Roscosmos and NASA will conduct a joint investigation of the incident with the Russian module "Science"

Roscosmos and NASA will jointly investigate the situation with the Russian module "Science" docked to the ISS yesterday, July 29. The investigation will be led by the Russian state corporation, said the head of the ISS program at NASA Joel Montalbano.

The International Space Station was not damaged, Moltanbano said, commenting on the incident with Russia's Nauka module. According to him, Russia will lead the investigation, which, according to the existing rules, will be conducted jointly by Roscosmos and NASA.

The Russian module "Science" docked to the ISS on Thursday, July 29, after eight days of flight. After docking, the module abnormally turned on the engines and turned the station around 45 degrees. To stabilize the ISS, the engines of the Russian Progress spacecraft and the Zvezda module had to be used. They managed to regain control over the station, and a special investigation will be carried out on this fact. It was preliminarily stated that the situation is related to the work with fuel residues in the module.

Later, the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter that everything is in order on board the ISS, the crew is resting.

Meanwhile, NASA has postponed the second test flight to the ISS of Boeing's CST-100 Starliner spacecraft. The Americans said that the postponement of the launch for August 3 is connected with the investigation of the situation with the Russian module "Science".

The "Science" module launched to the ISS on July 21 is intended not only for scientific work and research. It will also be used for orientation of the ISS, docking of ships and maintaining the station's life support system. In addition, there is a living single cabin in the module.

Comments

[Ros 56]

Mabut someone pressed the wrong button? It happens sometimes.

[knn54]

Life in orbit has ceased to be monotonous.
The "Science" flight into space was supposed to take place in 2007, but due to problems with the fuel system, the launch took place only recently.
Apparently, the problem was not completely resolved.

[Bashkirkhan]

Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter that everything is in order on board the ISS, the crew is resting

It seems they say that unauthorized engine start is not the first case in the history of the station.

[Civil]

I followed the whole epic of Science ... they did it for 26 years. For comparison, in 1971, just 26 years after the Victory, the USSR launched the world's first (!) Residential orbital station Salyut-1,
"the descent vehicle of the automatic interplanetary station" Mars-3 "made a soft landing on the surface of Mars" And also the Moon 18,19 ....
Sound familiar?
These can only parasitize on the victories of the USSR.

[slipped]

Quote: Civil

I followed the whole epic of Science ... they did it for 26 years.

MLM was made from 2007-2013. Then she was in storage. Retrofitted with new equipment from 2017-2020. Before that, it was an empty building of FGB-2.

Quote: Civil

For comparison, in 1971, just 26 years after the Victory, the USSR launched the world's first (!) Residential orbital station Salyut-1,

And what? How does this relate to the new science module? As soon as it became possible to launch it, they launched it and now it is part of the station.

Quote: Civil

These can only parasitize on the victories of the USSR.

You are stuck in the past. Ay, the USSR is long gone, and Russia is its successor.

[Yves762]

Quote: slipped

MLM was made from 2007-2013. Then she was in storage. Retrofitted with new equipment from 2017-2020. Before that, it was an empty building of FGB-2.

Nope. Not this way:
- Under the contract between Roscosmos and RSC Energia from 2006. MLM was to be launched in 2009. Those. already "finished" and "fully equipped", not an "empty enclosure". But the "flight product" was assembled only by 2012;
- In the process of that "storage", the jambs were actively corrected (though not "cosmetic" ones), they were finished and ... "modernized" (forgive God ... , for it is a shame to call it that, including the replacement of the one that has become obsolete "on the ground");
From these yours

As soon as it became possible to launch it, they launched it and now it is part of the station.

then it also does not work: they were not waiting for the weather by the sea.
Thought aside:

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Aren't you speculating.?.

Quote: slipped

Ay, the USSR is long gone, and Russia is its successor.

Yeah ... the RIGHT is the receiver, not the obligations (many of which are not).
And in general, the topic for the 91st referendum is not closed!

Quote: slipped

You are stuck in the past.

Huh? We use it as a landmark ( ), but you are actively clinging to it and apparently, therefore, yes, you are stuck. (we / you - here about "type", if that).

[Reviews]

"modernized" (sorry, God ... crying, because it's a shame to call it that, including the replacement of the outdated

Actually, this is the meaning of modernization. so, for reference ...

[slipped]

Quote: Yves762

Nope. Not this way

Really.

Quote: Yves762

- Under the contract between Roscosmos and RSC Energia from 2006. MLM was to be launched in 2009. Those. already "finished" and "fully equipped", not an "empty enclosure". But the "flight product" was assembled only by 2012;

In 2007, a decision was made to re-equip FGB-2 into MLM, but only in 2009 the process began. Made in 2013.

Quote: Yves762

- In the process of that "storage", the jambs were actively corrected (though not "cosmetic" ones), they were finished and ... "modernized" (forgive God ... , for it is a shame to call it that, including the replacement of the one that has become obsolete "on the ground");

During storage, he just lay in the corner under the film until 2017.

Quote: Yves762

From these yours

As soon as it became possible to launch it, they launched it and now it is part of the station.

then it also does not work: they were not waiting for the weather by the sea.

We were waiting for a decision on the ISS. In 2017, the ISS was decommissioned as planned.

Quote: Yves762

Yeah ... the RIGHT is the receiver, not the obligations (many of which are not).

Is the payment of all debts for all other republics rights or obligations?

Quote: Yves762

Huh? We use it as a landmark ( ),

Use a bronze age.

[Yves762]

Quote: slipped

Is the payment of all debts for all other republics rights or obligations?

Nope. It was a deflection under the "west" in order to remove questions about the private capital acquired from the collapse of the USSR.

Quote: slipped

Use a bronze age.

What for? In the "age of the Union" and electricity was conducted, and taught, healed, ... ect better.
By the way, not that right now.

The rest ... ... Google something ...

[slipped]

Quote: Yves762

Nope. It was a deflection under the "west" in order to remove questions about the private capital acquired from the collapse of the USSR.

Well then, give your repaid debt back to Russia.

Quote: Yves762

What for? In the "age of the Union" and electricity was conducted, and taught, healed, ... ect better.
By the way, not that right now.

Indeed, you are neither treated nor taught. In general, not like in Russia.

[Yves762]

Quote: slipped

Well then, give your repaid debt back to Russia.

They just took it from me (which is not happy about it), because I am Russian.

Quote: slipped

Indeed, you are neither treated nor taught. In general, not like in Russia

Not "not", but "better". Don't interpret me.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Civil

I followed the whole epic of Science ... they did it for 26 years.

Where does 26 years come from, if the laboratory, from the building of FGB-2, was decided to be made only in 2004?

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_In 1993, Russia and the United States entered into an agreement on the creation of a common station, and in 1995, our Center. MV Khrunicheva began to make the first module of the ISS - "Zarya" - ordered by the Americans. To be on the safe side, a backup for the Zarya module, FGB-2 (functional cargo module), was created in parallel, which was 80% ready by 1998. This was the future module "Science".
_In 1998, Zarya was successfully launched and became the first brick of the ISS. Russia has shifted all its attention from FGB-2 to its own Zvezda module. And the future "Science" was left to wait in the wings - her services were not needed yet. This is how the more than 20-year-old MLM "Science" epic began on Earth. ................
.... This module is comparable in size to the first blocks of the ISS, the largest: 13 meters in length and 4 meters in diameter, the volume of the pressurized compartments is 70 cubic meters. This is almost 40% of the volume of the current Russian module, which includes the Zvezda residential block, the Zarya functional cargo block, the Pirs and Rassvet docking and docking cargo modules, and the Poisk small research module. The volume of the latter is only 12,5 cubic meters - in such conditions it is necessary to conduct research work ............
..... In the early 2000s, it was decided that FGB-2 could be turned into a warehouse and even leased out space in it to the Americans. In the process of alteration, part of the equipment was dismantled, pipelines were cut down. Apparently, at that moment metal shavings got into the fuel system, because of which the module could completely remain on Earth.
_By 2004, the need for a warehouse has disappeared. They decided to convert the module into a laboratory for scientific experiments. The name "MLM" Science "has officially appeared. But the volume of alterations was such that they were completed only by 2012. ......
..... After another alteration of the module, it was checked and found metal shavings in the fuel system. Apparently, when cutting off excess tanks, small particles got inside the pipes. Foreign particles could disrupt the operation of the engines, which should work smoothly and smoothly. Small metal particles can interfere with fuel delivery and engine performance in general. Therefore, the pipelines were replaced whenever possible, the fuel system was flushed.
If the fuel system was flushed, it was difficult to remove metal shavings from the tanks. Inside the tanks there is an "accordion", which stretches when filling with fuel, and then contracts to give it to the engine. There were fears that the shavings might pierce the "accordion". We decided to use the motors only once, with this approach the chips should not cause problems ........
..... There are 14 URMs inside the module and 16 on its surface in total on "Science". That is, scientists can plan experiments not only at the station, but also outside, in conditions as close as possible to open space ...

..... What kind of science can you do on MLM?
_From the advanced scientific equipment, we note a multi-zone furnace for growing crystals from metal melts, thermostats for working with biological objects and a glove box.
_For example, a VAMPIR experiment is planned in a multi-zone furnace, in which crystals for infrared detectors will be grown. Typically high-precision detectors require expensive materials and liquid nitrogen cooling (temperature -196 degrees Celsius). But scientists hope that in zero gravity it will be possible to achieve the necessary homogeneity of the zinc, tellurium and cadmium melt, which will make it possible to grow crystals without defects in the crystal lattice. _Crystals will be obtained for sensitive but relatively inexpensive infrared detectors that can operate at room temperature without the need for a liquid nitrogen charge.
_A separate direction is to check the effect of radiation. In the Quail experiment, it is planned to breed Japanese quail chicks in the ISS, despite the weightlessness, temperature and radiation. A similar experiment on Mir ended in failure, it's time to improve. A closed cycle of fauna reproduction will be necessary in long-distance manned expeditions.
_And external URMs will allow you to test new substances as a lubricant - how they react to vacuum, space cold and radiation.

Conditions for astronauts
_ "Science" is one of the largest modules of the ISS. In addition to the scientific component, it offers more space for the life and work of astronauts. It houses the third berth, a toilet with a urine water recovery system and an oxygen regeneration system for 6 people.
_The new space will make it possible to add a third Russian cosmonaut to expeditions or bring a space tourist. In theory, the ideal would be to bring a scientist who could follow the experiment himself and quickly make changes to get the best result ...

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[Civil]

In 1995, by decision of the leadership of the State Research and Production Center named after V.I. Khrunichev, simultaneously with the creation of the Functional Cargo Block "Zarya" (the first module of the ISS), the creation of its backup in case of an unforeseen situation, FGB-2 (product 77KM No. 17502), began from its own funds.

from Soviet spare parts.

You are stuck in the past. laughing Ay, the USSR is long gone, and Russia is its successor.

You are stuck in the past by rolling the country back into feudalism.

[Bad_gr]

In 1995, by decision of the leadership of the State Research and Production Center named after V.I. Khrunichev, simultaneously with the creation of the Functional Cargo Block "Zarya" (the first module of the ISS), the creation of its backup in case of an unforeseen situation, FGB-2 (product 77KM No. 17502), began from its own funds.

Quote: Civil

from Soviet spare parts.

Well, if for you the backup of the Functional Cargo Block "Zarya" and the laboratory block "Science" are one and the same, then I have no more questions.

Quote: Civil

You are stuck in the past by rolling the country back into feudalism.

And what's this side?

[Bad_gr]

Module "Science": 13 meters long and 4 meters in diameter, the volume of sealed compartments is 70 cubic meters. Installed in place of the Pirs module, the internal space of which, in the photo:

PS

..... "Pirs", having served faithfully for 19 years 314 days for the national cosmonautics, burned down in the upper atmosphere. All unburned structural elements fell in the ocean, 3630 kilometers from the capital of New Zealand, on a site that is also called the cemetery of spaceships.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Civil

These can only parasitize on the victories of the USSR.

They can still declare from a high rostrum that the USSR did not produce anything, they themselves are selling off its last legacy.

[zenion]

lis-ik. How did it not produce anything? The USSR made the world's best galoshes for Africa. The topmost said and he does not like to joke! If anything, right in the toilet.

[Ros 56]

They say they milk chickens in Moscow. It would be time for an adult to relate to different facts.

[Machito]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter that everything is in order on board the ISS, the crew is resting

It seems they say that unauthorized engine start is not the first case in the history of the station.

It's hard to believe that Rogosmos did manage to dock Science to the ISS. Rogozin is far from Efremov with its Andromeda Nebula.

[bar]

To be honest, I am generally very surprised that this 26-year-old unfinished suitcase without a handle, in principle, managed to be launched somewhere. Even this I consider a success.
I expected that the module would be "reoriented" to a new promising station, and then, in the best traditions, the topic would be hushed up little by little over the years.

[Mikhail3]

Come on) All these years no one did anything, they simply wrote off money for the project. It is unlikely that the real work took more than a year. And he basically went on a search in the warehouses of Soviet spare parts ...

[bar]

Quote: Mikhail3

All these years no one did anything, they simply wrote off money for the project. It is unlikely that the real work took more than a year.

When you don't do it yourself, then everything is always easy and simple. In real life, there, firstly, the module was converted from a residential one to a laboratory one for several posts, and secondly, the entire fuel system was altered. The old one was clogged with shavings, it was unrealistic to clean, to make anew, too, more competencies / equipment / specialists / documentation were lost. I had to attach the system from the booster frigate.
And money is debited always and everywhere. In the same striped ones, they fly away with a whistle, since the printing industry has its own.

[Mikhail3]

Mustache it was! Hehe ... Many people know how to write otmaz. You believe? Or do you write yourself?

[slipped]

Quote: bar

I expected that the module would be "reoriented" to a new promising station, and then, in the best traditions, the topic would be hushed up little by little over the years.

Miscalculated, it happens. It is always like this: Life is what passes by you while you are making some of your plans.

[alystan]

But this time has passed in vain, I think.
Another thing is interesting, the main reason was found, and the main culprit was found or not? Metal shavings in the fuel system are you sticking a needle somewhere? And also, interestingly, a hole drilled on the ISS (debris - shavings) and metal shavings here (a working tool - a drill as an option)!
And also, so that they no longer asked to go to our toilet, the guys had to open (unlock) the amersky segment from our side, so that at the moment of the freelance switching on of the engines at Science, they would be "torn off" from the former ISS!

[Lech from Android.]

Yes, as long as possible ... then they will drill a hole, then they will press the button ...

[krops777]

To stabilize the ISS, it was necessary to use the engines of the Russian Progress spacecraft and the Zvezda module. Mabut someone pressed the wrong button? It happens sometimes.

Now you have to deliver fuel, it turns out a little expensive for you just pressed the button, confused the chip, the software glitched, and so on. The mess in Roskosmos seems to be continuing.

[Peak]

Roscosmos and NASA will jointly investigate the situation with the Russian module "Science" docked to the ISS yesterday, July 29.

And there is something to investigate , the most dangerous incident.

Our happiness that the engines were turned on after docking, and the ISS only deployed, changing its position in space.
And what if Nauka rammed the station with its entire mass in the process of docking / approaching the ISS?

I don't even want to predict the possible consequences ...

[Yurahip]

The consequences of the Americans are very well shown in the movie Gravity.

[alystan]

They, all that are shown in films later in life in real deeds / things are transformed.

[slipped]

Quote: PiK

Our happiness that the engines were turned on after docking, and the ISS only deployed, changing its position in space.

Engines were switched on before docking. These are the engines - they sometimes turn on. And the ISS often unfolds itself in space, this is a regular process for it. For docking, for example.

[Peak]

Quote: slipped

These are the engines - they sometimes turn on.

Here it is , somehow, without your explanation, I had no idea about it

You really don't understand that we are talking in this case about an abnormal inclusion , or are you so - potryndet?

[slipped]

Quote: PiK

Here it is , somehow, without your explanation, I had no idea about it

Crap. I thought ...

Quote: PiK

You really don't understand that we are talking in this case about an abnormal inclusion , or are you so - potryndet?

And then all "tryndyat". The truth is often irrelevant. And as for the engine - it turned on and off. Are sorted out.

[Borisych1973]

While they are sorting it out, we are waiting for the next abnormal incident with Science and we are rooting for the team of the State Research and Production Center and the Republic of Kazakhstan :-))

[slipped]

Quote: Borisych1973

While they are sorting it out, we are waiting for the next abnormal incident with Science and we are rooting for the team of the State Research and Production Center and the Republic of Kazakhstan :-))

Well, wait, wait. There will be no next one already. Science and the ISS are one.

[ccsr]

Quote: PiK

It is our happiness that the engines were turned on after docking, and the ISS only turned around, changing its position in space.
And what if Nauka rammed the station with its entire mass in the process of docking / approaching the ISS?

I would not have rammed it - most likely this mode was provided for orbit correction after attachment, and not before docking. But why it did not work as it should by mistake, and the commission will determine.

[bar]

Quote: krops777

Now you have to deliver fuel

In addition to fuel, it was not necessary to deliver the engine resource.

[Cosm22]

There is no mess.
You listen to the colleague slippeda. Everything is regular and everything is according to plan. As always.
But the flight director of the US segment of the International Space Station Zebulon Scoville says that "I was never so glad to see that all the solar panels and batteries [ISS] are still in place" after the "jewelry" docking of "Science".

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Cosm22

after "jewelry" docking of "Science"

The main thing is that the ISS does not have to be drowned after that. This will mean the death of our astronautics. The USA, EKA and China do not take us into their projects, we will definitely not pull it out on our own.
There are definitely problems and they will be sorted out in their severity. The launch of the Boeing Starliner OFT-2 is postponed indefinitely. Atlas V with the ship is removed from the launch pad.

[Peak]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

USA, EKA and China do not take us into their projects

With regard to China, you are wrong, or simply not sufficiently informed.

Indeed, it was with regard to the "Science" module that the Chinese National Space Administration proposed to us to dock it to their "Heavenly Palace" and conduct joint research there.

[slipped]

Quote: PiK

Indeed, it was with regard to the "Science" module that the Chinese National Space Administration proposed to us to dock it to their "Heavenly Palace" and conduct joint research there.

STA ?! Dreamer.

[Vadim237]

"The launch of the Boeing Starliner OFT-2 is postponed indefinitely. Atlas V and the ship are removed from the launch pad." It was postponed to August 3.
"The main thing is that the ISS does not have to be drowned after that. This will mean the death of our astronautics. The USA, EKA and China do not take us into their projects, we will definitely not pull it out on our own." Hello delirious.

[Azis]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The launch of the Boeing Starliner OFT-2 is postponed indefinitely. Atlas V with the ship is removed from the launch pad.

This was the point of launching!

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

There is no mess.
You listen to the colleague slippeda. Everything is regular and everything is according to plan. As always.

Really. They regularly parried the situation and went to bed.

Quote: Cosm22

But the flight director of the US segment of the International Space Station Zebulon Scoville says that "I was never so glad to see that all the solar panels and batteries [ISS] are still in place" after the "jewelry" docking of "Science".

What does the docking have to do with it? He said this after turning the station.

And another friend, Joel Montalbano, said: "We have not noticed any damage to the ISS."

[Cosm22]

We went to sleep with Rogozin on Twitter.
In essence, this is not about the damage, but about the emergency situation on the ISS, which was provoked by the docking of Nauka.
Otherwise, what situation in this case with the Russian module "Science" will Roscosmos and NASA jointly investigate?
If "all is well, beautiful marquise," and everyone has gone to bed - what to investigate? What for?

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

We went to sleep with Rogozin on Twitter.
In essence, this is not about the damage, but about the emergency situation on the ISS, which was provoked by the docking of Nauka.

Docking "Science" did not provoke any abnormal situation. It's not the unmanned Cru Dragon that stuck into the station and thus turned off its orientation.

The engine start incident happened later.

Quote: Cosm22

Otherwise, what situation in this case with the Russian module "Science" will Roscosmos and NASA jointly investigate?
If "all is well, beautiful marquise," and everyone has gone to bed - what to investigate? What for?

Any irregularities are always investigated.

[Cosm22]

1. Try to understand the meaning of the term "causation". Then maybe you will understand that before the docking of "Nauka" there was no problem on the ISS at all. When the docking took place is irrelevant in this case.
2. So there was a problem? How interesting! And what was the reason, let me ask you?

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

1. Try to understand the meaning of the term "causation". Then maybe you will understand that without the docking of Science, there would be no non-staff on the ISS at all. When the docking took place is irrelevant in this case.

And without the launch of Zarya, the ISS wouldn't exist at all, you know? And there were also some non-staff. The people have a short memory of the campaign.

Quote: Cosm22

2. So there was a problem? How interesting! And what was the reason, let me ask you?

I already wrote - an unplanned inclusion of a small DPS engine, a small thrust arose, which was successfully parried. And what was the reason - that's just the commission will figure it out.

[slipped]

Quote: krops777

Now you have to deliver fuel,

You won't have to. There is enough fuel at the station.

[hagen]

Quote: krops777

It turns out a little expensive for just pressing the button, confusing the chip, the software glitches, and so on. The mess in Roskosmos seems to be continuing.

Do you often run all sorts of modules? And everything is as smooth as clockwork, without failures? Here the astronaut says that there are no special problems, this has already happened ... The investigation has not yet begun, but here it is about buttons, a mess, software .... I think some of the hands just itch, unbearable without Klava.

[Vadim237]

There, the software just glitched, although it had to be worked out more than one hundred times on the ground - all questions to the one who wrote and checked it.

[Niko]

The technical level is persistently creeping down .. but Rogozin is satisfied, Rogozin is also satisfied, so it is necessary. Does anyone else wonder that even Africans prefer to cooperate not with Roscosmos?

[Akuzenka]

The technical level is persistently creeping down .. but Rogozin is satisfied, Rogozin is also satisfied, so it is necessary. Does anyone else wonder that even Africans prefer to cooperate not with Roscosmos?

Of course, why should he be dissatisfied? Loot drips regularly. He doesn't need anything else. "The dream has come true!" CAPITALISM. Soon, electricity, through the wires, will go "by the grace of God". Rockets are already flying with its help.

[Niko]

Quote: AKuzenka

The technical level is persistently creeping down .. but Rogozin is satisfied, Rogozin is also satisfied, so it is necessary. Does anyone else wonder that even Africans prefer to cooperate not with Roscosmos?

Of course, why should he be dissatisfied? Loot drips regularly. He doesn't need anything else. "The dream has come true!" CAPITALISM. Soon, electricity, through the wires, will go "by the grace of God". Rockets are already flying with its help.

I think the key here is "happy with them." So far, the government-cooperative-lake elite is happy with this ... and for the very smart there is a new Russian gendarmerie and laws on deadlines for posts in the net (and the most important thing is the fight against extremists such as Jehovah's Witnesses, they are certainly much more dangerous than Rogozin ones)

[max702]

Under Rogozin, not a single rocket fell .. And a record was set for an accident-free series of launches in the entire history of cosmonautics of the USSR / Russia .. So you wrote nonsense about Rogozin, he just seemed to put things in order, the facts confirm this ..

[Lech from Android.]

Software to see glitches ... got off easily.

[Vitamin]

Yes Easy.
And, in general, in such a case, an engine start blocking should be provided (for example, a mechanical ignition switch). Either it is not there (engineers tupanuli), or they simply forgot to turn it on.
And again the eternal questions: Who is to blame? And what to do?

[den3080]

Quote: Vitamin

Yes Easy.
And, in general, in such a case, an engine start blocking should be provided (for example, a mechanical ignition switch). Either it is not there (engineers tupanuli), or they simply forgot to turn it on.
And again the eternal questions: Who is to blame? And what to do?

pin all the buttons nafik and that's it ...

[lucul]

Software to see glitches ... got off easily.

Engineering bookmarks)))
We were given to understand that our Science is not controlled. And that at any moment, they can turn on the engines and destroy the station, writing off everything to Russia, and orient the debris of the station to China, thereby causing a serious deterioration in relations between China and Russia.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
His example to others "Science" ...
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[mlad]

If there are so many problems with one module, how are we going to build a station?

[nnm]

How, how .... on Rogozin's twitter, that's how!
Colleague, you would also ask him about the promised missions to the Moon and Mars.
I don’t know why, but it seems to me personally that while people remembering the system of control over the quality of spacecraft in the USSR are still alive, they urgently need to be involved in the construction of a system of checks, control, etc. Otherwise, soon one new skyscraper for top management will remain from Roscosmos.

[Moskovit]

It would also be nice to find people who remember the system of prosecution for theft and slovenliness. Desirable Stalinist

[Fungus]

We will build well. As well as the MIR was built and launched. What are so many problems? Everything has been deleted already.

[Cosm22]

Russia has absolutely nothing to do with the MIR station, this OS was built by specialists from the USSR.
As for Russia's experience in the docking of large-sized objects in orbit, it has only one case in its credit.
The only successful Russian operation of this kind is the docking of Zvezda with the ISS. Everything!
The Zorya was not even tasked with docking. It just had to be put into the desired circular orbit (404/386 km). Then the shuttle "Endeavor" flew in and docked the "Unity" module to the "Zarya". After that, the ISS OS took place as such. Moreover, the Zarya module did not actively participate in this, Nancy Currie simply captured her with a manipulator.
Small things like Pirs and MIM modules should not be considered, they were delivered by Soyuz. The docking algorithm was completely different. "Pirs" delivered "Progress M-CO1" on "Soyuz-U", the same way was delivered to MIM "Poisk". Dawn brought the Atlantis shuttle in general.
Here "Zvezda" already had a harder time. But the module from the transfer orbit of 185/357 km in two weeks almost without incident (whether there was a glitch with the HF antenna of the auxiliary system - it's a dark matter) flew to the docking station and docked. There were no complaints about the remote control. That was a success. Unconditional. Unfortunately, a single one of this scale in the Russian asset for two decades.
The launch of Science can be considered a success only with a stretch. No matter how much Roskosmos is silent about all the shoals and failures of this unparalleled epic, you can't hide an sewn in a sack. Sooner or later, everything will have to be made publicly available.

[Fungus]

Well done Roscosmos! Science was delivered and docked. The machine is heavy and complex. Jewelry and professional work. Now ours have a compartment for another astronaut.

[Cosm22]

Fungus, why bother with a topic that you don't understand?
Let's better talk about Ukraine. You do better here.
And the chances of earning a marshal star for the epaulette with your uryakalka are greater.

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Quote: Fungus

What does Ukraine have to do with it? This is your country, you take care of it. You pissed away yuzhmash and barking at Roscosmos. And the Science module is in place. The staff will check in one of these days.

Indeed:

[Cosm22]

O! Here comes your opponent!
Has the last training manual from Roskosmos already been delivered? They calved there for a long time.
Can we talk about the fact that everything is in order, that everything is according to plan, that it was written that way in the cyclogram?
Just do not get off with pictures this time. Is there a clear analysis of the situation? Not Roscosmos, but your own?
However, who am I asking ...

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Quote: Cosm22

O! Here comes your opponent!

I don't consider you an "opponent". Generally. You carry a blizzard all the time.

Quote: Cosm22

Has the last training manual from Roskosmos already been delivered? They calved there for a long time.

Vooot, an example of such a blizzard.

Quote: Cosm22

Can we talk about the fact that everything is in order, that everything is according to plan, that it was written that way in the cyclogram?

No. The DPS engine was turned on unscheduled and happened when connected to a common local network. The thrust was small and was countered by the Zvezda's engines, as it should be. And "Progress" then corrected the situation.

For the entire ISS, all this did not pose any danger - everything there is designed for corrections using jet engines. The problem could only have happened on the ISS AS with their BOTS burdocks, but the turn rate was so slow that they were only shaken a little.

[Cosm22]

Was the thrust "parried by the Zvezda engines as expected"?
Is that what it says in the cyclogram? Or in a training manual?

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Quote: Cosm22

Was the thrust "parried by the Zvezda engines as expected"?
Is that what it says in the cyclogram? Or in a training manual?

On the "Zvezda", if you are not in the know, there is a corrective propulsion system, which automatically turns on immediately if the station loses orientation. So the program is laid down. This CDU is the most powerful in the entire station and can fend off any situation.

[Cosm22]

I am in a much better course than you might even imagine. And we are not talking about correcting the station's orbit or its orientation with gyrodines or engines of Zvezda or Progress. In the event of a planned or emergency.
It's about why this emergency occurred. Why the extraneous impulse had to be compensated so urgently.
Here Roskosmos is diligently trying to jump off this topic altogether. Starting from the 21st. When from the very beginning everything went through the stump-deck.
Now you also want to convince me that this problem on the ISS is normal? That all this is nothing? What KDU was originally intended for such situations?
This abnormal situation is a jamb of Roscosmos. And, I think, the commission will sort out the incident. And NASA will be forced to voice its specific position. Corporate ethics won't help here.

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Quote: Cosm22

I am in a much better course than you might even imagine.

Yes, I do not want to assume that. This is not interesting to me.

Quote: Cosm22

It's about why this emergency occurred. Why the extraneous impulse had to be compensated so urgently.

Because it was in your term "extraneous impulse", well, do not tumble the station further, by God
And why he was figured out.

Quote: Cosm22

Here Roskosmos is diligently trying to jump off this topic altogether. Starting from the 21st. When from the very beginning everything went through the stump-deck.

EPRST, Ale garage - a module within the station. Now he will be prepared for full integration.

Quote: Cosm22

Now you also want to convince me that a non-staff on the ISS is normal?

The ISS often has problems. The toilet over there gets clogged up - it's not a standard, the Americans will run away with a refrigerant - it's not a standard, and then there is some kind of slow turn of the station along the bank. The station is able to do this, it even has such a flight mode - indicator.

Quote: Cosm22

That all this is nothing? What was the CDU originally intended for such situations?

KDU is able to fend off such situations, which is what happened.

Quote: Cosm22

This abnormal situation is a jamb of Roscosmos. And, I think, the commission will sort out the incident. And NASA will be forced to voice its specific position. Corporate ethics won't help here.

Will he spank on the pope? Wow.

[alch3mist]

This abnormal situation is a jamb of Roscosmos.

What a sweet confidence. Are you hovering there somewhere near the station? If the jamb happened at the time the module was connected to the common LAN, then it is still a big question whether it was an accident, and if not, then we know which nation is the champion in Western construction.

[Dart]

Along the way, you are in the topic of "burdock", and not slipped .... you constantly ask illiterately, and they answer you with an order, but you are stupid again ...

[Palestinian]

forgive me for interfering, but the question is in what year did you graduate from the cosmonaut training center ... although maybe you work at NASA? ... here I am an ordinary doctor working in the 24th GKB in Yekaterinburg .... answer ???

[Cosm22]

How does it have to do with it, Fungus?
For you, any person with a Russian passport who does not shout "Hurray!" to the glory in this case of Roskosmos, either a Ukrainian, or a mattress pad, or a liberal.
And this is a comfortable position. In any case, it allows you to rise to the rank of major.

[Fungus]

And you never write normal comments. You always have nagging. Whether it's Nord Stream 2, space, or Zircon. You fell apart and became the world's beggars thanks to the horses, and now you whine on Russian resources.

[Cosm22]

Here! This is the correct vector. Keep up the good work.
Two stars at two clearances are better than one.

[Vadim237]

Finish your whining to the power of 10 from empty to empty already.

[Shiden]

It's interesting for me to read those people who taught you the minus. I'm just amazed at the person who asked the question and they threw a minus on him. Do you want me to answer there will not be any station and no one is going to build it and the minus to your address only confirms this.

[Roman070280]

It's interesting for me to read those people who taught you a minus.

They call themselves putriots ..))

[Shiden]

You are mistaken, those people who put a minus follow the old Russian saying "Perhaps, do not be afraid, but with God's help it will carry you."

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Quote: Shiden

... Do you want me to answer there will not be any station and no one is going to build it and the minus to your address only confirms this.

There is no Crimean bridge either, the main thing is not to worry too much.

[Vadim237]

Ross - Khrunichev will definitely not build, and even more so, the station will not be long-term as Nauka.

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Ross - Khrunichev will definitely not build, and even more so, the station will not be long-term as Nauka.

You're right. The TsiH at the Moscow site will deal with hydrogen technologies and create upper stages and stages, at the Omsk site - to produce the Angara KRK.

New modules of the new station will be made by RSC Energia.

[senima56]

It looks like the Chinese components failed ...

[Vladimir61]

Quote: senima56

It looks like the Chinese components failed ...

If we decided to start, then everything was fine at all factory and prelaunch checks. They will find out the reason, all telemetry is written there, as in "black boxes".
As for the Chinese, they have quite weighty and clearly declared themselves in the past decade, as a country not only with ambitions, but also capable of independently developing their space programs. They have already announced that they have created a material that can absorb 80% of the waves emitted by the radar and therefore hide their satellites from detection.

[Disant]

They have already announced that they have created a material that can absorb 80% of the waves emitted by the radar and therefore hide their satellites from detection.

what sodat it - the Americans over there are clapboard-clapboard satellites sheathed. they take from me near my home in the market

[Peak]

Quote: senima56

It looks like the Chinese components failed ...

Now let's blame the Chinese for everything Convenient object to blame everything on them

That's just the Chinese themselves for some reason, the most diverse satellites, stations and experimental systems are quite successfully put into orbit on their components ...

[Cosm22]

By the way, about China.
Here recently on the resource, one hurray-patriot advised China to learn from Russia how to build an OS.
China can learn from Russia only one thing - how NOT to launch modules into orbit. And take "Science" as a visual aid.

[dimy44]

It worked out, it's good. The reason is being investigated, so what's the point right now to guess what was the reason, we'll wait and find out.

[Dzafdet]

Writing application software for complex hardware is an art. Who is currently writing software for Rogozin? Probably the students of Baumanka. And here's the result. Plus savings on land mining ...

[dimy44]

Unlikely. And the tests there are cruel. Someone would not write. I will more confess to the idea of ​​a mechanical cause.

[sleeve]

Is it possible to intervene from outside? In the initial period, there is a failure in the correction, then the motors are turned on? The question is, nothing more ... Is it possible to "stack" eliminated saboteurs in the software when writing? If the reason is "mechanical", and, moreover, initiated "on the spot", then it would be fine. As far as it is possible to make an assumption, it was so, and at the impulse level "on-off". Maybe they poured and refilled the leftovers on the tanks and ... "let's go"? Why are there so many "assumptions"? Because, most likely, we will correctly silence the reason again. It is, of course, okay, if the reason is found and at least settles in the archives of the RK. All these "incidents" on the eve of the start of the project on the Russian station are certainly unnerving. Well, the Americans have an excuse, again, to make a tired, exhausted look from working with "these Russians" and postpone the start ... of an object completely autonomous from "Science".

[Blackmokona]

Not autonomous, the Starliner is flying dock. Goes to the dock and then Nauka begins to unfold the station again, and the Starliner of such a hopana flies not into the docking port, but into the casing of the station.

[sleeve]

Something I was in a hurry with a postscript about autonomy. About the orientation that spatial with lack of sleep flew out. There will certainly be neither Dzhanibekov nor Savinykh with the steering wheel ...

[Cosm22]

The reason must be sought elsewhere.
"Science" after the failure with the alteration of the tanks was pushed into space on two crutches - maybe yes I suppose.
Probably, it will fly to the ISS. Maybe it will dock.
Let us recall how the module was positioned earlier - after attaching to the station, its onboard fuel tanks can be reused for storing fuel, and the propulsion system for orbit correction. What did you get in the end? The tanks were essentially declared disposable and they will only be used for rendezvous and docking with the station.
But it was not even possible to reach the station by way. The delay in the first correction of the Nauka's orbit clearly showed that there were problems with the space station. And what about the BCS? And the RK is silent. Maybe software, maybe a valve, maybe a bellows. I had to urgently raise the perigee of the traffic police. And what was left to do in a critical situation?
But - everything is regular. All according to plan. Everything is calm in Baghdad.

[Whisper]

Are they talking about "Science" in the news or shyly hushing up? In the internet I have not seen a word, shameful.
In my opinion, this is a serious emergency, and it is very good that it all ended this way. Just imagine you are long-range and sleeping in the car in the parking lot. And she suddenly starts up and drives herself. Only there is no parking lot, that's the difference.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Sheptun

Are they talking about "Science" in the news or shyly hushing up? In the internet I have not seen a word, shameful.

On RIA-Novosti, the note was published yesterday, at 23.58
https://ria.ru/20210729/rogozin-1743530264.html

[Cosm22]

Is there a certainty that everything is over?
Are the passageways open already?
So far we only know that the hatch had to be slammed quickly.

[Agent cooper]

We can say with God's help the station flew by. But this is the finish line, the fact that the space industry in Russia has been ditched is almost completely clear.

[Dikson]

And Mr. Rogozin from the very beginning shyly kept silent about the problems after the start with "Science" .. - if foreigners did not start discussing on the Internet the malfunctions of the module's systems, ours would have kept silent .. Someone generally talked about an abnormal situation during separation steps - from here all the mistakes started .. Either the bar did not come out, then the commands did not pass, then the engines gave out an "accident" .. Then there was talk about the problem with the fuel ..

[rocket757]

The whole history of astronautics says that in space such a thing as "got off easy" should not manifest itself AT ALL!
How tense all this.

[Vadim237]

But it will appear because space technology is the most complex and failures in it, as well as incorrect work, will rarely continue, but there will be - 100% reliable technology does not exist.

[rocket757]

I agree ... the more complicated the technique, the more likely it will fail ... alas, alas.
Going back to the valve and the circuit breaker is NOT POSSIBLE!
And so, there is something to remember ... when there were problems on "Salyut 6", we were stuck in the MCC, for almost a month ... none of the seconded people were allowed to go home !!!
Such were the times, such were the rules.
We did not complain ... we did a great job, all together!

[Alisher]

An abnormal activation of the engines of the Nauka module occurred at 16:45 UTC, three hours after the automatic docking. According to the work plan, in an hour and a half they were supposed to open the hatch, check the atmosphere, turn on air purification, the crew did not plan any other work. https://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/news/80804/
Unfortunately, this is not the first emergency situation with the Science module. Initially, the deployment of the Kurs-A system antenna and the docking target was not confirmed, and there were malfunctions in the operation of infrared attitude sensors. Also, the sensors recorded abnormal pressure in the fuel tanks. It is assumed that due to a software error, the valve has prematurely opened the line between the low pressure and high pressure fuel tanks. The resulting pressure exceeded the nominal one, at which the two main engines of "Nauka" work - DKS, correction and rendezvous engines. On July 22, the perigee of Nauka's orbit, which had dropped to 190 km, was raised by a 250-second firing of small docking and stabilization engines (DPS).
https://kosmolenta.com/

[Disant]

Initially, the deployment of the Kurs-A antenna and the docking target was not confirmed.

so what - they would manually dock, instead of a target they would take a lead, business - for any cosmonaut. or they would reboot again and give the command to disclose, which they apparently did. time - 8 days was for all cases. the proton starts not sickly, so the hike went down. this course is used by the unions, and they are taking it gently from the start.
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the infrared orientation sensors were malfunctioning.

and where is this from? what kind of fireworks-7? meteorites attacked the writers?
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It is assumed that due to a software error, the valve has prematurely opened the line between the low pressure and high pressure fuel tanks. The resulting pressure exceeded the nominal

.
so I say - it was shaking at the start, the valves were purely mechanical due to the shaking and they let the pressure in the opposite direction a little. hung in orbit, everything returned to normal, and the software, on the contrary, corrected the pressure.
let the writer continue to fantasize about bad software - it's his dirty bread.

[Disant]

was lifted with a 250-second firing of the small docking and stabilization (DPS) engines.

yes, an emergency situation, they waited for the pressure to equalize, and so as not to lose the orbit (then it would just spend a little more fuel), they worked with docking engines to raise the orbit - they are already to the eyeballs - they will raise the ISS orbit for more than one year upon arrival, and, again, they will be refueled more than once in the future.

[DmSol]

Quote: nnm

How, how .... on Rogozin's twitter, that's how!
Colleague, you would also ask him about the promised missions to the Moon and Mars.
I don’t know why, but it seems to me personally that while people remembering the system of control over the quality of spacecraft in the USSR are still alive, they urgently need to be involved in the construction of a system of checks, control, etc. Otherwise, soon one new skyscraper for top management will remain from Roscosmos.

I would venture to suggest that the control system in Roscosmos copies what we now have in the civil service. For grassroots workers, minimum wages and bonuses. The bonus is accrued by the head of the link at the end of the month, which takes into account the number of penalty points for certain reporting violations. So, the control system is quite working there. But due to the fact that the main part of the salary falls on bonuses, then here there is quite a terry voluntarism, when only "ours and ours" can earn normally. Therefore, qualified engineers are running. In short, you need to pay normally, and not leave for retirees. Once again, I will repeat - this is purely a view from the outside, perhaps I am mistaken.

[Whisper]

And there is. Because 80 thousand should be enough for an engineer. And the fact that he needs to buy an apartment and a car and a dacha is his problem, not his bosses.

[bar]

After docking, the module abnormally turned on the engines

Did you turn off the engine or ran out of fuel?

[Cosm22]

And you ask Roscosmos. What does RK say?
And in "Roskosmos" explained the incident by work with the remnants of fuel in the module "Science".
Like this. Simple and tasteful. Presumably, there was no problem. And the engines unauthorizedly started up according to plan. So, it turns out, and it was conceived.

[El Chuvachino]

How do you get cracked from a successful docking, evil spirits

[prior]

Hooray.
A new "trampoline" called "Science" has started working.
And immediately gave rise to investigations and proceedings.
It burst again, but as always, not where it should be.

[113262a]

What is needed is not Rogozin, but Lavrenty Pavlovich! And so as not to be distracted from an important matter.

[Vadim237]

It will not help in any way. Problems with software for space are not new, the same Starliner in its first flight due to software did not reach the desired orbit, the computer turned off the engines ahead of time - it had to be returned to Earth without docking to the ISS.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Vitamin

Yes Easy.
And, in general, in such a case, an engine start blocking should be provided (for example, a mechanical ignition switch). Either it is not there (engineers tupanuli), or they simply forgot to turn it on.
And again the eternal questions: Who is to blame? And what to do?

What to do?
I think we are all here, on this site we know perfectly well what to do:
1. With a filthy broom, drive in the neck all effective managers who do not have specialized education and work experience in their specialty !!! BURN OUT WITH A HOT IRON !!! A journalist should run a newspaper, a teacher should run a school, a doctor should run a hospital, and an industrial corporation should be run by an engineer !!! Moreover, the manager must have proper real work experience in his specialty (necessarily work "on the ground", and not in the top leadership) - 3, 5, 15 years - depending on the rank !!!
2. Restore the prestige of engineering and technical and blue-collar occupations (although ... I suspect that a highly skilled worker in complex high-tech industries should have at least a technical school "behind him");
3. To restore normal education in exact and natural disciplines. We do not need a "competent consumer", but a competent, highly qualified engineer !!!
In this part, it is necessary to raise the prestige of the professions of a kindergarten teacher, school teacher, university teacher !!! It is necessary to revive at least the Soviet system of education and training of specialists in the exact and natural sciences and engineering specialties.
4. To restore the discipline of production and PERSONAL PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY of everyone, starting from the worker - foreman - shift engineer and ending with the head of the corresponding corporation and the minister.
Until there is general discipline, production discipline and personal personal responsibility, the inevitable responsibility of everyone, everything will only get worse, worse, worse ...
5. And of course, material incentives - workers and engineers should receive proper wages, so as not to count pennies and not think: will there be enough until the next paycheck? ..

Only here is the problem: as it turns out, we need "competent consumers", but not highly qualified engineers ...

[Vadim237]

"With a filthy broom, chase all effective managers in the neck." - Managers have nothing to do with that the software of the on-board computer of Science malfunctioned. But to those who diagnosed Science and worked out the software, I would give them a star and they will actually be given them at the end of the investigation.

[Prisoner]

Some color-blind red wire soldered in place of the green one. Or vice versa.

[Roman070280]

After docking, the module abnormally switched on the engines and turned the station around 45 degrees.

You can imagine how the entire crew of the station got rid of it.

Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter that everything is in order on board the ISS, the crew is resting.

Of course..)))))

[Reader 2013]

Does not rest, and all current work was forced to stop due to an emergency situation

[Roman070280]

Yes, you can't really rest there now!
You close your eyes, and you yourself will think - is it time to jump up and "run" to the Union for evacuation ..))

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Quote: Roman070280

You can imagine how the entire crew of the station got rid of it.

Well no. Novitsky calmly commented on the situation. Foreign astronauts closed the dome shutters. Then, when everything was settled, they opened it again. And then our people went to bed.

Quote: Roman070280

Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter that everything is in order on board the ISS, the crew is resting.

Of course..)))))

And so it was.

[Roman070280]

Novitsky calmly commented on the situation.

He may have commented calmly ..
But the fight before that was definitely not childish ..

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Quote: Roman070280

But the fight before that was definitely not childish ..

That, do not invent.

[Roman070280]

So don't make it up ..

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Quote: Roman070280

So don't make it up ..

Who calls himself so called

[Roman070280]

Here's the next. just don't call names ..))

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Quote: Roman070280

Here's the next. just don't call names ..))

He himself invented, voiced and takes offense.

[Roman070280]

So don't make it up ..))

[Alexander Manakov]

I don't want to be accused of conspiracy, but:
1) the position of the ISS was changed by 45%, in this regard, "according to Joel Montalbano, NASA still decided to declare an emergency mode on its segment, close the windows of the dome module (the module of the American segment of the ISS, which is a panoramic observation dome , consisting of seven transparent windows), just in case ... "-NASA announced a state of emergency on the ISS due to the" Science "module - MK.ru (C)
What were they doing there all the way from the beginning of the ISS operation? - made beautiful photos))))
2) "The crew will not meet Boing's Starliner. Its test launch and docking to the ISS was scheduled for July 30th. SpaceX has now canceled everything. Atlas V's Starliner launch has been postponed to July 31st or early August."
3) "Finally, everyone will be able to calm down only after the ISS passes over the Russian ground stations and the specialists make sure that the engines of MLM Nauka are really turned off."
And what was going on there (going on) at THIS time on the earth's surface, not everyone is destined to know)))) and, at the same time, to show who is "driving" the ISS)))))
PS IMHO, no more.

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Quote: Alexander Manakov

1) changed the position of the ISS by 45%

Degrees. Then they returned it back.

Quote: Alexander Manakov

What were they doing there all the way from the beginning of the ISS operation? - made beautiful photos))))

And that too. Above is a photo from Tom Pesce.

Quote: Alexander Manakov

2) "The crew will not meet the Boing Starliner.

Why meet him? There is nobody there. He will fly by himself. Numbers of the third.

Quote: Alexander Manakov

3 and the specialists will make sure that the engines of MLM Nauka are really turned off. "

And there yesterday everything was turned off, and there is no more fuel there.

[Disant]

And there yesterday everything was turned off, and there is no more fuel there.

just pumped into another module?
test and reuse?

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Quote: Disant

just pumped into another module?
test and reuse?

No. Engines are no longer needed for Science. At the same time, through the pipelines of the module, it is possible to pump fuel from Progress to the KDU SM.

[Disant]

so the bank was going to manage the entire station .. the reserve will never hurt

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Quote: Disant

so the bank was going to manage the entire station .. the reserve will never hurt

For this purpose, Progress MS-17 will be transferred to Nauka in October. And after the arrival of Progress M-UM, Progress and Unions will dock to the ball.

[trophy]

Lucky amers got off with a slight fright, but ours are no stranger to it. For ragozin, in general, everything is according to the classics, it is not the first time for him to turn his shameful ailment into a heroic deed (tweeter to help him), a self-shot premature.

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Quote: Trofim

self-shot premature.

Ay, how does Rogozin interfere with sleep, you can't even eat?

[Kushka]

Quote: Ros 56

Mabut someone pressed the wrong button? It happens sometimes.

I confess, I've been driving for 50 years, and the key is in gear at least once a year, but I turn it ...

[slipped]

The joint is sealed. At about six in the evening, the inner hatch of the Science is to be opened.

[slipped]

Our crew opened the hatches connecting the Nauka module with the Russian segment of the ISS. Everything is regular. Work continues on adapting the new module with the station.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Vadim237

"With a filthy broom, chase all effective managers in the neck." - Managers have nothing to do with that the software of the on-board computer of Science malfunctioned. But to those who diagnosed Science and worked out the software, I would give them a star and they will actually be given them at the end of the investigation.

The "merit" of effective managers is that thanks to their innovations, optimizations, etc. low-quality software testing became possible.

If you remember, some time ago another launch vehicle fell on us. Investigation showed: the missile orientation sensors were fixed in the sockets with their feet UP !!! the question is: who and what responsibility was borne? In particular, what responsibility did the installer incur when installing these sensors upside down? What is the responsibility of the engineer who checked (or did not check) the installation of those sensors? What responsibility did the technologists bear who developed such a technological map, in which this became possible?

Some time ago in orbit, it was discovered that someone had drilled a hole in the Soyuz hull. Drilled and glued. first they blamed the Americans, then ... then they started an investigation. Question: how did the investigation end? who bore what responsibility?

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Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov

If you remember, some time ago another launch vehicle fell on us.

What does "some time" mean? Tell me more precisely - 8 years ago in 2013, material damage amounted to six billion rubles.

since 2015 Russia has fulfilled 21 successful launches rocket Proton-M.

Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov

What responsibility did the technologists bear who developed such a technological map, in which such a thing became possible?

Material.

Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov

Question: how did the investigation end? who bore what responsibility?

Financially - Americans. They are forced to send their astronauts to the ISS at an exorbitant price, now through commercial firms.

[Disant]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov
Question: how did the investigation end? who bore what responsibility?
Financially - Americans. They are forced to send their astronauts to the ISS at an exorbitant price, now through commercial firms.

so the Americans incurred financial responsibility and, as an undeclared punishment, fly at an exorbitant price, or are they just now flying at an exorbitant price?

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Quote: Disant

[so the Americans incurred financial responsibility and, as an undeclared punishment, fly at exorbitant prices, or are they just now flying at exorbitant prices?

It was a joke. But they really pay a lot for their flights with us.

[Disant]

It was a joke.

partisan, enough to evade the answer. speak directly - the woman got drilled ?!

[Agent cooper]

Academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences warned that the outflow of scientists in Russia increased 5 times compared to 2012, to which the mustachioed Peskov said that he did not see any tragedy here. A curtain.

The result can be seen in the article.

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Quote: Agent Cooper

Academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences warned that the outflow of scientists in Russia increased 5 times compared to 2012, to which the mustachioed Peskov said that he did not see any tragedy here. A curtain.

The result can be seen in the article.

We see. It is clear that earlier all the Academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences who did not run away from Russia were not allowed to launch "Science" on the ISS. Now it became possible and everyone breathed a sigh of relief.

[Whisper]

It's just that everything stupidly rests on the grandmother. Putin, together with his gang, receiving extra incomes, takes money from everyone, including the Academicians. And now they also communicate with colleagues and see their opportunities, respect and position in society. You have to be an idiot not to leave, so they go. Even ducks fly, where it is warmer, what can I say about Academics.

[Disant]

RAS academicians warned that the outflow of scientists in Russia increased 5 times in comparison with 2012

Well, the Skolkovo vacuum cleaner started working only in 2011, by 2012 they had not yet reached their design capacity.

[Troll]

In fact, there will not be any JOINT investigation. Roscosmoss has already said that everything is in the right direction and that everything is exaggerated.

[Whisper]

Please answer me one question: how did three naked boys in the person of Bezos, Branson and Musk make three mega projects, and all are successful? I understand the format is not the same, someone was not even in space, but they did it very quickly, and we have been working on Science for 20 years and it looks like we were really lucky. What the hell is this?

[Troll]

Well, you yourself answered: We did it quickly and were not in space. Physics cannot be fooled. The only thing they can do is make great videos that go crazy.
...
Oh, these people are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo range far away, oh how far away.

[Disant]

how three naked boys in the face of Bezos, Branson and Musk made three mega projects

.
received engineering brains by whole teams from the bowels of NASA and other corporations, such as Northropgrumman. we also received all the equipment, equipment, stands, the results of the previous 10-15 years of work of the state, all the necessary patents.
for all this money and time were paid earlier by the us taxpayers.
in the load they were also given government orders.
it is a new style of doing business at the expense of the state. there is not even a gesheft, but simply exportation at the expense of the state.
people make money, and people are shown garages with homemade products, from which everyone allegedly crawled out.

[Blackmokona]

Yeah, just the same corporations gave their property to other corporations.
They made up nonsense.
Look who made the Shuttle, Delta, Atlas and other American ships and missiles. Corporations, their patents, stands, specialists, and more. They won't give a damn thing to any of them

[Disant]

gave everything with giblets, how cute.

[Blackmokona]

Yes, yes, they gave everything that they developed and launched rockets, engines and ships and continue to do so. Developing and producing everything exactly at the same factories and stands

[seacap]

in the 90s they "pulled out" so much, and for nothing, from here that they have not yet raked, they had to create a whole institute, they saved colossal sums at the expense of Vanka the Fool and with the help of corrupt boyars, almost all the problems with the crisis were solved for our the account when they were already digging their own graves.

[Blackmokona]

And what is this institution called?

[Alexander Pseudonym]

They are brilliant guys. They have all the conditions for development in the United States. Korolev was in prison in the USSR. In Russia, before you say or do something, you need to think 100 more times and not whether it offends someone's religious feelings. And if you do, then be ready to be taken away or imprisoned.

[seacap]

And where are the new songs and humor of our "gifted" journalist "effective manager of everything"?

[Alexander Pseudonym]

I propose to send Ragozin into space. On Earth, he has already achieved everything. Let it conquer space. Maybe he'll even lose weight.

[VORON538]

What does a Ukrainian Jew care about Russian space?

[Dzafdet]

Quote: bar

After docking, the module abnormally turned on the engines

Did you turn off the engine or ran out of fuel?

Based on telemetry, the fuel has run out. The engines worked out 500 kg. According to their reports, the failure occurred when switching software.

[kig]

MOSCOW, July 30 - RIA Novosti. The sudden firing of the engines of the Nauka multipurpose laboratory module (MLM) on the International Space Station was due to a software malfunction, explained Vladimir Soloviev, Flight Director of the ISS Russian Segment.
He said that the docking mechanics worked without comment and led to the closure of the station and the module.
"Due to a short-term failure <...> a direct command was mistakenly implemented to turn on the engines of the module for withdrawal, which entailed some modification of the orientation of the complex as a whole," added Solovyov.

MOSCOW, July 31 - RIA Novosti. Russian cosmonaut Oleg Novitsky told the mission control center near Moscow that everything is in order in the new Nauka module and there is no dust, but a bolt flew out of the module when the hatch was opened, it follows from the crew's talks broadcast by NASA.

MOSCOW, July 30 - RIA Novosti. The reason for the unauthorized activation of the engines of the Nauka module could be the human factor, the flight control center specialist did not foresee the possibility of error, said Dmitry Rogozin, general director of Roscosmos.
“The human factor in a sense. That is, there was such euphoria (after the successful docking of Nauka with the ISS), people in a sense relaxed. Perhaps some of the operators did not take into account that the control system of the unit itself would continue to exist. And she determined this moment of her own three hours later and started the engines, which was immediately compensated for by our Russian engines on the Zvezda module and on our Progress cargo ship. TVNZ".

MOSCOW, July 30 - RIA Novosti. Roscosmos does not plan to create a commission to investigate the unplanned activation of the engines of the Nauka module, and NASA's information on the creation of such a commission is untrue, a source in the rocket and space industry told RIA Novosti on Friday.
"Roscosmos is surprised by the reaction of the Americans to the peculiarities of the docking of the Nauka module with the ISS. No commissions on this issue, especially with NASA engineers, will be created, the situation is accepted as normal," the agency's interlocutor said.

In total, we have: either a program failure, or a human factor, or the influence of the solar wind ... all these are standard situations. That is, provided by the instructions.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: kig

Russian cosmonaut Oleg Novitsky told the mission control center near Moscow that everything is in order in the new Nauka module and there is no dust, but a bolt flew out of the module when the hatch was opened, it follows from the crew's talks broadcast by NASA.

Bolt .... this is evidently due to the fact that
"science" turned a little microsecond ...

[grassyknollgunner]

A stillborn child ... It is better to work with the Chinese and fly to the moon. True, he was offended because they were not taken to the ISS. Although little actually depended on us then ... In any case, we need to restore cooperation with the PRC. It would be better if Science docked to Tyangun ...

[Antokha]

Can orientate!

[voyaka uh]

"engines and turned the station at 45 degrees." ///
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There was a telemetry video of the station.
The station has completed 1.5 complete revolutions around its axis!
540 degrees. And 90 degrees in a different plane.
Stopped spinning when Nvuk engines ran out of fuel