defense system were created, then it would be positioned that way!
Naturally, each division (and the regiment - even more so) - must be spaced apart (and how could it be otherwise?). But at the same time it must be controlled from a SINGLE command post!
The whole trick is HOW and WHAT to hit a target like, for example hypersonic high-altitude missiles: either 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 interceptor missiles, or long-range 40N6E? And this decision must be made exclusively at the Division Control Center!
It is in THIS that the main "CHIP" of the S-500 consists! Exactly THIS, it differs from all other complexes!
It’s strange that you don’t get it ...

[1Alexey]

Quote: venik

Yes! The commander-in-chief "declared" .... And he is absolutely RIGHT, but only to the extent that the S-500 is not a direct continuation of the S-400 .... Since it is a COMBINATION of the S-400 and A-135 ..... Exactly!

Again you are trying to pass off your conjectures as facts!

You, apparently, think that you understand this better than the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force, since you undertake to determine in which part the Commander-in-Chief is right.

The commander-in-chief did not use the word "direct" (do you know better than the commander-in-chief what he meant?) And did not talk about the combination of S-400 and A-135 (indicate the source where it is written about this).

The S-400 is a continuation of the development of the S-300 family, and, judging by the words of the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force, the S-500 is a completely different system that is not a development of the S-400.

You are wrong about the main combat unit. In the S-300 it was really a division, and in the S-400 it was a regiment! I don’t know how it will be in the S-500, this is exactly what I’m interested in.

[rocket757]

Hi Gennady
In the end, a lot is bought and sold ... maybe later.
But when it will be later, those who decide for everything here decide ...
We will see.

[Terenin]

Quote: rocket757

Hi Gennady
In the end, a lot is bought and sold ... maybe later.
But when it will be later, those who decide for everything here decide ...
We will see.

Greetings Victor
For our missile defense, I'm calm, it will go to the arms market, like clockwork.

[rocket757]

All the same, it must be borne in mind that air defense - missile defense, is a large, expensive complex, consisting of many components and systems ...
Buying separately ... not the best option.
So sho either save money, or have a good, effective airspace protection system.
As always, a difficult choice, even for those who can afford it .. and for everyone else, you need to think a lot, count and ... the choice, in short.

[Real Pilot]

"Is it worth buying the S-500 air defense system" - speculate in the Chinese press

But I can say what is NOT worth doing: SELL the S-500!

The latest technologies and developments must ensure security and technological superiority to protect the homeland.

The S-400s were sold to the Turks, Chinese and Indians, but then the S-500 was already on its way. This is the argument.
But to give the best right away is a step of fools, and maybe even traitors ...

[1Alexey]

Quote: RealPilot

But to give the best right away is a step of fools, and maybe even traitors ...

If they do, it’s more likely the latter!
I don’t believe in fools there “on top”: if they were fools, they would go beggars, but I didn’t notice the beggars there.

It would be more correct to legally prohibit the S-500 from export sales, like the Americans do their F-22.

[Popandos]

"Is it worth buying the S-500 air defense system" - speculate in the Chinese press

Is it worth selling to the Chinese? They are thinking in the military-industrial complex, because they will still try to copy.

[mojohed2012]

NOT! The Chinese are not allowed.
Although, how much has been written and rewritten on VO and other popular sources of opinion, and our government sells the latest developments to the right and left.
Su-57s are ready to sell, S / 400s have been on sale for a long time.
The Su-75 has not yet been tested, but they are already ready to sell.
And the S-500 - please - give me the money.
Only the people are still: they endure reforms, every day marvel at prices, survive and continue to endure for the time being!

[kytx]

S u and 57 and 75 were originally created with an eye to foreign customers
Are you a bot at work?

[mojohed2012]

I hear from the bot at work!

[Barberry25]

the su-57 is not for sale, the su-57E is offered, like the s-400 is in the export version, the su-75 is primarily an export vehicle, since in any case our aviation is limited to 5 hundred sides and it is unlikely that they will buy light vehicles, even in spite of the effectiveness ... and so far no one offers the S-500

[1Alexey]

Quote: Barberry25

since in our country, in any case, aviation is limited to 5 hundred aircraft

Where does this restriction come from? Please give me a link.

[Barberry25]

the available number of aviation, in order to get more aircraft, you need to train more pilots, and with this it is difficult, therefore, if they focus, it will be due to the increase in the number of unmanned aircraft

[Murmur 55]

Well, that's what they buy for.

[spectr]

Now it becomes more problematic to copy, tk. an increasing role is played by mathematics embedded in the computing systems of the complex. Moreover, most often, a binding is made to the current gland. I changed something during production (yes, it is commonplace to make some blocks better than in Russia) and the system as a whole can work much worse.

[venik]

Quote: spectr

Changed something during production (yes, it was corny to make some blocks better than in Russia) and the system as a whole can already work much worse.

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If it (the system) will work after that! There are also such constructions where the slightest constructive change in any of the blocks automatically causes a failure of the entire system! And to understand this, oh, how difficult! It's easier to design with "0" ......

[knn54]

Chinese experts discussed in the media (in particular
"Sina") even the possibility of using the complex against meteorites.

[dsdelta]

Nobody hurts or sells. Themselves have just finished, the tests are underway, and they are already selling. ))

[Murmur 55]

The Chinese comrades are eager to mold YOUR clone and announce the next CHINESE technical breakthrough. Information war.

[Vladimir61]

The fact that they appreciated that their developments in comparison with ours, as "and are not close", already deserves respect, because "The Paper" is the largest information site in China, and criticism in your address, and even in the field of weapons, is not there accepted. Let's see how soon they will express themselves in the People's Daily, they are closer to the official authorities.

[Sibguest]

- China will not buy the S-500.
- Why not?
- Well, he won't buy!
- Why not buy ?!
- Because we won't sell !!!!!

[Pravodel]

China will need to think hard about purchasing it

And what is there to think ?! Not today or tomorrow, the Anglo-Saxons will unleash a big war in the Pacific to contain China. S-500 will be very useful then !!!

[1Alexey]

Quote: The Truth

China will need to think hard about purchasing it

And what is there to think ?! Not today or tomorrow, the Anglo-Saxons will unleash a big war in the Pacific to contain China. S-500 will be very useful then !!!

Eat something he will eat, but who will give him (especially: "not today, tomorrow").

[riwas]

Nice complex. Here are just the element base.
For example, the American Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems received new ultra-compact computing chips. As reported in a press release from Raytheon, the new chips are eight times smaller than the previous version of the air defense system. "They've become the size of peppercorns"
https://bukren.my1.ru/Ware/Raytheon.doc

[bk316]

They've become the size of peppercorns. "

Uh-huh super duper
And how will they divorce her?
And is she uncased?

[riwas]

And how will they divorce her?

I am not an expert in the field of radio electronics.
I am a specialist in the field of vibration protection of radio electronics.
For example, a quasi-zero stiffness cable damper, a real embedded product (not secret).
https://bukren.my1.ru/Krenev/amortizator_ATK.doc

[1Alexey]

Quote: riwas

For example, the American Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems received new ultra-compact computing chips.

Comparing the Patriot to the S-500 is like comparing a motorcycle to a tank (no doubt: the motorcycle is more compact).

[UGM157]

Nonsense.
“According to American data, the adoption of the HQ-19 into service may occur in 2021. After that, the PLA will have a missile defense system capable of intercepting ballistic missiles with a launch range of up to 3000 km with a high probability.

In addition to anti-missile systems designed to intercept ballistic missiles in the descending branch of the trajectory, China is creating interceptors capable of combating ICBM warheads at a considerable distance from Chinese territory and destroying spacecraft in low Earth orbit.

On 11 on January 2007, a missile defense launched from a mobile launcher in Sichuan province, directly destroying the Chinese meteorological satellite FY-1C, which had exhausted its resource, was located 865 km from the Earth’s surface. As a result of the collision of the satellite and the interceptor, more than 2300 fragments were formed that could potentially be dangerous for other satellites.

American experts believe that the SC-19 space interceptor is a modified HQ-19 missile defense system. On January 11, 2010, during test firing, a short-range ballistic missile was intercepted with the SC-19. "

[steelmaker]

And I am glad that the Chinese still cannot create something of their own. 30 years as the USSR died, so much was transferred and sold, but to create your own, better than the Russian one. We would have more money, like the Chinese, and they won't catch up with us at all!

[UGM157]

can't create something of their own?

HQ19, capable of engaging air targets at ranges up to 3000 km and an altitude of 600+ km

S-500, 600 km and 200 km

Russian counterpart?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: UGM157

targets at a distance of up to 3000 km and an altitude of 600+ km

Cut the sturgeon. 3000 km is about medium-range missiles that he can shoot down.

[1Alexey]

Quote: steel maker

We would have more money, like the Chinese, and they won't catch up with us at all!

We have much more money than in China (compare, for example, the number of billionaires in our country and in China).

[UGM157]

"According to another judgment, the red flag -19 kinetic energy interceptor uses a side-window infrared seeker similar to THAAD. The window design can reduce the impact of atmospheric friction and heat on the infrared sensor detection, giving the missile the interception capability in the atmosphere. Side-window infrared seeker gives the red flag -19 in the atmosphere a high attack accuracy, and can use a lighter kinetic energy interceptor to increase the interceptor's shot height and range. "

Russian counterpart?

[Castro Ruiz]

I think, or rather, I hope that the S-500 will not be delivered for a long time, only the S-400E.

[shonsu]

Supplier and not supply, so it is necessary to write correctly.

[shonsu]

Not offered. The S-400 is the maximum that can be offered for export today. The S-500 has too many innovations, and above all the engine.

[Vadim237]

Well, several dozen divisions will be put into service with Russia, and then the C 600 will appear there and, of course, they will begin to sell a kind of Antey 4500 in a truncated version.

[Andrey Mansurov]

Thanks author. Although skepticism is present. And what is known at the moment about the rofars? It's just not clear how the 500s are aimed at a distance of 600 km. How?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Andrey Mansurov

It's just not clear how the 500s are aimed at a distance of 600 km. How?

With conventional centimeter-band radar, what's so surprising about that? Radar THAAD operate at a range of 1000 km.

Quote: Andrey Mansurov

And what is known at the moment about the rofars?

That the technology is unpromising, has a large number of limitations, is much inferior to the same AFAR.

[Andrey Mansurov]

Is this a type of passive system, when the hospital is illuminated, the projectile goes along the reflector, and its own is turned on in the near section?

[Andrey Mansurov]

Well, you're right. In general, it is not clear for me how to enter the THz range, that is, ROFAR. And there are still many problems with afars.

[loha]

Did I miss something? no one was going to sell it yet, in any case, I have not heard such statements. and articles by type if my grandmother had ...

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

Of course worth buying