There are some details of the destruction of the drone by the Pantsir-S complex in Syria

Some details of the destruction emerge drone Russian-made Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile and gun system in Syria. It became known that the destruction was carried out in the province of Hama by a Syrian air defense crew.

The Russian Ministry of Defense previously circulated information that the drone was launched into the air by militants of one of the terrorist groups operating in the Syrian Arab Republic.

At the same time, the following fact draws attention to itself: the UAV appeared over the territories of control of the Syrian government forces, and at an impressive distance from those areas that are controlled by the militants. And the closest area of ​​such control by terrorists in Syria is the province of Idlib. Thus, the drone flew about a hundred kilometers to the place of interception. This suggests at least that the drone had, as they say, decent performance characteristics.

According to reports from Syrian sources, the drone was directed to the area of ​​the city of Masyaf (Hama province).

Why exactly there?

The reason may be that it was in the Masyaf area, as previously reported, that the S-300 air defense system was deployed, which was at one time supplied by Russia to Syria. This happened after, as a result of the provocative actions of the Israeli Air Force, the Syrian crew of the S-200 complex mistakenly shot down an Il-20 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Then the Israeli side notified the Russian side of the strikes on Syria about a minute before their start, which in fact became one of the reasons for the incident with the electronic reconnaissance aircraft. The Syrian crew began shelling targets - Israeli fighters, which actually covered themselves with a Russian military aircraft.

The drone, according to some reports, had weapons on board, and then, obviously, with its help, they were going to carry out an attack on a military facility.

It can be stated that the militants or those who stand behind them are not abandoning their attempts to destabilize the already difficult situation in the Syrian Arab Republic, using various forces and means for this.

Comments

[Avior]

And where is the photo of the downed drone?
The model could be used to draw conclusions. At least named the type.
There are not so many drones on board, and you can't buy one on Ali Express

[Lech from Android.]

Only a Turkish drone comes to mind ... drummer and reconnaissance is the question?

[alstr]

About the drone. And why does the author not admit that the UAV was released nearby - after all, it is not so difficult to carry / conduct it. Can even be assembled on site. Then outstanding performance is not needed.

[Michael67]

If only, yes ka ... Nothing is said about the type and size of the UAV. What is there to guess on the coffee grounds. The main thing was shot down. And it's nice to have our complex. For not .. fig.

[tlauicol]

Then the Israeli side notified the Russian side of the strikes on Syria about a minute before their start, which in fact became one of the reasons for the incident with the electronic reconnaissance aircraft.

why was the Il-20 plane directed to the firing sector? And flew there for a few minutes? Where is the logic?

[askort154]

why was the Il-20 plane directed to the firing sector? And flew there for a few minutes? Where is the logic?

It is difficult to explain this provocation to people not connected with aviation. Debriefing was thorough in the Russian Ministry of Defense, where Israeli representatives were summoned. This topic was discussed at VO for a long time.
The Jews competently and clearly framed our Il-20 under the Syrian air defense missile, which "worked" on a larger target on the locator - the Il-20, than the Israeli fighter. The whole calculation of the provocation was made on this. And they "warned" in 1 minute, knowing that nothing can be changed.

[Asad]

You might think that the Basmachi do not hang out in the territory controlled by the army.

[tlauicol]

Quote: askort154

why was the Il-20 plane directed to the firing sector? And flew there for a few minutes? Where is the logic?

The whole calculation of the provocation was made on this. And they "warned" in 1 minute, knowing that nothing can be changed.

what to change? IL-20 with the guys was in the opposite direction at this time. 200 km away from the Jews

[And Us Rat]

Quote: askort154

framed our Il-20 under the Syrian air defense missile

The Syrians shot down a Russian plane with a Soviet missile, but of course the Jews are to blame. Che, it's logical.
And here is a detailed and minute-by-minute analysis of how it was actually:

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2018/09/28/77985-kak-sbili-il-20

[Pickles Sunset]

Quote: askort154

It is difficult to explain this provocation to people not connected with aviation. Debriefing was thorough in the Russian Ministry of Defense, where Israeli representatives were summoned. This topic was discussed at VO for a long time.
The Jews competently and clearly framed our Il-20 under the Syrian air defense missile, which "worked" on a larger target on the locator - the Il-20, than the Israeli fighter. The whole calculation of the provocation was made on this. And they "warned" in 1 minute, knowing that nothing can be changed.

Nobody called the Israelis, because there are no such powers. They arrived on their own, because they were sure of their innocence. In any case, none of the foreign sources close to the military supported the charges of the Ministry of Defense. Because they know exactly what happened.

[ccsr]

Quote: Sunset pickles

.Since they know exactly what happened.

Everyone knows for sure - as with a Malaysian Boeing in the sky of Ukraine, Westerners still lie like gray geldings ...

[Lech from Android.]

That is, you know where the shelling sector was, you know where he flew, how long he flew ... very interesting ... but do not post more details about the actions of the Israeli pilots.

[tlauicol]

Quote: Lech from Android.

That is, you know where the shelling sector was, you know where he flew, how long he flew ... very interesting ... but do not post more details about the actions of the Israeli pilots.

of course I know, up to heights and speeds. and every minute. From our briefings. Have you forgotten?

[Lech from Android.]

No, I have not forgotten, but your briefings are very doubtful ... your pilots chose the time to attack the Syrian territory as during the flight of the IL-20 ... they put our people at risk.
I am convinced that if your command had warned our pilots in time, this tragedy would not have happened.
The Israeli Air Force is also to blame for the deaths of our people, albeit indirectly.

[tlauicol]

"our" briefings and "our" command are Konashenkov and Co. Who covered their asses with anti-Semitic sentiments.
I am Russian. Live in Russia

[Cheldon]

Quote: Tlauicol

I am Russian. Live in Russia

""What is your nationality?" Kissinger asks Zorin.
"I am Russian. And you?" "And I am American," replied the undisguised secretary of state. "
Why be offended that, reading your comments, everyone thinks that you are a Jew. Your nickname is also misleading. Behind my back, for my critical views, in the team, they also call me a Jew. This is a worthy nation that has suffered for its state, therefore it defends itself as desperately as in any yard showdown, grabbing everything that comes to hand.
But, in the case of the death of our crew, I believe that the Jews went too far. There is clearly an attempt to hide behind a side, in the hope that the Syrians will not shoot.

[tlauicol]

the Syrians are already shooting, do you understand? but don't get it. 11 minutes Like: "Now we will hang for 11 minutes, and then Il will come up" - is this the logic of the Jews?

[Professor]

Quote: Cheldon

An attempt to hide behind a side is clearly traced, in the hope that the Syrians will not shoot.

We are geniuses, of course, but not so much to calculate the behavior of your flight directors who, after an attack by the Israeli Air Force, will send a plane to the area of ​​fire, not so much to read the thoughts of Syrian operators who decided to shoot down a slow-moving target that appeared on the radar when there are no other targets, not so much to force a fighter F-16 fly at the speed of a slow-moving Ila hiding behind them, while the F-16 itself was already at the base airfield. (by the way, one hid behind, and where were the planes from two flights hiding?) But on the other hand, sometimes it's damn nice to read about his genius.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: professor

which after the attack of the Israeli air force

What, in general, is your Air Force doing in Syria?

[Professor]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: professor

which after the attack of the Israeli air force

What, in general, is your Air Force doing in Syria?

They fly. What about yours?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: professor

They fly. What about yours?

Why lie? Bombed. And ours are there, at the invitation of a legally elected government, helping to fight terrorists. Do you have doubts?

[Pickles Sunset]

Quote: Bad_gr

Why lie? Bombed. And ours are there at the invitation of the legally chosen government

Ours there, too, at the invitation of the Syrians.

[Sirocco]

We haven't seen each other for a long time)))) ours are there at the invitation of the government of Syria, and who invited you? Nobody, and your actions in Syria are no worse than the terrorists with whom the Russian Federation is fighting in Syria. So you my friend fall under the terrorist state.

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

We are geniuses, of course, but not so much to calculate the behavior of your flight directors.

It is not necessary to be a genius here, it is enough to study intelligence data and statistics of flights of Russian aviation in that region in order to correctly plan a provocation. You don’t admit the idea that the Israeli military is so stupid that they will not even be able to do this when they receive an order?

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

You don’t admit the idea that the Israeli military is so stupid that they will not even be able to do this when they are ordered?

I admit the thought that our military is not stupid, I even admit the thought that the politicians who gave them such an order are stupid, namely Bibi (why should he do this?), But my physical principles do not agree. How did 2 F-16 units hide behind one slow-moving Il, if their speed is higher than Il and this area is visible from all sides? How did they know that the Syrians will ignore all other radars and will only observe Il from this radar? How did your flight directors and your military, capable of flying our planes, not notice this from the moment they took off in Israel? How is it?

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

Well, how?

As a rule, our calculations were not there, otherwise it would have been completely different. Moreover, they tried to explain to you that radar operators focus on larger targets, if only because they are focused on destroying bombers in the first place. But you don't seem to get it.

Quote: professor

... How 2 F-16 flights hid behind one slow-moving Il if their speed is higher than Il

The cruising speed of the Il-20M is over 600 km / h. Are Israeli fighters landing at a higher speed? As for "hiding," the drug mafia has long been using this technique when crossing the US border with light aircraft or boats - but you don't know that, as I understand it.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: ccsr

The cruising speed of the Il-20M is over 600 km / h. Are Israeli fighters landing at a higher speed? As for "hiding," the drug mafia has long been using this technique when crossing the US border with light aircraft or boats - but you don't know that, as I understand it.

Okay, others - you are a former military man. A simple question: what a devil KP Khmeimim did two things:
1) Sent an aircraft that was not there at the time of the attack into someone else's air defense battle?
2) Did he not give the command to the Syrians to cease fire before the landing of his plane at the time of its entry into the zone of destruction of the SAA air defense system?
This is a very simple question.

[ccsr]

Quote: Krasnodar

what a devil KP Khmeimim did two things:

This is just your point of view, which may not correspond to the operational situation at that moment. Moreover, the Il-20M is subordinate to the chief of reconnaissance, and he has the right to plan flights at his own discretion, and even in the interests of higher structures, without informing the local command. So your question is just baby talk, not taking into account the reality of such flights.

Quote: Krasnodar

This is a very simple question.

First, you will figure out how these planes work - maybe then the questions will disappear, why this happened.

[Krasnodar]

Not mine - Konashenkov himself said at a briefing that the plane was in Idlib at the time of the attack, going in the direction of the West. Childish babble, not childish babble - they introduced him into someone else's air defense battle. It is a fact.
But what's the difference how he acts, not only was he introduced into someone else's air defense battle, but also the Syrians were not forced to cease fire during the landing / approach / his stay in the zone of destruction of the SAA air defense missile system.

[ccsr]

Quote: Krasnodar

Not mine - Konashenkov himself said at a briefing that the plane was in Idlib at the time of the attack, going in the direction of the West.

He voices the position of the Ministry of Defense, where many details are not indicated.

Quote: Krasnodar

But who cares how he acts, not only was he introduced into someone else's air defense battle,

That's right, they might not have time to inform him before the Israeli planes were spotted, if only because reconnaissance and air defense are conducted by different structures, and they could have disruptions in the exchange of information.

Quote: Krasnodar

its location in the affected area of ​​the SAA air defense missile system.

Do not fool people because judging by the way the Israelis rushed to Moscow, their stigma is like a cannon, and we know that.

[Krasnodar]

That is, poor coordination, and the fact that they rushed to Moscow is the policy of Natanyahu, who fought for "Russian" votes in Israel and wanted to show that he was doing everything he could to prevent a conflict with the Russian Federation. And you have not answered the question - what prevented the KP Khmeimim from instructing the Syrians to cease fire. So, I'm not fooling my head here

[ccsr]

Quote: Krasnodar

That is, poor coordination,

Yes, poor coordination with the Syrian air defense structures, if only because of the language barrier. Here you, a citizen of Israel, can easily communicate in Russian here, because it is native to you, and other Israelis or Syrians did not register here at all, even with automatic translation of texts.

Quote: Krasnodar

which prevented KP Khmeimim from ordering the Syrians to cease fire.

The fact that the Syrian air defense system is not subordinate to us - they only interact, and are responsible for fulfilling the tasks assigned to them by their leadership, and not the operational officer on duty at the Khmeimim base.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, poor coordination with the Syrian air defense structures, if only because of the language barrier. Here you, a citizen of Israel, can easily communicate in Russian here, because it is native to you, and other Israelis or Syrians did not register here at all, even with automatic translation of texts.

That is, it was difficult to keep a Russian-speaking Arab or an Arabic-speaking Russian in Khmeimim, and even more difficult to learn Stop Fire, Tayara Rusie Fil Latakia?

The fact that the Syrian air defense system is not subordinate to us - they only interact, and are responsible for fulfilling the tasks assigned to them by their leadership, and not the operational officer on duty at the Khmeimim base.

Since 2017, there should have been integration between the Russian and Syrian air defense, apparently, something went wrong

[ccsr]

Quote: Krasnodar

That is, it was difficult to keep a Russian-speaking Arab or an Arabic-speaking Russian in Khmeimim,

And they most likely keep an Arab there, some graduate from our academy. Although our Arabist can also sit there, having a diploma of a military translator.

Quote: Krasnodar

Since 2017, there should have been integration between the Russian and Syrian air defense, apparently, something went wrong

What I don’t know, I don’t know, but I remember how a plane without a pilot flew through the GSVG and fell in Belgium, so our group air defense did not detect it, but intelligence, intercepting the NATO negotiations, recorded this fact. But they did not believe her, and then they bitterly regretted when debriefing began. So everything can go wrong, even though they spoke the same language ...

[Krasnodar]

And they most likely keep an Arab there, some graduate from our academy. Although our Arabist can also sit there, having a diploma of a military translator.

Here I am about the same

What I don’t know, I don’t know, but I remember how a plane without a pilot flew through the GSVG and fell in Belgium, so our group air defense did not detect it, but intelligence, intercepting the NATO negotiations, recorded this fact. But they did not believe her, and then they bitterly regretted when debriefing began. So everything can go wrong, even though they spoke the same language ..

A mess typical of any army in the world

[Poschli]

Konashenkov - anti-Semitic sentiments - I am Russian - I cried

[tlauicol]

Well, shake it down

Quote: Poschli

Konashenkov - anti-Semitic sentiments - I am Russian - I cried

Yes, I am Russian, and as a patriot I wish the perpetrators to be punished, and not to receive new positions.

[Poschli]

Ambrose Bierce, American, wrote in his Dictionary of Satan:
Patriot noun - One who prefers the interests of the part to the interests of the whole ...
Patriotism noun - Flammable trash ready to be ignited by the torch of any ambitious person who wants to immortalize his name.
Dr. Johnson's famous vocabulary defines patriotism as the villain's last resort. Without the slightest doubt in the competence of this highly learned (albeit inferior to us) lexicographer, we dare to call this refuge the first ...

[Poschli]

Gentlemen!
Ambrose Gwyneth Beers has died more than a hundred years ago, but if you feel like it, visit the grave of A. Beers and reprimand the tombstone.
Ambrose Gwinnett Bierce (born June 24, 1842 - perhaps December 26, 1913 or January 11, 1914?) - American writer, journalist, author of humorous and "scary" stories.
A participant in the American Civil War (1861-1865), Ambrose Bierce was distinguished by a kind of reporter's harshness, intransigence and straightforwardness, which appeared not only in his articles and essays, but also in fiction and poetry. Because of this, he earned the nickname "Ruthless Bierce"

[lucul]

I am Russian. Live in Russia

But all thoughts and thoughts are only about Israel, and in all articles about Israel on VO you meet and drown exclusively for Israel.
He is Russian, yeah.))))

[tlauicol]

Quote: lucul

I am Russian. Live in Russia

But all thoughts and thoughts are only about Israel, and in all articles about Israel on VO you meet and drown exclusively for Israel.
He is Russian, yeah.))))

L-logic! Are you an Arab, then?

[lucul]

L-logic! Are you an Arab, then?

Hmm ... and what am I drowning for the Arabs? )))))

[tlauicol]

Quote: lucul

L-logic! Are you an Arab, then?

Hmm ... and what am I drowning for the Arabs? )))))

You drown against the Jews in all articles where they write about them. Well, you're not a Nazi, are you? It means an Arab.
I'm drowning for the Russians. And for the punishment of the guilty, who got new positions for sure, and blamed everything on the eternally guilty in such cases

[And Us Rat]

Quote: lucul

Hmm ... and what am I drowning for the Arabs? )))))

You sacrifice objectivity by fitting the facts to the picture you want. And you call it "patriotism", although such an approach cannot be called anything other than "sabotage".
A true patriot seeks to improve his homeland, and not sweep the dirty linen under the carpet, throwing mud at others.
To look for the guilty is the lot of infantiles.

[askort154]

tlauicol of course I know, up to heights and speeds. and every minute. From our briefings. Have you forgotten?

I say that it is difficult for a person not connected with aviation to understand this provocation. Although on the flight plans in the briefing, everything is clear and understandable.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: askort154

I say that it is difficult for a person not connected with aviation to understand this provocation. Although on the flight plans in the briefing, everything is clear and understandable.

There are only two things that are not clear - what the plane was doing in a foreign air defense battle and why the Syrians were not given the order to cease fire until it appeared in the zone of destruction of the SAA air defense system until landing.

[zadorin1974]

Good Ivan. I have two questions for you: Are aviation flights in the conflict zone and the borders of the air defense zone of neighboring states coordinated in advance or everyone flies as he pleases? Did the Israeli military know that a Russian aircraft would be in the zone of their targets?

[tlauicol]

Quote: zadorin1974

Good Ivan. I have two questions for you: Are aviation flights in the conflict zone and the borders of the air defense zone of neighboring states coordinated in advance or everyone flies as he pleases? Did the Israeli military know that a Russian aircraft would be in the zone of their targets?

perhaps they knew. IL-20 was over Idlib. Bombed Latakia. The raid and the target was reported. How do they know that our generals will drive the plane to the slaughter for 23 minutes? By that time, already THREE TIMES the creation of a joint Syrian-Russian air defense had been announced. Did they communicate through messengers?
Counter question: did our VVS command know where the IL-20 was?

[zadorin1974]

Are Russian Aerospace Forces flying over Syria with transponders turned on or not? Do they coordinate their flights with the neighboring countries of the conflict or not? You yourself, Ivan, do you think Israel's air defense is at the level of Syria or an order of magnitude higher? Did it see our IL or not? The Israel Air Force planes were on the runway or in the air when the attack was announced and over what territory. The performance characteristics of our IL are comparable in speed and maneuverability to the Israeli Air Force fighters that participated in the attack? As you can see, questions begin to roll like a com. Accordingly, according to our command of the Aerospace Forces. At the expense of Eli, it knew perfectly well, but whether it could manage to get the IL out of the frame is a question. Only the lazy did not unsubscribe about the qualifications of the Syrian zinits.

[tlauicol]

IL-20 was on duty over Idlib for TEN minutes. Combustion wagon. Why drive him under missiles, and who then covered whom in this case? Did the Jews know that in the VKS people with brains out? Yes, even if they knew that there was sawdust in their heads, they hung under fire for 20 minutes, but why did they need this Il? And how could they have predicted the congenial plan of the VKS generals?
As for the setup, our command itself brought the guys there. with their own hands and brains - the same ones with which they created the joint air defense system (three times at that time)

[Dym71]

Quote: zadorin1974

Only the lazy did not unsubscribe about the qualifications of the Syrian zinits.

This does not remove the main blame from the Syrian air defense!
First of all, we are to blame, simply because these are our guys, followed by the Syrians, it was they who stuck a rocket into our plane, and not some Izya Katz, and only then we can ask the Israelis, responsibility should be distributed in this sequence, and they blow in our ears about Jewish cunning, as the primary evil.

[zadorin1974]

Good Andrei. That's me and really wants to figure it out for myself. And how they blow in my ears in 2000-2001, I lost my mind. At a fairly adult age, I rethought many things. Good day.

[Dym71]

Greetings, Alex!

Quote: zadorin1974

So I really want to figure it out for myself.

Our "partners" from Turkey, Syria, Israel have completely relaxed, we need to beat back, and then sort it out.

Quote: zadorin1974

In 2000-2001, I lost my mind how they were blowing in my ears. I rethought many things when I was quite an adult.

This is normal, but in this situation I do not understand why the emphasis is only on Jews, there are still Arabs soups.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dym71

This is normal, but in this situation I do not understand why the emphasis is only on Jews, there are still Arabs soups.

For me - the fault is exclusively on the KP Khmeimim. Arabs - what to take from them? A bunch of interference, put by the Israelis, no one gave the order to cease fire due to the entry of a Russian aircraft into the zone of destruction of their air defense system, and then suddenly they see something large and luminous on the screen - perhaps the aircraft is an Israeli source of electronic warfare equipment ... so they hit the only one, which was clearly discerned. Another thing is that a multi-engine turboprop aircraft on the radar screen differs from some kind of F-15, but this is already a question of the level of training of those whom Assad was able to recruit in air defense during the Civil War.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Dym71

and they blow in our ears about Jewish treachery

Who, purely out of good intentions, bomb a foreign country.

[Dym71]

Quote: Bad_gr

Who, purely out of good intentions, bomb a foreign country.

In the Arab-Israeli showdown, the Russians should not die, the rest is a big deal, even if they cut each other there.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Dym71

Russians should not die in the Arab-Israeli showdown,

So look at the root: there would have been no Israeli bombing of Syria - and ours would not have died. And you represent the Israelis as innocent sheep.

[Dym71]

Quote: Bad_gr

And you expose them as innocent sheep.

And here there are no, it is you, dear, who whitewash the allies, but I am writing that the demand is from all sides, and at the beginning from Syria, and only then from Israel!

[lucul]

Are Russian Aerospace Forces flying over Syria with transponders turned on or not? Do they coordinate their flights with the neighboring countries of the conflict or not? You yourself, Ivan, do you think Israel's air defense is at the level of Syria or an order of magnitude higher? Did it see our IL or not? The Israel Air Force planes were on the runway or in the air when the attack was announced and over what territory. The performance characteristics of our IL are comparable in speed and maneuverability to the Israeli Air Force fighters that participated in the attack?

What a zaborista chutzpah))))
Israeli planes do not fly into Syria so that it is not possible to hit them, but here it was that they flew, knowing that they would launch missiles in response. What happened, it remains only to fly past Il for the missile to re-aim at him.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: lucul

knowing that they will launch rockets in response, which is what happened, all that remains is to fly past Il

Far-fetched, and that's to put it mildly.
A version for the ignorant and fools who have not heard of methodology in general, and Occam's Razor in honesty.
“One should not multiply things unnecessarily”

[Disant]

The raid and the target was reported.

How do they know that our generals will drive the plane to the slaughter for 23 minutes?

1) the Israelis reported that will bomb the north - Idlib, so the Il-20 was given the command to leave. all recordings of negotiations are available.
2) further Israeli aircraft in a completely different area began rapprochement with the coast and began to strike with gliding bombs in the western province - in Latakia, at 21.51, the Syrians began to repel the attack and launched missile launches.
3) at 21.59 Israeli aircraft began to approach the coast again already in the IL-20 approach area, which before this helpfully for them was removed from the north of the country, where they wanted to bombard and no one interfered with them.
the Syrians re-started to repel the attack. at 22.02 the IL-20 was shot down.
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImrHwK5JZyw
briefing 0.25-6.35 sec

[tlauicol]

a simple question: the Israelis from this area could strike at Idlib, Damascus, Latakia, Tartus, Homs, Hama, etc ... What would have changed? Long-range air defense would still strike in the direction of Ф16 in this area. Even if they bombed Lebanon, Turkey or Cyprus. And what are our commanders doing ... they lead the board to the line of fire for 23 minutes. Not FROM fire, but UNDER fire. And then the briefings lead

[Disant]

Israelis from this area could strike at Idlib, Damascus, Latakia, Tartus, Homs, Hama, etc ... What would have changed?

I admire this madness.
As I understand you, an encore is being prepared.
this is already reasonable, but it will no longer change the current negative attitude towards Israel among many Russian citizens, even if a dozen other attacking Israeli fighters fall down.

[tlauicol]

bowed down? now straighten up and answer the question: where would the Syrians hit with distant air defense systems if the Jews were hanging west of Latakia? and was it worth it to send the board? or would the S-200 hit Idlib, Homs, Damascus, the Moon, Jupiter?

[Disant]

Where would the Syrians hit with distant air defense systems if the Jews were hanging west of Latakia?

if it WOULD - or WOULD sit on the belly in the nearest field, and the fighters WOULD go to eat the land right in neutral waters or whatever they are.
and nothing WOULD be farther, except for indignation - the attack drowned out, as it WOULD be repulsed. there is only one aggressor.
then briefingists WOULD be at the briefings and fought on the sites of alternative history.
sorry if rude

[Krasnodar]

the Israelis reported that they would bomb the north - Idlib, so the Il-20 was given the command to leave from there. all recordings of negotiations are available

Said North - Syria - Industrial area - Approach to attack the East of Cyprus.
Those. north of Khmeimim.
Another thing is that if it was said in Russian, then the Israeli woman could translate the first part of the phrase as Northern Syria, and at the Khmeimim command post they could decide that the Israelis decided to bomb the Turkamans.

then Israeli planes in a completely different area began to approach the coast and began to strike with gliding bombs in the western province - Latakia, at 21.51 the Syrians began to repel the attack and began launching missiles.
3) at 21.59, Israeli aircraft began to re-approach the coast already in the IL-20 approach area, which before that was helpfully removed for them from the north of the country, where they wanted to bombard and no one would interfere with them.
the Syrians re-started to repel the attack. at 22.02 the IL-20 was shot down.

The Israelis "repeatedly" approach each other only in one case - if the second / third wave of planes goes to the target.
The IL-20 reconnaissance aircraft could not interfere with anything when bombing ground targets.

[Disant]

The Israelis "repeatedly" approach each other only in one case - if the second / third wave of planes goes to the target.

why waves and half-waves - one plane is enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImrHwK5JZyw
.
briefing (with graphic data from locators) 4.20-5.00 sec video briefing - the Israeli (or allied) side switching on radio-electronic interference and attempt to re-attack in the IL-20 approach area for landing

[Krasnodar]

Yes, they were electronic warfare markers - modern aviation works differently. Konashenkov did not lie - there was simply no (God forbid there is now), the idea of ​​what really happened.
The weapon is high-precision.
The approaches replace the salvoes of false real and electronic targets mixed with high-precision ones.
Electronic warfare, in addition to "white noise", makes "a lot of aircraft" when the radar is "cleaned".
Another world, different aviation tactics, etc. Therefore, Norkin came to explain what was there.
I really do not like all this, the air defense of the Russian Federation should have a concept of countering air strikes in principle. He was not there in 2019, but from the briefing the NATO members understood what was really going on.

[Disant]

then the Israeli aircraft circled the coast for another 40 minutes, probably going to strike somewhere else.
.
QUESTION TO YOU - if something in someone's head was pissed off, where should they drive the IL-20 in horror, if no one in any negotiation centers and others could understand what was in that head? deep into the country it was necessary to drive an airplane and plant it in the desert - did the master suddenly decide to shoot?
plus to everything there were ships and aircraft with electronic warfare systems - after the first strike, electronic warfare means were switched on and communication was most likely broken - although this does not matter - in a few minutes the IL-20 could not have gone anywhere - it was already walking along the trajectory of the approach landing
.
cynicism is not the right word. this is some kind of ugly madness or something like that.

[Momento]

most likely the IL-20 just had a flight mission and no one changed it.
only a conspiracy lover can think that the command has deliberately set up their guys.

[Krasnodar]

then the Israeli aviation circled the coast for another 40 minutes, probably was going to strike somewhere else

This civilian traffic over Cyprus was mistaken for a circling 40 minutes, bombed aircraft.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: zadorin1974

Did the Israeli military know that the Russian side would be in the zone of their targets?

The whole nuance is that it was not there.
From a detailed analysis:

The F-16 loitering zone was located 90 km west of Latakia. The bombs were fired at 21.40. In about 7-10 minutes, the bombs reached their targets. Around this time, the commander of the Il-20 received, according to Konashenkov, an order to return to the Khmeimim airfield. At that moment he was located north of the airfield.
However, instead of landing, the Il-20, according to Figure 1, flew south and, having flown approximately 25 km east of the airfield, did not land. Instead he flew further south began to turn to the west and went out to sea for 25-30 km, that is, approached the Israeli group. Then he turned north and continued to approach the Israeli planes ...

Attention, question! FUCK? It's like running into a shooting range and starting to run between shooters and targets.
Here is one of two things, or the flight controller was bukhoy in the trash, or he specially brought the Il-20 under the fire of the S-200, so that he would be shot down.

[Momento]

most likely they were not up to the IL-20.

[Graz]

Russians have not forgotten anything, and if our special services have not yet taken revenge on you, they will certainly take away the lives of citizens of your state in the future

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Graz

the Russians have not forgotten anything, and if our special services have not taken revenge on you yet,

Why do you think you did not take revenge.
Russian special forces conducted Operation Bittersweet in Syria to search for the body of an Israeli tanker.
“Terrorists suddenly attacked Russian servicemen participating in the operation. One Russian officer was wounded. Despite this, Russia was ready to continue the operation, ”said Major General Igor Konashenkov, an official spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry.

You remain hostages of propaganda who want to continue the line of the USSR.
The USSR is long gone, but there are some in those years who were in the Central Committee of the VLKSM and were saturated with anti-Semitism, today they are in leading positions in various services and continue what they were taught.
And you, the victims of this deception.

[Lionnvrsk]

Some details have appeared

So-so news, about nothing!

[Bad thing]

Where are the details? Range, parameter, altitude, speed, missile consumption?

[Lech from Android.]

Journalists have nothing to do with it, the military cut off any significant information and journalists use what they have ... this tendency has become often observed.

[dedusik]

Naturally, the Law is the Law ©

[tlauicol]

Quote: askort154

why was the Il-20 plane directed to the firing sector? And flew there for a few minutes? Where is the logic?

And they "warned" in 1 minute, knowing that nothing can be changed.

and for 23 minutes the IL-20 was driven through a minefield. Did the Jews see everything (and 10 moves ahead), and even hypnotized our "commanders"? Didn't our people see anything?

[askort154]

tlahuicol..and 23 minutes IL-20 was driven through a minefield. Did the Jews see everything (and 10 moves ahead), and even hypnotized our "commanders"? Didn't our people see anything?

The Il-20 flew there on a regular basis, as the Jews knew. So they developed a provocation of "setting up Ila" for Syrian missiles. The fighters, waiting for the "Ila", "patrolled" in neutral waters 25 km away. And what is 25 km. for a fighter ?! Here they are in 1 minute and "warned", having entered the zone of destruction of the missile, but in the distance from the air defense - behind the "Ilo", they covered themselves with them.
An air defense missile, triggered by a greater "exposure" of the Ila than the fighter. The "set-up" was correctly calculated and executed.

[tlauicol]

Il-20 took off for TEN minutes to Idlib? And then go straight home? And did he do it regularly? Isn't it funny yourself? Have you watched Konashenkov's briefing yourself?
Well, the time of the strike, the time of the opening of air defense fire, the time of the Il's arrival in the zone, knock it out. 23 minutes. how can they hide behind? Two options: fly to Idlib and hide behind Il, or rely on the logic of the Air Force, which in half an hour will almost cover itself

[And Us Rat]

Quote: askort154

have developed a provocation of "setting up Ila" for Syrian missiles.

And what for? What's the benefit? What's the point? What is the strategic plan?

[region58]

Quote: askort154

An air defense missile, triggered by a greater "exposure" of the Ila than the fighter.

Are you saying that the Syrian air defense saw our IL, but nevertheless launched a missile? Or, if the IL appeared later, and they did not immediately see it, why did they not "remove the power" from the 5N62? The missiles would have gone to self-destruct. Or did the situation develop so quickly that they did not have time to do anything? But then the question of controlling the situation naturally arises:

Quote: Tlauicol

Didn't our people see anything?

PS The reflected signal from the propeller-driven aircraft cannot be confused with anything ...
PPS There is actually little information, despite all the briefings and statements. Well, it’s out of order for us ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: askort154

The Il-20 flew there on a regular basis, as the Jews knew. So they developed a provocation of "setting up Ila" for Syrian missiles. The fighters, waiting for the "Ila", "patrolled" in neutral waters 25 km away. And what is 25 km. for a fighter ?! Here they are in 1 minute and "warned", having entered the zone of destruction of the missile, but in the distance from the air defense - behind the "Ilo", they covered themselves with them.
An air defense missile, triggered by a greater "exposure" of the Ila than the fighter. The "set-up" was correctly calculated and executed.

Everything was simpler - the Israelis worked as usual. Slide from ultra-small, GBU-39 from supersonic, jamming and mid-range along the coast (including with the deployment of electronic warfare means "many planes"), home. On those dates, the Syrian offensive on Idlib was expected, which, due to Turkish protests, was later canceled. They expected NATO provocations. They did not have time to digest the warning of the Israelis a few minutes before the bombing, so they did not understand who was shooting - the French or who else (the slide and boom of the transition to the supersonic naval mugs, located not far from the French, could be mistaken for the launch of the CD). So they sent a scribe to see what was there. But the Syrian air defenses forgot to warn. It is quite possible that the electronic warfare marks were mistaken for Israeli fighters, I admit that the Israeli instead of North - Syria - industrial facility - attack call east of Cyprus translated into Russian, like Northern Syria, but no one canceled the approach to the attack east of Cyprus, analysts at the Khmeimim command post was not, and therefore the tragedy happened. Then they admitted that the 40-minute dependency of the Israelis was civilian traffic to Cyprus, but, in principle, Konashenkov said everything, as the Russians perceived - the Israelis warned late (a minute before the start of the attack, 9-10 before the defeat of targets), the electronic warfare marks were perceived, like an airplane that has detached itself from the group, etc.
And, in addition to the tragedy of the death of people, another sad fact was revealed - the lack of professionalism of Russian air defense personnel. I hope the internal army conclusions have been drawn.

[ultra]

You write nonsense, review the briefing of our MO.

[askort154]

You write nonsense, review the briefing of our MO.

He watched fake Israeli schemes on YouTube.

[tlauicol]

Quote: askort154

You write nonsense, review the briefing of our MO.

He watched fake Israeli schemes on YouTube.

Yes, you apparently did not even see it before the start - there Ko-v directly says how much time Il spent over Idlib, and when the attack began. What, even for a minute you are missing?

[ultra]

8 it says that the Jews reported one area of ​​the strike, and struck another.

[tlauicol]

Quote: ultra

8 it says that the Jews reported one area of ​​the strike, and struck another.

between the cities of Idlib and Latakia 80 km. Provinces generally border - 0 km. Both are in the northwest of the country. But for Konashenkov, Idlib is the north (he talks about it himself), and Latakia is no longer there. A dwarf state?
Let's say that Latakia is a pure west, the Jews cheated. Air defense opened fire. Where does the plane go in 23 minutes? Under fire. Or did Konashenkov and the Aerospace Forces all this time not know where the bombs were falling and where the Syrians were shooting for a lot of time (directly in the opposite direction from the Il-20)?
Of course, Konashenkov did not submit 80 pages of the Jewish report. The perpetrators have already been appointed, why read them?

[A. Privalov]

Well, you were clearly told that "The fighters, waiting for the "Ila", "patrolled" in neutral waters 25 km away. " You see, the fighters were patrolling! Podzhid ... they cheated poor Eli there. The rest is a matter of crooked handles and slanting eyes of the valiant Syrian missilemen, who began to shoot indiscriminately in all directions with fright, when they reached their positions, and the Israelis had already flown home ...
But the guys who died are a pity from the heart.
Blessed be the memory of them ...

[tlauicol]

the guys in Ila probably knew where and from where the Syrian crews were firing. Knew all this time while flying under fire. This is the saddest thing

[Shahno]

The story is dark .. It is clear that many with large stars "covered up" their tracks. Moreover, both from the side of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and from the side of Tsakhal. The rest is "fiction".
In 30 years we will find out when the defendants will retire. And I think many here will have to "blush" and be surprised.
Ps. IN 30 years from now ...

[Dym71]

Quote: Shahno

The story is dark .. It is clear that many with large stars "covered up" their tracks. Moreover, both from the side of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and from the side of Tsakhal.

Greetings Pavel, you are writing the case, but why don't you mention the Arabs? Are they saints there?

[Shahno]

They have not matured yet .. Children still, what to take from them. In matters of decision making.

[Dym71]

Quote: Shahno

They have not matured yet .. Children still, what to take from them. In matters of decision making.

Did you suspect about such a response from you, that is, the deliberate destruction of our aircraft as a provocation with the aim of a military conflict between the Russian Federation and Israel "children" are not capable of?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dym71

Did you suspect about such a response from you, that is, the deliberate destruction of our aircraft as a provocation with the aim of a military conflict between the Russian Federation and Israel "children" are not capable of?

I thought about it - it's too risky for Assad to play such games.

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

I thought about it - it's too risky for Assad to play such games.

Greetings!
Why only Assad? The ayatollahs of the special services are like uncut dogs.

[Krasnodar]

Greetings!
Only if after that, the calculations of the air defense missile system and the families of military personnel from Syria were immediately evacuated

[TatarinSSSR]

An article to raise the level of patriotism for Russian-made armaments ... Or rather, "one grandmother said."

[Irek]

It is necessary to slam on the territory where these "model aircraft" are concentrated.

[A. Privalov]

Apparently the Syrians do not know anything about this publication.
For more than thirty years of my residence in BV, I have become well acquainted with the mentality of our neighbors.
After such an extraordinary event, the Arabs would definitely show photos of the wreckage of the drone in a heap of tribal media, dozens of testimonies of the event would be published - one more truthful than the other. People would take to the streets, sing and dance, hand out sweets and fruits. In the midst of the celebration, their leaders would distribute awards, ranks and titles to those who distinguished themselves on the air ...
And so, this is just an advertisement from a Russian rear admiral who has taken on a completely unfamiliar and unusual business:

Syria has once again confirmed the combat effectiveness of air defense systems produced by Russian enterprises. On Wednesday evening, the deputy head of the Center for the Reconciliation of Warring Parties, Rear Admiral Vadim Kulit, reported on the exact blow that the calculations of the local army inflicted on the drone from the Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile and cannon system.

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[askort154]

A. Privalov ...
For more than thirty years of my residence in BV,

Why are you "shy" to write directly - the period of my residence in Israel. More than 30 years in Israel, and "sit" on the VO? Nostalgia for the USSR, or extra money?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: askort154

A. Privalov ...
For more than thirty years of my residence in BV,

Why are you "shy" to write directly - the period of my residence in Israel. More than 30 years in Israel, and "sit" on the VO? Nostalgia for the USSR, or extra money?

Am I shy? Probably here you are the only one who does not know that I live in Israel. (32 years)
And I "sit", as you put it on VO, in order to tell those interested about what is happening far away from Russia, after all, I have it almost under my window, and for one thing I get vaccinated against nostalgia. So that suddenly, do not bring the L-rd, it would not be pulled back.
Well, and extra earnings, how can you do without it? Now, with the money of the State Department, I am completing the construction of the fifth villa on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: A. Privalov

And I "sit", as you put it on VO, in order to tell those interested about what is happening far away from Russia, after all, I have it almost under my window, and for one thing I get vaccinated against nostalgia. So that suddenly, do not bring the L-rd, it would not be pulled back.
Well, and extra earnings, how can you do without it? Now, already with the money of the State Department, I am completing the construction of the fifth villa on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea

Respect and respect!

[ccsr]

Quote: A. Privalov

Probably here you are the only one who does not know that I live in Israel. (32 years)

And what prevented you from adapting for 32 years there so as to forever forget about the old Motherland, its language and not push the thought of your philanthropy to us? Well, don't tell me your tales, I'm a year older than you, and I know perfectly well why you are holding on to Russia, because I'm 99% sure that these are purely mercantile interests. Those who have broken with Russia forever do not seem to be here - believe me, I am well acquainted with those Jews who sometimes come from Israel. And all of them are united by some "small" details that are available in Russia - housing, dacha, pension or income, which instead of them receive their relatives living here.
Well, finally admit that you, a resident of the second capital, with connections in the scientific environment of the former Leningrad, find yourself in some kind of Israeli hole and consider it the height of wisdom in your declining years, at least it is stupid.
In your version of everyday anti-Semitism, and even in Leningrad, I will never believe - you are a typical sausage emigrant, and to this day it is nostalgia that makes you visit this forum every day to show what a misfortune for Russia that you left St. Petersburg 32 years ago.
I am sure that you constantly curse yourself for that rash step, especially now that life in Russia is much richer, safer and more interesting than in the Promised Land, and you perfectly understand this. I don’t know about the position of your children, most likely they are also no better off than they would be living in St. Petersburg now.
In general, do not consider everyone here as naive and stupider than you - we also learned something in this life.

[Shahno]

// with connections in the scientific community of the former Leningrad, to be in some Israeli hole and to consider it the height of wisdom in the declining years is at least stupid. //
You really think Gush is a hole ... By historical monuments? By GDP per capita? By the level of development of innovations and technologies? By life expectancy? By fertility? I think so, and Moscow will not yield ...
Or so ... Listen to the stories of those who have unsuccessfully adapted with us.
It's just a matter of taste, someone chooses TA, and someone Peter.

[ccsr]

Quote: Shahno

This is you really-Gush given a hole you think ...

In general, I think the whole of Israel is a hole, where a normal person who grew up in the USSR is unlikely to want to live.

Quote: Shahno

I think so, and Moscow will not yield ...

You are clearly not saying this because of the great knowledge of our life - even foreigners who come to the capital now, consider that this is one of the best cities on the globe. But what kind of Tel Aviv my friends told me, who grew up in Soviet times in Gomel or Berdichev - they say this spirit is still hovering there ...

Quote: Shahno

Or so ... Listen to the stories of those who have unsuccessfully adapted with us.

And why should I listen to your lies, especially since I do not know you, and I know those with whom I communicate for several decades, and I trust them more than you.

[Dym71]

With a soul forked like a hoof
I am alien to both of the fatherland -
a Jew where the anti-Semites are raging,
and Russian, where they sin with Zionanism.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: A. Privalov

Probably here you are the only one who does not know that I live in Israel. (32 years)

And what prevented you from adapting for 32 years there so as to forever forget about the old Motherland, its language and not push the thought of your philanthropy to us? Well, don't tell me your tales, I'm a year older than you, and I know perfectly well why you are holding on to Russia, because I'm 99% sure that these are purely mercantile interests. Those who have broken with Russia forever do not seem to be here - believe me, I am well acquainted with those Jews who sometimes come from Israel. And all of them are united by some "small" details that are available in Russia - housing, dacha, pension or income, which instead of them receive their relatives living here.
Well, finally admit that you, a resident of the second capital, with connections in the scientific environment of the former Leningrad, find yourself in some kind of Israeli hole and consider it the height of wisdom in your declining years, at least it is stupid.
In your version of everyday anti-Semitism, and even in Leningrad, I will never believe - you are a typical sausage emigrant, and to this day it is nostalgia that makes you visit this forum every day to show what a misfortune for Russia that you left St. Petersburg 32 years ago.
I am sure that you constantly curse yourself for that rash step, especially now that life in Russia is much richer, safer and more interesting than in the Promised Land, and you perfectly understand this. I don’t know about the position of your children, most likely they are also no better off than they would be living in St. Petersburg now.
In general, do not consider everyone here as naive and stupider than you - we also learned something in this life.

Usually, as you remember, I try not to communicate with you. You always try to accuse me of something, to convict me of something, as if I owed you something, or promised and did not fulfill.

There is nothing to be done, he lived in the USSR for almost 36 years. I can't forget the language. Although, I began to make many mistakes. But I use it effectively. Local anti-Semites in VO are clacking their teeth at me and coming out with hatred, although I haven’t raised any acute topics for a long time, I don’t argue over nonsense and I don’t quarrel over trifles. But all the same, I am grateful to them from the bottom of my heart, for the reason indicated above.

Philanthropy? What are you talking about? I wrote, especially for people like you, that I live and despise on the money of the State Department. Has it become easier for you?

It is worse with "small details".
I worked gloriously for ridiculous money for the benefit of building developed socialism. Almost 20 years of work experience (I started working at the age of 16) remained as a gift to your Pension Fund. I have already earned my old-age pension here.
I didn’t make summer cottages there. You have no relatives of mine left, colleagues and friends almost all died, one brother-soldier is still alive. In Tatarstan.
Nobody had ever heard of the privatization of apartments in 1989. I returned the apartment to the ZhEK, and even paid, I don’t remember, 500 rubles, for some imaginary repair that the ZhEK would allegedly do there after my departure. So it’s not even necessary to talk about the incomes of some fictitious ones.
And for deprivation of citizenship, for each family member in the OVIR for 600 rubles. (I remember this amount well) Otherwise, they wouldn’t be released without it. Well, and "suitcase-station", as they say. I went to my Israel. So, since then, for everything else that you did there, make claims only against yourself.

I don’t understand how you got me connected with Peter.
I am connected with him only the defense of a thesis in one of the institutes and quite frequent business trips. I had to travel pretty well across the country.

As for the children, they are free people. Today, they decide for themselves what is better for them and what is worse. They are already big. They grew up, learned, work, created families, gave me grandchildren ...
With study and housing, I helped them as best I could - I paid what was needed, while I was working, I had such an opportunity. Now, all by yourself. Glory to Gd, they don't look into dad's hands.

Everything else, as usual, your fantasies and artistic whistle on a given topic. But for you, as an elderly person, such grumbling is forgivable.

[ccsr]

Quote: A. Privalov

Usually, as you remember, I try not to communicate with you.

This is natural because your noodles don't stick to my ears.

Quote: A. Privalov

I worked gloriously for ridiculous money for the benefit of building developed socialism. Almost 20 years of work experience (I started working at the age of 16) remained as a gift to your Pension Fund.

Again, they started rigging, as if you did not know that in the USSR only servicemen could retire after 20 calendar years, and all the rest had to work at least 25 years of experience, and even then they were assigned a pension much later. Why are you moaning about the pension fund if you have not worked out the established length of service, especially since you used social benefits like everyone else?

Quote: A. Privalov

Nobody had ever heard of the privatization of apartments in 1989. I returned the apartment to the housing office, and even paid, I don’t remember, 500 rubles?

This practice even existed in military camps - you rent out housing either in a renovated form, or pay for cosmetic repairs. Why should there be a different attitude towards you, an emigrant?

Quote: A. Privalov

And for deprivation of citizenship, for each family member in the OVIR for 600 rubles.

It was the law of the country, similar existed even in Israel, for those emigrants who did not want to stay there and left for another country. Or did you not have such a thing, and you can only make claims to the USSR?

Quote: A. Privalov

I don’t understand how you got me connected with Peter.

Well, you yourself told something about your connections with this city, so I decided that you lived in it. And now I realized that if you lived there, you would definitely not have moved to Israel.

Quote: A. Privalov

Everything else, as usual, your fantasies and artistic whistle on a given topic.

You have not answered why for 32 years you have not assimilated at least to the level of communicating with your new compatriots, and not looking for an outlet in the Russian-speaking military forum. So what happened if you don't have nostalgia for your statement? It seems to me that you are simply dissembling, since, according to your statement, no one pays for it. Something is wrong here, and it's obvious to me ...

Quote: A. Privalov

But for you, as an elderly person, such grumbling is forgivable.

I am forgiven because I see how a bunch of Russophobes from Israel vilify my Motherland and my history - someone openly, someone in a veiled form, but you have one goal, and I know it perfectly. Only here you, old man, why you got involved in this business - what motivates you, I would like to understand. There is no need to fill in about the Russian language - you have a lot of those in Israel who speak Russian, some do not even know Hebrew, and even TV channels in Russian are broadcast, so this excuse will not work. So what is it?

[A. Privalov]

Well, here you go again for yours. And then you are not so and this is not a commercial.
All of you Russophobes around, whine that they do not like you.
And I love you, you remind me of my head of the First Department. He also got me to the liver, until I sent it in plain text. Although, it was not convenient. An elderly man, honored, honestly did his job. But I cannot understand what you are coveting, but I am not very striving either.

But now he has been gone for a long time, both the USSR and Soviet socialism have fallen asleep, I have gone far, but I continue to wave my hand at you, whether you like it or not.
Be healthy and happy for me.

[ccsr]

Quote: A. Privalov

And I love you, you remind me of my head of the First Department.

I am glad that you remember him - it was not in vain that he looked at the root ...

Quote: A. Privalov

But I cannot understand what you are coveting, but I am not very striving either.

The same as you. You tell us how wonderful Israel and its citizens are, and how bad everything is in Russia. On the contrary, I argue that in Russia almost everything is fine and citizens in the first place, but the Israelis, former citizens of the USSR, cannot be trusted, because they are still gnawing at the sadness that the Russian pension fund has not paid them something over the years. work in the USSR.

Quote: A. Privalov

But now he has been gone for a long time, both the USSR and Soviet socialism have fallen asleep, I have gone far, but I continue to wave my hand at you, whether you like it or not.

And why is this monkey labor, as if someone here is trying to move to Israel? Your motivation looks ridiculous - haven’t you just pulled a pen in five years on this forum? And how many VO readers followed you to Israel - do you keep statistics, by chance, for reporting?

Quote: A. Privalov

Be healthy and happy for me.

And all the best to you, the third you are our wisest king ...

[Krasnodar]

now that life in Russia is much richer, safer and more interesting than on the Promised Land,

??
It is more interesting and safer for a normative person to be in Israel.
An abnormal person like me is here. But not safer.
Saturated? For a skilled worker from Israel to visit twice a year abroad is quite normal, and one of the trips, a long one, somewhere in the States, Canada, Australia.

By GDP per capita? By the level of development of innovations and technologies? By life expectancy? By fertility? I think so, and Moscow will not yield ...

Exceeds. It's just that in Moscow you can, living only in this city and working only for its population, make pretty good money. In Israel, for the same you need to work for other countries.

[askort154]

tlahuicol ..Of course, Konashenkov did not submit 80 pages of the Jewish report. The perpetrators have already been appointed, why read them?

Only the deaf and blind do not know how the Jews know how to "make excuses". And you here, a Jewish troll, are trying to "reason" with us.

[tlauicol]

Quote: askort154

tlahuicol ..Of course, Konashenkov did not submit 80 pages of the Jewish report. The perpetrators have already been appointed, why read them?

How the Jews know how to "make excuses", only the deaf and blind do not know:

where? has the report been published in our press? read by Konashenkov? or ignored?

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

The Syrian crew began shelling targets - Israeli fighters, which actually covered themselves with a Russian military aircraft.

Is that what Konoshenko said?
The Israeli delegation informed the Minister of Oborod about something completely different. By the time the Syrian S-200 launched, Israeli fighters were landing at their airfields.

[Cynic]

details of the destruction of the drone

What are these, what is shot down? MEDIA...
Here is the most basic detail, than shot down. If with cannon fire, this is one thing, if with a rocket or missiles, this is another.
If anything, shooting down a UAV with missiles is money down the drain, you shouldn't be like your neighbor ...

[Cheldon]

Quote: Tlauicol

Quote: zadorin1974

Good Ivan. I have two questions for you: Are aviation flights in the conflict zone and the borders of the air defense zone of neighboring states coordinated in advance or everyone flies as he pleases? Did the Israeli military know that a Russian aircraft would be in the zone of their targets?

perhaps they knew. IL-20 was over Idlib. Bombed Latakia. The raid and the target was reported. How do they know that our generals will drive the plane to the slaughter for 23 minutes? By that time, already THREE TIMES the creation of a joint Syrian-Russian air defense had been announced. Did they communicate through messengers?
Counter question: did our VVS command know where the IL-20 was?

Read it. And don't fool yourself.
https://www.kp.ru/daily/26885.5/3929341/

[Shahno]

Quote: Shahno

// with connections in the scientific community of the former Leningrad, to be in some Israeli hole and to consider it the height of wisdom in the declining years is at least stupid. //
You really think Gush is a hole ... By historical monuments? By GDP per capita? By the level of development of innovations and technologies? By life expectancy? By fertility? I think so, and Moscow will not yield ...
Or so ... Listen to the stories of those who have unsuccessfully adapted with us.
It's just a matter of taste, someone chooses TA, and someone Peter.

Well, it didn't work., Anything can happen.

[apricot]

That, finally, the shells have learned to knock them down (?), Otherwise all Buki, yes Buki ...
(a couple of years ago, it seems, there was an article on VO about the hasty transfer of Buks to Syria to combat drones, because the shell screwed up)

[Silinvv]

He was engaged in helicopters and quadrics for several years. I do not take into account toys from DJI and others for children with Ali. In terms of range, if we take a TV transmitter with a signal amplifier, then the comrades had a record of 43 km, on a model airplane. A quadric or even more so a helicopter will not fly that much. Those. at 43 km, the video signal is finally cut. As a TV engineer, I can say that 43 km for a TV broadcast is very worthy. But we must not forget that the drone still has control. The basic one is that on hoobyking it works via wifi (not a protocol, but a frequency), so a wifi transmitter is suitable, but more than 40 km cannot be broken through either. Communication by mobile phone does not work here either, since there is a very long delay. Who has tried it - it is impossible to control. We need a direct fast channel. You can transmit a signal from the ground, you can transmit it from a drone - there is not enough power and the size of the antenna negates aerodynamics. In short, my opinion is that 99% of the drone was launched from behind a nearby bush. within 10 km. Such a drone, even with the ability to carry grenades or similar discharge charges, is easy to assemble. And the price will be around $ 600. For everything.

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L-logic! Are you an Arab, then?

Hmm ... and what am I drowning for the Arabs? )))))

You drown against the Jews in all articles where they write about them. Well, you're not a Nazi, are you? It means an Arab.
I'm drowning for the Russians. And for the punishment of the guilty, who got new positions for sure, and blamed everything on the eternally guilty in such cases

In fact, it is purely a Yiddish trick to hang up on a criticizing label of a Nazi or an anti-Semite. Is that so if what?