The tragedy of Nikolai Pavlovich

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The tragedy of Nikolai Pavlovich

The third son of the unhappy emperor Paul was not prepared for reign, but it so happened that Alexander had no children, and Constantine abdicated the throne.

By that time, Russia was in the position of a brilliant catastrophe, which, on the one hand, was obvious to any knowledgeable person, on the other hand, it was absolutely not obvious to the population.



The emperor's grandmother, Catherine, was, of course, an enlightened empress, but it was under her that serfdom actually turned into slavery, and corruption acquired frightening proportions. And, visiting the palaces of her nobles, one must understand - for whose money and on whose bones they are built. The situation was saved by bread, more precisely - the fertile lands of Novorossiya and the Southern Territory as a whole, but this resource had exhausted itself by the end of her reign.

Pavel Petrovich tried to put things in order, but he could not, and he acted not that unambiguously, trying to play on chivalry: both in internal politics and in external politics. As a result, he was killed by supporters of “living like under Catherine the Great,” that is, dividing the peasants by tens of thousands of souls, stealing soldiers and money from the army and not being responsible for anything.

Alexander P.


Alexander Pavlovich ...

Being a participant in the conspiracy, in fact a paricide, he understood how illusory his power was, and did not rush reforms. And there was no time for them, the Napoleonic wars were raging in Europe, and in 1812 the country received a terrible blow. We won the Patriotic War and reached Paris, that's a fact. But what was it worth?

Inflation, banknotes were no longer perceived for money, the ruin of entire regions, and as a result Arakcheev's idiotic reform with the creation of military settlements, after which the previously relatively prosperous state peasants began to envy the downtrodden landowners.

Passions were also seething among the nobility: someone wanted it as before under Catherine, someone wanted severity - as under Peter, someone - as in France and aimed at the Bonaparte, and someone, in general, dreamed of America with a republic and democracy ... As a result - numerous circles and conspiracies, the Decembrists of which are only the most famous.

And now Alexander dies, not in the capital, and leaving the abdication of Konstantin Pavlovich a secret. It is so secret that even the 29-year-old heir, who was the first to swear allegiance to the abdicated Constantine, did not know about it.

Nikolay Pavlovich


Nicholas inherited a difficult legacy, and the very first difficulties happened on the day of his accession - the Decembrist uprising. In fact, despite all the programs and slogans, it was a typical uprising of the era of palace coups, when the guards officers themselves decided which way to go for the state, and the country was not ready for their flight of fancy. Fortunately, Nikolai passed his first exam and suppressed the uprising. Moreover, he suppressed it rather humanely: only five people went to the gallows, which for those times was nonsense.

And then the slow and painstaking work began to reform the state machine and the economy. It is best illustrated by reforms. This is the codification of laws (the Code of Laws of the Russian Empire removed the contradictions and put the law above the emperor), the silver ruble and its firm course in relation to banknotes (Kankrin reform), constant reforms of the state apparatus, including the creation of the School of Law (those same chizhik-pyzhiks) for training of senior officials and a number of technical educational institutions, the creation of the Third Department of His Imperial Majesty's own Chancellery, which not only caught Herzen and spread rot liberals, but was engaged in counterintelligence, investigating the atrocities of landowners against peasants (200 estates were arrested, the sale of peasants without land was prohibited), catching counterfeiters and others such that those who talk about Nikolai Palkin do not like to remember.


And then there was the peasant question - and Nicholas gradually led to the abolition of serfdom. But not the way it happened in real life, when his young and inexperienced son was bent on robbery with the peasants buying out their own land in a half-century mortgage, but with the search for options and solutions. Thirty years was not enough for this, but the question was not easy - an attempt to "offend" the nobles could lead to a repetition of Paul's fate, and an attempt not to decide - to economic stagnation. Power, in fact, went along a thin blade, on both sides of which there is an abyss.

It was interesting with the economy - under Nicholas, 350 steamboats were built on the Volga alone (about a thousand in total), the first railways were built, the mechanization of production and the creation of new industries is under way, metal smelting has doubled, but this was not enough. The rearmament of the army was delayed and fleet, there were also problems with logistics.

But there is one detail in all this - we lagged behind (and strongly) from Britain and a little from France. The rest of Russia could smash: either one by one or in a crowd. Simply put, Russia was only third in the world. With the heirs, liberal and not so, we smoothly dive into sixth place, and the "shame" of the Crimean War with a local defeat from the whole of Europe will be replaced by "achievements" in the war with Japan and the First World War.

Foreign policy


In general, Nikolai Pavlovich's foreign policy is a succession of successes without overstressing the state.


1. 1826-1828. The Persian War as part of the Great Game with Great Britain. The Persians were defeated, Yerevan became Russian, the Armenian region was created, Persia was imposed with indemnity. The same Persia who started the war and who, after going for wool, returned shorn.

2. 1828-1829 years. Russian-Turkish war. And again, it was not we who started the war - the Ottomans blocked the straits after the Battle of Navarino. And again - the Turks are beaten both on land and at sea, the Black Sea coast of Russia has lengthened, the Danube delta has passed to us. Istanbul recognized the autonomy of Greece, Serbia, Moldavia and Wallachia.

3 - suppression of the Polish uprising. The Kingdom of Poland, which has its own army, constitution, governor (in fact, the monarch Konstantin Petrovich, oh, Alexander would have been nicknamed insane in another country for encouraging separatism in the outskirts). Suppressed within a year, and the Poles did not have any gangs, but quite a European army (about 1832 thousand people) with a bunch of veterans who fought for Napoleon. As a result, a quick victory and an organic statute that made Poland a part of the Empire not only de jure, but also de facto.

4. Hungarian War. The suppression of the Hungarian uprising is seen as a kind of gendarme operation of a strangler of freedoms and a tyrant against the poor Hungarians, but it was precisely that war against a 200-strong army. And the reasons were serious - these were the obligations under the Holy Union, and the unwillingness to have a revolutionary state on the border (the memory of Napoleon was alive, and Jacobinism sounded synonymous with Nazism in our times), and the active flirtation of the Hungarians with the Poles (there were Polish units in the Hungarian army - rioters). And we lost only 700 people in this war.

5. Caucasian War. More precisely, a series of operations against the Caucasian peoples (mainly Chechens), who, with the support of England and the Ottoman Empire, tried to create in the Caucasus a kind of analogue of an Islamic state of extreme persuasion. It moved slowly, in parallel with the settlement of the territories and quite successfully, without straining forces and without laying the soldiers in batches.

Separately, the unfortunate Crimean War, which became the tragedy of Nikolai Pavlovich and his only major mistake during his entire reign. It was the defeat in this war that brought the emperor to his grave, although the disaster somehow did not happen.

There were four theaters of military operations, in the North - the British did not manage to take the Solovetsky Monastery, in the Baltic - to break through to Petrograd, and Victoria, like the robbery of fishermen by British paratroopers and a dozen and a half raped chukhonki did not count. The capture of the Aland Islands and the unfinished Russian fortress on their territory showed the British one thing - it’s not worth it, the losses will multiply exceed the result. In the Far East, in Petropavlovsk, it also turned out inconveniently, and the assault by the troops of the four powers of Sevastopol, with complete domination at sea with wild losses, does not pull the result.

As a result, the Russian troops did not leave either Crimea or even Sevastopol and were ready to continue the hostilities. All the same, the plans to seize the Crimea and Novorossiya went to the trash, even the French battleships did not help.


Why


And yet why?

Why did you make a mistake and did not calculate?

Why was the result perceived as a disaster?

It's simple - Russia for thirty years got used to being a superpower, to have a decisive voice in a European concert and to win. And the very idea that Europe would take up arms against Petersburg because of the Turks, whom it dreamed of taking away, seemed wild. And the perception proceeds from the same reasons - the Russian society was not ready for defeat, even from England and France with Sardinia (in fact, Italy) and with the tacit support of Austria-Hungary. We are used to being a superpower, but it turned out that we are weak, Europe can en masse capture half of the Russian fortress and the naval base.

And if it were not for the mistake in foreign policy that caused this unhappy war, then much could have gone differently, primarily in the peasant issue, and therefore in the economy and society as a whole. But story does not know the subjunctive mood. And this is the tragedy of the most calm and stable rule in the history of the Russian Empire, when victories were not achieved by overstretching of forces, and the expansion of the Empire did not lead to internal decline and corruption.
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  1. +8
    4 August 2021 04: 18
    The author, correct the mistake in the title of the paragraph and in the text itself, not Alexander Petrovich, but Alexander Pavlovich. recourse
    1. +8
      4 August 2021 08: 32
      There are many such blunders and not only in this article.
      I noticed that the authors on VO have been inattentive in recent years.
      The reason I think is in a hurry, or pressure from above.
      1. +12
        4 August 2021 08: 48
        It is surprising that the author did not mention the campaign of the Eastern War in Turkish Armenia and Adjara, when Muravyov's troops again took Kars, Bayazet and Batumi. And at the Paris Conference, in fact, our diplomacy exchanged Kars for Sevastopol.
    2. 0
      4 August 2021 18: 44
      Alexander Petrovich

      Alexander Petrovich ...

      Yes, I specially reviewed the genealogical tree of the Romanovs (I thought I didn't know something). Alexander Palych was with us.
      The rest of the article is interesting, although for me (who knows the history) the information is not new.
      Thank you all the same to the author!
  2. +11
    4 August 2021 04: 23
    A very interesting figure on the chessboard of the History of the Fatherland. Nikolay the First. Sentry Fatherland. He called himself that. There is no time now, but I will tell you about this Emperor, what I learned for my life. By the way, why did Constantine abdicate the throne after all? I did not find any exact data, as well as on the composition of the Synod in 1876.
    1. +4
      4 August 2021 06: 32
      Quote: Andrey Mansurov
      By the way, why did Constantine abdicate the throne after all?

      as far as I remember, a marriage for love.
      1. 0
        5 August 2021 01: 11
        Unconfirmed version. Are there links to storage addresses? But how many Konstantinovsky rubles were minted? So for some reason they have already begun to mint (One of the most expensive coins). Why were they minted? This period was later called 25 days without a reign. Do you know the further fate of Constantine? With links to storage addresses. Me only indirectly. This is unsubstantiated.
    2. +2
      4 August 2021 07: 09
      Quote: Andrey Mansurov
      By the way, why did Constantine abdicate the throne after all?

      He was afraid of his father's fate.
      1. +8
        4 August 2021 07: 36
        At the same time, Constantine himself did not want to reign and added: "They will strangle me as they strangled my father"; On January 14, 1823, Constantine, referring to the morganatic marriage with the Polish Countess Grudzinskaya (although the addition to the decrees on the imperial surname, presented in the Imperial Manifesto of March 20 (April 1) 1820 [10] and preventing the inheritance of the throne by children from an unequal marriage, did not personally deprived him of the right to the throne) and inability to govern, renounced the throne in writing.
        1. +4
          4 August 2021 08: 01
          Quote: Andy
          “They will strangle me as they strangled my father”;

          Sobsno, and I'm talking about it.
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 08: 03
            I double-checked my knowledge. and yes - about the fear of what you said and about marriage. I took the link from the wiki in a hurry. The question is who gave you a minus and for what. I will interrupt with a plus for the sake of justice
            1. +2
              4 August 2021 08: 38
              Quote: Andy
              the question is who gave you a minus

              I have "loyal fans" :)))
              1. +2
                4 August 2021 12: 57
                "Shura, darling, please restore the" status quo! "(C)" Golden Calf. " laughing
    3. 0
      4 August 2021 18: 49
      Well, in fiction in many different works, they say the same thing: "I organically do not see myself on the throne, I don’t want to, so if you please without me"
      In other words, but the meaning was this.
  3. +9
    4 August 2021 04: 51
    Thirty years was not enough for this
    Who does this remind me of? laughing
    In general, Nikolai, with his terry conservatism, himself brought him to defeat in the Crimean War. No, he started well. But then he rested on his laurels. The result is a lag in rearmament of both the army and the navy. And the heroism of the Russian soldier alone cannot win a big war. In Kamchatka, thank God, Zavoiko happened, but in Crimea, Menshchikov happened. The result is known.
    1. +19
      4 August 2021 05: 29
      Yes, not you alone, this all something very strongly reminds ... No matter how the consequences of this all are the same. and hundreds and hundreds of Russian soldiers, sailors and ordinary peaceful people were really lucky for you there, in the Far East, with which I sincerely and cordially congratulate all of us.
    2. +6
      4 August 2021 07: 01
      he started well.
      And I think that the railway track, different from the European one, saved Russia in 1914 and 1941.
      1. 0
        20 September 2021 04: 06
        This is a legend.
        We changed the track to "non-European" after the sale of Alaska.
    3. +4
      4 August 2021 07: 10
      Quote: Dalny V
      Nikolay with his terry conservatism

      Nikolai did not have terry conservatism.
      Yes, he had a leap about the divinity of the power of the monarch, which prevented him from correctly reacting to the Hungarian uprising and declaring himself emperor of Napoleon III.
      1. +3
        4 August 2021 07: 59
        Quote: SVD68
        prevented him from properly reacting to the Hungarian uprising

        He reacted normally. A letter to his brother VK Mikhail Pavlovich has survived, in which he wrote approximately the following:
        Have you heard that in Hungary slaves began to slaughter their lords? It would be good, but I'm afraid it will spread to us ..

        Be that as it may, Austria remained neutral during the war, but who would Hungary stand for if she were free is a big question!
        1. +4
          4 August 2021 10: 07
          I am afraid that the Hungarians would have supported the Poles, as in the Second World War they supported Hitler.
        2. +5
          4 August 2021 15: 12
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          Be that as it may, Austria remained neutral during the war, but who would Hungary stand for if she were free is a big question!

          A good neutral - because of whose demands Russia had to leave the Danube principalities (which the Austrians immediately entered).
          Austria's neutrality during the Crimean War was similar to Japan's neutrality in WWII - it was supported solely by the presence of two Russian armies on the other side of the border.
          Rediger had 144 infantry battalions and 97 cavalry squadrons in Poland, Gorchakov on the Dniester had 149 battalions and 203 squadrons, Menshikov in Crimea - 169 battalions and 79 squadrons, in the Baltic - 230 battalions and 119 squadrons.

          Here is the position of the head of the AVI for 1854:
          Despite all the political complications, I do not lose courage, and in my opinion, if we act bravely and energetically, then this Eastern turmoil promises us certain benefits. Our future is in the east, and we will drive the power and influence of Russia into those limits beyond which it went only because of the weakness [Metternich!] And confusion in our camp. Slowly, preferably imperceptibly for Tsar Nicholas, but surely, we will bring Russian politics to the point of collapse. Of course, it is not good to oppose old friends, but in politics it cannot be otherwise, and our natural enemy in the east is Russia. We are afraid of the revolution, but if something happens we will cope with it without Russia. A country that can simultaneously call in 200 soldiers and only make an internal loan of 000 million guilders is not so dangerously ill with the revolutionary contagion. First of all, you have to be an Austrian, and regardless of the personality of Tsar Nicholas, I rejoice at the current weakness of Russia.
          © Franz Joseph
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 15: 54
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Good neutral

            And if hostilities began, would it be better?
            Quote: Alexey RA
            it was supported exclusively by the presence of two Russian armies

            And the story is the same with the Prussians. But Sardinia, which has no claims to Russia at all, sent troops to Crimea. Was it necessary for Hungary to open another front?
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 17: 21
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              And the story is the same with the Prussians. But Sardinia, which has no claims to Russia at all, sent troops to Crimea. Was it necessary for Hungary to open another front?

              Austria, with its "neutrality", pulled off 63% of the infantry and 79% of the cavalry in the Southern and Central theaters. This is actually a "second front".
              1. +1
                4 August 2021 18: 16
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Austria, with its "neutrality", pulled off 63% of the infantry and 79% of the cavalry in the Southern and Central theaters. This is actually a "second front".

                In any case, these troops would have stood there, simply due to the fact that in the Crimea they could barely cope with the supply of already existing soldiers. More logistics would not have pulled. request
          2. +1
            4 August 2021 16: 08
            The question is - how would reinforcements be transported to the Crimean Polurstrov?
            On foot?
            And how long would this "transfer" of reinforcements last?
            1. +2
              4 August 2021 17: 24
              Quote: hohol95
              The question is - how would reinforcements be transported to the Crimean Polurstrov?
              On foot?
              And how long would this "transfer" of reinforcements last?

              Austria did not need Crimea. Her military plan included strikes on Odessa and Kiev.
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 18: 24
                If Austria and Prussia had not "plotted" against Russia, how would the battalions you indicated have been transferred to reinforce the troops in the Crimea?
                And could these additional troops be supplied at the new location?
                1. 0
                  4 August 2021 19: 31
                  Quote: hohol95
                  If Austria and Prussia had not "plotted" against Russia, how would the battalions you indicated have been transferred to reinforce the troops in the Crimea?
                  And could these additional troops be supplied at the new location?

                  These troops could attack Istanbul.
                  1. 0
                    4 August 2021 19: 40
                    What territory?
                    Through the Balkans or perhaps along the Caucasus ridges of those old times?
                    What a little ...
                    We got up and went to Istanbul.
                    1. 0
                      5 August 2021 08: 00
                      Quote: hohol95
                      What territory?
                      Through the Balkans or perhaps along the Caucasus ridges of those old times?
                      What a little ...
                      We got up and went to Istanbul.

                      Through Bulgaria from the territory of the Danubian principalities, as they gathered before the Austrian ultimatum.
                      1. 0
                        5 August 2021 14: 21
                        How easy it is. Gathered but not gathered.
        3. +2
          4 August 2021 19: 43
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          He reacted normally

          Or he could have waited until Hungary defeated Austria, and then "defend" the Czechs, Slovaks, Rusyns, Romanians, Slovenes, Croats and even Austrians from the Hungarians.
    4. +6
      4 August 2021 09: 07
      Quote: Far In
      And the heroism of the Russian soldier alone cannot win a big war. In Kamchatka, thank God, Zavoiko happened, but Menshchikov happened in Crimea. The result is known.

      Initially, thank God that the Governor-General of Eastern Siberia N.N. Muravyov, without wiping his pants, 7-8 years before the defense of Petropavlovsk, personally visited the Petropavlovsk port, worked out a plan of military actions in case of attempts to capture it, recommended the former "head of the port" Mishin where to install batteries for the defense. Repeatedly reported to the government in St. Petersburg on the expediency of developing Kamchatka, strengthening its presence and defense. Achieved only the status of a separate area. If I am not mistaken, he appointed V.S. Zavoiko, undoubtedly energetic and talented, organizer, military leader, sailor and researcher. To all this, the "embarrassment" that occurred with the cross-fire of the commander of the united squadron Rear Admiral D. Price, in Kamchatka and buried, did not greatly raise the morale of the enemies.
    5. -1
      4 August 2021 18: 56
      Here, in my opinion, the general tendency of Europe (in the minority) and Russia (in full) is that the generals were preparing for the "last war."
      The victory in the Napoleonic wars has reinforced in the minds of the old people that "this is the way to fight, because we won!"
      The new tactics of war made adjustments, or rather, new weapons made changes in tactics.
      The empire at this time rested on the laurels of the "gendarme of Europe".
    6. +1
      5 August 2021 10: 18
      Well, they give you comparisons of the results of the Crimean, Russian-Japanese and World War I. It turns out that Nicholas's post was even worse
  4. +6
    4 August 2021 05: 13
    The tragedy of Nikolai Pavlovich

    - Personally, I absolutely disagree with the author of this "essay" ...
    - Only one Crimean War of 1853-1856 brought to naught everything allegedly "achievements under Nikolai Pavlovich", which the author tried to present here ... - True, this was almost the final of the reign of Nicholas I ... - But it was a rather inept policy ( internal and external), carried out during the reign of Nicholas I ... - and became a kind of "apotheosis" of this "policy and reign" - this is the Crimean War shamefully lost by Russia ...
    - And the long and very unsuccessful, lasting several decades, war in the Caucasus ... - what is that ??? - That's how the same Britain would "fight" in India ... - So, after a few years of such a "war", Britain would have already "gone down the drain", despite all its "economic development" and "technical advancement" "...
    - And under Nicholas I, the "groundwork" was made for the fact that you can "take your time", for decades not to take any special measures and not to rush anywhere ... - just everything will "dissolve" by itself and "everything will be done by itself" ... - This is how everything went on and on in Russia afterwards ...
    - Here you can completely differently judge the policy and all actions of Tsar Peter I; but now, if he would “sit on the doorstep of Russia” like this and wait “when the defeated enemies begin to be carried past,” then ... then ... then ... - The same thing happened during the reign of Catherine II and so on and so on ..
    - So it was under Nicholas I that the "policy of state hibernation of Russia" began ...
    - Damn ... - as many as 30 years of this "hibernation" !!! - Yes, during this time it was possible .... !!!
    - But then in Russia there were "Narodnaya Volya", various revolutionary societies and circles; all sorts of "labor emancipation groups"; "terrorist bombers"; "chernyshevtsy" and so on and so on ...
    1. 0
      4 August 2021 06: 44
      the author of the rights that they lagged behind the west, that there were miscalculations, but not as under nicholas2 ... the empire collapsed on the day this passion-sufferer reigned - during his reign the industry did not really work, the armies were not supplied normally and suffered continuous defeats, and with all this splendor, the insane king was looking for adventure in the form of RYAV and PMV1 ...
      1. +2
        4 August 2021 09: 47
        To be fair. "I was looking for adventure in RYAV and PMV1" you have a mistake: Nicholas 2 was not looking for adventure in World War 1, Russia was dragged into WWI. Germany in any case would declare war on Russia: the German ambassador had 2 notes in his hands with a different reason for the war. I read about this at Martirosyan and on the website
        1. 0
          9 August 2021 07: 31
          Let's be fair - in RI before WWI there was also a very influential party of "hawks".
          1. 0
            9 August 2021 07: 50
            "hawks" are always and everywhere
      2. +2
        4 August 2021 11: 30
        armies were not supplied normally

        What is the abnormality of the supply of the Russian army in the Russo-Japanese war? Wouldn't it bother you to explain?
        - there was not enough food, the army was starving?
        - lacked uniforms and equipment?
        - there was not enough ammunition, there was nothing to shoot with?
        - were small arms and artillery weapons outdated and inferior to Japanese ones?
        What, please specify.
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 15: 59
          Look for info about the prl zhd. How the fortifications were built. In Port Arthur, for example, out of 10 10-inch guns, only 5 were installed ... etc.
          1. +3
            4 August 2021 16: 17
            - By the beginning of the war, the Transsib was a single-track and through Baikal were ferries transported goods and people? Do you mean it? But even in this form, this branch was able to provide a full-fledged warfare, the transfer of reserves and supplies. The grouping of troops was increased several times and it did not experience any critical or even noticeable shortage of supplies.
            The Transsib is a very complex, huge-scale infrastructure project (one of the most useful in the modern history of Russia) - for some reason, Nicholas II does not receive much credit for its construction and launch.
            How the fortifications were built.
            - slowly and with theft, how else.

            Perhaps it would be more correct to say that the complex of military construction and training in the Far East was not implemented effectively enough. It's not about the supply, as such:
            - lack of a clear understanding of the goals and objectives of the development of the military presence in the region;
            - constant throwing between different projects, scattering of resources;
            - economy of a frankly corrupt nature;
            - underestimation of the nature and degree of external threats;
            Well, traditionally - the complete impotence of the fleet as a fighting force.
            1. +3
              4 August 2021 16: 21
              Equipping batteries with antiquated tools from the time of the "mermaids" does not confuse you?
              1. +1
                4 August 2021 17: 06
                No. Of course, it would be great to use exclusively the latest military equipment, but this never happens anywhere. So the partial use of obsolete technology is inevitable. Actually, the same Japanese did not hesitate to use the ships, which it was time to take them to the museum.
          2. +1
            4 August 2021 17: 39
            Quote: Andy
            How the fortifications were built.

            Economically. sad
            At first, they wanted to move the forts to the Wolf Hills (8 km from the outskirts Port Arthur). Refusal.
            Then the removal of the forts was reduced to 4,5 km. Received a 70-km line, requiring a garrison of 70 thousand and 528 guns. But at the same time, the city was protected from artillery fire. The project was again hacked to death, demanding to limit itself to the existing garrison of 11,3 thousand.
            As a result, we got a line with a length of 19 km with a radius of 4 km. from the harbor... This line did not protect the city from artillery fire, even theoretically.
            ... Fort No. 3 was 2,5 km away from it [the city], and forts No. 4 and 5 were even 1,5 km away from the outskirts of the new city.

            Then they began to economize on the construction of defensive structures.
            First of all, when designing the Port Arthur fortifications, they were based on an official certificate given by the Asian part of the then General Staff, according to which the Japanese assumed the absence of artillery over 15 cm in caliber. To meet the economic conditions, this led to the abandonment of the 1,5-1,8-2,4 m thick concrete vaults of casemated buildings adopted by the engineering department and a reduction in the thickness of the vaults and walls in the Arthurian fortifications by 0,3 m. But during production work, due to the same economic considerations, the local authorities allowed military engineers to reduce the thickness of the vaults by another 0,3 m, and in some places by 0,6 m. other important defense organs turned out to be only 0,91 m.

            And the final blow was struck by funding, stretched out until 1909:
            The cost of all engineering structures was estimated at about 7,5 million rubles; artillery means should have cost almost as much. In general, about 15 million rubles should have been allocated for the construction of Port Arthur Fortress.

            Although the project of the fortress was finally approved in 1900, work began a little earlier. But due to small monetary vacations, the work was not carried out immediately, but were divided into three stages, with the expectation of completing the construction of the entire fortress in 1909. Until 1904, when the Russo-Japanese war broke out, a total of 4,25 were released for defensive work in Port Arthur. , XNUMX million rubles, that is, less than one third of what is needed.

            All quotes are from V.V. Yakovlev. Fortress history.
        2. +2
          4 August 2021 16: 17
          The active army was "supplied" with inaccurate intelligence data about the enemy.
          When retreating to Mukden, the troops suffered from a lack of water.
          The work of the Transsib itself.
          The transfer of an army corps of 30000 people took a month!
          And what was missing ???
          1. +1
            4 August 2021 17: 16
            inaccurate intelligence about the enemy.

            where is the supply?
            When retreating to Mukden, the troops suffered from a lack of water

            how critical was it? how long did it last? have been fixed? I have not seen any mention of deaths from thirst, mass dehydration, or even mass death of horses in any material from the time of the Russian-Japanese period.
            The transfer of an army corps of 30000 people took a month!

            Well, how much do you think it should take to transfer a mass of 30 thousand people with rear and reinforcement means over a distance of several thousand kilometers, taking into account the means of communication of the railway capacities of the early 20th century? even interesting.
            In 2021, a fast passenger train Moscow-Vladivostok is on its way 7 days.
            Here's another example: to transfer 2000 paratroopers with light equipment to Karabakh aviation it took 10 days.
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 18: 00
              ... it took aviation 10 days ...
              How many transport planes were there?
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 18: 43
                I did not find the size of the transport aviation grouping in official sources. I have met the figure "more than two dozen" in the media, but this must be believed with caution.
                There is indirect evidence:
                “On Friday, November 13, eight more military aircraft were sent to Nagorno-Karabakh. Taking into account previous flights, Russia has already sent 42 planes with peacekeepers to the republic, ”the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.
                "... during the transfer, the Il-76 and An-124 military transport aircraft made 250 flights" (this is according to Shoigu on November 21).
                Just compare with the task of transporting a 30th mass of people. Based on the standard carriage "40 people or 8 horses" - 750 cars. In fact, more - we add horses, carts, field kitchens, artillery, equipment, ammunition - more than 1000 wagons in all. Now we break this down into the number of trains. Then we draw up a schedule of movement manually, it is clear that all this mass will stretch along the road. We note that before Baikal everyone needs to unload and either stomp on the ice for 43 miles and load again, or cross the lake by ferries (2 pcs). Yes, people on the way must be fed, including hot food, for which stops are made.
                Finally, the railway is not cleared in the blink of an eye of all other activity - i.e. a bunch of other trains are walking along the tracks.
                From the controls for the entire process described above - the telegraph and, to a limited extent, the telephone.
        3. +5
          4 August 2021 17: 16
          Open Bloodless:
          ... on the eve of the war with Japan, there were 321 rounds of bullets missing.
          The war placed increased demands on the cartridge factories. The military department has established round-the-clock work at the factories. The production volume has tripled.
          The military department also resorted to orders of cartridges abroad. In 1905, 200 million cartridges were ordered in Vienna (1905 million arrived in 58,1 and 1906 million in 142), 260 million were received by the German Society (1905 million arrived in 41 and in 1906 198,3 million) and in Budapest 100 million (1905 million were received in 40 and 1906 million in 65). Thus, the bulk of orders came after the war ended.

          In total, 1276 76 mm field guns took part in the battles, 918 thousand rounds were spent during the war. The shells produced at Russian factories were not enough, so I had to resort to procurement from abroad, which was spent 57 million rubles.

          The stock rate of smokeless powder by the decision of the Military Council in 1888 was established in the amount of 2140 thousand poods. Practically in 1900 there were 1 pounds in stock, and in 324 - 079 pounds.
          During the Russo-Japanese War, the supply of gunpowder immediately melted and it took to order abroad 1500 thousand pounds.
          The army withdrew from the war with Japan, having in stock about 20% of the established norm of gunpowder.

          ... on the Siberian railway it was possible to carry no more than 8-10 pairs of trains per day. This limited the ability to quickly concentrate troops in the Far East.
          The heaviest load of military transport fell on the Siberian road. By November 15, 1905, 1 soldiers and officers, 294 horses, 566 guns, 230 transport carriages with loads were sent to the theater of war. And all this was not enough. The outcome of the war could have been different given the higher carrying capacity of the Siberian Railway - this was the conclusion of a special commission headed by engineer-general N. Petrov, which investigated the state of railways in Russia in 269-2.

          Before the war, very little had been done in the Far Eastern theater to create the necessary food supplies. Additional transfers of quartermaster cargo and ammunition began only at the end of 1903, and food transfers - from May 1904, when the supply plan for the Manchurian army was finally approved.
          Due to interruptions in the delivery of the required amount of food, the troops were often put in a difficult situation.
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 18: 20
            It was pointed out about "fraud" with carriages. And instead of bringing in ammunition, food and other ammunition necessary for the army - carriages filled with vodka or "cute knick-knacks" for the life of officers.
        4. +1
          4 August 2021 18: 21
          The question is not for me, but if you will.
          While the Russians were transferring one corps of spare people along the railway, the Japanese were delivering three corps of personnel officers to the theater of operations by sea. They did not transfer the priority units from the European districts, so as not to paralyze traffic.
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 18: 48
            Many of us stubbornly refuse to understand the advantages of sea communications over land communications. This is true even now: more than 95% of shipments from China to Europe still go by sea, for example. More profitable and more convenient than transporting by land.
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 19: 05
              More profitable by sea. But how was it possible to transfer troops to the Far East by sea? Along the Northern Sea Route?
              And again, everything depends on the presence of ships, their carrying capacity, food for the people being transported. The Japanese were just closer to the theater of operations.
              And, as the Senior Sailor already wrote, the cadre units were on the border with "nice" Europe, and they decided to abandon the reservists against the Japanese. Many of which served with rifles of the Berdan system.
            2. 0
              5 August 2021 10: 40
              Quote: Ryazanets87
              Many of us stubbornly refuse to understand the advantages of sea communications over land communications. This is true even now: more than 95% of shipments from China to Europe still go by sea, for example. More profitable and more convenient than transporting by land.

              It was profitable before the pandemic. Now the cost of delivery for a standard container has increased 5 times, there are not enough ships. Our Russian Railways cannot do normal delivery logistics to be transported through our territory
    2. +3
      4 August 2021 07: 00
      Quote: gorenina91
      - Here you can completely differently judge the policy and all actions of Tsar Peter I;

      Let's evaluate it differently. What state did Peter create? Peter himself ruled in a military dictatorship, so the essence of the state he created was hidden under the form of a military dictatorship. But after, when there were no military dictators, it became clear that the Russian nobility turned into a gentry with their noble freedom and the relegation of serfs to the level of draft animals (cattle).
      Paul I fought against the Russian gentry, but did not understand that Peter I was not a noble knight who carried the nobility along with him, but a military dictator who kept the nobility in check with the help of repression. Because he ended badly.
      Alexander I decided to fight the Russian gentry with education. But the enlightenment was not able to re-educate the Russian gentry.
      Nicholas I from the very beginning found himself forced to go over to a military dictatorship in order to suppress yet another self-will of the Russian gentry. But Nikolai did not rule as a military dictator; he created a civilian bureaucratic apparatus to govern. Nicholas made the transition from a noble state through a military dictatorship to a bureaucratic state.
      1. +2
        4 August 2021 12: 09
        But Nikolai did not rule as a military dictator; he created a civilian bureaucratic apparatus to govern. Nicholas made the transition from a noble state through a military dictatorship to a bureaucratic state.

        - Well, here ... here ... it's hard to say anything definite - which "vegetable" is sweeter ... - "noble state" or "Chichikov state" ...
        - But a military dictatorship for Russia would be just right ... - In general, under a dictatorship in Russia (or rather, with a "rigid vertical of power"), Russia got prosperity ... - But by that time the Russian tsars were no longer able to be dictators ... - the time of "Ivan the Terrible" and "Peter the First" has long passed; and the Russian tsars of the 19th century were too liberal to be dictators ...
        - And Nicholas I was "too liberal" ... - the war in the Caucasus "did not bother him at all" and, most likely ... - he needed it in order to periodically send there "freedom-loving democratically minded youth"; all sorts of "freethinkers", poets ("Lermontovs", etc.) and others, so that they do not become "Decembrists from idleness" .. and so on ... - And what else could Tsar Nicholas I do with the spoiled "majors" of that time ?? ? - Many fathers of these "majors" were the richest and most influential people in Russia, occupying high positions of responsibility in the state apparatus ... - And so ... - I sent these "majors" to the Caucasus (most of them were officers of the Russian army) .. - and let them "have fun" there ... - "catch acute extreme" ...
        - In general, in my opinion ... - it would be better if Leo Tolstoy would describe the events /// - not only the state of Russia and the position of Russian society during the Napoleonic invasion and in the period before it (War and Peace); and would also give a detailed account of the events of the "Crimean War" and the state of Russian society during this period ... - And then Leo Tolstoy's "Sevastopol Tales" (he himself was a participant in those events ... - this is too little for such a "topic ".... -" Themes of the reign of Nicholas I ...
    3. +2
      4 August 2021 07: 10
      Quote: gorenina91
      it is the Crimean War, which Russia has shamefully lost ...

      What's a shameful thing?
      1. +2
        4 August 2021 08: 42
        What's a shameful thing?

        - And the fact that the allegedly "backward and poorly armed Russian army" could simply throw the British and French into the sea with bayonet attacks ... - Instead, the Russian army calmly allowed the French and British to land ashore; unload all artillery, horses, all ammunition, etc. ... - Or could ... - at the expense of Cossack military patrols and patrols, establish full control over the places of possible landing of the British and French ... - and immediately report any attempts to land .. ..- and just destroy them on the way ... - when trying to land ...
        - The naval artillery of the British and French simply did not reach the Russian coastal fortifications ... - and was not at all effective ... - The coalition ships could not approach the coast and organize the landing of troops ... - it was extremely inconvenient due to the geographic coastal lines and everything else ... - the Russian sailing fleet was sunk off the coast; which prevented them from approaching the shore ... - The coalition troops were forced to land on boats ... - which is extremely dangerous - it was tantamount to "landing in captivity" to the Russian troops ... - But our Russian troops did nothing ... and provided only very weak resistance ... - more and more calmly contemplated this landing ... - Yes, even despite "such non-interference of Russian troops" ... - the French and the British ... - somehow "by themselves" were able to land ...- - What was the Russian army doing in general ??? - It is completely incomprehensible !!!
        - Some mediocre Menshikov decided to make a show of the battle between the Russians and the "English-French" ... - a kind of "picnic performance" to which the inhabitants of Sevastopol came with wine and snacks and settled down on the heights of the Sevastopol area ... "as on picnic "... to watch" how the arrived invaders of Crimea will run away and how they will be "pursued by Russian troops" ... - And what tragedies then, on that day ... - for the Russian troops it was all over ...
        - This is generally ... - what happened then ???
        - And what a long bloody epic all this then turned into ...
        1. +3
          4 August 2021 09: 00
          Lord, where did such fantasies come from?
          Quote: gorenina91
          Or could ... - at the expense of Cossack military patrols and patrols, establish full control over the places of possible landing of the British and French ... - just destroy them on the way ..

          No. First, there were simply not enough troops in Crimea to control the entire coastline. Secondly, the attacking side always has an advantage. They know where the attack will be made, but the defenders do not.
          There is such a beast as logistics. It is always faster and cheaper by sea than by land. This is an axiom.

          Quote: gorenina91
          - The naval artillery of the British and French simply did not reach the Russian coastal fortifications ... - and was not at all effective ...

          Menshikov thought so too under Alma. But Admiral Gamelin did not know this and sent two frigates and a corvette to fire on our left flank. Their fire scattered the Minsk Regiment and ultimately ensured a successful dash for Bosquet's division, which in turn led the Allies to victory. By the way, they had an almost double advantage in strength.
          And you didn’t answer the question, what is the shame?
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 09: 45
            No. First, there were simply not enough troops in Crimea to control the entire coastline. Secondly, the attacking side always has an advantage. They know where the attack will be made, but the defenders do not.
            There is such a beast as logistics. It is always faster and cheaper by sea than by land. This is an axiom.

            - What are you talking about ??? - What is this "axiom" ???
            - To travel a gigantic distance from Great Britain Island across the Atlantic to the Crimea Peninsula ... - on sailing ships and on crappy steamers loaded to capacity (on which it was dangerous to sail (walk) along the river); and which could explode by themselves, if, even with a small storm, water suddenly floods the boilers ... - And where on the way to get spare parts, coal, fuels and lubricants ... - All this was not yet in the ports along the route and It could not be ... - And the distance must be done - like "to the Moon" ... - And how many ships of the coalition were killed already in the Black Sea during storms ??? - Aaaa ???
            - That's all the "logistics" ...
            But Admiral Gamelin did not know this and sent two frigates and a corvette to fire on our left flank. Their fire scattered the Minsk Regiment and ultimately ensured a successful dash for Bosquet's division, which in turn led the Allies to victory.

            - Whatoooo ??? - Why are you writing something ???
            - And how did the "Boske division" end up on the Crimea Peninsula ??? - In scuba gear, or something landed at night ??? - And the horses were also planted ???
            they had an almost double advantage in strength.

            - What kind of "advantage" is this ??? - Attack fortified positions ... - without having a reliable rear behind you (and if we take into account the "fact" that the French and the British were so "fought" with each other,; what ... what ... what - a little more and they could turn not into allies, but into real enemies ... - that's all the "numerical advantage"); to attack without bombardment of these positions - with artillery (there was no aviation yet) ... - to attack without 3-5 times the numerical advantage ... - to attack without having either reserves or enough ammunition ... - this was the purest gamble on the part of the coalition ; which, unfortunately ... - was a success for the coalition troops ...
            And you didn’t answer the question, what is the shame?

            - Personally, I believe that you are a completely sane member of society ... - and you yourself can navigate in your assessments ... - so I will not continue ... - All the best to you ...
            1. +2
              4 August 2021 10: 02
              Quote: gorenina91
              - What are you talking about ???

              Imagine. So it was in the days of sailing ships and nothing has changed until now.
              Quote: gorenina91
              on sailing ships and on the crappy ships

              Anything is better than oxen. Yes
              Quote: gorenina91
              - And how did the "Boske division" end up on the Crimea Peninsula ???

              By sea, essno. By the very one where the allies had an overwhelming advantage in forces.
              Quote: gorenina91
              - What kind of "advantage" is this ???

              The Russians have about 35 thousand line infantry with 84 guns, the allies have more than 60 thousand with 144.
              Quote: gorenina91
              and if we take into account the "fact" that the French and the British were so "fought" with each other;

              Only in your fantasies :))) The commanders of the allies had disagreements, but in case of danger, they always came to each other's aid.
              Quote: gorenina91
              Attack fortified positions

              Where did you find them near Alma?
              Quote: gorenina91
              attack with neither reserves nor enough ammunition

              Where did you get this from?
              Quote: gorenina91
              Personally, I believe that you are a perfectly sane member of society.

              Thank you. lol
              Quote: gorenina91
              you yourself can navigate in your assessments.

              Let's all the same evaluate not my modest person, but the situation prevailing at that time.
              Quote: gorenina91
              All the best...

              And you hi
            2. -1
              5 August 2021 10: 58
              Hm .. The Crimean War, Actually, quite an interesting event, but extremely unpleasant for the Russian rulers, as it very brightly highlighted the confirmation of the thesis about "a colossus with feet of clay" and strongly hit their conceit. Actually, there is, in my opinion (I may be wrong in the number of volumes), a 5-volume "History of the Crimean (Eastern) War", so it most accurately (unlike Tarle) shows how our rulers pissed away everything they could ... Moreover, all this may well be projected on the current situation in Russia. Well, judge for yourself: 1-Russia, despite its growing backwardness, continued to consider itself the greatest power in the world (how, they defeated Napoleon himself!), Which is allowed to do everything and unleashed a war with the Turks. Does it remind you of anything of the present? 2- the European powers that became hostile to Russia were completely ignored, towards which Russia behaved defiantly, especially when suppressing uprisings in Poland and Hungary, as well as in promoting its interests in the Balkans and the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. 3- underestimation of the "shitty Englishwoman" -type England is far away and she has problems in the colonies (revolts in the colonies). It is also very reminiscent of today's relations with the Anglo-Saxons. 4-reassessment of their "victorious" armed forces and navy. This suggests an analogy with today's hope for a "super-duper wunderwafli", "that has no analogue in the world," "no one will win against the Russians," etc. “the strength and influence of Russia.” Nothing reminds of the present? 5- hope for “They will not dare! "- to the last, and it is precisely this hope for" They will not dare! "and doomed the Russian army to passivity in the first period of the war, allowed the allies to land in the Crimea, and then accompanied them in a slightly modified form" They will come to their senses! They will quarrel soon! "and the whole war. Is this not an analogy with some events in our time, for example, with Ukraine? wink
          2. 0
            5 August 2021 12: 55
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            Lord, where did such fantasies come from?
            Quote: gorenina91
            Or could ... - at the expense of Cossack military patrols and patrols, establish full control over the places of possible landing of the British and French ... - just destroy them on the way ..

            No. First, there were simply not enough troops in Crimea to control the entire coastline. Secondly, the attacking side always has an advantage. They know where the attack will be made, but the defenders do not.
            There is such a beast as logistics. It is always faster and cheaper by sea than by land. This is an axiom.

            Quote: gorenina91
            - The naval artillery of the British and French simply did not reach the Russian coastal fortifications ... - and was not at all effective ...

            Menshikov thought so too under Alma. But Admiral Gamelin did not know this and sent two frigates and a corvette to fire on our left flank. Their fire scattered the Minsk Regiment and ultimately ensured a successful dash for Bosquet's division, which in turn led the Allies to victory. By the way, they had an almost double advantage in strength.
            And you didn’t answer the question, what is the shame?

            As far as I remember, the coast near Balaklava was guarded by an artillery battery and some kind of battalion, but on the day of the landing they remained in the city
        2. +2
          4 August 2021 10: 13
          Quote: gorenina91
          - And the fact that the allegedly "backward and poorly armed Russian army" could simply throw the British and French into the sea with bayonet attacks ... - Instead, the Russian army calmly allowed the French and British to land ashore; unload all the artillery, horses, all the ammunition, etc. ... - Or they could ... - at the expense of the Cossack military patrols ...

          Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side.
    4. +1
      4 August 2021 10: 01
      Friend, perhaps I agree with you: Peter 1 and Catherine 2 did not sit in the shade. They couldn't afford such a luxury
    5. +2
      4 August 2021 11: 26
      Only one Crimean War of 1853-1856 brought to naught everything supposedly "achievements

      How? What are the achievements? What, the Caucasian coast was lost, which became Russian under Nicholas? Maybe Crimea? Did the Paris Peace somehow help the Caucasian imamate? So Gunib happened already in 1859. Or was the codification of laws abolished? Have you stopped building railways?
      it is the Crimean War, which Russia has shamefully lost ...

      What's the shame? The conflict with the two leading world powers (not counting the hangers-on) was practically drawn into a draw in the presence of a "cold" conflict with the third. You know, in Germany, this trick turned out ... uh ... a little worse.
      That is how the same Britain would "fight" in India ... - Yes, so Britain in a few

      The British in India fought longer and more stubbornly than in the Caucasus: 4 Anglo-Mysore wars, 3 Anglo-Maratha wars, fighting the French. And yes, the sepoy uprising of 1857-59, smaller ones happened before that. Nepalese war, a lot of smaller conflicts. So, your statement is highly doubtful.
      India was much richer than the Caucasus, it was more interesting to rob it, but the Russians were interested in the Caucasus not so much in itself, as in terms of logistics and the elimination of the threat of Russian colonization of the Kuban and Stavropol Territories.
      - Yes, during this time it was possible .... !!!

      What? It won't be difficult for you to list what was done and give your suggestions on what and how it was necessary to do? Express your criticism, it will be interesting to read.
      1. -2
        4 August 2021 11: 41
        Fleet, loss of prestige, fortress and like a cherry, the death of Nicholas. And yes, even the royal officialdom disagrees with you ...
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 12: 14
          1. Loss of the fleet, which, in fact, they themselves destroyed. Yes, there are a lot of questions for the Russian naval commanders - they did not fulfill their tasks, unfortunately.
          The loss of the sailing fleet in itself, taking into account the technical re-equipment and preserving the coastal infrastructure, is not so terrible. Again, it is usually said that "Russia was forbidden to have a fleet in the Black Sea." This is not entirely true:
          "The Black Sea is declared neutral: open to merchant shipping of all peoples entry into the ports and waters thereof is formally and forever prohibited for warships, both coastal and all other powers".
          2. Fortress (obviously, Sevastopol) - to concede half of the fortress after an 11-month siege and several assaults - I see no shame. As a result, everything was returned to Russia - like Kinburn and Kerch.
          Well, you can still remember Bomarsund, yes.
          I do not mean that the Crimean War is some kind of achievement. In my opinion, Russia has successfully extricated itself from an extremely unpleasant situation with minimal losses. Ambition diminished, of course. But this is also for the best.
          The royal officialdom disagrees with you ...

          Bogdanovich or what? I don't quite understand what you mean.
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 13: 13
            Russia lost the war - the officialdom of the Republic of Ingushetia ...
            the passage to the ports and waters thereof is formally and forever prohibited by warships, both coastal and all other powers. "

            2. Fortress (obviously, Sevastopol) - to concede half of the fortress after an 11-month siege and several assaults - I see no shame. As a result, everything was returned to Russia - like Kinburn and Kerch.

            Including the Republic of Ingushetia, the fortresses have been torn down, the prestige has been lost. And how much aplomb there was.
            France has achieved everything it wanted. England has fulfilled the program at least exactly. And what did RI want before the war and what did it get?
            1. -2
              4 August 2021 18: 34
              Quote: smaug78
              France has achieved everything it wanted.

              Oh really? I didn't know that Poland was restored :)))
              Not long before. General Lamarck drew in front of the House a plan of the Eastern campaign against Russia: "How to rebuild Poland?
              Source: http://solovyev.lit-info.ru/solovyev/raznoe-po-istorii/vostochnyj-vopros.htm

              Quote: smaug78
              England has fulfilled the program at least exactly.

              Come on! And what exactly did the limes succeed in doing?
              1. -2
                4 August 2021 20: 04
                1. Napoleon did not allow the partition of Turkey, avenged his uncle, made France the European power number 1, while managing to preserve the norms. relations with Russia and acting as an arbiter in peace negotiations.
                2. England did not allow the partition of Turkey, deprived Russia of the fleet in the Black Sea and removed the threat to the Mediterranean, deprived Russia of the status of European power No. 1.
                But what goals has Russia achieved?
                PS
                Not long before. General Lamarck drew before the House a plan of the Eastern campaign against Russia: "How to restore Poland?
                And excuse me, did General Lamarck determine the policy of France? Yes 1830-31 this is not the period of the Crimean War. You would have read Tarle, ageless classics so far ...
                1. -1
                  6 August 2021 15: 21
                  Quote: smaug78
                  1. Napoleon did not allow the partition of Turkey

                  Which nobody was going to produce.
                  Quote: smaug78
                  avenged my uncle

                  What is this? Let me remind you that my uncle was kicked out of the throne on the island of St. Helena. And here they could not even occupy the whole Crimea. Somehow rather weak.
                  Quote: smaug78
                  made France the # 1 European power

                  In England they look at you with a sense of deep bewilderment :))) Although, I admit that Charles Louis himself could have thought so ... for about 14 years.
                  Quote: smaug78
                  England did not allow the partition of Turkey

                  See above.
                  Quote: smaug78
                  deprived Russia of the fleet on the Black Sea

                  which did not interfere with her and made her focus on ocean cruisers, which will poison her life for the next half century.
                  Quote: smaug78
                  removed the threat to the Mediterranean

                  Which hasn't happened since the London Conference of 1841.
                  And in general, Britain's plans were not too little, but the dismemberment of Russia.
                  Quote: smaug78
                  But what goals has Russia achieved?

                  Russia, being the third-strongest power, withstood the direct clash with the first two with virtually no losses.
                  Quote: smaug78
                  You would have read Tarle, ageless classics so far ...

                  I was just reading :)))
                  In Europe, diplomatic circles believed that Russia had escaped with comparatively paltry concessions.

                  The French ambassador to Vienna, Baron de Burknet, spoke about the Paris treatise as follows: "It is impossible to figure out, having read this document, who is the winner and who is the loser."

                  http://militera.lib.ru/h/tarle3/31.html
                  1. -5
                    6 August 2021 19: 28
                    It is immediately evident that Tarle passed you by ... But you go on, very funny laughing
                    1. -1
                      6 August 2021 20: 15
                      The drain is counted.
            2. -1
              5 August 2021 13: 02
              Quote: smaug78
              Russia lost the war - the officialdom of the Republic of Ingushetia ...
              the passage to the ports and waters thereof is formally and forever prohibited by warships, both coastal and all other powers. "

              2. Fortress (obviously, Sevastopol) - to concede half of the fortress after an 11-month siege and several assaults - I see no shame. As a result, everything was returned to Russia - like Kinburn and Kerch.

              Including the Republic of Ingushetia, the fortresses have been torn down, the prestige has been lost. And how much aplomb there was.
              France has achieved everything it wanted. England has fulfilled the program at least exactly. And what did RI want before the war and what did it get?

              RI wanted to fight with Turkey, she did not need a war with Europe. The emperor of France won a small victorious war, but after 20 years he lost everything. You know.
              1. -6
                5 August 2021 15: 37
                A very valuable comment, like when you really want to say, but there is nothing laughing
                1. -1
                  5 August 2021 19: 14
                  Quote: smaug78
                  A very valuable comment, like when you really want to say, but there is nothing

                  You would think you are a top-level analyst here. Russia lost its territories? France lost its territories in the 1870s, and Napoleon lost the crown. England achieved something with its navy in the Baltic and Kamchatka? The only one who won for a while was Turkey. And even then until the next war. Yes. and by the way, what goals did Russia have in this war?
                  1. -7
                    5 August 2021 20: 50
                    Dear, talk about Nicholas I and the Crimean War. So your jingoistic patriotism and the aplomb of an ignoramus are ridiculous, especially against the background of the "Napoleonic plans" of Nicholas I in relation to Turkey, the Moldavian principalities, allies, etc.
    6. -1
      4 August 2021 19: 05
      In many ways you are right, but there is one caveat)). Namely, the "Great" princes who began to multiply. Each had his own interests, each was assigned a position "for feeding" and each muddied the waters in his own direction.
  5. +3
    4 August 2021 05: 42
    Cried when I read, the author, who is the article intended for? For today's generation of the Unified State Exam?
    1. +4
      4 August 2021 06: 48
      My respect, Aleksey! hi
      Personally, I was fascinated by this passage: in the Baltic - to break through to Petrograd, wassat
      1. +2
        4 August 2021 07: 03
        You can try to repeat the breakthrough. The Petrograd side is a little Petrograd, isn't it?
        1. +6
          4 August 2021 07: 11
          No. Petrogradskaya side is the historical name of the city district. My city was only 10 years old in Petrograd, and this is clearly not the middle of the 19th century.
          1. +4
            4 August 2021 07: 30
            Her favorite pastime is walking around the city and seeing the signs of the past. And lucky - and centuries.
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 17: 48
              There are almost no buildings on Petrogradka older than 1861. Russian Art Nouveau, similar to Barcelona's Eixample district.
              1. +3
                4 August 2021 18: 02
                Pre-war is already interesting.
                And Barcelona is hard to imagine from the pictures. Even with all due respect to Gaudi.
                1. +1
                  4 August 2021 18: 27
                  Pre-war ... Hmm. At the corner of Suvorovsky Avenue and 6th Sovetskaya, the Emerald Hotel rises. But I remember this place as a kind of wasteland, as far as it is generally applicable to the city center (for example, stunted bushes below and shabby firewalls up). So, at the time of the NEP, this place was a cinema that belonged to the father of Tanya Savicheva.
                  1. +2
                    4 August 2021 18: 46
                    Probably, it was the Leningrad poet who could say:

                    “And what is obvious to people
                    Dogs are completely indifferent.
                    This is the name: "Dog's fidelity" "(c).
                    1. +1
                      4 August 2021 19: 00
                      Hmmm ...
                      "Now there are so few Greeks in Leningrad,
                      that we broke the Greek church,
                      in order to build on a free space
                      concert hall. In such an architecture
                      there is something hopeless. However,
                      concert hall for a thousand plus seats
                      not so hopeless: this is a temple,
                      and a temple of art. Who is to blame
                      what vocal skill gives
                      a collection greater than the banners of faith?
                      The only pity is that now from afar
                      we will see not a normal dome,
                      but an ugly flat line.
                      But as for the ugliness of the proportions,
                      then a person does not depend on them,
                      and more often from the proportions of disgrace.

                      I remember very well how it was broken.
                      It was spring and I was just then
                      went to the same Tatar family,
                      living nearby. Watched
                      through the window and saw the Greek Church.
                      It all started with Tatar conversations;
                      and then sounds intervened in the conversation,
                      merged with speech at first,
                      but soon they drowned it out.
                      An excavator drove into the church garden
                      with a cast iron weight suspended from the boom.
                      And the walls began to give in quietly.
                      It's funny not to give in if you
                      wall, and before you - the destroyer. "(c)
                      Now there is the Big Concert Hall "Oktyabrsky".
                      1. +2
                        4 August 2021 20: 24
                        One of those that hurts, along with "Letters to a Roman friend."
                    2. +2
                      4 August 2021 22: 28
                      Oh my friend Sergei! There is a feline loyalty! I have a fact-friendship with three representatives of the fluffy people. The death of Phil the First. Oh! Better not to remember, really!
                      1. +2
                        4 August 2021 22: 35
                        When my daughter got a kitten, he began to take a closer look at all the four-legged.
                      2. +2
                        4 August 2021 22: 44
                        Seryozha, do you have a lot of them?
                      3. +2
                        4 August 2021 22: 59
                        No. One Marquis.
                        I look after strangers too. And much more attentively, compared to the time until he started at home.
                      4. +2
                        4 August 2021 23: 05
                        Eh! Still, living in the suburbs is happiness. It's a pity that you have to go to the capital to work. A dream! Mine! Then! Retire! If I live! And I'll live! To hell with an apartment! And a house! In the far suburbs! Own / bought /! Log cabin! But! On the river bank! Eh!
                      5. +2
                        4 August 2021 23: 28
                        That's just it. We are tied to work. But that's good. What to do without it - you can lose a significant part of yourself.
              2. +1
                5 August 2021 21: 25
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                There are almost no buildings on Petrogradka older than 1861.

                As far as I know, there are many more historical sites in St. Petersburg than in Moscow.
                1. 0
                  5 August 2021 21: 29
                  Alas, I don't know Moscow, I can't compare ...
      2. +2
        4 August 2021 09: 30
        My poet, I have commented below "the breakthrough to Petrograd". Probably the author has a time machine?
        1. +3
          4 August 2021 09: 36
          Yes, I have seen. Thank you!
        2. 0
          5 August 2021 01: 19
          Oh, this Vera. Or? Playful harem. Ugh! This, how is her medical office? Sanitary and epidemiological station? Well, in a word, my poet!
      3. +3
        4 August 2021 17: 43
        hi Anton, greetings, the whole article is a continuous "Passage", like a St. Petersburg department store (the dining room, there was magnificent at the time) smile
        1. +1
          4 August 2021 17: 54
          Alas, I did not find a canteen in the Passage, but the pie at the corner of the Sredny and 6 lines existed until the end of the XNUMXs.
          1. +3
            4 August 2021 18: 00
            Been after the XNUMXs, it was no longer, like cheburechnaya, on Vaskin, oh, I forgot the line, on the left side, behind the metro
            1. 0
              4 August 2021 18: 12
              The city has changed. Very much. But I love it in dynamics!
          2. +1
            5 August 2021 03: 54
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            but the pie at the corner of the Sredny and 6 lines existed until the end of the XNUMXs.

            On the corner of the middle and 6th lines there was a Belochka store, the pie shop was closer to the big one behind the Baltika cinema on the 7th line, the cheburechnaya practically opposite the Baltic on the 6th line, well, except for the pie pavilion Belyasha at the Vasileostrovskaya metro station request
    2. +5
      4 August 2021 07: 07
      To be honest, it reminds one of an episode from the movie "Big Change", when Kramarov's hero entered the university to take an interest in graduate school. And he expounded his vision of historical events.
      1. +3
        4 August 2021 17: 45
        Or maybe it's true, Ivanov is Kharaluzhny?
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 18: 00
          Who cares?

          Petruha wanted to look at Gulchatai's face, but it didn't end well.
        2. +2
          4 August 2021 18: 08
          I don’t think the schizoid type is different. As Avva2012 used to say (slightly paraphrasing) (remember the Doctor?), Reacting to Samsonov's opuses: "History is a suitcase. With a handle. Otherwise, how can such nonsense be carried?" And he is well versed in the mournful mind!
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 18: 15
            I remember, it's a pity that his comments are not enough. Yes, the type is different, perhaps I agree, and the style is not the same, but there is a lot in common, I cannot deviate from Petrograd, the articles are built from the point of view of formal logic, on true-false judgments.
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 18: 39
              I remember, it's a pity that his comments are missing.
              The reason is the same as yours - Shpakovsky. And if you have developed a strong immunity, he has a reaction of rejection. But he does not get bored, he has his own struggle for domestic psychiatry. In general, when and if you want to contact Sasha, write to Nikolay "Pan Kohank". They communicate, I rarely, alas ...
  6. +3
    4 August 2021 06: 10
    Nicholas the First succeeded in a difficult but loyal rule of the Empire. The paradox was that a short time after the victory of Russia in the Patriotic War of 1812, the West organized the Decembrists for Russia, and a little later also the Polish uprising and Herzen and the separation of Crimea from Russia. The West organized almost the same thing for the Russian Red Empire in the same time after its victory in the Great Patriotic War. Liberastov, Gorbachev, Solidarity in Poland and the present rejection of Crimea from Russia. So, Nicholas I coped with all these intrigues of the West and saved the Empire. After all, if he behaved in front of the Decembrists as the rulers of the Red Empire behaved in 1991 in front of the Liberal People's Deputies, then Western liberalists would have destroyed Russia in 1825. And after the scrap Nikolay and the Decembrists on the gallows, and the Poles with a whip, and Herzen under arrest, he kept the Empire. And in general, all Russian Grand Dukes, Tsars and Emperors should be assessed only through the prism of expanding and preserving the Empire. And Nicholas the First kept the Empire, for which he was honored and praised ...
    Of course, after I compared Misha Labeled with Herzen here, Herzen turned over in his coffin, and Labeled with pleasure was already drooling. Here maybe I was wrong with such a comparison.
    By the way, it is necessary to remember and compare the actions of Nicholas I and Gorbachev's liberals in Chechnya. So after the actions of Nicholas I, Chechnya has been keeping pace for 170 years, and after the actions of Gorbachev's liberals, we still pay tribute to Chechnya ...
    1. +1
      4 August 2021 09: 30
      And another opus on the denial of human rights and freedoms. Someone else's rights, of course, not a "loved one". Hmm :(
      Red Empire

      During the USSR's existence, calling the Soviet Union an empire was a surefire way to be branded as anti-Soviet.
    2. +2
      4 August 2021 10: 38
      Quote: north 2
      So after the actions of Nicholas the First, Chechnya kept pace for 170 years, and after the actions of Gorbachev's liberals, we still pay tribute to Chechnya.

      In fact, Shamil was captured during the reign of Alexander II. And all his successes, which the author of the article is silent about, were under Nicholas I
    3. 0
      5 August 2021 13: 07
      Quote: North 2
      Nicholas the First succeeded in a difficult but loyal rule of the Empire. The paradox was that a short time after the victory of Russia in the Patriotic War of 1812, the West organized the Decembrists for Russia, and a little later also the Polish uprising and Herzen and the separation of Crimea from Russia. The West organized almost the same thing for the Russian Red Empire in the same time after its victory in the Great Patriotic War. Liberastov, Gorbachev, Solidarity in Poland and the present rejection of Crimea from Russia. So, Nicholas I coped with all these intrigues of the West and saved the Empire. After all, if he behaved in front of the Decembrists as the rulers of the Red Empire behaved in 1991 in front of the Liberal People's Deputies, then Western liberalists would have destroyed Russia in 1825. And after the scrap Nikolay and the Decembrists on the gallows, and the Poles with a whip, and Herzen under arrest, he kept the Empire. And in general, all Russian Grand Dukes, Tsars and Emperors should be assessed only through the prism of expanding and preserving the Empire. And Nicholas the First kept the Empire, for which he was honored and praised ...
      Of course, after I compared Misha Labeled with Herzen here, Herzen turned over in his coffin, and Labeled with pleasure was already drooling. Here maybe I was wrong with such a comparison.
      By the way, it is necessary to remember and compare the actions of Nicholas I and Gorbachev's liberals in Chechnya. So after the actions of Nicholas I, Chechnya has been keeping pace for 170 years, and after the actions of Gorbachev's liberals, we still pay tribute to Chechnya ...

      Tribute? You call the development of the region a tribute? Can we stop feeding Moscow better?
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  8. +4
    4 August 2021 07: 14
    ... Thirty years was not enough for this, but the question was not easy - an attempt to "offend" the nobles could lead to a repetition of Paul's fate, and an attempt not to decide - to economic stagnation. Power, in fact, walked along a thin blade, on both sides of which there was an abyss ............ It looks like an attempt to justify Nicholas. Ivan the Terrible and Peter, did not really pay attention to the grievances of the nobles, whom they bent sometimes very harshly, up to the deprivation of life. Thirty years to think whether to abolish serfdom or not is a very long time. Since 1848, serfdom has been abolished everywhere in Europe. There are almost no actions in R.I. Even the elder brother Alexander, there tried to do something, having come up with the "Decree on free farmers", and for some reason abolished serfdom in the Baltic provinces, to please the Eastsea barons, but left it on the rest of the empire. The predominance of German blood among the tsars made them cowardly in front of the Russian nobility. A purely Russian tsar would have acted more decisively. And to save the Habsburg Empire from collapse, which has never been a friend of Russia, has just done, put a spoke in its wheels, is beyond comprehension. What is the Sacred Union of Monarchs in the middle (XNUMXth) century? In what century did Nikolai perceive himself? But they got the hatred of the Hungarians for a long time. The Crimean War is a separate story, but allowing a coalition of states hostile to the Republic of Ingushetia, speaks of a complete failure of foreign policy, led by the protégé of Tsar Nesselrode, a man without clan and tribe, who somehow ended up at the head of the Foreign Ministry. It is also a mystery. The name Nicholas, for the tsars, is unhappy, their reign always ended in failure.
    1. +5
      4 August 2021 09: 21
      Quote: Unknown
      Ivan the Terrible and Peter did not really pay attention to the grievances of the nobles, whom they sometimes bent very harshly, up to the deprivation of life.

      Absolutely not.
      Ivan, nicknamed Vasilievich for his cruelty, and Don Pedro Primus uno Grande, ruled absolutely in the interests of the nobility, they just understood this estate somewhat broader than a certain number of ancient aristocratic families. We can say that they relied on the broad masses of the small landed nobles.
      Quote: Unknown
      And to save the Habsburg Empire from collapse

      Do you think that the freed Hungary would be loyal to Russia? As for me, much sooner, like Sardinia, she would have taken a place among the allies of England and France.
      1. +1
        4 August 2021 15: 30
        Quote: Senior Sailor

        Absolutely not.
        Ivan, nicknamed Vasilievich for his cruelty, and Don Pedro Primus uno Grande, ruled absolutely in the interests of the nobility, they just understood this estate somewhat broader than a certain number of ancient aristocratic families. We can say that they relied on the broad masses of the small landed nobles.

        How not? . The nobility, and only it was a constant threat to the monarchy, and not only with us. Tsar Ivan, from an early age, having seen enough of the seven-boyars, where everyone considered himself superior to the Rurikids, and claimed the throne, created an oprichnina, relying not only on minor noblemen, but also serving people, exterminating a number of appanage princes, for example, the Staritskys, etc. established order, at least until the Time of Troubles. The support of Grozny, but there were nobles and service people. But the merchants were only in the bud, and did not play any role. At the same time, Europe was shaken by religious wars in which the nobility was losing their positions. The need for them gradually disappeared. Initially, the nobles carried only one duty, the military was freed from the rest. The whole load was mainly on the commoners and the townspeople. As time went on, mercenary troops were created, ready to fight for money, it is easier to pay them than to restrain the host of parasites, who are already a burden to conscription. But they were exempted from taxes by decrees of their overlords and endowed, in addition, with privileges that they did not want to give up. But the merchants, burghers, peasants did not want to carry the state burden alone. From there, references to the Bible, translation into an understandable language, etc. , in the end they took up arms Some of the crowned heads, relied on the nascent bourgeoisie and retained the throne, and the nobles gradually faded away, degenerated. Peter, who was visiting Europe, who also survived the palace coup, the streltsy revolt led by the boyars, began to understand the retrograde essence of the nobility, and he tried to create a merchant class, as a counterbalance, but for a number of reasons could not do it. Then the era of palace coups began, the culmination was the rebellion is not in the Senate Square. In R. and the Empire, the nobility did not want to give up even a small fraction of their privileges. Mitrofanushki, Oblomovs, after all, they did not appear from nowhere. For thirty years, relying on the nascent merchant class, Nicholas could carry out reforms in the right direction. The peasantry in the 19th century still believed in a good tsar, and there were no problems with him. But the tsar did not touch the degenerating nobility, leaving everything as it is.
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        Do you think that the freed Hungary would be loyal to Russia? As for me, much sooner, like Sardinia, she would have taken a place among the allies of England and France.

        Loyalty is out of the question. She was not a friend of Russia. But here's a headache for Austria, it sure would be. With the collapse of the Austrian Empire, into separate states, so many territorial and other problems would arise, there would be no time for Russia. And if you skillfully warm up all the problems, then you can protect yourself for a long time from the other side, and have a benefit for yourself.
        1. -4
          4 August 2021 16: 06
          Tsar Ivan, from an early age, having seen enough of the seven-boyars, where everyone considered himself superior to the Rurikids, and claimed the throne, created an oprichnina, relying not only on minor noblemen, but also serving people, exterminating a number of appanage princes, for example, the Staritskys, etc. established order, at least until the Time of Troubles. Support to Grozny, but there were nobles and service people

          How John IV the Tormentor (aka "Terrible", the name with a small letter intentionally) could "see enough of the transitional boyar government of 1610-1612, when he died in 1584, is probably a great mystery.
          Now further. All the successes of the rule of the aforementioned ruler were associated with the period of activity of the then liberals from the "Chosen Rada". The result of the same period of oprichnina terror against its own people was "Poruha" - the ruin of the country and the people. "Tsar uchinisha oprichnina ... And from that was the desolation of the greatness of the Russian land" - from the Pskov chronicle. More than half of the previously cultivated land was abandoned. Hunger began in the most literal sense of the word. Well, the culmination of all this turned out to be that the guardsmen who eagerly performed torture and executions, who went on a punitive and plundering campaign to the Russian city of Novgorod, turned out to be far from being so brave when they had to risk their own lives. When in 1571 the "Crimean Khan" dog went to war against the Russian Kingdom, the oprichniks, for the most part, did not appear for military service.
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 16: 38
            Quote: Terran Ghost
            of the then liberals from the "Chosen Rada"

            Did you now call the author of "Domostroy" a liberal? :)))
            Quote: Terran Ghost
            oprichniks for the most part did not show up for military service.

            As well as the Zemstvo people.
            But under Molodi, most of the Russian warriors, including the second governor Khvorostinin, were just from among the guardsmen.
            1. -2
              4 August 2021 17: 11
              Did you now call the author of "Domostroy" a liberal? :)))

              We are talking about the late Middle Ages, about the 16th century. John Locke and Jean-Jacques Rousseau were not even born then. Well, of course, the morals of that time were "somewhat" different from those of us today.
              But in general, here is the creation of the institute of Zemsky Sobors (the first body of popular representation in Russia), and the Code of Law of 1550, with its attempt to create a model of the state, whose power is based on the law and is carried out in accordance with the same law expressed in writing.
              By the way, about the morals of the same. Now it may seem surprising, but then (16-17 century) in Russia the oprichnina tied by John IV seemed to be something unthinkable and terrible for contemporaries. This is for a second in an era when, in the same Western Europe, bonfires of "witch hunts" (in the very literal sense of this phrase) were blazing ...
              As well as the Zemstvo people.

              But nevertheless, the zemstvo regiments appeared many times more. And to carry out military service personally for the guardsmen was, as it were, their direct duty ...
              including the second governor Khvorostinin was just one of the guardsmen.

              The only question is whether Khvorostinin was an oprichnik in the usual sense of the word. Formally, of course, he served in one of the "oprichnina" volosts, but it was precisely that he carried out military service on the border with the possessions of the Crimean Khan and other Ottoman satellites, and did not "become famous" for his participation in torture, executions and massacres ...
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 18: 11
                Quote: Terran Ghost
                The only question is whether Khvorostinin was an oprichnik in the usual sense of the word.

                There was only one point. Either the oprichnik or the zemstvo. And there is no clear specialization. Today a nobleman (in a broad sense) serves as a judge in the Zemsky order and is present during torture, and tomorrow he becomes a voivode in a distant garrison. The same Malyuta, not to be remembered by nightfall, Skuratov, died during the storming of an enemy fortress.
                Quote: Terran Ghost
                This is for a second in an era when, in the same Western Europe, bonfires of "witch hunts" were blazing

                That's it! hi
          2. -2
            4 August 2021 19: 42
            Quote: Terran Ghost
            How John IV the Tormentor (aka "Terrible", the name with a small letter intentionally) could "see enough of the transitional boyar government of 1610-1612, when he died in 1584, is probably a great mystery.

            Yes, he beguiled the seven-boyars, with (1538) the rule of the state temporarily, the Boyar Duma and the struggle of the Shuisky and Belsky clans, which in fact are the same thing.
            Quote: Terran Ghost
            The result of the same period of oprichnina terror against its own people was "Poruha" - the ruin of the country and the people. "Tsar uchinisha oprichninu ... And from that was the desolation of the greatness of the Russian land" - from the Pskov chronicle. More than half of the previously cultivated land was abandoned. Hunger began in the most literal sense of the word.

            One should be more careful about the Pskov Chronicle. It was written later, after the death of Ivan the Terrible, and taking into account the political moment. As for the campaign against Novgorod, there is a record of the true investigative case in the Inventory of the Archives of the Ambassadorial Prikaz of 1626: “An article list from the detective from the treasonous case ... on the Naugorotsky (Novgorod. - BF) archbishop on Pimen and on the Novgorod clerks, and on the clerks, and on the guests, and on the sovereign clerks, and on the children of the boyars ... about the building of Veliky Novgorod and Pskov, that Archbishop Pimin wanted to give Novgorod and Pskov with them to the Lithuanian king, and the Tsar and Grand Duke Ivan Vasilyevich wanted all Russia to be evil by deliberate lime, and put Prince Vladimir Andreevich in the state. ”Here we are talking about treason and going over to the side of Lithuania. For such cases, in those days, the reprisal was cruel. We must not forget that in Novgorod they always looked towards Lithuania, the same Martha Posadnitsa and the boyars were in opposition to Grozny's grandfather. And the surrender of the Russian border town of Izborsk to the Lithuanians in January 1569 overwhelmed the tsar's patience. The terror was waged against a certain circle of people, and not against the entire people.
            Quote: Terran Ghost
            When in 1571 the "Crimean Khan" dog went to war against the Russian Kingdom, the oprichniks, for the most part, did not appear for military service.

            When Giray undertook his big raid, most of the army was in Livonia and the oprichniki too. The guardsmen were not initially created as a regular army, but rather as an internal police. A year before the raid, Prince Vorotynsky assessed the state of the guard service on the southern borders of Russia as extremely unsatisfactory. So the guilt of the oprichnina is relative.
            1. 0
              5 August 2021 12: 22
              The noble lawlessness that was going on, brought the country to the handle.

              Oprichnina chaos and terror really brought the country to the ruchi. Before the collapse and mass hunger.
              It was written later, after the death of Ivan the Terrible, and taking into account the political moment.

              Later it is true anyway the end of the 16th century. And it was written by contemporaries and eyewitnesses of the events.
              And the political moment is also important here. A cruel political terror with such gross violations of what would now be called human rights and freedoms was something terrible and inconceivable for the inhabitants of the Russian Kingdom of the 16th - 17th centuries.
              1. -2
                5 August 2021 14: 34
                Quote: Terran Ghost
                Oprichnina chaos and terror really brought the country to the ruchi. Before the collapse and mass hunger.

                How to say, whose lawlessness is worse than a boyar or oprichnina. An over-the-top tyrant boyar who fights three skins from the peasants, or an oprichnik who takes the life of that boyar.
                Quote: Terran Ghost
                And the political moment is also important here. A cruel political terror with such gross violations of what would now be called human rights and freedoms was something terrible and inconceivable for the inhabitants of the Russian Kingdom of the 16th - 17th centuries

                The 16th century was not a humane century. Human life was perceived in a completely different way. All the actions of the tsar were directed against specific noble families, and not against the people. The myth of the cruelty of Grozny arose thanks to biased personalities, such as Prince Andrei Kurbsky, Germans Johann Taube, Elert Kruse, Albert Schlichting, Heinrich Staden, Jesuit Anthony Possevino, Englishmen Jerome , Hugh Willoughby, Richard Chancellor and the like. These personalities did not differ in love for Russia, and all memories are biased, do not correspond to the historical truth.
        2. +1
          4 August 2021 16: 25
          Quote: Unknown
          created the oprichnina, relying not only on petty noblemen, but also serving people,

          The guardsmen are the same "servants of the fatherland" that is, the nobles (this term simply meant something else then :)) And the nobles also benefited from the reforms of Grozny.
          Quote: Unknown
          The retrograde essence of the nobility began to reach Peter, who was visiting Europe, who also survived a palace coup, a streltsy revolt led by the boyars.

          And he did not find anything better how to turn them from disenfranchised campaigners for land into full-fledged owners :))) I'm talking about the bad memory of the decree of 1714.
          That the one that the other relied precisely on the service class and benefited him.
          Quote: Unknown
          and for thirty years, relying on the nascent merchant class, Nikolai could carry out reforms in the right direction

          There were at least two tsars who firmly believed that the nobility, namely, this estate consisted of the country's administrative and military elite, would do what the tsar ordered them to do. One was Nikolai's grandfather, the other was his father. And what is characteristic, they ended up almost the same.
          Only Alexander succeeded in canceling the KP, and then only because his father was able to strengthen the state.
          1. -2
            4 August 2021 17: 15
            And he did not find anything better than to turn them from disenfranchised campaigners for the land into full-fledged owners.

            Well, the duty of personally performing service from the nobility was removed all the same later - under Peter III and not Peter I. But under Peter I, a recruitment was introduced - which was the first violation of the "social contract" in force earlier, according to which the "tax" estates (merchants, Posad people (i.e. townspeople), peasants) pay taxes and bear taxes, but are exempted from compulsory military service.
            1. 0
              4 August 2021 18: 14
              Quote: Terran Ghost
              the "social contract" in force earlier, according to which the "taxable" estates (merchants, townspeople (ie townspeople), peasants) pay taxes and bear taxes, but are exempted from compulsory military service.

              Oh really?
              Does this term "tacit people" mean anything to you?
              Pyotr Alekseevich did not come up with anything new in this sense. All this was done before him, he just dressed the servicemen in German caftans and instead of batogs they began to beat the subjects with gauntlets. Yes
          2. 0
            4 August 2021 20: 47
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            The guardsmen are the same "servants of the fatherland" that is, the nobles (this term simply meant something else then :)) And the nobles also benefited from the reforms of Grozny.

            Quote: Senior Sailor
            And he did not find anything better how to turn them from disenfranchised campaigners for land into full-fledged owners :))) I'm talking about the bad memory of the decree of 1714.
            That the one that the other relied precisely on the service class and benefited him.

            There were no others. The merchants and the bourgeois do not count. And the military service people were already a burden.
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            There were at least two tsars who firmly believed that the nobility, namely, this estate consisted of the country's administrative and military elite, would do what the tsar ordered them to do. One was Nikolai's grandfather, the other was his father. And what is characteristic, they ended up almost the same.
            Only Alexander succeeded in canceling the KP, and then only because his father was able to strengthen the state.

            Paul was a great admirer of Prussia, in 1719 the Prussian king Frederick William I freed the peasants belonging to him personally, and in 1717 he introduced compulsory primary education. Such actions did not even occur to Paul, he was far from it. But he firmly believed in the nobility, which broke his head. The king was not very clever. As for Peter-3, he is an accidental person on the throne, and although his mother was Russian, the Russian spirit was not observed in him at all. Sadly, the fact that the tsars after him were purely Germans, and by blood and by way of thinking, did not have enough intelligence to understand what country and what people they rule. So they ruled, to their end, within the walls of the Ipatyevsky cellar.
  9. +4
    4 August 2021 07: 20
    Strange impression from the next opus by Ivanov.
    On the one hand, I do not quite agree in the high assessment of the reign of Nikolai Pavlovich, but he really managed to do a lot and it is foolish to deny it.
    With another....
    Alexander Petrovich ..., and he was in no hurry to reform.

    I just want to remind you that the same author called Vasily the Dark a "reformer", who reformed nothing at all :))) Yes, in comparison with him, under Alexander the Blessed, everything flew at a gallop!
    An unspoken committee. Reform of the Senate and Synod. Ministerial reform. Financial reform. educational reform, military reform (in particular artillery) and all this in the first few years.
    idiotic reform of Arakcheev with the creation of military settlements

    I have no words! To undertake to write about the era of Alexander and not know that Arakcheev was against the introduction of military settlements !!!
    This is the finish!
    1. -1
      4 August 2021 09: 07
      Sailor, how can you forget the name of the capital of Ingushetia. Thank you for not confusing Russia and Sweden
  10. 0
    4 August 2021 07: 22
    The emperor's grandmother Catherine, the situation was saved by bread, more precisely - the fertile lands of Novorossia and the Southern Territory as a whole, but this resource has exhausted herself by the end of her reign.

    He still did not exhaust myself
    And, visiting the palaces of her nobles, one must understand - for whose money and on whose bones they are built.
    It should be understood that ALL palaces in the world were built on bones, especially in those days, and not only Russian ones.
    Being a member of a conspiracy, actually a parricide
    in fact, he did not kill and was not part of the conspiracy.
    And it was under him that Russia won the worst war in the history of the world) at that time)
    But there is one detail in all this - we lagged behind (and strongly) from Britain and a little from France. The rest of Russia could smash: either one by one or in a crowd. Simply put, Russia was only third in the world.
    : and did not lag behind the German states, but from the United States, and from Austria? Lagged behind and was on the 5-6th place.
    With the heirs, liberal and not so, we smoothly dive into sixth place, and the "shame" of the Crimean War with a local defeat from the whole of Europe will be replaced by "achievements" in the war with Japan and the First World War.

    with the heirs - 4/5 place, and Russia "slipped" under them to the point that it became a few MILLION km2 MORE - this is clearly a "defeat", yes ...

    And yes, it was under the heirs, and not under the respected Nikolai1, that Russia was covered by the network of railways that united Russia into a single economic and state mechanism that still works and under them the growth rates of industrial production became one of the highest in the world.
    1. +3
      4 August 2021 08: 38
      Quote: Olgovich
      in the worst war in the history of the world) at that time)

      At what "that" moment? In 1812? In the history of Russia at that time it was not the most terrible war, in the history of the world - even more so.
      1. +1
        4 August 2021 08: 46
        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        In the history of Russia at that time it was not the most terrible war, in the history of the world - even more so.

        I beg your pardon, what conflicts do you mean (in either case)?
        1. +3
          4 August 2021 08: 55
          Yes, even the Time of Troubles. Not to mention the events of 1237-1241.
          1. +1
            4 August 2021 09: 04
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            Yes, even the Time of Troubles.

            In our history, perhaps. Although the Troubles are several ongoing conflicts. And in the world?
            Still, the Napoleonic Wars surpassed all the previous ones in terms of scope, both in terms of the number of victims and in terms of geography.
            1. +4
              4 August 2021 10: 00
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              Although the Troubles are several ongoing conflicts.

              I'm talking about this. It was much scarier.
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              The Napoleonic Wars surpassed all previous ones in scope, both in terms of the number of victims and in terms of geography.

              Have not surpassed. The Thirty Years' War was harder. This is only in Europe. What happened in Asia is scary to compare. And this is only in terms of the absolute number of victims, and in terms of relative numbers, it is just darkness.
              1. +3
                4 August 2021 10: 07
                Quote: Sahar Medovich
                The Thirty Years' War was harder. This is only in Europe

                I disagree. The thirty-year-old, of course, skated through the HRE, but only along it. And Napoleonic and revolutionary wars throughout Europe, and captured the colonies. This is a much larger conflict.
                But your position is clear. hi
                1. +2
                  4 August 2021 10: 19
                  The death toll is higher in the Thirty Years.
                  1. +2
                    4 August 2021 10: 33
                    Well, first of all, the numbers are more estimated here and there. And secondly, I got the impression that at the age of 30, the percentage of combat losses (that is, directly in battles) is lower than in Napoleonic ones. That is, the war has become bloodier.
                    Again, from 1629 to 1635 there were several outbreaks of plague and typhus in the HRE. To some extent, of course, their spread was facilitated by the movement of a mass of troops, but still ...
                    Again, Bonaparte walked back and forth from Spain to Russia. And Tilly and Wallenstein are more and more in the Czech Republic and Germany.
                    1. +2
                      4 August 2021 10: 59
                      As for evaluations, yes. But there is definitely more in Thirty Years. And we are talking about losses in general, and not only about losses of armies and not only in battles. Napoleon's soldiers also died from disease.
                      1. +1
                        4 August 2021 11: 15
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Napoleon's soldiers also died from disease.

                        Undoubtedly. Let's say, from typhus. But there was definitely no plague.
          2. -1
            4 August 2021 09: 28
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            Yes, even the Time of Troubles.

            this sho for ... "war" was that? belay Or do you not know WHAT is war in the world?

            In the Napoleonic wars, more than FIVE million people.
            Until then there was nothing more.
            1. +2
              4 August 2021 10: 05
              Quote: Olgovich
              this sho for ... "war" was like that

              The most real. Or don't you know?
              Quote: Olgovich
              More than FIVE million people died in the Napoleonic wars.
              Until then there was nothing more.

              "More" - they call the number and 7 million. In the Thirty Years War there were 11-12 million victims. But in comparison with the Asian conquests, it pales too.
              1. -1
                4 August 2021 13: 02
                Quote: Sahar Medovich
                The most real. Or don't you know?

                But NOBODY knows: they know the Russian-Polish war, they know the Russian-Polish war, but ... the Troubled War - ... YOU alone
                Quote: Sahar Medovich
                "More" - they call the number and 7 million. In the Thirty Years War, the victims -11-12 million

                in a 30-year war, this is a whole series of separate wars with losses of -5-6 million
                Quote: Sahar Medovich
                But in comparison with the Asian conquests, it also pales.

                what turned pale there?
                1. -1
                  4 August 2021 15: 31
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Nobody knows:

                  Is that why you're making it up? Out of ignorance? And in general, speak for yourself, not everyone.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The 30 Years' War is a whole SERIES of separate wars

                  Just like Napoleon.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  with losses -5-6 million

                  Even if this is so, it is still more than in the wars with the French Republic-Empire. But rather, the loss in Thirty Years is much greater.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  what turned pale there?

                  It is the same.
                  1. -3
                    4 August 2021 15: 41
                    Quote: Sahar Medovich
                    Is that why you're making it up? Out of ignorance? And in general, speak for yourself, not everyone.

                    YOU invented the "Vague" war, and now you are clowning: no one else knows it.
                    Quote: Sahar Medovich
                    Same as Napoleon.

                    that's it: at the age of 30, Napoleon was NOT
                    Quote: Sahar Medovich
                    It is the most

                    ... Yellow? belay lol
                    1. 0
                      4 August 2021 15: 44
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      YOU invented the "Vague" war

                      Do not lie.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      that's it: at the age of 30, Napoleon was NOT

                      Don't be clownish.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Yellow?

                      See above.
                      1. -3
                        4 August 2021 16: 50
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Do not lie.

                        don't lie
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Don't be clownish.

                        do not grimace
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        See above.

                        so yellow will turn pale or pale will turn yellow? belay lol
                      2. -1
                        4 August 2021 17: 15
                        Don't lie. Don't be clownish. Do not disgrace yourself. stop
                      3. -3
                        5 August 2021 11: 17
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Do not lie.

                        it true shame sweet clowns. Yes lol
                        It hurts, right? wink
                      4. 0
                        5 August 2021 13: 31
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        it's true sweet clowns disgrace.

                        Yes it is. I have seen this many times. And he himself is here to the dragon of such clowns. good It hurts them! laughing
          3. +1
            4 August 2021 19: 51
            Interesting about the events of 1237-1241? What did you mean?
            1. 0
              5 August 2021 03: 35
              Does the name Batu (Batu) tell you anything?
              1. +1
                5 August 2021 09: 31
                No. And who is it?
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    2. 0
      4 August 2021 08: 57
      "under the heirs, and not under the respected Nikolai1" colleague Andrey "Olgovich" in fairness: it was Nikolai 1 who was the first to realize that Russia needed railways. You should know this well
  11. +4
    4 August 2021 07: 38
    The text of the article, in an untied manner, ....... bend, bend, bunch of veterans, smash in a crowd, idiotic reform, smoothly dived, and the like.
    Not serious.
  12. +4
    4 August 2021 08: 32
    sale of peasants without land is prohibited
    but allowed for withdrawal,
    It was interesting with the economy - under Nikolai, 350 steamers were built on the Volga alone (about a thousand in total), the first railways were built
    and the Black Sea Fleet, mostly sailing, turned out to be railways, do you have that railroad that the Angles built during the siege of Sevastopol? smile There were not enough highways.
    in the Baltic - to break through to Petrograd,
    to St. Petersburg. St. Petersburg, to Petrograd, was renamed in 1914, already under the second Nicholas. (
    the memory of Napoleon was alive, and Jacobinism sounded synonymous with Nazism in our times)
    . The author, well, you and crushes, however. You still put an equal sign between the USSR and Nazi Germany.
    1. +2
      4 August 2021 09: 35
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      but allowed for withdrawal,

      In fact, it is also prohibited, or rather very strongly limited. But as usual in Russia, the severity of the laws was compensated by their general non-implementation.
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      and the Black Sea Fleet, basically sailor turned out to be

      By the way, like the Allied fleet :)) Do you know how many steam battleships there were in the Allied fleet? Three out of thirty four. There is only one special building.
      It's just that when the first and second-strongest fleets unite against the third, no other tactics other than defensive defense can be seen.
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Do you also have the railway that the Angles built during the siege of Sevastopol?

      I think the author still means "Moscow-Petersburg" aka Nikolaevskaya, opened in 1851.
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      The author, well, crushes you, however.

      And here, Ivanov, oddly enough, did not lie. After the WFR and the Napoleonic Wars that followed it, there was a very wary attitude towards revolutions in society. And there was a very good reason for that.
      1. +2
        4 August 2021 10: 53
        By the way, like the Allied fleet :))
        and not about that, how many they have. If we had a lot of ships of the steam fleet (almost a thousand), so why so naval? Not surpassed, adversaries? In the number of steam ships. According to the author, the technical progress in Russia simply gushed like a fountain. Troops and ammunition were transported along the Nikolaevskaya railway to besieged Sevastopol? smile About a weighty reason. When, during the life of daddy Nicholas, an uprising broke out in Greece against the Ottoman yoke, Alexander refused to help the rebels, as a sign of monarchical solidarity, but Nicholas did not give a damn about her, about solidarity, although there were other reasons, but no less. And with the Hungarian uprising it is the same, and not Jacobism, which sounded synonymous with Nazism in our times (the wording is still the same)
        1. +4
          4 August 2021 11: 07
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          Not surpassed, adversaries?

          Yes, but what confuses you? The first and second fleets, even separately, are more powerful than the third, and only together.
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          almost a thousand

          However, do not confuse river and sea vessels.
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          When in still life daddies Nicholas, an uprising broke out in Greece against the Ottoman yoke, Alexander, refused to help the rebels

          Alexander is still not Nikolai's father, but an older brother. Under Paul I do not remember the uprisings.
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          the wording is still the same

          like all this author. request
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          Troops and ammunition were transported along the Nikolaevskaya railway to besieged Sevastopol?

          Well, who knew that the war would take place in this theater? But they were taken to St. Petersburg. By the way, there, too, a squadron of allies loomed nearby.
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 11: 27
            The number of steam. We forged them like nails, on the Volga it was not possible to push through from steam ships. I'm talking more about technical progress ... Yes, ... yes, the older brother, a jamb. God bless him with the railway. Few of them were expensive. (Although who knows, maybe steam locomotives were baked in Nikolayev's time, the same as pancakes were baked like steamers). Many Russian authors who did not write for VO in the 19th century noticed that there are two troubles in Russia ...
            1. +3
              4 August 2021 11: 32
              Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
              Many Russian authors who did not write for VO in the 19th century

              I really didn't know what VO came out in the 19th century :)))
              Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
              So they did not build much on the supposed theaters and highways.

              At that time, the main routes were waterways. Two arteries Dnieper and Don.
            2. +3
              4 August 2021 12: 28
              So they did not build much on the supposed theaters and highways.

              Let me know, what theater of operations was the Russian command supposed to be for the next big war?
              I will give you a hint:
              1. "... Highways were stretched from Bialystok to Grodno, Minsk and Bobruisk, from Brest to Grodno and Kiev, from Kiev to Dniester, from Pinsk to Dubno, from Bobruisk to Mozyr and Brest-Kiev highway, from Dinaburg to Vitebsk and Smolensk, from Smolensk to Orsha. " The key construction site is the Moscow-Varshavskoe highway. The largest paved road in the country at that time, passing from Moscow past the Bobruisk fortress to the Brest-Litovsk fortress, where it connected with the previously built Warsaw-Brest highway.
              2. Fortresses Brest-Litovsk, Novogeorgievsk, Alexander Citadel, Dinaburg.
              I think you can easily guess.
              1. +2
                4 August 2021 13: 08
                Thank you for the information, I left it out of brackets, unfortunately. As the main theater of operations, yes. The rest were not particularly taken into account, especially the Balkan. Little Russian South, cannot boast of highways. (Yes, I guessed the first time, not the third laughing)
                1. +3
                  4 August 2021 13: 36
                  Exactly so: the experience of the invasion of 1812 dominated the minds - they wanted to meet the enemy from the west in Poland, relying on powerful fortresses, and not "walk" with him to Moscow.
                  Even in the Crimean War, this played a role:
                  "In 1854, we stopped the Austrians only by a quick retreat beyond Seret and by our readiness to meet them with 170, in 000 - 1855, an army assembled in Poland. To what extent the concentration of large forces in the Kingdom of Poland influenced the actions of the Austrian government, It can be seen from the fact that when the English and French ambassadors insisted on the entry of the Austrians into Poland, General Hess replied that he was not able to oppose our 200 troops, assembled in the Kingdom ... "(from the note of Field Marshal Paskevich.

                  Actually, no one expected to wage a land war in the Crimea due to the presence of the Black Sea Fleet. If the fleet had done what it existed for, there would have been no siege of Sevastopol in principle.
      2. +2
        4 August 2021 10: 56
        I think the author still means "Moscow-Petersburg" aka Nikolaevskaya, opened in 1851.

        - In March 1855, at the height of the Crimean War, the British built a railway between Balaklava and the positions of their army near Sevastopol ... - 7 miles (11 km) of railway tracks were laid ... - After the end of hostilities, in May 1856 the British railway was dismantled and sold to Turkey.
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 11: 14
          Irina, I'm sorry, but what did you want to say with this?
          Colleague Daniil Konovalenko questioned the words "author"
          the first railways were built

          and absolutely in vain. They were like that. 640 versts
          That "in the wrong place" is a completely different question.
          But what did you want to say?
          You than climb into other people's branches, it is better to try to articulate clearly what is the "shame"?
          1. +3
            4 August 2021 11: 55
            And I did not express doubts that railways were not built in Russia .. There is a lot of pathos in the article. Just the golden age is depicted.
            1. +4
              4 August 2021 13: 00
              Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
              There is a lot of pathos in the article

              There are two extremes. to be touched by "the Russia we lost" and smear it with black paint.
              And as for me, there is not much difference between them.
              1. +3
                4 August 2021 15: 09
                Do you think I smear it with black paint? if you express doubts and bewilderment about what has been stated, where there are enough inaccuracies (Petrograd alone, what is worth), all black paint, an agent of the State Department, etc. etc. hi Good luck to you.
                1. -2
                  4 August 2021 18: 36
                  Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                  Do you think I smear it with black paint?

                  Polite people do not talk about those present :)))

                  Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                  Good luck to you.

                  Mutually hi
  13. +2
    4 August 2021 08: 48
    Colleagues, good morning. "To break through to Petrograd" the author, actually at that time the capital of Ingushetia was called St. Petersburg "St. Peter's city". It was renamed into Petrograd under the Provisional Government.
    To Petrograd in 1917 the Germans. Moodzun operation of the Baltic Fleet. In GV Yudenich and the English. Submarine L-55. "It's a completely different story" and a different era
    1. +2
      4 August 2021 09: 17
      By decree of Nicholas II, in 1914, it was renamed.
      1. +2
        4 August 2021 09: 50
        I'm sorry, I forgot such a detail
        1. +1
          4 August 2021 10: 06
          Not the case to ask for forgiveness, you are a well-mannered girl.
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 10: 17
            That is why I apologize for making a mistake in the chronology.
    2. +2
      4 August 2021 09: 24
      It was renamed into Petrograd under the Provisional Government.

      Actually, even a few years before the Provisional Government. In connection with the outbreak of the First World War.
  14. 0
    4 August 2021 09: 32
    Another bad story from Ivanov ... Here she is a victim of the Unified State Exam with aplomb ... And about the fleet, and about the history of Russia, and about the Second World War - our shot was disgraced everywhere ...
  15. +4
    4 August 2021 10: 42
    And then there was the peasant question - and Nicholas gradually led to the abolition of serfdom.
    so what didn’t cancel in the end ?! wassat The only emperor who really prepared this was Peter III, for which, in general, he was overthrown by a noble freeman.
    4. Hungarian War. The suppression of the Hungarian uprising is seen as a kind of gendarme operation of a strangler of freedoms and a tyrant against the poor Hungarians, but it was precisely that war against a 200-strong army. And the reasons were serious - these were the obligations under the Holy Union, and the unwillingness to have a revolutionary state on the border (the memory of Napoleon was alive, and Jacobinism sounded synonymous with Nazism in our times), and the active flirtation of the Hungarians with the Poles (there were Polish units in the Hungarian army - rioters). And we lost only 700 people in this war.
    Nicholas himself said the best about this war.
    “The most stupid of the Polish kings was Jan Sobieski, and the most stupid of the Russian emperors was me. Sobieski - because I saved Austria in 1683, and I because I saved it in 1848. "
    So the author is a minus, the article is weak
  16. +1
    4 August 2021 10: 46
    The Kingdom of Poland, which has its own army, constitution, governor (in fact, the monarch Konstantin Petrovich, oh, Alexander would have been nicknamed insane in another country for encouraging separatism in the outskirts).
    Only Alexander I was called "the last knight of Europe", Russian Hamlet, and even Don Quixote. After the victory of the Russian army over Napoleon, the Senate presented Alexander with the title of "Blessed". Our "Blessed" knight of Europe, whose troops were stationed in Paris, actually lost mediocrely everything that Russia had and could get. Such nobility, at the expense of the Russian people.

    A little better with Nikolai Pavlovich, he helped the Austrians, suppressed the Hungarian uprising. In gratitude for the betrayal of Austria, which entered into a coalition against Russia for the Crimean War. However, even greater meanness is Britain itself, which in no small measure survived and profited well, thanks to the alliance with Russia against Napoleon.

    How did our emperors rule that way, often to the detriment of their country? This, in its own way, concerns our "knights of Europe", in fact, from Paul I to Nicholas II.
    Here is a common saying that a Russian is good, then a German is death ... But what is good for a German? We somehow do not think that after Peter I, German blood predominates on the Russian throne, where most of the empresses are German, and the emperors are half-blood Germans.

    It is all the more surprising how our "lamb of God", Nicholas II, contrived to join the Entente against Uncle Wilhelm, to destroy the empire in alliance with England, which openly crap and "goat" the entire history of Russia, literally before that, having pitched Russia with Japan, which led to shame Tsushima and the 1905 revolution.
    Does history teach us what, with our new "partners", in their world bourgeoisie, under secret and overt masters in London and Washington? Two world wars, where the Germans and the Russians killed each other, and the Anglo-Saxons profited. Maybe it has long been a couple to embody the nightmare of the Anglo-Saxons, the alliance of Russia and Germany, reviving the renewed USSR and the renewed GDR, with a new pole of independent socialism?
    1. +7
      4 August 2021 15: 06
      Quote: Per se.
      Maybe it has long been a couple to embody the nightmare of the Anglo-Saxons, the alliance of Russia and Germany, reviving the renewed USSR and the renewed GDR, with a new pole of independent socialism?

      If the sensitive ear of Lyudmila Yakovlevna (Depressant) caught a rumble at this very minute, I would not be surprised. It dropped my jaw on the table, nearly breaking the keyboard. wassat laughing
      As with us, it turns out everything is simple: if you want - you are friends with one, you want - with another. Russian tsars, and all other rulers, including Stalin, are simply not friends with those, poor. It was necessary to be friends with the Germans.
      Well, socialism in our country, it turns out, is being built by the will of the ruler. You need to sit in the Kremlin on a large armchair, clasp your head in your hands, strain ... With all my might. If you are not strong enough, you can also call the Prime Minister. If you work hard all night, socialism will be in the country by morning. With the GDR at the same time.
      Do you even understand what you wrote?
      If you look at history impartially, England is our most consistent and loyal ally, with whom we have gone side by side in all major wars, including two world wars. And this is explained not by the banal sympathies or antipathies of the rulers, but by the objective interests of states - the elimination of forces claiming hegemony in Europe. As soon as Russia began to claim this hegemony, the Crimean War broke out, in which Russia was put in its place. Before that, France was put in the same place, after that - Germany.
      As for relations with Germany, then again everything is decided by the presence or absence of common interests. There are such interests - there is cooperation. There are contradictions - conflicts begin. Do Russia and Germany have common interests now? There is little. Cooperation in progress? It goes somehow. If there are more interests, it will go faster. The only way. Moreover, with everyone, not only with Germany. With China, for example.
      Well, about socialism ... This is generally beyond the bounds. Remember how much blood was shed during the transition from capitalism to socialism in Russia, China, Cuba, etc.? I am afraid that now socialism will appear in our country only if the Chinese conquer us, not otherwise. Well, or if our current capitalists completely lose their shores and begin to behave like Nicholas II and his associates, allowing a new bloody coup. Only now the world is not the same and no one will let us build a new state like a hundred years ago. Then they interfered, it was just that there was not so much strength after the First World War, but now they will be taken away in pieces right away.
      In general, I am for socialism. I like this system, I consider it advanced and, moreover, I believe that the future belongs to it. Capitalism is becoming a thing of the past, its time, it seems to me, is coming to an end. The change from the socialist system to the capitalist one in 1991 was a giant step back for our country - from the world vanguard, which was equal to half of the planet, to the role of being tied to a carriage moving into the abyss. But how are you going to build socialism in Russia now - I don’t know. Do you really think that it can be done like this - by a strong-willed effort by someone in the Kremlin?
      1. +3
        4 August 2021 15: 54
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        to do it like this - by a strong-willed effort of someone in Cre

        Mikhail said well: I wanted to steal your post and pass it off as my own! hi
        1. +1
          4 August 2021 17: 31
          Now that they have confessed, it will no longer be a theft - a secret embezzlement, but a robbery - an open one. They give two years more. smile
          In order not to lead you into temptation - I give. Do whatever you want with it. smile
          In general, thanks for the rating. I am pleased when they praise me. smile hi
          1. +1
            5 August 2021 09: 47
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            In order not to lead you into temptation - I give.

            Thank you Mikhail, otherwise I am afraid that the punishment will be the round-the-clock reading of articles by some of the authors of this resource, and I will not survive this. hi
            1. +1
              5 August 2021 10: 03
              Execution for Hitler, invented by Yuri Nukulin during the war: to memorize the "History of the CPSU" in Hebrew. laughing
      2. +3
        4 August 2021 16: 27
        Damn everything is right ... Then we were still lucky, during the construction of the first socialist state, that for some time the West was busy with the pursuit, and then trampling and humiliation of Germany and the intervention was so local, and then the crisis phenomena of capitalism led to the fact that that somehow to solve their problems, and then suddenly the same Germans, Americans caught the benefit of cooperating with us for some time. And now no one will give any time for the construction of a new state construction, not a second
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 17: 37
          So we are waiting for socialism to take over the world in a natural way. We are protecting China with our missiles, so that they do not accidentally hit it, and imperceptibly, piece by piece, we are feeding it our economy - the most peaceful way to change tracks. It's only a shame that in this case, too, we will have to shuffle in the tail, whereas before we were at the head. But it's better for China than for the West.
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 17: 40
            Is the option of a gradual transition within the country to Chinese-type socialism, in your opinion, impossible?
            1. +7
              4 August 2021 18: 42
              And where will the oligarchs go? Those who have money, the media, their own micro-armies in the form of security services, staffed by highly qualified professionals and equipped as the police do not dream of? Those who have power in the form of the president, ministers, deputies, journalists, judges and who are not going to share this power? The ones who can buy anyone and make them sing their song? They will fight for their position, their property, with all their might, without stopping at nothing - they will put their opponents in their courts on the basis of their own laws, defame their media, they will kill someone with a loot, raising him on a social elevator and turning him into " his own ", whom and a bullet (a car accident, heart attack, accident at work will also do). What are the odds against them?
              To defeat them, you need to be richer than them - there is no other way. China is richer than our oligarchs, it can buy everything from them, but we can only take away. But it will not be possible to take it away - they are too strong, in any case, now and in the foreseeable future, no changes are foreseen. Therefore, if we want socialism, we learn Chinese. smile
              Along this path, however, we will have to say goodbye to a part of state sovereignty (even China will not be able to completely absorb us), but this will be the true price to pay for the 1991 catastrophe.
              The second option - like a hundred years ago - is a popular revolt. But for this it is necessary that "the upper classes cannot," but for now they "can." And this is a sea of ​​blood, from which we are unlikely to swim out, with which you, in fact, have already agreed.
      3. 0
        5 August 2021 11: 05
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        It hit my jaw on the table, nearly breaking the keyboard.
        Mikhail, I see you have fun with might and main, just a new critic-parodist Ivanov, one that is not poetry. Although you have found your "bread", I will add a plus from myself.
        Do you really think that it can be done like this - by a strong-willed effort of someone in the Kremlin?
        No, I don’t think, I just expressed my opinion in the commentary on Nicholas I, and in general to our autocrats in general. That's all, but ...
        Then rose and barking,
        And only the old Parrot
        Shouted loudly from the branches:
        - The big giraffe - he knows better!

        I am also for socialism, how it will return, time will tell. Definitely, in our chosen capitalism there is no bright future for Russia.
        As for friendship with the Germans, there is no need to flirt and mix everything up for fun. I just noted that our kings and queens were not alien to German blood, this time. Second, it was hardly worth fighting for the Entente, generally getting involved in this war for world domination in capitalism, between Britain and Germany, which challenged her. Here, Hitler, here, on the contrary, is a big mistake, trying to see in German National Socialism a lesser evil than in the bourgeois governments of the then Europe. Hitler and brought to power with one goal, to create an anti-USSR out of Germany, to crack down on independent socialism with the hands of the Nazis.

        GDR? Yes, it was one of the most loyal allies. Many Germans remember the socialist past, and not in a negative light. Now Germany, though the "locomotive of Europe", is actually a henpecked country occupied by the Anglo-Saxons. In my humble opinion, it is with today's Germans that we need to look for points of contact. Naturally, for this, Russia also needs a strong government, without the lobby of those who have all the junk kept by our enemies, and all of them are in the West. Here, both Germany and Russia, it is necessary to get out of the alien pole of power, and this can only be socialism.
        1. +1
          5 August 2021 15: 28
          Sorry, I did not understand the true message of your first comment. It seemed to me that he wrote a man who considers himself smarter than all ancestors and modern times.
          Seeking common ground means looking for common interests, and this is what politicians do at all times and epochs. And these interests, as a rule, are objective in nature, while constantly changing their form and content. Do you want to be "friends" with Germany? Find many common objective interests with her. If there are any. If not, the "friendship" will not take place.
          As for socialism, I expressed my position above. For its construction, preconditions are needed, which we do not have now, and in order to create them, workers' organizations are needed. Those same trade unions in the original sense of this concept. Able, as our ancestors did at the beginning of the last century, to organize all-Russian a strike at all enterprises in the country, striking a blow at the most sacred and painful place of the capitalists - at the wallet. Now the shortcut to socialism is to sell our oligarchs, along with factories, newspapers and ships, to China. smile
          1. 0
            6 August 2021 06: 35
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            Now the shortcut to socialism is to sell our oligarchs, along with factories, newspapers and ships, to China.
            Mikhail, I would look at it differently here. All our oligarchs have a stigma in the cannon, all somehow violated the law, had connections with criminals. In addition, most of them are renegades who have betrayed the party and the communist idea. All of them have a dossier, compromising evidence.

            Wish our real colonel, it is enough to tell them - a suitcase, a train station, London, otherwise on a bunk. And, in any case, nationalization and confiscation of everything that they have gained by "back-breaking labor" while plundering Russia. In any case, Benito Mussolini set conditions for his mafia in Italy, the mafia moved to the United States. So, there is no problem to return socialism, especially since the USSR must remain legally, its dissolution by drunks from Belovezhskaya Pushcha is not legal.

            Therefore, there would be a desire in power, and the people and the army would support the return to a socially oriented state, to a truly people's power.
            Finally, in China, our bad boys don't care for anyone, they've already betrayed them once.
    2. +1
      4 August 2021 15: 51
      "Alexander 1 was called" the last knight of Europe ", and was not Paul 1 called" the knight on the throne. "He was the master of the Order of Malta
    3. +1
      4 August 2021 16: 10
      "the renewed USSR and the renewed GDR" if there are any theoretical plans with the USSR "Andrey from Chelyabinsk" told the USSR-2 then it was not even science fiction from the GDR. Do you want to know what preceded the creation of the GDR?
      1. +1
        4 August 2021 16: 36
        When they ask me where I was born, I say the GDR, so often especially those born in the 90s ask this type of where?))
        1. +1
          4 August 2021 16: 45
          However, they know "well" the recent history
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 16: 49
            One traffic cop made me happy, the place of birth was written by Pozdampt ... How ?? Well, this is a completely different story .. And as a child I liked the cartoon about Lefty and felt sorry for him when he ran and shouted, they say, the British do not clean their guns with a brick ...
            1. 0
              4 August 2021 20: 29
              I remember this cartoon
  17. +8
    4 August 2021 11: 16
    Actually, it was Arakcheev who was an ardent opponent of military settlements, but being an extremely executive person, having received the order of the emperor, he was forced to carry it out. Good material on this topic was right there on "VO". The author, be careful. And there was a good article on the Hungarian uprising here. One of the main reasons that forced Nikolai Pavlovich to enter this war was that the "freedom-loving" Magyars, having seized power, immediately began to spread rot on the Orthodox Rusyn population of Transcarpathia.
    1. -3
      5 August 2021 23: 35
      Palkin's Orthodox population was on the drum. Their Orthodox were turned into slaves and there was nothing. idiot then take it. Think put a couple of activists of thousands of Russian men in greatcoats, but why should they want to-women still give birth. These benefits ended with the international isolation of Ingushetia in 1853, when Austria moved troops to the border of Ingushetia :) during the Crimean War. that Nikolashka Palkin passed on his stupidity to his geek alexashka liberator (peasants from their land) .This cretin allowed the formation of the German Empire - (the union of the three emperors, Bismarck beat everyone :)
      consistently defeated its competitors in the person of Austria and France. And this predictably ended in 1914 and then 1917. Therefore, Nikolashka the bloody does not look like such a complete degenerate, the war with Germany actually began in 1866 after the Battle of Sadovaya. To the honor of the Russian dynasty of Romanovs, I must say that the Austrians turned out to be no less idiots ...
  18. +7
    4 August 2021 13: 00
    Strange impression from the next opus by Ivanov.

    Nothing really strange. The author's message is extremely clear - using a historical example to show how useful it is for decades "not to rock the boat" and not to change the helmsman. And it seems that the owl has already stretched itself onto the globe, but the Crimean War and its results, which are the natural result of many years of "stability", do not fit into the paradigm in any way, because the author, having twisted, decided to declare it a catastrophe, which suddenly and for no reason overtook "rowers in galleys. "Russian statehood.
    1. 0
      5 August 2021 23: 36
      Well seized and strangled ... subscribing ...
  19. +2
    4 August 2021 15: 32
    "Nicholas slowly led to the abolition of serfdom" it seems that serfdom, as such, began to be abolished from Livonia, in the mid-30s of the 19th century. As my history teacher told me, with a sadistic wording: "at the" request "of the landowners ". The landlords just did not want the abolition of serfdom, but if the emperor said that they were "asking" then they were asking
  20. 0
    4 August 2021 17: 54
    "someone wanted it as before under Catherine, someone wanted rigor - as under Peter" - it is called: "swan, cancer and pike" and this always leads to a loss.
    PS. Something reminds me of the current situation
  21. 0
    4 August 2021 19: 51
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    But Sardinia, which has no claims to Russia at all, sent troops to Crimea.


    Sardinia worked off French loans (and that would remind me) and help in uniting Italy.
  22. +1
    5 August 2021 05: 32
    Quote: Gardamir
    he started well.
    And I think that the railway track, different from the European one, saved Russia in 1914 and 1941.
    This did not prevent the Germans from transferring troops and creating superiority. In the Second World War, captured steam locomotives and carriages were generally used.
  23. +1
    5 August 2021 19: 38
    Here either as Ivan Vasilyevich the Terrible or Joseph Vissarionovich and everything will work out or under-half and you will be strangled with a scarf. When you want to infringe on the ruling class even deservedly 100500 times, it is better to cut them off immediately, even the most violent ones (with children and household members, of course). This requires serious preparation - you have to rely on someone for this. You need brains, eggs, an iron will and, for fidelity, a correctly chosen historical moment.
    1. +2
      5 August 2021 23: 39
      It is correctly written. Therefore, the proletariat, the revolutionary class, is a high organization and a unity of interests.
  24. +1
    5 August 2021 23: 15
    Spiritual billberry.
  25. +1
    6 August 2021 15: 35
    Well, yes, like if we hadn't lost the Crimean and serfdom would have dissipated by itself, along with the estates. And the factories would have introduced an 8-hour working day, sick leave and vacations with vouchers to the dispensary.
  26. 0
    9 August 2021 15: 37
    "We are accustomed to being a superpower, but it turned out that we are weak, Europe can en masse seize half of the Russian fortress and the naval base" ...
    In my humble opinion, this is precisely the indicator of a superpower: all of Europe en masse for a whole year tried to seize a sea fortress, defenseless on the land front - and at the cost of huge expenses and huge losses, the West Europeans for a whole year only managed to push the Russians from the southern side of the fortress to the northern side of the fortress. Moreover, the "winners" themselves did not enter the South side, since it was shot through and through from the North side above it.
    As one modern Georgian chronicle says: "Four kings fought with Tsar Nicholas for two years, and could not do anything, but he took Kars."
    Apparently, very large funds were invested by our Western partners in the corresponding information company, which made a "defeat of Russia" out of the excellent defense of Sevastopol ...
    1. 0
      10 August 2021 17: 33
      From a purely technical point of view, Russia's defeat in the Crimean War was due to the allies' massive use of rifled weapons with expansion bullets. Not inferior to smoothbore guns in rate of fire, muzzle-loading primer rifles with Minier bullets were many times superior to them in the range of actual fire. This is what caused the defeat of the Russian troops in the field battles in the Crimea.
      The artillery on both sides did not differ technically, which led to the dubious successes of the Allies during the siege of Sevastopol.
      In principle, with minimal attention, Russian industry would be able to arm the army with rifled weapons, even with a flintlock.
      They coped with the most difficult task of building the Kronstadt fortress.
      And yes! Unlike the defeat in the RYaV, the outcome of the Crimean company did not give rise to anybody's desire to test Russia's strength.
      The allies were folding the shop, making small crossings, like a grit-tsa, Thank God, they got out!
  27. 0
    10 August 2021 17: 22
    Well, in general, yes!
    Nikolai Pavlovich is an outstanding sovereign. In fact, it was he who created a normally functioning state machine, on the basis of which his son was able to abolish serfdom.
    It is a pity that Alexander Nikolaevich did not inherit the iron will of his father, and that is why the abolition of serfdom was so hesitant and half-hearted.
    It was the unresolved problem of the land that ultimately led to the collapse of the Russian Empire.
    Unfortunately, the shock caused by the Decembrist revolt turned out to be too strong and led to the excessive conservatism of the reign of Nicholas I.
  28. 0
    10 August 2021 23: 46
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    Quote: Andy
    “They will strangle me as they strangled my father”;

    Sobsno, and I'm talking about it.

    Absolutely.
  29. 0
    20 August 2021 23: 49
    "... Russia could smash the rest: either one by one or in a crowd ....."
    huh
    Well, the lost Crimean War showed us about "throwing our hats".

    And about the "third place in the world" - so until the emergence of the mighty and aggressive German Empire (1870), there was little left.
    The rapidly developing USA - the North American United States - was sweeping at full steam.
    These countries, before the First World War, will occupy the first (USA) and second place in terms of GDP.
    1. 0
      4 October 2021 07: 17
      Well, actually, Russia lost the war to the two most powerful powers at once. Moreover, they separately were economically superior to Russia.
      It’s like the United States and China would have pounced on us now.
  30. 0
    4 October 2021 07: 15
    If the article claims to be a story, then Arakcheev should not be tied to military settlements. There is no need to repeat the stories of his "well-wishers". It is known that he was opposed to settlements, and the idea was entirely of Alexander I.