Chinese analogue of "Javelin": PLA first used anti-tank systems HJ-12 in exercises

The People's Liberation Army of China (PLA) first used the HJ-12 anti-tank missile system (ATGM) in an exercise in Tibet. The maneuvers of the Tibetan units took place on a plateau high in the mountains.

We can say that the HJ-12 is the Chinese analogue of the Javelin, this missile system has a similar principle of operation (“fire and forget”). According to representatives of the PLA, the ATGM is capable of destroying any tank in service in the armies of the world, since its missile penetrates homogeneous steel armor more than a meter thick. In addition, a soldier is able to carry the complex alone.

After the exercises, the new ATGM is officially entered into service with the PLA. Thus, the command believes that the anti-tank capabilities of the Chinese infantry units will be strengthened to a large extent, because individual soldiers will now be able to act more effectively against armored vehicles.

Initially, the ATGM was in no hurry to transfer to the army of the PRC, it was supposed to be produced only for export. The complex was first presented to the general public in 2014 at the Airshow China 2014 exhibition in the southern Chinese city of Zhuhai. The manufacturer of the HJ-12 ATGM is the defense company NORINCO.

Comments

[knn54]

- it was supposed to be released only for export
Algeria bought the Red Arrow-12 last year.

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, analogue is analogous; but, in my opinion, there are also Chinese advantages in this ATGM ... 1. Firstly, the "caliber" of the "Chinese" is larger, which means that one can assume greater armor-piercing and armor-piercing action ...; 2. Secondly, as reported, the "Chinese", in addition to the IR.GOS, has a television seeker, which allows not only to increase the target acquisition range, but also cheaper than IR GOS ...

[smart ass]

Tell me how many "fire and forget" grenade launchers in Russia ????

[Troll]

In the army 53247 pieces, and 123000 in long-term storage

[smart ass]

Does this mean 0?)

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Clever man

Does this mean 0?)

"Cornet" (GRAU index - 9K135, according to the classification of the US Defense Ministry and NATO - OTAN: AT-14 Spriggan) is an anti-tank missile system (ATGM) developed by the Tula Instrument Design Bureau.
The complex was developed on the basis of the Reflex tank guided weapon system, while retaining its basic layout solutions. Designed to engage tanks and other armored targets, including those equipped with modern reactive armor. Unlike the previous ATGM "Fagot", "Konkurs" and "Metis" ATGM control is carried out not by wires, but by a laser beam. This made it possible to release a modification of the Kornet-D ATGM, which can hit high-speed (20 m / s) targets. The latest versions of the Kornet ATGM launchers implement the concept "Shot and forgot" at the expense of the automatic target acquisition and tracking, but the target must remain within sight of the launcher until the missile hits. Also ATGM "Kornet" can overcome modern means of active protection by launching two ATGMs simultaneously with a delay less than the time of switching the active protection complex to a new threat

Units Produced 35 000

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Quote: ROSS 42

The latest versions of the Kornet anti-tank missile launchers realize the “shot and forget” concept using a target acquisition and tracking machine, but the target must remain within sight of the launcher until a missile hits.

Very funny.

[smart ass]

but the target must remain within sight of the launcher until the missile hits)))))) in other words, the calculation must sit and wait for its death)

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Quote: Clever man

in other words, the calculation must sit and wait for its death)

In fact, this can be solved very simply with the help of a remote control panel. I'm not really sure if Kornet has such an option.

[smart ass]

I mean that you should not laugh at the Chinese if they themselves have pants in the city ... not

[Doccor18]

In addition, a soldier is able to carry the complex alone.

Well, yes, there are some doubts about this ... 22 kg weighs, incl. rocket - 17 kg. If two - 34 kg. Plus the standard equipment of an infantryman, breeches, small arms, but in the highlands of Tibet ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Doccor18

Well, yes, there are some doubts about this ... 22 kg weighs, incl. rocket - 17 kg. If two - 34 kg. Plus the standard equipment of an infantryman, breeches, small arms, but in the highlands of Tibet ...

And this is a CHINESE infantryman! He can do anything

[Doccor18]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And this is a CHINESE infantryman

Oh, I didn't take into account ...

[Black lotos]

Quote: Doccor18

Oh, I didn't take into account ...

Duc they write there

In addition, a soldier is able to carry the complex alone.

able to carry? Capable.
Maybe ? Can, but does not want to
the point here is the distance at which "I can carry it alone." Maybe it's 2 meters ..
You're a communist! And the machine gun shot again ...

[Marachuh]

You can't praise yourself ... and the range of the complex? Work in fog, rain, how?

[Bradley]

And the Javelin ATGM, meanwhile, is already 25 years old. Feel old, as they say.
So it is not surprising that the Chinese have released an analogue in 25 years.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Bradley

So it is not surprising that the Chinese have released an analogue in 25 years.

So the "analogues" of all developed countries in serial production already. Israel, France, India, Turkey, Germany, etc. they all have 3 generation ATGMs, so it is logical that China caught up with them.

[Bradley]

So "analogues" in all developed countries are already in serial production. Israel, France, India, Turkey, Germany, etc. they all have 3 generation ATGMs, so it is logical that China caught up with them.

Here I am talking about too.

[Zaurbek]

It remains to develop the RF

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Bradley

And the Javelin ATGM, meanwhile, is already 25 years old. Feel old, as they say.
So it is not surprising that the Chinese have released an analogue in 25 years.

It may be old, but it buries tanks as efficiently as before. By the way, we have not released an analogue yet.

[12.7]

Where is our analogue? The military-industrial complex does more serious things, is it really that difficult? Neither develop nor steal? What is the problem?

[Zaurbek]

There are already two questions:
1. Where is our analogue?
2. Where is our KAZ.?

since Chinese products will quickly reach the Arabs, from the Arabs to all sorts of groups. Iran launched its "analogue" of Javelin .... this is the second half of various jihadists.

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Quote: Zaurbek

There are already two questions:
1. Where is our analogue?
2. Where is our KAZ.?

1 - our smart seeker is on the way.
2- our KAZ is already ready and is going through the final stages of testing.
As for the introduction into the series and delivery to the troops - yes, a question.

[Roma 1977]

As far as I understand, in the Russian Federation "smart" seeker is planning to use not on tanks, but on more important targets located at a much greater distance from the ATGM.

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Quote: Roma-1977

not for tanks, but for more important targets,

This is for what?

[Roma 1977]

For those in the tactical rear. Field headquarters, for example. Warehouses. Bridges. The information is classified, but it is clear that their use is not planned for tanks in the line of sight.

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Quote: Roma-1977

it is clear that their use is not planned for tanks in the line of sight.

I don’t know where you got such clarity, wait and see. Not long to wait. Soon they will tell us everything and show us colorfully.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: 12.7

What's the problem?

Catastrophic lag in microelectronics and "optics".

[12.7]

In recent years, a number of high-precision weapons have been created for various carriers, and these are optics and microelectronics of about the same series.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: 12.7

optics and microelectronics of about the same series.

They are mainly equipped with Chinese and South African equipment, qualitatively lower in class than "western" ones. It is still possible to use them in "heavy" rockets and UAVs.

[Agent cooper]

And most importantly, they don't really itch at the top, hurry up quickly to finish building the SP-2, and somehow their hands do not reach the development of microelectronics and optics.

[Roma 1977]

The problem is that an ATGM with an active seeker has its drawbacks and is not a "wunderwaffe" that nullifies the potential of other ATGM systems. It makes sense to use it as a supplement to VET, but not as a replacement for "generations".

[Avior]

Javelin does not have an active GOS, but a completely passive one.

[Evgesha]

M-de .. uzho and the Chinese are accepted into service, which means they are released in Syria
The Javelin is already 25 years old, and the Javelin concept was practiced back in the 80s ...
And we have nothing.
And where to come from!?!?!?!?
To do something new, we need to move science so that NIKOR moves ..
And who will go to science with current salaries ???

I have a child right now on the 3rd year of university, specialty "Biology", and so for all three years she dreamed of working as a scientist, such as balaccalaureate-magistracy-postgraduate study .. etc.
Since last spring he has been actively working in the laboratory. They carry out various works, on grants .. there is a type of salary dripping ... But !!! Overall, her income level is not impressive. Okay, as long as a student, okay right now the payment is sometimes purely symbolic .. but further from what !?
And over the past couple of months, her thoughts have changed - like in a year she will defend her diploma, and then ... what then. Where to work and how much to earn.
Show me one of the recruiting ads
Required - the head of the laboratory.
Requirements - such experience, experience that way, so that there is at least a candidate of sciences ...
Full time work day
Salary - 16500 rubles / month.[i] [/ i]
well, who will go there ???
This is how much you have to be stubborn in science !!

And my child somehow lost the ardor of scientific work, and begins to look at life through salary rates.
And yet there are options for its spality, but this is absolutely no science, but just work.
Only salaries there start at 60000 .... but science there is zero !!!!!

That's all the science we have in the suction.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Evgesha

To do something new, we need to move science so that NIKOR moves ..

And the little box just opens - the spending on science in China and the United States is 10 times higher than in Russia. In terms of this indicator, we are inferior even to Brazil. And they are decreasing from year to year.

[Agent cooper]

Why do the Kremlin need science? They have already defined the future of Russia as a supplier of resources and agricultural products with timber.

[OgnennyiKotik]

If a smart guy wants to go to science, let him look for Western grants. I have a large number of friends who have moved to Europe and the United States. Who stayed in science, who did not, but this is not because of money but abilities and desires. The truth is basically about physics and mathematics education, I don't know about "biology".

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Quote: OgnennyiKotik

, I don’t know about “biology”.

At the time of all sorts of coronaviruses, biology has become a trend.

[Klingon]

We have a proletariat under the slogan "Degenerate, hold out" and "live in a month of the year," and the rest is sheer enthusiasm.

[Klingon]

Quote: Bradley

And the Javelin ATGM, meanwhile, is already 25 years old. Feel old, as they say.
So it is not surprising that the Chinese have released an analogue in 25 years.

And in Russia, until now, nothing like this is expected in the field of neti ATGMs. The same "no analogue" Cornet, beating bluntly in the forehead and within line of sight

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Quote: Klingon

in Russia, until now, nothing like this in the field of ATGM neti is expected

It is foreseen. And here this has already been discussed more than once. OCD is underway, critical components are already ready, now they are just being collected in a heap.

[Roma 1977]

Every time the magic Ukrainian word "Javelin" appears on the Internet, crying rises: "And what about us? Putin plundered the country!" Like little children. An ATGM is required to successfully defeat a tank-type target, and this task is solved by Russian ATGMs perfectly. The main argument of the St. Javelin witness sect is that, allegedly, an ATGM operator after a shot can immediately run away and not receive a response, and the operator personally leading the rocket to the target is a suicide bomber. This approach is slightly out of touch with reality.

[Revival]

That is, it is still safer not to take cover after the launch, but to sit still and direct the rocket?

[Roma 1977]

No. It is safer to be 4 kilometers from the targeted enemy tank, and not 1 kilometer from it.

[Avior]

this is if the tank is in a clean, flat field and stands for a long time in one place
but in reality it is more difficult
the tank drove off behind a bush, and the rocket went into milk

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Quote: Avior

the tank drove off behind a bush, and the rocket went into milk

Are you talking about our Cornet?

[Topgun]

man, for 4 km you will see a tank unless in the desert and not a simple but some kind of dry lake - ideally flat on which speed records are set !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well, or in Afghanistan, sitting on one ridge and looking at the other - there yes
here some freaks talk about 10 km
guys, 2 km (neighboring hill) is the maximum in reality (there is nothing to say about Europe, some settlements smoothly transition into others and forest belts are everywhere)

[Klingon]

Well, the Jews then see their Spike and for 7 km and beyond the hills. They can also move the missile to another target if they feel like it. How so? Your physics doesn't work sir

[Topgun]

Is that spike carried by the infantry or is it in a jeep? maybe there are also in the launch containers and there are drones that will give a picture over the hill?
How should the infantry carry all this "economy"? I have a speech in the commentary about balance !!! and it is ideal for a javelin, it makes no sense to make a rocket for infantry the ability to fire at 10 km, because such missiles need to be dragged and fired at 10 km by the infantry only in very rare cases
people know how to make rockets that can go into space and erase entire cities but
speech about BALANCE - dare you?

[Klingon]

I will not argue with you, look at YouTube full of videos about the Jewish Spike and about the French MMR

[Topgun]

you first need to understand that the word "spike" means a whole family of missiles and those that fly over the mountain are launched from jeeps !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - they are big and heavy because to fly far you need (suddenly) fuel! - and this is the weight !!!! + there are more electronics + wings, etc., etc., look at how many kilometers helicopter guns fly away ... but it's about the infantry !!!!!!!!!!!
Once again the BALANCE, in any product from a knife to a tank, it is observed depending on the tasks, it makes no sense for a soldier to carry with him a 50 kilogram rocket that will fly 10 km if for him this is a rare battle scenario, because carrying such a bandura does he sacrifice something?
I think there is no more sense in commenting on this - I have already stated it quite easily

[Klingon]

https://youtu.be/LbMGg6dzwmw

Where is the jeep ?? Yes, you can stick the LR version on the guardhouse too. The cornet, by the way, is a more cumbersome system, only with a tripod in the lightest infantry version.
And one hell, you can run over the hill, any version and retargeting can be done on what the Cornet is not capable of at all

[Klingon]

Here are the Jews fools with their Spike and Nlos huh? And the French, too, with their MMR?

[Jacket in stock]

The Chinese are great. Step by step they are catching up, and in some places they are ahead of the rest of the world. It's not for nothing that American generals cry that their army is critically dependent on Chinese microcircuits.
But, by the way, ours also pulled up, not so long ago, even here, we discussed the imminent appearance and we have smart seeker on ATGMs.
All the components are there, it remains to collect in a heap and perform all the "squats".

[Freedim]

Karabakh showed that there are more efficient and safer (and possibly cheaper) means for guaranteed destruction of armored vehicles.

[Roma 1977]

Not really. Karabakh showed that the NKR army is too small and weakly armed to withstand the many times superior enemy.

[Freedim]

Quote: Roma-1977

Karabakh showed that the NKR army is too small and weakly armed to withstand the many times superior enemy.

Those. only lost 289 relatively modern tanks and 69 infantry fighting vehicles - for you a small number? .. Without Turkish drones, Azerbaijan could well have raked, as in previous times.

[Klingon]

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Quote: Klingon

in Russia, until now, nothing like this in the field of ATGM neti is expected

It is foreseen. And here this has already been discussed more than once. OCD is underway, critical components are already ready, now they are just being collected in a heap.

Let's say hop when we jump, okay, otherwise it will be like Rogozin's, crane (ATGM) on paper and in the form of a presentation to pompous music with the voice of a commentator from fighting without rules

[Klingon]

Quote: FreeDIM

Karabakh showed that there are more efficient and safer (and possibly cheaper) means for guaranteed destruction of armored vehicles.

Karabakh showed only that the Armenians could not properly organize electronic warfare and air defense of a short range