Donbass authorities react to statements from Kiev about the need to seize Donetsk and Luhansk by force

Deputy of the People's Council of the DPR Miroslav Rudenko reacted to the words of the former Deputy Minister for the Temporarily Occupied Territories Yuri Grymchak, who called for a military offensive against the Republic. According to the Donetsk representative, Kiev will break off its teeth on Donbass if it decides on a military operation.

The deputy expressed this opinion to the Russian edition Gazeta.ru.

He noted that the position of the Kiev authorities in relation to the DPR and LPR has not changed since 2014. Both then and now, Ukraine seeks to force the inhabitants of the republics to obey, and they did not intend to comply with the Minsk agreements.

In fact, they dream about a power scenario, to break all those who disagree through the knee.

- said the deputy.

In his opinion, such methods led to the uprising in the Donbass. After all, the people who staged a coup d'etat in Kiev, despite the democratic slogans, never recognized that Lugansk and Donetsk have the right to their own point of view, which runs counter to the "general line".

Earlier, the former Deputy Minister for the Temporarily Occupied Territories of Ukraine Yuri Grymchak expressed the opinion that the participation of Donbass residents in voting in the elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation is a sign that Russia intends to annex this territory to its own. Based on this, he called on the authorities to seize the DPR and LPR by force.

Comments

[hrych]

After the meeting of Biden and Putin at the new "Potstdam conference", as well as after the meeting of Biden with Kantslerin, hysteria in Ukraine, they came up with a threat to New Russia. The Ukrainian question has already been resolved, although the Svidomo themselves are not yet aware of it.

[Wahmister 1970]

And how do you see it?

[hrych]

I see a phased plan.

[Wahmister 1970]

Would you like to voice it?

[knn54]

The sergeant major will most likely be LOCAL offensives of the Armed Forces in order to capture positions or even settlements.
-The population will be presented as "Peremogu".
-In this case, the likelihood of Russian interference will be minimal.

[Wahmister 1970]

"Toad Jumping" has already happened. Most likely there will be a freeze of the conflict.
as such are not needed. The Russian Federation needs a pro-Russian enclave inside Ukraine (it is not for nothing that Putin said that Donbass is Ukraine) to pursue its policy

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Corrupt bribe Grymchak voiced the dreams and desires of the frostbitten part of the population of Ukraine - the vassal USA and the current government of Ukraine loyal to the West, radical Nazi Bandera, lackeys and sycophants of the West - "European integrators" - horses - about power grip Donbass, LDNR regardless of the accompanying large bloody losses of the population of Donbass. Time passes, but the desires of the bloodthirsty, cruel Bandera people remain unchanged. And although they are a minority of the population of Ukraine, they, unfortunately, today rule Ukraine ...

[hrych]

The key word is dismemberment.

[Wahmister 1970]

Dismemberment was possible in 14, not now

[hrych]

Already dismembered and will continue to dismember. Russia took the Crimea, and taking into account the fencing and the LDNR. The West will also ask the left bank to take on the balance of Russia. He will ask you not to feed everything yourself.

[suhorukofal]

I will add that Poland and Hungary are also not indifferent to some territories, they are directly very indifferent.

[hrych]

More Romania and Slovakia

[suhorukofal]

Interesting. Poland and Hungary have already taken concrete steps, and everyone is aware of their appetites. And how did Romania and Slovakia excel?

[hrych]

Romania even sued Ukraine over borders at the UN International Court of Justice in The Hague. A kind of trial balloon. Slovaks use the Rusyn factor. Several years ago, Ukrainian nationalist deputy Yuriy Sirotyuk accused Poland of wanting to take Galicia from Ukraine, Hungary - Transcarpathia, Romania - Bukovina, and stated that an attack was almost inevitable.

[suhorukofal]

I wonder how, I didn't even know about the trial. And in such a situation, Ukraine decided to conflict with the strongest neighbor, which has also helped for years, on which the country depends most of all. In my opinion, this state is killing itself, the main thing is to believe that NATO is not far off.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: hrych

Romania even sued Ukraine over borders at the UN International Court of Justice in The Hague.

Quote: suhorukofal

I wonder how, I didn't even know about the trial.

.... On February 3, in The Hague, the litigation around the Black Sea island of Serpents, which had been waged by Ukraine and Romania for several years, ended. In fact, the dispute was about the division of the continental shelf, oil and gas fields discovered in this area. And Ukraine actually lost this dispute. She managed, however, to assert her rights to the island itself (and to confirm its status as an island, which Romania disputed). However, a significant part of the gas and oil reserves went to Romania ...

[Wahmister 1970]

I am embarrassed to ask why, apart from political goals, wars are fought in the 21st century, and where are the natural resources of Ukraine mainly located?
So don't dream

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: hrych

I see a phased plan.

and at how many stages will Donbass become Ukrainian? After all, Putin said - Donbass is Ukraine!

[suhorukofal]

And Putin and Poroshenko signed the Minsk agreements, according to which Donbass will be Ukrainian. Only she herself does not want something that he would be like that. If we would like Donbass to join us, we have fulfilled the agreements, you see, we don’t want to ourselves. What's the problem? You just need to fulfill the agreements signed by, the actions of Ukrainian politicians perfectly show the vector of their aspirations

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: suhorukofal

And Putin and Poroshenko signed the Minsk agreements

And Khrushch also gave Crimea to Ukraine ..... the question was not for you, and in a slightly different plane !!

[suhorukofal]

Do you have anything to say on the subject of agreements and their non-fulfillment? The question was exactly in the plane of Putin's obligations and his words regarding Donbass, there is no need to fantasize about Crimea.
About whom the question is, please forgive me that I did not bow and did not deign to ask your generous permission, this is your personal conversation and you have not wedged in anywhere.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: suhorukofal

Do you have anything to say on the subject of agreements and their non-fulfillment?

Quote: hrych

The Ukrainian question has already been resolved, although the Svidomye themselves are not yet aware of it.

Quote: Sandor Clegane

I see a phased plan.

and at how many stages will Donbass become Ukrainian? After all, Putin said - Donbass is Ukraine!

clear? or not, what question is not asked to YOU!

[suhorukofal]

You are clearly having problems with reading comprehension. I did not answer your question, I said that you have arguments about anything. You would really like to beat yourself on the head in a set emoticon in order to understand what it is about. Your arguments in the spirit of "Putin said" are pure demagoguery, there are official agreements, documents, and we must build on them. Putin said a lot of things, do you believe everything they say?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: suhorukofal

from them and it is necessary to make a start.

so push off and jump, what's stopping you then? Jump to Donetsk and join!

Quote: suhorukofal

Putin said a lot of things, do you believe everything they say?

I won't believe you one iota, but Putin is our president and you assert that he is a liar?

[suhorukofal]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

so push off and jump, what's stopping you then? Jump to Donetsk and join!

Quote: Sandor Clegane

I won't believe you one iota, but Putin is our president and you assert that he is a liar?

With such a manner of conducting a conversation, the school would be the main humorist.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

And Khrushch also gave Crimea to Ukraine ..... the question was not for you, and in a slightly different plane !!

NOT to Ukraine, but to the Ukrainian SSR to a republic in the composition of the Soviet Union. And Ukraine and from time immemorial did not exist in those days.

[hrych]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

at how many stages will Donbass become Ukrainian?

The stage passed through the boilers of the APU, including the extreme boiler of this spring, when the strike group of the APU was taken into the boiler without crossing the border. There is a de facto and de jure concept. De jure does not mean anything, but de facto it means everything. The fencing of the LDNR de facto makes the citizens of the LDNR, the citizens of Russia, and their place of residence is ours. And Putin said that he would protect the LPNR and drove an army for the slow-witted.

[Wahmister 1970]

Don't be ridiculous, what prevented you from doing this earlier and including the LPNR in the Russian Federation.
I repeat, at the moment the LDNR needs the Russian Federation as part of Ukraine to carry out its policy, in the future, the whole of Ukraine is needed. Note not only the territory, but also the loyal population

[hrych]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

what prevented you from doing this earlier and including the LPNR into the Russian Federation

Battle with the West for Jabal Nafti. Maidan was organized for this, but we lost Crimea. To stop the Syrian Express. tried to unleash a war between Russia and Turkey, as a result they lost control over Turkey. They wanted to knock out from Armenia, but Karabakh went to Russia. And in the end they decided to overthrow Old Man, but got the end of transit through the Balts, which finally sat on the neck of EU donors.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: hrych

And Putin said he would protect the LPR

of course he said, I heard it, as well as the fact that Donbass is Ukraine, although people there do not consider themselves to be them

[Marachuh]

I see a prenistrian scenario. America needs constant pain near Russia, and Russia does not need Ukraine in NATO. Now in Ukraine they will wipe up especially zealous, Natsik and thugs. And there will be such a "European country" like the Baltics and Poland. They will yapping at Russia and stinking. Donbass will switch to Russian passports and eventually there will be something like Abkhazia. You can travel with a Russian passport, but it seems like a sovereign state.

[Wahmister 1970]

Here our opinions coincide completely.
I will add - not recognized.
It was not for nothing that Ze launched a test bullet on the referendum on the fate of the LDNR

[kot423]

Quote: Marachuh

Donbass will switch to Russian passports and eventually there will be something like Abkhazia.

Quote: Wahmister 1970

I will add - not recognized.

Learn materiel. Abkhazia recognized by Russia

[Ulrich]

It was probably all the same about the world community and not about Russia. Abkhazia was recognized by Russia and a couple of other countries and that's it, in the rest of the world (the majority) Abkhazia is not recognized ...

[kot423]

Quote: Ulrih

It was probably all the same about the world community and not about Russia.

Absolutely violet for Abkhazia. It was recognized by a permanent member of the UN Security Council (Russia), therefore, in international legal status, it is considered recognized

[poquello]

Quote: Ulrih

It was probably all the same about the world community and not about Russia

the same "world community" is a vague concept and Russia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Nauru and Syria are the world community, otherwise someone is trying to put a paw on the concept of "world community"

[Wahmister 1970]

You understood correctly

[Wahmister 1970]

Smiled. How about the UN? Except for the Russian Federation, not a single republic of the former USSR recognized

[kot423]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

How about the UN?

I wrote above what you should do. Keep smiling.
Py.Sy. And about the UN, you do not blurt out this to the chosen ones, because Israel is not recognized by the 19 UN members.

[poquello]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

Smiled. How about the UN?

Quote: poquello

Russia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Nauru and Syria

members of the United Nations, smile

[suhorukofal]

Laughter for no reason is not desirable. If not laughing, then there are many unrecognized territories in the world, which in no way stops their actual existence. And in this situation, this does not play any role at all, there is a common border with Russia, which is ready to lend a helping hand, there are passports, that's enough. What will give these territories recognition?

[Wahmister 1970]

Let's not pathos. In Abkhazia, North Ossetia, LDNR, the Russian Federation is solving its own problems and this task is by no means helping the "oppressed", but preventing Georgia and Ukraine from joining NATO. Everything else is talk in favor of the poor

[suhorukofal]

What other non-joining NATO, what other solution to the tasks of the Russian Federation? Do you even know what you're talking about? Yes, and North Ossetia with South Ossetia must be contrived. By the way, one journalist from Ukraine distinguished herself by this, are you from there? That would explain a lot. Georgia's conflict with these territories began long before the thought of joining this organization - immediately after the collapse of the USSR and its history is quite bloody, I heard how and what the Georgians arranged there, you can ask the Russians who lived in Georgia at that time. Or do you not know what was going on then in the republics? This is not my pathos, here is your complete misunderstanding of what you are talking about.

[Wahmister 1970]

I was wrong about North Ossetia, I admit. In the heat of a dispute, anything can happen. I remember the history of the post of the USSR, I still don't suffer from marasmus.
According to the administrative-territorial division (later the state border), both Abkhazia and South Ossetia were part of Georgia. An unresolved territorial dispute, and not only, prevented Georgia from joining NATO, which she wanted to resolve by force.
solved its problems, including preventing the emergence of NATO bases near its borders. Protection of the population of Tskhinvali and the peacekeepers is a pretext, so to speak, a legal justification for the intervention. That's why I say that these are conversations in favor of the poor.

[suhorukofal]

What other talk in favor of the poor? This is your inappropriate statement about Russia's intervention for NATO. In the 90s, Russia arranged this conflict, then already made an insidious plan? I have the feeling that I am talking in a Ukrainian who sees the hand of the Kremlin everywhere. In Georgia, a bloody massacre took place for non-Georgians in the 90s, this is not at all a territorial dispute. Conversations along the border are about nothing at all, there were almost ethnic cleansing there. Had heard enough from those who were there, they set up a branch of hell. Therefore, I fully understand Russia's help and I consider your words about "talking in favor of the poor", about pathos, to put it mildly, absurd. Some kind of frivolous conversation about the state border, one must not understand at all what the situation was there to assert such. I am not saying that the NATO problem does not play any role here, but it is clearly not fundamental, as you pointed out.
For you, the conflict on the territory of the LPR also seems to be a territorial dispute? Is everything arranged again in spite of joining NATO?

[Wahmister 1970]

You will break away from personal preferences and pretend you are playing chess.
And yes, I am Ukrainian (not to be confused with Bandera), and yes, I believe that the LDNR was created by the Russian Federation (Strelkov and Co. raid) to divert attention from Crimea

[ANB]

... yes, I believe that the LDNR was created by the Russian Federation (Strelkov and Co. raid) to divert attention from Crimea

Where are such conclusions from?
And I think that it was not profitable for the Russian Federation to distract attention from Crimea through the war in Donbass. And Strelkov is an amateur performance.

[suhorukofal]

Why are you asking him where, do you know the rhetoric of the Ukrainian media?

[Wahmister 1970]

The same, in the same place.
I recognize Soloviev's and Skabey's rhetoric, whose names have already become a household name in the field of propaganda

[suhorukofal]

This very rhetoric - whoever disagrees is Skabeeva, Soloviev and Kiselev. These are some idols of Ukrainians, they see them everywhere

[Wahmister 1970]

Just like you see some "Bandera".

[Wahmister 1970]

Amateur?
It's pointless to argue.

[ANB]

... Amateur?
It's pointless to argue.

Right. Don't argue with me. Because I'm right.

[suhorukofal]

And this has nothing to do with personal preferences. Unfortunately, the look of a modern Ukrainian is very noticeable and characteristic. Especially on the remark about the territory of Abkhazia and Ossetia. And not in the heat you confused the North with the South, just infinitely far from this. Among my friends there are people who were direct witnesses of the events in Georgia, I repeat, it was a branch of hell on earth. I would like to see how you would tell them about the borders of Georgia and that the conflict was for the sake of the country's non-entry into NATO, Russia's help and passport are pathos, in the most ideal version, they would look like blissful.
What am I doing this for? What kind of chess can you talk about if you are talking about a rule / situation without even reading the rules / circumstances of the game? I myself am a product of my society, but I try to gather at least a little information about the subject of discussion from objective sources.

[kot423]

Quote: suhorukofal

What am I doing this for? What kind of chess can you talk about if you are talking about a rule / situation without even reading the rules / circumstances of the game?

Hammer. Have you noticed that when a given individual is pressed by facts - he just merges? Talking to such people is like "throwing pearls in front of pigs" ...

[suhorukofal]

I would like to hope that the sane remained in Ukraine. Unfortunately, we have to observe the result of the work of fooling the population, when the Earth revolves around 2 ideas - Ukraine's joining NATO, the reason for all the troubles is Russia. Yes, and he was touched by his words about the "composition of Georgia", about the "pathos" in relation to assistance to Russia, I heard at what cost refugees sought passports (they left theirs while fleeing), for modern Ukrainians this is "talk in favor of the poor." You can imagine how they relate to the population of Donbass, to their troubles.

[kot423]

Quote: suhorukofal

I would like to hope that the sane remained in Ukraine.

Don't worry, stayed. My mother was from Donetsk, so there are a lot of relatives there, I communicate with everyone, who is in Donetsk, who is in Kiev - they say their social circle is kind of softer, to the best of his ability, "petty dirty tricks" to those who have come to power

[Wahmister 1970]

The so-called individual went to watch football. By the way, no one invited you to the dialogue, it was you who, in your usual boorish manner, got into someone else's conversation

[kot423]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

The so-called individual went to watch football

That's right. It is better for you to look at the foolish box in all its manifestations than to argue with pathos about things in which you not only do not understand, but also don’t want to even look at pedagogical information (dubious source, but at least something)

[Wahmister 1970]

For seven years I have not watched anything on TV except football, and then because of the big screen.
Before making my opinion about something, I read at least three "sources" with different angles of information presentation.
For example: -UP, Russian Spring and VVS

[kot423]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

Before making my opinion about something, I read at least three "sources" with different angles of information presentation.
For example: -UP, Russian Spring and VVS

Do not bother with demagoguery. They explained to you on your fingers that it was purple for Abkhazia, whether the Western world recognized it or not. Have you even heard about the UN Charter (not to mention what you read)? Israel is not in a mustache from its non-recognition by 19 UN members and feels great (99% thanks to immigrants from the USSR with its education and mattress help). So where did you get the idea that it will be different for Abkhazia? "Read less newspapers (radio, TV) before breakfast", especially in 404 (yes, this is what I call and will call your country as long as it has the ruling regime that exists, despite the fact that I have relatives there and they adequate, in contrast to 30-35% of raguli and selukov).

[Wahmister 1970]

"Thank you for calling, your opinion is very important to us."

[kot423]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

Thank you for calling, your opinion is very important to us

What was required to prove for reading VO, thanks You are just another "dummy", of which it was apparently invisible here, with "everything that is Russian / connected with Russia is bad" hammered into your head. No constructive counterarguments, only pathos / references to your (404) propaganda / indicator of education (did you study after 90?) And lack of your own opinion (all your "calls" in this topic are cheap from your media (take my word for it, I also look through them) to see the opinion from several sides). , I see no reason to discuss with the "next".

[Wahmister 1970]

Smiled. Paphos rolls over.
He graduated from school in 1988 in Buryatia, BAM. Army -Zab VO, university, yes-Ukraine. Does it change anything?

[kot423]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

He graduated from school in 1988 in Buryatia, BAM. Army -Zab VO, university, yes-Ukraine. Does it change anything?

It absolutely changes everything .... Just a clear indicator that a person who was educated in the USSR has degraded to the state that he shows on this site. Which proves once again that all sorts of "exam, tests", etc. can bring a more or less educated person to the state of "nothing" .. The only thing that comforts you - write more or less illiterate, in contrast to your "Banderlog"

[Wahmister 1970]

I also know how to cross-stitch and
sometimes even think. And unlike you, I do not always express full "approvals" of the generally accepted position

[kot423]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

I do not always express my complete "approval" of the generally accepted position

For the gifted: there is such a function on this site - "show comments" ... So it doesn't work, in an attempt to enroll me in "uryakalka" and "throw hats", Poor troll ...

[Wahmister 1970]

So I'm not a troll. I'm like an akin, what I see about "singing"

[kot423]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

So I'm not a troll. I'm like an akin, what I see about "singing"

This is your subjective opinion. And in the opinion of others, the user is a troll ... and, moreover, you are so creepy ...
Py.Sy. You must answer for your words on this site, this is not the "censor" to which you are accustomed.

[Wahmister 1970]

"According to other users"
We, Nicholas II?
"Galimy Troll" Where did the culture go, our highly educated?

[Wahmister 1970]

Yes, I am far from the events of 8.08.08, which does not prevent me from looking at the facts from a distance and seeing who has received what profit from these events.
I will add "nerve."
Strelkova and Co. were the "nuclear electorate" of the PR. After more zealous supporters of Ukraine, I don't know. They did not like the "Russian world" very much.
After the start of those events, the nephews temporarily moved to another aunt, here to us near Dnepropetrovsk.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Wahmister 1970

And how do you see it?

This is another HPP. Not everyone is allowed to see this. This becomes visible only after drinking Nightingale droppings + 50% vodka.

[knn54]

"I consider it reliable observation,
Retained from time immemorial:
The people in power are worried
Bandits, crooks, fools. "
E. Sevrus

[Polite Moose]

Quote: hrych

hysterics in Ukraine, so they came up with a threat to New Russia.

Then Mishiko whispered to them about the power option, but only they did not listen to the end ...

[Mountain shooter]

Are 404 authorities preparing to commit collective suicide? How reckless. And they have no real strength. They can intensify the shelling. DRG will be sent. Raise troops to attack? No I do not believe. They can only threaten.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Raise troops to attack? No I do not believe.

From what? Didn't they bomb their cities, didn’t they kill their citizens, didn’t they destroy their country suicidal, didn’t they dip themselves into a vat of shit with their own hands? I think they can easily! If the overseas owners will still push in the ass, and promise and provoke, they can try to arrange a small victorious war in hysterical excitement.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

I think they can easily! If the overseas owners will still push in the ass, and promise and provoke, they can try to arrange a small victorious war in hysterical excitement.

They can give the order. But will the troops carry out such an order? With such an offensive, the losses will be simply great. And the Russian Armed Forces are hanging over, and can intervene at any moment. In such conditions, the war can only be lost.

[Wahmister 1970]

Grymchak is a knocked-down pilot, is under investigation, has no real power, there is nothing to discuss.
For LDNR a reason to remind about itself, especially since Pushilin is going to the Duma, pr and nothing more

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

This is just the opinion of one retired person who does not know the real one and has come off the trough.
Mr. nobody Grymchak.

[Ros 56]

Well, go ahead and with the song, start earlier, earlier, and this insanity will end.

[Silver bullet]

Earlier in the fall, the forelock troops will not start, but during the election period in our country, the weakening of the masses can receive an accelerating pendal under the tailbone from the owners.

[JonnyT]

Yes, this is banal blackmail. The Chubatykhs have all been sent, and Frau and the can is the breadwinner, so they are blackmailing with the war. Raging in impotent rage

[suhorukofal]

It seems so, but that the leadership of Ukraine is capable of idiotic actions, they have proved thoroughly. Poroshenko had the brains to send his "squadron" to the slaughter. How would today's mini Napoleon not have enough advisers to throw up any similar idea with Donbass in the hope of disrupting the processes of SP-2

[cniza]

Both then and now, Ukraine seeks to force the inhabitants of the republics to obey, and they did not intend to comply with the Minsk agreements.

So they do not hide their intentions ...

[Alexander 3]

Yes, and ours do not hide that this aggression will be the last Banderlog.

[cniza]

Only to them, or rather not to everyone, it reaches ...

[Vladimir61]

In their powerless dreams, they can bury not only several thousand migrant workers-mercenaries, but also the coexistence or integrity of the Outskirts. Perhaps, in this regard, their dreams will come true.

[tralflot1832]

I hope the People's Militia of the DPR and LPR have stuffed the land ahead of themselves with death.

[Kuzmitsky]

Everything has been stuffed since 2014. who is not lazy. There, most likely, no one even remembers who placed mines in the gray zone, where exactly, when and for what. So minefield maps probably don't exist there either. And no one has seriously engaged in mine clearance on the contact line for seven years. So the APU will not be able to attack suddenly.

[RoTTor]

"Horseradish from a tubercle!", As they say in the Bryansk region.

Grymchak, a Christ-seller and a bribe-taker, the same as his former party member in the Socialist Party collapsed by such, was in vain released from prison, so he is currying before the puppet government.

Positions in this "ministry" are a noble sinecure: no work, but type - in power.

[Utes]

ALL Donbass is already a cut-off piece from the Outskirts .. Then they will tear it apart in pieces, Poland has already bought Abrams tanks, Lviv is already preparing, to meet the nobles, demolishes all the monuments and sews flags for the meeting ..

[Evil 55]

Do "Jumpers" naively believe that ever, after 7 years of bloody genocide against their people, Donbass will again become Ukrainian ..

[Kuzmitsky]

They all understand, most likely. And they not only do not hope to return Donbass, but they are not going to try to do it either. And they need loud statements so as not to lose face. And for the West to supply money to "fight against the ahresor".

[riwas]

Zelenskiy understands that if he starts a large-scale war, then Russia will be forced to stand up for its citizens in the Donbas to avoid genocide and how far Russia can go according to the Georgian scenario.