Into a new world through vaccination?

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With two articles by a colleague of Fedorov on the compulsory nature of universal vaccination, he came to the conclusion that the second point of view on this issue has the right to life.

Of course, in presenting my opinion, I can easily do without epithets like “sectarians”, which my colleague Fedorov admitted in his materials, just a series of reflections on the topic “Why I haven’t grafted myself yet”.



I must say right away that I am not at all an anti-vaccine, I was vaccinated against the flu with pleasure, there was also a case of tetanus, but here there was a failure in the program. And I joined the ranks of the "partisans", which until you drag under the needle.

But the most interesting thing is that I did not close the doors for myself. Like many others. And I do not exclude the possibility of participating in the vaccination campaign, when, let's say, some conditions will be met.

Many will not like it, but thanks to another colleague, respected Alexander Privalov, I can imagine in great detail how everything happened in Israel. Alexander sent me for personal review reports on how everything happened with them, so for comparison I use Israel. With its luxurious medicine and social services.

Yes, of course, our country is not Israel at all, I understand the difference, but nevertheless.

So what confuses me about the vaccination campaign in Russia?

1. Submission of information. Another hysteria

Not the main reason, but a very significant one. I don't understand why it is impossible to organize a normal explanatory campaign in the country (no, I understand, but more on that in the next paragraph), why there must be hysteria.

As a person who was born almost 50 years ago, already fed up with it. “Vote, or you will lose”, “Vote, or NATO will come and take out all the resources”, “Pension reform or everything will collapse”, “The Constitution, or gays will come” and so on. The whole problem is that we are losing from election to election, only a completely blind or stupid person does not see the degradation of the political system, NATO soldiers and gays, it is true, did not come, but somehow it seems to me that they were not particularly going to come.

But it is a fact that instead of sensible explanations, stupid "antiquated" events began in accordance with the eternal double standards in Russia. So much has been written on this topic that I don't want to repeat myself. But I was always amused by the selectivity of the covid, who did not impress anyone at football, Krymnash, rallies for the adoption of the new Constitution, crowds artificially created by Sobyanin in the metro, and raged at rallies against the authorities and in pubs after 24 hours.

Perhaps, by the way, I still haven't gotten sick (except for a really strange week in December 2019) because I don't go to rallies against and I don't sit in a cafe after midnight. True, I don't go to football and rallies "for" either.

What the authorities have organized in Moscow (and as a carbon copy throughout the country) cannot be called smart and logical. And plus "we will fine, we will imprison, we will fine, we will fine, we will fine." An interesting whip method against the backdrop of frankly stupid "events" that simply left thousands of people unemployed.

But the hysteria about "you all will die tomorrow" was just wonderful. However, after the experienced cataclysms, it was no longer "catchy".

2. Rules of the game

Probably, the main reason for the reluctance to go to the vaccination center was the very rules of the game. And the most important reason was the complete lack of parity.

Into a new world through vaccination?
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Okay, "the situation is threatening, everyone has to inject themselves." If the state says so, every normal citizen is simply obliged to go and get vaccinated. And the state is obliged to guarantee the citizen support and compensation "if something happens."

And how is it going with us? And so that it seems that it is necessary to inject, but before that the citizen signs a document in which he refuses all possible consequences for the rest of his life. Even if this end comes a month after vaccination.

The state does not bear any responsibility for the fact that it obliges the citizen to be vaccinated. The citizen himself is to blame for all subsequent events and consequences.

When the citizens of Israel were obliged to inject with an experimental drug (and it is still experimental, like Sputnik), they were issued insurance. Money was paid in the USA. Not big, but paid.

And in our country, citizens are simply twisted their hands, they are frightened of not being allowed to work, and the state and the vaccine developers do not want to answer for possible complications and "unfavorable outcomes". An interesting approach.

Well, it is necessary - then it is necessary. But why is everything so one-sided? Why is no one willing to be held accountable for the consequences?

For myself, I made the following conclusion: when everything will become clear with the drug, when the data on real contraindications will be published again (and not wiped out), when our representatives of the authorities and (probably, most importantly) developers will stop playing informational leapfrog (in the next paragraph ) - then we'll talk / think about it.

3. Gentlemen and the rules of the game

This is the second most "weighty" item. Personally, I did not at all like the informational leapfrog that was arranged by everyone, both government officials and vaccine developers.

The fact that Moscow is openly "burying" the vaccine from Novosibirsk does not give confidence in either one or the other. Ugly.

The fact that representatives of the authorities are openly lying, saying that they have taken root from the very top, is also the case. Governors have more than once come across the publication of very "strange" pictures of "grafting" through the sleeve of a shirt and so on. And higher is no better.

The main anti-advertiser turned out to be the president himself, who seems to have taken root, but does not remember when and what. And does not allow anyone to come to a decent distance. This leads an ordinary man in the street to two thoughts at once, which I will not voice here. But I thought both at once.

With regards to the leapfrog itself.

Unfortunately, there was so much information around vaccines that caused frank surprise that legs did not go to the point.

Pregnant women can not - pregnant women can - pregnant women need it. The evolution happened in just two months. It's the same with children. It is impossible - it is possible - it is necessary.

The question arises: on what basis were such conclusions drawn? Where was it tested (contrary to prohibitions)? Who is responsible for this?

Who studied how safe the drug is for children? This question is especially interesting. Who conducted the child safety trials of the vaccine and who will be responsible for this? For future children? Who tested it? Who will be in charge? There are no answers, there is no one in the courts. Not encouraging.

The constant change of information does not inspire confidence. That vaccine was "live" for three months, then six months, now increased to 8 months. Next, apparently, there will be a year.

Recently, Sputnik's developer boasted that its drug would protect people for more than a year. Then the term was reduced to a year. Today we are told that we will need to inject at least three times every six months.

In this case, the pricked ones also become infected and infect others, but they carry the infection in a milder form. However, many unvaccinated people also tolerate it mildly. I have examples of both the first and the second. The unvaccinated die. However, the vaccinated also began to die.

Ours argue that Sputnik is able to protect against all possible and impossible strains that are and will be. Let's just say, a very strange statement. But in Israel they say that the effectiveness of the active drug against the new Indian strain is only 64%. The protection was effective against the previous strain.

And we have? And we cheerfully said - go ahead, everything is fine. Sputnik will protect you from everything.

Recently, the deputy head of the Gamaleya Research Center, Denis Logunov, said that the new Sputnik strain works, but its effectiveness decreases 2,6 times. That is, the efficiency is about 38%. But at least you can trust the academician.

In general, today we can state that the advertising campaign did not play its due role. There is no certainty and she has nowhere to come from.

4. Political-oil component

Tell me, what does oil have to do with it? With that, politics. And money.

What an important political aspect is present in everything is understandable. Persuade to vaccinate all the same people who persuaded "to choose the right". Who gave me "Plato" and another not weak increase in prices, which have been struggling with poverty and prices in Russia for a long time and are invariably losing. Every year. Gasoline, diesel fuel, gas, housing and communal services, food - everything is growing, and these people just shrug their hands beautifully on TV and say that these are global trends. And nothing can be done here, because the market.

But if the market - sorry, I don't like the way the market advertises the provision of vaccination services. Without guarantee, without responsibility, without anything and exclusively at my expense.

Moreover, these same people, under a plausible pretext, deprived me of the funded part of my pension. As I understand it, forever. These same people added five years to my pension on the pretext that they could not pay me my pension, even taking into account my expropriated money.

I don't even want to talk about the Constitution.

And now, from all screens and even from the coffee maker, the call for vaccination rushes. In terms of intensity, there is even an overwhelming call to support the Constitution or elect Putin once again.

But I can't believe that they care about me so much. Well, at least kill, at least infect with covid - but I can't believe it. Because again everything is at my expense. As with a pension. As with the prices. As with everything in this country. The state has never done anything decent for its citizens - and then suddenly an attraction of unprecedented generosity ...

Involuntarily you begin to think about bad things. That one dose of an under-tested drug costs money. Foreigners paid 1300 rubles for Sputnik. Let it be 1000 at a discount, although, as is customary with us, ours are more expensive. Like gas and gasoline. The population of our country is 146 million people. Considering that now they plan to vaccinate everyone in a row, then here's the result: vaccination plus repeated, on average three doses per person - almost 500 billion rubles. And in turn, this is almost $ 7 billion in turnover.

Well, I can't help it, in such a situation I feel like oil. Who is not asked whether she wants to go into the pipe or not.

For all other things, despite the rather mediocre results in Europe with this vaccination, I understand that this may be a useful thing. But for this it would be necessary that this time with the state everything was more or less reciprocal. I understand that the market and business, I understand that Sobyanin makes money on masks, Chubais on vaccines, in this country everyone who can make money on the population. It is our karma to be oil for power if real oil is worthless.

BUT.

If the state insists on injections so much, let it provide guarantees to law-abiding citizens.

That would be fair. Or an honest choice, without coercion and twisting of hands (we will fire / inadmissible to work / fine), without dividing into right and wrong, without trampling on the Constitution again.

That is, I am neither "for" nor "against". I am for what we have not had in our country for a long time - for honesty and justice. For the mutual responsibility of citizens to the state and - especially - the state to citizens.

Agree, if we have a market and all that, coming to the store and buying products, in case of their inadequate quality, I have to demand a return, replacement, compensation if I get poisoned. Why should it be different with the vaccine? Why should I waive any claims for “voluntary” vaccinations?

Most of all I do not like this particular moment. I owe and owe, and in return - a complete zero. Moreover, there is a minimal set of information on the basis of which I cannot make a conclusion about how the vaccine is suitable for me.

Well, the general vaccination in mobile stations, where people are simply vaccinated, not at all interested in the possible consequences, is generally something. I watched this show at the mall. "Are you all right with your health?" - an affirmative answer is more than enough to “start the process”. Sorry, I cannot call this a professional approach. We do not have healthy people a priori, there are those who are not fully examined.

But I am sure we will talk about the consequences of such vaccination later, when the results are available.

Now proponents of vaccination will say: "everyone should himself" and all that. No. If the state wants me to be vaccinated, it must make sure that it does not harm me. The examination is at least in order to determine which vaccine is more suitable and whether there are any real contraindications. And insurance with coverage for potential damage in case things go wrong.

That would be a serious approach. Then I would feel like a citizen who has responsibilities to the state, and not an oil well.

Until then, excuse me, I prefer to wait. Until the moment when the results of the tests, which are being carried out today, are ready. Let's just say, I am simply exercising my right, given to me by the Constitution, nothing more. I hope no one will dispute it?


And as an afterword, two calls.

First. To those who are grafted. I do not understand the source of your aggression, which you demonstrate towards those who have not yet done so, but sometimes you get the impression that some kind of insult is gnawing at you. Therefore, the unvaccinated must be on the reservation, infringed on their rights, fined, deprived of medical care, and so on.

Let's do it this way: not only do such statements do not paint those who betray them, they are also illegal. Until the legislative base is changed, while the courts confirm the illegality of dismissals and restrictions on the unvaccinated - let's do without such appeals. This at least looks ugly.

Second. Let's all the same respect our great and mighty Russian language. Not only is he great and mighty, he is also beautiful. I do not know what kind of poor student he launched, and the rest picked up, but: dear readers, vaccinations are not given. Give enemas. Of course, if you were vaccinated by the method of injecting the vaccine through the anus into the rectum or directly into the colon - then yes, you were vaccinated. Enemy.

If the vaccine was administered using a syringe or air pistol, alas, you were vaccinated.

We have such a tendency, when at one time for many all the "last" suddenly became "extreme", all en masse turned out to be pilots, now they went to the "fershaly-chiropractors".

Well, we are Russians, let's still communicate in Russian. And may the last vaccine given to you protect you from more problems than the last vaccine delivered.

Cheers!
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    1. +51
      3 August 2021 04: 48
      Quote: Cottodraton
      Another dissatisfied with everyone

      in fact, the author is absolutely right in posing the question.
      b. For the mutual responsibility of citizens to the state and - especially - the state to citizens.

      the fact that you are "voluntarily" vaccinated at the same time in case of side effects the state does not bear any responsibility - well, at least annoying.
      1. +21
        3 August 2021 06: 02
        Quote: atalef
        at least annoying.

        This is at least!
        1. +39
          3 August 2021 06: 59
          Quote: kalibr
          This is at least!

          And masks and gloves and the pandemic will disappear on orders from above!
        2. +4
          3 August 2021 11: 45
          You know, dear Vyacheslav, the editors treat you at least with a complaint, this is noticeable. But, as such articles, there is no meaning (I just understand it, thanks to Roman!), But SUCH number of errors are allowed to be broadcast belay
          1. +1
            3 August 2021 13: 42
            Quote: Alien From
            the editors treat you at least with a claim

            Do not quite understand what the claims are? And why? I didn't notice something ...
            1. +1
              3 August 2021 13: 48
              Let me explain. You have a verified text. And the author has a mistake on a mistake.
              1. +10
                3 August 2021 15: 12
                Understood. I did not understand from the beginning. But it's that simple. I have a proofreader system that notes all errors. Then there is the Novotekst system - this even rules punctuation. So there is nothing to be surprised at. But why the errors here are ... incomprehensible. The author was probably worried. This happens. He wrote with "the blood of the heart".
                1. +3
                  3 August 2021 18: 45
                  Vyacheslav Olegovich! Of course the author is on "emotions")))
      2. +10
        3 August 2021 07: 13
        Didn't get sick. Even when 20 percent of the total staff remained at work, I conscientiously continued to carry out my job duties - for myself and for that guy. And this despite the fact that I constantly move in public transport, go to the store, etc. There was even a case that, on official business, I had to drive around the city in a car with a person who went on sick leave the next day due to covid, but even then it carried away - fortunately, I, the driver, and my colleague did not take pictures all this day. masks, so I can confidently say that masks work, although for this they need to be worn by everyone, including the infected, and preferably not on the chin - as our citizens like to do. During the annual medical examination (which took place in November of that year), the management went broke on antibody tests, as it is not difficult to assume, my result was zero. Since then, I have not undergone a second examination, and by and large there were no reasons for this, because even a runny nose did not bother me. In total, there are about a dozen people in the office of such "lucky ones". Naturally, the vaccination process began with us - with those who were not sick, because apparently healthy people should not remain in principle. The only thing that for a long time "saved" me personally from the injection is the aggravation of my chronic sore - neurodermatitis, which intensified after 3 years of remission. The sore is not dangerous, but the comfort of life (as well as my appearance) reduces, and even has an immuno-allergic nature, and therefore is prone to relapse. In general - honey. diversion. I was even glad for some time that I suffer from a similar disease. The rest were inoculated with the Sputnik. It seems without complications, the cellular signal also seems to have remained at the same level (although the chips may operate on different principles - I don't know). In my case, the giveaway game lasted until mid-July, when, due to the lack of antibodies, I was transferred to the distance (which, by the way, I was not even when the whole country was on lockdown). The salary remained the same, but the incentive was removed. Okay, I thought - you can't earn all the money in the world, health is more expensive + savings on transport and meals. But then, as if for evil, my colleague quits, he is my shift and understudy, and therefore, for the full performance of duties, you need to go to work. There is no choice - you need to vaccinate. What the management unobtrusively reminded me of. In principle, I decided for myself a long time ago that as soon as I stabilize my condition, I will definitely go and give the vaccine, only not Sputnik, but Kovivak or Epivak, as a less reactionary vaccine. However, no one is going to wait until my body decides that it is time to return to normal form. Now we have vaccinated those who have already been ill, they put Sputnik Light on them - after all, you must somehow Ms. Gloikova, directly affiliated with the leadership of Nitsam them. N. F. Gamaleys, somehow earn their billions, right? As a result, they also decided to inoculate me with this vaccine, since it is a single injection, which means that you will not have to wait until I put the second component and the next day you can go to work. I don’t know how my body will react to this - dermatologists cannot give an answer to my questions about vaccination, tk. not competent. The only thing I hear from them is that you cannot die, but how neurodermatitis, which is already aggravated, will behave, is not clear. Let's see what the doctor will say at the vaccination point, if he turns me on - even if the management has a headache, what to do in this case.
        1. +6
          3 August 2021 15: 50
          Quote: Dante
          but even then it carried

          I sympathize. This mask showed itself so. Gastrointestinal upset is the most common complication of wearing a mask for a long time without replacing it.
          1. 0
            3 August 2021 16: 08
            Hahahaha ... funny. True, in my case, this word has a slightly different, less physiologically expressed meaning, implying avoiding trouble.

            My mask is the most common - woven. At the very beginning, I bought 10 pieces, which I periodically change. I process them with the most common household soap and iron them with an iron - that's enough.

            In general, in my understanding, laundry soap is the most universal remedy that can not only kill pathogenic microorganisms or cleanse pollution, but also, for example, whiten the conscience of some unlucky comedian who is prone to producing very flat and inappropriate jokes. Especially in this case, laundry soap is effective when combined with a rope. Try it - you won't regret it.
            1. +7
              3 August 2021 16: 26
              Quote: Dante
              Try it - you won't regret it.

              And all you think about people, you are incessantly worried ... Thank you for your kindness and care.
              1. +2
                3 August 2021 17: 10
                Quote: Dante
                Try it - you won't regret it

                But, to be honest, I joked inappropriately and not funny. Don't be offended, okay?
                1. +2
                  3 August 2021 20: 40
                  Don't be offended, okay?

                  I am in no way offended, Alexey. Sometimes I really want to once again devalue all the accumulated problems with loud, loud laughter. It's a pity that it rarely works out ...
        2. 0
          4 August 2021 10: 54
          Quote: Dante
          my colleague did not take off their masks all this day, so I can confidently say that masks work, although for this they need to be worn by everyone, including the infected

          Masks work if the patient wears them, if they are healthy, and the patient sits without a mask and sneezes - whether you have it or not
          1. +1
            4 August 2021 13: 25
            Masks work if the patient wears them, if they are healthy, and the patient sits without a mask and sneezes - whether you have it or not

            Quite right, that's exactly what I said.
        3. +1
          4 August 2021 13: 36
          Update as of 04.08. I went to the vaccination station. Just in case, I took an extreme certificate from a dermatologist. In the questionnaire issued for filling, he honestly indicated the presence of neurodermatitis. Then there was a doctor's appointment. We carefully looked at the questionnaire, compared the readings with my appearance, asked if there were any documents confirming the presence of the disease in the acute stage. Has presented. As a result - honey. withdrawal until the state is stabilized. Of course, maybe I was trite lucky and in my case it was just that the doctor conscientiously approached her official duties, but the fact is the fact. True, I don’t know how we will handle the situation together with the authorities regarding the direct performance of work duties, but I think we’ll come up with something. In the end, as I understand it, the suspension of non-sick employees who have contraindications to vaccination are largely advisory in nature. Whether it is so or not, we will see.
      3. -15
        3 August 2021 09: 14
        the fact that you are "voluntarily" vaccinated at the same time in case of side effects the state does not bear any responsibility - well, at least annoying.

        No need to be vaccinated. Let natural selection work.

        1. +18
          3 August 2021 09: 57
          Quote: Arzt
          No need to be vaccinated. Let natural selection work.

          Colleague, you posted a button accordion)))
          Let me remind you of the chronology of the stuffing of hellish tin:
          1997-bird flu
          2009-swine flu (a huge number of pigs were destroyed in households)
          2020 is a new attack.
          Farmushka, lobbyists, people are in the red again.
          By the way, we still do not know the origin of the covid, artificial or natural.
          Lack of information causes talk, conspiracy theories and the worst - a clash of opinions "for" and "anti".
          In general, we charge water from the TV and do not "steam".
          1. +4
            3 August 2021 10: 38
            Colleague, you posted a button accordion)))
            Let me remind you of the chronology of the stuffing of hellish tin:
            1997-bird flu
            2009-swine flu (a huge number of pigs were destroyed in households)
            2020 is a new attack.
            Farmushka, lobbyists, people are in the red again.
            By the way, we still do not know the origin of the covid, artificial or natural.
            Lack of information causes talk, conspiracy theories and the worst - a clash of opinions "for" and "anti".
            In general, we charge water from the TV and do not "steam".

            I don't watch TV, I communicate with real people.
            In the nearest kovidny resuscitation in July out of 82 past, 48 were covered.
            Among them, not a single one was vaccinated.
            And in general, since the beginning of the year, not a single one has been vaccinated among the dead.

            1. +2
              3 August 2021 10: 57
              Quote: Arzt
              I don't watch TV, I communicate with real people.

              Colleague, do not take my comment solely at your own expense)
              Just an illustration)))
            2. +1
              4 August 2021 11: 07
              Quote: Arzt
              Colleague, you posted a button accordion)))
              Let me remind you of the chronology of the stuffing of hellish tin:
              1997-bird flu
              2009-swine flu (a huge number of pigs were destroyed in households)
              2020 is a new attack.
              Farmushka, lobbyists, people are in the red again.
              By the way, we still do not know the origin of the covid, artificial or natural.
              Lack of information causes talk, conspiracy theories and the worst - a clash of opinions "for" and "anti".
              In general, we charge water from the TV and do not "steam".

              I don't watch TV, I communicate with real people.
              In the nearest kovidny resuscitation in July out of 82 past, 48 were covered.
              Among them, not a single one was vaccinated.
              And in general, since the beginning of the year, not a single one has been vaccinated among the dead.


              I work in St. Petersburg in a network of vet clinics city, the total staff for all clinics is about 500 people. Specifically, 2 people from my clinic got sick with a kind of crown, everyone contacted them, but only 2 were ill. From the entire state, no one died, not even heard of hospitalizations. I myself go to work 5 days a week by tram and then by metro. Every day I communicate with a bunch of strangers. My parents were ill, too, it seems like a corona because the PCR was negative, and on CT, pneumonia. In general, if all the relatives are taken, then a person 7 has been ill. The fact that the fully vaccinated get sick and die is not denied by the state as well. I am not an anti-vaccine, and my child and I are vaccinated against everything, but with the corona vaccine, a Munaya story, with the author's opinion, I agree on all points
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 13: 05
                I work in St. Petersburg in a network of vet clinics city, the total staff for all clinics is about 500 people. Specifically, 2 people from my clinic got sick with a kind of crown, everyone contacted them, but only 2 were ill. From the entire state, no one died, not even heard of hospitalizations. I myself go to work 5 days a week by tram and then by metro. Every day I communicate with a bunch of strangers. My parents were ill, too, it seems like a corona because the PCR was negative, and on CT, pneumonia. In general, if all the relatives are taken, then a person 7 has been ill. The fact that the fully vaccinated get sick and die is not denied by the state as well. I am not an anti-vaccine, and my child and I are vaccinated against everything, but with the corona vaccine, a Munaya story, with the author's opinion, I agree on all points

                How blessed everything is with you.
                Among my friends, doctors, there is not a single one who has not recovered from the disease. Many 2 times. And I have two hundred friends. wink
          2. +6
            3 August 2021 14: 53
            Avian influenza was later, in the year 2004-2005. You still missed SARS, this is about 2013-2014, by the way, it also has a pathogen from the family of coronaviruses with the sars- prefix.
          3. +5
            3 August 2021 15: 53
            Quote: Stroporez
            Until now, we do not know the origin of covids, artificial or natural.

            Do you care? Or, since artificial, then you do not need to be vaccinated, but if natural, then with a cry "Urya-ah" run to the vaccination center? Which poison do you prefer: natural hemlock or synthetic derivatives of lysergic acid?
            1. -1
              3 August 2021 18: 34
              Quote: astepanov
              Do you care? Or, since it is artificial, then you do not need to be vaccinated, but if it is natural, then with a cry "Urya-ah" run to the vaccination center?

              What are you talking about? I suppose that if the virus is of artificial origin, then it was bred for some kind of use, in fact, against a person, in this case, humanity, accordingly it can be considered as a weapon of mass destruction with not yet studied properties and consequences of use. And what kind of vaccine will be able to localize and defeat this virus, which, as events show, is capable of radically mutating.
          4. 0
            3 August 2021 21: 50
            And by 2030 there will be another attack. It is even more dangerous if there are no other troubles before that, as a result of which the movement of people across the borders will stop.
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          5. +2
            5 August 2021 15: 42
            In general, we charge water from the TV and do not "steam".

            I will add from myself to the article, there were also promises that Covid could not withstand warm weather. "Behold, summer will come and Kovidu - the end ..." (c)
            Yeah ...
            And we have? And we cheerfully said - go ahead, everything is fine. Sputnik will protect you from everything.


            Well, the general vaccination in mobile stations, where people are simply vaccinated, not at all interested in the possible consequences, is generally something. I watched this show at the mall. "Are you all right with your health?" - an affirmative answer is more than enough to “start the process”. Sorry, I cannot call this a professional approach. We do not have healthy people a priori, there are those who are not fully examined.

            Saline is colorless, harmless, and cheap. Attention to people is important.

            First. To those who are grafted. I do not understand the source of your aggression, which you demonstrate towards those who have not yet done so, but sometimes you get the impression that some kind of insult is gnawing at you. Therefore, the unvaccinated must be on the reservation, infringed on their rights, fined, deprived of medical care, and so on.




            Idiot's dream. Self-critical.




            Instead of links.
        2. -4
          3 August 2021 17: 52
          Quote: Arzt
          No need to be vaccinated. Let natural selection work.

          Dear Yuri! I understand your gloomy humor about anti-covid / anti-vaccines and I fully share your and Vladimir Putin's belief that, although the best solution against a severe course of covid disease is the Russian vaccine, the decision to vaccinate should be purely voluntary. Each a Russian has every right to decide whether he is vaccinated or not in the event that his possible illness does not affect others. But also each a Russian has the right to demand safety from everyone around him from a possible covid disease! There is no aggression in this, this is a legal right each Russian. As the famous revolutionary Bakunin said: "The freedom of one person ends where the freedom of another begins." And this is normal and correct!

          Therefore, I absolutely DO NOT understand the absurd, cunning and wild (in my opinion) arguments of opponents of vaccination against covid and their demand free movement among people in human society. Opponents, both naive and direct, as a pillar, and sly, cunning. And they are completely outraged by the attempts of some unscrupulous politicians and propagandists to use concern for the health of Russians, the fight against covid, and vaccination in the political struggle. Thomas Carlyle also said: "Every revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and inveterate scoundrels use its fruits."
          1. +10
            3 August 2021 23: 14
            cunning and wild (in my opinion) arguments of opponents of vaccination against covid and their demand for free movement among people in human society.


            The person is not sick or vaccinated. He is not a carrier. What makes you think that he
            more dangerous than you vaccinated? Have you heard the tricky word "revaccination"? How can you confirm that your immunity is still there? They promised two and a half years, then six months ... This is the average. Secondary... This means that there are fewer cases.
            Look, this is not typhoid, not plague, not smallpox. This is the flu. And vaccination from him is not a guarantee of paradise from the Pope. And to get vaccinated once a week with every trip to the bathhouse is without me.
            So either accept the law and take responsibility for the consequences, or go to the garden and do not meddle in someone else's life.
            1. +7
              3 August 2021 23: 46
              Quote: dauria
              The person is not sick or vaccinated. He is not a carrier. What makes you think that he
              more dangerous than you vaccinated? Have you heard the tricky word "revaccination"? How can you confirm that your immunity is still there?

              Greetings, Kamrad! hi Your thoughts are in tune with mine. I just want to add that over the 30 years of my observations of the current Russian Federation, from the moment of its formation to the present day, I have not noticed a single case of the state's concern for its citizens and believe in its generosity for disinterested total vaccination, I have no reason, especially knowing the reputation of the red-haired reptile Chubais and no less disgusting naked, shearing the loot from vaccination.
            2. -1
              6 August 2021 11: 35
              Quote: dauria
              The person is not sick or vaccinated. He is not a carrier. What makes you think that he is more dangerous than you vaccinated?

              A certain number of people have recently appeared in Russia DON'T BELIEVE that twice two is four, three times three - nine, four times four - sixteen .... Usually they intensively "rub in" it before the elections. Do they need to prove that they are wrong? Not sure. smile smile
          2. +1
            5 August 2021 11: 53
            Read about "antibody-dependent intensification of infection."
      4. +1
        3 August 2021 09: 51
        Quote: atalef
        Well, at least annoying.

        Reread the health care law. Nobody gives up on the possible consequences.
        ... Article 20. Informed voluntary consent to medical intervention and to refuse medical intervention

        1. A necessary prerequisite for medical intervention is the giving of informed voluntary consent of a citizen or his legal representative to medical intervention on the basis of complete information provided by the medical worker in an accessible form about the goals, methods of providing medical care, the associated risk, possible options for medical intervention, about his the consequences, as well as the expected results of medical care.
        1. 0
          3 August 2021 10: 20
          And where are the guarantees. A warning of consequences and ... This law is just anti-coercion. Someone, strongly liberal, pushed through in their time
          They wrote it when only swindlers of all stripes and werewolves in uniform flowed from oil into the pockets of the bourgeoisie and actively pinched the population.
        2. +5
          3 August 2021 10: 43
          30 thousand from death and 10 thousand from side effects)) Isn't that a concern)
        3. 0
          3 August 2021 21: 53
          The guarantee is that even if you are not vaccinated without a medical outlet, you will not be denied medical care. And if you get sick after the vaccination, you will also be treated.
        4. +1
          5 August 2021 12: 33
          Before vaccination, you write a waiver of claims and assume all responsibility, completely removing responsibility from the state.
      5. -14
        3 August 2021 12: 33
        in fact, the author is absolutely right in posing the question.


        As for the responsibility of the authorities to the people for vaccination and its consequences, because of the lies that they carry here everything is to the point, but the author again tries to cram everything into the article and Plato and the change in the constitution and the retirement age, everything that personally prevents him from living so diligently he is trying to convince everyone else of this, of course, this is his business, but the quality of the article slides down to the level of the yellow liberal press.
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 08: 59
          I understood the author's logic, if you do not understand the presence of constitutional amendments and the retirement age in this publication, then these are the problems of your logical thinking ... The author shows examples and draws analogies, this is a demonstrative style of presentation.
          1. +4
            4 August 2021 14: 08
            I understood the author's logic, if you do not understand the presence of constitutional amendments and the retirement age in this publication, then these are the problems of your logical thinking ... The author shows examples and draws analogies, this is a demonstrative style of presentation.


            I just don't have any problems with this, but the author clearly has the same thing from article to article, a clear hatred of the authorities, no matter what topic he undertakes. In my opinion, if you are writing about a problem, write the facts, and not this endless hooting, Yaroslavna's crying to her God.
      6. +4
        3 August 2021 15: 12
        The unforgettable Head of Rospotrebnadzor Anna Popova just recently issued another pearl- [media = http: //www.kp.ru/daily/28310/4451346/]. That is, I can infect a cat, but he cannot me or another person. That is, the virus is present, but not transmitted. This is what .... they occupy leading positions in responsible positions. They do not even think that they are "voicing". They do not drown or smell.
        1. 0
          3 August 2021 19: 06
          That's what shit is for! If the post is deleted, save it! hi
      7. +16
        3 August 2021 15: 31
        Quote: atalef
        the fact that you are "voluntarily" vaccinated at the same time in case of side effects the state does not bear any responsibility - well, at least annoying.

        It strains .. that the state has generally ceased to perform the functions of protecting citizens .. The novel writes about guarantees .. but our state does not guarantee anything at all .. except for extortions, bans and poverty.
        Personally, I do not give the vaccine, due to distrust .. I don’t trust the raw vaccine made on my knee .. I don’t trust the state, which somehow took a sharp look at my health .. when the retirement age is raised, prices are raised .. including medications .. and here you have .. compulsory vaccination .. with a vaccine, which is not even a year old .. I also don’t trust the statistics that doctors cook up on orders from the top .. in general, everything is so rotten that about the state it is possible obligations to a citizen can be forgotten .. now only a citizen is obliged to the state .. and the state has thrown off all its obligations and asked to treat this with understanding .. That's when citizens are massively asked to treat with understanding for non-payment of housing and communal services, taxes, loans .. here only then, probably, the state will remember that it also bears obligations to citizens.
      8. 0
        3 August 2021 15: 38
        Quote: atalef
        the fact that you are "voluntarily" vaccinated at the same time in case of side effects the state does not bear any responsibility - well, at least annoying.

        Especially against the background of information that those who are vaccinated were insured in Israel. This is at least some kind of responsibility of the state.
      9. +5
        3 August 2021 17: 31
        Quote: atalef
        the fact that you are "voluntarily" vaccinated at the same time, in the event of side effects, the state does not bear any responsibility - well, at least annoying


        On the night of August 2, a 24-year-old boy, Mikhail Kharchev, died in Kholuy.
        "- He was at work (he worked as a senior investigator in the Ministry of Internal Affairs) was forced to get vaccinated," his mother said on social networks. When an ambulance was called, he could hardly walk and could not speak, he just moaned. Doctors manually pumped air for several hours, because he could not breathe. At three in the morning he was gone ... "
        The family is awaiting the results of the research being carried out in Shuya. Previously, the doctors reported that pulmonary edema was recorded.
        https://www.ivanovonews.ru/news/1102172/
      10. 0
        3 August 2021 21: 56
        Don't strain yourself. Not worth it ... There is a war, you are in the militia. You were given some kind of weapon. What guarantees do you write? This is ridiculous.
      11. +3
        4 August 2021 01: 16
        very reasoned article, in contrast to the hysterical article "Yellow Star of David and the vaccine
        discrimination in Russia ".
        in many respects, the author's opinion coincides with mine, of course, responsibility should be mutual, vaccinators should be responsible for the consequences.
  2. +5
    3 August 2021 04: 17
    The state encourages citizens to get vaccinated, but does so without due respect ... wink
    1. +10
      3 August 2021 04: 43
      Not the state, but the state deer.
      1. +2
        3 August 2021 15: 36
        Quote: Alexander Matrosov
        Not the state, but the state deer.

        And they are not a state .. a whole herd has gathered .. very numerous .. and useless.
    2. +14
      3 August 2021 05: 06
      Quote: tasha
      The state encourages citizens to get vaccinated, but does so without due respect ... wink

      Well, if they bring you bread at the vaccination site - a nurse in a kokoshnik and bows to the belt - will that suit you?
      And in case of side effects - they will be sent with respect wink
      1. -6
        3 August 2021 05: 16
        I've been waiting for my turn for a month. At 5.08 recorded wink hi I went the usual way, government services, this-syo ... Raz-gil-dyai !!! wassat
        Well, if they bring you bread at the vaccination site - a nurse in a kokoshnik and bows to the belt - will that suit you?
        Haha. Your comment has successfully hit my mind, now I will voice it.

        Dear VO commentators! Conduct a thought experiment. Imagine that someone who you respect very much comes up to you, personally to you. Any. Acting politician, historical figure, literary character. No matter.
        He comes up to you personally, takes the tube out of his mouth (hehe) and says: "Dear Imarek. The country needs you to be vaccinated against a dangerous disease."
        What is your answer? This answer does not need to be written here, but it will become clear why you think that way ...
        1. -2
          3 August 2021 05: 45
          DayOn the day, I instilled in myself and loved ones and employees on public services, moreover, in time exactly. Previously, it was necessary to be vaccinated, and not to sit on a daisy pulling
          1. +3
            3 August 2021 13: 10
            Quote: dmlescs
            Day to day

            We do not have a queue at all ... They come, even by private means, they do it, they leave ... They distribute "Sputnik", there is nothing else. As there are no queues, from the word at all!
        2. +23
          3 August 2021 07: 11
          takes the tube out of his mouth
          First, you started to hang the Mausoleum, talk about galoshes. And now you are burning so much that for vaccination, you are ready to call on anyone, just to earn billions.
          The country was different, the people knew and believed. And now, the development method is on the knee. They blinded a vaccine from what was. You yourself do not believe what will protect. So you refuse to guarantee. Well, plus, this window dressing is annoying. If the holiday is organized by the authorities, then you will not get sick.
          1. -6
            3 August 2021 07: 29
            First, you started to hang the Mausoleum, talk about galoshes. And now you are burning so much that for vaccination, you are ready to call on anyone, just to earn billions.
            -Then, on the ruins of the chapel ...
            “Did I ruin the chapel too?”
            Eh, Gardamir, Gardamir ... I have no words ... You are not called Peter by chance?
            1. +14
              3 August 2021 07: 43
              I have no words
              Very well. First you write any character, then this one any takes the tube out of his mouth. From morning till night they talk about evil in the Soviet Union, now with various tricks, "but in the USSR they were vaccinated, and they did not ask anyone." Strangely, the present ones deny any Soviet experience. And now, when it burns out, they are suddenly ready, but remember the USSR only about vaccination.
              1. -9
                3 August 2021 07: 52
                Eh, Uncle Petya ...
                I really have no words. The last time such a reaction was when I came to the local republican Communist Party and came across a madam. Enchanting insanity. And it seems that age is not yet for the heyday of dementia, but look ... hi Good luck, health, and please ignore my comments, okay?
              2. -1
                3 August 2021 08: 57
                "but in the USSR they were vaccinated, and they did not ask anyone."

                The vaccines were different. They did not affect human genetics.
                1. +6
                  3 August 2021 10: 40
                  Are the vaccines different? And how did they differ from the current ones?
                  And yet - where did you get the information about the effect of modern vaccines on human genetics? Any research done? Maybe there are results?
                  1. +23
                    3 August 2021 10: 59
                    Quote: Perforator
                    And yet - where did you get the information about the effect of modern vaccines on human genetics? Any research done? Maybe there are results?

                    Here! There was no research, but they are forced to vaccinate.
                    1. -3
                      3 August 2021 11: 17
                      So if, in your opinion, there was no research, then where does the fear for the human genome come from, eh? A discrepancy ... Someone pours water on purpose ...
                      1. +22
                        3 August 2021 11: 55
                        Quote: Perforator
                        Someone pours water on purpose.

                        "Look for who benefits"
                      2. -7
                        3 August 2021 13: 08
                        Judging by the fact that in Europe, in the USA, in Israel, etc. the percentage of vaccinated people exceeded 50, and they are not vaccinated there by "Sputnik" and "Epivac Corona", are you hinting that this is all hysteria from Faizer and AstraZeneca? From there "legs grow"?
                    2. -3
                      3 August 2021 16: 31
                      .. for some reason I believe more academician Klesov .. He said that this sore is not for Europeans, there are other more southern peoples ..
                  2. +3
                    4 August 2021 11: 28
                    Older vaccines are weakened viruses. They did not contain the abortive material HEK 293 (English Human Embryonic Kidney 293, ru. Human embryonic kidney). That is, they did not contain human flesh. New contain. Any vaccine against covid is a genetically engineered high-tech product. It contains proteins of messenger RNA or DNA. These agents integrate into the human genome, change it, modify it, edit it. Countries with the most vaccinated populations now have the highest incidence of Covid.There are currently statistics that the higher the vaccination rate in a country, the higher the incidence of real cases of Covid.
                    All this I wrote not from the wind of my head, but from the words of scientists - opponents of vaccination. So if you argue, so not with me, but with them.
          2. +24
            3 August 2021 08: 39
            Quote: Gardamir
            And now, the development method, "on the knee". They blinded a vaccine from what was. You yourself do not believe what will protect. So you refuse to guarantee. Well, plus, this window dressing is annoying. If the holiday is organized by the authorities, then you will not get sick.

            The behavior of the vaccinated is especially touching. winked In general, the conditional person was not even going to be vaccinated, but the tough admin's hand forced and then the newly vaccinated person becomes an ardent adherent of progress in the form of vaccinations. Well, of course, he was vaccinated, and the others are hosing, disorder, "I wish that everything."
            1. +4
              3 August 2021 12: 18
              Particularly touching is the behavior of the vaccinated winked under duress. In general, the conditional person was not even going to be vaccinated, but the tough admin's hand forced him and then the newly vaccinated person becomes an ardent adherent of progress in the form of vaccinations. Well, of course, he was vaccinated, and the others are hosing, disorder, "I wish that everything."
              You reason strangely. I was vaccinated, but I had no desire to force everyone to vaccinate. I was also given a condition, either you get vaccinated or quit. Or do you judge by yourself? Those. is it all you?
              1. +6
                3 August 2021 13: 30
                Quote: AKuzenka
                You reason strangely. I was vaccinated, but I had no desire to force everyone to vaccinate. I was also given a condition, either you get vaccinated or quit. Or do you judge by yourself? Those. is it all you?

                You may be the exception that only proves the rule)
                Although, your comment, just the same, illustrated my innocence, there is some aggression in it towards me.)))
                1. +4
                  3 August 2021 14: 32
                  there is some kind of aggression towards me.)))
                  You are not the author of the joke about "No beer" ?! laughing
                  1. +6
                    3 August 2021 14: 49
                    Quote: AKuzenka
                    You are not the author of the joke about "No beer" ?!

                    Nah, not me laughing Only I came up with such a harsh comment, even furious, and then bam and relaxation laughing It's good when there is humor laughing drinks
                    1. +4
                      3 August 2021 15: 44
                      laughing Please contact. Do you want humor ?! I have it!
                      1. 0
                        3 August 2021 23: 27
                        Quote: AKuzenka
                        Please contact. Do you want humor ?! I have it!

                        This pleases, and then on VO, lately, with humor tight.
            2. +5
              3 August 2021 13: 12
              Quote: Stroporez
              and then the newly vaccinated becomes an ardent adept


              Nobody canceled the Stockholm syndrome)))
          3. +14
            3 August 2021 09: 10
            Among my relatives and friends, almost everyone has been ill with covid! The results are different, including fatal ones! Where did they cling? a difficult question, but we did not participate in mass events either for or against! One from Sochi brought a souvenir, most of them when communicating with the "wounded" who returned from fishing, from a trip to the mountains, etc., and there are those who simply fell ill with something for some reason and it turned out to be a covid what I am not vaccinated due to indiscriminateness at the vaccination points, I came, you were given wassat I do not know how the vaccine will affect me and therefore I do not want to participate in an experiment on myself while I manage with a mask and sanitizers feel
            There was a conversation with a doctor, his answer to the indiscriminateness of the vaccine: "The virus is most likely artificial, it does not behave normally! A common virus weakens with mutations (by the way, they said on TV), but this one just acquires new properties! In vaccinated people, mutations do not occur, so they try to vaccinate as many people as possible in order to stop the mutations of the virus! That is, the task is not to protect the vaccinated person, but to save humanity! "
            At the same time, I agree with the author that the authorities behave as usual, putting pressure on patriotism, the responsibility of a person and using a stick, without carrots, or at least declaring the responsibility of the state if something goes wrong with a person after vaccination. In my circle of acquaintances there are cases of strange coincidences, people infected with covid after vaccination, people naturally believe that they got infected precisely from the vaccination, as in fact, no one explains anything to them!
            1. +6
              3 August 2021 10: 18
              At the same time, I agree with the author that the authorities behave as usual, putting pressure on patriotism, human responsibility and using a stick, without carrots, or at least declaring the responsibility of the state, if something goes wrong with a person after vaccination

              At the first stage, the authorities were unable to organize the production of the required number of vaccinations. This can be confirmed by the fact that Putin's conversation with Macron was made public, where Putin asked for help with the production of a vaccine. Also, some countries are asking for a refund of the advance for undelivered doses.
              Therefore, initially, the government did not call on everyone to be vaccinated, when they began to call for more vaccinations, but doubts had already arisen.
              1. +4
                3 August 2021 11: 11
                Regarding production capabilities, maybe as you describe, and by the way, for the establishment of production, the authorities can put a bold + good the work has been done really great and in the shortest possible time, the authorities are coping with these tasks.
                I am stopped by the indifference of the performers and the complete lack of investigation of the facts of infection and their analysis and assessment. As a result, restrictive measures are contrary to common sense and are more like imitation of Europe, for example.
                Confused by the facts of infection of friends after the first vaccination. How I assess this: the vaccine contains a real virus, but deprived of the opportunity to catch on to the body and develop in it. He is deprived of this opportunity during the production of the vaccine, perhaps due to haste, a marriage is allowed and a full-fledged virus gets into the vaccine, therefore there are cases of infection with the vaccine, as was the case with my friends. Those. with the help of vaccination, you have, albeit a minimal, but chance of getting infected. Has anyone investigated such cases at all? gave some explanations for situations when a person was vaccinated with the first component, he had a fever and did not subside, and after a couple of days he did a test and it turned out that he had a covid! There is NOTHING of the kind, there is no such information and no comments were given to my friends. Based on the foregoing, I have the right to think as I want, I fully admit that I am mistaken, since I am not a biologist, not a pharmacist, not a technologist. But I am at risk due to a chronic disease, taking precautions I manage to avoid infection, i.e. my health is in my hands, but the vaccine can infect me with unknown consequences, and from experience I can say that if you are in the group of the weak, then the process goes very quickly, if you are infected there you cannot sleep at all, and you still may not have time. If there was information that such a factory made a mistake, or such a party was defective and control somehow increased, the party was withdrawn. Or they conducted a study of the issue or even an investigation (as they do in China) and pointed out to friends where they caught the infection, then I could analyze the layouts and make a decision, but while I look at how the vaccination is going. Many acquaintances have taken root and they are doing well, many even without ailment. You look and I will be ripe for vaccination.
                1. +6
                  3 August 2021 13: 22
                  Quote: Eroma
                  Confused by the facts of infection of friends after the first vaccination. How I assess it: the vaccine contains a real virus

                  This is only "kovivak" like that, and they also need to be injected with luck in order to get to the right place and time where it is distributed. And from "Sputnik" there can be no infections, but side effects are easy. Actually, side effects can be from anything, for example, what happens if saline has gone wrong:
                  chloride acidosis,
                  overhydration,
                  hypokalemia,
                  hypernatremia,
                  nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach cramps,
                  lacrimation, sweating, fever,
                  tachycardia, arterial hypertension,
                  impaired renal function, edema,
                  headache, dizziness, anxiety, weakness

                  So "pain at the injection site" is not even a side effect, but a concomitant one))))
            2. +3
              3 August 2021 20: 19
              A common virus weakens with mutations, but this one only acquires new properties!
              Well, in general, yes.
              A virologist I know explained it to me like this: a virus can mutate either towards increasing pathogenicity or towards weakening pathogenicity. So, those viruses that mutate in the direction of amplification kill the body, i.e. deprive themselves of this habitat and, accordingly, themselves perish.
              But viruses that mutate in the direction of weakening pathogenicity, they survive in the body (in the environment) without giving it much trouble. Those. the virus in its evolution is going to weaken (become a runny nose).

              But vaccination, depriving the virus of its habitat, contributes to its mutation in the direction of increasing pathogenicity. Those. the vaccine leaves the virus only one way to survive - it is to overcome the subneutralizing level of antibodies (read mutate in the direction of amplification), if the virus fails to overcome this level, then it dies, and if it succeeds, then humanity gets a new more pathogenic strain of the virus.
              True, this virus (more pathogenic) kills the organism (its habitat, survival) and eventually (if it does not have time to infect someone) dies itself. And if he manages to infect someone, then sooner or later he will die anyway, or will begin to mutate towards weakening.

              So yes, any virus evolves towards weakening pathogenicity.
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 02: 52
                So yes, any virus evolves towards weakening pathogenicity.


                Informative ... And it seems not contradictory. And the conclusion is even more interesting - nafig vaccination, on the contrary, we leave the isolated area to the mercy, throwing a maximum of doctors there for severe cases. We deduce such a "makar" a weak mutation of the virus and let it go to the people by opening the gates. Everything has poured - and order.
                1. -1
                  4 August 2021 08: 14
                  And the conclusion is even more interesting - nafig vaccination

                  In principle, yes, especially for RNA viruses (they mutate very often), for DNA (they mutate much less often), a vaccine is also possible.
                  ---
                  As far as I understood, there is such a picture: if 100 unvaccinated people get sick, then, relatively speaking: 10 will get seriously ill, 40 - average, 50 - easily.
                  And for 100 vaccinated people the picture will be (relatively speaking) as follows: 30 - hard, 10 - medium and 60 easy.
                  Those. vaccinated people get seriously ill more often. And accordingly, a more pathogenic strain of the virus can be picked up from the vaccinated more often.
                  ---
                  Below "Balu" gives interesting statistics on Israel, it just shows that it is the vaccinated who are most often seriously ill.
                  ---
                  Well, for greater persuasiveness, the position of Luc Montagnier
                  Montagnier says:

                  Universal vaccination is a huge mistake. This is a scientific error and a medical error, so to speak. What is happening is completely unthinkable, and one day you will have to answer for it. It is vaccination that spurs the creation of new strains of the virus. The Chinese virus encounters the antibodies created by the vaccine, and it has two ways: either to die, or to look for a way to bypass the vaccine. The new strains are the virus's response to vaccination.
                  1. 0
                    4 August 2021 10: 16
                    Well, for greater persuasiveness, the position of Luc Montagnier


                    Well, you have to be a doctor. To advise something in these matters.
                    But the fact that now, after the start of vaccination, it is necessary to tighten control, especially for vaccinated - it is a fact. Do not consider them holier than the pope, but on the contrary - remember that 20 out of a hundred vaccinated get sick in a mild form and carry the virus without even knowing it. This figure is from the "dock era" of seasonal flu shots. I don’t think it’s any different now. And very quickly to vaccinate, first of all, the elderly, and only then - all.
                    1. +1
                      4 August 2021 12: 51
                      now, after the start of vaccination, it is necessary to tighten control, especially for the vaccinated
                      Vaccination has two sides (or rather three): medical,
                      political and commercial.
                      "Now, after the start of vaccination," the situation has improved only for the commercial side (and even then not for the state - for the state, losses)
                      The medical side has become noticeably worse: both in terms of combating covid (we will get our new strains) and in terms of the normal functioning of the health system as a whole (you will not really get to any doctor, everything is subordinate to vaccination).
                      In political terms, the situation has generally become threatening (for the state) - the people are embittered to the point of impossibility: first of all, by the compulsion to vaccination through the threat of suspension from work, the people (who are patriotic for the most part!) Are split into those who are for vaccination and those who are against.
                      ---
                      Covid is not as bad as the political consequences of forced vaccination.
                      If closer to the elections start (and they will start as there is scientific reason) mass publications about the uselessness of vaccination against new strains (new more pathogenic strains caused by the vaccination itself) - then what will the compulsorily vaccinated people say to this?
                      ---
                      Further more, what will the forcibly vaccinated (and voluntarily vaccinated who believed the authorities) say if they are informed that the very fact of vaccination carries harm to health the person?
                      What happens if experimental vaccines actually begin to harm the health of the compulsorily vaccinated?
                      Will the forcibly vaccinated keep silent or join the protest movement?
                      ---
                      The medicine should not be more dangerous than the disease itself.
          4. 0
            3 August 2021 14: 24
            And now, the development method is on the knee. They blinded a vaccine from what was.
            Type of import substitution: our enterprise (NPP) is switching to Astra Linux instead of Windows, who knows what Astra is (it's complete crap, our people get hysterics because of it). Product level, late 90s .....
          5. +8
            3 August 2021 16: 23
            Haha. First, the warranty is for 3 years, then for a year, then for 6 months. As a result, we do not guarantee even for six months. This is an experiment. Let them experiment on themselves. Moscow, pseudo-war in parrot uniform and regional reindeer herders.
        3. +9
          3 August 2021 07: 44
          Quote: tasha
          I've been waiting for my turn for a month. At 5.08 recorded

          Come on? We have no problems, no queue. At work, they have already eaten all the bald spots, they threaten, then they persuade.
          I personally encountered two cases of refusals to receive routine medical care without vaccination.
          People are forced to be vaccinated, what this leads to, see the video.
          1. +3
            3 August 2021 08: 04
            "Come on? We have no problems, no queue."
            Like this. A friend of mine also called 12.07 - 13.07. Maybe there was a window, maybe something else ...
            I'm not looking for easy ways, I signed up at the beginning of July for state services, my application was sent to the clinic, and in the clinic no one began to process it until 16.07. Then only they could and now ...
            1. +21
              3 August 2021 08: 23
              Hello! I also took root (the children were taken under the knots - you, old, are at risk, go ahead) without any queues, the truth is that we have the same city, the name is the same - a couple of streets and a lane ... In general, people do not trust this business because they often deceived us painfully. And they promised to lie down on the rails at one time, and not to increase the retirement age, so where does it come from, trust in this ...
            2. -1
              5 August 2021 00: 23
              Quote: tasha
              I'm not looking for easy ways, I signed up at the beginning of July for state services, my application was sent to the clinic, and in the clinic no one began to process it until 16.07. Then only they could and now ...

              I also failed to sign up for public services. Apparently this program is full of bugs or its interface for communication requires the qualifications of an experienced specialist higher than mine. It looks like the state is familiar with this problem. And for this, the bulk of the vaccinations is done quickly, efficiently and without computer red tape in temporary centers, in our city in the MFC .. You fill out 2 forms and, in turn, get vaccinated for free. The only infuriating thing is that irresponsible citizens are in them without masks, which increases the risk of infection during vaccination, since full immunity is developed 30-40 days after the first dose is administered. I would equip vaccination centers with video cameras with recognition of faces and masks, and 30 days after the introduction of the first dose, I would send to citizens who took off their masks or who were wearing it incorrectly a fine of 10 thousand. This is similar to how violators of the mask regime are fined in Turkey.
          2. +12
            3 August 2021 08: 49
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            People are forced to be vaccinated, what this leads to, see the video.

            A terrible story, a girl became an orphan one day ..... But who will be responsible for this?
            From personal experience. The wife's cousin, who was only allergic to fluff, fell into a coma after vaccination .... two weeks of resuscitation, then another month of treatment, as a result group 2. Moreover, two times she "jumped" from the vaccination, motivating the refusal with the disease, the third did not work out. And all because it took a certificate from the treating person, the appointment to which was 3 weeks, and the vaccination at the institution was scheduled after 3 days ...
          3. +3
            3 August 2021 17: 39
            We also have no queues. "Well, think about an injection, injected and went." Only an analogy as in Bulgakov's "Heart of a Dog" (slightly in the other direction, but the meaning is the same) bully
            - But why do you refuse?
            - I do not want.
            - You do not sympathize with the children of Germany?
            - Sorry.
            - A, fifty dollars a pity?
            - Нет.
            “So why?”
            - I do not want…
        4. +14
          3 August 2021 09: 41
          Quote: tasha
          He comes up to you personally, takes the tube out of his mouth (hehe) and says: "Dear Imarek. The country needs you to be vaccinated against a dangerous disease."

          I think the character with the pipe you are alluding to, for a start, would attach to order request for vaccination
          a long list of those executed and imprisoned in the next "Case of Pest Doctors", adding to it a similar list of effective managers who are guilty of turning the fight against a dangerous virus into a circus with horses and clowns.
          1. +2
            3 August 2021 10: 01
            I think the pipe character you are hinting at is

            Ernest Hemingway or Sherlock Holmes? bully
            1. +3
              3 August 2021 13: 32
              Quote: tasha
              Ernest Hemingway or Sherlock Holmes?

              Quote: tasha
              (hehe)


              Meehan! )))
          2. +1
            4 August 2021 10: 21
            So after all "Every mistake has a name and surname!"
        5. +1
          3 August 2021 11: 57
          And there is common sense in your comment!
          1. 0
            3 August 2021 12: 11
            Not invented by me. hi But the main thing is to observe safety precautions. Find the answer and that's it. Do not enter into a discussion with this person, and if someone else connects, take the medicinal solution urgently! fellow
      2. +1
        3 August 2021 05: 33
        Yes ... 10 years ago there were smart and interesting people here, you could read comments, talk, leaf through the literature on the topic, learn from them. And now those who need to write directly: (Sarcasm) after the post, what would have gotten to them.
      3. +7
        3 August 2021 08: 32
        Quote: atalef
        Well, if they bring you bread at the vaccination site - a nurse in a kokoshnik and bows to the belt - will that suit you?

        Kokoshniks will not work here, but if they throw a cry, get vaccinated for 500-1000 rubles (as options, a bubble, a kilo of sugar, buckwheat, etc.), then the marginal part of society will get vaccinated before lunch the next day. smile
      4. +4
        3 August 2021 10: 38
        On July 26, the presenter and general director of the TNV TV channel Ilshat Aminov, on the air of the "Seven Days" program, called the opponents of vaccination brainless rams.
        ".... And if nothing can be explained to some brainless ram and, forgive me, a cow, then they need to be forced for the sake of the survival of the whole herd."

        That's how it should be with respect
      5. +2
        3 August 2021 12: 48
        Quote: atalef
        nurse in kokoshnik

        Not in a kokoshnik, but a swimsuit

        Quote: atalef
        bread - salt

        Not bread and salt, but top-less

        It would be much more fun with an information blockade ... There will be something to remember if something goes wrong
    3. 0
      3 August 2021 05: 34
      Neither subtract nor add. Exactly. Capaciously.
  3. +14
    3 August 2021 04: 32
    I agree with the author on all points. As for the vaccination itself, how it goes on with us, voluntarily, strictly compulsory, it is generally something with something. I believe that this is a violation of all the main articles of the Constitution, the right to work, rest, freedom of movement, etc.
    1. +5
      3 August 2021 08: 35
      Quote: Van 16
      I agree with the author on all points. As for the vaccination itself, how it goes on with us, voluntarily, strictly compulsory, it is generally something with something. I believe that this is a violation of all the main articles of the Constitution, the right to work, rest, freedom of movement, etc.

      Moreover, by such methods, the authorities breed corruption, many simply buy vaccination certificates, and the whole range of services, with entry into the database, etc.
      1. +2
        3 August 2021 10: 39
        Quote: lis-ik
        Quote: Van 16
        I agree with the author on all points. As for the vaccination itself, how it goes on with us, voluntarily, strictly compulsory, it is generally something with something. I believe that this is a violation of all the main articles of the Constitution, the right to work, rest, freedom of movement, etc.

        Moreover, by such methods, the authorities breed corruption, many simply buy vaccination certificates, and the whole range of services, with entry into the database, etc.

        I also agree with the author (the arguments are slightly different, but the meaning is the same)…. And regarding corruption, I read in the media interviews with security officials from Moscow regarding the fight against false vaccinations, and so the employee said that they had an order from the top to deal only with fake certificates, cases when the vaccine was not actually put (merged / thrown away) - not even investigate ... this brings thoughts that the whole company just drank money for the sake of the health of citizens ... if a citizen has a fake certificate, the right people will not earn their penny on it and you need to fight it, if the vaccine is officially written off for him, then the result is not interesting ...
        1. +2
          3 August 2021 12: 48
          Quote: parma
          if the vaccine is officially written off for him, then the result is not interesting ...

          This is basically what they do. And the authorities have already earned on any already written off vaccine.
    2. +6
      3 August 2021 10: 46
      Ivan, tell me, how do you think the vaccination is going on in Israel?
      They took the vaccine, officially recognized as experimental (!!) and without exception, forcibly ... How do you like this method?
      1. +1
        3 August 2021 13: 52
        If your question is for me (and I'm not quite in the subject of Israel, I can only judge by the article itself and the comments of people from there) - at least they arrange insurance there.
        1. +1
          3 August 2021 14: 03
          Yes, the question is for you.
          I gave you Israel as an example for a reason - namely, because you called "compulsory" vaccination unacceptable. They violate the rights, the Constitution, etc.
          And now, it turns out that you would probably agree with this method of vaccination if you were given a guarantee of a monetary reward if something happened ... And there would be no "violations of rights", etc., etc.
          1. +1
            3 August 2021 14: 42
            You are not entirely right, you are confusing "monetary reward if something happens" and responsibility. Our state is not responsible at all, in general, for nothing. And at the same time it introduces harsh punitive measures. If everything is so bad, introduce emergency situations, quarantine, and bear responsibility for all the consequences (this is not addressed to you personally, it is in the direction of our government).
            And then, Roman has laid out everything in the article point by point, why do we need to pour from empty to empty now?
    3. +1
      4 August 2021 01: 19
      constitution?)))))
      What are you talking about?
  4. +8
    3 August 2021 04: 48
    There may be many reasons not to be vaccinated, but the reason, in my opinion, is the same for all: citizens are not confident (I put it mildly) that the state is committed to a policy of people-saving. Indeed, Madame Golikova is responsible for everything, who has modernized the healthcare system so that the disease, which fell ill with 3% of the population, terribly overloads this very system.
    Well, the state could go to a meeting and try to convince people with an honest and broad campaign in the media, to organize everything in the best way. And what is in practice? On the example of Moscow ... Those who wanted to get vaccinated had not yet had time (I had to jump around the city for this), and Sobyanin introduces the obligation. More like sabotaging the vaccine campaign.
    To the vaccine. I (together with my family) completed the full course of the Sputnik vaccination. I know this is a very good vaccine. I know from official and unofficial sources. I urge everyone who has no real contraindications to get vaccinated. This disease is not so terrible as they say about it. But there is no strength to endure all this hysteria. I work at the University, what was planned (distance learning) as a temporary measure turns into a permanent one. This year, "specialists" were released who passed the last three sessions remotely. A nightmare. But September is approaching ...
    1. +11
      3 August 2021 05: 16
      Quote: codetalker
      There may be many reasons not to be vaccinated, but the reason, in my opinion, is the same for everyone: citizens are not confident (I put it mildly) that the state adheres to the policy of people-saving

      I don't think the Russian government has a plan to exterminate the population. It's just that this whole company is being conducted with such disdain for citizens and in general it seems that everyone, headed by VVP, considers the people to be absolute deer.
      How is it even possible that the head of state (urging the people to be vaccinated 0 - not only was not vaccinated among the first, not only did it publicly, but also forgot what he was vaccinated with?
      as an example - nothing more
      bibi was generally the first in the country and publicly
      Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was vaccinated against the coronavirus live. The footage of the inoculated head of government was shown, among other things, by the Kan TV channel.

      Netanyahu tweeted: "A small injection for a person is a big step for the health of all of us."

      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5fde4d8c9a79477a24459514

      now we vaccinate people over 3 with the 60rd vaccine
      Yesterday, July 30, Israel's 60-year-old President Yitzhak Herzog and his wife Michal received their third dose of the coronavirus vaccine, launching a campaign to immunize people over 60 with a third dose. Reported by The Times of Israel.

      publicly of course
      “This evening, I announce the start of the third vaccine campaign. <…> A few days after the third dose, it begins to work and provide protection. I urge the elderly who have received two shots to go and get the third. The vaccine will protect you from severe illness and death "- said the Prime Minister at a press conference specially convened on the occasion of the revaccination campaign

      maybe the prime minister is under 60, one of the first to receive the third booster vaccine was his mother.
      1. +4
        3 August 2021 07: 24
        Quote: atalef
        bibi was grafted at all the first in the country and publicly

        Everything is correct. A true leader, in conditions of uncertainty, must set the tone by personal example - do as I do.

        For us, the leader was not vaccinated at all for a long time. And when he nevertheless deigned, they began to ask the mustache uncomfortable questions, what was his patron grafted on and why did he do it non-publicly? To which he replied that, they say, it was his (the king's) private affair.
        Oil painting, what kind of leader we have and what is his attitude towards his electorate, the people who elected him and gave him power.
        1. +9
          3 August 2021 10: 20
          Quote: Stas157
          For us, the leader was not vaccinated at all for a long time. And when he did deign

          He knows what we do not, hence the spacesuit, the bunker and two weeks of overexposure before the audience. By the way, I personally have no confidence that he was vaccinated at all.
        2. +1
          3 August 2021 12: 29
          And yet, even saline was not shown to the public. But amphorae, hang gliders, fighters! And more ....... no, I will not say anything!
      2. +1
        3 August 2021 21: 58
        Ha, ha. Are you sure that the syringe contained exactly the vaccine? Maybe normal saline?
    2. -19
      3 August 2021 05: 31
      I hope you don't work as a teacher at the university, it's scary to think about graduated specialists who pour such slops into their heads, maybe it's better that they graduated remotely? All the same, judging by the skills of those students who come out of you, with dimes, you teach them everything there, except for the subject of the specialty.
      1. +16
        3 August 2021 08: 58
        1) You do not know which university the person works at.
        2) You do not even know what kind of specialists they are releasing.
        3) Accordingly, you do not know anything about the skills of graduates (besides, skills and knowledge are different things, skills are acquired in the process of practice, which students do not have)
        4) No slops were noticed, personal opinion of the commentator. For example, your opinion is that they don't call it slop right off the bat (although because of your own aggression I really want to) so why did you authorize yourself to hang labels? This is not the type of site people visit for this.

        Summing up, sort out your problems, and do not dump them on others. Unreasonable aggression, trolling are problems with self-esteem and a desire to assert themselves at the expense of others. Unfortunately, for smart people this path only aggravates the inferiority complex, and therefore (we proceed from the best and do not make hasty conclusions, huh? :)) This will only make you worse.
    3. -2
      4 August 2021 00: 27
      which fell ill 3% of the population, terribly overloads this very system.

      Without a medical education and without getting up from the couch, I answer those blokhers who have neither mind nor common sense.
      1. Influenza. As you know, everyone suffers from them. The burden on health care? Two visits to the doctor to fix the disease, and to close the sick leave. Moreover, you will be treated by an ordinary local therapist. Yes, the queue at the clinic is unpleasant, but alas, it is such an epidemic. This is 95% of the time. The rest is complications (including due to non-compliance with the regime), age, and of course a bunch of other diseases. Yes, in the latter case, you can get to the intensive care unit, and from there to the cemetery, but in this case, the flu is the last straw. I am sure that there were such cases, but these are very few.
      2. Covid. If he was treated like a flu, that is, on an outpatient basis and in extreme cases in a hospital, then there would be no problems. But here we have an intensive care unit in the infectious diseases ward, that is, the most expensive in medicine. Ask how much it costs a night in intensive care in the commercial sector, but here it all goes under the compulsory medical insurance, that is, at the expense of the state. To fight this infection, special rooms are needed that satisfy both requirements at once (infectious ward + intensive care unit), equipment is needed, the same mechanical ventilation does not lie in a bunch of warehouses, well, and most importantly, people who will treat you, they are also on a bioprinter can not be printed. In general, all this is EXPENSIVE and very much. In the open press, I have not seen the amounts spent on the treatment of a patient with covid in intensive care, but God forbid the figures.
      Vaccination allows you to reduce (not prevent !!!) the risk of infection, but if an infection is attached, then the chance to get rid of it easily is greater. From the latter, I immediately recall Mikhail Boyarsky who, in general, got off easily, GOD give him health :).
      And now we have a bunch of those who do not want to be vaccinated for incomprehensible reasons, but if they get sick, especially in a severe form, then the state, heal !!! And I do not care at all!
      For good, these anti-vaccines should be treated at their own expense, at least at state prices. Billing is good for clearing your mind.
      1. +1
        4 August 2021 02: 43
        The lack of capacity in the healthcare system is not the fault of the covid, but the corporate group that managed the modernization of the healthcare system. I myself am vaccinated and I urge everyone to do it. But I understand why people don't. Do not hang labels about anti-vaccines. I read a lot about people who are afraid that they are being chipped, but I have never seen a single “live” such person. But people who say: "Our hospital was closed in the process of modernization, now we have to go where the hell is" - I saw it. And they are offered (forced) to be vaccinated by the same people who systematically ruined medicine in recent years.
      2. 0
        4 August 2021 04: 59
        in our country it all goes under the compulsory medical insurance, that is, at the expense of the state


        It looks like you Non-fighter , and the parasite ...

        if the insured is a legal entity, individual or individual entrepreneur paying wages in favor of their employees, then the amount is determined in accordance with paragraph 3 of part 2 of Art. 425 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation and is 5,1% of the base determined in accordance with Art. 421 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation (in other words, 5,1% of the salary of each employee).
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 23: 31
          Dear Konnick!
          I know very well that part of my salary goes to medicine, that is, to compulsory medical insurance. And I don’t believe that even in a quiet time, our health care contributions were enough for everything. With covid, our healthcare costs have skyrocketed. I hope you won't argue with that? And where to get the money? Either increase the percentage of deductions, or increase all salary, or throw money into this system (read government donations, will you voluntarily donate?).
          About accusing me of parasitism. Do you have anything more serious than a fragmentary knowledge of our legislation? Well Duc present. Well at least you don’t blame high treason right away.
          In general, you are an Internet troll, the main goal in the discussion of which is to rise yourself, humiliating your opponent.
          Then I take my leave.
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    1. +10
      3 August 2021 05: 19
      Quote: Cottodraton
      Well, let's not get vaccinated, but rather the old fashioned way, spread the infection on our feet! After all, it has always been so!

      well, in general, if you (as an example) at the doctor's appointment will be given a pill - with the name of all diseases - such a large and white pill about kathora you do not know anything about which nothing has really been written about - but the doctor will tell you - eat and everything will pass, but if anything, I have nothing to do with it.
      Your actions ?
      1. -4
        3 August 2021 05: 49
        What a person who does not have a specialized medical education can understand how this pill works? And, accordingly, why waste time on it, explaining something? You pancake mask which side to wear massively argued for half a year, in the end they decided that blue if you are sick, white if not yet.
        1. +7
          3 August 2021 05: 52
          Quote: dmlescs
          What a person who does not have a specialized medical education can understand how this pill works?

          Well, we can't check a lot and we believe in advertising, the fact of not being vaccinated strains, the situation strains when you are told in case of side effects, no one is responsible
          Quote: dmlescs
          You damn mask which side to wear massively argued for half a year

          I didn’t argue, I didn’t wear it.
          of course, except for places like a store - where without it they simply were not allowed
          Quote: dmlescs
          in the end, they decided that if you were sick blue, white if not yet.

          belay
        2. +9
          3 August 2021 09: 41
          What a person who does not have a specialized medical education can understand how this pill works?

          On the one hand, the state demands that citizens begin to understand finance and jurisprudence, saying that those who took out a loan from fraudsters or in a car dealership fell for some tricks of dishonest businessmen, they themselves are to blame.
          On the other hand, in the case of vaccinations, they are forced to do them no matter what.
          But it doesn't work that way. Either you take responsibility on yourself as a state, or you shift this responsibility onto a citizen.
      2. +2
        3 August 2021 10: 43
        Quote: atalef
        well, in general, if you (as an example) at the doctor's appointment will be given a pill - with the name of all diseases - such a large and white pill about kathora you do not know anything about which nothing has really been written about - but the doctor will tell you - eat and everything will pass, but if anything, I have nothing to do with it.

        I think I even know the main active ingredient of this drug is potassium cyanide!
        Will pass absolutely EVERYTHING and forever! laughing
      3. +2
        3 August 2021 10: 59
        The funny thing is that in fact, in 90% of cases, this is what happens! The patient accepts the doctor's recommendations on faith.
        For the sake of interest, you can ask people who are taking any medications: what do they know about the composition, pharmacological properties, side effects and contraindications of the drugs they are taking? I am sure that 90% will answer you: "It helps and okay!"
        To be honest, Alexander can answer yourself or ask someone who has been vaccinated against the usual flu: did he find out how this vaccine works? He read anything about her and where? Does he even know what this vaccine was called?
        And I'll tell you that flu shots, and not only flu, are constantly being improved and produced by different manufacturers using various technologies. But, (attention!) - everything is fine! People go and get vaccinated. Before seasonal exacerbations, before traveling abroad, just according to the vaccination schedule. And there is no need to set an example for the President, no need to persuade ...
        Q: how do you think the COVID vaccine is different from the H1N1 flu shot?
    2. +4
      3 August 2021 05: 23
      Quote: Cottodraton
      smallpox! You have no responsibility. At all. Tabout that from your sneeze someone can die..

      Well, in general, from your sneeze (even if you are vaccinated) - the same can someone die, because vaccination does not exclude infection of the vaccinated, just the course of the disease in a mild form 9 but you sneeze and spread viruses just like the unvaccinated one).
      in fact, for that matter, anti-vaccinators should be afraid of everything and everyone, and vaccinated people (like you) should seem to be freed from such fears.
      but the situation is, oddly enough, the opposite. Vaccinated fear the no longer vaccinated request
      1. -2
        3 August 2021 05: 50
        Well, everything is simple, fools have no fear
      2. +8
        3 August 2021 06: 52
        Quote: atalef
        Vaccinated fear the no longer vaccinated

        1. +2
          4 August 2021 00: 59
          In 2022 we will hide from the vaccinated


          It is time. They carry the disease asymptomatically or mildly. And the certificate "I am vaccinated, I can be everywhere and with everyone" gives them the opportunity to hang out and infect everyone.
          This smallpox vaccination ensures that you won't infect anyone. And the flu is the flu ... No government has been invented for it, except to exterminate all people.
    3. +3
      3 August 2021 05: 27
      Nikolay, the article has been published and, alas, nothing can be done about it.
      I will repeat it one more time. Covid-19 turned out to be not so contagious that it reached everyone, that everyone would get through. I have already written about the whole country, now about our region. With a population of 500, 30 thousands of people were officially ill. I think that another 30 got ill without going to a doctor and were not included in the statistics. 160-180 cases are detected daily. The total bed capacity was 1179. About 150 were available. There was no reserve, it was necessary to urgently create another 80 + 100 beds, a mobile hospital of the Moscow region. I am not even talking about the shortage of doctors. There are no doctors. They get sick, quit, move to other regions where salaries are higher ...

      Potential patients - about 250-300 thousand more people. It's good that restrictions have been introduced, this somehow helps to keep the situation. Now let's imagine that we had a City Day, on which 50000 citizens came and of them 1% - 500 people fell ill, and 250 of them need outpatient treatment? That's it - we've arrived ...

      The number of those vaccinated to date is about 100000 (including the first dose).
      1. +2
        3 August 2021 05: 42
        Quote: tasha
        City Day, on which 50000 citizens came and 1% of them fell ill - 500 people, and 250 of them need outpatient treatment?

        Well, you too thickened the colors too much - the situation with the fact that out of 500 infected 250 will be hospitalized - not really from the word at all.
        with covid in general, there is a lot of strange - as studies show, children in the majority have had been ill, but absolutely asymptomatic (while, of course, they infected adults), in one family, the majority became infected, and the second part was not susceptible in the absence of any vaccination.
        In general, the question is in the sea.
        no answers.
        Although the fact of the positive effect of vaccination (as such) can not really be denied - it helps.
        It's just a matter of new mutations that its effect diminishes and we don't turn into lab rats. who will inject some kind of crap every half a year?
        1. +2
          3 August 2021 05: 52
          "Covid-19 turned out to be not so contagious that it reached everyone, that everyone would get through."
          And with the number of cases that there is now, the health care system is so loaded that a little more and - a disaster. Even last year, it was clear that all the measures taken (very, of course, controversial) such as masks, distance and restrictions are needed in order to evenly "smear" the number of patients according to the availability of beds and doctors.
          But ahead is autumn, seasonal diseases ...
          1. +5
            3 August 2021 12: 18
            Tell me dear Taskha, why do we (citizens of our country) hear nothing about the consequences of the "scarlet sails" ??????? hi or not?
            1. +2
              3 August 2021 12: 31
              I think that after all, the disease is not so infectious that the consequences manifest themselves on a noticeable scale and immediately. There are too many factors, the same age of the participants.

              In our country, for example, out of 500 thousand inhabitants, 30 have officially been ill in a year and a half, and probably the same number were not included in the statistics. Now 170 cases are detected per day from a possible risk group of 200-300 thousand. Let's suppose that 50-100 thousand people somehow intersect every day, act as a rough model of a one-time gathering of people like "Scarlet Sails". And then ... I can not draw any conclusions, too little data.

              - Why does all accounting give birth on September 1?
              - So on December 31st there was a corporate party ..
              Sorry, I couldn't resist ... wink
              1. 0
                3 August 2021 12: 48
                "" - Why does all accounting give birth on September 1?
                - So on December 31st there was a corporate party ..
                Sorry, I could not resist ... wink "" this is both a problem and not a problem)
      2. 0
        3 August 2021 06: 42
        "need outpatient treatment?"
        Confused, "stationary" ... hi
    4. -3
      3 August 2021 05: 38
      They will never understand that a man is primarily a responsibility, they brought up a generation of elves.
      1. +2
        3 August 2021 05: 55
        Quote: dmlescs
        He will never understand that a man is primarily a responsibility.

        Well, for that matter, not being vaccinated is the same responsible decision and who will decide who is right in this case?
        request
        we do not know anything at all - vaccination is not a panacea and side effects exist and they write a lot about them. and this applies not only to the satellite. but also all other vaccines.
        And how this will be reflected in the future - no one knows at all. so is there a risk - of course.
        Everyone has the right to define and accept this degree for himself --- your personal responsible decision.
        1. -11
          3 August 2021 06: 08
          It will not work, about your personal decision, you live in a society and your right not to get vaccinated comes on my right not to get infected.
          1. +8
            3 August 2021 06: 58
            Quote: dmlescs
            It will not work, about your personal decision, you live in a society and your right not to get vaccinated comes on my right not to get infected

            Once again, I repeat to you, vaccination does not guarantee against disease from the word at all, therefore, let's omit this topic - in this regard, you are (vaccinated) and not vaccinated under absolutely identical conditions. With regard to the course of the disease - an unvaccinated person can endure this crap in a severe form or even die, in your case - the likelihood of death or a severe form of the disease decreases significantly.
            now a logical question - how does it attack your rights?
            The answer is absolutely nothing, while he himself is in a position much more vulnerable than YOU.
            Of course, people need vaccination, but first of all, the state needs it because it reduces the burden on the healthcare system and the cost of treatment.

            This is understandable and understandable, so it would be logical to see a situation - when the state assumes the same part of the responsibility in relation to the vaccinated - those are responsible for the side effects, since the people responded to the call, in general, while having a rather ephemeral benefit.
            And leave anti-vaccination people alone, they do not carry any threat (except for themselves and the burden on the health care system).
            In this situation, the vaccinated or the unvaccinated are equally dangerous in terms of the threat of infection.
            1. -3
              4 August 2021 00: 31
              And leave anti-vaccination people alone, they do not carry any threat (except for themselves and the burden on the health care system).

              Yes, only they will be treated at our expense :(
              1. +1
                4 August 2021 05: 40
                Quote: Not the fighter
                And leave anti-vaccination people alone, they do not carry any threat (except for themselves and the burden on the health care system).

                Yes, only they will be treated at our expense :(

                Personally for yours? Or do they pay the same taxes?
                Your logic is extremely dangerous, tomorrow you will refuse treatment to everyone who does not pay taxes, who have an extremely expensive illness, and imagine if tomorrow, God forbid, you get to the hospital and during an operation, someone will say that all your taxes will be enough only for half of the operation?
              2. +1
                5 August 2021 15: 27
                "Yes, but they will be treated at our expense :("
                I, in my already long life, turned to doctors, 10 times, mainly for radiculitis, well, maybe 5 times for angina and acute respiratory infections, I was in the hospital three times. and everything, and everything. But all 40 years of work experience from my salary, the treasury honestly twisted money for my medical treatment on Oms. if I now get sick with the virus, then with the money I saved, they should treat me with black caviar, champagne and whores, in a separate 3-room ward, and not less than 6-8 months. I do not pretend to be on your liquid account, mine will be enough for everything
          2. +9
            3 August 2021 07: 19
            your right comes over my right.
            That is, you are calling to believe the scammers? This topic was good a month ago. Now many times have already described how the vaccinated get infected ...
          3. -1
            3 August 2021 07: 45
            Quote: dmlescs
            It will not work, about your personal decision, you live in a society and your right not to get vaccinated comes on my right not to get infected.

            Quote: dmlescs
            dmlescs (Dmitry) Today, 05:24
            -2

            I didn’t graft, but I didn’t close the doors ..
          4. +1
            3 August 2021 10: 48
            Get vaccinated = \> do not infect.
            The second is not a consequence of the first.
            This must be remembered
          5. +1
            7 August 2021 10: 50
            I have a bunch of chronic ailments, the doctors say you shouldn’t inject, but they don’t give a medical treatment, they say they’ve forbidden to give it. According to your logic, I should risk my life so as not to infringe upon "Your right not to get infected?"
        2. +4
          3 August 2021 11: 03
          "Everyone has the right to determine this degree for himself and make --- his own personal responsible decision."
          Yes, yes ... In one country, for 10-15 years, they somehow made such a responsible decision: to refuse vaccination against polio. Now they are looking for an answer to the crucial question: how to help children with poliomyelitis?
    5. +1
      3 August 2021 07: 14
      but it is better in the old fashioned way, to carry the infection on your feet! After all, it has always been so!
      At first, they began to aggressively run over, they will read your conjectures and gloomy wishes at everyone. Aren't you afraid of what will come back to you? Then, just in case, the author was insulted.
    6. +7
      3 August 2021 10: 36
      Quote: Cottodraton
      Well, let's not get vaccinated, but rather the old fashioned way, spread the infection on our feet! After all, it has always been so!

      And let's get a graft and we will spread the infection too! After all, none of the vaccines, as it turned out, does not guarantee the vaccinated against infection, it now, it turns out, only protects an individual organism from a severe course of the disease ... probably ... maybe ... => You will dissect through the streets, all so beautiful and vaccinated (painfully, at the same time, in an asymptomatic form) in complete confidence that they are safe for others and without even suspecting
      Quote: Cottodraton
      that someone could die from your sneeze ...
      1. +1
        9 August 2021 15: 04
        You will cut through the streets, all so beautiful and vaccinated (more painful, at the same time, in an asymptomatic form) in complete confidence that you are safe
        And while spreading a much more dangerous strain. Plus, many vaccinated develop a side effect that is expressed in increased aggressiveness. Considering all this, the vaccinated must be isolated, preferably somewhere beyond the Arctic Circle. And it is even better to sanitize at all later, and disinfect the territory where they were located.
  6. +15
    3 August 2021 04: 49
    The authorities have discredited themselves so much that there is simply NO faith. All their "useful undertakings" did not lead the people to anything good, from the word at all. The ball is ruled by finances, not concern for a person.
    1. -14
      3 August 2021 05: 41
      You were taught, raised, now you take care of people and pay taxes.
      1. +11
        3 August 2021 07: 21
        You were taught, raised, now you take care of people and pay taxes.
        He taught the Soviet Union, and pay taxes to the bourgeoisie, who were taken away and divided among themselves. But it is not enough for them, for them people are the second oil. Moreover, soon there will be problems with the first oil.
        1. -5
          3 August 2021 07: 33
          Quote: Gardamir
          and pay taxes to the bourgeoisie, who were taken away and divided among themselves

          Well, in general, medicine, the army, the police and education are at least supported by taxes.
          1. +7
            3 August 2021 07: 49
            Well, in general, medicine, the army, the police and education are at least supported by taxes.
            You have not read carefully. First, in the spirit of Soviet slogans, we gave you now you owe us.
            But I've already written a hundred times. At first, the "socially responsible" Moscow officials deprived me of my source of income. Here I suddenly realized that I was not young. If at the age of 30 in the 90s you got out, now where to go?
            But if you weed out the verbal husk, then yes, you have to pay taxes.
            1. +1
              5 August 2021 15: 32
              "But if you weed out the verbal husk, then yes, you have to pay taxes."
              still Deripaska, Abramovich, Sechin and Millers would understand it
    2. +7
      3 August 2021 07: 48
      Quote: marchcat
      The authorities have discredited themselves so much that there is simply NO faith

      Yes, advanced developments in the leading research institute! laughing
      1. +1
        3 August 2021 15: 01
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Yes, advanced developments in the leading research institute!

        There is no faith in Karaulov from the word at all .... He actively broke the USSR with his reports. The video shows an old administrative building. and a photo of apparently basement doors. And where is the production building ??? it is not. In addition, if you throw stones at the Gamaleya Institute, then it is better to go through their preparations, which they produced before Sputnik V. And these are homeopathic preparations, the effectiveness of which has not been proven. But the prices are not very small. And for the production of homeopathic medicines, you do not need a beautiful building, you need powerful advertising and a package of documents from supposedly scientists! laughing
        1. +2
          3 August 2021 18: 04
          Quote: aybolyt678
          There is no faith in Karaulov from the word at all

          There is no faith in people who regularly talk bullshit and do not fulfill their promises. wink
          Karaulov in this regard is a completely honest person, and almost always gives facts.
          The building of the Research Institute of Gamaleya is in the public domain, you can personally verify the condition of the facades. laughing
    3. +1
      3 August 2021 11: 04
      Are you talking about Israel now? It seems like Israel was the first to start forcibly inoculating with an experimental, little-studied vaccine?
  7. -1
    3 August 2021 05: 09
    I live very far from Russia and from Sobyanin. Yesterday, a familiar butterman told me the policy of the mosque, which he goes to in terms of vaccinations. They are not some anti-axers there. From the story of the butterman it followed that one had to wait until the American vaccines were delivered or, in extreme cases, to be vaccinated with the Chinese one (there was enough of it). It is very dangerous to get vaccinated with a companion, according to a frequenter of the mosque, because all who are grafted into it, then immediately die by their families.
    I read a similar opinion in a softer version in the VO comments. It was designated by some aunt, I do not remember a pseudonym, but I remember what it means some kind of evil spirits.
  8. -5
    3 August 2021 05: 24
    I will answer the author ... IF YOU HAVE BEEN ILL .. then you should not be vaccinated! you already have immunity ..... and EXACTLY FOR YOU! and not some other! remember! and don't whine like that))) 9th department of the KGB was not instilled in Soviet times)))) NOBODY THERE)) the people are only allowed this miracle))) But your mouth, as in the old days, grandmothers said))) cover your mouth with your hand)) )
  9. -6
    3 August 2021 05: 24
    I didn’t get vaccinated, but I didn’t close the door ... Yesterday I read an article in another article "Berlingske: on their deathbed they pray for a vaccine, but it's too late." Worse if your loved ones are on their deathbed, whom you, who did not close the doors, will infect. How will you feel after this that you are a man who should protect your loved ones? ... Do you generally consider yourself a man? Or are you so ...? And yes, recently the deputy head of the Gamaleya Research Center Denis Logunov said that the new strain "Sputnik" works, but its effectiveness is reduced by 2,6 times. That is, the efficiency is about 38%. But at least you can trust the academician. " - re-read the material meaningfully and do not divide tomatoes into pears.
    1. +8
      3 August 2021 05: 48
      Quote: dmlescs
      How will you feel after that as a man who should protect your loved ones?

      weird question ?
      But as a fact, my colleagues went on vacation with their families to Eilat (we have such a resort town) - all of them vaccinated, of course (3 families went) - well, in general, everyone was infected there. Now they sit at home, the course of the disease is mild, they watch TV and cannot go anywhere.
      What am I talking about ? That the vaccinated also get infected and can also infect others.
      so do not think that vaccination will not make you (under certain circumstances) a killer of your family and friends.
      1. -4
        3 August 2021 06: 11
        You must do everything to protect them, and if you didn’t, then you didn’t protect them.
        1. +4
          3 August 2021 07: 02
          Quote: dmlescs
          You must do everything to protect them, and if you didn’t, then you didn’t protect them.

          well then you are left with one of two things - either kill yourself (then you definitely won't infect them) or send them to a desert island.
          If you want to protect them, then just vaccinate them - this will not protect them from infection, but at least to a greater extent guarantees an easy course of the disease.
        2. +1
          3 August 2021 07: 23
          You must do everything to protect them
          Are you calling to storm the Kremlin?
          1. +3
            3 August 2021 07: 27
            it's generally funny with him - he stigmatizes and calls on everyone.
            Quote: dmlescs
            dmlescs (Dmitry) Today, 05:24
            -3

            I didn’t graft, but I didn’t close the doors.
        3. 0
          3 August 2021 07: 52
          Quote: dmlescs
          dmlescs (Dmitry) Today, 05:24
          -1

          I didn’t graft, but I didn’t close the doors ...

          Are the doors open to make it easier to protect?
    2. +2
      3 August 2021 13: 54
      Quote: dmlescs
      re-read the material meaningfully and do not divide tomatoes into pears.

      And you dear, explain what the person is wrong, if you think so.

      As explained to TASS in the Center. Gamalea, the activity of serum or neutralizing antibodies to the coronavirus spike protein is just one indicator of the effectiveness of the vaccine as a whole. In the case of the Sputnik V vaccine, when the activity of neutralizing antibodies decreases by 2,6 times, the effectiveness of the vaccine decreases insignificantly and remains at the level of 90%, while in the Pfizer vaccine, the effectiveness of 90% remains even when the activity of serum decreases by 5,8 times. (with)

      That is, translating into understandable. The blood serum after the vaccine has an EXCESSIVE activity. And the decrease in the activity of antibodies to the "D" strain by 2.6 and even 5.8 times is not critical. The protection time will most likely decrease. This is more to the question, but how many are needed, these antibodies, that would be for sure ... No one has given an answer yet)))
  10. +9
    3 August 2021 06: 01
    Indeed, people go crazy one by one, and massively during a pandemic.
  11. +7
    3 August 2021 06: 29
    Thank you Roman. To get me on the shelves, your material helped.
    Doubted, vague mistrust was also about the suspicious concern of the state.
    1. -8
      3 August 2021 07: 48
      Oba-na, in general ... awesome comment. So the opinions of professionals - doctors don't count for you? And the private personal opinion of not a doctor "opened his eyes"? I wrote a comment in the last article, the end of the 18th century, a smallpox epidemic is raging, Catherine the Great was one of the first to decide on the vaccination (high-tech of that time), she also instilled a grandson of Alexander, Foma Dimsdal, in my opinion, vaccinated. And what in Russia op stood for vaccinations. After that, have you heard of large-scale smallpox epidemics? By the way, smallpox vaccination became widespread in the USSR.
  12. +16
    3 August 2021 06: 33
    the correct article, the procenko from the commune (goes to the thought) stated that the antibodies after the illness are not correct and after the vaccination they are correct, is he generally a doctor or who?
    1. +3
      3 August 2021 07: 07
      is he generally a doctor or who?

      It's hard to call him an intelligent person after using a respirator in public next to Putin. A beard respirator is nonsense. In addition, he soon fell ill, but we like to make heroes. Unkempt, unshaven, overweight ... a doctor should lead a healthy lifestyle, take care of himself, be an example for patients.
    2. +7
      3 August 2021 09: 14
      Quote: Ryaruav
      Prosenko from the commune (goes to the thought) said that the antibodies after the disease are not correct and after the vaccination they are correct, is he generally a doctor or who?

      He's a candidate! That says it all.
      Our media also shouted at all of Ivanovo, that India has the most terrible morbidity and gave the data that in the Russian Federation there are 700 cases per day against 3000 in India. For a simple layman, such infa looks like a change, if you do not take into account that the population of India is 10 times more, respectively, in the Russian Federation with a population of 1,5 lard people, there should have been 7000 sick !!!
      It seems to be a true infa filed, but it's only kind of.
      1. +5
        3 August 2021 14: 11
        Quote: Stroporez
        It seems to be a true infa


        21 days after the second covid vaccination, all vaccinated were invited to the corporate party. After a stormy party, 80% of the tests were positive ... True, the tests were done for gonorrhea, but the sediment from the vaccination remained.
        1. +2
          3 August 2021 14: 28
          Quote: Harry.km
          21 days after the second covid vaccination, all vaccinated were invited to the corporate party. After a stormy party, 80% of the tests were positive ... True, the tests were done for gonorrhea, but the sediment from the vaccination remained.

          It's funny)) And there is a certain analogy, a condom helps a lot from a French cold, and a red spacesuit from a covid, I saw it on TV)))
  13. +5
    3 August 2021 06: 36
    The main anti-advertiser turned out to be the president himself, who seems to have taken root, but does not remember when and what. And does not allow anyone to come to a decent distance. This leads an ordinary man in the street to two thoughts at once, which I will not voice here. But I thought both at once.

    No, he later said that he had been grafted with Sputnik-V. I didn't want to talk because I didn't want to isolate one vaccine out of three.
    1. +3
      3 August 2021 07: 07
      Quote: riwas
      No, he later said that he had been inoculated with Sputnik-V. I didn't want to talk because I didn't want to isolate one vaccine in three

      Rave. This is the case when the negative effect is tens of times greater than the positive one.
      All heads of government in the world (who were vaccinated) did it publicly and with the sound of the vaccine.
      They were not hindered by the antitrust law, nor by accusations of protectionism.
      They understood that in order for the people to believe, everything must be absolutely transparent.
      Why did not the GDP do this? Well, like because of the fact that he was accused of protectionism? - you are probably one of the few who believe in it.
    2. +8
      3 August 2021 07: 47
      Quote: riwas
      he then saidthat was grafted by "Sputnik-V"

      Then ... why then? He said, but did not show.

      In general, he said a lot, but did exactly the opposite or did not do it at all.
    3. +6
      3 August 2021 08: 05
      grafted into "Sputnik-V". I didn't want to talk because I didn't want to isolate one vaccine out of three.

      What's the point?
      “The governor and those who will be involved with him in the program of the visit are now on self-isolation. This is one of the conditions for a meeting with the head of state, "- said the insider

      Those. little hope for vaccination?
      This is about the Chelyabinsk governor.
  14. +7
    3 August 2021 06: 50
    I don’t understand why it’s impossible to organize a normal explanatory campaign in the country (no, I understand, but more on that in the next paragraph), why there must be hysteria.

    I don't watch vaccination advertisements, but I turned on my brains and got vaccinated. Although I confess, everything is badly organized. The first vaccination was done in May - it took 1,5 hours. The second in June - 2,5 hours. Three queues: reception, doctor (the longest) and procedural, and everywhere there is a lot of paperwork to fill out. Probably this is only with us. Also, abroad, vaccination was carried out starting from older ages towards younger ones - in terms of severity and mortality from coronavirus. Reasonable, but not like that.
    1. +4
      3 August 2021 07: 25
      but "turned on the brains" and took root.
      That is, now your brains are disconnected again?
      1. -10
        3 August 2021 07: 52
        Your brethren, along the way, do not have them at all, if you go over to rudeness. Do not remind Skomorokhov's article for rudeness in the comments, did you pretend to be white and fluffy there? What kind of spread rot? And now in a brazen rude, and on an absolutely adequate comment.
        1. -1
          3 August 2021 07: 56
          And you can ask how it is called from a moral point of view?
          Quote: mat-vey
          Quote: dmlescs
          It will not work, about your personal decision, you live in a society and your right not to get vaccinated comes on my right not to get infected.

          Quote: dmlescs
          dmlescs (Dmitry) Today, 05:24
          -2

          I didn’t graft, but I didn’t close the doors ..
          1. -5
            3 August 2021 08: 54
            I wrote about outright rudeness. And those who pretend to be white and fluffy. Do you have any questions about this? The opponent was not rude, was he?
            Now, in fact, it is on his conscience. I was vaccinated with the first vaccination, I waited 15 minutes. On the 13th there will be a second. For the need for vaccination - imagine the "Russian Roulette" with a revolver for 10 rounds. So, with the vaccination in the drum, there will be 1 combat, without the vaccination 4-5, and, moreover, they will be arranged in random order. This is IMHO of course.
            We like to nod to the west when they want to show that "everything is bad" in Russia. The message in the article is: "Everything is bad with us." Let's "nod" to the west - Macron on the air called the refuseniks egoists. And on this I agree with him. Your rights and freedoms end where the rights and freedoms of another person begin. By refusing to be vaccinated, you increase your risk of infecting another person. Moreover, the risk of death is high. Something like this.
            1. +10
              3 August 2021 08: 57
              Quote: Okolotochny
              This is IMHO of course.

              And people need official SCIENTIFIC results confirmed by statistics and research ... Like with polio, hepatitis, smallpox, etc.
              1. -2
                3 August 2021 09: 04
                smallpox

                "Scientifically confirmed" - take an interest in the circumstances when people began to vaccinate against smallpox in Russia - without waiting for approval from WHO, the EU, etc.
                1. +5
                  3 August 2021 09: 08
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  smallpox

                  "Scientifically confirmed" - take an interest in the circumstances when people began to vaccinate against smallpox in Russia - without waiting for approval from WHO, the EU, etc.

                  Well, then you should ask why you came up with all these verification methods ..
                  1. -3
                    3 August 2021 09: 10
                    Well, then you should ask why you came up with all these verification methods ..

                    So did you find out about the first smallpox vaccinations or not?
                    1. +3
                      3 August 2021 09: 12
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      So did you find out about the first smallpox vaccinations or not?

                      I found out that no data on how many people died from vaccination due to the age of years has been preserved, but at present all changes in the production of the vaccine and the preservatives used are carefully checked.
                      1. -3
                        3 August 2021 09: 15
                        I found out - no data on how many people died from vaccination due to the age of years has not survived

                        Which is not surprising. But, since then, the smallpox epidemic has ceased to be ... "a terrible scourge."
                      2. +3
                        3 August 2021 09: 23
                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        Which is not surprising. But, since then, the smallpox epidemic has ceased to be ... "a terrible scourge."

                        Well, for so much time, the vaccine was tested and the smallpox was studied ... But for now, it’s like in the field with a rake at night and without a flashlight ..
                      3. +5
                        3 August 2021 11: 14
                        So Okolotochny tells you about it: the first vaccinations against smallpox did it: "at night in the field without a flashlight"! And by this method they were saved from smallpox. Of course, the side effects, the unexplored components of vaccines are all scary and terrible. But! Just find those who have been ill and recovered - ask them what they would choose: to get sick again or to get a vaccine - even if not Sputnik, but an experimental, generally poorly studied, Israeli ...
                      4. 0
                        3 August 2021 12: 00
                        Quote: Perforator
                        Just find those who have been ill and recovered - ask them,

                        I interviewed myself ... but I still had to shoot - the antibodies say incorrect, although a couple of tests showed that there is.
                        Quote: Perforator
                        So Okolotochny tells you about it: the first vaccinations against smallpox did it: "at night in the field without a flashlight"!

                        Do you know that the 21st century is already in the yard?
                      5. +1
                        3 August 2021 13: 22
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        I interviewed myself ... but I still had to shoot
                        I sympathize. Hopefully without complications? And antibodies are not right or wrong - they are either there or they are not.
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Do you know that the 21st century is already in the yard?
                        I know. So what? The virus in general does not care what kind of century is in the yard and what opportunities a person has in the field of pharmacology, biosynthesis and production. Or do you think that in the 19th century the spread of viruses happened somehow differently? What, from the 21st century, the virus will wait until mankind conducts a complete study of the vaccine, convinces society of its effectiveness, and only after that will it begin to massively kill and maim?
                      6. +1
                        3 August 2021 14: 00
                        Quote: Perforator
                        What, from the 21st century, the virus will wait until mankind conducts a complete study of the vaccine, convinces society of its effectiveness, and only after that will it begin to massively kill and maim?

                        How you cleverly changed safety for effectiveness ... Back in the 20th century, science realized that a medicine can be worse than a disease .. or do you think that all these tests were invented in order to kill more people while the doctors debug the methods, and reveal who the medicine has chances more to die than from disease?
                      7. +3
                        3 August 2021 14: 23
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Back in the 20th century, science realized that a medicine can be worse than a disease ..

                        "Everything is poison or medicine. One or the other makes it only a dose" Abu Ali ibn Sina 10-11 century AD.
                        You are a victim of an information war, the goal of which is to kill all the best in a person, to make him even more selfish, intimidated, little thinking creature. laughing
                      8. -3
                        3 August 2021 14: 55
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        "Everything is poison or medicine. Only a dose does it for one or the other."

                        Does someone from above predict the dose, or until they pick it up, it is necessary to carry out experiments?
                      9. +1
                        3 August 2021 21: 18
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Does someone from above predict the dose, or until they pick it up, it is necessary to carry out experiments?

                        Use it !! the difference between the vaccine dose and the LD 50 is usually millions of times. laughing LD 50 is the dose that causes the death of 50 percent of the vaccinated mice. winked
                        any vaccine must be tested on animals, and then on volunteers. Indicators of immunological reactions of golden hamsters ideally correspond to human ones.
                      10. +1
                        7 August 2021 13: 23
                        The satellite was not tested on animals
                      11. -1
                        7 August 2021 19: 00
                        Quote: Alex2711
                        The satellite was not tested on animals

                        Oh really? wassat right away so volunteers? or all the same at least stabbed hamsters?
                      12. 0
                        20 August 2021 12: 15
                        So it is written on the site of Gamaleya. Or don't you believe them?
                      13. +1
                        3 August 2021 14: 35
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Back in the 20th century, science realized that a medicine can be worse than a disease ..

                        Loud statement. Can you give an example? Not a chemical compound, but a medicine that is worse than a disease.
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        or do you think that all these checks were invented in order to

                        No I do not think so. Checks have not been invented, their use is forced. This is comparable to a tasting, test drive. Forced, because they create something new, with new characteristics. To understand the effectiveness, they conduct checks, tests, examine the results. Repeated tests are carried out.
                        But! All this takes place in full in a regular, calm, so to speak, mode. When the disease is not contagious or not very contagious, when the focus is localized and the spread is controlled, when there is already a medicine, but they are trying to create a more effective remedy.
                        When the process of morbidity is rapid (virus), and there are practically no means of struggle, they take such risky steps - to use experimental, little and poorly studied methods or means. However, they still understand that the harm from these means of control will still be commensurately small in comparison with the consequences of the disease.
                        This is what Okolotochny tried to explain to you, citing the example of the smallpox vaccine and the methods of its use in the 19th century. This is the example that Israel is setting now, in the 21st century, in the fight against Covid ...
                        Something like this.
                      14. -1
                        3 August 2021 14: 51
                        Quote: Perforator
                        namely the medicine,

                        And that a medicine is no longer a chemical compound? I wonder what then?
                        You were wondering how many people die of AIDS?
                        Quote: Perforator
                        This is what Okolotochny tried to explain to you, citing the example of the smallpox vaccine and the methods of its use in the 19th century.

                        In the 19th century, everyone was already convinced that the vaccine works as it should and they picked up the dose without side effects, but in the 18th century ... So when they convinced, checked, then there were no questions and there were fewer opponents ..
                      15. +1
                        3 August 2021 17: 31
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And that a medicine is no longer a chemical compound? I wonder what then?

                        Of course a chemical compound. The difference between a medicine and a simple chemical compound is that not every substance is recognized as a medicine! I asked you to cite a medicine as an example. Only.

                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Are you wondering how many people die of AIDS?
                        No, I was not interested. I can assume - 0. Having become infected with AIDS, a person loses immunity and receives a huge risk of dying from SARS, harmless for any other. The immunodeficiency virus itself, as far as I know, is not fatal. Although formally, the root cause is HIV. The infectiousness of HIV cannot be compared with the infectiousness of the coronavirus (the transmission mechanism is different). And, although HIV is much more dangerous for one person, the coronavirus is many times more dangerous for society as a whole. And if you yourself brought AIDS for comparison, then ...
                        In a year and a half, about 4,6 million people died from Covid. Since 1980, about 46 million have died from AIDS. Question: How many will die from Covid-19 without vaccination in 40 years? 120 million?

                        Quote: mat-vey
                        In the 19th century, everyone was already convinced that the vaccine works as it should and they picked up the dose without side effects, but in the 18th century ... So when they convinced, checked, then there were no questions and there were fewer opponents ..

                        I agree. Didn't specifically study the history of vaccinations. But, again: the use of a vaccine, or any other means, is quite acceptable, when the losses from not using are much worse! It's like gangrene and the question is: cut off the leg or will we wait for the drug to come up with an effective one?
                      16. -1
                        3 August 2021 14: 03
                        Quote: Perforator
                        And antibodies are not right or wrong - they are either there or they are not.

                        Why then is this not a reason not to inject the vaccine?
                2. +3
                  3 August 2021 14: 46
                  "It is a shame, gentlemen, in our age enlightened from smallpox to die" said Catherine the Great in the presence of foreign ambassadors to the news when someone from the British royal family died. At that time, she was vaccinated against smallpox, and issued a decree on the creation of smallpox houses in Russia, where such vaccinations were given to everyone. Already takes pride in Russia !!!! good
              2. +10
                3 August 2021 09: 49
                Quote: mat-vey
                And people need official SCIENTIFIC results confirmed by statistics and research.

                No, people need OFFICIAL scientific ...
                And there is a lot of scientific data, the human coronavirus has been studied far and wide for a long time. The Covid19 virus is 96% homologous to it; there are no mysteries in the bats coronovirus either. All boron cheese due to the fact that the considered harmless human adenovirus, which can persist in the body for some time, was chosen as a carrier of antigens, they crossed it with the Covid19 virus by genetic engineering, and the safe virus became the supplier of the envelope proteins of the coronavirus. From the point of view of an immunologist, a microbiologist, there is nothing to worry about. No more dangerous than GMO potatoes. But the media think differently laughing there are frank fakes. Yesterday I met: - among the vaccinated, the mortality rate is higher than among the unvaccinated. I read it. The conclusion of the article is that among the vaccinated 70 year olds, the mortality rate is higher than among the unvaccinated 30 year olds. Why aren't they shooting anyone?
                1. -2
                  3 August 2021 12: 03
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  The Covid19 virus is 96% homologous to it

                  The difference between a man and a gorilla is even less ... And just tell me what different creatures are.
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  Why aren't they shooting anyone?

                  Well, why?
                  1. 0
                    3 August 2021 14: 48
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    And what are you different creatures?

                    what are different?
                    1. 0
                      3 August 2021 15: 04
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      what are different?

                      Do you need to provide photos?
                      1. +1
                        3 August 2021 21: 11
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Do you need to provide photos?

                        there are people who are monkeys, there are monkeys that resemble humans. The difference in the number of chromosomes. Two eyes, two ears, similar hands, the structure of internal organs, protein composition ... The virus is not like that. The virus has envelope proteins and nucleocapsid proteins. I worked with canine parvovirus, so there are only eight. Therefore, 96% is a difference of one, maximum two shell proteins.
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        Why aren't they shooting anyone?

                        Well, why?

                        this, on my part, is more of a rhetorical question denoting my indignation at the lack of a fight against fakes.
                2. +6
                  3 August 2021 14: 23
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  there are no mysteries in the coronavirus of bats either


                  One of the most notable differences between SARS2 and RaTG13 is the 12-nucleotide insert that is neatly cut into the gene encoding the S-protein, next to the amino acid arginine.



                  As we can see, to the right and left of the insert SARS2 and RaTG13 are (almost) identical, as is identical to the right and left of the text in which the editor inserted something.

                  Our insert was first discovered when RaTG13 was published. Then, as other related viruses were discovered, it turned out that there was nothing of the kind in them either. In all other related viruses, this place looks like this:



                  As we can see, in all, with the exception of the RmYN02 virus, or, more precisely, with the exception of one variant of reading RmYN02, there is nothing of the kind. (We'll come back to RmYN02 - this is important.)

                  Thanks to this insert (note, cleverly inserted between the codon denoting serine), the amino acid sequence "proline-arginine-arginine-alanine", or PRRA, appears in our coronavirus.

                  Actually, it is noteworthy that such an insert perfectly optimizes the virus for a person))) About the intermediate carrier, which would have an intermediate mutation, have not yet been found. Just as they did not find patient zero ...
                  1. +3
                    3 August 2021 14: 58
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    We'll come back to RmYN02 - this is important

                    The corresponding gene region in RmYN02 is two codons shorter than that of RaTG13. The Clustal algorithm, used to compare mutations in closely related viruses, does not produce an insert at this point, but a deletion with subsequent mutations. From the point of view of evolution, this site can hardly be the prototype of our insertion.

                    But from the point of view of a genetic engineer - quite.
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                    1. +1
                      3 August 2021 15: 14
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      can you give a reference?

                      Well, there are a lot of links, funny reading especially before bedtime)))
            2. -1
              3 August 2021 09: 02
              Quote: Okolotochny
              By refusing to be vaccinated, you increase your risk of infecting another person. Moreover, the risk of death is high. Something like this.

              Unlike the rest of the world, do you have the results of completed research? If not, then decide for yourself, but do not blame others for anything and call them to actions that do not have clear and investigated consequences ..
              1. +2
                3 August 2021 09: 07
                but do not blame others for anything and urge

                Now show in my commentary the appeals and accusations? I expressed my opinion. No need to change and verbiage. I agreed with the opinion of the President of France, that's all.
                Yes, for the rudeness of the apologists "Everything is bad in Russia" they did not answer. I won't argue with you anymore.
                1. -2
                  3 August 2021 09: 10
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  For the need for vaccinations - imagine the "Russian Roulette" with a revolver for 10 rounds. So, with the vaccination in the drum there will be 1 combat, without the vaccination 4-5, moreover, they will be located in random order.

                  Do you have accurate data for all "patrons"? How does it affect people with various diseases?
                  1. +3
                    3 August 2021 09: 13
                    This is IMHO of course.

                    You are a strange commentator. "I see here, I don't see here." In the previous comment you quoted me, here you stubbornly do not see it. I expressed your opinion.
                    1. 0
                      3 August 2021 09: 21
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      I expressed my opinion.

                      And mine has the same right?
                      So, in my opinion, you are campaigning in terms of unverified data and voicing them in the media ...
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      ... By refusing to be vaccinated, you increase your risk of infecting another person. Moreover, the risk of death is high.

                      This is the same unknown for certain ... Moreover, as it turns out, the vaccinated infect "another person", so that even the vaccination technique itself has not been worked out ... something like that ... There are too many unknowns ...
                      1. +1
                        3 August 2021 23: 55
                        Is the Chinese vaccine approved by the EU? No, it was invented later than our Sputnik, more than half of the population was vaccinated in China. Look at the footage from China, there are queues for vaccinations. That is why we will not have a fleet like in China, they work hard, but we hold a meeting. Are our vaccines approved by the Ministry of Health and Rospotrebnadzor? Yes. Do you need the EU to approve? Are you ready to give up your sovereignty? And yet, our vaccines were invented by state research institutes with a long-term Soviet school. Western large private pharmaceutical companies. So move the initiative on the liquidation of research institutes and outsourcing by Western companies. You do not believe the national state research institutes.
            3. 0
              3 August 2021 14: 21
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Refusing vaccinations you increase the risk of infecting another person... Moreover, the risk of death is high.

              How if the other is supposed to be vaccinated? And if the vaccine does not work, then why get vaccinated, is it logical? If the other was not vaccinated, then he has no one to blame but himself. Therefore, all these your maxims and moral appeals are no more than propaganda tricks. Moreover, they were not invented by you, but taken from a zombie or from the same media.
        2. -1
          5 August 2021 15: 46
          I don't watch vaccination advertisements, but "turned on the brains"
          are these not your words? that is, you do not use your brains all the time, so you sometimes turn on
  15. 0
    3 August 2021 06: 58
    Costly social articles will gradually disappear. This is the danger. If now only children are collecting money for treatment, then in the future it will affect adults. Fantasy will say. The time has come for the end of the social truce. And as the panther Bagheera said in a fairy tale, "Well said, baby. When the truce of water is over, it will be reckoned to you."
  16. -2
    3 August 2021 06: 58
    When Israeli citizens were obliged to inject with an experimental drug (and he still
    experimental, like "Sputnik") they took out insurance
    shadow on the fence
    For myself, I made the following conclusion: when everything will become clear with the drug, when the data on real contraindications will be published again (and not wiped out),
    the author -> the author -> the author may not live to see this, because he will get sick and die, with the drug everything is clear, it is not clear yet with the virus-strains - the evolution of the virus on the sick or the stuffing of Americans as in Wuhan and in the fish market with a batch of frozen fish from Europe
    Moscow openly "buries" the vaccine from Novosibirsk, does not give confidence in either one or the other. Ugly
    initially it all started with an open letter from 60 Phase 200 volunteers. What does Moscow have to do with it? The vector itself should have long ago unleashed propaganda and opened the test data. In the Republic of Tatarstan, XNUMX thousand doses of Epivac were recognized as "halal", I know doctors who were vaccinated with Epivac.
    Pregnant is not allowed - pregnant women are allowed - pregnant women need
    it is possible from 22 weeks and it is necessary. little experience, while being reinsured, waiting for what the WHO will say.
    Who studied how safe the drug is for children? This question is especially interesting.
    Children also suffer from covid and are also severely ill, and also every third has long-term complications on the central nervous system, endocrine system, heart, and internal organs. In Israel and the United States, they are vaccinated at the age of 12, while in Moscow they are still vaccinated on 100 healthy volunteers.
    The constant change of information does not inspire confidence.
    For the uninformed and not following the topic: Covid-19 is a new disease, which is only being studied, because more and more new strains (up to 40 and more can be formed in one patient !!!), this is a rehearsal of biological warfare. Now it doesn't matter whether it was injected in Wuhan by the Americans or if it was a leak, first in Fort Detrix (USA), and then possibly in a "leak" in Wuhan (at least bats in several thousand from Wuhan have been rehabilitated, it is clear that the "intermediate" link between mice and American man). Do you want to live long and happy? Get vaccinated. If you do not want to be vaccinated, save money for a pharmacy and / or a funeral for yourself and / or loved ones. Read more not a hundred, it's time to go to work.
    1. +8
      3 August 2021 07: 23
      it is possible from 22 weeks and it is necessary. little experience, while being reinsured, waiting for what the WHO will say.

      A friend works in a antenatal clinic. Already 4 cases of late pregnancy, all mothers have recently been vaccinated. So draw a conclusion how useful this procedure is for pregnant women.
      1. -6
        3 August 2021 08: 18
        Quote: Dante
        it is possible from 22 weeks and it is necessary. little experience, while being reinsured, waiting for what the WHO will say.

        A friend works in a antenatal clinic. Already 4 cases of late pregnancy, all mothers have recently been vaccinated. So draw a conclusion how useful this procedure is for pregnant women.

        A frozen pregnancy is not new; pregnant women are not vaccinated without exception.
      2. 0
        3 August 2021 14: 38
        Quote: Dante
        all moms have recently been vaccinated.

        all the noise about the genetically modified Gamaley vaccine. It is just impossible for pregnant and elderly people ... If we talk about vaccinations, then it is necessary to indicate its type
    2. +7
      3 August 2021 07: 51
      Get vaccinated. If you do not want to be vaccinated, save money for a pharmacy and / or a funeral for yourself and / or loved ones. Read more not a hundred, it's time to go to work.

      The main thing is belief in a vaccine, believe me, get vaccinated, but only after being tested by doctors and tests for covid, otherwise one can overlap with antibodies. But do not believe, do not get vaccinated, the main thing is not to be afraid and not to be depressed in front of covid, all diseases are from nerves ...
      1. +1
        3 August 2021 12: 58
        Quote: Konnick
        The main thing is belief in a vaccine, believe me, get vaccinated, but only after being tested by doctors and tests for covid, otherwise one can overlap with antibodies. But do not believe, do not get vaccinated, the main thing is not to be afraid and not to be depressed in front of covid, all diseases are from nerves ...

        not reasonable
        1. +1
          3 August 2021 14: 58
          not reasonable

          Pre-vaccination testing or doctor's examination? Get vaccinated and take it easy.
      2. +3
        3 August 2021 14: 39
        Quote: Konnick
        otherwise, it can overlap one another and the antibodies.

        can not. Another misconception that some scribblers have in the media
        1. +1
          7 August 2021 13: 40
          Is there any scientific research to support this?
          1. -1
            7 August 2021 18: 56
            there is. I can send if you know how to study scientific abstracts. In short, there is much talk about antibody dependent disease exacerbation. But they forget that so far this has been recorded only in children under 10 years old, and children generally get sick less, and only when they get sick for the second time. And thirdly, when their antibodies have weak affinity. As a specialist, I will tell you that all the speculations about Covid19 are based not on a biological, but on a political component ... And a re-illness for the second time speaks of an unformed immunity, which happens if you abuse anti-inflammatory drugs. And this is now everywhere, according to the recommendations of the WHO,
            tell the email where to send
      3. +2
        3 August 2021 19: 45
        Quote: Konnick
        Get vaccinated. If you do not want to be vaccinated, save money for a pharmacy and / or a funeral for yourself and / or loved ones. Read more not a hundred, it's time to go to work.

        The main thing is belief in a vaccine, believe me, get vaccinated, but only after being tested by doctors and tests for covid, otherwise one can overlap with antibodies. But do not believe, do not get vaccinated, the main thing is not to be afraid and not to be depressed in front of covid, all diseases are from nerves ...

        the most common complications after coronavirus were renal - they were observed in almost 25 percent of cases; respiratory (18 percent), and systemic (16 percent). Almost one in eight had cardiovascular complications (12 percent), neurological - four percent, gastrointestinal and hepatic - less than one percent.
        What if these 80 thousand examined patients with covid (Sweden) were vaccinated on time?
    3. +6
      3 August 2021 08: 06
      Quote: Balu
      Children also suffer from covid and are also severely ill, and also every third has long-term complications on the central nervous system, endocrine system, heart, and internal organs. In Israel and the United States, they are vaccinated at the age of 12, while in Moscow they are still vaccinated on 100 healthy volunteers.

      To date, there is no confirmation that children are seriously ill, the cases are so isolated that they even do not fit into the statistics.
      1. -6
        3 August 2021 08: 22
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Balu
        Children also suffer from covid and are also severely ill, and also every third has long-term complications on the central nervous system, endocrine system, heart, and internal organs. In Israel and the United States, they are vaccinated at the age of 12, while in Moscow they are still vaccinated on 100 healthy volunteers.

        To date, there is no confirmation that children are seriously ill, the cases are so isolated that they even do not fit into the statistics.

        Conflicting information you have, does not correspond to publications in your country.
        1. -1
          3 August 2021 19: 09
          Quote: Balu
          Your contradictory information does not correspond to the publications in your art.

          absolutely does not contradict.
          Believe me, I'm following this. Sick children (usually over 12 years old, so the smaller ones did not appear at all) were with such a bunch of concomitant diseases, and such a weakened immune system. that the question is how do they live in general.
          1. +2
            3 August 2021 19: 39
            Quote: atalef
            Believe me, I'm following this.

            At work, in addition to my specialty, I regularly follow three topics: protecting corporate interests, protecting the interests of a doctor, and everything related to covid. Look in your medical literature and information from your ministry of health. Do you want to say that those vaccinated with Pfizer (you basically have two vaccines?) Did not get sick with the new (Indian) delta strain? At what point has the situation become more complicated and there is a question about appropriate security measures?
            1. -1
              3 August 2021 19: 49
              Quote: Balu
              ... Do you want to say that those vaccinated with Pfizer (you basically have two vaccines?) Did not get sick with the new (Indian) delta strain?

              of course they got sick and even part died. What's the problem ?
              Quote: Balu
              At what point has the situation become more complicated and there is a question about appropriate security measures?

              in general, before the adoption of the budget in Israel, the situation always becomes more complicated for everyone, because they want more money.
              I check the statistics of our Ministry of Health regularly and more than once or twice they sat in a puddle in full. The fact that now with the delta - yes, the vaccinated as well are infected. But 95% get sick in a mild form, a huge part is generally asymptomatic, to date, 200 people have been hospitalized throughout the country. 35 are connected to a ventilator. the average age of patients (hospitalized) is 78+.
              A couple died one less than 50 the second less than 40 (were not vaccinated), the rest of the dead (vaccinated) are usually 80+.
              do you think there are healthy people with excellent immunity at this age?
              1. +2
                3 August 2021 19: 53
                Quote: atalef
                do you think there are healthy people with excellent immunity at this age?

                I deleted this digest, but I'll look for a link for you.
                1. -2
                  3 August 2021 19: 55
                  Quote: Balu
                  Quote: atalef
                  do you think there are healthy people with excellent immunity at this age?

                  I deleted this digest, but I'll look for a link for you.

                  Understand, unlike you, I also regularly watch news in Hebrew, and not reprints from nowhere.
                  I have something to lie.
                  here is the summary for this minute
                  19:18 03/08/2021
                  2052 new infections identified in Israel since midnight
                  Of 69 thousand tests, about 3,1% are positive. The number of seriously ill patients by the evening did not change - 221 (182 of whom were over 60 years old and 138 of the latter were vaccinated). 47 are connected to a ventilator.
                  1. +1
                    3 August 2021 19: 57
                    experimental data, most recent:
                    St. Petersburg Health Committee: Among those fully vaccinated with the coronavirus, 1,64% were infected with Sputnik, 6,07% were among those vaccinated with EpiVacCorona and 0,89% were among those vaccinated with KoviVac.
                    1. -2
                      3 August 2021 20: 00
                      Quote: Balu
                      St. Petersburg Health Committee: Among those fully vaccinated with the coronavirus, 1,64% were infected with Sputnik, 6,07% were among those vaccinated with EpiVacCorona and 0,89% were among those vaccinated with KoviVac.

                      and what ? I don't quite understand?
                    2. 0
                      4 August 2021 19: 34
                      citizens who have undergone the full cycle of vaccination against coronavirus are three times less at risk of infection in comparison with unvaccinated ones. This conclusion, based on the research results, was made by experts from the Imperial College London and the Ipsos MORI company.
                      sad
    4. 0
      3 August 2021 12: 45
      .
      Quote: Balu
      When Israeli citizens were obliged to inject with an experimental drug (and it is still experimental, like Sputnik), they were issued insurance

      Quote: Balu
      shadow on the fence

      In addition, the Israeli state retains product liability... The European Union, on the other hand, was very keen that BioNTech-Pfizer continue to be liable for the safety of the product.
      In addition, the State of Israel retains responsibility for product quality. The European Union, on the other hand, was very interested in keeping BioNTech-Pfizer responsible for product safety.
      And that would be clear
      States are responsible, and each member of the health insurance fund (according to your clinic) has health insurance.
  17. +11
    3 August 2021 07: 09
    The amount of a one-time benefit to citizens who have experienced a post-vaccination complication is 10 thousand rubles. In case of death from vaccination, family members of the deceased will receive 30 thousand rubles.
    State Duma Deputy Tumusov sent his letter to the Ministry of Health, in which he proposed introducing life and health insurance for everyone vaccinated against COVID-19 for 10 million rubles. “The logic was simple,” he explained to RBC. "If the vaccine is safe, then the state will not lose anything, and people will be convinced, if the vaccine can actually lead to a bad outcome, then the money is needed, since it becomes de facto mandatory."
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/30/07/2021/6103b3bc9a79476476d44ced
    1. +7
      3 August 2021 08: 07
      Quote: riwas
      The amount of a one-time benefit to citizens who have experienced a post-vaccination complication is 10 thousand rubles. In case of death from vaccination, family members of the deceased will receive 30 thousand rubles.
      State Duma Deputy Tumusov sent his letter to the Ministry of Health, in which he proposed introducing life and health insurance for everyone vaccinated against COVID-19 for 10 million rubles. “The logic was simple,” he explained to RBC. "If the vaccine is safe, then the state will not lose anything, and people will be convinced, if the vaccine can actually lead to a bad outcome, then the money is needed, since it becomes de facto mandatory."
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/30/07/2021/6103b3bc9a79476476d44ced

      To do this, it will be necessary at least to prove that he died from vaccination, I think this is quite difficult
      1. +9
        3 August 2021 08: 44
        Quote: atalef
        To do this, it will be necessary at least to prove that he died from vaccination, I think this is quite difficult

        I agree. An example is a family who died in the Krasnodar Territory after vaccination.
        1. 0
          3 August 2021 19: 47
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Quote: atalef
          To do this, it will be necessary at least to prove that he died from vaccination, I think this is quite difficult

          I agree. An example is a family who died in the Krasnodar Territory after vaccination.

          Michael, you have not read this article carefully. Old people died from covid 10-12 days after the first stage of vaccination, because immunity did not have time to form, and not from the vaccine.
          1. 0
            3 August 2021 21: 18
            Quote: Balu
            Michael, you have not read this article carefully. Old people died from covid 10-12 days after the first stage of vaccination, because immunity did not have time to form, and not from the vaccine.

            No, I just carefully read several articles with different wording of what happened and listened to the opinions of doctors on this matter. In one interpretation of the doctor, the vaccine has nothing to do with it - the covid is to blame (for me this version is understandable in connection with the policy of "voluntary-compulsory" vaccination).
            The opposite opinion of the opposing doctor - the vaccine was the cause of complications, and so, judging by the chronic diseases, weakened immunity, which, with the symptoms of a "newfangled" disease, led to the death of the vaccinated family. Here is one of the demo videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tkHOrARv8
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 05: 40
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              Quote: Balu
              Michael, you have not read this article carefully. Old people died from covid 10-12 days after the first stage of vaccination, because immunity did not have time to form, and not from the vaccine.

              No, I just carefully read several articles with different wording of what happened and listened to the opinions of doctors on this matter. In one interpretation of the doctor, the vaccine has nothing to do with it - the covid is to blame (for me this version is understandable in connection with the policy of "voluntary-compulsory" vaccination).
              The opposite opinion of the opposing doctor - the vaccine was the cause of complications, and so, judging by the chronic diseases, weakened immunity, which, with the symptoms of a "newfangled" disease, led to the death of the vaccinated family. Here is one of the demo videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tkHOrARv8

              Old people died from covid, because immunity did not have time to form. Everything must be done on time and not listen to the woven trolls from tiktok. If you look closely, different videos are filmed in the same room, although the themes are different.
              1. +1
                7 August 2021 13: 48
                Where did the doctors look? Why were sick people vaccinated?
        2. +4
          3 August 2021 23: 58
          State the circumstances - grandparents had diabetes and kidney failure.
    2. +2
      3 August 2021 16: 45
      Quote: riwas
      State Duma Deputy Tumusov sent his letter to the Ministry of Health,

      Why don't you write that this initiative of the deputy was immediately buried? You know, this is an indicator ...
    3. +3
      4 August 2021 00: 12
      Quote: riwas
      State Duma Deputy Tumusov sent his letter to the Ministry of Health, in which he proposed introducing life and health insurance for everyone vaccinated against COVID-19 for 10 million rubles. “The logic was simple,” he explained to RBC. "If the vaccine is safe, then the state will not lose anything, and people will be convinced, if the vaccine can actually lead to a bad outcome, then the money is needed, since it becomes de facto mandatory."
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/30/07/2021/6103b3bc9a79476476d44ced

      Having rejected this proposal of the deputy, the state indirectly recognizes the danger of vaccinations.
      In addition, in today's news feeds there was a message that "vaccination will not be counted as a cause of death."
      Thus, it becomes obvious that there WILL NOT be any statistics on vaccine mortality. Dot.
  18. +8
    3 August 2021 07: 21
    Procession of the Cross in Kiev. 400 thousand believers without masks. The genotype is the same as in Moscow and the rest of Russia. The number of those vaccinated in Ukraine is negligible. No outbreaks of covid after that. Of course, God has nothing to do with it. The novel is right about 100.
    1. -2
      4 August 2021 19: 46
      Procession of the Cross in Kiev. 400 thousand believers without masks. The genotype is the same as in Moscow and the rest of Russia. The number of those vaccinated in Ukraine is negligible. No outbreaks of covid after that. Of course, God has nothing to do with it. The novel is right about 100.

      citizens who have undergone the full cycle of vaccination against coronavirus are three times less at risk of infection in comparison with unvaccinated ones. This conclusion, based on the research results, was made by experts from the Imperial College London and the Ipsos MORI company.
      1. 0
        5 August 2021 06: 34
        If not a panicky propaganda campaign on the part of the state, maybe someone will trust such messages. And so everything, as in the parable of the boy and the wolves smile
        1. 0
          5 August 2021 07: 14
          Quote: avia12005
          If not a panicky propaganda campaign on the part of the state, maybe someone will trust such messages. And so everything, as in the parable of the boy and the wolves smile

          in intensive care, remember your words. Alabama physician: One last thing asked to be vaccinated before intubation. And it's too late. I don't care whether there is life on Mars or not and who will win the Olympics. Knowing how covid patients die, like many doctors around the world, I campaign for vaccination in social networks. sad
          1. 0
            5 August 2021 10: 18
            I tell you one thing, you tell me something else. I will not wish you resuscitation, not so brought up. Celebrate your own vaccination in a good squash.

            And ... Vaccinations should be carried out as planned, without panic. It would be even better to first identify the most vulnerable groups of the population, draw up lists, vaccinate them, then everyone else. I do not know how it is with you in Alabama, but in the Russian Federation it would be understood correctly.
            1. +1
              5 August 2021 11: 02
              Quote: avia12005
              Vaccination should be carried out as planned, without panic

              time is running out. You are just not in the subject. When you or loved ones find yourself in a covid intensive care unit, remember our discussion sad
              1. 0
                5 August 2021 12: 33
                Do you know the saying: "You can't drink military logic on drink?" You don't seem to have it.
                fellow
                1. 0
                  5 August 2021 12: 53
                  Quote: avia12005
                  Do you know the saying: "You can't drink military logic on drink?" You don't seem to have it.
                  fellow

                  not witty and out of topic. Well, I gave you good advice, and then yourself ...
                  1. 0
                    5 August 2021 13: 16
                    Good luck. And good mood on the fronts of the fight against the pandemic.
                    1. +1
                      5 August 2021 14: 07
                      Quote: avia12005
                      Good luck. And good mood on the fronts of the fight against the pandemic.

                      and you won't get sick
                      1. -1
                        5 August 2021 15: 21
                        I hope) and I will try
          2. -1
            5 August 2021 16: 19
            ... "Knowing how the coven sick die,"
            just like cancer, tuberculosis, diabetic. only much less of them
            1. 0
              5 August 2021 19: 04
              Quote: aglet
              ... "Knowing how the coven sick die,"
              just like cancer, tuberculosis, diabetic. only much less of them

              https://vrachirf.ru/concilium/93244.html?utm_source=vrch&utm_medium=dstr_22&utm_campaign=msg_10835
  19. +8
    3 August 2021 07: 38
    Recently, Sputnik's developer boasted that its drug would protect people for more than a year. Then the term was reduced to a year. Today we are told that we will need to inject at least three times every six months.

    Business, nothing personal. We increase profits. I came for vaccination, they ask me for the compulsory medical insurance policy, I'm talking about the absence, they send me .... for a policy. And this money for vaccinations is from our taxpayer's pocket. And the possibility of competing with others at the international level pushes Sputnik towards international recognition. Pfizer, sensing the increase in demand, began to raise prices.
    And I especially do not like the unhealthy psychological environment created by the media, both in our country and in the world. It has long been recognized that the influence of a person's mental state on the incidence and course of the disease, people under stress, with depression get sick more often and get sick more severely than people who receive hormones of "joy" more often than others.
    And our media is something with something, about the fact that Mamonov unvaccinated wrote a lot, but about the fact that Menshov was vaccinated was silent. I myself have been vaccinated several times against the flu, IN ADVANCE, from encephalitis 3-4 months before travel, from tetanus once every 10 years, by the way, I still need to do it against hepatitis B, and from this coronavirus it will reduce immunity during the spread. And like Roman, also in December 2019, he was ill with an incomprehensible illness with a one-sided sore throat, like a sore throat, literally 5 days, on the sixth morning 38,5, by lunchtime 36,6. But I drank sumamed. He did not call doctors, since sick leave is not needed, but normal, knowledgeable doctors are in short supply. Recently one of my relatives fell ill, she was immediately prescribed dexamethasone. She told me that I forbade her to take this last hope immunity-suppressing drug in order to reduce the cytokine storm, she was cured in a week with aspirin, melatonin and vitamin C, of ​​course, a lot of herbal compotes teas to help natural immunity and eliminate toxins. This is the level of our doctors, very sad. And I forgot about the discharged Xarelto and remembered when the hemoptysis began. Stupidly, one size fits all, according to a single protocol, they are treated, and suddenly something is wrong, and this is called collective irresponsibility. So is vaccination - everyone can be injected, stupidity of course.
    Thanks for the brave article, Roman.
    1. +4
      3 August 2021 08: 10
      Quote: Konnick
      And this money for vaccinations from our taxpayer pocket

      Open secret.
      And where else?
    2. +2
      3 August 2021 16: 52
      I was pulled out of the covid by amoxiclav. I was ill at home. My wife fell ill for me, the children at least that. The doctor who came did not even examine my wife, did not prescribe treatment for her, she passed the statistics of the disease, without "spoiling her." I learned about amoxiclav from a friend who had recovered, medicine offered the magic arbidol. After this, how will I trust the statistics and someone's statements?
      1. +3
        3 August 2021 19: 49
        Quote: Galleon
        I was pulled out of the covid by amoxiclav. I was ill at home. My wife fell ill for me, the children at least that. The doctor who came did not even examine my wife, did not prescribe treatment for her, she passed the statistics of the disease, without "spoiling her." I learned about amoxiclav from a friend who had recovered, medicine offered the magic arbidol. After this, how will I trust the statistics and someone's statements?

        Amoxiclav from viruses is useless. It is prescribed when the blood tests show that the bacterial flora has joined. You're just in luck.
        "The most frequent complications after coronavirus were renal - they were observed in almost 25 percent of cases; respiratory (18 percent), and systemic (16 percent). Almost one in eight had cardiovascular complications (12 percent), as well as neurological - four percent , gastrointestinal and hepatic - less than one percent. "
        do not forget to undergo medical examination, perhaps something will upset you.
        1. 0
          3 August 2021 20: 42
          Quote: Balu
          do not forget to undergo medical examination, perhaps something will upset you.

          Thanks for the friendly advice. There is still enough grief for health to resist them))
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 05: 41
            Quote: Galleon
            Quote: Balu
            do not forget to undergo medical examination, perhaps something will upset you.

            Thanks for the friendly advice. There is still enough grief for health to resist them))

            Even in healthy young athletes who have suffered in a mild form, the ECG has a picture of microinfarctions.
            1. 0
              5 August 2021 16: 27
              "Even healthy young athletes who have suffered mildly have microinfarctions on the ECG."
              uzhos, uzhos !!! what will happen to the world next?
    3. 0
      4 August 2021 13: 07
      We are only asked SNILS. You don't need a passport or a policy ...
  20. +7
    3 August 2021 07: 53
    I am vaccinated against both seasonal flu and covid. But getting the flu vaccine should be personal and voluntary!

    And to vaccinate children with etimi, hmm ... with under-tested vaccines is a crime at all, given that the flu passes easily or even unnoticed.

    In our country (in the EU), the authorities have not yet answered the questions:

    1. How many people have had covid? It's not even difficult to do a survey.
    2. How many people have cellular immunity. Not antibodies that disappear in a year, but definitely cellular. Suddenly it turns out that I got the coronavirus in 2015 (and then there was an epidemic) and I do not need to get vaccinated.
    3. How long has cellular immunity been active? 5 ... or 10? Or do they not want to answer, because the money is cut by vaccines?

    In the end, only the authorities around the world are to blame for the fact that people feel distrust of this vaccination hysteria.
    1. +3
      3 August 2021 11: 44
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      2. How many people have cellular immunity. Not antibodies that disappear in a year, but definitely cellular.

      If there were antibodies, then there is immunity to this strain, since after the disappearance of antibodies, there are still memory B-lymphocytes, which will allow you to quickly develop antibodies again when the already familiar antigen enters the body.
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      3. How long has cellular immunity been active? 5 ... or 10? Or do they not want to answer, because the money is cut by vaccines?

      From lifelong, in most cases, up to 6 months of H3N2 flu.
      1. +4
        3 August 2021 11: 56
        If there were antibodies, then there is immunity to this strain, since after the disappearance of antibodies, there are still memory B-lymphocytes, which will allow you to quickly develop antibodies again, when they enter the body.


        Plus, I will continue the thought-

        A reduced lymphocyte count - lymphopenia - is one of the poor prognostic signs for COVID-19. Because patients in the acute phase with a reduced number of lymphocytes carry the infection in a more severe form. Conversely, a good lymphocyte count means that a person is less likely to get sick, and if he does get sick, there is less risk that the disease will be severe.


        This is from an interview in Izvestia of the academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, director of the Pasteur Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology of the Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare Areg Totolyan. For anyone interested, read
        https://iz.ru/1200002/nataliia-mikhalchenko/my-obnaruzhili-prichiny-nevospriimchivosti-nekotorykh-liudei-k-sars-cov-2
        Take care and monitor your health by regularly doing at least a clinical blood test. You cannot rely only on medicine and pills. Strengthen your immune system when you are young.
  21. -18
    3 August 2021 08: 02
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    I do not understand the source of your aggression, which you demonstrate towards those who have not yet done so.

    I was grafted. Those who are not vaccinated are their choice. What is the difference:
    - if I get sick, I will be treated at home on the couch;
    - if the unvaccinated person gets sick, he will be on mechanical ventilation (survival rate ~ 50%).
    Everyone decides for himself where to be - in this world or that.

    We are now going through a period of demographic decline caused by the Civil War and the Second World War.
    The anti-vaccinators are deepening this pit with their deaths.
    This weakens our state and I don’t like it.

    ps
    In England, ~ 70% of the population took root.

    pps
    It is necessary to listen less to the announcers from "Echo of Washington in Moscow", who are already hoarse from the call not to vaccinate, although everyone is vaccinated themselves, without exception ...
    1. +18
      3 August 2021 08: 22
      We are now going through a period of demographic decline caused by the Civil War and the Second World War.

      You have forgotten the Polovtsy and Pechenegs
    2. +3
      3 August 2021 08: 32
      - if I get sick,
      I will not go to the doctors. I am addressing my friends (do not consider that this is delirious): Lay me a steppe, curtain my windows with fog, At the head of my bed put a star that has fallen from the sky. (c)
      1. -13
        3 August 2021 08: 41
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        I will not go to doctors. I am referring to my friends

        The "golden" billion has not abandoned its population reduction goals. They could not unleash a hot war, they were late. Biological warfare against the entire population of the planet is in full swing. I do not want to be a victim in this war, and therefore I protected myself.

        Anti-vaccinators, whether they understand it or not, are on the side of the "golden" billion, not realizing that they will be the first to die in this war. I feel sorry for them.

        ps
        Sputnik V protects against all mutations of the coronavirus, incl. and from the crown on the head.
        1. +7
          3 August 2021 08: 45
          Sputnik V protects against all mutations of the coronavirus, incl. and from the crown on the head.
          alas, comrade Boris, the dog does not take a trace.
        2. +6
          3 August 2021 09: 59
          Sputnik V protects against all mutations of the coronavirus, incl. and from the crown on the head.

          Inject for health, at least every month. Only do not meddle with those who do not share your confidence and enthusiasm. Respect their right to be human.
        3. +1
          3 August 2021 14: 13
          The "golden" billion has not abandoned its population reduction goals. They could not unleash a hot war, they were late. Biological warfare against the entire population of the planet is in full swing

          I agree, but I would like to clarify that the "golden" billion is given by the population decline?
      2. +3
        3 August 2021 08: 50
        I will not go to the doctors. I am addressing my friends (do not consider that this is delirious): Lay me a steppe, curtain my windows with fog, At the head of my bed put a star that has fallen from the sky. (c)

        Beautiful poems by Yaroslav Smelyakov, famous thanks to Yuri Vizbor. But I like the performance of another Yuri - Shevchuk more.

    3. +3
      3 August 2021 10: 24
      Quote: Boris55
      It is necessary to listen less to the announcers from "Echo of Washington in Moscow", who are already hoarse from the call not to get vaccinated, although everyone is vaccinated themselves, without exception.

      The Washington Post published excerpts from an internal government document on the development of the coronavirus epidemic. The main thing in the document is the recognition that the delta strain can actually be considered a new virus. wearing masks: they must again be worn by everyone, including those vaccinated. ... that vaccines are not as effective for immunocompromised patients and nursing home residents. This means that these categories of people will have to receive revaccination as a priority.
      sad
    4. +4
      3 August 2021 12: 01
      "~ 70% of the population took root in England."
      USA, Germany, France, Italy, Israel ... from 50% vaccinated.
      I'm wondering - are there people in general stupid? They don't worry about their genes at all? For your future? Don't they know that vaccines have a bunch of side effects (although the research is not finished yet, but someone is talking about it)? How do they generally view their rights there? Someone, spending billions of taxpayer money, buys them a little-studied vaccine with a bunch of side effects, but what are they? Are they outraged? They demand that Macron vaccinate Boris, and that Biden? Aha! No matter how it is! They are like a stupid herd of rams and go and get vaccinated! And in Israel, they sold themselves to officials: the author says so bluntly: they promised insurance if anything ...
      Not! We are not like that! We know the value of freedom and truth! We will defend the owl's right not to be vaccinated!
      1. -6
        3 August 2021 12: 52
        Quote: Perforator
        And in Israel, they sold themselves to officials: the author says so bluntly: they promised insurance if anything ...

        If you are paid to write nonsense, I understand you.
        Quote: Perforator
        Not! We are not like that! We know the value of freedom and truth! We will defend the owl's right not to be vaccinated!

        But no one argues about this, although they are trying to take this right away from you.
        1. +2
          3 August 2021 13: 30
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin

          If you are paid to write nonsense, I understand you.

          What nonsense? Have you read the article? The author bluntly said that in Israel people are given insurance against the consequences for being vaccinated with an experimental drug. In another way, this is called "compulsory testing of a new drug on a contractual basis." Is this good or bad? I think this is the right decision in this situation. It is easier to prevent than to correct.
          And on the account of payment - I would be glad if someone would pay me for comments. Do you happen to have a telephone number?
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          But no one argues about this, although they are trying to take this right away from you.

          Sure! "Bloody Gebnya" makes you vaccinated! I’ll cite Israel as an example to you again - in your opinion, it’s out there that people have already been deprived of their freedom, since they were forced to be vaccinated, right?
          1. -4
            3 August 2021 14: 17
            Quote: Perforator
            What nonsense? Have you read the article? The author bluntly said that in Israel people are given insurance against the consequences for being vaccinated with an experimental drug.

            1 Yes, of course I did.
            2 I live in Israel and everything that you write is from what someone said or wrote, or you understood how you wanted.
            3 I wrote everything to YOU ​​clearly and clearly and brought it in two languages the state of Israel retains responsibility for the quality of its products.
            Quote: Perforator
            I’ll cite Israel as an example to you again - in your opinion, it’s out there that people have already been deprived of their freedom, since they were forced to be vaccinated, right?

            Of course not this way
            I WOULD EVEN BE HAPPY IF I WOULD BE TAKEN IN PART OF THE VACCINATIONS.
            A simple example.
            Arrived from abroad, at the airport takes the analysis.
            Until the result is 24 hours, he should be at home.
            At the airport, some give a false address and if he tests positive, he cannot be found and he will continue to infect others. To apply punishment to him, not in the law
            It is necessary to pass a law in the Knesset, the Supreme Court must confirm that it is legal, give a few days for familiarization (warning) and only then a fine
            It is very difficult for YOU to understand, you are accustomed to the cliché "the Israeli military all stinks under arms."
            Today, 9% of the adult population do not want to be vaccinated, so that they have "green passports" without which they cannot visit public places, but they can do an analysis 72 hours before visiting (they always leave a choice). While it was free, and now they warned that they will pay
            That's all that is forced.
            1. +2
              3 August 2021 14: 48
              Dear Vitaly Gusin! I don't have any prejudice about Israel, its order and its citizens, and never had it! Israel he is somewhere over the sea ... What do we, living in Russia, before him?
              What I know about Israel, I know from the Internet: a state that is rigidly bending its line, in its own interests. Military clique there or handing out gingerbread - not the point.
              Now about vaccination. "Today, 9% of the adult population does not want to be vaccinated." nine%!!! Do you understand this? Okay, let another 9% abstain and do as they are told ... But the remaining 20% did the vaccination deliberately? An experimental vaccine !!!
              You didn’t understand my sarcasm about "citizens sold for insurance". I understand perfectly well that this is not at all the case. I do not know what level of medical care can be obtained in Israel for free. Let's say the same person with covid? Will Israel be provided with the whole range of medical services (ambulance, intensive care, medicines) free of charge in Israel? In Russia, they will provide 100%. Therefore, in Israel, medical insurance before vaccination is probably an additional guarantee. In Russia, this guarantee is provided by default. Yes, quality. most likely lower, but it is.
              1. -2
                3 August 2021 15: 44
                Quote: Perforator
                But the other 70% did the vaccination deliberately? An experimental vaccine !!!

                I will add more fuel to the fire.
                The third vaccine has not yet been accepted for use. neither the FDA nor the EMA nor the WHO (by the way, like Sputnik) Adopted after a study was carried out on the council of 60 professors of this field, 59 against 1.
                But the people of Israel, as well as YOU (unlike the bulk of those living in Russia) believe in their 100% free medicine and the government they have chosen.
                This is what the state of Israel lives on.
                1. +3
                  3 August 2021 17: 01
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  The third vaccine has not yet been approved for use by the FDA, the EMA, or the WHO.

                  Well? How do the people of Israel, for the most part, relate to this state of affairs? How does he assess the actions of his government? Probably, the same is expressing dissatisfaction, accusing officials of stupidity and greed, and doctors and scientists of complete unprofessionalism, refusing to be vaccinated en masse, looking for ways to buy a certificate ... Yes?


                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin

                  But the people of Israel, as well as YOU (unlike the bulk of those living in Russia) believe in their 100% free medicine and the government they have chosen.
                  This is what the state of Israel lives on.

                  And he does not live badly, I can tell you!
                  The government and the state of Israel decided to conduct an experiment - to test a new vaccine for the third (!!!) time in a row, and the Israelis are happy about it! Wonderful are your works, O Lord!
                  1. -4
                    3 August 2021 18: 21
                    Quote: Perforator
                    Well? How do the people of Israel, for the most part, relate to this state of affairs? How does he assess the actions of his government? I suppose, the same is expressed dissatisfaction,

                    Look at your fingers on your hand.
                    Are they all equal?
                    Quote: Perforator
                    accuse officials of stupidity and greed

                    This is what journalists do in Israel and they do it great.
                    For the gifts of Bibi's cigars and champagne to his wife, a criminal case has been launched now and now.
                    Quote: Perforator
                    and doctors and scientists in complete non-professionalism,

                    Doctors are different, but they do not deal with vaccinations, these are nurses and medical workers, military, each has a computer, swiping my magnetic card, they see not only what I am sick with, but probably what I ate a week ago (exaggerating) there is nothing to fill out and no need to sign , duration less than 2 minutes.
                    Quote: Perforator
                    and scientists in complete non-professionalism,

                    Haven't heard
                    Quote: Perforator
                    refuse to vaccinate en masse

                    Massively no.
                    Quote: Perforator
                    looking for ways to buy a certificate ...

                    At first they tried to sell, but they paid more than they could earn in several years and warned the prison for the second time.
                    Quote: Perforator
                    And he does not live badly, I can tell you!

                    You can always do better, I tell YOU.
                    Quote: Perforator
                    The government and the state of Israel decided to conduct an experiment - to test a new vaccine for the third (!!!) time in a row, and the Israelis are happy about it!


                    שירותי בריאות כללית:
                    "שיא במספר המתחסנים היומי ובמספר המתחסנים הכולל למנה השלישית!
                    לאחר שחוסנו היום כ -20,000 מטופלים ועוד כ -180 אלף הזמינו תור לימים הקרובים ".
                    למעלה מ -70,000 איש התחסנו עד כה במנת החיסון השלישית דרך כללית.
                    Clalit Health Insurance Fund
                    : “Record for the number of daily vaccinations and for the total number of those vaccinated for the third dose!
                    After vaccinating nearly 20 patients today, another 000 made appointments for the next few days. ”
                    More than 70 people have already been vaccinated with the third dose of the vaccine (c000 / 1)

                    This is only one health insurance fund.
                    And there are 3 more.
                    Marvelous are your deeds, Lord!
                    1. 0
                      4 August 2021 09: 53
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      After vaccinating nearly 20 patients today, another 000 made appointments for the next few days.

                      Dear Vitaly! I ask you - as a person "at the scene" so to speak - try to explain to us, who are here and live in Russia - WHAT can force 180 Israelis to voluntarily sign up for vaccinations? An experimental vaccine? Information from the media about side effects and "mysterious" deaths of chronically vaccinated patients? Fear of punitive measures by the state for the unvaccinated? I understand that this will be a subjective evaluative opinion, but still ...
                  2. +2
                    3 August 2021 23: 25
                    Quote: Perforator
                    Marvelous are your deeds, Lord!

                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    Marvelous are your deeds, Lord!

                    Total: with practically the same injections (both for the vaccine and for the actions of the authorities), in Israel there is free, democratic vaccination and the government's concern for the people, and in Russia "a totalitarian and dictatorial state forces its citizens to inject untested drugs." And even with special cynicism - free of charge. Very familiar. "It's completely different" (c). Yes
                    Just in case, for the gifted, I'll write that this is sarcasm.

                    PS I wish you all good health. And there, there will be time, we will discuss ...
                    1. -1
                      4 August 2021 10: 36
                      Quote: region58
                      Total: with practically the same injections (both for the vaccine and for the actions of the authorities)

                      region58 - straight to the point! "There" is democratic coercion, and "here" is dictatorial!
                      Liberal protests are like this: very selective! Among domestic modern "rebels", one and the same action or phenomenon causes protest in Russia and causes fair support and approval if it occurs in other countries. One gets the impression that most of them "rebel" purely out of principle - it doesn't matter against whom or against whom. The main thing: "Baba Yaga is against!"
                      It's trendy, it's cool and it's hype.
                      PS: I noticed one peculiarity - there is massive propaganda against vaccination in social networks and all kinds of forums. With the help of quotes from "the son of a neighbor of a professor of virology", an intensive care physician and other very smart people who reason about the causes and consequences. They actively talk about the dangers of vaccination, about malicious intent, and "they stole everything again!" And - which is very important! - all this happens only in Russia. But "there" - nooo! There, a priori, everything is different! There, lockdowns are introduced democratically. And restaurants with cafes go bankrupt happily. And compulsory vaccination "there" is not "here" at all! There she is .... well ... as if ... Well, just like "here" the rally was bloodyly dispersed, and "there" with calm, peaceful rubber bullets, they persuaded the protesters to disperse to their homes ...
                      Miracles!
                  3. -1
                    4 August 2021 06: 11
                    Quote: Perforator
                    Well? How do the people of Israel, for the most part, relate to this state of affairs?

                    the bulk of them trust, there are those who do not trust - people are different
                    Quote: Perforator
                    How does he assess the actions of his government?

                    In Israel, the people are always dissatisfied with the actions of the government. Always and a priori. scolding the government is a * rule * that everyone adheres to, the media in the first place.
                    My opinion is that they squander the loot on things that are dubious from the point of view of the final result. As an example, for 1.5 years, a huge number of people are paid unemployment benefits - equal to the salary, and sometimes even higher. (maybe the same tourism industry is practically paralyzed) - while the bulk of these types of unemployed work well for cash.
                    My mother (a retired woman), who is 75 years old and who continued to work half-time (well, she is such a workaholic and cannot be without work) receiving 800 bucks a month, being sent to unemployment due to the crown, continues to receive benefits from the state for 1400 bucks. Why the hell should she get more money while sitting at home than she worked? And there are thousands of them. Where is the logic ? I do not know .
                    Quote: Perforator
                    , refuse to be vaccinated en masse,

                    massively - definitely not.
                    Quote: Perforator
                    looking for ways to buy a certificate ... huh?

                    the orthodox were involved in this. But it turned out to be more expensive. And in general - everything is in the database and the certificate is displayed through the application on the phone. Fake is not real. Ministry of Health data in cloud services.
                    Quote: Perforator
                    The government and the state of Israel decided to conduct an experiment - to test a new vaccine for the third (!!!) time in a row, and the Israelis are happy about it! Wonderful are your works, O Lord!

                    government ? to experience? What are you talking about ? Fuck him (the government) - is it necessary?
                    The problem is that the preservation of human life in Israel is a top priority and what the government is most afraid of (not only in this - in all) is the accusation that by their inaction or, on the contrary, by their actions, they * killed * people.
                    Therefore, all this crap, squandering it is not clear where the ball was (the same ventilators were purchased so much that then they did not know what to do with them), and so on and so forth.
                    1. -2
                      4 August 2021 10: 15
                      Quote: atalef
                      massively - definitely not.

                      Dear atalef, why not? People who do not understand what PROBLEMS they will have from this vaccination? Do they not understand that taxpayers' money is spent on the vaccine and all this orgy with the vaccine is not a concern of the state, but banal stuffing the pockets of "especially close to ..."? No? Do not understand? It's all strange ...
                      Read the comments for this article. See? We, in Russia, understood this immediately! Literally straight from the first days! And now they are massively boycotting and passively protesting ... Because they immediately unraveled the insidious plan ...
                      If possible, atalef, pass on all the information that you get here to your friends, colleagues and relatives - people should know the TRUTH about the vaccine and the virus! Distribute, inform! Many people here will support you there!
                      PS: Dear atalef, but seriously: I hope you understand my sarcasm!
                      1. 0
                        4 August 2021 14: 30
                        Quote: Perforator
                        Dear atalef, why not? People who do not understand what PROBLEMS they will have from this vaccination?

                        apparently sure that without this problem there will be more
                        Quote: Perforator
                        They don’t understand that taxpayers' money is being spent on the vaccine and this whole orgy with the vaccine is not a concern of the state, but banal stuffing the pockets of those who are especially close to.

                        I'm not sure about this, because I don't see the logic.
                        in any case, our authorities were not noticed in such behavior. I'm not saying that we have no thieves. but not in that amount.
                        Quote: Perforator
                        Read the comments for this article. See? We, in Russia, understood this immediately! Literally straight from the first days! And now they are massively boycotting and passively protesting ... Because they immediately unraveled the insidious plan ...

                        Your problem is that you do not trust the authorities, they trust us.
                        You see. scold. but they do, and in general I would say. That I basically trust the same.
                        Although they are all k.o.z.ly. laughing
                        Quote: Perforator
                        If possible, atalef, pass on all the information that you get here to your friends, colleagues and relatives - people should know the TRUTH about the vaccine and the virus!

                        well, here you definitely won't find out the truth, and we have enough information both for - and against - everyone chooses what is closer to him
                        Quote: Perforator
                        PS: Dear atalef, but seriously: I hope you understand my sarcasm!

                        Yes
                    2. +1
                      4 August 2021 16: 22
                      Quote: atalef
                      In Israel, the people are always dissatisfied with the actions of the government. Always and a priori.

                      Well, that's okay, it's like that everywhere.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Your problem is that you do not trust the authorities, they trust us.

                      Yes, it is. But the situation "I will not get vaccinated because the power is like that" is more abrupt than "to spite my grandmother, I will freeze my ears." This is the paradox. By the way, how do you feel about active anti-vaccines, and are there any at all?
                      1. -1
                        4 August 2021 17: 38
                        Quote: region58
                        By the way, how do you feel about active anti-vaccines, and are there any at all?

                        Of course there are and regular demonstrations.
                        They do not relate in any way - this is a personal matter of everyone, they do a check for the crown every 3 days, only then they are allowed to work, and the ITD - who can force them, housewives, unemployed, my neighbor, a pensioner, said that he would not do - he was afraid, well, he was afraid and afraid, his right.
                      2. +1
                        4 August 2021 21: 26
                        Quote: atalef
                        everyone's personal business, they do a check for the crown every 3 days, only then they are allowed to work

                        Reasonable. Yes As a result, I think everyone chooses an alternative option - to get vaccinated.
                2. +4
                  4 August 2021 00: 05
                  There is no need to "whip" for the "bulk of the population of Russia." The main one is how much? These are "professional Protestants."
        2. +3
          4 August 2021 00: 02
          No need to meddle in your own business. They have taken root in themselves, but here you are holding a meeting against. I will accept your point of view when I see your protest against vaccination in Israel.
    5. -1
      4 August 2021 05: 55
      Quote: Boris55
      The anti-vaccinators are deepening this pit with their deaths.
      This weakens our state and I don’t like it.


      Well, all the same (I think) it is worth taking care of more prosaic topics - mortality on the roads, alcoholism, improving the quality of medicine, living standards, support for motherhood - anti-vaccines are exactly among the reasons for the demographic hole and population decline are in the last place in this list.
  22. +8
    3 August 2021 08: 02
    If a shepherd's herd is decreasing, then ... One year is an accident, two is a coincidence, three or more is a system.
    The indigenous population of the country has been shrinking for more than 20 years .. Nobody wants anything good for me and my family, this is an axiom that has been proven for decades. Fear is a natural state to which you have to get used to since childhood. Otherwise, fear will always be blackmailing. Every adult and sane person makes a decision for himself and bears responsibility for himself. Vaccination is a technology, just like "hardware" (only the risks are higher) and you will have to figure it out. As taught .. but it is long and expensive. If you do not have enough education or opportunities, you will get what they give or refuse. And that's all.
    And most importantly, you can't trust anyone.
  23. +8
    3 August 2021 08: 14
    Personally, I agree with the opinion of Kirill Zverev, a representative of the oldest dynasty of Russian virologists, the son of Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences Vitaly Zverev, scientific director of the I.I. Mechnikov ”, head of the Department of Microbiology, Virology, Sechenov University, who is not enthusiastic about the“ Gunzburg vaccine ”.

    ...
    MAIN THING (in principle, the first four points could not have been written). I was ill and quite hard. I am immune to this disease. Simultaneously to all "strains". Whether Indian or Galapagos. Therefore, I cannot infect and cannot infect myself. I am immunized and safe.

    However, the vaccine can harm me:

    The main evil and nonsense that “experts” carry from the boxes is “out of antibodies = out of the immune response”. With such knowledge in immunology, you can go advertise some Banana-flavored Immunele.

    If immunity worked in this way, people would have died out in the Stone Age. In addition to humoral immunity (antibodies), we have cellular immunity. We have immune system memory cells that remember the "pest". And they are alive even when the antibody titer has dropped to zero. But when a person is again faced with a threat, antibodies AGAIN are produced in the body. Nobody knows how long cellular immunity lasts in our case, but for sure more than a year. And this is confirmed by analyzes.

    The above-described delirium gives rise to even greater delirium - "Those who have been ill should be vaccinated." What happens if the antigen (virus protein) enters the body that has acquired immunity? Going back to the paragraph above…. Right! The immune system will not figure out whether the vaccine is or is it a real virus again. She sees the antigen and turns on the defense. In the best case, the body will simply "kill" the contents of the bubble. At worst ... but who knows exactly how painless this process will be? Plus, there are other antigens as well. Live adenovirus, for example.
    The parade of delirium continues the expression - "the vaccine gives a stronger immunity than the disease itself." If so, then the Nobel Prize in all nominations, and at the same time the Lomonosov medal, Grammy, Oscar and the Golden Gramophone are in the pocket of the developers of such a vaccine. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN!


    Which is easier: remember a person by their eyes or as a whole? It's the same here. In case of illness, the immune system remembers the virus at once with its entire structure. Memory for many antigens is formed. And in the vaccine - only a small part of the structure of the virus. It may not even form cellular immunity.

    And a bonus: why vaccinate children? They get sick (show symptoms) very rarely, for statistics - almost never and more often easily. In principle, the answer works differently for them. They are our living immune layer.
    In general, the children who should be the first to receive the experimental dose of the Fore kids vaccine are the children and grandchildren of the developers. This is medical etiquette. We will see.
    ....
    A vaccine is not an Aspirinka. It is not grinded by the liver in a day and spit out by the kidneys. The vaccine is made so that its effect is as long as possible. Desirable for life. Like a tattoo. And you need to fill it with good ink, not mashed potatoes. Therefore, before giving yourself an injection, you must be sure of its absolute safety for yourself. This is a very serious step. There should be no general vaccination! All people are different. Someone can, someone needs it, but someone can’t categorically. There are such sciences - Virology, Immunology and Vaccinology. They are the answer, not the slogans.

    And for some, it is easy and not necessary to get the Covid vaccine. To me, for example. The virus has already personally "grafted" me. Everyone has their own life.
    1. +3
      3 August 2021 10: 01
      I personally agree with the opinion of Kirill Zverev, a representative of the oldest dynasty of Russian virologists

      Does he have answers to the following questions:
      1. Why do people with covid disease get sick again? They are personally "vaccinated" with the virus.
      2. Why do they get the flu every year? Where does cellular immunity go?
      1. -1
        3 August 2021 10: 12
        Why do people with covid disease get sick again? They are personally "vaccinated" with the virus.

        I will answer myself-

        Repeated cases of COVID-19 are being reported worldwide. This is a proven fact. But there are far fewer of them than many think, the researchers note, adding that rapidly spreading new strains of the virus, first discovered in Britain, Brazil, India and South Africa, add to the risk of re-infection.

        1. How many people have been re-infected with COVID-19?
        Dutch news agency BNO New counts suspected and confirmed re-cases of COVID-19 around the world. There were 72 of them - as of mid-April 2021. By comparison, the total number of confirmed "first" cases of COVID-19 exceeds 143 million.

        Basically, re-infections are detected in people with obvious symptoms of covid, experts say, but there may be asymptomatic covid-2s that are not detected.

        Scientists in Denmark have conducted a large-scale analysis of the results of repeated tests for coronavirus among about 4 million people in the country. The study was published in the Lancet on March 17.

        0,65% of people who tested positive for coronavirus during the first outbreak of COVID-19 in Denmark tested positive again during the second wave.

        "The data are consistent with studies in the UK, Qatar and the US, which reported that re-infection occurs in less than 1% of cases," the researchers concluded.


        And we are forced to vaccinate those who have been ill. Visitors are allowed to all countries based on the results of PCR or vaccinated or with a certificate that they have been ill. And 1% are people with reduced immunity, possibly HIV-infected, the percentage is similar.

        And they tell us that those who have been ill do not have immunity and they need to be vaccinated.

        I will add
        "I definitely have not seen in our hospital a single patient who already had a covid, confirmed by computed tomography or laboratory diagnostics, and who would get sick a second time," says Sergey Tsarenko, deputy chief physician of City Clinical Hospital No. 52 in Moscow, resuscitator ... There are patients whose neighbor or wife was sick, and they themselves had fever for several days - but did not do tests and did not check for antibodies, or checked, and they were not there. "There are many such people, but there is no certainty here - it could have been any other ARVI," Tsarenko explains. And there are patients who in the past had a "mild clinical picture" and sometimes a positive PCR test and "some kind of antibody response that then disappeared." "Probably, they can be considered as re-ill. But since there was no one hundred percent diagnosis of the first disease, we cannot say that this is a re-covid. And this is not massive in our country," the doctor says.


        And where did you get the idea of ​​re-infection? From the first channel?
        1. 0
          3 August 2021 19: 01
          Quote: Konnick
          And where did you get the idea of ​​re-infection? From the first channel?

          Quote: Konnick
          There were 72 of them - as of mid-April 2021

          I don't want to upset you, but the fact of re-infection is happening.
          Your information is for April 2021, and it was YES at the time.
          And today is August.
          In May-June in Israel 2-3 people were infected per day.
          And they began to fly to all ends of the world and dragged the Indian stamp (DELTA)
          And re-infection began.
          Scientists have explained it this way.
          Israel was the first in the world to begin intensive vaccination of the elderly in January 2021, and by today antibodies have dropped sharply, for the usual coronavirus this is enough, and the "delta" breaks through weak areas and infection occurs. About 2000-2500 people fall ill in Israel every day
          Currently, 22345 people are infected.
          During the day, 15 COVID-19 patients died.
          Over the past day, 113723 tests have been carried out. In 3,78% of cases, coronavirus was detected.
          419 sick in hospitals, 36 recover in special hotels, the rest at home. The condition of 221 patients is assessed by doctors as serious, 51 of them are in critical condition, 46 are connected to ventilators or ECMO
          This wave is very contagious, but less severe and mostly age 60+. That's why they started the third vaccination.
          Does not deceive himself and others.
          TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, THE SAVED GOD TAKES CARE!
    2. +1
      3 August 2021 10: 36
      Quote: Konnick
      Personally, I agree with the opinion of Kirill Zverev, a representative of the oldest dynasty of Russian virologists, the son of Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences Vitaly Zverev, scientific director of the I.I. Mechnikov ”, head of the Department of Microbiology, Virology, Sechenov University, who is not enthusiastic about the“ Gunzburg vaccine ”.

      Excellent! Respect! hi
  24. +1
    3 August 2021 08: 14
    And how is it going with us?

    Yes, just like "them". hi
    The other day I came across a video from Germany and was slightly ... "stunned". belay Everything is like a carbon copy. If it were not for the names of parties and newspapers, I would have thought that the conversation is about the Russian Federation.
    If it is interesting, then here is:
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5bd6bcf3844db800aa5b6ac0/sensaciia-nemeckie-smi-otkryto-zasomnevalis-v-effektivnosti-karantinov-i-ogranichenii-60bb448761893124cb917b70
    After the video, a bad thought crept in. Who rules us all? Is it not WHO, but in the field, so, performers?
  25. +1
    3 August 2021 08: 20
    Quote: Konnick
    The main thing is belief in a vaccine, believe me, get vaccinated, but only after being tested by doctors and tests for covid, otherwise one can overlap with antibodies. But do not believe, do not get vaccinated, the main thing is not to be afraid and not to be depressed in front of covid, all diseases are from nerves ...

    It's easier to get vaccinated and not get sick than to bend over with a vegetable in intensive care. Yes, up to 2% of vaccinated people fall ill due to individual characteristics, or if the immunity did not have time to fully form, but they do not go to intensive care
    1. +3
      3 August 2021 10: 03
      Yes, up to 2% of vaccinated people fall ill due to individual characteristics, or if the immunity did not have time to fully form, but they do not go to intensive care

      A friend works in a hospital. The entire ward is packed with vaccinated people, they are seriously ill, including dying. Believe it or not, the case in the Krasnodar Territory, when the whole family died after vaccination, has already become public. And how many such cases have not been made public?
      1. 0
        3 August 2021 10: 08
        Quote: glory1974
        Yes, up to 2% of vaccinated people fall ill due to individual characteristics, or if the immunity did not have time to fully form, but they do not go to intensive care

        A friend works in a hospital. The entire ward is packed with vaccinated people, they are seriously ill, including dying. Believe it or not, the case in the Krasnodar Territory, when the whole family died after vaccination, has already become public. And how many such cases have not been made public?

        Your friend either exaggerates or does not exist, you repeat other people's horror stories. In Krasnodar, not the whole family died, but three, all the elderly fell ill with covid during a period when immunity was not formed. Full immunity is formed by 42 days.
        The Washington Post published excerpts from an internal government document on the development of the coronavirus epidemic. The main thing in the document is the recognition that the delta strain can actually be considered a new virus. wearing masks: they must again be worn by everyone, including those vaccinated. ... that vaccines are not as effective for immunocompromised patients and nursing home residents. This means that these categories of people will have to receive revaccination as a priority.
        sad
        1. +1
          3 August 2021 10: 41
          Plus, the dead from Krasnodar were one diabetic, the other was generally on dialysis ... Why did we go to Moscow for a vaccination ... And somehow I can't believe that if they said that they say I have diabetes in a serious form, and the other one too all hard they would still be injected. My father was 96, she has diabetes, but without injections and so on, she was refused to be vaccinated precisely because of diabetes ... She died at 97, the kingdom of heaven, though from another
          1. +2
            3 August 2021 14: 42
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            Plus, the dead from Krasnodar were one diabetic, the other was generally on dialysis ... Why did we go to Moscow for a vaccination ... And somehow I can't believe that if they said that I had diabetes in a serious form, and the other also everything is hard, they would still be injected

            They are the first at risk.
            39-year-old casino worker in Las Vegas, Nevada, Michael Freedy (Michael Freedy) postponed vaccinations and died of the new coronavirus infection. 34-year-old football coach and staunch opponent of vaccinations from Bradford, West Yorkshire, England, died of coronavirus ... Shortly before his death, he regretted not being vaccinated, but it was too late.

            In men and women, covid 19 can begin in different ways (!!!) So, in men, covid often begins with shortness of breath, loss of strength, severe chills. And in women - with a loss of smell, chest pain and obsessive cough
        2. 0
          5 August 2021 08: 57
          In Krasnodar, not the whole family died, but three, all the elderly fell ill with covid during a period when immunity was not formed. Full immunity is formed by 42 days.


          Here I will correct you. They were injected with EpiVacKorona about the formation of immunity from which, in fact, nothing is known, and independent studies have shown that after vaccination, neutralizing antibodies do not appear in the body. This is the most turbid vaccine in the Russian Federation and is accused of not forming immunity at all.
      2. +4
        4 August 2021 00: 07
        Once again, read for the chronic illnesses of members of this family.
  26. +4
    3 August 2021 08: 30
    True, I don't go to football and rallies "for" either.
    And you don't really look like football, limits, limits, all around there are only limits.
    1. +2
      3 August 2021 10: 38
      And apparently he goes to rallies against, if he did not mention this
  27. 0
    3 August 2021 08: 32
    Being determines consciousness.
    If your social circle is very small, then you have few sources of information.
    And you have few statistics.
    And so your conclusions: "you need to wait, no one is sick" ...
    My situation is different.
    In my division there are approximately 670-700 drivers working to ensure the security of strategic public infrastructure facilities.
    Each driver during the shift contacts 2-3 employees of the "customer".
    Accordingly, the daily coverage is thousands of people.
    So.
    If one of the employees himself, or the customer himself, or in the family of the driver or customer, someone fell ill, then it is hard - to quarantine and remove all "contact" from work.
    People have died and are dying.
    Many, indeed many, deaths in the families of employees.
    In the Urals and Western Siberia, it was much more. And the maximum was in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District ...
    Therefore, almost the entire office staff, which was associated with communication with drivers, was instilled in the very first opportunity. In February.
    Even through all possible bribes, just as quickly as possible.

    And office plankton, such as personnel officers, accounting - they refused.
    Referring to the lack of verification of vaccines, chipping, billions of dollars in earnings and other "arguments" of anti-vaccines ...

    That's the only difference.
    To summarize.
    If you know how and how many people get sick, then you yourself are vaccinated. And fast.
    And if you don't know the reality, then you write articles "I'll wait" ...
  28. +1
    3 August 2021 08: 37
    What the authorities have organized in Moscow (and as a carbon copy throughout the country) cannot be called smart and logical. And plus "we will fine, we will imprison, we will fine, we will fine, we will fine." Interesting method only whip against the backdrop of frankly stupid "events" that simply left thousands of people unemployed.

    Well, in Moscow there is also "gingerbread"they were handed out, namely, a drawing of cars among those vaccinated. And even someone won. But among the rest of the inhabitants of the country this did not happen. request
  29. +4
    3 August 2021 08: 45
    Thanks to the dear Roman Skomorokhov who mentioned my story to him in his article.

    I have already said somewhere that by May of this year Israel had completely defeated the covid. For this, two lockdowns of varying degrees of ferocity and a general vaccination were carried out. For a whole month, the number of new cases was counted in units, the covid departments of hospitals were closed, people stopped dying. The mask mode was canceled in June. They opened everything and everyone everywhere ...
    After the air traffic opened and everything started from the beginning. Tourists, businessmen and other active peacemakers brought new mutations of the virus to us.
    Judging by the published official data, a total of 878931 infected have been identified in the country since the beginning of the pandemic (+2441 since midnight).

    At the same time, 20437 (+1559 since midnight) people are currently infected.

    6486 (+9 since midnight) COVID-19 cases have died.

    During the day, 72269 tests were carried out. In 2,96% of cases, coronavirus was detected.

    387 sick in hospitals, 36 recover in special hotels, the rest at home. The condition of 217 patients is assessed by doctors as serious, 48 ​​of them are in critical condition, 43 are connected to ventilators or ECMOs.

    The index of infectiousness (the index of the reproduction of the virus, showing how many people, on average, one infected person transmits it) is currently 1,36.
    1. +1
      3 August 2021 09: 58
      I just received an invitation from the clinic for the third vaccination Pfizer 05.08. (I made the first two in January.)

      By the way, out of almost 6,5 thousand people who died in our country, three were familiar to me personally. One, a very old 92-year-old man, was vaccinated with the first vaccination, the second one - a complete nonsense of 32 years old, and another one, who remained 8 years ago with one lung due to cancer - 56 years old, was not vaccinated. Of the people I know and know, no one has had any complications from vaccinations.
      1. 0
        3 August 2021 10: 33
        Hmm, and the third will be followed by INVITATIONS for the fourth, fifth, sixth ... (if, of course, health allows)
        1. +3
          3 August 2021 10: 58
          Quote: flicker
          Hmm, and the third will be followed by INVITATIONS for the fourth, fifth, sixth ... (if, of course, health allows)

          Quite right. Thus, the State shows its concern for me.
          1. -3
            3 August 2021 11: 52
            Yes, but it seems that Orthodox Jews do not really welcome this concern.
            1. +2
              3 August 2021 12: 35
              Quote: flicker
              Yes, but it seems that Orthodox Jews do not really welcome this concern.

              We are not talking about greeting or not greeting. A number of currents in the orthodox sector are fatalists. Like, everything is in the hands of the G-dod ...
              However, when they began to die there one after another, they quickly changed their minds and were vaccinated and comply with all the instructions of the Ministry of Health.
              There are, probably, some super-repeating ones, well, you can't persuade everyone. Someone will get sick, someone will bend, someone will carry. There are such people both among the Arabs and among the secular people.
      2. +1
        3 August 2021 13: 04
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Just got an invitation from the clinic for the third vaccination

        The same received an invitation to the third, decided to wait until 20/8, I want to see the reaction of 100 thousand, the first.
  30. -3
    3 August 2021 09: 04
    Nil Afonsky wrote: “People, having become so crafty in their souls, and will be belittled in body, will be 1 and 3/4 arshins * height, we say: five spans ** human body length (from 88,9 to 124,5 cm). By the deeds of their slyness, these people will surpass the demons and will be one spirit with the demons. Why will they become midgets?
    African cannibals are pygmies. One meter tall with a cap. Cannibalism leads to disease and degeneration of the species.
    To increase the fat content of milk, the British fed cows with cow bone meal. Got rabies. What will people get if they get vaccinated with vaccines containing the line HEK 293 (Human Embryonic Kidney 293; Human Embryonic Kidney 293) and consume food with supplements containing this line? ALL vaccines contain this line and even Russian ones.
    In the US, McDonald's restaurant chain is accused of using fillers made from worm meat (meat made from worms). Now inspectors have allegedly found human and horse meat in the freezers of a McDonald's factory in Oklahoma City.
    The consumer does not even know that when buying Nescafe instant coffee, Nesquick cocoa, Maggie seasoning, baby food or other Nestlé brand products, he is receiving a product with the addition of "human flesh".
    Good luck, vaccinated vaccine practitioners and consumers of Western treats! Your children and grandchildren will be XNUMX meter tall wicked people with a cap.
    Note. * 1 arshin = 71,12 cm.
    ** 1 inch = 17.78 cm.
    Any vaccine against covid is a genetically engineered high-tech product. It contains proteins of messenger RNA (Western) or DNA (Russian). These agents integrate into the human genome, change it, modify it, edit it. At this point, a Christian who is responsible for his salvation must stop. We all know very well what GMO foods are. And what is a GMO person or a person with a genetically edited genome? hi
    1. +3
      3 August 2021 10: 36
      Have you read so many smart words on the Internet, or have a virologist, immunologist, geneticist themselves, or at least a doctor or a biologist?
    2. +4
      3 August 2021 12: 30
      These agents integrate into the human genome, change it, modify it, edit it.


      Exactly! I started listening to the Internet for free, at 5G speed. Only William Gates annoys and constantly whispers in his ear.
      Nothing at all, but his nasty American accent, combined with the persuasion to use Edge, was utterly annoying. Tomorrow I will cut off my right ear and start drawing sunflowers.
  31. -3
    3 August 2021 09: 05
    Hello, everybody!
    So, let's begin:
    1. When I went to get vaccinated, yes, I signed TWO documents, but none of them contained a clause "in which he refuses all possible consequences until the end of his life" ... lying!
    2. when my wife went to be vaccinated, she was not allowed, because the last tests that she took HALF YEAR before that were bad, she was sent for examination ...
    3. You write that the vaccine has not passed all stages of testing, I have a question for you, are you an expert in this? or like many you read everything on the internet, and there, I hope many will agree with me, 95% of lies. And when to test !? when will everyone either die or get sick from the effects of COVID?
    4. Author, if you do not want to be vaccinated, then do not vaccinate, this is YOUR right, but why tell everyone that you are one smart, and the rest, as you put it, "oil". You, in your own words, which are not really confirmed by anything, only by your assumptions, undermine faith not only in the vaccine, but also in the state as a whole.
    PS I also do not like how vaccination is going on, how it is presented, but I have been ill with covid and I know what it is - I will not wish it to the enemy. Therefore, I was vaccinated, and I feel fine, there were no complications after the vaccine. And what you came up with is just YOUR conjectures!
  32. mvg
    +2
    3 August 2021 09: 21
    One of the few articles where I agree with the author. I am speaking on behalf of a person who worked for some time in the Central District Hospital and saw all this with his own eyes, including the "red" zone and his sick close relatives.
    If it is possible to spoil something good, then we will do it.
  33. +1
    3 August 2021 09: 30
    The first sensible article about covid is here. Everything is written correctly, there is nothing to complain about. Everything is done for the sake of money. Forget about fairness and caring with the current government. They need money. Much money. As much money as possible.
  34. +3
    3 August 2021 09: 37
    State meanness is commonplace. Our state has been like this for a long time, no one expects from it honesty, truth and care. Thank you for helping with bankruptcies and collectors, and even then, clearly fearing a real riot. They began to find collectors in dirty ditches without the slightest signs of life ...
    But all these wild, and even outlandish inconsistencies do not go into any gate. Once again I will not chew all this, but the whole complex of delirium does not fit either greed, or the obvious stupidity and inability to govern the country in any way effectively. Yes, our leaders are wandering around the Kremlin, with an important look and puffed-out cheeks, they say they are statesmen and everyone has a Plan, but in reality none of them, except apparently Putin, Lavrov and Shoigu, has the slightest idea how to fulfill their direct responsibilities. So they steal what they can, organize thieves' schemes for their accomplices and ... that's all. Well, they're still struggling to pose in front of others who look like they know what they're doing.
    But, again, with vaccinations and covid, everything goes far beyond meanness, stupidity and incompetence. I have no real ideas. Ended up. I cannot find anything logical and correct. So there are a couple of fun mental exercises.
    First. Are we not waiting for the arrival of aliens?) Well, someone told the world authorities that in a year or so the alpha centaurs would arrive. And everyone must be pricked in order to organize a planetary immunity from alien cholera. Otherwise, it will come out as with the natives of Oceania, who were dying out from our runny nose with whole islands.
    Second. As Conan Doyle once wrote, our planetary system is like a bottle cork floating in the ocean. And the inhabitants of this cork think that the trickle of water on which the cork is floating now is the entire Universe. However, at any moment, the cork can be brought from the warm waters of the Gulf Stream to icebergs, for example. The heat-loving inhabitants of the traffic jam will not like this at the root ...
    Maybe they are waiting there for a change in conditions? For example, the appearance of magic as a real force. Obviously, a large number of strong-willed operators, that is, magicians, will end in such a war for the planet that a nuclear winter will seem like a light freeze. And it is necessary in advance to deprive as many people as possible of the chances of gaining strength in order to reduce the risk of total annihilation.
    Or is it Occam's Razor? And everything is explained not by ordinary stupidity, but by the transcendental, huge as the ocean? I will not be surprised at this either ...
    1. +1
      3 August 2021 16: 40
      Quote: Mikhail3
      State meanness is commonplace. Our state has been like this for a long time, no one expects from it honesty, truth and care.

      Mikhail, forgive me for the immodest question, but where is it for you?
      Simply in the usual sense, the term "state" is not something so abstract, but also the citizens living in this state, including. For me, for example, it looks like this: "The state is you yourself. If you want to live in a normal state, start with yourself." How do you like that, huh? Idyll? Well, yes, there is not much ... But if everyone and everyone would think about it, and before "solving the issue quickly", go around the traffic jam on the side of the road, pushing everyone, make excuses "I just ask", negotiate with a familiar uncle so no problem ... Ehhh !!

      Quote: Mikhail3
      But, again, with vaccinations and covid, everything goes far beyond meanness, stupidity and incompetence ..

      And it is possible here in a little more detail - what do you have "there" with vaccinations and covid not like these: France, Germany, Italy, Israel?
      1. +1
        3 August 2021 22: 17
        Quote: Perforator
        "The state is you yourself. If you want to live in a normal state, start with yourself."

        I really like this wonderful idea. Tell me, where do I start from in myself, so that Roscosmos stops stealing if not into myself? What should I do with myself, what heights of spirit should I reach so that the round-the-clock advertising of brutality, theft and murder ceases on TV? And I carefully selected the most harmless topics.
        Wait a minute ... are you calling me to rebellion? Should I go out into the street and "demolish the rotten power"? So what? Aren't you afraid of the article? Do not be afraid in vain, for calls for revolution you can sit down hard, and rightly so. I lured this non-slaughter argument, really))
  35. -3
    3 August 2021 10: 08
    Yes, the author is right.
    And he speaks very carefully. How many.
    So as not to be blocked, arrested or a person does not come ..... nationality with a cut pipe in the entrance
  36. +1
    3 August 2021 10: 27
    To those who are grafted. I do not understand the source of your aggression, which you demonstrate towards those who have not yet done so, but sometimes it seems that some kind of insult gnaws at you.
    Yes, rather, anxiety gnaws at them, they do not have confidence in the correctness of the decision, and therefore any publications about the dangers of vaccination only increase this anxiety. Well, the fact of the increase in the number of vaccinated people somehow calms them down, they say, since we did a lot, they did the right thing.
    1. -1
      3 August 2021 13: 24
      Quote: flicker
      Well, the fact that the number of vaccinated people is growing somehow calms them down,

      Soothes, but in vain. If vaccinations cause side effects, then there will not be enough beds for everyone. On the principle of "do not put all your eggs in one basket" it would be wise to vaccinate the population 50/50, and after some time check the results. This is if there is a goal of saving the people. And what the state is doing is like a bet in a casino - all the money is on "red". And then believe and hope, as usual, at random and I suppose ...
      1. 0
        3 August 2021 15: 01
        Quote: Hyperion
        If vaccinations cause side effects

        And if they don't call? And what if the growth of the sick again and again for the fall-winter lockdown?
        Quote: Hyperion
        .. it would be wise to inoculate the population 50/50, and after some time check the results.

        WHO, Ministry of Health, Government, scientists - everyone is talking about 60% of the vaccine threshold. You're right.

        Quote: Hyperion
        And what the state does

        And what does the state do? There are less than 25% of those vaccinated in the country. Those who did not vaccinate abruptly became virologists and immunologists, and some became molecular biophysicists. And all - not lower than associate professors and candidates of science! Now all of them are discussing about and without .. So the state is trying to somehow enlighten - "Dear! You are not a virologist! You are a sales consultant! A very good seller! And to stay that way, go and get vaccinated. "

        And he does not sleep a virus - he does not care whether you are a professor or a turner.
    2. +2
      3 August 2021 14: 15
      I was grafted. Back in April, when they had not yet talked about the obligation, although some might have thought about it. I was instilled by personal conviction.
      And at the expense of "anxiety gnaws" or there are "publications about the dangers of the vaccine" - I will say this:
      Nikolay, to be honest for myself, tell you know the composition of the tetanus vaccine? And what about its side effects and contraindications? And when you were 16-18 years old, did you resist for a long time before you still got the tetanus vaccine? And yet, what would you choose now: still get a tetanus vaccine or take a risk and try to cure tetanus without vaccination? Oh, yes ... Most likely you do not remember this, but how do you feel about the fact that you were once vaccinated against polio?
      I understand that for you these will be naive questions and completely "off topic". The main thing here is sequence ...
      1. -1
        3 August 2021 14: 31
        You resisted for a long time before you got the tetanus vaccine?
        Vaccine vaccine strife.
        Any vaccine goes through several stages of testing, only in mice this test lasts 18 months (every 6 months, some mice are dissected and study changes in the body) and only then (testing on mice allows) they proceed to clinical trials in humans.
        I am not against vaccines as such, I am against coercion, all the more experimental, especially vaccines that have not gone through all the stages of study.
        ---
        Not a single vaccination was of such a frenzied nature, which, by the way, also makes you think.
        ---
        Who will refuse a vaccine if it brings health benefits?
        And if in doubt, why should I be vaccinated?
        Okay, I'm not a virologist, but
        doubts about vaccination were voiced by Luc Montagnier - unlike me, he is a virologist, one of the most authoritative in the world.
  37. +2
    3 August 2021 10: 27
    Quote: A. Privalov
    After the air traffic opened and everything started from the beginning. Tourists, businessmen and other active peacemakers brought new mutations of the virus to us.

    This is so, everything is just beginning.
    The Washington Post published excerpts from an internal government document on the development of the coronavirus epidemic. The main thing in the document is the recognition that the delta strain can actually be considered a new virus. wearing masks: they must again be worn by everyone, including those vaccinated. ... that vaccines are not as effective for immunocompromised patients and nursing home residents. This means that these categories of people will have to receive revaccination as a priority.
    1. 0
      3 August 2021 12: 43
      Quote: Balu
      This means that these categories of people will have to receive revaccination as a priority.

      Well, so they started it. Everyone over 60 years old who received the last vaccination more than five months ago and did not get sick are revaccinated. In just 10 days, they want to vaccinate 1,5 million people. Including me. good
  38. 0
    3 August 2021 10: 29
    When did Putin say that “I don’t remember what I was grafted into”? Another libel against our state. I collected everything and oil and pipes and syringes. What the channel has become, as I go in, I spit. Anti-Russian little articles through one. People! The state is the only protection of a person. If the state collapses, it will be bad first of all for an ordinary person. Drinking beer, the harm of which has been proven, is so normal. How to deliver the vaccine, so "WHAT I am, spoil my health, genetics, aesthetics!" Stop drinking swill and smoking mattresses, bring up children! Get vaccinated and be healthy!
    1. +5
      3 August 2021 11: 22
      "As drinking beer, the harm of which is proven, so normal."
      I once said to my friend in the same way: "Are you afraid of the side effects of vaccination? And the next time you drink alcohol, turn the bottle and read the labels about the" effects "...". The man became thoughtful ...
  39. 0
    3 August 2021 10: 32
    The problem is not worth a damn. Everyone has their own opinion on covid. We will all die. Alone in agony, choking on their masses under mechanical ventilation, surrounded by the same, Or surrounded by their loving relatives, a natural death. There is always a choice.
  40. +3
    3 August 2021 10: 33
    Quote: mat-vey
    Quote: Okolotochny
    By refusing to be vaccinated, you increase your risk of infecting another person. Moreover, the risk of death is high. Something like this.

    Unlike the rest of the world, do you have the results of completed research? If not, then decide for yourself, but do not blame others for anything and call them to actions that do not have clear and investigated consequences ..

    And give an example, whose vaccine has completely gone through all the stages, much research and so on? Almost everyone spoke at the same time, only there the state found an approach, but with us everything is as usual in a clumsy
    1. -4
      3 August 2021 11: 26
      "Almost all of them spoke at the same time, only there the state found an approach, but here everything is clumsy as usual."
      Wow! That's how it turns out! That is, in your opinion, it turns out that it does not matter for you whether there is any research there or not. Is the testing phase completed or not. What results were obtained there is not important. The main thing is WHAT THE STATE WOULD FIND AN APPROACH! Original ...
      1. +2
        3 August 2021 11: 56
        You did not understand my idea quite correctly, at the moment, all the vaccines that are in the world came out almost simultaneously and all are at about the same stage, I did not say that this is good, but since this is a fait accompli, then the state should approach this situation wisely
        1. -2
          3 August 2021 13: 12
          "... then the state should be smart about this situation" How's that? Explain how Russia's approach to vaccination of the population differs from the approach of France, Germany, Israel ...
          1. +1
            3 August 2021 22: 04
            It was necessary as in China - everyone to their homes for 4 weeks. And products only through home delivery.
  41. +1
    3 August 2021 10: 46
    "Constitution, or gays will come" and so on. The whole problem is that we are losing from election to election, only a completely blind or stupid person does not see the degradation of the political system, NATO soldiers and gays, it is true, did not come, but somehow it seems to me (it is necessary to be baptized ...) especially they were going to come. "(c)
    1. The play "first bread" in Sovremennik - LGBT propaganda
    2. Liya Akhidzhakova: "LGBT is not a disease, but another chromosome" (The Chinese, by the way, do not agree, this is a disease)
    3. The ECHR requires the legalization of same-sex marriage in the Russian Federation.
    4. Article by the rector at MGIMO

    5. "Wedding" of Kirkorov and Dava at the MUZTV ceremony, age 6+
    6. Transgender in Chekhov's play, director-husband Sobchak.
    7. Flags of LGBT people on the walls of the US embassies and shaved ones.
    8. Advertising in the grocery chain Vkusville with lesbians
    Roman, do you think this is different?
  42. +9
    3 August 2021 10: 47
    Briefly. In March, I was instilled with my wife .. At the graduation of my daughter in a restaurant, a parent was sitting next to her who looked cold. July 3, my wife’s birthday, bought her favorite perfume, she opened it and said it didn’t smell ... We ran to the hospital, my wife passed analyzes, we are waiting, all the rules, but she has no smell or taste .. And on the 6th we are at sea, as they say, it is consolidated)) On the 5th, she has a positive covid and then I lose my scent and fall with those temperatures .. Also positive, but then three days 3 37, then norms, only without taste and smell, and summer, heat and within 4 walls, late at night with a dog like partisans ... I just told, But, people who somehow influence the minds, views of others, and that's how the author, must think very well before saying or writing something, but I am silent about the power, there are unfortunately only a few who think there
  43. +1
    3 August 2021 11: 03
    The author has expressed everything that may be of interest. There is no point in stamping plagiarism.
    Cheers!
  44. -3
    3 August 2021 11: 19
    A terrible story about how, after vaccination in the Kolesnikov family from the Krasnodar Territory, the mother, grandmother and dad of the 6th grade student Arina Kolesnikova died one after the other, has already agitated Russia. They did not want to die, on the contrary - in order to get the forbidden !!!!!!!!! medical help for the unvaccinated, went to Moscow and gave injections, and a week later lay in the hospital and died, leaving the girl alone with her aunt ...

    Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of 9 December 1948 *
    ... to get the forbidden !!!!!!!!! for unvaccinated medical care ...
    Article II
    In this Convention, genocide means the following
    actions committed with intent to destroy, completely or
    partially, any national, ethnic, racial or
    a religious group as such:
    a) killing members of such a group;
    b) causing serious bodily harm or mental
    frustration to members of such a group;
    c) deliberate creation for any group of such
    living conditions that are designed for full or partial
    physical destruction of her;

    Article III
    The following acts are punishable:
    a) genocide;
    b) conspiracy to commit genocide;
    c) direct and public incitement to commit
    genocide;
    d) attempted genocide;
    e) complicity in genocide.

    Article IV
    Perpetrators of genocide or any other
    of the acts listed in Article III shall be punishable, irrespective of
    on whether they are constitutionally responsible
    rulers, officials or private individuals.

    Article I
    The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide independently
    on whether it is performed in peacetime or in wartime, is
    a crime that violates international law and
    against which they undertake to take preventive measures and
    punish for committing it.
    1. +1
      3 August 2021 23: 49
      Quote: Poschli
      in order to get the forbidden !!!!!!!!! for the unvaccinated medical aid

      What are you grinding that? Have you decided to get some hype? Have a conscience ...
  45. 0
    3 August 2021 11: 29
    "The harsh actions of the authorities were incomprehensible and could not be explained to the layman. At the same time, the administrative delight of the executive bureaucracy collided with a dense, illiterate, still medieval superstitious people. Against the background of a really frightening epidemic, this could not go quietly and smoothly. As a result, everything flashed. a pogrom explosion - a truly senseless and merciless revolt of the inhabitants frightened to hysteria. "
    Alexey Volynets. "How Russia survived the cholera epidemic and the general quarantine" ...

    One thing pleases - the townsfolk do not run around the streets with a pitchfork. They will bang something on the Internet, warm their own I and disperse. Until next article hi laughing
  46. -1
    3 August 2021 11: 33
    For some, the coronavirus pandemic is a tool to reformat the world order, for others it is an extremely lucrative commercial project.
    And given that most of our officials are inveterate businessmen, then we see - compulsory vaccination.
    ---
    The impression is that all this "coercion" is a process of preparing the ground for a mutiny.
    Surprisingly, coercion from the government (and our government is not homogeneous, i.e. the president is one part of the power line, and many government officials are another part of the power line) is supported by vaccinated patriots.
    So these "vaccinated patriots" (especially those forcibly vaccinated) will be the vanguard of the protest movement.
    ***
    Today, surprisingly patriots, those who supported the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, those who resisted the destructive forces in the spring of 2020, began to ardently support FORCED vaccination organized by the same forces, who supported the destruction in the spring of 2020, resisted the adoption of the amendments.
    ---
    Once again, the forced vaccination was organized by the same forces that organized the attack on the Russian government in the spring of 2020.
    ***
    Putin is not equal to Mishustin.
    ---
    Yes, Putin nominated Mishustin for the post of prime minister, but the latter was the result of an elite compromise.
    Further, Mishustin formed a government, in many respects in accordance with the interests of those forces that promoted him to this post.
    ---
    That is why we hear the president talking about VOLUNTARY vaccination, and the government, represented by Mishustin, Golikova, Popova, Murashko, carry out FORCED vaccination, which embitters the population.
    We get that one patriotic part of the population salutes compulsory vaccination, while the other patriotic part of the population is embittered.
    What is this for?
    Warming up the population for the protest movement? Should patriots fight patriots?
    ---
    Now publications from the United States and England are already beginning to appear that mass vaccination only aggravates the pandemic.
    And what will happen if by September the entire Internet begins to blaze from the number of publications denouncing vaccination?
    How will the compulsorily vaccinated people react to this?
    And if they start to publish materials not just about the uselessness of vaccination against new strains, but the dangers of vaccination.
    What will the compulsorily vaccinated people say then?
    ---
    Once again, vaccination should be exclusively VOLUNTARY, as the President has said more than once.
    And any coercion is connivance with the rebellion, and those who carry out coercion work for the collapse of Russia.
    1. +1
      3 August 2021 22: 01
      The concept of voluntariness should not in principle refer to vaccination against anything. Vaccination protection of society. If you remember it was in Soviet times such a concept - the highest measure of social protection. Vaccination should be mandatory for certain groups of people under certain conditions. The opinion of persons should not be taken into account. Medical contraindications may be considered.
      1. -1
        3 August 2021 23: 08
        Vaccination protection of society
        And how does it (vaccination) protect this society?
  47. +3
    3 August 2021 11: 34
    Quote:
    Vasya died of an overdose.
    But in order not to "finish off" the relatives, they told everyone that "from the vaccination" ..
    Almost did not deceive.
    He died from the injection.

    This is reality.
    Strongly distorted, but reality.
    Already passed into the form of an "Internet meme", but anti-vaccines are taken as "death from the vaccine" ...
  48. 0
    3 August 2021 12: 00
    The eternal opponent of Putin. Do not want to be vaccinated, do not be vaccinated. Why confuse others? I believe that everyone should gain life experience with their own mind, without such directives. And Mr. Skomorokhov offered and still offer to go to power, be elected and put his ideas into practice personally, and not criticizing everyone and everything. Many are not satisfied with Putin, or rather what he is turning into.
  49. 0
    3 August 2021 12: 23
    For the mutual responsibility of citizens to the state and - especially - the state to citizens.

    You couldn't say better.
  50. +3
    3 August 2021 12: 44
    Kovidobes are on fire, everything is in action,
    Just like a classic - horses, people mixed in a bunch ...

    Especially over this pearl he laughed for a long time, as the doctor himself says, and even the prophet in one bottle, you see, he got vaccinated = 100% will get sick in a mild form, and will not go to another world for the company with fellow citizens from Krasnodar, but if he didn’t get vaccinated = 100% die on mechanical ventilation.
    At least one side effect of vaccination with no analogues is already obvious))
    What kind of compote do you need to have in your head to write that?

    Quote: Boris55

    I was grafted. Those who are not vaccinated are their choice. What is the difference:
    - if I get sick, I will be treated at home on the couch;
    - if the unvaccinated person gets sick, he will be on mechanical ventilation (survival rate ~ 50%).
    Everyone decides for himself where to be - in this world or that.
    1. 0
      3 August 2021 18: 47
      Kovidobes are on fire, everything is in action
      The impression is that soon, those who have not been vaccinated, for various reasons, even in the absence of a vaccine, will be burned at the stake, activists will be vaccinated. laughing
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  53. +3
    3 August 2021 15: 09
    Эх... А я надеялся, что Роман ещё поговорит о Конституции, что напишет ещё одну методичку... Ан нет... Разочаровал...
  54. 0
    3 August 2021 15: 14
    Если бы от ковида была смертность как от чумы - мигом бы все привились. А так... болезнь новая, плохо изученная. А власти хватаются за любое средство как за панацею. Маски, перчатки, локдауны. Теперь вакцинация. А вирусу хоть бы хны. Мутирует себе и мутирует. Я вот вспоминаю шумиху вокруг СПИДа. Никуда ведь не делся. И вакцину не создали, хотя сорок лет прошло после его обнаружения. Но ведь живем же. И с коронавирусом жить научимся.
  55. +3
    3 August 2021 15: 36
    Вы оказались несколько доверчивы. Пр