Sergei Shoigu urged to prepare the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" to equip with the latest weapons

During the conference call, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation touched upon the issue of modernizing the Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear cruiser. This cruiser was commissioned by the USSR Navy in 1988. It has a total displacement of about 25,9 thousand tons and a maximum draft of 10,3 m. Power plants are represented by two nuclear reactors. The full speed of the warship is 32 knots. Autonomy is about 60 days.

According to Sergei Shoigu, the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov", which is under repair and at the same time undergoing modernization, will eventually be equipped with the latest strike and anti-aircraft missile systems.

All repair and modernization works are carried out at the Sevmash enterprise.

The Minister of Defense indicated that the heavy nuclear cruiser will also receive modern anti-submarine weapons. During the meeting, Sergei Shoigu urged to prepare both the ship itself and the weapons for the start of acceptance tests within the framework of the state defense order.

To date, the warship is going through a stage of outfitting off-dock work. In particular, preparations are being made for the installation of weapons.

Earlier it was reported that "Admiral Nakhimov" can become a carrier of hypersonic missiles "Zircon", capable of destroying both sea and ground targets, including the infrastructure of enemy military bases.

After all the planned work, the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will become the most powerful and armed surface ship in the Naval fleet country.

Comments

[Victor_B]

After all the planned work, the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will become the most powerful and armed surface ship in the country's Navy.

Looks like a VERY serious prodigy!
Seven feet under the keel!
But "Frunze" (Lazarev) went on pins and needles ...

[Egoza]

Quote: Victor_B

Looks like a VERY serious prodigy!
Seven feet under the keel!

What is there to do?! With such "partners" you have to create such "wunderwales". God forbid not the last.

[Dante Alighieri]

Unfortunately the last one. According to Peter, there will no longer be so many alterations, and Lazarev / Frunze in general ...

[smart ass]

How long can you suck on this topic anything concrete !!

[Niko]

A hundred times "statements" about the same thing. And practically nothing

[YOUR]

To begin with, we completed the repair of the aircraft carrier, which is tied to the wall for a year.
India!!! I managed to build an aircraft carrier from scratch, and we have all objective reasons for repairs why the deadlines are delayed and delayed.

[cormorant]

Since the topic has been raised, it means that we will wait another 5 years.

[Vladimir1155]

all the same, they decided to get rid of the unnecessary vulnerable and not having combat missions Kuzi, so we need to promote Nakhimov, as the most powerful ship, ... well, let it serve for the anti-aircraft defense of the Barents Sea

[Victor_B]

Quote: vladimir1155

all the same, they decided to get rid of the unnecessary vulnerable and not having combat missions Kuzi

??
So after all, they are renovating!
There is a new dock for him. Of the two.

[Torins]

And where does one thing to the other?

[Senior seaman]

Nothing to do with it.
Just a colleague Vladimir sometimes confuses himself with Cato. He not on business always mentioned the destruction of Carthage, and our friend with the same diligence repeats the mantra about the uselessness of the fleet.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Senior Sailor

the mantra about the uselessness of the fleet

do you think that Kuzya is the whole fleet? .... I understand

[Senior seaman]

Me not. But I have read some of your other statements ...

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Senior Sailor

other your statements.

and where did you read that the fleet is not needed?

[Senior seaman]

here https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=170971

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Senior Sailor

here

are you hallucinating? there is nothing against the fleet, especially the underwater

[Senior seaman]

You see, Vladimir, for many years you have not developed an understanding that there is no separate "submarine fleet", or "mosquito" or any other. The fleet is either balanced, and it has all the necessary components, including aviation, surface, submarine and all others and others, or it simply does not exist as an organized force. And when you say that some part of the fleet is superfluous, you, perhaps without realizing it, are opposing the entire fleet as a whole.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Senior Sailor

all the necessary components, including aviation, surface, underwater and all others and others, or it simply does not exist as an organized force.

First of all, I do not deny anything of the above, especially since you write only about the "necessary" components, namely submarines, coastal aviation, surface ships to ensure total control of the anti-aircraft missile defense system of the Barents, Black, part of the Pacific Ocean around Petropavlovsk Kamchatny within a radius of 1000 (up to 3000 km), as well as the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. And also a mosquito coastal fleet in the Baltic in the Sea of ​​Japan and the Caspian, ..... how can you deny that? do you disagree with me? then you want to destroy the fleet ... shame on you! ..... you have a collapse of logic why did you dream that a submarine would not be able to complete a combat mission without planes, and planes to fly without minesweepers? obviously., you have a collapse of logic and consciousness, .....

[Senior seaman]

I won't even comment on this stream of consciousness :))

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Senior Sailor

I will not :))

I had no doubt about it, because there is nothing to say to you, the centuries have no methods against the saprykin bone ... you died in an unequal struggle, your arguments dried up, you are trying in vain to make a good face with a bad game, you are broken like a Swede under half a dozen and dust, and flew upside down ... and this is logical, because our cause is right, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours ...

[Senior seaman]

Only in your fantasies.

[Vladimir1155]

and it turns out that you haven’t escaped from the battlefield yet? ... but it is obvious that you didn’t have more arguments, you are defeated by my arguments to the very heart, the depth of your delusions is like the Mariana Trench, and your mistakes have exceeded Everest.

[Senior seaman]

A heavy sigh.

Quote: vladimir1155

Why did you dream that a submarine would not be able to complete a combat mission without planes, and planes could not fly without minesweepers?

Because if the minesweepers and aviation do not control the adjacent water area, the enemy will be able to prevent the submarine from leaving the base. That is, they will be able to leave, but this will end the task, due to the death.
And if you do not understand such elementary things, then there is absolutely nothing to talk about with you.
But you can enjoy the victory that exists only in your imagination.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Senior Sailor

if minesweepers and aviation do not control the adjacent water area, then the enemy will be able to prevent the submarine from leaving the base

obvious truth! if you read me carefully, you would read my opinion about the need: "coastal aviation, surface ships to ensure total control of anti-aircraft missile defense of the Barents, Black, part of the Pacific Ocean around Petropavlovsk Kamchatny within a radius of 1000 (up to 3000 km)," or you are watching into a book, but you see ... not what is written, but what you dreamed about? and then you yourself struggle with your own inventions and fantasies, like a quixote with windmills?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: vladimir1155

still decided to get rid of unnecessary

from you? with your stupid posts? - judging by the cons YES !!

[Serg koma]

MOSCOW, May 1. / TASS /. The heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" of project 1144, code "Orlan" of the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet) was delivered to a shipyard in the Primorsky Territory for disposal, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS on Saturday.

"On the eve the cruiser was delivered for recycling to the 30th shipyard in the Danube village, "he said.

The cruiser waited a long time for a decision on her future fate. Two options were considered - either modernization following the example of "Admiral Nakhimov", or disposal. Experts were inclined in favor of the first option, since the cruiser hull was in good condition.

[Tiksi-3]

can you read? or just post garbage ??? Speech for Kuznetsov !!

[soul]

Sergei Shoigu urged to prepare the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" to equip with the latest weapons

And if he had not called, they would not have cooked?
Great news (sarcasm)

[carstorm 11]

This is called the magic acceleration pendel. And that he knows and controls the topic.

[fighter angel]

I was always sure that the Minister of Defense ORDERS! And then for some reason "calls" ... It is not clear, damn it.

[Alex777]

USC is not the Ministry of Defense. Shoigu kicks as best he can.

[out of habit]

Called ...

Another would have thrown a cry.

[unhappy]

Experts love to spit on Tirpitz. Waste, no victories, and only occasionally mention the "factor of presence." And this, in practice, was required from the ship. Just the threat that he MAY go out to sea and drown any ship group.

[gregor6549]

Not certainly in that way. And how exactly you can find out, for example, here https://wiki.wargaming.net/ru/Navy:Tirpitz_(1939).

[smart ass]

I agree with you! Tirpitz at anchor caused more damage to the enemy than all battleships combined during the Second World War. With each convoy, the British had to drive an impressive covering force. In addition, the "knight's move" helped the submarines and aviation to complete what they had begun pq 17

[unhappy]

I talked about the factor of presence

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The nuclear cruiser of the pr.1144 Orlan type has one, but a very huge advantage over all other surface ships - it does not need to be filled with a huge amount of fuel.

Such cruisers, at the head of the KUG or as part of the AUG, will become the fulcrum of Russia anywhere in the world ocean.

The modernized "Admiral Nakhimov" is essentially needed as a prototype of the future project 23560.

It will be used to work out tactics and optimize the armament of future nuclear cruisers / destroyers of Russia.

Nuclear cruisers and nuclear aircraft carriers will greatly simplify the supply of KUG and AUG with fuel.

Russia needs nuclear ships.

[unhappy]

A large nuclear fleet will ruin any country, even America (which is already happening).
Here we are talking about the fact that along with the basis of the surface fleet (small and inexpensive ships like "Karakurt", you need to have a couple of ships like "Nakhimov" (even in operation it is an expensive pleasure (.
PS: Well, according to the old concept of our fleet, the main threat to the enemy is submarines

[Alex777]

Quote: unhappy

A large nuclear fleet will ruin any country, even America (which is already happening).

1. The problems of the States are not related to the fact that they have nuclear aircraft carriers. Even 25 years ago there were more aircraft carriers and everything was in relative order.
2. They got rid of nuclear ships, but they have bases all over the world where you can "smoke and refuel." Unlike t Russia. The maintenance of these databases really costs a lot of money, and the further the more ($ devaluation).
At the same time, one should not forget that Rosatom is in the leading positions in the world and we have had a nuclear fleet for a long time. Russian ownership will be much cheaper than the United States. And technology has gone far ahead in 20 years. What is the cost of creating reactors in which you do not need to reload the fuel.
It will be very important to create an appropriate infrastructure for such a fleet. With Minister Shoigu, I am calm about this task.
3. Alya Karakurt - a theme from bezrybya. And the presence of a lake-river network. The use of CD from ships is severely limited by sea waves. And their air defense is weak.
4. As a colleague rightly noted above Ratmir_Ryazan, Nakhimov is working on solutions for the Leader.
If the construction of the Leader is accelerated, then Peter will be modernized more modestly. If not, then Peter can get everything, or even more, that Nakhimov has. The dimensions allow the marine S-500 to be installed on them. And use it for regional missile defense. But when and how it will be told to us in the last turn.
5. Aircraft carriers are still the main striking force. But the emergence of hypersonic missiles has greatly changed the balance of power in favor of the KUG with nuclear cruisers. And the development of laser and other directional weapons can change this balance even more. Nuclear cruisers are the most suitable platform for advanced weapons that require a lot of energy.
IMHO, so they spend on Nakhimov as much as necessary. And the modernization of 1164 was actually abandoned.

[unhappy]

The budget is not rubber and "Bolivar will not stand two"
The main priorities are known, they absorb the lion's share: nuclear missile weapons, air defense and the ground army. The fleet has the main task of covering the areas of launching ballistic missiles from submarines, and for this, aircraft carrier groups and nuclear cruisers are redundant. Maybe before the boats had to go far from their shores due to the limited range of weapons, but now is a different time.
Proudly showing your flag to the Papuans, chasing Somali pirates with a nuclear cruiser is of course cool, but stupid, just "measuring pips" is a psychiatrist

[Alex777]

Quote: unhappy

The fleet has the main task of covering the areas of launching ballistic missiles from submarines, and for this, aircraft carrier groups and nuclear cruisers are redundant.

This is one challenge. Another is to push the enemy's naval strike forces away from our borders. And for this task, large ships are needed.
And the same Japanese with the islands restrain their ardor - too. They also believe that no one will use nuclear weapons, and in conventional forces they have a significant superiority and it is only growing.

[unhappy]

I saw here the price tag of an atomic icebreaker, and a series of five pieces ...
More than a billion dollars! Fuck! Well, it’s clear, we need to have something to do with the strategic plans of the state.
But pushing the aircraft carriers aside and reminding the Japanese that they are an island country will do an excellent job of the submarine fleet (IMHO they pay a lot of attention to it), and the threat of air strikes from anti-ballistic missiles is only increasing. Compare the intelligence and capabilities of a flock of missiles from the 70s and 80s and a flock of missiles of the latest generations. And it is much cheaper than an aircraft carrier.

[Alex777]

Quote: unhappy

Compare the intelligence and capabilities of a flock of missiles from the 70s and 80s and a flock of missiles of the latest generations. And it is much cheaper than an aircraft carrier.

Did you count the number of missiles for solving problems?
Air strikes are always cheaper than missile strikes.

[unhappy]

Eeeee
Are you proposing to bomb an aircraft carrier group? Will the planes pass the air defense order and drop deadly cargo on the enemy's deck?

[Alex777]

Quote: unhappy

Are you proposing to bomb an aircraft carrier group?

Of course not suggesting. Best wishes.

[gregor6549]

What does Shoigu mean? Is he the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation or where? I would understand if he gave an order to the ordering department of the Navy to prepare the necessary contracts for the industry and allocate the money required for such a case from the corresponding item of the defense budget.
And appeals are the case - they can be heard and can be ignored.

[hrych]

There is the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and there is the General Staff, they do not call, they force. The Minister of Defense, a kind of gasket ... with wings (a personal plane), well, there is a paradise to take, fishing to the Supreme Commander, and in general he is a builder, deserved of course, so just call. He gave the girls-monkeys general ranks, etc. I am surprised by our commentators, a certain cult of this promoted Medvedev and the instructor of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, who ate a party card out of necessity, of course ... career.

[hrych]

There is such a Warlord who will be included in history textbooks like Suvorov and Ushakov, and this is Valery Gerasimov, the liquidator of Ichkeria and the Caliphate, who took the Syrian shelf and Crimea from under the nose of the West. But it is worth noting the predecessor of Gerasimov - General of the Army Makarov. It was under him that reforms were carried out in the shortest possible time, which led to the current state of the army, before which they are in awe. It was Makarov who had to force Georgia to peace, take the Transcaucasian bridgeheads on the coast and put boots on the Lesser Caucasus. Makarov began and Gerasimov successfully continued, while Serdyukov and Shoigu are political figures, of course significant, but their main task ... is not to get involved in the work of the General Staff.

[Evil 55]

The Minister of Defense does not "call", but sets tasks and achieves their fulfillment.

[PavelM]

Sergei Shoigu urged to prepare the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" to equip with the latest weapons

The Minister of Defense "called on". Funny.

[Genry]

Quote: PavelM

The Minister of Defense "called on". Funny.

He can only give orders within the MO.
It is impossible to order civilians - there is no corresponding oath.

[grassyknollgunner]

It was necessary for a long time to write off all these steel monsters of the Cold War times for scrap. And use the freed up resources to build new ships and modernize old projects - 1155, 1135, 971 and 677 ...

Like this:

Navy by 1992
SF
X 06 1155
X 06 1135
X 06 971
X 06 677

Pacific Fleet
X 06 1155
X 06 1135
X 06 971
X 06 677

BSF
X 06 1135
X 06 677

BF
X 06 1135
X 06 677

Navy by 2022
SF
X 06 22350
X 06 20380
X 06 885
X 06 636

Pacific Fleet
X 06 22350
X 06 20380
X 06 885
X 06 636

BSF
X 06 20380
X 06 636

BF
X 06 20380
X 06 636

[Baloo]

Maybe not in the subject, but this is for those who consider Trotsky to be the organizer of the October Revolution and the creator of the Red Army. Trotsky met the February revolution in New York, and the assassination of Lenin was beneficial to him and Sverdlov, or rather to their sponsoring masters.

For example, Trotsky, then he still bore the surname Bronstein, came to New York for this purpose. Lev Davidovich liked this town for a reason. In addition to recruits-bombers, he visited a relative here. Jacob Schiff! Yes, yes, the all-powerful American freemason-financier was a close relative of the organizer of the Russian Revolution, Lev Bronstein ...

Yasha Schiff, the chairman of the American Jewish Committee, already known to us, spoke most specifically: "things have gone too far, and in general, peace with the Romanovs is out of the question." This in general, gentlemen-comrades, is very expensive ... Namely, that the decision was made and, as the ever-memorable Roman senator once said, “Carthage must be destroyed”! In this case, Russia. Everything else is nothing more than a screen.

[rocket757]

Any modernization of such complex "objects" does not make them .... in short, it will not be as good as new ships designed using new technologies and precisely for the tasks that need to be performed now.
As a platform, a carrier of modern weapons, systems ... yes you can, so many do.

[cniza]

This is yes, but it will still serve and will scare off adversaries ...

[rocket757]

So not only scare away ... with the right tactics of use, it will be an effective, powerful weapon of influence.

[cniza]

The main hardware is still normal, but the filling needs to be done according to the last word ...

[rocket757]

So to judge ... it's difficult, not my topic, but I learned one thing a long time ago, many design constraints, in a complex system / complex, are practically impossible to get around, without unjustified costs, with a little intelligible result, in the end.

[cniza]

I think that the specialists have calculated all the options ...

[rocket757]

Unfortunately, we also mow for various reasons.
Boom hopes that qualified specialists were engaged, and not managers ...

[cniza]

It happens that they do it, but there is a hope that in this case everything was verified correctly ...

[rocket757]

It's sad when you have to rely on Shoigu and his subordinates. This is called a mess and irresponsibility!
The husband is not blind, we see, we hear, we draw logical conclusions.

[cniza]

Yes, it's bad when a person works, not a system, and this is a big problem for us ...

[Konnick]

this is a big problem for us

The main thing is to fart, and let the rest think how to insert the latest weapons into an outdated case. It's easier and cheaper to build a new cruiser. And so it will stretch indefinitely, during the reconstruction there will be even newer weapons and again another "smart" will say "the newest".

[ramzay21]

For actions alone, Nakhimov is certainly not so effective, but as part of the AUG, he can do a lot of things.

[rocket757]

The question is what and how will they do with it ...

[shahor]

Quote: ramzay21

as part of AUG, he can do a lot of things.

So are you offering to sell it to the Americans?

[ramzay21]

We have Kuzya, actually, and when he comes out of repair we will have the opportunity to create one AUG. Nakhimov will be ready at about the same time.

[KrolikZanuda]

And the most unbalanced in terms of the composition of weapons.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: alma

Sergei Shoigu urged to prepare the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" to equip with the latest weapons

And if he had not called, they would not have cooked?
Great news (sarcasm)

Strange somehow ... I, in my naivety, thought that "Admiral Nakhimov" was being modernized in accordance with a previously approved project, which provides for the entire composition of weapons that will be installed on the cruiser.
I believed that it was on the basis of the approved project that funding was allocated and the corresponding contracts were concluded with contractors and suppliers ...
I believed that special people were supervising the proper execution of the project ...
And then it turns out that repairs and modernization are taking place in accordance with the calls of Sergei Shoigu ????

[lucul]

Strange somehow ... I, in my naivety, thought that "Admiral Nakhimov" was being modernized in accordance with a previously approved project, which provides for the entire composition of weapons that will be installed on the cruiser.

And so it was, but instead of Calibers / Onyxes, the Zircons came in time, and for a long time they wanted to "spoil" the S-400.
So we decided to make the earlier approved project even more modern))))

[shahor]

Quote: lucul

So we decided to make the earlier approved project even more modern))))

Best the enemy of the good.

[seregatara1969]

Aftopy- and how many new weapons will there be? Is it difficult to write a headline without errors?

[And Us Rat]

Sergei Shoigu called on

And what does "called" mean? Shouldn't he give the order? Is he the minister of defense or what?

[Alexey Stepanov]

Sergei Shoigu during the meeting called on

Since when is it interesting to call in the army, but not to order?

[sanya_sergant]

No, dear comrades, the Minister of Defense did not call anyone and did not ask tearfully. He reported and discussed.
If anyone claims otherwise, give a direct quote from Shoigu.

[Piramidon]

Sergei Shoigu called on ...

As it is not on the state and not on the military sounds. Appeals are not binding. Not to comply with a specific instruction or order is quite different than not to comply with a "call."

[Tests]

Evil 55 (Eugene) Today, 06:47 AM NEW: "The Minister of Defense does not" call ", but sets tasks and achieves their fulfillment." Evil 55 (Eugene), dear, you think so.
Yesterday I quoted the following words of the journalists of the Severodvinsk news agency BelomorKanal in the comments to the material regarding the towing of the K-3 nuclear submarine on the Sviyaga TPD from Kola to Kronstadt: . All stages of this project are controlled by the general director of the USC Alexei Rakhmanov, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the command of the Russian Navy. "
Yesterday I was surprised that "Zvezdochka" worked for its own money, expelling workers to work in 3 shifts, seven days a week. Apparently the consequences of Covid-19 are affecting me ... Everything is very simple - "Zvezdochka" worked at a loss, because on the site "island-fortov.rf" in the news section they posted: "yesterday at 18:30
Historical moment! The first Soviet nuclear submarine K-3 "Leninsky Komsomol" is preparing for transportation to Kronstadt, where it will be delivered from the Murmansk region from the shipyard "Nerpa" (a branch of JSC "TsS" Zvezdochka "). The entire transition is planned to take about a month.
This is the beginning of a second life and a new path for the legendary nuclear submarine K-3, which will become a key exhibit of the future Museum of Naval Glory in the "Island of Forts". We all look forward to its opening in 2023.
In the meantime, we want to share with you exclusive footage of the dock operation to launch the legendary nuclear submarine K-3. "Everyone knows that the head of the Island of Forts project with multi-million dollar infusions of budget money is an effective manager, who has been assimilating money from the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation since 2019. , Ksenia Shoigu.
So, it looks very similar, maybe I'm wrong, but the Minister of Defense not only "sets tasks and achieves their fulfillment." execution. "

[Sasha from Uralmash]

Well, he didn't call, but he asked, maybe !?

[seregatara1969]

What a crap! Why call when you need to order? Why armaments, if armaments are correct?

[Pavel57]

Quote: Evil 55

The Minister of Defense does not "call", but sets tasks and achieves their fulfillment.

The Minister of Defense has the right ...
Summon.

[Storog dvornik]

Quote: hrych

There is the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and there is the General Staff, they do not call, they force. The Minister of Defense, a kind of gasket ... with wings (a personal plane), well, there is a paradise to take, fishing to the Supreme Commander, and in general he is a builder, deserved of course, so just call. He gave the girls-monkeys general ranks, etc. I am surprised by our commentators, a certain cult of this promoted Medvedev and the instructor of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, who ate a party card out of necessity, of course ... career.

So, after all, he headed the election headquarters of the Darkest, in his first presidential term, for which he received from the Ministry of Internal Affairs a fire brigade with all the property and budget from the Ministry of Internal Affairs with all the property and budget, it’s not for African refugees to ship long johns from captured Germans with humanitarian aid, in zero the Ministry of Emergency Situations was the richest ministry ... Actually, the term "Werewolves in epaulettes" about the generals of the Ministry of Emergencies, a response from the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... I remember the surprise on the face of the local chief of the Civil Defense and Emergencies colonel pre-retirement - an alcoholic with a maximum of 100 people, suddenly wearing general stripes ... tankmen / artillerymen came, and in the fire departments the color of the walls, doors and plates on them became uniform, and of course an amazing form of an Asian look, with elegant chevrons, foreign words and Masonic symbols, no matter how KSSH itself is not hukhrymukhry - Knight of Malta + and a little shaman + say the sketches of the form also took away personally ... And the career of the KSSH is notable, the only member of the Cabinet of Ministers of the RSFSR, in the government of the Russian Federation, hereditary nomenklat hurray, more Andropov / Gorbachev ...
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