The seller is always right: the tsunami of Russian pricing

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Source: fb.ru

Prices come out of hibernation


The summer of 2021 will be remembered not only for the third wave of coronavirus infection in Russia, but also for the unprecedented rise in prices. The most sensitive sector is certainly food.

The so-called "borscht set" has risen in price by several tens of percent. According to Rosstat, in May-June only carrots have risen in price by 64% - in some regions (for example, in Volgograd) the cost of a kilogram of this root crop has reached a fantastic 150 rubles. During the same period, beets grew by 50%, cabbage - by 40%, potatoes - by a third of the price of the beginning of spring.



It has become customary for Russians to equalize the cost of overseas fruits and domestic vegetables. Paradoxically, bananas imported from Ecuador were in the same price as carrots in May-June. Although in some regions the root crop still took its toll and bypassed the South American fruit. Compared to last year, the record holder of the rise in price was the beet with a six-fold increase in price, followed by carrots, the price tag of which increased by two and a half times, and the top three were potatoes, with a XNUMX-fold rise in price.


Photo: oblgazeta.ru / Pavel Vorozhtsov

What do such phenomena, at least surprising for our country, speak about?

First of all, that these are rather difficult times. And the hardest thing in such a turbulent financial period is the poorest. It is this category of citizens who, in any scenario of the development of events, are forced to buy the “borscht set” that has risen in price and redistribute their budget for this. Simply put, vegetable suppliers may not think about the social effect and continue to break prices - Russians will buy anyway. Especially in the hottest period of spring and early summer, when their own root crops have not yet ripened.

According to Rosstat, there are now about 20 million low-income citizens in the country, for whom the increase in the cost of a vegetable food set is very critical. However, not only vegetable.

However, one cannot blame solely the monopolists in the food market.

The rise in the price of food is also associated with the global depreciation of money. During the pandemic, printing presses were turned on around the world, and at least 10 trillion surplus dollars entered the market. Therefore, the growth in the cost of a conventional carrot is explained by the rise in price of a vegetable on a global scale, as well as a banal shortage of it within the country.

History with a shortage of carrots leaves back in 2019, which turned out to be abundant in the harvest. This, in turn, led to a decrease in prices down to the cost price. What did this lead to? That's right, farmers planted fewer carrots in 2020. This prudence was compounded by a drought followed by heavy rains - this reduced the expected yield by 10%. As a result, this summer we see a price of 150 rubles and an active import of vegetables.

Several other important factors contributed to the increase in cost. During the pandemic, the ruble was slowly but surely depreciating against the leading currencies.

The farmers needed to maintain and update the infrastructure and, given the high technological dependence on imports, this resulted in additional costs.

A common misfortune for the entire manufacturing sector in Russia is the shortage of foreign labor. The migrant workers stayed at home due to covid restrictions, and the local labor force requires a larger social package and increased wages. A similar phenomenon is now inflating prices on the primary real estate market - there is a chronic shortage of builders in Russia.

Surprisingly, fertilizers have risen in price in Russia. On average, 60%. At the same time, our country is a longtime exporter of mineral and organic fertilizers with a large share of the foreign market. Here the situation is similar to the rise in fuel prices - a weak national currency stimulates sales abroad, while within the country consumers suffer from price increases.

Sellers are also responsible for the rise in prices.

First, the domestic market is monopolized. Over the past five to six years, so-called retailers have multiplied in most cities, dictating prices in the consumer market. First, large retail chains cut back on small businesses, and then local suppliers of products. And now food is being transported to the regions of the Urals and to the east across half the country, although local producers cannot sell their crops.

Due to the lack of competition, large manufacturers / resellers do not care about the long-term preservation of products. The example with carrots is indicative - there are few vegetable stores in the country capable of storing products until the period of high prices. This would allow to avoid overstocking of stores and smooth out price surges in the market.

Tsunami with the cost of a "borscht set" is far from the only one in the country. Another buy-to-seller battle has erupted in the automotive market.

More expensive and even more expensive


On the one hand, the demand for new cars in Russia is growing. Compared to the first half of 2020, which became a pandemic "low base", sales grew by 37% at once. Of course, not an indicator, but even in comparison with a relatively prosperous 2019, an increase of 5,1%. Not much, however, given the depreciation of the ruble and the massive rise in price, is encouraging. Analysts talk about potential 1,76 million new cars that will be sold by the end of 2021. By the way, about the same volumes were sold in Russia in 2005 and 2010. In the "richest" 2008 and 2012 years, it was possible to sell almost 3 million cars.


Source: drom.ru

This growth in sales is doubly surprising.

On the one hand, the real incomes of Russians have obviously fallen, and on the other, the average price of a new car in the country has grown to 2 million rubles. Two different-vector events should pull sales down. Experts attribute this situation to several reasons.

First, the effect of deferred demand and anxious expectations. Many buyers waited a long time for the right moment to buy - constraints and economic instability interfered. Now everyone knows that cars will go up in price for at least another year and for some consumers this is a clear signal to go to a car dealership.

Secondly, many compatriots have made significant savings on closed borders. Are they not allowed into Europe and the United States? Let's take a car loan and add the finances saved on vacation.

The most important reason for the massive rise in prices for cars was the shortage, which will be overcome only by the middle of next year. There are a lot of reasons - a shortage of semiconductors, a rise in prices due to inflation of rolled metal and disruption of world production lines.

Let's start with semiconductors.

In the past year, carmakers around the world went into a pandemic lockdown. Someone for a few weeks, and someone failed for a couple of months. The automakers rightly decided to save money and canceled a large part of orders for semiconductors from third-party companies. As you know, a modern car is simply stuffed with electronics and this requires several silicon "stones" for one car at once. Companies involved in semiconductor growing were not particularly upset with the canceled orders and quickly redesigned for household appliances, computers and smartphones. And when the demand for carmakers increased, there were no vacant production sites. And the very process of growing ultrapure silicon / germanium crystals cannot be started quickly.

As a result, the winners were those with the processor stock and good connections with the manufacturers. Now these are auto concerns from South Korea. But Europe, and even more so Russia, was not lucky - there are few electronic components in warehouses, and there are not a lot of own manufacturers. In our country, by the way, processors for cars are not produced at all.

As a result, Volkswagen, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Chrysler and Nissan have already stopped conveyors around the world since the beginning of the year. Some companies have seriously simplified the equipment of their cars, trying not to lose market share. For example, they replaced climate control, which requires the simplest electronic brains, with a conventional air conditioner.

The original domestic products of AvtoVAZ, of course, in expensive trim levels did not escape this fate.


Source: drivenn.ru

The price of rolled metal products also contributed to the increase in a similar way. It's simple - if steel rises in price because of cheap money, then metallurgists will rewrite the price tags for domestic consumers. The general decline in trading activity caused interruptions in the supply of auto components to the conveyor. A car is a purely global product, and no country produces such equipment only from its own components.

In Russia, the shortage of cars caused not only a rise in prices, but also an openly predatory behavior of car dealers.

On the models of the most popular cars, sellers wind up from 100 thousand to 2-2,5 million rubles. The scheme is simple to the point of impossibility - you simply cannot purchase a car without the options imposed by the dealer. For example, noise insulation, rugs, mudguards, alarms, deflectors and tinting can cost up to 250 thousand. At the same time, their real price does not exceed 50-70 thousand rubles.

The most surprising thing is that there is nothing that automakers can do about it. Say, yes, we know the problem, but we are not able to influence the sellers. It came to selling places in line for the most popular models. For example, for 60-70 thousand rubles you can buy the seat of the first-order buyer Skoda Octavia, the cost of which exceeds 2 million. The raisin of the deal is that the car is ordered in advance and is deprived of most of the dealer's options.

Some companies tried to organize direct online sales according to the scheme "pay directly to the plant - you pick up the car from the dealer." For example, Hyundai had something similar - the carmaker only issued an invoice from above for 50 thousand rubles for delivery to the dealership nearest to the buyer. But it does not work - dealers are not stupid to lose free margin and simply sabotaged the initiative. As a result, everyone is happy, except for the customer who chronically overpays.

If we do not take into account the meager domestic car market and weak competition, then to some extent this situation is provoked by the absence of the institution of business reputation in our country. Such boorish behavior of car dealers and indulgence on the part of the manufacturer has no response from the consumer. Dealers with draconian markups are breaking sales records, which means that people vote for it with a ruble.

The period of frantic markups will pass. And everyone will forget everything. But it will pass to break out again next time.
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  1. +39
    4 August 2021 03: 48
    In our country, the people have always had all and sundry, from small traders to the state itself ...
    1. +38
      4 August 2021 05: 34
      I have to agree with you, except that under the Soviet Union it was not so frank and impudent as it is now.
      1. -20
        4 August 2021 06: 29
        Quote: SERGE ANT
        I have to agree with you, except that under the Soviet Union it was not so frank and impudent as it is now.

        with the union, the same stocks in prices were enough.
        Compare the cost of meat, sausage or vodka to the minimum wage then and now and you will understand the difference. let alone furniture. cars. electronics and so on - there is nothing to say at all.
        1. +50
          4 August 2021 06: 45
          The comparison of sausage with electronics below is well described by Mikhail (who DalniyV) is well described using the example of potatoes and a smartphone. I wanted to say that I don’t remember that under the Soviet Union everyone tried to rip off people like sticky, much was generally free .. Now pay for everything. Born - pay, baptized - pay, went to kindergarten - pay, and so on and on and on.
          1. -48
            4 August 2021 06: 48
            Quote: SERGE ant
            that I don’t remember that under the Soviet Union, the people were all trying to rip off the sticky

            so there was nothing to rip off. 90% lived paycheck to paycheck
            Quote: SERGE ant
            , much was generally free

            free only cheese in a mousetrap.
            Quote: SERGE ant
            Pay for everything now.

            I do not think that for everything.
            Quote: SERGE ant
            Born - pay, baptized - pay, went to kindergarten - pay, and so on and on and on.

            well, and the opportunity to earn more.
            1. +59
              4 August 2021 07: 04
              Opportunities for officials to nominate more, you wanted to say? Under the Union, then they (albeit not all, but mostly) were given a hand, but now that no lieutenant colonel is a billionaire, that not a traffic cop is a gold toilet, that not an official or a deputy - so castles and estates on the shores of the azure.
              1. -38
                4 August 2021 07: 15
                Quote: SERGE ANT
                Opportunities for officials to nominate more, you wanted to say? Under the Union, then they (albeit not all, but mostly) were given a hand, but now that no lieutenant colonel is a billionaire, that not a traffic cop is a gold toilet, that not an official or a deputy - so castles and estates on the shores of the azure.

                Well, you have it.
                And with the union, the same were different, I saw enough, of course not such a stratification, but I prefer capitalism - I myself will earn as much as I need (or as much as I can) - and so I will live and restrictions - only your education, initiative, enterprise, me so good, I see a worthy assessment of my work.
                1. +16
                  4 August 2021 10: 40
                  I prefer capitalism - I myself will earn as much as I need (or as much as I can) - and so I will live and restrictions - only your education, initiative, enterprise, I feel so good, I see a worthy assessment of my work.

                  Well, of course, as a real edros, you don't give a damn about pensioners, disabled people, doctors, teachers.
                  And capitalism of an autocratic type is called feudalism.
                  1. +5
                    4 August 2021 11: 16
                    hi I am interested in such a phenomenon under socialism as ---
                    ... three rubles on top ...
                    .... 10 on top ......
                    and so on, depending on what and to whom. When did it start? How long did it take until the collapse of the USSR.
                    1. +1
                      5 August 2021 07: 47
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      hi I am interested in such a phenomenon under socialism as ---
                      ... three rubles on top ...
                      .... 10 on top ......
                      and so on, depending on what and to whom. When did it start? How long did it take until the collapse of the USSR.

                      Yes. And take something from the classics of Marxism-Leninism to Conan Doyle ...
                      1. +1
                        5 August 2021 11: 27
                        Quote: Trapper7
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        hi I am interested in such a phenomenon under socialism as ---
                        ... three rubles on top ...
                        .... 10 on top ......
                        and so on, depending on what and to whom. When did it start? How long did it take until the collapse of the USSR.

                        Yes. And take something from the classics of Marxism-Leninism to Conan Doyle ...

                        In my opinion, this is not as bad as buying junk coupons for 5 rubles. Given that the book costs 1 ruble. That is, a completely wild proportion, for a book on newsprint. And if at those prices ----- ~~ ===== 3 kg of meat, then it is more expensive than buying a similar book now without any perversions. If the most reading people - why not print in such a way that there would be no shortage? True, in my opinion, with regard to children's books and textbooks, was it abundant and cheap? Or do I not know everything?
                  2. 0
                    4 August 2021 14: 12
                    Quote: Civil
                    Well, of course, as a real edros, you don't give a damn about pensioners, disabled people, doctors, teachers.

                    I didn’t grow up. I live in a capital country and, strangely enough, an ordinary engineering technician
                2. +17
                  4 August 2021 11: 30
                  Do you live in Russia?
                  If not, then it is strange to extol "capitalism" in Russia in comparison with the USSR.
                  We do not have capitalism.
                  And if you compare capitalism in Israel, then this is not clear from the text, and some kind of dissonance turns out, which is 50% of the dispute (misunderstanding) in the response comments.

                  Because our initial premise of the situation is rather the opposite of
                  "I myself will earn as much as I need (or as much as I can) - and so I will live and restrictions - only your education, initiative, enterprise, I feel so good, I see a worthy assessment of my work."
                  1. +5
                    4 August 2021 12: 11
                    We do not have capitalism.
                    And if you are comparing capitalism in Israel,


                    Capitalism must be fought for. There are all kinds of strikes, "yellow vests" and other elements of the class struggle. So all over the world, from the United States to "socialist" Sweden. And the atalef (Alexander) got there by pulling on the ready ... laughing People like him could eventually destroy Israel. wassat And not only him.
                    1. -6
                      4 August 2021 14: 15
                      Quote: dauria
                      And the atalef (Alexander) got there by pull to the ready.

                      By pull? belay
                      all my cronyism is the 5th column in my passport
                      ready 7
                      you would be so ready.
                      And he worked as a loader and dug ditches for cables.
                      1. +16
                        4 August 2021 15: 10
                        By pull? belay
                        all my cronyism is the 5th column in my passport
                        ready 7


                        Bah, what grudges !!! laughing And what am I? Over there, a neighbor is married to a German woman from Saratov - he also rode off into ready-made capitalism ... To dig ditches as a loader - this is how a bunch of educated people in Russia have been engaged in this and continue to do this. Only here is the trick, they will stop paying you - you are also from Israel and Germany in search of a new ready-made promised land, and let the aborigines fight for it ... laughing
                        It is your children who will already be Israelis and Germans, and you will continue to flee from your native land, whether you like it or not.
                      2. -12
                        4 August 2021 17: 33
                        Quote: dauria
                        they will stop paying you - you are also from Israel and Germany in search of a new ready-made promised land, and let the natives fight for it ...

                        Do not measure people by yourself
                        Quote: dauria
                        in you and will remain escaped from the native land, whether you like it or not.

                        You are strange for you.
                        Are you surprised by the desire of a Jew to live in Israel?
                        I was born in Russia, and my native land is here.
                        You can not understand.
                      3. +12
                        4 August 2021 17: 53
                        I was born in Russia, and my native land is here.
                        You can not understand.

                        What's incomprehensible? Also to me - Newton's binomial. You hang out on a site with the Russian language, mostly among Russians. Just ? I agreed with my conscience. Even the murderers come to terms with her. It works like this - if it is impossible to change the situation, then protection against useless "torment" is activated. Moreover, the host is interested in singing sweet speeches to your ears.
                        But the deed remained - he threw the Motherland.
                      4. -3
                        4 August 2021 18: 29
                        Quote: dauria
                        You hang out on a site with the Russian language, mostly among Russians. Just ?

                        For fun, I have enough free time, and there are enough friends here.
                        Quote: dauria
                        I agreed with my conscience. Even the murderers come to terms with her.

                        My conscience is all right, there are no debts in Russia, no criminal or other cases have been opened, I served in the army.
                        Quote: dauria
                        Moreover, the host is interested in singing sweet speeches to your ears.

                        Xnumx years?
                        We are not so stupid as to believe in fairy tales and promised for so many years.
                        Quote: dauria
                        But the deed remained - he threw the Motherland.

                        My homeland is here.
                      5. +8
                        5 August 2021 01: 18
                        Quote: atalef
                        My homeland is here

                        Was he born there? Or who of the relatives was born there? Surely all your relatives to the last knee are from the former Russian Empire. And what connected you with Palestine (before you got there) besides ancient myths and legends?
                      6. -5
                        5 August 2021 05: 39
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Quote: atalef
                        My homeland is here

                        Was he born there? Or who of the relatives was born there? Surely all your relatives to the last knee are from the former Russian Empire. And what connected you with Palestine (before you got there) besides ancient myths and legends?

                        And what connects you with Russia - besides ancient myths and legends? Place of birth? So you were born there, born in Kazakhstan or in Turkmenistan - in a Russian family, and?
                        What is Russia for you then?
                      7. +2
                        5 August 2021 19: 02
                        I apologize for the tactlessness that I get into someone else's conversation! Good evening everyone! Atalef, but it seems to me that the Motherland is where it will be born! And the same can be paraphrased, parents are not chosen. I'm half Russian, half Azerbaijani! But Motherland, Mother Russia, I love right down to the marrow of my bones! Even now I am writing this and goosebumps! I am not judging, do not think! It just seems to me that love for the Motherland is in the blood !!! Yours faithfully!
                      8. +4
                        4 August 2021 20: 20
                        This one, how so, was born in the point a native land thousands of miles away? So I, too, was born in Sverdlovsk, and my father in the Kuban. So where is my native land? .. Indeed, do not understand ...
                      9. -4
                        4 August 2021 22: 21
                        Quote: Grim Reaper
                        This one, how so, was born in the point a native land thousands of miles away?

                        Native land - this is where you feel at home, I suppose some Frenchman - a descendant of Russians in the 5th generation (who fled from the Bolsheviks), feels that his Motherland is Russia and - you would write boiling water for 4 days with happiness, and not would yell - like I was born in France, and there you come in handy

                        Quote: Grim Reaper
                        So I, too, was born in Sverdlovsk, and my father in the Kuban. So where is my native land?

                        It's up to you, no one can force you to consider your Motherland something for which you do not have such a feeling.
                      10. +5
                        5 August 2021 02: 47
                        Yes. Understood. Like at home. Apparently there is a bit of mysticism that Jews feel at home only in Israel. Even if only seen in the photo.
                      11. +2
                        5 August 2021 21: 07
                        Yes, yes))) Homeland is where Jo-pa is warm.
                        Typical Soviet Jew. Dummy. For this, the native Jews despise you. You are traitors, you have no homeland.
                  2. -3
                    4 August 2021 14: 13
                    Quote: Revival
                    And if you are comparing capitalism in Israel, then this is not clear from the text

                    and I do not compare. I just live under capitalism. in Israel
                    Quote: Revival
                    Because our initial premise of the situation is rather the opposite of
                    "I myself will earn as much as I need (or as much as I can) - and so I will live and restrictions - only your education, initiative, enterprise, I feel so good, I see a worthy assessment of my work."

                    well, I have nothing to do with it
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                4. +2
                  4 August 2021 17: 00
                  Quote: atalef
                  and restrictions - only your education, initiative, enterprise

                  just?
                  Well, the fact that 70-80% are not satisfied with their income and standard of living is to blame.
                  capitalism gave them every opportunity.
                  except perhaps for personal talents and abilities, and quality education.
                  1. -9
                    4 August 2021 17: 42
                    Quote: Flood
                    Well, the fact that 70-80% are not satisfied with their income and standard of living is to blame.

                    Of course, study, work more, find a second job, move your booty - port does not flow under a lying stone.
                    1. -8
                      4 August 2021 17: 45
                      Quote: atalef
                      Of course, study, work more, find a second job, move your booty - port does not flow under a lying stone.

                      it is obvious that this is not about the majority.
                      alas, most of humanity is passive.
                      and it is the level of conditions for self-realization of this majority that largely determines the development of the state.
                      and yes, you are right.
                      if you are poor, it means stupid.
                      1. +6
                        4 August 2021 18: 32
                        Quote: Flood
                        if you are poor, it means stupid.


                        K. Marx was poor and lived off the bourgeois Engels ...
                        Perelman G.Ya. (proved Poincaré's theorem) Gave up a lot of money for this, is he stupid?

                        In general, you are right, but there are particulars))

                        Quote: Flood
                        and it is the level of conditions for self-realization of this majority that largely determines the development of the state.


                        Not the majority. Most, as you correctly noted passively. Self-realization is needed by active societies. He knows how to knit brooms, under capitalism he will find a niche in 99% of cases, and under socialism it may turn out that in the gene. the development plan of his brooms and did not fit.
                      2. 0
                        4 August 2021 18: 53
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        K. Marx was poor and lived off the bourgeois Engels ...
                        Perelman G.Ya. (proved Poincaré's theorem) Gave up a lot of money for this, is he stupid?

                        Do you know how to read between the lines))
                        I hope that at least the addressee of my words caught the irony.
                        Otherwise, yes: capitalism is our everything.
                      3. -3
                        4 August 2021 18: 55
                        Quote: Flood
                        Otherwise, yes: capitalism is our everything.



                        As sad as it may sound for the theorists of Marxism-Leninism. But man is such an animal that for him capitalism is the optimal system. And therefore, nature cannot be fooled))))
                      4. 0
                        4 August 2021 19: 06
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        But man is such an animal that for him capitalism is the optimal system. And therefore, nature cannot be fooled))))

                        a miserable weak monkey, inhabiting a planet full of predators and diseases, destroying itself for millennia, putting on the crown of the king of nature on its head that has shrunk over the past century - isn't it the most graphic example of the greatest deception of nature in history?
                      5. +2
                        4 August 2021 19: 12
                        Quote: Flood
                        tricking nature


                        Is nature deceiving itself? )) Hardly. It is not the stronger ones that survive, but the more adapted to the living conditions. For example, roundworms, they live in the king of nature, they do not see the white light. Are they stronger? )))
                      6. 0
                        4 August 2021 19: 15
                        and who is talking about strength?
                        it is not the strong who resort to deception, but the weak, but the cunning.
                        I am poorly familiar with the kingdom of parasites, therefore, excuse me, I cannot communicate with you with dignity on this fascinating topic.
                      7. +1
                        4 August 2021 19: 17
                        Quote: Flood
                        it is not the strong who resort to deception, but the weak, but the cunning.


                        Everyone has their own strength)) The main thing is to leave behind those who are similar to themselves ... And at least the grass does not grow there ... on the nuclear ashes)))
                      8. 0
                        4 August 2021 19: 20
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        And there at least the grass does not grow ... on the nuclear ashes)))

                        has nature outsmarted itself?
                        depending on what you mean by nature.
                        its wealth and diversity.
                        or those winners of the race of evolution who will eventually remain on the planet to rustle with their red paws.
                      9. +2
                        4 August 2021 19: 31
                        Quote: Flood
                        depending on what you mean by nature.


                        Well, this question is generally from the field of theology)) They are not confessable, however, the paths are without a navigator))

                        But returning to our bar ... ahem ... monkeys, we can say with confidence that under capitalism there can be no mutually destructive war, since after it the profit will become negative)) But with a more developed system, in which, as it were, imperialist capitalism, the idea that not everyone will go to heaven, as some will die, soars in the clouds and can bite in the crown ... And then red paws will leave dusty traces on a beach glazed with horror in Haiti.
                      10. 0
                        4 August 2021 19: 47
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        we can say with confidence that under capitalism there can be no mutually destructive war, since after it the profit will become negative))

                        despite the seeming paradox and unnaturalness of this, capitalism has managed to extract very indecent profits from the two world wars.
                      11. +2
                        4 August 2021 19: 52
                        Quote: Flood
                        indecent profits from two world wars.


                        The classic was right about 300% profit. Although some especially zealous are periodically hung up, after all the offsetting, according to the results, so to speak ... but 300% is 300%)))

                        Well, again, nothing moves progress like war ... It's a shame, annoying, but a historical fact. He who does not move progress, then feeds other people's uncles and his aunts sleep with them
                    2. +1
                      4 August 2021 22: 38
                      find a second job, move your booty - port does not flow under a lying stone.

                      Especially where there is no way to find the first one!
            2. +16
              4 August 2021 11: 03
              Quote: atalef
              so there was nothing to rip off. 90% lived paycheck to paycheck

              Is it possible to see some kind of statistics, of those times, which corresponds to this statement of yours? Or is this your usual sabotage, like the fact that the USSR only made galoshes or that there was no meat cattle in the USSR?
              Quote: atalef
              , much was generally free

              free only cheese in a mousetrap.

              Are you talking about Soviet free medicine or education?
              Quote: atalef
              Born - pay, baptized - pay, went to kindergarten - pay, and so on and on and on.

              well, and the opportunity to earn more.

              Lies, for an ordinary person there were many times more opportunities to earn honestly.
              1. -13
                4 August 2021 12: 16
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Is it possible to see some kind of statistics, of those times, which corresponds to this statement of yours?

                You've seen her thousands of times. For example, in the film "Office Romance" - the main character for the sake of an increase of 10 (!!!!) rubles - is ready to take care of the crocodile-boss. He kicked the kids on sandals until payday ...

                You just looked - but you didn't see
                1. +13
                  4 August 2021 13: 06
                  Quote: your1970
                  You've seen her thousands of times. For example, in the film "Office Romance" - the main character for the sake of an increase of 10 (!!!!) rubles - is ready to take care of the crocodile-boss.

                  If only this nonsense was taken out of the film "Office Romance", then I am sincerely sorry for you.
                  Quote: your1970
                  He kicked the kids on sandals until payday ...

                  Again you are talking nonsense, it was children's sandals that cost a penny (less than a ruble, as far as I remember). Also, please tell me, since when has information from feature films become statistics? I wrote in my Russian language:
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Is it possible to see some kind of statistics, of those times, which corresponds to this statement of yours? Or is this your usual sabotage, like the fact that the USSR only made galoshes or that there was no meat cattle in the USSR?

                  So what about the statistics? Start with the food standards in the USSR, with the consumption of meat and a pier. products, with the cost of a grocery basket, etc. and compare that with the average salary.
                  1. -14
                    4 August 2021 15: 54
                    So what about the statistics? Start with the food standards in the USSR, with the consumption of meat and a pier. products, with the cost of a grocery basket, etc. and compare that with the average salary. And where could this statistics come from in the USSR - except from the calculations of the State Planning Commission, and it was not guided by the real demand, everything for all the institutes counted on and the sweat wasted their calculations on the amount of goods and products for production, and there below there are constant postscripts and a crooked distribution of the lack of that other from here and the deficit for everything, and hence the correct statistics on the growing consumption in the USSR, in fact, people were not questioned - the true in the last instance were the calculations of the State Planning Commission, and how it really was, everyone who worked with the reports did not care.
                    1. +11
                      4 August 2021 16: 22
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      So, what about the statistics? .....

                      That is, besides your inventions you have nothing on your hands? And the stat reports then were much more accurate than the current ones, especially on food consumption per capita, even in the late USSR. And then they were published in specialized editions. And the level of consumption in the USSR was constantly growing, in contrast to today, up to Gorbachev.
                    2. 0
                      4 August 2021 18: 48
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      calculations for the number of goods and products


                      We can add that palm petroleum jelly began to be brought in by carriages at a time when Mikhail Sergeevich did not even think about restructuring. But dietary fat was no longer enough. And disastrously, hence the decision to feed the workers with something that looks like butter only in name.

                      1. -1
                        4 August 2021 22: 49
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        We can add that palm petroleum jelly began to be brought in by carriages at a time when Mikhail Sergeevich did not even think about restructuring.
                        -It began to be imported even under Khrushchev ...
                        Read the GOST Soviet margarine and about the army kombihir (the same one is white !!!) ...
                        Surprise ...
                        It was necessary to pay off with something Indonesia and others for our tanks / planes - so they drove the palm tree even then ...
                      2. +1
                        4 August 2021 23: 34
                        Quote: your1970
                        Surprise ...

                        What




                        In general, the first purchases of palm oil are dated as ...



                        1928 year

                        And then they proved in popular science that you can eat it immensely)))


                        So food problems arose as soon as possible. And then they tended to grow.

                        In 2019, the Russian Federation has already imported 1 million tons of palm trees.
                      3. -1
                        5 August 2021 00: 24
                        what are you ...
                        right now adherents will come running
                        Quote: Esaul
                        And you will also compare the quality of products in the USSR and now. For example, the same sausage, cookies, sweets.

                        and they will kick you ...
                        they already DO NOT REMEMBER- that the cream on the cakes was on a margarine basis, and the "Potato" cake was the one from childhood - generally a bare palm tree, for it was made of margarine ....
                  2. -1
                    4 August 2021 22: 29
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    If only this nonsense was taken out of the film "Office Romance", then I am sincerely sorry for you.
                    - and so always ... they lived then and saw EVERYTHING - but now they are ready to remember only "blue sky and green grass."
                    the text of the film (sinful - not 10, but 20 rubles)

                    "My name is Anatoly Efremovich, my surname is Novoseltsev.
                    I only live on my salary, that is, paycheck to paycheck.
                    In a word, I'm getting out ...
                    In a word, I'm spinning.

                    - Hi!
                    - Listen, Vovka tore his shoes again. Wherever get 20 rubles before payday?
                    - I do not know. Wait, I'll just take the medicine now.
                    - Listen, where is it all the same get 20 rubles, and? Now, if I were appointed head of the department! ..
                    - I would appoint you. And what? You are a great worker, you have a lot of experience.
                    Go to our mudra and talk to her. Tell her!
                    Lord, who should I appoint if not you?
                    "It's unthinkable."

                    But God bless him with the film ... give you statistics

                    So, according to statistics, the number of Buran snowmobiles across the country was equal for any region. And there were 2 Burana in the store in Kushka (where it snows until lunchtime in January, and in the afternoon +20) for nothing nobody needed, but somewhere in Siberia for them 5 The multiples were given, and on average everything was exactly according to statistics.
                    The same canoe was with books - for Dumas / Strugatskikh / Bulgakov we were choking in queues and handed over waste paper, and 150 kilometers away in Kazakhstan they were worthless to anyone
                    and on average in the country, there was a certain number of books per capita

                    And the cherry on the cake - a war veteran lived in our railway barracks - a full holder of the Order of Glory.The barrack was recognized as emergency in ... 1972 !!!!! died in the same barrack in the 2000s ... the barrack collapsed after 5 years after him.
                    The Soviet government got rid of him with the Order of the Patriotic War ... Okay, the current one, but what about own folk so could with him ???
                    And according to statistics, all the order bearers were provided with housing ...
                2. +6
                  4 August 2021 21: 16
                  Quote: your1970
                  He kicked the kids on sandals until payday ...

                  The sandals were not simple .. but imported .. And there were a lot of our own for a penny .. It was fashionable to have foreign clothes .. so they saved up ..
                3. 0
                  4 August 2021 22: 41
                  ready to care for the boss crocodile.

                  You saw the crocodile in the mirror! Take more vodka!
                  1. -1
                    5 August 2021 22: 53
                    Quote: VIK1711
                    ready to care for the boss crocodile.

                    You saw the crocodile in the mirror! Take more vodka!

                    and you saw the movie - but nifiga it don't remember.....
                    "- Hi!
                    - Listen, Vovka tore his shoes again. Where to get 20 rubles before payday?
                    - I do not know. Wait, I'll just take the medicine now.
                    - Listen, where can you get 20 rubles, eh? Now, if I were appointed head of the department! ..
                    - I would appoint you. And what? You are a great worker, you have a lot of experience.
                    Go to our MYMRE and talk to her. Tell her!"
                    "We call her" our mymra"."
                    "- You know who our mymre appointed as deputy? "

                    she was such a beauty - that the subordinates called her exclusively dirty...

                    ZY About "take more vodka!" - you judge by yourself ??? tie up a drink - health is more expensive ...
              2. -5
                4 August 2021 14: 18
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Is it possible to see some kind of statistics, of those times, which corresponds to this statement of yours?

                statistics 7 I lived in the USSR for 24 years.
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Are you talking about Soviet free medicine or education?

                OGbo everything - we seem to have the same medicine and education for free.
                Only I pay such taxes. that the reamobil could also contain a doctor in addition
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Lies, for an ordinary person there were many times more opportunities to earn honestly.

                I work honestly in the company.
                I have something to compare.
                There were no such opportunities in the USSR.
                And even more so not at times.
                1. +13
                  4 August 2021 15: 34
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Is it possible to see some kind of statistics, of those times, which corresponds to this statement of yours?

                  statistics 7 I lived in the USSR for 24 years.

                  And further? I lived in the USSR for 23 years, then what?
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  So what about the statistics? Start with the food standards in the USSR, with the consumption of meat and a pier. products, with the cost of a grocery basket, etc. and compare that with the average salary.

                  Can't you bring the same? Or does the comparison with the present time look too depressing?
                  Quote: atalef
                  OGbo everything - we seem to have the same medicine and education for free.

                  Would you like to compare the current "free" education and medicine with the Soviet ones?

                  Quote: atalef
                  I work honestly in the company.
                  I have something to compare.
                  There were no such opportunities in the USSR.
                  And even more so not at times.

                  Under the USSR, I personally, while working at the Armavir Electrotechnical Plant as an instrumentation and control installer, I received 220 rubles, two or three times in two months I did a shabashka (under a temporary employment contract) on commissioning of CNC machines and personnel training. For each sabbat I got about 700 rubles, only weekends were spent. People also collected furniture walls, kept greenhouses, kept cows (it was very profitable), etc. And whoever wanted to make money - went to the North, the salaries there were not like the current ones.
                  So the common people had more opportunities at times.
                  1. -3
                    4 August 2021 18: 01
                    [quote = aleksejka wink banets] And further? I lived under the USSR for 23 years, then what? [/ Quote]
                    Then what fairy tales are you telling ?.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Can't you bring the same? Or does the comparison with the present time look too depressing?

                    Kalinin region, city of Nelidovo - 1977 and then there was nothing in stores - except for vodka, bread, gray pasta, juices and canned seaweed, margarine.
                    Milk, sour cream 2 times a week, eggs - not to buy, meat - not at all, vegetables, fruits only the market, no meat a priori, etc. etc.
                    Norms? What the hell are the norms - there were coupons introduced in the early 80s - probably from abundance.
                    If it were not for the train to Moscow (night ride), there would have been nothing to eat at all
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Would you like to compare the current "free" education and medicine with the Soviet ones?

                    Our ?
                    Don't start.
                    You will feel bad.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Under the USSR, I personally, while working at the Armavir Electrotechnical Plant as an instrumentation and control installer, I received 220 rubles, two or three times in two months I did a shabashka (under a temporary employment contract) on commissioning of CNC machines and personnel training. For each sabbat I got about 700 rubles, only weekends were spent. People also collected furniture walls, kept greenhouses, kept cows (it was very profitable)

                    That is, the people worked after work - out of love for art (especially keeping cows laughing ) - there was not enough money, but to buy something normal - to overpay an exorbitant price.
                    I will not tell you what salaries and benefits a normal worker or IT has at a good capital enterprise - I assure you that no other enterprise in the USSR has ever had such a word.
                    Maybe, of course, it was in super closed boxes, but I'm not talking about defense, here on defense they earn the same in full growth
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    went to the North, salaries were not like there

                    Have you lived in the north, have you seen shift workers ?.
                    Dog life.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    So the common people had more opportunities at times.

                    I am a simple engineer - with 30 years of work experience in an organization like RAO EU - I manage my enterprise, including all benefits, pension contributions, food, clothing, rest in sanatoriums - for the last year -
                    NIS 1270000 per year (we receive a brochure every year for each.
                    Divide by 3.25
                    About 400k bucks.
                    Tell me about the opportunities in the USSR wink
                    1. +4
                      4 August 2021 22: 47
                      NIS 1270000 per year (we receive a brochure every year for each.
                      Divide by 3.25
                      About 400k bucks.
                      Tell me about the possibilities in the USSR wink

                      And the debts of Comrade. When will you return to Stalin and the USSR for the construction of the state of Israel? Because of you, living in the Russian Federation is lousy, tk. money to the common people because of your UNEMAVE in the government is not enough !!!
                    2. +4
                      4 August 2021 23: 56
                      Quote: atalef
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      went to the North, salaries were not like there

                      Have you lived in the north, have you seen shift workers ?.
                      Dog life.

                      Well, tell us about a dog's life. At that time, I was just working as a watch, and it was in the North. But it's always interesting to read a "knowledgeable person", isn't it? laughing

                      Kalinin region, city of Nelidovo - 1977 and then there was nothing in stores - except for vodka, bread, gray pasta, juices and canned seaweed, margarine.
                      Milk, sour cream 2 times a week, eggs - not to buy, meat - not at all, vegetables, fruits only the market, no meat a priori, etc. etc.

                      And what, it was always and everywhere? No, of course not. You just haven't seen anything except Nelidov, probably.
                      What the fuck are the norms - they introduced coupons in the early 80s

                      That is, there were no coupons before the 80s? What happened? Do not know?
                      It is foolish to compare the 80s with today. Who knows where Russia would be if it had followed the path of China. China is now growing at a rate that is far from capitalist Israel.
                      1. 0
                        5 August 2021 00: 39
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        ... Who knows where Russia would be if she followed the path of China. China is now growing at a rate that capitalist Israel is far from

                        Alternative history - in another section ...
                        China did not turn into the dark alley of "democratically promised goodies" on Tiananmen Square in 1988. And then the Chinese lived at the level of our 50s of the XX century.
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Kalinin region, city of Nelidovo - 1977 and then there was nothing in stores - except for vodka, bread, gray pasta, juices and canned seaweed, margarine.
                        Milk, sour cream 2 times a week, eggs - not to buy, meat - not at all, vegetables, fruits only the market, no meat a priori, etc. etc.
                        And what, it was always and everywhere? No, of course not. You just didn't see anything except Nelidov, probably

                        The middle zone of Russia was as poor as a church mouse. Life in the villages was bleak, despite cheerful reports of record harvests and crazy milk yields.
                        I went to harvest potatoes in 1976 and 1977. As a transport, they brought drivers from Udmurtia, and even conscripts from the GSVG! Railway trains!
                        How much did the potatoes collected by the students of the technical school actually cost and transported to warehouses by trucks driven from the GDR?
                        And I don’t want to talk about the assortment in the general store. As well as about living conditions during the harvesting of an unprecedented harvest.
                        At the same time, the people in the local villages did not bother too much. Local unemployed young "peasants" came to dances in the club, where we slept on two-story bunks in the closets, some in Minsk, some at Voskhod. And when we came together on a showdown like who has a more powerful jet, there were more local "peasants" than us, young guys. But we removed the potatoes.
                      2. +2
                        5 August 2021 14: 30
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        ... Who knows where Russia would be if she followed the path of China. China is now growing at a rate that capitalist Israel is far from

                        Alternative history - in another section ...

                        An example of "alternative history" is now beyond our eastern border. This is reality.
                        The middle zone of Russia was as poor as a church mouse.

                        What are you saying! belay Seriously? wassat
                        Here is a grandfather and grandmother - there was a house, a bathhouse, farm buildings. All the furniture they needed, gas (cylinder), TV, refrigerator, radio (they didn't need a tape recorder for nothing), a motorcycle with a sidecar, a cow, pigs, a garden, a vegetable garden and four children. And by the way, there were savings on the book, in my opinion, five thousand. Nice money in the late 70s. This is the price of an average home at the time. And so everyone lived who did not idle and did not get drunk. I'm not talking about metallurgists yet. There, a salary of 400 - 500 rubles and a bunch of benefits, sanatoriums, retirement at 45, etc. etc.
                        You call this "a beggar like a church mouse" ???? !!!! Seriously???!!!!! Mice out ...
                        What did they not have, that would not be poverty, a new iPhone? You reported it, in my opinion. Yet a sense of proportion is a good thing.
                        I went to harvest potatoes in 1976 and 1977. Drivers from Udmurtia, and even conscripts from the GSVG, were brought to us as transport! ..... At the same time, the people in the local villages did not really bother.

                        And who bothered that?
                        There were more than 2 thousand cows in the neighboring collective farm alone. They were also milked by conscripts from the GSVG with students of the technical school? Did they sow, sting, prepare feed, too? Something I have not seen a single student driving a combine or behind a cow's boob, as well as conscripts.
                      3. +1
                        5 August 2021 14: 46
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        An example of "alternative history" is now beyond our eastern border. This is reality

                        This reality cannot be crammed into our conditions due to the difference in mentality. Judging by your own text, you spent the period of Soviet power "with your grandparents" on the stove. While the Chinese plowed hard for the good of the Chinese Communist Party.
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        And so everyone lived who did not idle and did not drink

                        This is exactly the address of today's whiners, who are paid a salary for the very fact of being at the workplace. And more.
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        There, a salary of 400 - 500 rubles and a bunch of benefits, sanatoriums, retirement at 45, etc. and so on

                        Remind - where in Central Russia were metallurgical plants built? You would have figured out geography for a start, and then tried to sell tales about the Land of the Soviets ...
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        And who bothered that?
                        There were more than 2 thousand cows in the neighboring collective farm alone. They were also milked by conscripts from the GSVG with college students

                        It seems that I am bothering to talk about real life in the USSR. But - not in the horse feed ... You would be all about milking ... Is this a complex?
                      4. 0
                        6 August 2021 16: 26
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        There were more than 2 thousand cows in the neighboring collective farm alone. They were also milked by conscripts from the GSVG with students of the technical school? Did they sow, sting, prepare feed, too? Something I have not seen a single student driving a combine or behind a cow's boob, as well as conscripts.

                        and have not watched the movie?SOVIET ???and have NOT seen ???
                        come on...
                        "I deeply respect you as a scientist, but your moral character ...
                        As the deputy director of the institute, I received a call from a weighty organization.
                        In the grocery store, people bought potatoes in bags, and what did they find there? Are pineapples?
                        Don't joke boy, don't joke.
                        They found a business card professors with all regalia, phone numbers and address.
                        What kind of trick is this?
                        Who sent you to this vegetable base?
                        Yes, but sent all my employees. And I found it impossible not to go with them.
                        Moreover, I am used to working conscientiously.
                        And, if I pack potatoes with a salary of 500 rubles, then I am responsible for each potato. Were there any complaints about the quality?
                        It seems not.
                        When you buy a box of chocolates, there is always a piece of paper "Stacker # 2" inside.
                        And at the vegetable base, neither me nor the doctors of science were given any numbers. So I had to put my business card in the bags. "

                        do not remember where it came from? "Garage" did not, did not look?

                        Didn't they listen to V.S. Vysotsky either?

                        Comrades scientists, associate professors with candidates!
                        Are you tormented with the Xs, entangled in zeros,
                        Sit there, decompose molecules into atoms,
                        Forgetting that decaying potatoes in the fields.

                        You try to extract balm from mold and mold
                        And you extract the roots ten times a day ...
                        Oh, you get there, oh, you get paid,
                        While rotting, moldy potatoes on the vine!

                        So this: we reach the Skhodny bus,
                        And there - trot, and do not moan!
                        I suppose we all respect potatoes,
                        When to knead it with salts.

                        You can become famous almost throughout Europe, since
                        With shovels, show your patriotism here,
                        And then with all your kagal there attacked the tumor,
                        You cut dogs with knives, and this is banditry!

                        and about the "virgin battalions" have not heard ?? and the conscripts on potatoes are generally sacred ...
                      5. -2
                        5 August 2021 06: 11
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        At that time, I was just working as a watch, and it was in the North. But it's always interesting to read a "knowledgeable person", isn't it?

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        And what, it was always and everywhere? No, of course not.

                        Have you been everywhere the same? on all watches?

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        You just haven't seen anything except Nelidov, probably.

                        Kalinin, Vologda, Novgorod, Pskov - to begin with.
                        everywhere the same beggar.
                      6. 0
                        5 August 2021 11: 14
                        Quote: atalef

                        Have you been everywhere the same? on all watches

                        You summarize everything in a row, summing up the common denominator "dog life". This generalization is silly and untrue.
                        Kalinin, Vologda, Novgorod, Pskov - to begin with.
                        everywhere the same beggar.

                        Perhaps I will answer you with your own rhetorical method - have you been to all the cities and villages of these regions? Have you visited all the shops?
                        Do you have any help?
                      7. 0
                        6 August 2021 12: 08
                        The glorious city of Tambov, a young lieutenant is a bachelor In meat stores NOTHING, from the word at all, well at least blanched pollock helped out And this is 1981
                    3. +4
                      5 August 2021 00: 42
                      Quote: atalef
                      Kalinin region, city of Nelidovo - 1977 and then there was nothing in stores - except for vodka, bread, gray pasta, juices and canned seaweed, margarine.
                      Milk, sour cream 2 times a week, eggs - not to buy, meat - not at all, vegetables, fruits only the market, no meat a priori, etc. etc.
                      Norms? What the hell are the norms - there were coupons introduced in the early 80s - probably from abundance.

                      I don’t know about your region, until 80 I lived in Uzbekistan, the supply was good, there was meat and food, etc., then we lived in the Krasnodar Territory, the supply was also good.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Ie people worked after work - out of love for art (especially to keep cows laughing) - there was not enough money, and to buy something normal - to overpay at exorbitant prices.

                      Well, cows were always kept in the villages, if you don't know.)))) And after work to do a coven, is it bad if there is an opportunity? And there is never a lot of money. In addition, then there was an 8-hour working day and 2 days off, if you have forgotten, in contrast to the present time.
                      Quote: atalef
                      I will not tell you what salaries and benefits a normal worker or IT has at a good capital enterprise - I assure you that no other enterprise in the USSR has ever had such a word.

                      Don't tell me any nonsense. While in Romania, we communicated well with the FRG-shny Germans and I have an idea of ​​how they lived and what their salaries were for, they could not afford much of what seemed to us commonplace.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Have you lived in the north, have you seen shift workers ?.
                      Dog life.

                      My grandfather was a geologist and he received an apartment from the UBR, there were all shift workers, their life is known to me and it can not be compared with the life of the current shift workers, I have a shift worker, he is a welder.
                      Quote: atalef
                      I am a simple engineer - with 30 years of work experience in an organization like RAO EU - I manage my enterprise, including all benefits, pension contributions, food, clothing, rest in sanatoriums - for the last year -
                      NIS 1270000 per year (we receive a brochure every year for each.
                      Divide by 3.25
                      About 400k bucks.
                      Tell me about the opportunities in the USSR

                      I said a little higher. You'd better tell me why most of the patriots of the current Russian Federation and detractors of the USSR live on the territory of a potential enemy of Russia?
                      PS And tell me, communicate using the pronoun "you", do you lack education or your mother did not teach you good manners as a child?
                      1. -1
                        5 August 2021 06: 18
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I don’t know about your region, until 80 I lived in Uzbekistan, the supply was good, there was meat and food, etc., then we lived in the Krasnodar Territory, the supply was also good.

                        and now what? does it cancel what happened in central Russia?
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Well, cows were always kept in the villages, if you don't know.))

                        in the course of course? did you keep the cow?
                        I doubt that you would have kept it if you had the opportunity to calmly buy a butter milk
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Don't tell me any nonsense. While in Romania, we communicated well with the FRG-shny Germans and I have an idea of ​​how they lived and what their salaries were for, they could not afford much of what seemed to us commonplace.

                        can I have an example? laughing
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        My grandfather was a geologist and he received an apartment from the UBR, there were all shift workers, their life is known to me and it can not be compared with the life of the current shift workers, I have a shift worker, he is a welder.

                        just more canine now than canine then.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I said a little higher. You'd better tell me why most of the patriots of the current Russian Federation and detractors of the USSR live on the territory of a potential enemy of Russia?

                        and who is this potential enemy?
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        PS And tell me, communicate using the pronoun "you", do you lack education or your mother did not teach you good manners as a child?

                        in Hebrew there is no appeal to * you *, 30 years of life left an imprint, I have already written more than once, my appeal not * you * in no way diminishes my degree of respect for my opponent.
                      2. +2
                        6 August 2021 09: 08
                        Quote: atalef
                        in Hebrew there is no reference to * you *

                        Do we communicate in Hebrew?
                        Quote: atalef
                        just more canine now than canine then.

                        Absolutely agree with you.
                        Quote: atalef
                        in the course of course? did you keep the cow?
                        I doubt that you would have kept it if you had the opportunity to calmly buy a butter milk

                        I kept cows, already at this time, in the presence of "milk" in stores.)))) Tell you why? Under the USSR, cows were kept for other reasons than today. Do you want to talk about the collective farms of the USSR? My wife's grandfather was the chairman of the collective farm of a millionaire and a hero of social labor. I can tell you what the collective farm was then and what happened to this place today.

                        Quote: atalef
                        and who is this potential enemy?

                        And Israel is the same for the Russian Federation - a potential enemy, do you disagree with that?
                        Quote: atalef
                        can I have an example?

                        Please tell me which examples you want, I just do not really understand which examples you are waiting for.
                    4. +5
                      5 August 2021 00: 46
                      Quote: atalef
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Would you like to compare the current "free" education and medicine with the Soviet ones?

                      Our ?
                      Don't start.
                      You will feel bad.

                      And what, let's try to compare, I do not mind, do you? Do you really want to try to prove that the current education and medicine is better than the Soviet ones? laughing
                      1. -2
                        5 August 2021 05: 52
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        ? Do you really want to try to prove that the current education and medicine is better than the Soviet ones?

                        Well, firstly, it was about medicine, the USSR and the place where I live - and I live in Israel - do you want to compare?
                        Education - it is difficult to compare - completely different approaches - I think it is necessary to compare not what methodology is taught, but the success of university graduates and the place of universities in the world ranking.
                        Come in - this infa is absolutely open.
                      2. +2
                        6 August 2021 09: 20
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, firstly, it was about medicine, the USSR and the place where I live - and I live in Israel - do you want to compare?

                        Let's go back 30 years and compare? Including the availability of medicine for everyone? And then, as it seemed to me, it was about comparing the USSR and the Russian Federation.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Education - it is difficult to compare - completely different approaches - I think it is necessary to compare not what methodology is taught, but the success of university graduates and the place of universities in the world ranking.

                        I believe that education systems should be compared by the number of discoveries and inventions, and not by and not by absolutely conventional categories, such as "success", as well as by the availability of education for all. Again, do you want to compare Present Israel with the USSR, 30 years ago?
                    5. 0
                      5 August 2021 19: 21
                      RUB 2,300,000 per month!? Even straight, it's really quite bold) Our top managers here probably don't get that much))) And in the State Duma, then homeless people generally work))))))
            3. +11
              4 August 2021 11: 34
              "There was nothing to rip off like that. 90% lived from paycheck to paycheck."

              And now there is something straight to rip off, and from paycheck to paycheck they do not live !?

              Or are they ripped off carefully by choosing only the rich?
              No.
              The approach changed to just rip off at any cost, and I don't care how they live there even without a salary
            4. +7
              4 August 2021 15: 29
              I do not live badly now either. Nevertheless, I think a 300 million country, with a population growth of 2 million people a year, with a powerful army and science, political influence, had a much greater civilizational power than Russia. At the same time, in many aspects, for some reason, everyone is furiously comparing the country of the 30-40 year old model with today's Russia. If you look at the dynamics of the development of the USSR from the 50s to the 80s, then it is incomparable with the current fumbling in shit.
              "There was nothing to rip off like that. 90% lived from paycheck to paycheck" - this is how they live now. excl. young generations, they simply do not breed and live with their parents.
              "free only cheese in a mousetrap." - one of the aspects of the socialist system, about which more than one Talmud has probably been written, was awarded a hackneyed children's phraseological unit.
            5. +1
              6 August 2021 18: 59
              "So there was nothing to rip off. 90% lived from paycheck to salary" is it in the Soviet Union or what ??? Well, the opportunity to earn more ??? What country are you talking about ?? And where do you live if you carry such nonsense ?? Serfdom in Russia now, if you haven't noticed!
          2. +2
            4 August 2021 09: 36
            much was generally free

            Nothing is free. Someone always pays for everything. Even if not directly, but indirectly.
            1. +11
              4 August 2021 10: 41
              Quote: Complaint Book
              Nothing is free. Someone always pays for everything. Even if not directly, but indirectly.

              Yes, of course we know who paid for Deripaska's yacht. He won the cards or just gave them away. No.
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 10: 43
                I'm not talking about Deripaska.
                I doubt that you did not understand what was meant
                1. +8
                  4 August 2021 10: 58
                  Quote: Complaint Book
                  I'm not talking about Deripaska.
                  I doubt that you did not understand what was meant

                  Namely, about the fair distribution of income from the sale of resources. In the USSR there was social justice and people, even disabled people were considered people. And they did not wait for them to die out.
                  1. -1
                    4 August 2021 11: 03
                    At the expense of social justice, "everything is not so simple here."
                    The word "blat" appeared for a reason
                  2. -4
                    4 August 2021 12: 14
                    Under socialism, there was an expression about a person who had a cooperative apartment and a car dressed in the latest fashion: Don't envy, it's just that a person knows how to live! Yes, under socialism it was only possible to be listed at work and have everything. That's what they have now become rich and successful. Some of them even from construction. toilets in suburban areas in the mid-80s began
                  3. -6
                    4 August 2021 16: 06
                    Of course, social justice was in the USSR - when everyone was equally poor and from your real salary of 500, 600, 700 and more rubles you actually earned a month - you were paid only 150 fixed, the rest went to the same social justice for everyone else - in including to help dozens of rogue fellowships for thanks and you live well. - this is the whole planned distribution economy.
        2. +9
          4 August 2021 10: 35
          And you will also compare the quality of products in the USSR and now. For example, the same sausage, cookies, sweets.
          1. -9
            4 August 2021 16: 09
            Expensive, quite high-quality and natural - everyone has a choice according to their own pocket, and perishable products - natural, by definition, cannot be cheap.
          2. -2
            4 August 2021 22: 51
            And you will also compare the quality of products in the USSR and now. For example, the same sausage, cookies, sweets.

            Yes, go to Belarus and compare.
            You can eat food! Only the price of a bulb in Russia is lower ...
            1. 0
              6 August 2021 12: 13
              I am now in Belarus, I do not see the difference in prices with the Russian Federation
              1. 0
                6 August 2021 13: 54
                I am now in Belarus, I do not see the difference in prices with the Russian Federation

                And for what prices are you comparing?
                Have you tried to evaluate the quality?
                1. 0
                  6 August 2021 19: 39
                  Right now I am doing this Sausage Georgievskaya, an analogue of Kraovskaya 12,3, almost 400 in our opinion, Black Prince cheese 15,5, more than 500 Cheese like cheese In cosmetic hand cream, Belarusian 3,3 Hairspray 10,6 Special chic in the markets Turkish consumer goods Well Georgian brandy, 20,3 Well, and where to laugh
      2. +4
        4 August 2021 07: 55
        In the Soviet Union, the situation was no better when the ordinary store manager was something of the elite. Everyone knew everything and did nothing.
        1. -1
          4 August 2021 10: 43
          Quote: Cottodraton
          In the Soviet Union, the situation was no better when the ordinary store manager was something of the elite. Everyone knew everything and did nothing.

          there was always sausage from under the counter for the local party committee ... This is how the bourgeoisie was born
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 11: 22
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: Cottodraton
            In the Soviet Union, the situation was no better when the ordinary store manager was something of the elite. Everyone knew everything and did nothing.

            there was always sausage from under the counter for the local party committee ... This is how the bourgeoisie was born

            What's the manager? Just a seller! Or even a store cleaner, it is clear that she was, as it were, an agent of the manager. (This is how the servants of the bourgeoisie were born)
            1. -2
              4 August 2021 16: 10
              And, of course, most of them were fine with it.
              1. +4
                4 August 2021 16: 14
                Quote: Vadim237
                And, of course, most of them were fine with it.

                I strongly doubt it. Although the manager was just fine.
    2. +21
      4 August 2021 07: 45
      The period of frantic markups will pass. And everyone will forget everything. But it will pass to break out again next time.

      It seems that no one is ruling the country. Everything was left to chance. And no one draws any conclusions from the problems that arise cyclically.

      Our country is generally ruled by someone who can I ask? Well, at least for something?
      1. kin
        +12
        4 August 2021 08: 07
        Why work hard to develop production? As in a fairy tale, money appeared out of thin air. They have not produced anything, but the profit is increasing. Does the state control the mafia on the ground, what price they set for that and will buy, because the alternative has been banned from cars to food.
        Higher prices, more taxes to the budget.
        1. -9
          4 August 2021 16: 12
          The state can only advise private producers - it does not have any right to indicate, especially in terms of prices.
      2. +14
        4 August 2021 10: 06
        Quote: Stas157
        It seems that no one is ruling the country. Everything was left to chance. And no one draws any conclusions from the problems that arise cyclically.

        Comrade, this is just an impression. In fact, the "invisible hand" is very visible in the growth of the state of Russian billionaires during the period of the pandemic and crisis. The aggregate fortune of 40 Russian oligarchs friends of a friend IS EQUAL to the aggregate deposits of all citizens of the Russian Federation on bank deposits !!!
        That is, the state of 40 people = the state of 146.000.000 citizens !!!
        1. +12
          4 August 2021 10: 49
          Quote: Stroporez
          The aggregate fortune of 40 Russian oligarchs friends of a friend IS EQUAL to the aggregate deposits of all citizens of the Russian Federation on bank deposits !!!
          That is, the state of 40 people = the state of 146.000.000 citizens !!!

          hi What do you mean! And the tsar told us that there are no oligarchs in Russia! Where, then, does their wealth grow?
          Growing faster than Bezos: YTD Russian billionaires have increased their fortune by almost $ 40 billion

          https://pasmi.ru/archive/318404/
          1. +3
            4 August 2021 21: 25
            Quote: Stas157
            Where does their wealth grow from then?

            So Rosstat says that that year, the population of the Russian Federation decreased by half a million ... from there ... they steal from the population, resources ..
            1. -1
              4 August 2021 22: 54
              So Rosstat says that that year, the population of the Russian Federation decreased by half a million.

              Of these, 1.200 are pensioners ...
        2. +4
          4 August 2021 11: 32
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: Stas157
          ..... the impression that the country is not governed by anyone. Everything is left to chance ........ t.

          .... The "invisible hand" is very visible in the growth of the state of Russian billionaires during the period of the pandemic and crisis. The aggregate fortune of 40 Russian oligarchs as friends of a friend IS EQUAL ... ... the deposits of all citizens of the Russian Federation on bank deposits !!! ..... the fortune of 40 people = the fortune of 146.000.000 citizens !!!

          I remember a long time ago, naive,
          ....... the market will put everything in its place ...
          Perhaps it was some kind of ideal market. People under the USSR did not think that in the capitalist market all their places would be for the bourgeoisie.
          1. Aag
            +1
            5 August 2021 17: 46
            "... I remember a long time ago, naive,
            ....... the market will put everything in its place ...
            Perhaps it was some kind of ideal market. People under the USSR did not think that in the capitalist market all their places would be for the bourgeoisie .... "
            ... Colleague, in this context you almost correctly wrote - "will resolve"!))). Write "will take away", - a lot will become clear!
            hi
            1. +1
              5 August 2021 20: 10
              laughing unfortunately, sometimes I write in transport, request get messy hi
              1. Aag
                +1
                5 August 2021 20: 45
                This time it turned out very well! hi
                1. +1
                  5 August 2021 21: 00
                  Quote: AAG
                  This time it turned out very well! hi

                  Or maybe completely unsuccessful smile will
        3. -10
          4 August 2021 16: 16
          The aggregate fortune of 40 Russian oligarchs friends of a friend IS EQUAL to the aggregate deposits of all citizens of the Russian Federation on bank deposits !!! And nothing that the fortune of billionaires - 90% of the estimated market value of their movable and immovable property is not money in your pocket but at home equipment ships planes cars things, etc. - and deposits from citizens are money lying in the bank - do you catch the difference?
          1. +9
            4 August 2021 18: 00
            Quote: Vadim237
            And nothing that the fortune of billionaires is 90% of the estimated market value of their movable and immovable property it's not money in your pocket and at home, equipment, ships, planes, cars, things, etc. - and deposits from citizens are money lying in the bank - do you catch the difference?

            In your opinion - houses, ships, planes, factories ... have no value or what? Can't they be sold and turned into money?

            Did you know that Russian enterprises trading on the stock market are greatly underestimated (due to sanctions, including)? Therefore, our oligarchs, in fact, are much richer! Do you know that stocks can be converted into money with a click of a finger on the mouse? Are you familiar with the computer at all?)) Judging by your comment, it looks like no.
      3. +10
        4 August 2021 10: 45
        Quote: Stas157
        Our country is generally ruled by someone who can I ask? Well, at least for something?

        Our Constitution declares freedom of enterprise and the protection of private property rights. The more property, the more rights. smile
        1. +10
          4 August 2021 10: 55
          Quote: aybolyt678
          The more property, the more rights.

          Exactly. And if you are at the very top, then you can not give a damn about the Constitution, correct or self-zero.
      4. +3
        4 August 2021 12: 16
        The fact that you have this question does not in itself require an additional answer.
      5. +5
        4 August 2021 21: 22
        Quote: Stas157
        Our country is generally ruled by someone who can I ask? Well, at least for something?

        Stas is controlled, but not the country, but "friends", they are good with a fork and a knife ... they are already eating up Russia ..
        You can't ask ... because there is no one from whom, the one who is the guarantor, turned out to be not at all a guarantor and asked to treat with understanding .. and he does not give up his friends ... because he does not think about Russia, but about his security ..
    3. +11
      4 August 2021 08: 34
      Everything is much simpler. If we talk about Russian products, which suddenly rose in price, then two factors are to blame for the rise in price: 1- the state helped manufacturers with certification in international markets, remember how government officials boasted about this a year ago? accordingly, the products were taken to a place where they could be sold at a higher price. 2- sellers have equalized the domestic prices in Russia with the "average European" ones, so as not to lose money on the domestic market. If we talk about imported products, then there is one factor in the rise in price: 1- products have risen in price on the world market due to a decrease in their production due to coronavirus. Is this good or bad? Everything would not be so bad if it were not for the beggarly salaries of the majority of Russians. Agree, Putin's "middle class" starting with a salary of $ 250 a month has very little freedom to maneuver with its funds, and God forbid a mortgage? State officials and their servants, in principle, do not care about this increase, because they are indexed wages by the amount of inflation 2 times a year.
      1. +13
        4 August 2021 08: 59
        Quote: Snail N9
        Everything would not be so bad if it were not for the beggarly salaries of the majority of Russians. Agree, Putin's "middle class" starting with a salary of $ 250 a month has very little freedom to maneuver its funds, and God forbid a mortgage?

        hi I totally agree. The success of Putin's rule is supported by low domestic prices for basic products. For milk, eggs, meat and borsch set. Everything that makes up an uncomplicated dietary set of a poor average Russian.

        This circumstance gave the right to assert that there are no hungry people in Russia (in spite of poverty) in general. But look what negative effect the rise in price of a simple carrot had, which in Europe (or the USA), with their high salaries, would simply not have been noticed.
        1. +18
          4 August 2021 09: 50
          The welfare of citizens is now measured by the "borscht set".
          Cabbage, carrots, beets and potatoes, everything you need for a healthy diet, yeah.
          And young and old, from top to bottom, have picked up this flawed term "borscht set" and are trying to keep it up.
          The availability of a borsch set is the availability of a beggarly diet. And the goblin would be with them, bosses of various kinds, who consider a certain level of prosperity the cost of pig soup for the subordinate population, they have not considered the population for people for a long time. It is disheartening that the population itself in serious schools is discussing this set as a measure of its prosperity.
          We don't respect ourselves, but for some reason we expect respect from the boyars.
          Soryan for emotions
          1. +8
            4 August 2021 11: 47
            the term "borscht set" vividly reflects great power, breakthrough, breakthrough
            1. +2
              4 August 2021 21: 33
              Quote: Revival
              the term "borscht set" vividly reflects great power, breakthrough, breakthrough

              Without a "borscht set" you can't get off your knees .. and you have refreshed yourself .. that's all .. you stand at full height and are proud of the great nullified helmsmen
          2. 0
            4 August 2021 12: 19
            "The welfare of citizens is now measured with a borsch set."

            Citizens are not measured, but everything else under different names is quite.

            How will they grow to citizens, then it will be possible to discuss.
            In the meantime ...
            In the meantime, everything deserves it right
        2. +6
          4 August 2021 16: 51
          Quote: Stas157
          there are generally no hungry people in Russia (despite the poverty).

          earlier 10 years ago it was fashionable to measure the prosperity of the population at the cost of the New Year's table. now they have not switched to borscht from a simple one, then they will switch to a doshirak basket))
          shame of course.
          I met interesting statistics - For six months of 2021, not a single apartment in new buildings was sold in seven regions of Russia. On July 31, RBC reported about this with reference to the data of the State Register .... the middle class is shrinking then
        3. +3
          4 August 2021 21: 30
          Quote: Stas157
          This circumstance gave the right to assert that there are no hungry people in Russia (despite the poverty), in general.

          There are hungry and many, they are called homeless and do not get into the statistics .. but those who are malnourished, perhaps 30 percent of the population. I mean, they don't eat as they should, but as they have to .. let's say they practically don't eat beef and fish .. not to mention nuts .. and these are the healthiest foods .. But stability can be seen soon will result in a hunger riot .. as I actually predicted that the 90s are near, five years ago .. well, now they are very close .. I think in two years it will be worse than in the 90s.
      2. +12
        4 August 2021 09: 26
        Quote: Snail N9
        2- sellers have equalized the domestic prices in Russia with the "average European" ones, so as not to lose money on the domestic market.

        That is exactly the sellers, and who grows they sell for a penny. For example, onions, the manufacturer sells for 8-10 rubles (this is the official figure), and businessmen are already selling from 40 rubles. and higher, that's the difference, and for all vegetables. Here we need laws that oblige to sell all products manufactured in Russia, for example, no more than 100-150% of the cost price. This means onions grown at a cost of 4-6 rubles. cannot reach the end consumer and be more expensive than 10-14 rubles, as an example.
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 11: 50
          "Here we need laws that oblige us to sell all products manufactured in Russia, for example, no more than 100-150% of the cost price."

          Who needs it?
          To those who sell?
          No.

          Maybe the population?
          Who are they?
          How did they deserve it?
          Nothing.
          And the opposite is just deserved.
        2. 0
          4 August 2021 15: 10
          Quote: Achilles
          Here we need laws that obliged to sell all products manufactured in Russia, for example, no higher than 100-150%

          it's unconstitutional! this will entail the organization of a cartel agreement between buyers and sellers. What is needed is not laws, but conditions.
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 22: 57
            What is needed is not laws, but conditions.

            It is necessary to hang and shoot!
            China to help us! Learn, gentlemen !!!
            1. +1
              5 August 2021 06: 01
              Quote: VIK1711
              It is necessary to hang and shoot!

              before hanging, you need a clear Goal, and the Path to it and clear rules of the game ...
        3. -3
          4 August 2021 16: 27
          "Here we need laws that obliged to sell all products produced in Russia, for example, no more than 100-150% of the cost price. This means onions grown at a cost price of 4-6 rubles. Cannot reach the end consumer and be more expensive than 10-14 rubles., As an example." ... This is already a direct intervention of the state in private production and similar pricing has already been carried out in Venezuela, thereby bringing down the economy and production because all the production workers have been thrown out of the country since no one will produce and trade products below its cost or at zero profit, and now they have most of the shelves are empty, crazy inflation, and a roll of toilette costs 500 rubles for our money.
          1. -1
            4 August 2021 19: 04
            Quote: Vadim237
            Here we need laws that oblige to sell all products manufactured in Russia, for example, no more than 100-150% of the cost price.

            we need not laws, but conditions, the main of which is a decoupling from the dollar
      3. +8
        4 August 2021 09: 59
        Quote: Snail N9
        If we talk about Russian products, which suddenly rose in price, then two factors are to blame for the rise in price: 1- the state helped manufacturers with certification in international markets, remember how government officials boasted about this a year ago? accordingly, the products were taken to a place where they could be sold at a higher price. 2- sellers have equalized the domestic prices in Russia with the "average European" ones, so as not to lose money on the domestic market.

        Comrade, here you are not entirely right. The rise in the price of products occurred, first of all, due to the monopolization of agricultural production (miratorg, as an example), from the lack of competition with imports due to counter. sanctions and from the greed of retail. It must be admitted that the market for vegetables and fruits at fairs and "collective farm markets" has been captured by the Azerbaijani and Middle Asian diasporas.
        In general, outbidding of all stripes rules, and the direct producers from the plow, as they received their 10 hazel grouses per kilo of carrots in the wholesale, are still receiving today. Only the state regulators are silent, or rather they are not silent, but pretend that they are trying to rectify the situation and kick the world market, in a word, rave.
        Now they have invented a new term "borscht set", from which it stinks of "negative growth of the fall", "middle 17 thousandth class", etc.
      4. -7
        4 August 2021 12: 21
        Quote: Snail N9
        State officials and their servants, in principle, do not care about this increase, because they are indexed wages by the amount of inflation 2 times a year.

        Lies ... This is not foreseen for the 79-fz officials ...
        Once a year, and this indexation was frozen for several years. Moreover, only the official inflation rate is indexed. My example has grown by 1 rubles over the past year.
        And so for 99% of officials, large salaries start from the deputy minister
        1. -2
          4 August 2021 22: 45
          Quote: your1970
          Quote: Snail N9
          State officials and their servants, in principle, do not care about this increase, because they are indexed wages by the amount of inflation 2 times a year.

          Lies ... This is not foreseen for the 79-fz officials ...
          Once a year, and this indexation was frozen for several years. Moreover, only the official inflation rate is indexed. My example has grown by 1 rubles over the past year.
          And so for 99% of officials, large salaries start from the deputy minister

          Gentlemen minusers - at least minus yourself, nothing will change from this. Once again - Salary increases by OFFICIAL inflation (3-4%) minus income = 98 rubles
          so the law says, alas ..
          1. 0
            5 August 2021 16: 52
            Salary increases by the amount of OFFICIAL inflation (3-4%) minus income = 98 rubles

            Do you want to say that your salary is less than 3 thousand rubles?
            1. +1
              5 August 2021 22: 46
              Quote: A vile skeptic
              Salary increases by the amount of OFFICIAL inflation (3-4%) minus income = 98 rubles

              Do you want to say that your salary is less than 3 thousand rubles?
              - 4, the salary of a leading specialist - an expert ... Moreover, there is a decree determining the official salaries of all civil servants
              Salary + length of service + rank + bonuses = 340 per year ...
              And this is a lot for middle-level officials, and for those with a category in general, 12 per month.
              Where there is no corruption component, there are always vacancies ... In big cities there are more awards - otherwise there would be no one left
              On the offsites of all government agencies in the section "Personnel work or" fight against corruption "there is information about the income of all civil servants of the body for the previous year ...

              Quote: AAG
              The number of minuses you received characterizes the attitude of citizens towards government officials.
              - you have been with civil servants all interactions through the MFC touched a long time ago.
              Moreover, I am going very big reductions - real reductions ...
              For example, out of 36 regional departments, we have 5 left.
              180 people went outside. Moreover, this affected not only the lower classes, but also the regional level was cut strongly.
              Does it make it easier for citizens? Directly - no, there was a problem that they simply had no one to go to to consult on complex issues.
              The state is moving at an accelerated pace towards digitalization and the complete exclusion of contact between an official and a citizen. A complaint, for example, will now be under 248-FZ on paper so far, but in a year only through state services and immediately to the regional level

              Z. Y.
              Quote: AAG
              Well, maybe for the nickname ("YOUR ...") they added, seeing in this uh ... hypocrisy, or something ...)))

              Should we rename it to "Cursed bureaucrat !!!"? No question ... lol
          2. Aag
            +1
            5 August 2021 18: 14
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: Snail N9
            State officials and their servants, in principle, do not care about this increase, because they are indexed wages by the amount of inflation 2 times a year.

            Lies ... This is not foreseen for the 79-fz officials ...
            Once a year, and this indexation was frozen for several years. Moreover, only the official inflation rate is indexed. My example has grown by 1 rubles over the past year.
            And so for 99% of officials, large salaries start from the deputy minister

            Gentlemen minusers - at least minus yourself, nothing will change from this. Once again - Salary increases by OFFICIAL inflation (3-4%) minus income = 98 rubles
            so the law says, alas ..

            I think it's not about the size of indexations ... The number of minuses you received characterizes the attitude of citizens towards government officials.
            Well, maybe for the nickname ("YOUR ...") they added, seeing in this uh ... hypocrisy, or something ...)))
    4. +7
      4 August 2021 11: 14
      A. Blok wrote in the 19th century:

      In the neighboring house the windows are zsolty.
      In the evenings - in the evenings
      Brooding bolts creak
      People are approaching the gate.
      And the gates are deafly locked,
      And on the wall - and on the wall
      Immobile someone, black someone
      He counts people in silence.
      I hear everything from my top:
      He calls with a brass voice
      Bend over exhausted backs
      The people gathered below.
      They will come in and scatter
      Pile coolies on their backs.
      And in the yellow windows they will laugh
      That these beggars were led away.

      The measures to keep prices that EDRO promises to us look like a mockery: they declare that they will achieve lower prices for vegetables by the end of August - as if the seasonal decline would not happen without their participation. But a twist: EDRO says it will reduce purchase prices for vegetables! Meanwhile, most farmers give the same carrots to wholesalers at 20 rubles / kg.This means that in order to have an average monthly income of 20 thousand rubles, a farmer must grow and sell 12 tons of carrots - and this is not counting transportation costs. fertilizers, fuel and taxes.
      The state follows the lead of large agricultural holdings and retail chains, allowing monstrous cheating, and killing those who are at the very bottom, i.e. the actual producer. And how many manufacturers do we have? The most widespread professions are salesmen, security guards and blowers.
      1. -3
        4 August 2021 16: 34
        And how many manufacturers do we have? There are quite a few 54000 large and medium-sized enterprises and 600000 small and micro-enterprises in all areas, including agricultural enterprises, and this is not counting almost 7 million individual entrepreneurs, some of them are engaged in individual production.
    5. +4
      4 August 2021 11: 23
      Why not.
      There is no reason not to do this ...

      Because:
      "Such boorish behavior of car dealers and indulgence on the part of the manufacturer has no response from the outside."
  2. +22
    4 August 2021 04: 57
    The so-called "borscht set" has risen in price by several tens of percent.
    But the aforementioned Rosstat arrived in the Khabarovsk Territory, studied the situation, and said - you can't drive a wave! Your inflation is normal, in general. Go at the planned six percent. So what if carrots with cabbage have risen in price more? But household appliances did not rise in price at all, and smartphones generally became cheaper. If you put everything in a heap, and then divide it, then that same six percent will turn out, well, what are you really?
    Then I scratched my turnips for a week, remembering how many times a year I buy smartphones, and how many times a year - potatoes. It turned out that potatoes are still more common. At Rosstat, presumably, the opposite is happening.
    1. +11
      4 August 2021 05: 12
      "At the planned six percent you go"

      Even in these official percentages, there is absolutely nothing good, salaries can only dream of such an increase. As a result, every trip to the store becomes a quest - find a cheaper product ..
      1. +14
        4 August 2021 05: 15
        Even in these official percentages, there is absolutely nothing good.
        Well, the adherents of the market economy assure that it is inflation that pushes the economy to growth ... And you can't convince them in any way.
      2. +15
        4 August 2021 08: 02
        Food, cars, new buildings, building materials, rent ... everything went up (except for salaries). Something is strong, something is not very. Meanwhile, the fabulous Rosstat reported a record growth in the real incomes of Russians!

        So, there is nothing to whine, your nose is higher, read the correct news and watch the box!

        https://www.forbes.ru/finansy-i-investicii/436065-rosstat-soobshchil-o-rekordnom-roste-realnyh-dohodov-rossiyan-posle-goda
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 08: 33
          Food, cars, new buildings, building materials, rent ... everything went up (except for salaries). Something is strong, something is not very. Meanwhile, the fabulous Rosstat reported a record growth in the real incomes of Russians!


          Well, there is just a lie, and there are statistics.
          The economic power in the country belongs to the banking oligarchy.
          What makes up bank profits?
          I will answer, from interest on loans and mortgages. It will simply be unprofitable for banks if citizens' incomes increase and they refuse loans. Yes, the cult of consumption is also implanted by advertising, serials and other folk and Khabensky accordions.
          Therefore, there will be no growth in prosperity in the country. They will keep us in a black body, in a credit tone.
          1. -4
            4 August 2021 16: 42
            "I will answer, from interest on loans and mortgages. It will simply be unprofitable for banks if the incomes of citizens increase." everything else, the higher the salary - the greater the amount of the approved loan. Banks need growing money turnovers and growing profits from these turnovers - this will not happen with the poor population and the same with a sluggishly growing economy.
            1. +5
              4 August 2021 16: 43
              Everything is interconnected for banks, it is just profitable that the population's incomes grow as well as the economy grows - more wages, more consumption, more loans for infrastructure production, and everything else, the higher the salary - the greater the amount of the approved loan. Banks need growing money turnovers and growing profits from these turnovers - this will not happen with the poor population and the same with a sluggishly growing economy.


              Which country is this? Our GDP is not growing due to the low level of consumption, and purchases on credit and mortgages are not included in GDP. Banks in Russia invest only in housing construction. You are surely a lover of loans.
    2. +10
      4 August 2021 05: 41
      I absolutely agree with you! You have described a classic discussion between that arises even here - on the margins of the Internet.
      How many times have I said that if such a policy (both external and internal) continues, it will not get better. He reminded of the growth in the number of low-income people.
      And my opponent:
      "... I looked out the window - there are completely new cars in the yard. What kind of Russia do you live in?" ...
      It's good if his window is on Rublevka. And if you look out from the balcony 200 kilometers from Moscow?
      1. +16
        4 August 2021 06: 56
        But it is better not to look out. The impression is that those who are satisfied with the state of affairs to the squeal of a piglet do this. No, well, if they are covered in chocolate, unlike the bulk of the population, then everything is clear with them and there are no questions for them. those who are not in the chocolate and not in the trough with their own skin feel both how “everything is fine” with us and “inflation of 6%”.
      2. 0
        4 August 2021 08: 28
        400 km from Moscow, a new microdistrict, there is nowhere to park ... But I perfectly understand, 90 percent of the parked is credit and prchsa, and many simply do not think about how then ...
        1. +10
          4 August 2021 10: 01
          nowhere to park ...

          You reason in old, one might say, ancient categories. When Lada was a sign of good prosperity, prosperity, and the Volga was a sign of wealth.
          Since then, 30-40 years have passed. A car like a classic is a means of transportation (excluding all kinds of premiums and the like).
          About 15 years ago, a smartphone was a sign of well-being, but now it is quite an ordinary thing. And three TV boxes in the apartment - the same.
          By the way, the average age of cars, if you exclude megacities, will show an extremely sad figure.
        2. 0
          6 August 2021 12: 18
          This is from the stupidity and greed of the local leadership. Instead of organizing a parking space, they make a new house, they will break off for themselves. A fire, an ambulance.?
      3. +12
        4 August 2021 09: 41
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And my opponent:
        "... I looked out the window - completely new car in the yard stand. What kind of Russia do you live in? "

        More about full carts in hypermarkets they like to yell, forgetting that the average check of a Russian is prohibitively low of 500-600 rubles. Less than $ 10! Uryakalki poke only at the visible (small) upper part of the iceberg, forgetting about the army of old women (and not only) with baskets.
        And how many of those hypermarkets disappeared and went bankrupt as a result of the low purchasing power of Russians! And do not count.
        1. -5
          4 August 2021 16: 54
          "They also like to shout about full carts in hypermarkets, forgetting that the average check of a Russian is prohibitively low of 500-600 rubles." And who counted it? 500 - 600 rubles, this is similar to the cost of booze and smoke, which men drive around the country every day.
          And how many of those hypermarkets disappeared and went bankrupt as a result of the low purchasing power of Russians! And do not count. I do not know what you closed there, but every year there are more and more supermarkets along the way Moscow - Volgograd - Astrakhan from my observations.
          1. 0
            5 August 2021 10: 19
            Quote: Vadim237
            I don’t know what was closed there, but there are more and more supermarkets every year.

            In 2020 alone, 70 hypermarkets were closed in Russia. And this is not a little for such huge and expensive stores. This is not even a store, but a whole factory for the delivery of goods to the population. Germans Metro, which has suffered losses for a year. See the methodology for calculating the average check yourself on the Internet. Everything is.

            The largest hypermarkets are closed throughout Russia It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/other/43478193/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

            War for the Poor: why hypermarkets began to close in Russia... News. https://newizv.ru/article/general/28-01-2020/voyna-za-bednyh-pochemu-v-rossii-nachali-zakryvatsya-gipermarkety

            Hypermarket chains Auchan, Lenta, Magnit, Karusel are closed in Russia
            https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5df7f75973034b00ae244a42/v-rossii-zakryvaiutsia-seti-gipermarketov-ashan-lenta-magnit-karusel-5e1b736142b03d00afa4f424

            The largest hypermarkets are closed throughout Russia https://sozero.livejournal.com/5732349.html

            Auchan, Karusel and Lenta are closing hypermarkets across the country
            https://lenta.r76.su/news/890
      4. +2
        4 August 2021 10: 39
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And my opponent:
        "... I looked out the window - there are completely new cars in the yard. What kind of Russia do you live in?" ...
        It's good if his window is on Rublevka. And if you look out from the balcony 200 kilometers from Moscow?

        About 90% of all cars are bought on credit. When lending to car dealerships, I offer a lower price for a car from 200 tyr to 1 lama (in the expensive segment), hence the demand grows, respectively, cars become more expensive.
        PySy. and the article is so-so. lol
        1. +6
          4 August 2021 11: 07
          Quote: Stroporez
          About 90% of all cars are bought on credit.

          I will add. Even in Russia, the average age of a car is high. And the demand for new cars is shifted towards the most budgetary ones. We buy not what we want, and what is better, but what is cheaper. A little more expensive is no longer affordable for the majority. But about this, screamers about cars in the yards, prefer to remain silent.
    3. +12
      4 August 2021 08: 04
      Then I scratched my turnips for a week, remembering how many times a year I buy smartphones
      And that smartphones can be eaten like potatoes? smile
      1. +12
        4 August 2021 09: 22
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        Then I scratched my turnips for a week, remembering how many times a year I buy smartphones
        And that smartphones can be eaten like potatoes? smile

        What do you mean !!! Do you know what kind of rich broth is obtained !!! Better than pork shank)))) wink
        1. +7
          4 August 2021 10: 29
          Season with crushed pearls, sprinkle with diamond powder ... laughing
      2. Aag
        0
        5 August 2021 18: 26
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        Then I scratched my turnips for a week, remembering how many times a year I buy smartphones
        And that smartphones can be eaten like potatoes? smile

        ... You can see how others eat it at any time convenient for you (if you have a paid connection) ...
  3. +18
    4 August 2021 05: 03
    In our country, by the way, processors for cars are not produced at all.
    So this is normal, as they often write here, it is not necessary to produce everything in the country, and prices are growing everywhere, although I don’t remember that they would have decreased in our country over the past 30 years.
    1. +23
      4 August 2021 05: 41
      No one remembers, not only you .. And they write here (about the zombie box, I’m already silent) really often: that all the rules, which we don’t do ourselves, we will buy, and in general "everything is fine, beautiful marquise. Everything is good, everything is good", It is as if we are being held for completely naive deaf-blind-mute, who themselves do not see what is happening in the country with prices and inflation.
      1. +20
        4 August 2021 05: 47
        [b
        ] "all is well, lovely marquise. all is well, all is well"
        [/b] .. Yeah, another favorite phrase of the likes: "Stop whining, agents of the State Department" laughing
        1. +19
          4 August 2021 06: 50
          "Stop whining, agents of the State Department"
          “Go to work!” True, lately there have been fewer and fewer such shouts, it is evident that they have understood that now is not Soviet times and that there are no “required” plates at every step of the factories, as well as many factories themselves.
      2. -11
        4 August 2021 16: 57
        To produce everything is unprofitable, alas - and you can want anything - wanting is not harmful, not costly and not risky.
    2. 0
      4 August 2021 06: 31
      Quote: parusnik
      And prices are going up everywhere.

      it is true, prices are rising all over the world and is simply unrealistic and inexplicable. building materials. products - everything.
      1. +10
        4 August 2021 06: 35
        All liberals do this, all sorts of agents, 30 years how to live peacefully laughing
      2. +9
        4 August 2021 08: 16
        Quote: atalef
        prices are rising all over the world and it is simply unrealistic and inexplicably

        How inexplicable is this? The dollar is losing purchasing power. Dollar inflation. Due to the fact that the Americans turned on the machine faster for the release of green paper.

        There is really one place where dollar prices have no effect!
        Well, this, the Russian president, called the ruble zone when he was surprised at the jump in prices.
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 14: 20
          Quote: Stas157
          How inexplicable is this? The dollar is losing purchasing power. Dollar inflation. Due to the fact that the Americans turned on the machine faster for the release of green paper.

          no. just apparently the demand.
          Quote: Stas157
          Due to the fact that the Americans turned on the machine faster for the release of green paper.

          look at the statistics of the dollar, regular inflation - nothing special
          1. +4
            4 August 2021 17: 45
            Quote: atalef
            look the statistics of the dollar is normal inflation - nothing special

            That's just the point - I looked. If you were trading the dollar, you would know that the printing press was turned on, and there is inflation.

            Dollar inflation:
            2014 - 0,76%
            2015 - 0,73%
            2016 - 2,07%
            2017 - 2,11%
            2018 - 1,91%
            2019 - 2,28%
            2020 - 1,36%
            June 2021 - 5,4% (maximum since August 2008)

            Yes, she is outrageous!
            http://global-finances.ru/inflyacziya-v-ssha-po-godam/
      3. 0
        4 August 2021 08: 49
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: parusnik
        And prices are going up everywhere.

        it is true, prices are rising all over the world and is simply unrealistic and inexplicable. building materials. products - everything.

        Hi San, I think the problem is in free savings due to the pandemic, who has more, who has less, banks have calculated savings, plus printing presses, and prices have skyrocketed, car apartments, the same shfarma (shawarma) almost doubled from last year, fruits not really expensive, but people buy
  4. +13
    4 August 2021 05: 17
    A planned economy is wrong, a market economy is unpredictable ... Where do you need to live?
    1. -13
      4 August 2021 07: 31
      Quote: Plufik
      A planned economy is wrong, a market economy is unpredictable.

      Plan - a sequence of actions to achieve the set goals.
      Market - a way to achieve the goals of the plan.
      You, and not only you, are trying to compare wet to square.

      According to the article.
      Usually, before the elections, the people are handed out buns, but here ... The rise in prices is primarily due to the West's desire to arrange a Maidan in Russia. About the past: revolution - grain riots, perestroika - empty shelves.

      Quote: Plufik
      Where do you need to live?

      In Russia.
      1. kin
        +9
        4 August 2021 08: 13
        Quote: Boris55
        The rise in prices is primarily due to the wishes of the West to arrange a Maidan in Russia.

        Think small, take it higher - aliens ...
      2. +18
        4 August 2021 08: 23
        Quote: Boris55
        The rise in prices is primarily due to the wishes of the West to arrange a Maidan in Russia

        Well yes. As always. The State Department is to blame for everything. laughing This is all he, damned. And he forces the Chinese to sell the timber, having hammered in the requests of the Russian consumer, and he also strangled the small seller. You know, last week I had to ride in non-rubber. Well, I stopped at the Domodedovo grocery market. For most positions, the difference in price with grids is from 30 to 300%. For example, absolutely the same quiche-mish 70 on the market, versus 128 in a magnet. The cheapest tomatoes are 40, against 78. True, I could not find such nasty ones as Magnet's at 78. I honestly and diligently tried, went through all the rows, but I never found such a *****. Yes Do you understand the delusional situation? The small trader makes nets both in quality and in price. Although it should be strictly the opposite. But then yes. The State Department is solely to blame for the fact that the small seller and manufacturer were destroyed by 80-90 percent. laughing
        Quote: Boris55
        About the past: revolution - grain riots, perestroika - empty shelves.

        Ugums. And to drive the same sugar and flour, in 1916, to "neutral" Sweden, and what they did not manage to take out and remained at home - to hold back, waiting for a "fair" price, forced the collective west, and we ourselves are entirely d'artagnans. Yes
        The problem is not in the west. The problem is that at the top we have lawyers and former political officers. And not a single peasant. Who could explain to the respectable public that if the cow was only milked, without even trying, at least occasionally, to throw the feed, then this cow would die. So they milk, wondering - why, she gives less and less milk, we have already started the milking machine for 25 hours a day. Yes
        1. -15
          4 August 2021 08: 38
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Well yes. As always. The State Department is to blame for everything. laughing It's all he damned.

          In the 90s, the State Department appointed us oligarchs and smaller officials. It is a fact. So they rule, though the siloviki do not give them full swing.

          Quote: Lannan Shi
          The problem is not in the west. The problem is that at the top we have lawyers and former political officers.

          My answer is above about the 90s.

          Quote: Lannan Shi
          And to drive the same sugar and flour, in 1916, to "neutral" Sweden,

          The shortage in St. Petersburg was purposefully organized. Food trains were not allowed. The same goes for empty shelves in the 90s. Warehouses burst and the counters were empty. But then about 10 years old grandmothers were selling canned food before perestroika.

          They want to repeat the same thing again.
          1. +16
            4 August 2021 08: 57
            Quote: Boris55
            In the 90s, the State Department appointed us oligarchs and smaller officials. It is a fact.

            It's easy for me to throw pictures. With crowds screaming - Eltsin will come, bring happiness. Or with fighters shooting the White House. And you will show me where the mysterious State Department is in those pictures. Huh?
            Quote: Boris55
            Food trains were not allowed.

            The railway, by the winter of 1916-17, stupidly collapsed. Reducing the throughput by about a third. Oddly enough, a billion in gold, drunk in Parisian taverns. and lost in Austrian casinos, only in 1901-1913, for some reason it did not strengthen. laughing But so yes. They did not let them through, giving priority to military traffic. It’s even strange, and why did they decide to carry replenishment and equipment to the front. lol But on the whole you are right. The fact that they drank a yard in gold, walked in Badens and Montecarls (and once in 5-10 more houses they drank), and not in a piece of iron, for example, invested, is solely to blame for the West. And the requests of the then Mordashovs for a beautiful life are not in business here. laughing
            PS
            By the way. Now the picture is one to one since 1914. God forbid what kind of conflict, a caliber slightly larger than Syria, and where we will have to get in, and the economy will crumble even faster than 100 years ago. And the tension a la the Great Patriotic ... I'm afraid here the margin of safety will have to be calculated not in years, and not in months, but in weeks. Best case scenario. Yeah.
          2. +15
            4 August 2021 10: 29
            Quote: Boris55
            In the 90s, the State Department appointed us oligarchs and smaller officials. It is a fact. So they rule, though the siloviki do not give them full swing.

            Boris, what an interesting life in your world under a foil hat good
            1. +3
              4 August 2021 21: 36
              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: Boris55
              In the 90s, the State Department appointed us oligarchs and smaller officials. It is a fact. So they rule, though the siloviki do not give them full swing.

              Boris, what an interesting life in your world under a foil hat good

              hi There is a cast-iron basin ... the foil cap should already be torn ...
    2. -7
      4 August 2021 17: 01
      Planned distributive economy - constant shortage of population equally poor market with market business planning stratification of the population there is a lot of money for goods - but you can get goods, but when there is no goods and there is no place for them - you will not be full of money when there is nothing to buy with them.
  5. +5
    4 August 2021 05: 34
    Putinomics ...
    1. +13
      4 August 2021 09: 01
      "Boris" again started his hurdy-gurdy about the powerful oligarchs imposed on us by the insidious "West". The truth is modestly silent that all these oligarchs, for some reason, are either friends of "Zeroed" or friends of his friends. In Russia, it was the former black-marketeers who came to power together with the security officials who protected them. That is why all these people are not capable of creating, but can only sell and resell, and stuff like "earned" in every possible way in "money boxes". They perceive the population of Russia as nothing more than "suckers", "second oil". A clan, theocratic state has been built in Russia, which is moving towards building a caste society, based on new technologies of control and management. Who cares about how all the famous characters actually came to power in Russia, how they got their powers or wealth, how they are interconnected, etc., watch the Rat Kingdom series on YouTube .... Yes
  6. +11
    4 August 2021 05: 57
    The seasonal surge in borscht is finally over. But the madness with building materials is in full swing.
    1. +12
      4 August 2021 06: 23
      Quote: samarin1969
      The seasonal surge in borscht is finally over.

      If producers of agricultural products could freely trade in the markets without any intermediaries and resellers, as it was during the USSR, then there would be no such rise in prices for vegetables.
      1. -3
        4 August 2021 06: 39
        Quote: Egoza
        If producers of agricultural products could freely trade in the markets without any intermediaries and resellers, as it was under the USSR, then there would not be such a rise in vegetable prices.

        I wonder where the manufacturers would store all this? When would they work - while in the market? Transportation, etc., etc.
        Mediators have always been and will be beneficial to all parties.
        under the USSR, the same were intermediaries and dealers. There were fruit and vegetable bases - have you heard that? There were Zagotzerno - actually resellers of agricultural products, then selling them to retail chains or to processors.
        1. +15
          4 August 2021 06: 57
          Quote: atalef
          There were fruit and vegetable bases - have you heard that? There were Zagotzerno - actually resellers of agricultural products, then selling them to retail chains or to processors.

          Don't confuse government storage with the market. For example, I remember how trucks from collective farms came to an ordinary city bazaar and sold: cucumbers - 6 kopecks, tomatoes - 12 kopecks, potatoes, beets, etc. and snapped up in the summer season in years. For a day or two, all the housewives bought up. I'm not talking about apples, pears and other fruits.
          1. -7
            4 August 2021 07: 07
            Quote: Egoza
            Don't confuse government storage with the market

            they were classical intermediaries, shopping malls, they bought agricultural products from collective and state farms and sold them further (of course, with a surcharge) - what is the difference from today's dealers? only in one - now there are heaps of agricultural products in stores and all kinds of things. and under the USSR we know very well what was in the grocery stores.
            Quote: Egoza
            For example, I remember how trucks from collective farms came to an ordinary city bazaar and sold: cucumbers - 6 kopecks,

            in the season (a couple of months). and not in season? They just weren't there or
            for New Year's Eve Hungarian or Bulgarian in cellophane at exorbitant prices.

            Quote: Egoza
            and snapped up in the summer season in years. For a day or two, all the housewives bought up.

            correctly and stored (maybe in winter. in the spring it was not possible to buy). Or they themselves grew (hunching over in the gardens after work.
            I don’t want - I want it like now - I came and bought as much as I needed and when I needed it. I don’t want to hunch back in the garden. I do not want to stand in lines. I do not want to choose rotten potatoes in the vegetable departments. and the smell of rotten onions is still in front of my eyes.
            I want it as it is now - I went and bought it.
        2. kin
          +7
          4 August 2021 08: 19
          Consumer cooperation, have you heard of this?
      2. -4
        4 August 2021 07: 39
        Quote: Egoza
        If producers of agricultural products could freely trade in the markets without any intermediaries and resellers,

        Let there be as many of them as they want.
        The Duma just needs to pass the Law that the mark-up on products from the manufacturer's warehouse to the price on the counter for the buyer should not be higher than 50%. And then let all these intermediaries and dealers divide these 50% among themselves as they want.
        1. 0
          5 August 2021 21: 12
          Nonsense. Networks will easily find a loophole that will be helpfully left to them in the law. And who will control this process? Honest and incorruptible servants of the people ?!
          You just need not to stifle trifles, markets, shops and stop monopolization attempts at the root.
      3. +4
        4 August 2021 07: 58
        I noticed that as soon as we talked about trading potatoes and other grown from certified seeds, all home gardeners were blown away from the market.
        1. +9
          4 August 2021 08: 43
          Absolutely correct remark: Monsanto lobbyists and fighters for every "kopeck" in the form of a tax to the treasury, quietly killed a small producer of c / products as well as "grandmothers" prices. Want to lower your prices? Please - abolish the idiotic laws on the "certified" seed fund and allow the grandmothers and owners of "6 acres" to trade tax-free.
          1. 0
            5 August 2021 12: 08
            grandmothers in our Krasnodar Territory are already selling theirs from the garden
      4. 0
        4 August 2021 12: 31
        Quote: Egoza
        If producers of agricultural products could freely trade in the markets without any intermediaries and resellers, as it was during the USSR, then there would be no such rise in prices for vegetables.

        Includes SOVIET films "Sportloto82" and "Station for two" And CAREFULLY look.
        And with surprise belay you see Soviet outbidding on collective farm markets.
        I will say more - you saw them alive in the USSR ...
        1. -2
          4 August 2021 17: 11
          On the markets of the USSR, paradoxically, there was already a system of market economy.
    2. +10
      4 August 2021 06: 40
      The seasonal surge in borscht is finally over.
      But it didn’t get any cheaper. And in general, there is this nobility of borscht, and even with carrots, cabbage, meat, you know. smile You have to be more modest, like our oligarchs.
      1. +9
        4 August 2021 06: 50
        Give them tea with tea leaves, they have become insolent wassat
    3. +10
      4 August 2021 09: 43
      Against this background, you begin to understand why such a "pantalyk" canceled the calculation of the minimum wage for the minimum consumption basket, and switched to the calculation of the minimum wage from a certain "median" salary provided by Rosstat. If the calculation of the minimum wage for the consumption basket were kept, then it would have to be greatly increased, since the main basket of consumption had just risen in price, and then the minimum wage would have to be raised with the recalculation of pensions and wages upwards. To avoid the need to raise wages, pensions and benefits, they urgently switched to calculating the minimum wage according to the mythical "median", which may not only not grow, but also fall due to the closure of enterprises, falling incomes of entrepreneurs and, consequently, falling wages and which does not take into account price increases and expenses of citizens. Normally insured, right? Now tell me that the price increase happened "spontaneously", "unexpectedly" due to the "crisis phenomena" ... I wrote here earlier that as soon as the minimum wage was calculated according to the "median", then get ready for a sharp rise in price of everything , while maintaining beggarly wages, which (wages) no one is even going to raise.
      1. +3
        4 August 2021 10: 07
        As a result, themselves will be deceived.
      2. -4
        4 August 2021 17: 14
        It's still easier, it's just that now all manufacturers of everything are quickly trying to compensate for their losses in profits for 2020.
        1. Aag
          0
          5 August 2021 18: 54
          Quote: Vadim237
          It's still easier, it's just that now all manufacturers of everything are quickly trying to compensate for their losses in profits for 2020.

          Believe me, not only manufacturers, but sellers and resellers of everything ... And in 2022, if everything goes well, they will try to compensate for what was lost in 2021.)))
          .Capitalization...
  7. +8
    4 August 2021 06: 09
    In the so-called "VAZ" car, Vesta, only the engine (without attachments) can be considered domestic. The rest is all from partners. The electronics are all from European manufacturers.
    1. +7
      4 August 2021 08: 30
      Quote: O. Bender
      "VAZ", Vesta's car, only the engine (without attachments) can be considered domestic

      More iron, which rusts quickly. Apparently a feature of Russian iron!))
    2. +4
      4 August 2021 09: 25
      Quote: O. Bender
      In the so-called "VAZ" car, Vesta, only the engine (without attachments) can be considered domestic. The rest is all from partners. The electronics are all from European manufacturers.

      And the corps too
    3. +6
      4 August 2021 10: 05
      In any domestic car, electronics are imported. We cannot produce this ...
  8. +7
    4 August 2021 06: 26
    wanted western life, shiny foreign cars - get and sign, plus all the delights of cave capitalism
    1. -11
      4 August 2021 06: 33
      Quote: Ryaruav
      wanted western life, shiny foreign cars - get and sign

      it is better than the USSR with a deficit of everything and everywhere
      Quote: Ryaruav
      plus all the delights of cave capitalism

      Well, capitalism is not everywhere caveman.
      I would even say that in many places there is such - that 90% of the planet is dreaming of living in such a cave.
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 17: 05
        I would even say that in many places there is such - that 90% of the planet is dreaming of living in such a cave.

        Addiction theory has been around for decades, so 90% can only dream.
    2. +3
      4 August 2021 10: 15
      wanted ... shiny foreign cars

      And why is it forbidden for a person to want a shiny foreign car, or our shiny car, or not shiny, but normal? Normal pants and boots. Food is normal
      Is it some special kind of heroism, selfless devotion, devotion to certain ideas or a national sport - is it necessary to live in shit, tormenting and overcoming?
      And if you don't want to, then
      receive and sign

      What does it mean?
    3. -3
      4 August 2021 17: 16
      Received signed - very happy.
      1. Aag
        0
        5 August 2021 20: 59
        Quote: Vadim237
        Received signed - very happy.

        Um ... Associations with the payroll arise ...
        Although more and more often - gray, black cash, non-cash ... As a way for the employer to avoid tax anal (pardon the obscenity)))).
  9. +10
    4 August 2021 06: 34
    Now is the time when a person needs to stock up on vitamins for the winter. We sense the entire devaluation by how many products we can buy. And the wider the flow of cheap goods, the easier the path to survival. But besides "what to eat", it is worth thinking about since when we ceased to be ourselves. Since when have our herds cultivated envy. Demonstration of the superiority of some over others has become the norm. Although this does not happen in all countries. During the day, a surrogate on TV, at night, when people sleep something good.
  10. +12
    4 August 2021 06: 50
    It's all simple. It is necessary to create conditions and organize work in the country so that people can work and earn money. In all countries where the standard of living is normal, they did so.
    But this is not our way. All of us are almost squeezed into frames and throwing handouts:
    - preferential mortgage
    - discount on cars
    - 10 thousand per child
    You give people the opportunity to earn worthy.
    The main income of the country goes abroad, to the "longest yachts", and from those crumbs that remain in the form of taxes, 90% is deposited with "effective managers" from the state
    1. +6
      4 August 2021 08: 39
      so that people can work and earn.
      The operating class, why is this?
      1. +3
        4 August 2021 10: 30
        I believe that if the population is able to earn money, they will spend their earnings increasing the profits of the exploiting class.
        And if the peyzan has no money, the factories / steamers / factories of the manufacturers and capitalists will sell their products to?
        It means it is profitable for the capitalists too
        so that people can work and earn.
        1. +3
          4 August 2021 14: 22
          “I suppose if the population has the opportunity to earn, they will spend their earnings increasing the profits of the exploiting class.
          And if the peyzan has no money, the factories / steamers / factories of the manufacturers and capitalists will sell their products to?
          It means it is profitable for the capitalists too
          so that people can work and earn money. "

          No! Not in our case.

          The answer is simple.

          In order to have an interest in the development of the population, it must be necessary (profitable) for the capitalists, that is, in order to be able, for example, to produce complex products.

          In our country, the capitalists are not going to produce something complex, they are focused on the economy of "exporting resources without any redistribution."

          That is:
          1) they do not need you to be able to buy something inside, buyers abroad.
          2) they directly need you to work for the "soup".
          1. -6
            4 August 2021 17: 27
            “In our country, the capitalists are not going to produce something complicated, they are focused on the economy of“ exporting resources without any redistribution. ”And at the same time, the share of Russian production with a redistribution from low to high is growing every year. purchasing power grew more demand - more supply - more profit - more capital.
            1. +2
              4 August 2021 17: 51
              "And it is profitable for the capitalist that the population grows as well as the purchasing power grows more."

              Tolley they do not want their benefits ...
              Tolley you have something at odds with reality.

              Successes, breakthroughs and leaps in the direction of achieving benefits, that is: "the population grew and the purchasing power also grew", we see Ogogo as good!
  11. +11
    4 August 2021 07: 41
    The vaunted "market economy" of the critics of the Soviet planned economy turned out to be beneficial only to speculators. And in general, the enemies of the communists turned out to have too parasitic and egoistic mentality to be able to engage in the development of the country, to earn money for the country and the people.
    1. -11
      4 August 2021 07: 47
      Quote: tatra
      The vaunted "market economy" of the critics of the Soviet planned economy

      Plan - a sequence of actions to achieve the set goals.
      Market - a way to achieve the goals of the plan.
      You, and not only you, are trying to compare wet to square.


      Under socialism there were market relations - piecework, and under capitalism there are socialist ones. In their pure form, one and the other are not present anywhere.

      Quote: tatra
      so that they are able to engage in the development of the country

      Capitalism = individualism. The individualist does not care about the problems of others, incl. and the country on which he parasitizes.
      1. +11
        4 August 2021 07: 56
        What do you want to refute me? Under socialism, what under capitalism, people do the economy, and the economy of the enemies of the communists after the seizure of the republics of the USSR turned out to be monstrously ineffective and unprofitable for the country and the people - in comparison with the economy of socialism. And they seriously expose for the "achievements" of their economy in comparison with the planned Soviet economy - imports, counterfeiting of Soviet products at high prices for the people, the fact that they exported a lot of natural resources, raw materials, food from their country.
        1. -7
          4 August 2021 08: 05
          Quote: tatra
          What do you want to refute me?

          There is a plan under socialism and under capitalism.

          You know about the plan under socialism. About the plan under capitalism:
          Every year the Duma of the entire capitalist world approves the country's budget, i.e. is in charge of approving the plan provided by the government. Where, how much and to whom to give, and to whom not to give, what to develop and what not.

          The way to achieve the goals of the plan under socialism is to dig from here until lunchtime.
          The way to achieve the goals of the plan under capitalism is whoever gets there first is the same.
  12. +1
    4 August 2021 07: 54
    laughing An Englishwoman, crap with satellites, "the fifth column", envy. That every year, we live better and better, and the SP-2 factor cannot be dropped. laughing
  13. +10
    4 August 2021 08: 30
    What is this article for? The fact that covid, sanctions, crop failures, masons and sun spots are to blame for the permanent rise in prices and the decline in the welfare of citizens of the Russian Federation, but not our state, we have known this for a long time, it is always not in our business. Well, except for those cases when you need to get into the pocket of citizens once again and ask them to treat with understanding.
    1. +4
      4 August 2021 08: 37
      The fact that covid, sanctions, crop failures, masons and sun spots are to blame for the permanent rise in prices and a decrease in the welfare of citizens of the Russian Federation
      who else? laughing the existing system has nothing to do with it laughing
      1. +4
        4 August 2021 10: 31
        Obama !!))
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 10: 56
          Obama !!))
          and subsequent. smile
          1. +1
            4 August 2021 11: 00
            Still, peeing in our elevators was (and is?) Obama's prerogative.
            1. 0
              4 August 2021 11: 02
              So this is it, the scoundrel? all the same? smile
  14. +8
    4 August 2021 09: 00
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I absolutely agree with you! You have described a classic discussion between that arises even here - on the margins of the Internet.
    How many times have I said that if such a policy (both external and internal) continues, it will not get better. He reminded of the growth in the number of low-income people.
    And my opponent:
    "... I looked out the window - there are completely new cars in the yard. What kind of Russia do you live in?" ...
    It's good if his window is on Rublevka. And if you look out from the balcony 200 kilometers from Moscow?

    You can look out from anywhere. But the number of new cars under the window (as well as other nishtyaks) is more a merit of technical progress, and not an increase in living standards. The capitalist must get richer, and while the fodder base was sufficient there was a sense of well-being. But in the future, our monopolies will absorb everything that is possible, dictating their terms. In this regard, the West is saved by the seizure of new markets (with the influx of new slaves from ruined local enterprises), but we have nowhere to go - they are imposed on us.
    1. 0
      4 August 2021 09: 45
      this is more a merit of technical progress, and not an increase in living standards

      But technical progress is just and historically one of the main "engines" for the growth of living standards.
  15. +10
    4 August 2021 09: 09
    The enemies of the communists are unable to adequately perceive either themselves or reality. Here, they seriously exhibit a large number of cars in the Russian Federation for their "huge achievement" in comparison with the USSR. BUT, firstly, all these are foreign cars or "screwdriver assembly", secondly, according to statistics, -80% of cars in the Russian Federation are over 7 years old, and thirdly, a foreign car on the move, even in Moscow, can be bought for 150-200 thousand rubles, this is about a thousand rubles in Soviet money. Had they stayed like that in the USSR, all roads and yards in the USSR would have been clogged with them.
    1. -4
      4 August 2021 17: 31
      You can buy Moscow for 150-200 thousand rubles, this is about a thousand rubles in Soviet money - you earned this 1000 rubles in the USSR for how many months - in fact, the same money earned and accumulated over the same time, which is 200000 now, which is 1000 in the USSR.
  16. +13
    4 August 2021 09: 14
    The Union at one time had to start reorienting the economy to consumer goods. Slowly and steadily. Its domestic market was huge - the USSR itself + SVG. This would be enough to develop. The Chinese path (to become a world factory) was closed for us - no one in their right mind in the West would invest in our economy. But at the expense of their own population they could easily leave. Unfortunately, the right people in the leadership of the party did not appear at that moment. And yes, I still think the socialist path of development is more effective than modern capitalism.
    1. +3
      4 August 2021 09: 39
      The Union at one time had to start reorienting the economy to consumer goods. Slowly and steadily.

      So.
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  17. +3
    4 August 2021 09: 24
    The author in the article mentioned a printing press that is actively working in the United States.
    The funny thing is that we don't need to include it, there is a lot of money in the country, the question is in their absolute ineffectiveness of using it. Many laughed at Leonid Brezhnev's phrase that the economy should be economical, but this is actually the case, this phrase meant the efficient use of both money and resources, and so on.
    An example, the so-called "Our Heritage" .... how many billions are thrown into unnecessary advertising ... into the stadium and "Zenith" ... they even sponsor a German club, built a "cornfield" in St. Petersburg, billions in the so-called media ... and what, the extraction has become more efficient and more? And how many parasites of the so-called office plankton? and how many have lost lawsuits? about parachutes, bonuses and other payments I am silent ... and these funds were spent on so-called expenses and are not subject to elementary taxes. ..and so everywhere ...
    As for the agricultural sector, the situation is often such that they say you don’t need to help us, just don’t bother us ... and if you help, then it’s real, especially when buying fuel, fertilizers and equipment.
    Each new harvest will be more expensive, why? Yes, you can still see how every time we have, regardless of any world prices, the prices for fuel, fertilizers, interest in banks, etc. rise. and so on, and it is clear that tomorrow's carrot, with this trend, will be even more expensive than the current one.
    1. -2
      4 August 2021 17: 40
      "The funny thing is that we don't need to include it, there is a lot of money in the country, the question is in their absolute inefficiency in using it." Is it true - and where there are many - just to restore and repair the infrastructure of all fixed assets in Russia, 120 trillion rubles are needed.
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 19: 20
        There is a lot of money
    2. Aag
      +1
      5 August 2021 19: 10
      "... Many laughed at Leonid Brezhnev's phrase that the economy should be economical ..."
      And remember, the KVN changed this thesis: "There must be an economy!"
      ... Then it was funny ... (((
  18. +8
    4 August 2021 09: 28
    Ha!
    "The period of frantic markups will pass." ???
    Fairy tales.
    Prices never go down globally. (exceptions are seasonal items). After the New Year's rise in price, for example.

    If the prices could not be kept after Puitin's promoted order to Mishustin, before the EDRA elections, it means that there is no need for nifig.

    On the contrary, PR is going on - since there is inflation and rising prices, then this is good. The economy is growing ...

    There is no choice anyway. Expensive - but they will buy carrots anyway ...
  19. +7
    4 August 2021 10: 22
    Quote: Terran Ghost
    this is more a merit of technical progress, and not an increase in living standards

    But technical progress is just and historically one of the main "engines" for the growth of living standards.

    That is why the number of cars in the yard is not an argument in favor of capitalism. Like the carts in the supermarket. Of course, the shelves in stores should be full, but full carts also indicate that these products are full of preservatives and can be stored much longer than products from the times of the USSR. A person in such conditions naturally acts as it is more convenient for him.
  20. +6
    4 August 2021 10: 30
    I will tell you, readers, as a small business hotelier.

    No entrepreneur is ever pleased to raise the price for their goods and services. Moreover, every time the price rises, a kind of fear arises in the underbelly, because you understand that if you raised the price, then your demand will decrease. But it is also clear that if you do not raise the price of goods or services, then you will simply go broke and no one will regret you, including you, dear readers, who will not regret the ruined merchant who has gone around the world.

    You will even be glad that one more enterprise in the country is fucking bent.

    Example: in the spring of 2021, prices for all goods for the repair of buildings, premises and territories increased by 60-100%. Prices for paints, metal, tools have doubled. If my friend, who traded in goods for repair, was selling goods purchased back in the fall of 2, then in the summer of 2020 all wholesale prices were lifted by suppliers to him 2021 times. For you, dear readers, a question: should my entrepreneur friend hang himself or raise prices proportionately?

    But I also have to repair my material base. I work in Altai. Our season is 3 summer months + 2 weeks for the New Year. The rest of the period is just a net loss.

    On the other hand, only Russians go to Gorny Altai on vacation. And if the Russians become poorer, then we, entrepreneurs in Altai, will also have to get poorer. That is why raising the price of accommodation is almost the same as cutting your veins.

    Of course, every Russian does not care that any other Russian is ruined. The mentality in the country is like that. But on a national scale, this is the ruin of the entire people.
    1. +3
      4 August 2021 14: 46
      This is exactly what I wrote a comment about.
      You, as a "capitalist", need a high prosperity among the people, but "capitalists", "decision makers" do not, since their goods and their buyers are abroad.

      With a similar problem and thoughts (dilemma) that you face myself, only I have "services", but the addiction is the same
  21. +4
    4 August 2021 10: 41
    Well, I told my parents a year ago not to plant so many carrots with beets in the country (until now, last year is in the basement), because it takes a lot of effort, but it costs a penny. How wrong I was ...
    1. -1
      4 August 2021 17: 46
      Cucumbers and tomatoes will soon rise in price the same so that you can build a greenhouse.
      1. 0
        4 August 2021 23: 13
        And for what reason, is there something reasoned or foresight?
  22. +1
    4 August 2021 11: 02
    > The period of frantic markups will pass.
    How will it pass, prices will return to the previous level? I won't believe it in my life. The point is that as long as the state washes its hands of at least minimal price regulation, this orgy will continue (the capitalists are capable of anything for the sake of the coveted 300%).
    I wonder what the US government would have done if insolent retailers raised prices by 100% for a certain product?
    1. -1
      4 August 2021 12: 42
      Quote: Victor Tsenin
      I wonder what the US government would have done if insolent retailers raised prices by 100% for a certain product?

      I'll tell you a secret - in the winter in Texas, electricity rose in price 1000 times and what ??? Which of the power engineers was executed by the US government ???
      Oh well...
      1. +5
        4 August 2021 12: 49
        This case refers to emergency situations, secondly, the increase affected a very small number of citizens, with a flexible rather than a fixed tariff. In the fourth, everything returned as it was.
        To sum up, your example is irrelevant, but it is an example of price normalization.
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 22: 02
          Quote: Victor Tsenin
          secondly, the increase affected a very small number of citizens,
          -several thousand households
          Quote: Victor Tsenin
          In the fourth, everything returned as it was.
          -hah ... only the bill for the crisis remains and has not gone anywhere, you have to pay it ..
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 23: 11
            Yes, I can’t disagree, several thousand. Out of tens of thousands.
            Well, of course, it stayed, of course it is necessary, however, who was wiser, warmed with air conditioning, say, up to 16 degrees and paid conditionally 1000 bucks, instead of 600. The frosts passed, the floating rate returned to adequate.
            In our monastery, I recently decided to look at the prices for lumber and almost went nuts to death. He began to look for the reasons for such cases - the reason is just to cash in on the growth of demand. There are many reserves, there are many forests, but such a desire and tricks in the absence of regulation. I won't even write about fuel and much more, everyone on VO is already aware of it, including you.
            1. -1
              5 August 2021 00: 18
              Quote: Victor Tsenin
              Yes, I can’t disagree, several thousand. Out of tens of thousands.
              -a little more, no?
              "At the peak of frost, approximately a quarter of Texas energy users - and this is millions of people, left without light. The power grids could not cope with the increased load, because in Texas they are heated mainly by electrical appliances. When the cold weather came, the network was on the verge of collapse and operators began rolling blackouts. "
              Quote: Victor Tsenin
              paid conditionally 1000 bucks, instead of 600.

              "So, 63-year-old Scott Willoughby - a veteran living on social security payments - told the New York Times that he had to pay $ 16 “According to www.usa.one. This is 70 times more than a man usually spends on all his utilities combined. “I have no more savings left. - says the devastated Willoughby - <...> All this broke me. " Scott isn't the only one on the brink of ruin due to extreme weather conditions. Dallas-based DeAndre Upshaw told CNN that he also received a "completely shocking" bill of $ 7 thousand “When I try to get gasoline and groceries, while making sure my pipes don't explode, the last thing I think about is a $ 7 bill from my utility company,” DeAndre said. According to the Financial Times, last week the wholesale price of electricity rose to the maximum allowable level of $ 9 per megawatt hour in 5 days. This means that families were billed in $ 9 per kilowatt-hour compared to the usual cost of just 12 cents.
              1. 0
                5 August 2021 00: 39
                I read this, thanks. A summary a few posts above, with causal reasoning.
                1. +1
                  5 August 2021 23: 11
                  Quote: Victor Tsenin
                  I read this, thanks. A summary a few posts above, with causal reasoning.
                  -and what did the US government do in this situation? And did nothing ...
                  Quote: Victor Tsenin
                  I wonder what the US government would have done if insolent retailers raised prices by 100% for a certain product?
                  - and in this situation it is exactly the same NOTHING would not. Their state does not regulate prices.
                  Pharmaceutical companies have raised the prices of 245 drugs in the United States during the coronavirus pandemic, of which 61 are already being used to treat COVID-19 and 30 are in clinical trials, The Hill reports, according to the Affordable Drugs Association.
                  According to the study, companies have increased prices for 44 drugs used in inpatient settings, incl. in intensive care units, namely: sedatives, steroids, antihypertensive drugs and anticoagulants.
                  The researchers note that in some cases, the increase in prices is caused by the disruption of global supply chains, in others - by a sharp increase in demand.
                  Eight drugs, including morphine and ketamine, are on the FDA's List of Essential Drugs.
                  Forty drugs are used to treat COVID-19 in patients who do not require hospitalization, including Tylenol and ibuprofen.
                  In addition, pharmaceutical companies have raised prices for 118 drugs for the treatment of chronic diseases, incl. 25 anticancer agents and 23 drugs for the treatment of cardiovascular diseases.
                  The researchers also found that 22 drugs for the treatment of mental illness have risen in price over the past six months, despite the fact that the pandemic has negatively affected the psychological well-being of the US population. "

                  "The businessman became infamous in the United States after his company Turing Pharmaceuticals bought out a patent for a drug against HIV and AIDS. $ 13,5 to $ 750."- planted exclusively forbut fraud, withdrawal of money from the company and tax evasion.Simple rise in price 55 times nobody was interested
                  1. 0
                    6 August 2021 08: 20
                    Now everything is clear, thank you very much for the detailed answer!
  23. +7
    4 August 2021 11: 04
    Quote: Esaul
    Well, I told my parents a year ago not to plant so many carrots with beets in the country (until now, last year is in the basement), because it takes a lot of effort, but it costs a penny. How wrong I was ...

    well, carrots for the price of bananas are the same for our state, we have nowhere to plant and grow carrots, and the climate is not the same, although what is there to be surprised at, lumber has doubled, this is in a country where forests are up to ..., it's even ridiculous to even mention the permanently rising price of gasoline, our drivers always have an excuse, whether oil is getting more expensive or cheaper, they will find noodles for any trend.
    So it is with inflation, they have all the norms in their reports - food, gasoline and timber have risen in price, but yachts and smartphones have fallen in price, respectively, as in that joke, officials eat meat, and people eat cabbage, but on average we eat cabbage rolls.
  24. +1
    4 August 2021 11: 15
    What's going on, well, much more ... So the price tags for everything are inflated, a miserable foreign car, supposedly Cherie and other Korean perversion, a half-empty stool from 1 million and more ... What kind of nonsense ???
    1. +2
      4 August 2021 11: 24
      there is an opinion that these are still flowers, and the berries will be after the elections.
    2. +1
      4 August 2021 14: 50
      "What's going on, something, well, much more ...".

      I can reassure you, there will be "much more ...".
  25. +4
    4 August 2021 11: 16
    what the profit dictates, then they produce what the market dictates, then they plant, it is profitable to carrots, they plant carrots, it is profitable to plant a sunflower, they will drive oil to China, wheat to Egypt, the question is why a business trading for export, for $ dolyary, upon payment salary, mind you, issuing it in rubles rubles, is guided by the subsistence minimum established by the regulator who proclaimed - Article 7 1. The Russian Federation is a social state, whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure worthy life, is 12 702 rubles a worthy life?
    1. -2
      4 August 2021 12: 45
      Quote: Vavilov
      Is 12 702 rubles a worthy life?

      Let's say the government installs 100 and? That's right - the carrot producer will stupidly quit his production, because he will have a penny profit ...
      1. -1
        4 August 2021 15: 26
        000 000 And? .. wrong, let's go back there, raise the price, demand dictates the price, not costs, why, having entered the international market, our population turned out to be unprotected from the shock increase in prices in the domestic market depending on export? who sets these "rules of the game"? "from there" came, or "tuta", who has seriously messed up the governance of the country?
    2. 0
      4 August 2021 14: 51
      "Article 7 1. RF is a social state, the policy of which is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life."

      I'm embarrassed to ask this where you are quoting from?
      1. 0
        4 August 2021 15: 35
        popularly adopted, article 7, paragraph times, "Constitution of the Russian Federation", what is wrong?
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 17: 42
          And you mean that ...
          Is there any document or just that?
          Well then, it's clear.
          As a result, does it work?
      2. 0
        4 August 2021 16: 09
        Quote: Revival

        0
        "Article 7 1. RF is a social state, the policy of which is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life."

        I'm embarrassed to ask this where you are quoting from?


        New text of the Constitution of the Russian Federation with the 2020 amendments
        http://duma.gov.ru/news/48953/
        ...
        Article 7

        1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.

        2. Labor and health of the people are protected in the Russian Federation, a guaranteed minimum wage is established, state support for the family, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood, the disabled and senior citizens is provided, a system of social services is being developed, state pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection are established.

        ...
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 17: 46
          Recommended citation +100500 times.
          Yep ..
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    4. +1
      4 August 2021 21: 48
      Quote: Vavilov
      Is 12 702 rubles a worthy life?


      It is interesting that if you take an agreement between a bank and a client, i.e. in fact, only 2 people, in the part related to the obligations of the parties, very specific formulations are used that cannot be interpreted. And in the document, for which millions voted, there are a lot of non-specific formulations. And, of course, no claims can be made against them, since you can interpret it as you like.
  26. -1
    4 August 2021 11: 21
    "The absence of the institution of business reputation in our country. Such boorish behavior of car dealers and indulgence on the part of the manufacturer does not have any response from the consumer."

    And in some other area is it wrong?

    Our "consumer" is such a phenomenon that there is nothing to respect and reckon with.
  27. +3
    4 August 2021 12: 25
    in May-June, only carrots have risen in price by 64% - in some regions (for example, in Volgograd) the cost of a kilogram of this root crop has reached a fantastic 150 rubles.
    The most interesting news today was watching an interview with a Volgograd farmer. he says that he has a selling price of 14-16 rubles, and in stores 150r - well, this is not at all 64%. It's like from that anecdote-Look bro, I take 50 rubles, well, I sell it for 350, this 3 percent is my fat gain. laughing laughing good
  28. +4
    4 August 2021 12: 29
    Dear Author, dear colleagues!
    I expected a substantive conversation from all of you, but I never got it. As a result, in spite of the established rule for myself not to go out on news, opinions and analytics anymore, I have to break this rule, since the increase in food prices has hurt me in a completely unacceptable and absolutely ugly way.
    The fact is that two laws were adopted, the impact of which on the population of our country is equal, or even surpasses the notorious 90s.
    On August 2, 2019, it was signed by the President and came into effect on January 1, 2020, a law lobbied by the raw material oligarchs and adopted by the State Duma

    N 265 - FZ.

    Under this law, the raw materials and energy sectors received the right not to return part of their foreign exchange earnings to Russia. Let me remind you that the foreign exchange earnings are bought by the Central Bank for rubles, which go to the budget. And since our "deep people", knowing nothing about the laws, silently swallowed it and, rather, did not even notice, then further in 2020 such an amendment to this law was adopted, which provides for the return of only 10% of the proceeds and only that if the extraction of raw materials exceeds a certain level. But who said that the oligarchs will try to surpass it in order to at least somehow replenish the budget? They don't care about the budget! They also have enough of what allows them to fill their pockets without reaching the legislative level. Experts believe that by 2025 ALL foreign exchange earnings from the raw materials and energy sectors will remain abroad.
    In order not to pay anything to the budget, the oligarchs will go and have already gone to cut production. This means that prices for things and fuel will rise and have already risen. Further - the growth of housing and communal services tariffs.

    And now - attention!
    On July 28, 2021, the President signed a law lobbied by agricultural holdings and adopted by the State Duma

    N 223 - FZ.

    This is a law on amending the previous Federal Law "On Currency Regulation and Currency Control".
    Experts believe that this amendment will bring the process of robbing Russia to its logical conclusion. Now foreign exchange earnings will remain in foreign banks, including from the sale of FOOD PRODUCTS abroad.
    In anticipation of this amendment last fall, the entire Stavropol region rushed to sell abroad products produced on their farmland. As a result, with the bountiful harvest of 2020 in Russia, the rise in food prices began to gain momentum. And taking into account the climatic disasters that have befallen this year, a huge and non-greedy China and many other countries, in which the entire crop was destroyed as a result of floods, we should expect further export of our food products abroad and a corresponding increase in food prices.

    How will the state get out of the situation? Printing "extra" money and distributing it to the population. Money, which is no longer backed by the dollar, for Russia is refusing it. But the wealthy - with what? Gold? No longer appreciated! The price includes information. From September 1, China will expropriate it.
    In addition, the gold in the basements of the banks suddenly turned out to be suspiciously small, much less than two years earlier. At least experts testify to this.
    And all this, perhaps, is good - within the framework of the so-called "sovereignization of Russia", which means avoiding the dollar's provision of the ruble. But will the population survive?

    And one more question.
    By 2025, a huge amount of non-taxable foreign currency will accumulate in the foreign accounts of the oligarchs. Is this a gift for them? Will this continue after 2024? And what about the dividends received from the state's participation in various Gazprom companies? They are also in foreign currency and also abroad?
    And how to understand all this?
    1. +3
      4 August 2021 13: 10
      Raw colony as it is. The export of everything and everyone, and then the export of the proceeds to an aggressive nature, has grown sharply recently. At the same time, they say that the deep-seated people demand a lot, do not want to feed on the doshirak. And therefore it is necessary to urgently bring in Tajiks, otherwise the khan.
    2. +2
      4 August 2021 14: 57
      How to understand all this ...
      What is there to understand?

      "since our" deep people "... silently swallowed it."

      And this and this and that and .... .... ....

      To a swallower according to his merits, he must understand it, and henceforth it will be so "since our" deep people "... silently swallowed everything.
    3. 0
      4 August 2021 17: 51
      In total, the tax authorities monitor about 700000 accounts of our businessmen abroad for a total of 13 trillion - is it huge for Russia, not huge, since it does not even reach the 20th part of the funds that are needed in Russia for everything about everything.
      1. +3
        4 August 2021 19: 03
        Vadim, I'm talking to you about Ivan, and you to me - about the ram.

        According to the Rosselkhoznadzor, at the end of 2020, grain exports from Russia amounted to 57,5 million tons, which is 20% more than a year ago. According to the ministry, the bulk of exports fell on wheat - 38,3 million tons.


        By 20%! ...
        So what happened?

        There was an increase in world prices for grain, and its export from Russia last year was carried out at an accelerated pace. However, an additional incentive for the export of grain was the WAITING for the adoption of a law that legalizes the right of grain exporters to leave their proceeds abroad.

        In 2020, 132,9 million tons of grain were harvested in Russia, which was the second result in the history of the country after the record harvest in 2017, according to the Rosstat report. The harvest in 2020 was 9,7% more than in 2019. It was from this harvest that they exported abroad that same 20% more than a year earlier.
        But how did it happen that without any weather prerequisites and - a record harvest?
        That's how:
        sugar beet harvest fell by 2019% compared to 40,5 (32,4 million tons versus 54,4 million tons),
        potatoes - by 10,9% (19,7 million tons against 22,1 million tons),
        vegetables - by 2,0% (13,8 million tons against 14,1 million tons).
        Beets, potatoes, onions, carrots - DO NOT PLANT! They were not planted in the required quantity!
        Because they are planted, not sown, they are much more labor-consuming crops in production than wheat!
        Therefore, the area for vegetables was sharply reduced, instead of them they sowed wheat in order to sell it abroad - do you understand that?
        And if in 2020 grain production was increased in order to increase its exports, and then take advantage of the possibilities of the expected law on currency easing, and were even ready to pay fines for untimely repatriation of foreign currency earnings home to Russia, then this year, when the law on currency easing already adopted, I assure you, there will again be record harvests of wheat and other crops, no matter what the weather will be. And there will be new records for the export of grain. And all this will happen by reducing the area for the notoriously unprofitable carrots in production, as well as beets, onions, potatoes and other vegetable crops.
        Little of! Before the brutalization, greedy producers this year are preparing for export such a quantity of wheat that they warn in advance about the increase in the price of bread.
        I clearly explained what was going on?
        And what is the government doing in this situation to stop the rise in domestic prices? Maybe raising export duties?
        No! Because this is not our government. This is the government of the oligarchs.
        So the rise in prices for everything will continue.
    4. +2
      4 August 2021 21: 50
      Quote: depressant
      And since our "deep people"


      Doesn't this term mean oligarchs and, in general, real owners who have real influence?
      1. -1
        4 August 2021 22: 22
        The term "deep people" means connection
        between the conditional oligarchs of the United States, which is a huge network of closed clubs, interconnected, such which includes all industrialists, financiers, owners of investment funds, politicians, the military elite, owners of large publishing houses and film companies. All political and economic issues are discussed in these clubs, the decisions made are approved by certain, most influential of them, and then ready-made proposals are submitted to either Congress, or the Senate, or directly to the presidential administration. All these contributions are lobbied.
        In Russia, the deep people are a collection of ordinary people endowed with only one right - to vote for absolutely strangers who are nominated as candidates for some place.
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 22: 30
          Quote: depressant
          In Russia, the deep people are a collection of ordinary people


          No, it cannot be that the same term in different countries means exactly the opposite. If in the United States these are deep-seated masters, then it is the same in Russia. Those. the same oligarchs.
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 22: 58
            Alex, the term "deep people" in our country, journalists refer to ordinary voters. Because the word "people" is a collection of a large number of people. But the number of people who really influence the behavior of our state machine is so small that journalists did not dare to transfer the American term to our realities. We have a "deep" - one who is not visible, does not matter in politics.
            1. +2
              4 August 2021 23: 08
              Quote: depressant
              Alex, the term "deep people" in our country, journalists refer to ordinary voters.


              Is there any point in mentioning the journalists who write what their owners order them to? Although, however, it turns out piquant. The oligarchs let down the instruction that anyone should be called a deep people, but not themselves.

              This is somewhat reminiscent of the typical fallacy of the phrase "prices rise", as if we are talking about apples on a tree that grow by themselves. The phrase is wrong because prices are not subjects. All that can be said about prices is that they are raised by the owners of the products. They cannot grow by themselves. But due to the fact that an erroneous phrase is used everywhere, when prices are mentioned, the owners are elegantly silent as if they did not exist at all.
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 23: 18
                Noted correctly!
                Here we need to talk about the policy of offshore trading networks and wholesalers, about the lack of a sufficient number of decent vegetable stores, about the reduction in the number of grain elevators, about the absence of farm cooperatives with their own canning factories and storage facilities - one colleague here correctly said this. There is a lot to talk about! In 2019, we talked about all this here, literally shouted, recalled the successful Stalinist cooperatives - everything turned out to be in vain!
                1. 0
                  4 August 2021 23: 31
                  Quote: depressant
                  In 2019, we talked about all this here, literally shouted, recalled the successful Stalinist cooperatives - everything turned out to be in vain!


                  Is Vaska listening and eating? Which, however, is quite logical, given that animals have no conscience.
  29. +2
    4 August 2021 13: 03
    local workforce demands more benefits and higher wages


    There are no words here, I would like to see this increased wages, especially in the provinces. Those 15-20 sput that employers offer to sellers in the same retail, this is probably the increased salary. Better, of course, to drive guest workers than to pay people.
    It turns out that retailers are to blame for the price increase. They are certainly not angels, but this market has been formed for a long time, and for some reason the increase has started right now. Monopolists, speculators and all that is the usual organ for the authorities, covering their schools.
  30. +2
    4 August 2021 13: 12
    The period of frantic markups will pass. And everyone will forget everything. But it will pass to break out again next time.


    If the state does not regulate it will be so. The state should regulate the rate of profit and the number of intermediaries from the manufacturer to the counter - one and no more.
    1. 0
      4 August 2021 13: 20
      Quote: Going
      The period of frantic markups will pass. And everyone will forget everything. But it will pass to break out again next time.


      If the state does not regulate it will be so. The state should regulate the rate of profit and the number of intermediaries from the manufacturer to the counter - one and no more.

      Well, you're talking about bees against honey ....))) However, what you can't deny with these hands of the drivers is inventiveness in terms of inventing new extortions and options to get into the pocket of citizens.
      From the latter - universal vaccination at any cost, it is not clear what and for what (that is, for what it is clear, for the enrichment of a very specific circle of people).
      By the way, he laughed for a long time at the comment in the next topic, where one of the adherents, who had injected with no analogs, in all seriousness talks about the fact that after the injection it is necessary to take even more precautions within 3 months so as not to get infected) that's really true, a burda that has no analogs, after which you have to sit at home for 3 months so that God forbid accidentally die)
    2. +1
      4 August 2021 15: 00
      "The state should regulate the rate of profit and the number of intermediaries from the manufacturer to the counter - one and no more."

      Here, the primary condition is that the State must be
      1. +1
        4 August 2021 21: 34
        Quote: Revival
        Here, the primary condition is that the State must be


        The state is always there. The only question is which group policy it implements.
        1. -1
          4 August 2021 23: 00
          The state, in principle, can be.
          But that state, about which, according to the meaning, he wrote in the commentary "Walking" ...
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 23: 20
            Quote: Revival
            The state, in principle, can be.


            A society without a state does not exist. Here, after all, the main thing is not the state, but what policy it pursues. In the USSR, for example, there was the police, and now the police. And how differently structures work. Something I do not remember that in the police, let's say in the 60s, there were armored cars, paddy wagons, tear gas, etc. adaptations typical for the police of bourgeois states.
            1. 0
              5 August 2021 23: 45
              Quote: A_Lex
              Quote: Revival
              The state, in principle, can be.


              A society without a state does not exist. Here, after all, the main thing is not the state, but what policy it pursues. In the USSR, for example, there was the police, and now the police. And how differently structures work. Something I do not remember that in the police, let's say in the 60s, there were armored cars, paddy wagons, tear gas, etc. adaptations typical for the police of bourgeois states.

              Car wagons - were ("Black Raven" - if anything, from pre-war times)
              Dubinks - were ("In the USSR, these special means were adopted by law enforcement agencies only in 1962, in accordance with the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR" On the adoption of a rubber stick and handcuffs for the police ")
              Tear gas - was (simultaneously with the baton since 1962)

              specialized armored cars - yes, there weren't ...
    3. +1
      4 August 2021 21: 39
      Quote: Going
      If the state does not regulate

      For this, there must be a state ... and not an LLC ..
  31. +1
    4 August 2021 13: 29
    Quote: Author
    we see the price of 150 rubles and the active import of vegetables.

    not us, but you see)))
    I see a price of 45 rubles. washed carrots and 24r. in the mud, and I vote in rubles for the price of 24 rubles.
    but in fact, networkers, under the cries of purchased magazines, that it would be good when the networks squeeze out small suppliers, monopolized prices, blocked, in part, the access to the consumer of local products.
    1. +4
      4 August 2021 19: 11
      Here! There will be a further reduction in the number of small farmers due to their removal from the land by large agricultural holdings.
    2. 0
      4 August 2021 23: 03
      And today in Dixie we see unwashed at 49.90 rubles. (I remembered your comment in the afternoon and noticed).
  32. 0
    4 August 2021 13: 38
    They forgot to write about taxi services. After the monopolization of the market by Yandex and Sberbank, prices began to rise extravagantly at least 2 times.
    1. +3
      4 August 2021 15: 02
      I fully confirm.
      Prices have gone up and there is always a kind of "high demand", even at 3 am ....
  33. +2
    4 August 2021 14: 32
    Carrots have risen in price - the damned foreign countries are to blame and the printing of dollars. Everyone knows that Russian grandparents receive pensions in dollars, and Putin, as always, has nothing to do with it.
  34. +2
    4 August 2021 14: 53
    And here's more news: Avtodor is canceling night discounts on toll roads, as well as a discount for paying by transponder!
    Hooray!
    Long live Edry, Volodin and Tereshkova Foreva!
    Burn more!
    Eh, not enough God has been loaded into the Constitution, it should be more, otherwise the fasteners are cracking.
  35. +3
    4 August 2021 17: 05
    In Russian speaking, what they fought for, they ran into it State regulation and the rate on large agricultural holdings did not work Alas, but His Majesty's head is a farmer He needs to be cared for and cherished They need to really help Super cheap loans, leasing, etc. over Poland, but in vain, Poland now feeds half of Europe and has plenty of it, if anyone was there, he saw Why.? The role of the state is that it creates all the conditions But it helps to establish sales markets Yes, yes, the state helps here Remember how happy we were that we blocked Polish apples So what, the state helped them organize the shipment of apples to other countries, compensated for the initial losses And farmers are now growing and thriving. In each voivodeship, farmers' associations create modern storage bases with the help of the state. And modern Polish villages.? In short, we must not choke, but help,
    1. +3
      4 August 2021 19: 14
      Colleague!
      The oligarchic state does not hear you. I spoke about all this in VO two years ago, screamed, did not hear.
      1. +4
        4 August 2021 20: 26
        "I spoke about all this in VO."
        And it is completely in vain, because representatives of the oligarchic environment do not come to VO. wink It's just ... it's just a tribune to let off steam. Konstantin, today expressed an interesting idea that times are coming that the "nineties" will seem like a child's walk in the fresh air.
        Good evening Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 20: 58
          Seryozha, my friend, how glad I am to see you!)))
          Mothballs like Nicholas I somehow did not inspire me, and the endlessly repeated theme of food finally touched me with the fact that every time everyone talks about prices, and no one is about the laws that allow raising these prices. Until we learn to follow the laws, we will be as we are now. And about the 90s, I also mentioned in the comment above on the branch, because it is already a common place.
          I am reading the second book of Klimov from the dilogy, it is more boring, but the pamphlet is still the same!)))
          And I wonder if Klimov will come to this:
          "You have to make good out of evil, because there is nothing else to make of it."
          © R.P. Warren
          Has the think tank in the Presidential Administration arrived at this, or is it beyond the power of the advisers? wassat )))
          1. +3
            4 August 2021 21: 10
            Mutually, my friend!
            I started reading Klimov, but ... it didn't work! It seemed like a childish one, two brothers, one with a Mauser, the other with a whip. Well, it's funny, really. I returned to Detective Connelly. Alas!
            As for the topic of the article. You know, it seems to me that the current regime is already in the stage of agony. Well, they are not doing well in governing the country! It is very similar to an "island of bad luck." In general, this person has gone quite an interesting way from a kind of lady with good liberal views, to an individual playing in the current team! According to the rules established by them. A grimace of fate! The roads that we choose!
            1. 0
              4 August 2021 21: 38
              About Klimov's book.
              Everything starts there from the moment of the death of the wife of the Chekist Maxim. He begins to look for the cause of her death and comes to the conclusion that the reason is in the psychotype of a person. What is more in it? Good (Christ) or bad (Antichrist)? And how the devil uses it - the mind of the person himself, where he leads. And it turned out that all ancient religions, all philosophers were dealing with this issue. Maxim, understanding all this, eventually becomes the organizer of the secret department under the KGB, the "red cardinal" ...
              I was fascinated by the story, but I understand you)))
              Sometimes I also want to give up on everything and re-read the brutal, very stylish detective stories of Mickey Sullivan. But time is running out ...
              And Panfilova ...
              Yes, at one time she surprised me by retraining from a liberal to the head of the Central Election Commission. But then I realized that this was the signal of the liberal opposition "Let's be friends!" Those did not heed and receive for lack of understanding. And Panfilova ... It just dawned on her that she could not find a better way to settle into a comfortable life. The "prince of this world" forced me to look at all liberal gestures even more cynically than before.
              1. +1
                4 August 2021 21: 55
                And she, after all, at one time did not have a strong "friendship" with Putin. But ... my God, what is this government doing even with decent people? This is me for the advertisement of Doc Roshal about vaccination. After all, at one time he spoke sharply about the so-called pandemic That's what a truly contagious disease-POWER! Be with us and only the stars will be higher than you! wink
                1. 0
                  4 August 2021 22: 36
                  Seryozha, this is the first book from the dilogy! I have never met such a power of description of the craving for power in any other author as in Klimov. Based on the study of all the sacred books, many studies of philosophical literature, psychiatry - you cannot list everything, the author, together with his hero, comes to the conclusion that any leader is a mentally unhealthy person, whose pathology is an animal craving for power.
                  Whether the author will remain with his opinion, I will find out at the end of the second book)))
          2. +2
            4 August 2021 22: 03
            Quote: depressant
            Until we learn to follow the laws, we will be as we are now.


            But what if you learn to follow the laws, you will be able to influence them?

            Quote: depressant
            "You have to make good out of evil, because there is nothing else to make of it."


            Strange phrase.
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 22: 21
              The ability to influence laws? The opportunity to influence the people who host them is elections! The moment has come when they need to go! Although I have participated in them before. wink But now it is paramount! hi
              1. +2
                4 August 2021 22: 27
                Quote: Phil77
                The ability to influence the people who host them is an election!


                Of course not. After the elections, the voters have no influence on the elected ones.
                1. +1
                  4 August 2021 22: 32
                  And what does this mean? After all, there is a "homely truth" that the deputies under the USSR lived in constituencies of voters! They worked in those places!
                  1. +2
                    4 August 2021 22: 41
                    Quote: Phil77
                    And what is this talking about?


                    The fact that in a bourgeois state the people have no legal leverage to influence the decisions of the authorities.
                    1. +1
                      4 August 2021 22: 57
                      Yes you, my dear theorist! laughing
                      Alas and ah, but now decisions are influenced not even by governments, but by "intertrans"!
                      Just don’t blame me for watching / and I don’t watch, though, no. Sometimes! / In watching RenTV.
                      1. +1
                        4 August 2021 23: 01
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Alas and ah, but now decisions are influenced not even by governments, but by "intertrans"!


                        Intertrans are not affected. The owners of intertrans are influencing. Those. again, hundredths of a percent of the actual population of the country.
                      2. 0
                        4 August 2021 23: 20
                        You to the words. Togo. Do not cling. "Intertrans" - certainly. Their owners. Also, conditionally.
                      3. 0
                        4 August 2021 23: 34
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Their owners, also conditionally.


                        But their owners are not just conditional, but very real, due to their subjectivity.
            2. +1
              4 August 2021 22: 42
              Dear colleague A_lex, this phrase is an epigraph to one of the chapters of "Roadside Picnic" by the Strugatskys. Well, look. The British exiled criminals to Australia. So something like Haiti should have arisen there, right? But among the exiled there were those who, out of a heap of evil, created a worthy state, themselves being little worthy. Made good out of evil.
              1. +1
                4 August 2021 22: 53
                Yes, in principle, at the time of its emergence, the States did not indulge in law-abiding citizens. Everyone was attracted by one thing (as he wrote more than once) - freedom!
                1. +2
                  4 August 2021 23: 03
                  Quote: Phil77
                  Everyone was attracted by one thing / as he wrote more than once / - freedom!


                  Freedom is an abstract thing. In the United States, it was more interesting that it was possible to get hold of land there, in contrast to Europe. And a certain amount of land already gave legislative rights.
                  1. +1
                    4 August 2021 23: 08
                    Aha! Aha! And to deal with the indigenous people! But in general to you for a wonderful dialogue - * +++ *! hi
                    1. 0
                      4 August 2021 23: 24
                      I support you, A_lex is great, he knows how to ask questions, I also answered him everywhere.
                      But it's too late, my eyes are tired. If Vyacheslav Olegovich doesn't bring up the topic tomorrow, you can come back here and have a substantive discussion good hi ))))
                  2. 0
                    4 August 2021 23: 44
                    Freedom is not an abstract thing! It is either declared in the Constitution, or not, it is either observed, or not.
                    1. 0
                      5 August 2021 00: 14
                      Quote: Phil77
                      Freedom is not an abstract thing!


                      The term "freedom" refers to the unhindered opportunity for action. Without specifying obstacles, goals, conditions and nature of actions, we get a pure abstraction that can be understood as you like.
                      1. 0
                        5 August 2021 00: 54
                        And let's understand freedom, exactly as ... freedom, huh? No more?
              2. +3
                4 August 2021 22: 56
                Quote: depressant
                The British exiled criminals to Australia. So something like Haiti should have arisen there, right? But among the exiled there were those who, out of a heap of evil, created a worthy state, themselves being little worthy. Made good out of evil.


                Didn't the same thing happen during the development of present-day Australia as happened during the development of the territory of present-day Great Britain by the Saxons? And it is not clear why Haiti should have turned out. They built what model of the state they knew. Those. an ordinary parliamentary republic of the type with a monarch at its head.

                Quote: depressant
                epigraph to one of the chapters of "Roadside Picnic" by the Strugatskys.


                The phrase is overly abstract. Understand as you want.
                1. +2
                  4 August 2021 23: 06
                  This is only partly true. After all, they could have made a pirate country, at the same time killing each other. But, being bandits, they made such that quite worthy people immediately wanted to go there. And they still strive there. And the monarch is far away, although not to say that it is purely symbolic. The main thing is that they did it!
                  1. +2
                    4 August 2021 23: 15
                    Quote: depressant
                    After all, they could have made a pirate country, at the same time killing each other.


                    And were there such precedents among gentlemen?

                    Quote: depressant
                    But being thugs


                    If you mean that they were in prisons, then Lenin and Stalin were there too. Those. this is not an indicator.
                    1. +1
                      4 August 2021 23: 24
                      Tortuga, help you! laughing Pirate? Filibuster? Corsair? But not law-abiding sovereign. Partly.
              3. +2
                4 August 2021 23: 11
                Good evening, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
                Quote: depressant
                Well, look. The British exiled criminals to Australia. So something like Haiti should have arisen there, right? But among the exiled there were those who, out of a heap of evil, created a worthy state, themselves being little worthy. Made good out of evil.

                Invalid comparison. From the word completely ...
                If we take all the countries of the British Commonwealth, the picture will not be so blissful.
                So, offhand: Australia, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belize, Botswana, Brunei, Vanuatu, Great Britain, Guyana, Ghana, Grenada, Dominica, Zambia, India, Cameroon, Canada, Cyprus, Kenya, Kiribati, Lesotho , Mauritius, Malawi, Malaysia, Malta, Mozambique, Namibia, Nauru, Nigeria, New Zealand, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Rwanda, Samoa, Eswatini, Seychelles, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saint Lucia, Singapore.
                The metropolitan authorities (in fact) left behind their administration, since the white population of Australia was the same citizens of the British Empire. That did not prevent them from completely exterminating endemic species of animals, simultaneously declaring the Maori cannibals in New Zealand. Aborigines need not be mentioned.
                But!
                The economic ties of the United Kingdom with Australia were the main locomotive of the economy of the fifth continent until the beginning of the so-called. globalization.
                1. +1
                  4 August 2021 23: 29
                  Good night! Administration? I agree. But convicts? They were not deprived of British citizenship? hi
                  1. +1
                    4 August 2021 23: 43
                    Quote: Phil77
                    But convicts? They were not deprived of British citizenship?

                    I will not say 100%, but the percentage of convicts was far from transcendental. Someone rode into the distance voluntarily, on free bread, away from the all-seeing eye of the police. Someone must also maintain state infrastructures - both protect and feed the population, build houses and roads. Despite the industrial revolution, the population of the Tin Islands for the most part lived from hand to mouth in the 1939th - 1940th centuries. That is, the desire not to starve drove ordinary people in Britain to places where the problem of malnutrition was not acute. Remember the famous underwater blockade of the Kriegsmarine in XNUMX-XNUMX. Then in Westminster Abbey, instead of flower beds, potatoes were planted. Hunger is not an aunt. Australia today is an exporter of cereals, and wheat in particular. The climate favors ...
                    1. +2
                      4 August 2021 23: 53
                      Valentin Ilyich? Nice, damn it! Sergei.
                      So I’m talking about the same thing! About freedom! What drove our "pioneers" at the time of land development.
                      1. +2
                        5 August 2021 00: 05
                        Good evening, Sergey!
                        hi
                        So yes - personal freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins.
                        And the vertical of power is present in every state. But I haven’t heard about the mass migrations to our Far East to the promised hectare of freedom ... lol
                        The reason is banal - we are slaves of our habits: a warm latrine (with a gold) or faience toilet bowl, with access to the benefits of civilization in the form of an Internet and good roads, good personal transport that gives pleasure when driving along the mentioned road.
                        After all, we live "under the yoke" of the vertical of power, which gives us the right to choose - relative or absolute freedom. But here, too, one should not be mistaken. It is known that in the most remote regions the taiga is the law, and the bear is the prosecutor ...
                      2. +2
                        5 August 2021 00: 18
                        Eh, to reach this taiga, eh ?!
                      3. 0
                        5 August 2021 00: 20
                        It’s scary, scary to live in ... the Motherland, which the ancestors defended. Scary.
                2. +2
                  4 August 2021 23: 32
                  Valentin Ilyich! Good evening! hi )))
                  You, of course, are right in many ways, although one can argue)))
                  But, unfortunately, I am tired. If tomorrow we have the strength to continue this topic, we'll talk)))
                  1. +1
                    5 August 2021 00: 59
                    Find strength! We are waiting, sir. Always with you !!!
          3. +3
            4 August 2021 23: 12
            "Until we learn to follow the laws, we will be as it is now."

            And what, may I ask, will change when we start to follow the laws?
            Haven't you heard of pension reform when it was adopted?
            Been for? I think no.
            Has anyone noticed what you are against? I think no.
            Someone somehow regretted not noticing your opposition?

            What's the use of keeping track of laws?
            Who is interested in what we think? Does it take into account?

            Or watch as "a black hole", I look, but nothing can be done.

            Collect material for an indignant comment?

            It is useless to say A without B ...
  36. +4
    4 August 2021 17: 22
    The pension is the same as probably Naina's, so the set of products does not change from year to year. I remember at the beginning of last year for my "basket" the average check was 600-800 rubles, by the end of the year there were already 1200-1500, in the spring of this year 2000-2200. A couple of days ago I already paid 3000. The set of products does not change, from the word at all.
    1. +1
      4 August 2021 18: 30
      The introduction of a tax on excess profits would quickly solve the problem of price spikes
      1. +1
        4 August 2021 20: 08
        You can find out how the tax will help agriculture.? The state already has enough money. No political will, no will to develop real farming. Why? A modern farmer is not a downtrodden creature, but a politically active citizen who works, but does not allow the state to sit on his neck. But this is our state like a sickle in one place. That's right, so that more obedient, stupid cattle are produced, it is easier to urge them on.Therefore, it's not about taxes
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 20: 44
          Namely, it's not about taxes. To discuss here "what and how" is useless, everyone understands everything perfectly. They hope that the authorities in the country will hear this ... Yes
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 21: 07
            Well, revolution is generally the last thing
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 21: 27
              Oh, Sergei! Does the current regime hear this thought? Are they capable of evolution? Do they think about the country? Or, is everything simpler? "There is such a profession to plunder the Motherland."
          2. +1
            4 August 2021 21: 18
            You know, behind the owners of THOSE owners of palaces were at least the names and history of births. Over the current ones? Thirty years of plundering and plundering their own country. Well, yes! In fact, you are right. The tension is that Lenin is simply not there today, as well as ideas capable of taking over the masses of the people. And there are people who are utterly indebted to whom it is simply impossible to twitch once again. Perhaps this is the origin of some opatization of the population? Probably they did not reach the edge? But it’s already close.
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 21: 30
              Quote: Phil77
              The tension is that Lenin today simply does not exist, as well as ideas capable of taking over the masses of the people.


              So there is no Lenin or theory? Lenin seemed to have taken possession of the masses by theory, which, as it were, remained. Although if a specific person is needed to use the theory, there may be something wrong with the theory.
              1. +1
                4 August 2021 21: 42
                Lenin had, first of all, a party. Bearers and agitators of this theory. Those who carried it to the masses. Now? Strain. And yes! Do you know a lot of people who are interested in the idea of ​​communism today?
                1. +1
                  4 August 2021 21: 55
                  Quote: Phil77
                  Lenin had, first of all, a party. Bearers and agitators of this theory. Those who carried it to the masses. Now? Strain. And yes! Do you know a lot of people who are interested in the idea of ​​communism today?


                  Those. theory is not working in practice? Well, just a few options. Either people are massively satisfied with capitalism, or the theory does not work, or people do not understand exactly how the theory works. The second and third points are actually equivalent in their meaning.
                  1. +2
                    4 August 2021 22: 16
                    Stop. Stop, buddy. Do you mean today? Today there is a certain crisis in the carriers of this theory. For? Rogues! As you would say in the eighteenth century. laughing It is banal. But there is no hero! As my friend Alexander / e100 / says - "there is no personality in history!"
                    1. +1
                      4 August 2021 22: 26
                      Quote: Phil77
                      "there is no personality in history!"


                      So you decide what is needed in this case: personality or theory? And then you know, after the Queen, flights into space did not end at once, for the reason that there is no person of a comparable scale.
                      1. +1
                        4 August 2021 22: 30
                        Come on, both are IMPORTANT! hi
                      2. +1
                        4 August 2021 22: 32
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Come on, both are IMPORTANT! hi


                        What for? You understand that a working scientific theory cannot be linked to a specific person.
                      3. +1
                        4 August 2021 22: 43
                        Communism is not a scientific theory. And yes, it is connected precisely with the person who embodies it in practice, however, like any theory is connected with its creator. Lenin is great in that he tried to implement it in practice. It turned out? Alas, no. Why? There are many reasons . First of all, the historical resource for its implementation. Little time, alas.
                      4. +1
                        4 August 2021 22: 47
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Communism is not a scientific theory.


                        It's enough. The plane flies precisely because physics is a science. And not because some large-scale personality inspires.
                      5. +2
                        4 August 2021 23: 15
                        Don't mix. Communism ... and the airplane. Even it became funny myself, do not blame me! laughing
                        Although! Stop! It was! In the "Spanish version" of Semyonov! Remember when Stirlitz compared Nazism with riding a motorcycle?!?!
                      6. 0
                        4 August 2021 23: 22
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Don't mix communism ... and the airplane.


                        But both are products of theory. Communism as a system of social organization, a product of one theory. The plane is a product of a different theory. The plane is flying, communism is not.
                      7. 0
                        4 August 2021 23: 22
                        In such an analogy, the plane should have been flying even with the dinosaurs.
                        Yes, the person who invented him needed something, and only then, having settled down and multiplying, the "plane" began to fly regardless of the personality.
                        Here also
                      8. -1
                        4 August 2021 23: 26
                        Quote: Revival
                        In such an analogy, the plane should have been flying even with the dinosaurs.


                        Of course no. Because building an aircraft requires a technological base, personnel and much more. There was nothing like this with the dinosaurs.

                        Quote: Revival
                        Yes, the person who invented him needed something, and only then, having settled down and multiplying, the "plane" began to fly regardless of the personality.


                        Personality did not "invent" the plane, but built it according to a rigorous scientific theory. That is why the plane flies. Because it is built taking into account the really operating laws of nature.

                        Quote: Revival
                        Here also


                        "Here" is not the same. "Here" is Lenin as a person and his teaching. Lenin is long gone and the doctrine is now in fact not embodied in any society in the world. Accordingly, questions arise about the efficiency of the theory.
                      9. +1
                        4 August 2021 23: 38
                        Well, as far as theory is concerned, Lenin is a brilliant embodiment of Marx's ideas, no? Again, it rests against a question of time and .... individuals! Embodying this idea. Question: Why everything worked under Stalin, but not under Khrushchev. Why under Brezhnev we spoke "you" with the capitalist countries, and under Gorbachev only happily And you say the role of personality in history!
                      10. 0
                        4 August 2021 23: 45
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Well, as far as theory is concerned, Lenin is a brilliant embodiment of Marx's ideas, no?


                        A brilliant embodiment is when the plane flies and does not fall. Even on one engine.

                        Quote: Phil77
                        Working capacity? Again, it runs into a question of time and .... personalities!


                        Time and personalities are not specific concepts. What exactly is lacking in order for the theory to be implemented in practice, which, as usual, will be the criterion of truth?

                        Quote: Phil77
                        And you say the role of personality in history!


                        If a person is necessary for a system to work, then it is not a system.
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                        5 August 2021 00: 05
                        The plane flew and did not fall until the 91-year. The plane flew and did not fall in the most difficult years of the war. The plane flew and did not fall until 1953. Why do you think? And it depended on the PERSONALITY of who embodied the idea. Do you think you could , yes, what a sin, and I, today. Go into the trenches under the ideas of Putin, Rotenberg, and others ????? And what ideas are they able to give us? It's never Tatra with its enemies of the Communists, " but just think, eh? buddy!
                      12. -1
                        5 August 2021 00: 20
                        Quote: Phil77
                        The plane flew and did not fall until the 91st year.


                        Why do you identify the USSR and communism, if communism was not built in the USSR either officially or in fact?

                        Quote: Phil77
                        And it depended on the PERSONALITY of the ONE who embodied the idea.


                        Capitalism as a system now works in numerous states without any large-scale personalities.
                      13. 0
                        5 August 2021 00: 31
                        Because it was just an attempt! To build something like that! The USSR? Excuse me, but did you live in the USSR?
                      14. +1
                        6 August 2021 13: 46
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Because it was just an attempt! To build something like that! The USSR? Excuse me, but did you live in the USSR?


                        Communism was not built in the USSR. Neither de jure nor de facto.

                        Quote: Phil77
                        Excuse me, but did you live in the USSR?


                        Lived, but what does this have to do with our conversation? Even if I had not lived in the USSR, I would have had no reason to declare that communism was built in the USSR. Because this is not true and it does not matter whether someone likes this fact or not.
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                        5 August 2021 00: 35
                        Capitalism as a system? What is it? Without a "transnational", eh? Do you understand what system they built? Do you know what the WTO is ???? You know what the WHO is? Greenpeace in the end, eh ?
                      16. 0
                        6 August 2021 13: 48
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Capitalism as a system? What is it? Without a "transnational", eh? Do you understand what system they built? Do you know what the WTO is ???? You know what the WHO is? Greenpeace in the end, eh ?


                        Yes, I know. But why are all these hints? If you want to say something specific, speak directly, and do not just give the impression that you have something to say, but for some unknown reason you do not say it.
                      17. 0
                        5 August 2021 02: 38
                        What countries are you talking about?
                        Selectively?
                        Bangladesh also has capitalism, would you like to go there?
                        Capitalism is different, it works in different ways, so to speak ...
                        A lot of capitalism, few people like
                      18. -1
                        5 August 2021 02: 40
                        Yes, here we, as it were, say, capitalism works, without large-scale personalities.
                        And How?
                        Norm?
                      19. +1
                        6 August 2021 13: 53
                        Quote: Revival
                        Yes, here we, as it were, say, capitalism works, without large-scale personalities.
                        And How?
                        Norm?


                        Yes, those for whom the capitalist system works have all the rules.
                        If I say that capitalism works, I am thus stating the fact of the stability of capitalism as a system, but I am not saying that I like capitalism.

                        To interpret the words of the interlocutor in a defamatory key, for example, to understand the words of the interlocutor that capitalism works as if the interlocutor said that he likes capitalism as a system, means using methods from the arsenal of sophistry. Sophistry is a collection of vile, fraudulent discussion techniques.
                      20. 0
                        5 August 2021 00: 49
                        Time and personality! Not a specific concept? Ha! Yes! And what if they are an identification, eh? Here is one and the same concept? Stalin-Khrushchev, Brezhnev-Keneddy. Gorbachev-Clinton. Historical series is not historical? But this is an example! wink
            2. +3
              5 August 2021 17: 20
              The tension is that Lenin today simply does not exist, as well as ideas capable of taking over the masses of the people.

              I remember the words of my mother-in-law, a native of Chernihiv region "in 1991, addressed to the protesters - Dita, are you robyte, another Lanin vzhe ne bude
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                5 August 2021 18: 48
                wise woman.
  37. +1
    5 August 2021 03: 22
    All this is intentional. Specially. Remember how they created an artificial shortage of everything in the late USSR of everything and everyone. The same song. Someone wants from us.
  38. +1
    5 August 2021 18: 46
    well, that is, the government does not correspond to the position held. Because they serve retailers, agricultural holdings, banks, and anyone else, but not the people. Like the deputies, like the president. As well as the capitalist system in Russia in general. And all this needs to be changed. Unfortunately, it will hardly be possible without a civil war, and its consequences can be extremely grave and unpredictable.
  39. 0
    6 August 2021 18: 56
    Simple people are getting poorer, there are more and more militiamen!
  40. +1
    5 October 2021 18: 47
    If only once Rosstat showed how its inflation turns out to be 7%, while prices for almost everything rise by tens of percent.