The State Duma is considering the possibility of including the "Nationality" column in the passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation. Military Review poll

As it turns out, Russian parliamentarians are considering the issue of returning the column reflecting the nationality of a citizen to the Russian passport. Recall that at one time (during the development of new passports) such a column was removed. At the same time, very strange arguments were presented, including one that said about the allegedly discriminatory nature when indicating the nationality in the main identity card. At the same time, no one really explained how the nationality of a person in a multinational country can discriminate against a person if it is reflected in his passport.

It was quite rightly noted that it is rather the non-indication of the citizen's nationality that discriminates against.

Ildar Gilmutdinov, the head of the Duma Committee for Nationalities Affairs, told reporters that the issue of the "national" column in the passport is being discussed in the profile committee. He made such a statement on the air of the radio station. "Moscow says".

According to the State Duma deputy, the inclusion of the column "Nationality" in the passport may be important in the formation of the register of the indigenous peoples of the North, as well as Siberia and the Far East. We are talking about small peoples, the preservation of which is included in the range of tasks of the demographic policy of the state. The chairman of the Duma committee noted that many representatives of small peoples themselves actively speak out in favor of returning the "national" column in the passports of citizens of the country.

In this regard, "Military Review" invites readers to participate in the survey. It is proposed to answer the question of whether the authorities should enter the column "Nationality" in the passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation. The provided answers are yes or no, the disclosure of opinions is in the comments.

Comments

[Uncle lee]

I am Russian .... So what? And whoever does not want to be Russian will find a loophole and become whoever he likes ...

[marchcat]

The attitude towards a person is not formed from his nationality, but from how he positions himself in society. So, what is or not a column in the passport, for me, a Russian, does not matter.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: marchcat

The attitude towards a person is not formed from his nationality, but from how he positions himself in society.

So they say, they beat not on the passport, but on the face

[Cat]

- Your nationality
- Yes, yes!

[Victor_B]

Quote: Gato

- Your nationality
- Yes, yes!

In fact, this is the only nation that cares about this graph!

The State Duma is considering the possibility of including the "Nationality" column in the passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

The rest of the peoples of Russia have nothing to hide!

[Cat]

In fact, this is the only nation that cares about this graph!

This is not a nation, it is a way of thinking. If you remember, some Russians in the 80s, according to their passports, miraculously became purebred Jews for the purpose of emigration. Even circumcision was done

[storm]

You are not one of these "some" ...

[Cat]

You are not one of these "some" ...

No, not one of these. So, if you are looking for partners, this is not for me.

[Professor]

Quote: Victor_B

In fact, this is the only nation that cares about this graph!

No. Do not care. From the word "absolutely". The median age of a Russian Jew is 62.3 years, and a Russian - 37.6 years ... In ten years there will be no Jews left with you. Then there will be water in the tap.
The chairman of the Duma committee noted that many representatives small peoples themselves actively advocate that the "national" column in the passports of citizens of the country be returned... Well, accordingly, the Jews as an endangered people of the Russian Federation are only FOR.

[Peak]

Quote: professor

Jews as an endangered people of the Russian Federation only FOR

And why are they "dying out"? Discrimination?

[Professor]

Quote: PiK

Quote: professor

Jews as an endangered people of the Russian Federation only FOR

And why are they "dying out"? Discrimination?

Emigration.
http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2007/0303/analit01.php

[BAI]

And why are they "dying out"? Discrimination?

Yes. Hidden, at the everyday level, constantly poisoning the life of both adults and, especially, children - they will be hunted at school. Look at the comments on the site.
Although in words, especially from the TV box, everything is fine, everyone is equal

[Peak]

Quote: BAI

Yes. Hidden, at the everyday level, constantly poisoning the life of both adults and, especially, children - they will be hunted at school.

Oh don't "Discriminate" you, infringe upon and spread rot.

Something I do not notice such discrimination in relation to my colleagues and members of their families, and at any level - both service and professional, and in everyday life.

You are not one of those Gozmans?

One of those who were so eager to leave that we still cannot expel

[BAI]

You are not one of those Gozmans?

You yourself answered your own question. The surname Gozman evokes ardent rejection, if not hatred, in you. Here is a classic example of domestic discrimination. You yourself are.

Oh no, no "Discriminate" you, infringe upon and spread rot.

Well, personally for your information: my father is Russian, my mother is Tatar.

[Professor]

Quote: BAI

Well, personally for your information: my father is Russian, my mother is Tatar.

... and the Jew himself. This is the fate that people have.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: professor

Here is fate

-Abram, they say you play in a negro orchestra?
-Yes !
-And there are many blacks there?
- Me and Tsiperovich, the rest are entirely Jews!

[AB]

and the Jew himself. This is the fate of people

Nah, this is not destiny. A Jew is a way of thinking. Here I am and all my ancestors are purebred Russian peasants from the Ryazan province. And my wife, for my way of thinking, often calls me a Jew. Well, a city dweller in the nth generation does not understand what peasant ingenuity is. It got to the point that my son considered me a Jew until he was 12 years old, until he accidentally looked at his birth certificate. Well at least the nationality was not canceled in it. By the way, he was very surprised by this and finally became interested in his ancestry.

[BAI]

.a Jew himself

Perhaps the very first on the site.

[alystan]

No, sometimes the game may not go according to the plot you proposed, dear professor! As an example, the case with Zhirinovsky, who in an interview or simply to the direct question "Are you a Jew?" answered (if I am mistaken, you can correct me): My father is a lawyer, and my mother is Jewish. " -show he shouts that he is not a Jew! Is this like, in your opinion, an honest position or just playing for the audience?

[Professor]

Quote: alystan

No, sometimes the game may not go according to the plot you proposed, dear professor! As an example, the case with Zhirinovsky, who in an interview or simply to the direct question "Are you a Jew?" answered (if I am mistaken, you can correct me): My father is a lawyer, and my mother is Jewish. " -show he shouts that he is not a Jew! Is this like, in your opinion, an honest position or just playing for the audience?

Discussing Zhirinovsky is the last thing.

[alystan]

I do not seem to mind such a formulation of the question.
I just want to correct my mistake.
Zhirinovsky's answer sounded like this: "My mom is Russian, and dad is a lawyer."

[ultra]

Quote: BAI

The surname Gozman evokes ardent rejection, if not hatred, in you.

This is nonsense, the surname Wasserman, Wiener or Lazerson does not cause rejection, the point is not at all in the surname.

[Black lotos]

Quote: BAI

Although in words, especially from the TV box, everything is fine, everyone is equal

One Jew asks his neighbor:
- Abram Moiseevich! I heard that you read anti-Semitic newspapers!
- Well, yes, I read.
- But how can you !? You are a Jew!
- It's very simple. At first I read Jewish newspapers. There is such a depression, I tell you! Everyone wants to destroy the Jews, anti-Semitism, oppression, problems are all around, everyone is crying ... I literally could not sleep! And now I read the anti-Semitic press - what do you think? Solid positive! Jews rule the world, they have taken over everything, they are the richest, they decide everything everywhere.
In fact, the anger in society towards all groups (not just Jews) is quite strong. Divide and hate everyone has long been the main principle.
Just Jews and British are the oldest examples. (Jews are so be-the oldest)
Although in our country I did not directly notice discrimination .. they have separate schools and centers and non-Jews go there and many are invited to Israel if they have any talents.
And the Jews themselves hang out everywhere, but most often on Jewish and on Pasteur. Well, on Schmidt also .. Cheerful-looking, even women.
Yes, they look more successful and more serious than others. Campaign they "discriminate and humiliate"

[BAI]

Hidden, n ________________ t. Look at the comments on the site.

Judging by the number of minuses, I am absolutely right. "And the wild murmur of the crowd, he hears the sounds of approval."

[HMR333]

Nonsense! There was a count in the USSR and everything was fine! What will be bullied at school, what kind of nationality should be fart, what would be trolls?

[alystan]

Nonsense and not quite, in the sense that what was written in the graph with reality could have nothing to do with it. And that everything was normal, then yes.

[astepanov]

Quote: BAI

Yes. Hidden, at the everyday level, constantly poisoning the life of both adults and, especially, children - they will be hunted at school. Look at the comments on the site.

The way it is. If you read the comments, it turns out that the Jews from Russia cut off the water in the Crimean canal and organized a drought in Crimea, robbed the country and destroyed the culture! It's a shame, good gentlemen.

[Tank jacket]

Of all the oligarchs of the 90s, only Vinogradov was Russian, and he went bankrupt ...

[alch3mist]

Yes. Hidden, at the everyday level, constantly poisoning the life of both adults and, especially, children - they will be hunted at school. Look at the comments on the site.
Although in words, especially from the TV box, everything is fine, everyone is equal

Help specially for young readers of "Military Review".
Do you know how the aircraft building community unofficially jokingly called the Sukhoi plant in Soviet times? JAZZ. It stands for: "entrusted Jews aircraft plant. "And nothing, and they lived and worked there well, and the results were not shameful!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: PiK

"die out", why? Discrimination?

Unemployment, alcohol, drugs ...

[serg.shishkov2015]

My students Herman Goldin and the Maisel brothers - I learned from them that they are a Jew! And what? (Sorry for the jargon), Everything was fine! And now it's okay! They are engaged in business, they are not going to run!

[Peak]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

My students Herman Goldin and the Maisel brothers - I learned from them that they are a Jew! And what? (Sorry for the jargon), Everything was fine! And now it's okay! They are engaged in business, they are not going to run!

You're all lying! We have discrimination against Jews.

It is surprising that they only (for now?) Claim it, and not about genocide and the Holocaust.

[serg.shishkov2015]

awesome discrimination! Especially if you read the history of the nuclear weapons complex!

[husband]

Read it. About the son of Professor Tsukerman V.A.
Ginzburg V.L. about Zuckerman: “The Zuckermans also had a son, Sasha, who died in 1966 at the age of 17. His serious illness and quick death were a direct result of the terrible experience when the young man faced brutal anti-Semitism at the entrance exams to the Faculty of Mechanics and Mathematics of Moscow University He possessed mathematical abilities, was brilliantly prepared, including in Arzamas-16 he studied in physics and mathematics classes organized by his father.As a result, out of 13 graduates of these classes, only a Jew, Sasha Tsukerman, got a grade on the entrance exam in mathematics at the Moscow State University. It broke him. AD ​​Sakharov writes about this tragedy in his "Memoirs"

[serg.shishkov2015]

My grandmother was a visiting housekeeper at Veniamin Aronovich's, as a child I visited his house several times, I was not personally acquainted with him from an early age, but I was friends with his favorite dachshund! and nevertheless - I looked at the book on the history of my Arzamas-16 - there are many Jewish developers, they were admitted to the state secret of the HIGHEST level! Zuckerman - Hero of Socialist Labor and Honored Inventor of the RSFSR. anti-Semitism on the mainland, yes, it is very sad, but here, inside the Perimeter, it is a little different!

[husband]

I am his grand-nephew. And the deceased Sasha would have been my uncle.

[HMR333]

You are healthy? Injured? Haunting? Petrosyan

[Peak]

Quote: HMR333

You are healthy? Injured? Haunting? Petrosyan

Before you thoughtlessly petrosian somewhere, understand the concept for yourself - sarcasm.

It will come in handy in life

[Tank jacket]

Well, yes ... As soon as they start talking about the Holocaust or about Charlie Chaplin, then you need to be on the watch. This is a "code signal".

[Peak]

Quote: Tank jacket

Well, yes ... As soon as they start talking about the Holocaust or about Charlie Chaplin, then you need to be on the watch. This is a "code signal".

So already they say :

Quote: professor

There was also genocide in the Russian Empire and the Holocaust in the USSR. Forgot?

[Tank jacket]

So in August there will be a world-class naughty. Economic, political, informational and military.

[alystan]

If business in the sense of work, then that's nothing. And if business in the sense of business, then this is also normal, because they are all at the genetic level prepared for this kind of activity. It's just that English-speaking business and work are called in one word, but in Russian business is just money.

[Tank hard]

Quote: professor

Well, respectively Jews as an endangered people of the Russian Federation totally agree.

especially as you turn on the TV, you immediately understand it.)))

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Tank Hard

Quote: professor

Well, respectively Jews as an endangered people of the Russian Federation totally agree.

especially as you turn on the TV, you immediately understand it.)))

Don't turn on the TV. I have not had a TV set since 2004, and you know, when I come to my parents and turn it on, I understand why I don’t have it.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Vol4ara

Don't turn on the TV. I have not had a TV set since 2004, and you know, when I come to my parents and turn it on, I understand why I don’t have it.

Likewise the chief. 12 years without a box. Today it is physically unpleasant for me to be in the room with the TV on. It's like being in a smoky room after quitting smoking, you want to get fresh air as soon as possible.
Zombie box is a brain-killing evil.

[serg.shishkov2015]

I am a zomboyaschik since 2017, I only turn on May 9, last year also for the Victory Parade. I can not! Such a ,,,,,,! (sorry!)

[Siberian54]

As I looked at the retouched tribune of the mausoleum, I stopped watching the parades with something resembling Vlasov signs on retro cars

[Tank hard]

Quote: Vol4ara

Don't turn on the TV. I have not had a TV set since 2004, and you know, when I come to my parents and turn it on, I understand why I don’t have it.

Right! And don't read books! And don't listen to music! And breathe less often (the air is poisoned in comparison with the past). All evil.))

[lucul]

especially as you turn on the TV, you immediately understand it.)))

Especially when you enter a university)))

[Winnie76]

Quote: professor

... Well, accordingly, the Jews as an endangered people of the Russian Federation are only FOR.

Poor endangered Jews. Indeed, among them there are practically no oligarchs, civil servants, security officials, media representatives, cultural figures, scientists. They pinch and oppress with terrible force.

Quote: professor

In ten years there will be no Jews left with you. Then there will be water in the tap.

Remember this tweet))))))

[Alecsandr]

Yes, he is on purpose. Epatage is in their blood

[lucul]

Well, accordingly, the Jews as an endangered people of the Russian Federation are only FOR.

Aha-ahahah I haven't laughed like that for a long time))))

[VORON538]

Professor, what will happen? Take most of the Russian oligarchs and oppositionists from the echo of matzo and some members of the government with their offspring, of course, what did the mother give birth to ???

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Victor_B

this nation is worried about this count!

I'm fine. Pah-pah-pah.
Bear drinks the damned
He says that for the graph
Not allowed - the fifth.

[lucul]

In fact, this is the only nation that cares about this graph!

All culture, all education, the whole economy is under them.
As soon as they enter the column in the passport, it will immediately become clear that Russia is under occupation.
This was the first thing to do after 1991.
I'm only afraid that all of them will abruptly enroll in Russians, unless they write down by haplogroups)))

[Region-25.rus]

- Your nationality - Yes!

another option - "What is your nationality? - Alas!" Or - "I'm fine! Pah-pah-pah! Bear drinks the damned! He says what a count, they didn't let the fifth one!" (c) V.S. Vysotsky))))

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Seryoga64

So they say, they beat not on the passport, but on the face

Taki Yes!

[Lech from Android.]

The face is painfully familiar ... not Abramovich by chance?

[Dym71]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The face is painfully familiar ... not Abramovich by chance?

Tyuyu, so tse Kravchuk

[tihonmarine]

Quote: marchcat

So, what is there or not in the passport, for me, a Russian, does not matter.

You are absolutely right, the main thing is who I consider myself to be. My grandfathers are Russian, my parents and my children and grandchildren are also Russian, and everyone considered and still consider themselves, although there is a mixture of different blood.

[Hypertension]

Quote: tihonmarine

You are absolutely right, the main thing is who I consider myself to be.

Well, yes, well, yes ... That is why recently, during the census, orcs, elves and goblins have appeared. All the same, to denote Russianness, a significant percentage of East Slavic blood must be present. Because - Russian is a nationality. To say that "Russian is a state of mind" is very beneficial for Noviopians, who thus climbed into power, regardless of the percentage of nationalities in Russia.

[Piramidon]

Quote: tihonmarine

You are absolutely right, the main thing is who I consider myself to be. My grandfathers are Russian, my parents and my children and grandchildren are also Russian, and everyone considered and still consider themselves, although they are mixed with different blood

Quite right. Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind. Even the word "Russian" itself is an adjective that answers the question not who, but which one. Unlike other nouns - "German", "Jew" "Tatar" ... And the phrases "Russian German" or "Russian Jew" are quite correct. I had many friends among the Buryats. They called themselves so - "Russian Buryat"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Piramidon

I had many friends among the Buryats. They called themselves so - "Russian Buryat"

I also have Buryats in my blood, but I am a guran.

[Peak]

Quote: tihonmarine

I also have Buryats in my blood, but I am a guran.

GurAns are a nationality in Transbaikalia, formed as a result of mixed marriages of Russians with Buryats, Evenks, Mongols, Dauras, and Manchus. The word guran is borrowed by the Russians from the Buryat language and means “male Siberian roe deer”.

Sounds almost like the GurOns, a once powerful Native American tribe in North America whose language belonged to a large Iroquois group.

[Alecsandr]

And the Indians also have a Huron tribe.

[Siberian54]

Hey ! I am also a guran, but I write-Siberian

[lucul]

Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind

Bullshit . Russians were, are and will be.

[Piramidon]

Quote: lucul

Bullshit

Can't you live without rudeness, colt?

[lucul]

Can't you live without rudeness, colt?

The standard reaction to adult stupidity.

[Piramidon]

Quote: lucul

Can't you live without rudeness, colt?

The standard reaction to adult stupidity.

He's always a boor. A moronic excuse. Do you bark at all your relatives and friends with your "reaction" or just strangers?

[Peak]

Quote: lucul

Bullshit . Russians were, are and will be

So no one denies the right of the existence of the Russians, among other things, like other nationalities.

We have such a country, there is no other way.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: PiK

So no one denies the right of the existence of the Russians, among other things, like other nationalities.

How is it - nobody? Doesn't someone "Pyramidon" deny the existence of the Russian nationality? His -

Quote: Piramidon

Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind.

In his head, the thought did not even arise - and what nationality are those who have a certain "state of mind"?

[Alecsandr]

This is not a bullshit. Russians have a lot of things mixed up. This does not prevent them from calling themselves Russians and being real Russians. Even Alexander Nevsky had Kipchak roots. And Grigory Melekhov from "Quiet Don" by Sholokhov, he is not Russian either. Although he had Turkish blood, the Cossacks often met this

[lucul]

This is not a bullshit. Russians have a lot of things mixed up. This does not prevent them from calling themselves Russians and being real Russians. Even Alexander Nevsky had Kipchak roots. And Grigory Melekhov from "Quiet Don" by Sholokhov, he is not Russian either. Although he had Turkish blood, the Cossacks often met this

If a foreigner has become Russified and wants to be Russian, then there is nothing wrong with that, sooner or later he will become one.
Another thing is that the foreigner has not even become Russified yet, but he already tells the Russians what and how to do, and even denies them their nationality.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Alecsandr

The Russians have a lot of things mixed up.

I do not argue, maybe you have a "state of mind" and nothing more, because you have a lot of things mixed up. Only an Uzbek cannot be born to a Tatar, even though his wife is Uzbek. On what basis do you call yourself, for example, Mordvin, if your dad was Russian? Look back at your father, grandfather, who were they by nationality? It cannot be that the grandfather was German, the father was Estonian, and you are Russian. It doesn't work that way! If your grandfather was a German, then both your father and you are Germans. In this there is nothing offensive, derogatory, etc., substitute for - a German, any other nationality.
You have this nonsense, about "mixed" hammered into your head specifically so that you forget about your identity. So that the Russians, as a nation, disappear from the face of the Earth.

[garrett]

Even the word "Russian" itself is an adjective that answers the question not who, but which one.

facepalm ... worker, firefighter, scientist, etc. Is that an adjective too? Moreover, if you ask an Englishman what nationality he is, he will answer you "i am english" and in many languages ​​there are such examples.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Piramidon

Quite right. Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind.

Those. Are you denying my nationality? If Russian is not a nationality, then what is my nationality? Everyone has a nationality, but I don't have one? So in your opinion ?.

[Per se.]

Quote: tihonmarine

You are absolutely right, the main thing is who I consider myself to be.

For Kipling, for example, Mowgli at first considered himself a wolf. You live in China, you have to be Chinese, they will demand, like from a Chinese, but they themselves breed Chinatowns all over the world, and do not want to be different. Who is Russian, is it genes, or "state of mind"? In Israel they speak Russian, sometimes without knowing Hebrew. In Brighton Beach, New York, "Little Odessa", speaking not Ukrainian, but Russian, with Russian signs and names. At the same time, life itself suggested the plot for the film.

For me, speaking Russian is not enough, you just need to feel like it, most importantly, be for Russia. It is necessary that Russians do not turn into strangers in their own Russia, in front of various diasporas. If you want to be an Arab, who else, go to your homeland and live there according to your customs. When a German says that he is Russified, that is correct. Stalin said that he was Russian, Pushkin was more Russian than any of us, like Bagration. This is the main thing, and the column in the passport ... Many members of the CPSU had party cards, and, where did it go, the "communists" betrayed the party and the idea. Therefore, being Russian, or being a communist, will not depend on one entry in a piece of paper.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Per se.

In Brighton Beach, New York, "Little Odessa", speaking not Ukrainian, but Russian, with Russian signs and names

if in New York then
Brighton is the Jewish quarter.
The face of Brighton Beach is defined by a large community of Russian-speaking Jews - immigrants from the USSR, and there are many immigrants from Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, Russia. The main language is Russian.
Why "Little Odessa" - yes, because the same mixture + the Jewish community.
but the Ukrainian quarter is Little Ukraine
an ethnic enclave in the East Village Neighborhood in Lower Manhattan, New York, USA, in which a significant proportion of the inhabitants are Ukrainians.
There is a lot of Ukrainian stuff there.

[Alecsandr]

You are 100 percent right. You should be proud that you are a Russian. "We are Russians, what a delight!" It was not for nothing that Suvorov exclaimed, who bent all of Europe

[alystan]

From me +, but there are a couple of clarifications:

You live in China, you have to be Chinese, they will demand, like from a Chinese, but they themselves breed Chinatowns all over the world, and they don't want to be different.

Your position is clear here - you disagree. Not really?

If you want to be an Arab, who else, go to your homeland and live there according to your customs.

And here you behave like a real Chinese. Not really?

In Israel they speak Russian, sometimes without knowing Hebrew. In Brighton Beach, New York, Little Odessa, speaking Russian, not Ukrainian

But what about these, suddenly there will be someone like you and will drive them all away, that is, to Russia, well, clinging to the language? But the question is not for you, since you do not live there where they are.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: tihonmarine

You are absolutely right, the main thing is who I consider myself to be.

Apparently you don't fully understand how it works.

Quote: tihonmarine

My grandfathers are Russian, my parents and my children and grandchildren are also Russian, and everyone considered and count themselves

Nobody is interested in who you think you are, they will write you down for who you are by blood, by DNA and by geneology.

Quote: tihonmarine

different blood mixed.

Therefore, there is a very high chance that they will be recorded as a national.
This is certainly not scary ... until the "Russian Marches" resume.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: tihonmarine

the main thing is who I think I am.

It is interesting that this question concerns everyone, but the representatives of only one of the small nations were concerned (as expected).
It is not enough to count - you also need to be.

[Motorist]

Better let it be a count. To avoid confusion, as in the West: they use the word "nationality" to denote citizenship (in our country, by the way, also - in salary). I know one Syrian (not a "refugee"!), A Pole by "nationality" ...

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: tihonmarine

My grandfathers are Russian, my parents and my children and grandchildren are also Russian, and everyone considered and still consider themselves, although mixed with different blood.

Only you don’t like Russia and therefore you live in Estonia, which is hostile to Russia.

[Angry Bubuca]

So, what is there or not in the passport, for me, a Russian, does not matter.

You are writing sheer nonsense. With a probability of 95%, you have no idea what it means to be someone, especially a Russian in Russia. Either you are a liar, and only this explains everything that you write.
In any case, your position is now incomprehensible and cannot be accepted by the absolute majority of the population of the Russian Federation, that is: neither Russians, nor Chechens, nor Armenians, nor Georgians, nor Dagestanis, nor Tatars, nor Ukrainians, nor .. etc., The official list can be found on Wikipedia.
They say that the Chukchi are a dull people. I assure you that it is not. The fact is that your statements about who you are and whose you are, of course, they would have listened to, but not accepted. They always listen in silence, this is their national feature. But, those who prevent them from living, as they have always lived, and to be who they are, the Chukchi take out for a walk and leave on the street in a cold-cold snowdrift forever. I assure you - for you and those like you, this is not the worst option, there are schemes and more interesting.

[Alecsandr]

Angry grandma. I totally agree with you. Foolish people will not survive in the tundra. This requires a natural mind.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: marchcat

The attitude towards a person is not formed by his nationality, ...

I read somewhere that in Tatarstan you can write in your passport that you are a Tatar. This gives an advantage when applying for a job and moving up the career ladder.
Please correct if this is not true.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: marchcat

The attitude towards a person is not formed from his nationality, but from how he positions himself in society.

Many Germans before 1933 also said so. But suppuration in society sooner or later pours out.

People are divided into intellectuals and, and already divided into nationalities.

[kapitan92]

Quote: marchcat

The attitude towards a person is not formed from his nationality, but from how he positions himself in society. So, what is or not a column in the passport, for me, a Russian, does not matter.

[Shiva83483]

in-in ... they beat in the face, not the passport

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: marchcat

The attitude towards a person is not formed from his nationality, but from how he positions himself in society. So, what is or not a column in the passport, for me, a Russian, does not matter.

That's right, but at the same time, I really want the "nationality" column back in my passport. So that everyone knows that I am Russian and that I am responsible for all Russians. And for the good, but also for the bad.
I often met this - "I do not know what nationality I am, so much is mixed", etc. This is what "Ivans who do not remember kinship" are. For all peoples, except Jews, nationality is determined by the father. Everything. Dot. Change of nationality is a betrayal of his father, his surname (Rod).
If the wife did not give birth to a son to her husband, then the family of the husband perishes. That is why every man subconsciously dreams of a son.
In everyday life, I was never interested in a person's nationality.
But I want my passport to have a mark about my nationality.
Nationality - Surname - First name
Tribe - Genus - Individual.

[Asad]

In my family, both Poles and Estonians are great great greats, in short, a distant Swede whose ancestor Peter the first defeated near Poltava. But I still consider myself a Russian!

[Torins]

My mother is Russian, and my father is Lithuanian, born in Germany, I live in Belarus. What nationality to hell?))

[carstorm 11]

Vooot) Mom from Belarus. Dad is German. He was also born in Germany. Live in Russia. Ukrainian wife. Why is that foolishness? Now I have to write that I am German and why? I am a Russian German, how should I indicate this?)))

[Torins]

I also have a Ukrainian wife

[carstorm 11]

Yes, a third of the country has this)))

[Boris55]

Quote: Torins

What nationality to hell?))

Quote: carstorm 11

I am a Russian German. How should I indicate this?

Here, in Russia, the patronymic (fatherland) is considered by the Pope (among the Jews - by the Mother) incl. garbage question - what nationality is the dad, this nationality and you.

Any inhabitant of the World, and even more so of Russia, can be Russian if he recognizes Russia as his fatherland.

[carstorm 11]

I know))) I just have no idea why I need it in principle) I am pleased and the main thing is to correctly consider myself both.

[Boris55]

Quote: carstorm 11

I am pleased and the main thing is to correctly consider myself to be both.

Wrong. Nationality is determined by the male line incl. being a dad in the morning and a mom in the evening is certainly possible, but unacceptable.

[carstorm 11]

I'm not talking about literalism and rules. I just want to understand why should I make this choice? My ancestors were proud that we are Russian Germans. And I even took seriously all my life the phrase that Russian is a state of mind and not a nationality))) Worldview. Even philosophy, I guess. In short, they will still decide it without me, but I am strongly against it.

[Boris55]

Quote: carstorm 11

And I even took seriously all my life the phrase that Russian is a state of mind and not a nationality)))

I think the same, and yet I am Russian.

Russian is an adjective applied to its tribe, i.e. Russian is one who puts the interests of civilization in Russia above the interests of a kind, since Russia will perish, and the clan will perish.

[BAI]

Russian is one who puts the interests of civilization in Russia above the interests of a kind, since Russia will perish, and the clan will perish.

Do you want to say that all Western European mercenaries of the Russian army in the 17-18 centuries are Russians? After all, they fought for Russia against Europe.

[Boris55]

Quote: BAI

Do you want to say that all Western European mercenaries of the Russian army in the 17-18 centuries are Russians?

While they defended the interests of Russian civilization, they were like that in fact.

[BAI]

Those. nationality can be changed several times a year?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: carstorm 11

I'm not talking about literalism and rules. I just want to understand why should I make this choice? My ancestors were proud that we are Russian Germans.

Is logical. Correctly.
Well, so demand that the column be expanded to "Russian German", "Russian Evenk" ...
Why not?

[nnm]

Why on earth are you making such a statement? Have you read Article 26 of the Constitution? What other column "nationality" in the 21st century ?! Moreover, in a country where earlier they did not pay attention to this, where everything and everything was mixed: Russians, Ukrainians, Tatars, and hundreds of nationalities lived together. And why should they now be divided according to the criterion of nationality ?! We must look for something that unites us, and does not isolate us. We must support, respect and develop all the nations and peoples of our country. And then some kind of Middle Ages. You might think that pride in your ancestors is transmitted by passport data, and not by upbringing in the family and society.
And that there would be no conjectures, I am Russian.

[Boris55]

Quote: nnm

And why should they now be divided according to the criterion of nationality ?! We must look for something that unites us, not separates us.

So the Russians are what unites.
Russian Georgian, Russian Tatar, Russian Mordvin, etc.
And so, the Russian Polyanin, the Russian Drevlyanin, the Russian Vyatich - over time, only Russian remained.

Do you yourself remember what kind of tribe you are?

So the Russians are what unites different tribes into one civilization.

[nnm]

Quote: Boris55

Do you yourself remember what kind of tribe you are?

And you, dear colleague, in order to remember this, you need to look into your passport and see what is written there?

Quote: Boris55

And so, Russian Polyanin, Russian Drevlyanin, Russian Vyatich

Colleague, do you seriously think that our distant ancestors named by you defined themselves as Russians? Yes, at that time they did not even know such words. Stop this pathos, otherwise it is very reminiscent of the tendencies of modern Ukrainian historiography.
Yes, we are descendants of these tribes, but stop already in the 21st century to start measuring the antiquity of origin, etc.

[Boris55]

Quote: nnm

Yes, we are the descendants of these tribes

How did it "happen" that we "suddenly" all became Russians?

Quote: nnm

but stop already in the 21st century to start measuring the antiquity of origin, etc.

I'm not going to be measured against antiquity, especially since the current civilization on planet Earth is in its seventh and 7529th year according to the Byzantine calendar. We are all heirs of past civilizations, and it is absurd to measure the antiquity of our kind.

ps
To the question of determining the XY chromosomes that determine the prevailing value of male and female principles. In Russians, male chromosomes prevail in both boys and girls. That is why our patronymic comes from the father. In Jews (Orthodox), female chromosomes prevail. For "political" purposes, they are also written on the father's side, although everyone knows that their family is on the mother's side.

So if mom is Russian and dad is a lawyer, then Zhirinovsky is still Russian, even though he is a Jew.

[nnm]

Colleague, with all due respect .... I propose to leave such questions to specialists.

[Alecsandr]

By the way, these are the most ardent anti-Semites of the Jews. However, as well as Russophobes there are purely Russians.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Boris55

In Jews (Orthodox), female chromosomes prevail. For "political" purposes, they are also written on the father's side, although everyone knows that their family is on the mother's side.

Absolutely hellish nonsense.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

Yes, we are descendants of these tribes, but stop already in the 21st century to start measuring the antiquity of origin, etc.

And the maximum who knows its antiquity is 200 years, and I'm not talking about 1000 years.

[lucul]

And the maximum who knows its antiquity is 200 years, and I'm not talking about 1000 years.

In Russia, those who knew their antiquity for 1000 years were cut out to zero, back in 1917.

[lucul]

And you, dear colleague, in order to remember this, you need to look into your passport and see what is written there?

Everything is clear with you.
If you were Russian, you would not write that.

[zenion]

It is best to write the owner's IQ in the passport. The very exit. Or knowledge of languages. How much he wrote the dictation.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: nnm

And why should they now be divided according to the criterion of nationality ?!

Someone at the top just got another idea to plant a "bomb" under the Unity of Russia!
Nationality first, then we are offended, deprived, and we work the most, and then an attempt at separation ...
Already like this passed, not worth it.

[lucul]

Someone at the top just got another idea to plant a "bomb" under the Unity of Russia

Until 1917, this only contributed to the expansion of the borders of Russia, but then suddenly it will destroy the Unity of Russia? )))

[zenion]

There was such an actress Okuneva. She boasted that she traces her ancestry for 200 years. When Faina Ranevskaya heard this, she told Okuneva that she traces her ancestry from Abraham.

[lucul]

Have you read Article 26 of the Constitution? What other column "nationality" in the 21st century ?!

Are you talking about this Constitution of the losers? The losers in the Cold War, according to it, we are forbidden to have our own ideology and at the same time nationality.
And without ideology and nation, we are a direct road to the dustbin of history.
If you do not understand these elementary things, then I am sorry for you.

[Tank hard]

Quote: lucul

And without ideology and nation, we are a direct road to the dustbin of history.
If you do not understand these elementary things, then I am sorry for you.

And some understand everything very well. Their goal is to send them to the dustbin of history. That's where it comes to. View in full:

[And Us Rat]

Quote: nnm

We must look for something that unites us, and does not isolate us.

Who needs? The authorities definitely do not need, divide and rule.

[BAI]

Nationality is determined by the male line

Well, what is the N-2 Russian tsar after that? He has 98% German blood, and the Romanov family in the male line was interrupted on Peter 3.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: BAI

Well, what is the N-2 Russian tsar after that?

If, you are about the genetics of Nikolai Beshrebetny, then yes, no. The poisonous Windsor blood took the dominant position, completing the degeneration of the dynasty and thus marking the end of the Russian Empire.

But in contrast to this degradant, Catherine the Great immediately asks, whose Germanic origin did not prevent her from becoming Russian to the highest degree of this definition.

[lucul]

If, you are about the genetics of Nikolai Beshrebetny, then yes, no.

Come on, his father had what he needed, he took all his strength on himself, left little to his son)))

[Paranoid50]

Quote: lucul

his father had what he needed,

So then - the father ... Lump, hardened human being.(from)
But on my son, nature specifically rested.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Paranoid50

As for the genetics of Nikolai Beshrebetny, yes, no. Poisonous Windsor blood dominated

That did not stop the Windsor blood from destroying the Russian Empire, and at the same time driving all relatives and Nicholas II himself into the grave (and it was possible to help).

[Alecsandr]

Wow! An interesting look at historical events. I ought to dig, ask. But, I sense, you are absolutely right.

[alystan]

Alexander, fail! And where is the third photo with Dimon? He would have stood like a glove between them.

[Professor]

Quote: Boris55

Here, in Russia, the patronymic (fatherland) is considered by the Pope (among the Jews - by the Mother) incl. garbage question - what nationality is the dad, this nationality and you.

You learn so much about yourself. It turns out that now my patronymic is not Vladimirovich, but my mother is written in the column "father".

[Boris55]

Quote: professor

It turns out that now my patronymic is not Vladimirovich, but my mother is written in the column "father".

But you are a Russian Jew incl. by dad

[Black lotos]

Quote: professor

and in the column "father" my mother is a woman.

well, wait, the match is also popular Matronym
(although as I saw on the Internet - Oleg Nastasich, poor fellow ... he does not have a dad ... the wolves ate)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

It turns out that now my patronymic is not Vladimirovich, but my mother is written in the column "father".

Well, what a problem Oleg. You will not be Vladimirovich, but Vladimirovna. Live forever, be amazed.

[Professor]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: professor

It turns out that now my patronymic is not Vladimirovich, but my mother is written in the column "father".

Well, what a problem Oleg. You will not be Vladimirovich, but Vladimirovna. Live forever, be amazed.

One thing pleases. There are no patronymics in Israel and, accordingly, my children are not Olegovich or Oleshit.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

In Israel there are no patronymics and, accordingly, my children are not Olegovich and not Olegovna.

You can do it like in Spain, they have a patronymic for their father and mother, like my classmate - Juan Pablo Rodriguez.

[Alecsandr]

Sokolov! Professor! Do not be foolish. Do not spoil the avatar from your account

[Gardamir]

and in the column "father" my mother is a woman.

[den3080]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Torins

What nationality to hell?))

Quote: carstorm 11

I am a Russian German. How should I indicate this?

Here, in Russia, the patronymic (fatherland) is considered by the Pope (among the Jews - by the Mother) incl. garbage question - what nationality is the dad, this nationality and you.

Any inhabitant of the World, and even more so of Russia, can be Russian if he recognizes Russia as his fatherland.

So you want to say that Vladimir Solovyov's mother's name is Rudolph?

[Boris55]

Have you read a thread about XY chromosomes and how the sex depends on their combination?

[Peak]

Quote: den3080

So you want to say that Vladimir Solovyov's mother's name is Rudolph?

No, obviously But in this case, we can only state that V.V. Solovyov's case (both mom and dad are Jews) is simpler than that of V.V. Zhirinovsky, who - " mom is Russian, and dad is a lawyer "...

[Cat]

Yes, a third of the country has this)))

If we enter the column "Nationality" in the passport, then we will soon be surprised to find that Russia is inhabited by elves, gnomes, pink ponies and imperial stormtroopers

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Gato

find that Russia is inhabited

also Russians.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Gato

we will soon be surprised to find that Russia is inhabited by elves, gnomes, pink ponies and imperial stormtroopers

in 2002 at the census

Among the fictitious "peoples": Irkuts, Atygians, Chuchmeks, Muscovites, Jedi, gnomes, goblin, orcs, goblins, hobbits, noons, elves, Tolkienists, Martians and many others, more than 430 unique names in total. The number of many of them significantly exceeds the small peoples of the North.
According to some media outlets, referring to the State Statistics Committee, fabulous Middle-earths - elves and hobbits, as well as "Jedi" - aliens from outer space, Scythians, Babylonians, Romans, Incas and other representatives of long-disappeared peoples live in Russia and observe their cultural and religious traditions ... There are several hundred Martians

discovered long ago ... for decades we have been living side by side with all sorts of different creatures

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: carstorm 11

Yes, a third of the country has this)))

I'm sure three fourths have mixed blood, mom, don't cry. And this is good !

[Lech from Android.]

So indicate the Russian German. In Russia you will be understood ... in Germany you will still be Russian.

[den3080]

Quote: Lech from Android.

So indicate the Russian German. In Russia you will be understood ... in Germany you will still be Russian.

So it will be possible to indicate "non-Russian German" as well?

[storm]

Chinese German, if you live in China ...

[carstorm 11]

I was born there. This is a bit different by definition. At least our relatives living there do not consider me Russian for sure) Although I have been proving the opposite to them all my life)

[Alecsandr]

But it's interesting. You are ashamed to call yourself Russian. We now have this trend. Oh, what a bad thing I am because I am Russian.

[carstorm 11]

If only you would read carefully what they write ... You climb and completely alter my words. I am German. By birth, by nationality. According to traditions and way of life. But Russian. What he was talking about.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: carstorm 11

I was born there. This is a bit different by definition. At least our relatives living there do not consider me Russian for sure) Although I have been proving the opposite to them all my life)

If I understand correctly, now Ossie and Vessey consider themselves strangers there.
The genes seem to be the same, but the mentality is not compatible.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: carstorm 11

Mom is from Belarus. Dad is German. He was also born in Germany. Live in Russia. Ukrainian wife. Why is that foolishness?

My friend's father is Ukrainian, his mother is half Estonian, but half Gypsy.
When I received my passport, I asked to indicate the nationality of Russian, although my father begged to take the Ukrainian one.

[Sergej1972]

I do not really believe in this story. In Soviet times, in mixed families, upon reaching the age of majority, one could choose from only two nationalities, the nationality of the mother or the nationality of the father, recorded in the passport. It became possible to freely indicate nationality in the post-Soviet period.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sergej1972

I do not really believe in this story. In Soviet times, in mixed families, upon reaching the age of majority, one could choose from only two nationalities, the nationality of the mother or the nationality of the father, recorded in the passport.

It was possible, he was also born in 1972. While there was a "green passport", it was as you wrote, and after they started issuing a "red passport", then they were allowed. Even L.I. Brezhnev's passport in 1957 says - Ukrainian, and already in the "red passport" - Russian. My relatives who lived and were born in the Ukrainian SSR were in the passport - Ukrainians ", and in the new passport they became - Russians.

[Alecsandr]

Russische Deutsch

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Torins

What nationality to hell?))

Without a definite place of residence (homeless person) I know and represent.
But I can't imagine a person without nationality
Yes, choose your own nationality. Who do you want to be, this nationality will be written down

[Peak]

Quote: Seryoga64

Without a definite place of residence (homeless person) I know and represent.
But I can't imagine a person without nationality

Without nationality , it's like a weed that has grown without a father and mother, practically janissary raised artificially and does not recognize anyone but his padishah.

Such a "person without a face" fits well into the hostile ideology of "multiculturalism" produced by the West.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: PiK

Without nationality, it's like a weed that grew without a father and mother,

I completely agree with you

Such a "person without a face" fits well into the hostile ideology of "multiculturalism" produced by the West.

Well, it's like not a man and not a woman
You won't understand who

[NDR-791]

Quote: PiK

Without nationality, it's like a weed that has grown without a father and mother

Heh, here's a guy working for us. Mother is Kazakh, father is Tatar. And then who is he ??? And so, as it should be, all relatives up to the seventh generation knows. Well, what kind of weed is he ???

[Peak]

Quote: NDR-791

Heh, here's a guy working for us. Mother is Kazakh, father is Tatar. And then who is he ???

Does such an elementary question baffle you? ? ?

Would you take, but ask a peasant how it is customary for Tatars to determine nationality - by father or by mother?

[NDR-791]

Quote: PiK

Does such an elementary question baffle you? ? ?

No, he doesn't put me down. The man himself tells everyone that he is Russian

[Peak]

Quote: NDR-791

The man himself tells everyone that he is Russian

No problem .
Such self-identification is not a crime, moreover, it has a wide historical practice, which I have already written about here, partially referring to just Russianized Tatars ...

[Alecsandr]

Three nations that define Russia: Russians, Ukrainians, Tatars. This is the backbone of Russia.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: PiK

How is it customary among Tatars to define nationality - by father or mother?

Yes, an adult man, decide yourself who you are !!!
This is not a choice of a man or a woman

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: NDR-791

Mother is Kazakh, father is Tatar. And then who is he ???

He is Kazatarin.

[Alecsandr]

No, he is a Turkic, a very glorious ethnic group.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: NDR-791

... Mother is Kazakh, father is Tatar. And then who is he ???

And that's up to him. What God is he praying to?

[Hypertension]

Quote: PiK

Such a "person without a face" fits well into the hostile ideology of "multiculturalism" produced by the West.

Why would this "multiculturalism" be hostile to us? Aren't we a multinational country, where each people has its own culture?

[Peak]

Quote: Hyperion

Why would this "multiculturalism" be hostile to us?

What form they bring to us from the West, do you consider acceptable to us?

[Hypertension]

Quote: PiK

What form they bring to us from the West, do you consider acceptable to us?

I don't know about the form, but the definition of multiculturalism is as follows:

Multiculturalism is a policy aimed at preserving and developing cultural differences in a particular country and in the world as a whole, and a theory or ideology justifying such a policy.
Multiculturalism is opposed to the concept of a "melting pot", where all cultures are supposed to merge into one.

And this correlates with cultural policy in Russia.

[Peak]

Quote: Hyperion

And this correlates with cultural policy in Russia.

Don't you find that there are certain differences in the interpretation of the West and in ours, such concepts as "Multiculturalism" and "Democracy"?

It's like - "What is good for the Anglo-Saxon, death for the Russian" ...

There is no need to shove someone else's charter into our decent monastery.

[Hypertension]

Quote: PiK

You do not find that in the interpretation of the West and in our

There is multiculturalism, and there is a melting pot. That is: either all peoples are reduced to a common denominator, or each carries its own culture. Interpretations, interpretations and types of these relationships are secondary.

[Black lotos]

Quote: PiK

Without nationality, it is like a weed that grew up without a father and mother, practically a janissary raised artificially and does not recognize anyone except his padishah.

the global world has already gone beyond the boundaries of the globe.
Now, thanks to the information world, nationality is secondary. Citizen of the Earth - that's what sounds proudly than fine intra-terrestrial graters.

[lucul]

the global world has already gone beyond the boundaries of the globe.
Now, thanks to the information world, nationality is secondary. Citizen of the Earth - that's what sounds proudly than fine intra-terrestrial graters.

And only Israel adopted a national doctrine - Israel is only for Jews))))

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: lucul

the global world has already gone beyond the boundaries of the globe.
Now, thanks to the information world, nationality is secondary. Citizen of the Earth - that's what sounds proudly than fine intra-terrestrial graters.

And only Israel adopted a national doctrine - Israel is only for Jews))))

all of eastern Europe is mono-national states

[Alecsandr]

Maybe you are right. I remember Chingiz Aitmatov and his mankurts

[BAI]

Who do you want to be, this nationality will be written down

According to the latest census, 7 elves live in Russia.

[lucul]

the global world has already gone beyond the boundaries of the globe.
Now, thanks to the information world, nationality is secondary. Citizen of the Earth - that's what sounds proudly than fine intra-terrestrial graters.

There, half of these elves could be on drugs or in a drunken stupor at that moment.

[Lech from Android.]

Choose yourself who you are or not be.

[Peak]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Choose yourself who you are or not be.

Well, no ... Letting go like this, on its own, is impossible - otherwise we will have something like this:

The Ministry of Health of Ukraine approves the Declaration on the choice of a primary care physician.
In the column "Gender" there will now be three positions: M / F / N (no).

[Lech from Android.]

Hmm ... big always starts with small ... The path of the bosom of Europe is thorny and difficult ... in the future, Ukraine will have to make big sacrifices, abandon its history, nationality, gender and place of residence ... an EU citizen does not need traditional values.
Everyone will join the LGBT party.

[Peak]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Hmm ... big always starts with small ... The path of the bosom of Europe is thorny and difficult ... in the future, Ukraine will have to make big sacrifices, abandon its history, nationality, gender and place of residence ... an EU citizen does not need traditional values.
Everyone will join the LGBT party.

Well, and you say - "be whoever you want" ...

This is the same as Yeltsin's - " Take as much sovereignty as you can take "...

Then the country was almost profiled.

[Lech from Android.]

Well, everything was turned upside down, to be whoever you want by nationality is clearer than to be nobody at all.
The country was almost profiled because of this drunk and his retinue such as Berezovsky.
A drunk, quite drunk, could give Kurilles to the Japanese and launch NATO peacekeepers to the Caucasus ... I remember kitchen conversations on this topic.
Traditionally, our country is falling apart from above ... the tops should be cleaned regularly.

[Peak]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Well, everything was turned upside down, to be whoever you want by nationality is clearer than to be nobody at all.

There is no desire to exaggerate so much the most difficult and responsible question of nationality, but here in the comments, just below it was:

During the last census, 20 elves, 100-something Jedi, 3 samurai and 1 plasterer were recorded ...

[Lech from Android.]

The last census has been postponed indefinitely, I think the number of elves, samurai, Jedi and plasterers will not change after the elections ... the percentage of inadequate citizens in the country is very small
... however, on hot days in the sun, they become more active and bring a lot of problems to our society.

[Peak]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The last census has been postponed indefinitely, I think the number of elves, samurai, Jedi and plasterers will not change after the elections ... the percentage of inadequate citizens in the country is very ... though on hot days in the Sun they become more active and bring a lot of problems to our society.

here you go ... We again come to what I already pointed out:

Quote: PiK

Well, no ... Letting go like this, on its own, you can't

I will only add that - It is categorically impossible.

[Roma 1977]

This is probably the Latin "H". Stands for Homosek.

[Professor]

Quote: PiK

In the column "Gender" there will now be three positions: M / F / N (no).

"Н"means"None of your business", which is absolutely correct. When choosing a doctor, I myself will decide who to go to, and not a bureaucrat in accordance with my gender.

[Peak]

Quote: professor

"N" means "None of your business," which is absolutely correct. When choosing a doctor, I myself will decide who to go to, and not a bureaucrat in accordance with my gender.

Interesting , with what (and what problem ) will you come to the gynecologist?

Straight intrigued

[Professor]

Quote: PiK

Quote: professor

"N" means "None of your business," which is absolutely correct. When choosing a doctor, I myself will decide who to go to, and not a bureaucrat in accordance with my gender.

Interesting , with what (and what problem ) will you come to the gynecologist?

Straight intrigued

I don't understand your question. If a woman in the questionnaire did not indicate my gender, then can she contact a gynecologist?

[Peak]

Quote: professor

If a woman in the questionnaire did not indicate my gender, then can she contact a gynecologist?

Interestingly You are intriguing more and more theatrically ...

For what reason, some, probably an outsider woman fills out YOUR questionnaire?

Watch out If outsiders do something for you, it will turn out like this:

[Avior]

He just lied, this is not in the declaration, he has such a specialization in the resource.
And the form of the letterhead is completely different
https://www.medsprava.com.ua/article/ru/1208-deklaratsiya-o-vybore-vracha-pervichnoy-meditsinskoy-pomoshchi-rus#anc_2

[Alecsandr]

Professor! Didn't you really expect it? Why are you shocking the audience?

[Professor]

Quote: Alecsandr

Professor! Didn't you really expect it? Why are you shocking the audience?

Now in Israel it is not customary to write the date of birth or age in the resume. In China, marital status is not written. I am in favor of not specifying the gender either. This should not interest anyone, neither the employer nor the authorities.

[Alecsandr]

Incidentally, a reasonable decision. Otherwise, we may still be asked if you had any relatives in the occupied territories. But I, of course, exaggerate. But there is something similar

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: professor

"N" means "None of your business," which is absolutely correct. When choosing a doctor, I myself will decide who to go to, and not a bureaucrat in accordance with my gender.

Good luck in choosing your personal gynecologist!

[Avior]

Are you lying again as usual?
Typical for you.
This is not in the Declaration.
https://www.medsprava.com.ua/article/ru/1208-deklaratsiya-o-vybore-vracha-pervichnoy-meditsinskoy-pomoshchi-rus#anc_2

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

Are you lying again as usual?
Typical for you.
This is not in the Declaration.

I'm lying ?

Maybe the problem is that someone from Ukraine simply cannot read and understand what is written in Russian?

And this is literally written:

Ministry of Health of Ukraine coordinates Declaration of Choice of Primary Care Physician.
In the column "Gender" will now be provided three positions: M / F / N (no).

What are your complaints against me, considering that you simply rewrote the original draft of this Declaration?

YET it just hasn't passed, but in the future ...

[Avior]

Ministry of Health of Ukraine approves

Well, give a link that now someone is agreeing, if they didn’t lie, what they are agreeing.
And according to your reservation

you simply rewrote the original draft of this Declaration

it is clear that you lied, knowing full well that this is an old fiction from 2017, deliberately misleading the participants in the discussion, using "agree" in the present tense.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Avior

it is clear that you lied, knowing full well that this is an old fiction from 2017, deliberately misleading the participants in the discussion, using "agree" in the present tense.

well lied in the first
Alexey Pavlishchev В Facebook.
But then all the media on Runet immediately spread this fake to all ears.

[Black lotos]

Quote: PiK

The Ministry of Health of Ukraine approves the Declaration on the choice of a primary care physician.
In the column "Gender" there will now be three positions: M / F / N (no).

Yes
this is the initial version (even in Nikolaev they even managed to print it out)

Meanwhile, the press service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine commented on this situation as follows: "Option" H ", as indicated in the explanatory document to the declaration, means" not specified "and is intended for those who, for whatever reason, do not want to indicate their gender. This practice has long been adopted in many European countries, and only now it has come down to us. "
However, after a few hours it became known that the Ministry of Health decided not to introduce the third option.
“The revision of the document with option“ H ”in the gender selection column was proposed at the initial stages of development. At the moment, only two options have been left in the paragraph on sex, since the declaration from a legal point of view is not a medical document (and the paragraph “not specified” was intended for a certain category of citizens with genetic and other disorders), "the Ministry of Health said.

.

standard declaration
16 point - gender Male (cholovichy) and female (female). There are no third parties.

[Peak]

Quote: Black Lotos

Yes
this is the initial version (even in Nikolaev they even managed to print it out)

You see, this is Ukraine, where - "Seven Fridays a Week".

But the information ukrospetsnaz Avior immediately accused me of deception (lies) ...

[nnm]

Finally, someone remembered Article 26 of the Constitution.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Torins, you are still lucky ... My dad is Ukrainian, mom is Russian. The grandmother on the mother's side is Belarusian, grandfather is Mordvin. On the father's side - Romanians and Siberians. I was born in Ukraine, but from the age of 3 in Russia. Who am I?!))))))

[atalef]

Quote: Torins

My mother is Russian, and my father is Lithuanian, born in Germany, I live in Belarus. What nationality to hell?))

Ordinary, why should nationality be embarrassed?
Choose - Lithuanian or Russian.
That's all

[carstorm 11]

Which Lithuanian is here? Children's humor, like?)

[atalef]

Quote: carstorm 11

Which Lithuanian is here? Children's humor, like?)

Well, dad is a Lithuanian.
Or are you ashamed of your dad?

[carstorm 11]

Can all this be translated into normal Russian now? Or does infantile thinking get in the way of writing normal sentences?

[Alecsandr]

Belarus - definitely. Do you remember the film "White Dew" Belaya Rus! And not any nails. Although Belarus was part of the Polish principality for some time. The Russians had to fight more than once in order to return a worthy Slavic tribe of Belarusians to their bosom. Rossy you are for sure. Now we stand across the throat of everyone

[stalki]

My mother is Russian, and my father is Lithuanian, born in Germany, I live in Belarus. What nationality to hell?))

Nationality and citizenship are different things. You can be a Yakut and a Russian citizen, or you can be Russian but of American citizenship. Feel the shades? And most importantly, the human essence is more accurately cognized. at least intentions.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Torins

My mother is Russian, and my father is Lithuanian, born in Germany, I live in Belarus. What nationality to hell?))

“We, you know, say: every Russian, if you rub it properly, a Tatar will appear there” V.V. Putin speaking at the 19th EU-Russia Summit on 18 May 2007

[Avior]

Here, you know, they say: every Russian, if you rub it properly, there will be a Tatar

They say.
But at the suggestion of the French

a short version of the famous quotation from the famous work of Astolphe de Custine "Russia 1839".
“After all, a little over a hundred years ago they were real Tatars. And under the external gloss of European elegance, most of these upstarts of civilizations have preserved the bear's skin - they just put it inside with fur. But it’s enough to scrape them a little - and you will see how the wool crawls out and puffs. ”

The composition in Russia at that time was already recognized as anti-Russian (and rightly so, by the way)
But they began to quote ...

[Alecsandr]

Thanks for the footnote, I have long wanted to know where the legs grow from in this common story.

[Avior]

It is believed that the historian Karamzin introduced it into wide circulation in Russian.
but many have used it in a different form for a long time

Only Russian in the family,
My great-grandfather is Samarin,
If anyone came to me,
And so is Tatar!

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Avior

historian Karamzin

Who is Tatar by origin. Karamzins, descended from Kara Murza (Black Murza), the aristocracy of the Turkic peoples who went to the service of the Moscow Tsar.

[Avior]

But even without him, the saying was used

[Alecsandr]

As for the Tatar, you correctly noticed. When you start to be interested in the genealogy of the great Russian princely families. You will learn a lot of interesting things.

[Seryoga64]

Quote from Uncle Lee

will find a loophole and become whoever he likes ..

why search
He will call himself a Papuan and he will be
Nobody will check

[The leader of the Redskins]

The most interesting thing is that people are considering the issue, in whose passports in the column "nationality" you can safely put: DEPUTY!
When they show their credentials, it would never occur to any employee to inquire from which district a given ... individual came from.

[skif8013]

Quote: Uncle Lee

I am Russian .... So what? And whoever does not want to be Russian will find a loophole and become whoever he likes ...

One grandfather is Ukrainian, the second is from the Vyatka River, and there is a lot of it mixed, my grandmother is half Polish. And I'm Russian)

[Sergej1972]

He knew elderly people, Russians, who had siblings, recorded by Ukrainians or Belarusians during their passportisation. It's just that these relatives lived in the Ukrainian and Byelorussian SSR. Although my mother-in-law, born in the RSFSR, was recorded as a Ukrainian. And her younger sister, born in the Ukrainian SSR, on the contrary, was registered as Russian. But their parents, Ukrainian and Russian, decided so.

[atalef]

Quote: Sergej1972

so decided by their parents, Ukrainian and Russian.

Parents do not decide, at the time of obtaining a passport, if the parents of different nationalities, in the USSR in the passport office you wrote a statement which of the two nationalities you choose

[garrett]

the second is from the Vyatka river and there is a lot of mixed

um ... and what is mixed there? in the south of the Kirov region there are Tatar villages, and so is the Russian region.
Respectfully yours, native Kirov citizen.

[Yura]

And whoever wants to, he called himself Russian without any loopholes and on the basis of this an entry in the passport will be made. In the USSR, the nationality was recorded according to the applicant's words, which were not always objective.

Quote from Uncle Lee

And who does not want to be Russian - will find a loophole and become whoever he likes ...

Here, I think on the contrary, there will be much more Russians in Russia than there are.

[Avior]

In the USSR, nationality was determined by one of the parents

in accordance with the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On the Passport System in the USSR" of August 28, 1974 [3], a citizen had the right to choose the nationality of his father or mother when he received his first passport upon reaching the age of 16. More often they were chosen by their father. After that, he no longer had the right to change his nationality.

[Yura]

Quote: Avior

In the USSR, nationality was determined by one of the parents

So it is, now too. But I remember well that if a person wrote in the application a nationality that was different from his father's, say by his mother, one of his grandfathers, or had nothing at all to do with the nationality of his ancestors, then this was not forbidden by anyone and was accepted as a fact for obtaining a passport. Several of my classmates received passports with an entry in the column "nationality" - "Russian", although by their parents (both) they had a different nationality. I will note that everyone around it was perceived calmly, I would even say indifferently, as their right to decide for themselves who they should be.

[Avior]

From memory, it was necessary to choose exactly according to the parents. Perhaps, somewhere in the registry offices they looked at it through their fingers, but I did not come across this, everyone I know wrote to their parents. However, then in most cases it did not matter much, but not always.
Tatars, for example, could have their registration in Crimea limited - in some cases, nationality mattered.

[Yura]

Quote: Avior

Perhaps somewhere in the registry offices they looked at it through their fingers,

Perhaps, when my time came to receive a passport for my classmates too, it was one of the satellite cities, in one of the National Autonomies, one of the largest Komsomol construction projects, and people from all over the Union lived and worked there, and you are probably right. did not focus.

[atalef]

Quote: Avior

From memory, it was necessary to choose exactly by the parents.

exclusively for parents

[atalef]

Quote: Jura

... In the USSR, the nationality was recorded according to the applicant's words, which were not always objective.

Nothing like this,
In the birth certificate, the nationalities of the parents were recorded - from this he chose

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Jura

the nationality was recorded according to the applicant

birth certificates

[astepanov]

In all cases, when the question of nationality arises in the discussions at VO, opinions are divided in such a way that everyday nationalism (or even Nazism turning into fascism) of hardly the majority becomes obvious. In the event of any mess, he will be fully exposed, so you shouldn't wait until they start "hitting your passport." But something else is even more important: who and how will determine the nationality? If the citizen himself is one thing. If an official, then this is completely different, because an official cannot do without a ruler and a compass, and how it ends is well known. And I don't understand why this is needed? How will this help the state or the citizen, can anyone say clearly?

[lucul]

And I don’t understand why this is necessary? How will this help the state or the citizen, can anyone say clearly?

Well, look - in Russia, all culture is occupied by one nationality, all education, the entire economy. Although they all formally bear Russian surnames, they work to the detriment of Russia, and in their own pockets, then quietly emigrate.

In the 19th century, there was a dawn of Russian literature (the Silver Age), and after 1917 it just cut off like a hand, do you know a lot of modern Russian writers of the level of at least Lermontov?
And what else to expect if this business is occupied by foreigners, what kind of development of Russia do you want from them? ))))

[astepanov]

Quote: lucul

after 1917, it just cut off like a hand, do you know a lot of modern Russian writers of the level of at least Lermontov?

It is impossible to compare contemporary writers and Lermontov: these are writers fundamentally different. But the 20th century gave a lot of wonderful writers: Simonov, Alexey Tolstoy, Leonid Andreev, Tsvetaeva, Akhmatova, Fedor Abramov, Sholokhov, Polevoy, Mayakovsky ... Not enough for you? Or maybe you just don't read and make excuses that there is nothing to read?

Quote: lucul

And what else to expect if this business is occupied by foreigners, what kind of development of Russia do you want from them?

That's it, that's what I was talking about. Did you drink your tap water? And how do you distinguish “foreigner” from non-foreigner? With a compass and a ruler? Also, suppose you're right. And how will the column in the passport help? Or do you want a Star of David patch (or a crescent moon with a star, or something else)? Do not hesitate, speak directly.

[lucul]

But the 20th century gave a lot of wonderful writers: Simonov, Alexey Tolstoy, Leonid Andreev, Tsvetaeva, Akhmatova, Fedor Abramov, Sholokhov, Polevoy, Mayakovsky ...

Not even close to the Seryabrian age, that's from the word at all.

That's it, that's what I was talking about. Did you drink your tap water? And how do you distinguish “foreigner” from non-foreigner? With a compass and a ruler? And also, suppose you are right

Can you see a lot of Jews in key positions in Turkey? In China ? In Japan ? BUT ?
Why ? They measure it with a ruler and a compass, don't they?

[astepanov]

Quote: lucul

Can you see a lot of Jews in key positions in Turkey? In China ? In Japan ? BUT ?

Are there many Jews living in China and Japan? And what about the Eskimos, Mexicans, Aleuts? You, my friend, are an ordinary Natsik. And we nod to Ukraine when we ourselves are full of people like you. I have not the slightest desire to continue to communicate with you.

[lucul]

I have not the slightest desire to continue to communicate with you.

And you Izzy are not sick.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: lucul

Can you see a lot of Jews in key positions in Turkey? In China ? In Japan ? BUT ?
Why ? They measure it with a ruler and a compass, don't they?

Was it Japan and China that divided Poland from its Jewish population in the 18th century?

[husband]

And in France, Great Britain, USA?

[den3080]

I have heard and read several news about the passport in the last few days.
1. The passport will not be stamped on marriage
2. The column "Nationality" must be entered in the passport
3. Paper passports will be replaced by electronic ones from 2022. Starting from Moscow.

Some kind of bullshit, mutually exclusive blizzard and all sorts of other epithets, if you look at all this together.
What's the matter?
I suspect that these are the Russian millionaires / billionaire lawmakers who "woke up" before the elections, that the State Duma, that the Federation Council ..., but rather broke away from the trough with tasty bran - the consumption of the state budget, through their business empires.
For the most harmless thing is to make people run for new passports,
There is no harm, no sense either, and legislative activity has been shown.
As in his time Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev ... he will found Peter and Fevronia, then he will play with summer / winter time - it seems that he was sitting out his pants for a reason.

[Black lotos]

Quote: den3080

1. The passport will not be stamped on marriage

oh..it will be easier to go left now. It is not even officially defined.

Quote: den3080

2. The column "Nationality" must be entered in the passport

what she will give - apart from a reason for pride and a heap of problems, it is not clear

Quote: den3080

3. Paper passports will be replaced by electronic ones from 2022. Starting from Moscow.

and we have it since 2016. But I haven't changed it. I have it in Russian.
In electronic, there is generally even less information. No marriage, no registration ..
Photo citizenship, gender. Even the card does not belong to the owner.
Russian foreigners are exactly the same. (In biometrics)

[zenion]

Uncle Lee. If there was a column "Honorary Aryan", then there will be a column "Honorary Russian". Do not disappear as a column without an inscription. American Doodles write US Citizen. And who he really is is impossible to understand. Maybe his parents killed the Indians, that should be displayed. Like - an honorary anti-Semite, an honorary Black Hundred, an honorary enemy of the people's power, a traitor to the oath. I took it, opened it and you know what speed you need to develop, if you still can, or Moses. In the Urals in those days they called it, whatever they did, just not work.

[Thrifty]

For the inhabitants of Russia it is necessary to introduce a new nationality "team hodgepodge"! "We are all a little goose here, daze those who are not quite" ...

[alystan]

Vladimir, I don’t remember a single case when someone refused to be Russian. But on the contrary, when I wanted to become / be truly Russian and to be accepted, or even better considered Russian - there are many such examples. Many probably had such acquaintances, Russians according to their passports, and their natural physical characteristics shouted that this was a mistake. And this has / had not only the Russian nationality. In some places there was a state policy, when people were forcibly forced to indicate the nationality of the indigenous population in their passports: the Baltic states - the surnames were written as the local language demanded, the Caucasus - in the same way, Uzbekistan - all polls became Uzbeks. In Uzbekistan, there were those who accepted it under administrative pressure, and there were those who deliberately went for it (who do not know, this is about Bukharian Jews). There and now, as far as I know, there are still a lot of so-called ethnic Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Turkmens, etc., who "became" Uzbeks at the very beginning of the passportisation of the population. Karimov, an ethnic Tajik, never denied this, but to the end considered himself an Uzbek. Or Aliyev, an ethnic Kurd, but considers himself an Azerbaijani. Saakashvili - what kind of Georgian is he? Yes, he grew up in Georgia, absorbed, as they say, with mother's milk both the language, culture and customs ... But he is not a Georgian, for whom he claims to be. Pashinyan is exactly the same Armenian as Zelensky / Poroshenko / ... Ukrainians. Here is the last example that is not entirely successful, here the word Ukrainian (or something else) would be better suited for nationality, since the word Ukrainian has a kind of generalizing-unifying meaning, such as a resident of Ukraine.

[alystan]

Before I had time to edit the error, one thing was spinning in my head, and my fingers on the keyboard filled something completely different.
Here's how it would be in the correct version:
"Here is the last example, which is not entirely successful, here something else would be better suited for the nationality, since the word Ukrainian has, as it were, a generalizing-unifying meaning, like a resident of Ukraine."

[Peak]

I voted - "Yes". The column "nationality" does not constrain me in any way and does not discredit me.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: PiK

I voted - "Yes"

I voted - "no", as I consider it harmful and not very smart action. What to write when the blood is from 5 nationalities? Rave

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

What to write when the blood is from 5 nationalities?

Choose what nationality you are and that's it

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Seryoga64

Choose what nationality you are and that's it

why should I choose one out of 5? Is this based on what? What is the deputy so decided?

[atalef]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: Seryoga64

Choose what nationality you are and that's it

why should I choose one out of 5? Is this based on what? What is the deputy so decided?

Then I think there is an option - without nationality.
The same, however, does not contradict.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Is this based on what?

Based on who you are
There are homeless people, and you are a FACE WITHOUT NATIONALITY (LBN)
It is convenient to scream about a different nationality everywhere in any nix
It seems like an adult, define who you are

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Seryoga64

Based on who you are

Quote: Seryoga64

It seems like an adult, define who you are

poke at home, I have equal parts in the blood of Russians, Cossacks, Ukrainians, Finns and Greeks, so I don’t have to prove to ANYONE who I am - I’m just a citizen of the Russian Federation, I love my Motherland and die for it or kill it, not to be confused with oligarchic power

[Seryoga64]

So write. DON'T KNOW WHO I AM

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Seryoga64

So write. DON'T KNOW WHO I AM

but I know exactly who YOU ​​are

[Seryoga64]

Quote: PiK

I voted - "Yes". The column "nationality" does not constrain me in any way and does not discredit me.

It runs with us on a par with the Homeless (homeless), we were all BON People, that is, without a certain nationality

[NDR-791]

I just don’t understand what does the passport have to do with it? At the census, the nationality is asked and entered on a piece of paper. My uncle even quarreled with the pollsters on this topic in 2002. He says - "he was always a chaldon, so write", and they told him - "There is no such nationality !!!".

[Zhan]

Good morning everyone. I think this column was removed in vain. Keeping statistical records on a national basis has become much more difficult.

[Torins]

Do you need it?

[Peak]

Quote: Torins

Do you need it?

Necessary ! Otherwise, then "unpleasant moments" will "climb out" as with Ukraine, which by all means is striving to become purely ethnically mono-national, with the most complex and "mixed" ethnic composition of the population.

[Torins]

And what can happen in Russia as in Ukraine? I don’t believe it. In Russia, nationalism is played by rare marginals, as for me.

[Peak]

Quote: Torins

And what can happen in Russia as in Ukraine?

Nobody believed in 1917 in the collapse of Ingushetia, in 1991 in the collapse of the USSR, until 2014, no one except those initiated into the plan to create "anti-Russia" imagined that this was possible at all.

Do you want to go blindfold on the rake?

[Torins]

So the fact of the matter is that with the collapse of the union, the territories fell away from it essentially on a national basis, what other nationalist enclave do you want to disconnect from the Russian Federation?

[Peak]

Quote: Torins

So the fact of the matter is that with the collapse of the union, the territories fell away from it essentially on a national basis, what other nationalist enclave do you want to disconnect from the Russian Federation?

"Fell off" along artificially delineated boundaries.

Donbass, Kharkiv (Slobozhanshchina), Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson or Chernigov, for example, are they Ukrainian regions?

And what do you immediately "disconnect"?

Would you like to join it on a national basis?

[atalef]

Quote: PiK

Donbass, Kharkiv (Slobozhanshchina), Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson or Chernigov, for example, are they Ukrainian regions?

Of course, they are located within the borders of the state of Ukraine.
Borders recognized by the world community and Russia, including

[Seryoga64]

Quote: PiK

Do you want to go blindfold on the rake?

Moreover, for such

[NDR-791]

Quote: PiK

Nobody believed in the collapse of Ingushetia in 1917, in the collapse of the USSR in 1991,

In the USSR, there was a graph in the passport. Did it somehow help with the collapse?

[your1970]

Quote: PiK

Necessary !

During the last census, 20 elves, 100-something Jedi, 3 samurai and 1 plasterer were recorded ...
Apparently, his mother is a concrete mixer, and his father is a cement truck ...

But seriously, the nationality will be unconfirmed, purely from the words of the citizen ...
And after the introduction of this column, unpleasant situations of the level "Your passport says that you are Russian - and you are a Negro / Tajik / Chinese" may arise ...
But this is a trifle - what in fact, apart from supporting small peoples, does this column give? Russian Negro realizing himself Russian - what will he get from this? And if he will make himself a black man?
Right! He will receive in both cases - nothing ...

[Peak]

Quote: your1970

"Your passport says that you are Russian - and you are a Negro / Tajik / Chinese" ...

A.S. Pushkin, great-grandson of Arap (Ethiopian-Eritrean) Peter the Great, who do we consider by nationality?

[your1970]

Quote: PiK

Quote: your1970

"Your passport says that you are Russian - and you are a Negro / Tajik / Chinese" ...

A.S. Pushkin, great-grandson of Arap (Ethiopian-Eritrean) Peter the Great, who do we consider by nationality?

On current At times, the inhabitants of Moscow would consider it a black-haired guest worker. Isn't that so?
What would a Russian passport entry give him now?

[Sergej1972]

Great-grandfather married a Russian, and later his children and grandchildren entered into marriages with Russians. So, according to our legislation, Pushkin would be unambiguously Russian. And his self-awareness was Russian.

[your1970]

1)

Quote: Sergej1972

So, according to our legislation, Pushkin would be unambiguously Russian

I am ashamed to ask - what is your LEGISLATION??
Even in the USSR there were no laws defining nationality according to the principle of who married whom ...
There was one state that controlled this issue, but it ended very quickly - they met at 12, and the artist self-sawed
2)

Quote: Sergej1972

And his self-awareness was Russian.

Naturally he is Russian, to the core. But then he was periodically called a monkey in salons ...
What would a curly-haired and dark-haired Pushkin give an entry in his passport that he was Russian today?
Here small nationalities will be given funds - and rightly so.
What will the stamp in the passport give - Russian? Feelings of pride? So who is proud - he is proud now. He doesn't need a stamp for this ...

[AAC]

with the help of a DNA test, it will be possible to clarify who is more, Tajik or Chinese.
People do not protect their gene pool ...

[atalef]

Quote: PiK

Quote: Torins

Do you need it?

Necessary ! Otherwise, then "unpleasant moments" will "climb out" as with Ukraine, which by all means is striving to become purely ethnically mono-national, with the most complex and "mixed" ethnic composition of the population.

And what does Ukraine have to do with it?

[Peak]

Quote: atalef

And what does Ukraine have to do with it?

An instructive example of how not to do it.

Any more questions?

[atalef]

Quote: PiK

An instructive example of how not to do it.

Any more questions?

Of course, and how is it impossible?

[BAI]

Necessary ! yes Otherwise, they will "climb out" later

And then it turns out that if before the war in the 90s there were a lot of Russians in Chechnya, now there are almost none of them there. And in the national republics there are quotas for administrative and managerial personnel based on ethnicity (of course, not vowels - everyone knows about them, but no one speaks - they somehow explain on the fingers). In some places - even generic quotas. And admission to the university - benefits on a national basis. Representatives of which nation go to universities according to target enrollments (quotas) from the Chechen Republic? And to which doctor is it better to go - to the one who acted honestly, or to the one who entered the so-called "national quota" and after graduating from the university speaks Russian with difficulty?

[Black lotos]

Quote: PiK

which, by all means, strives to become purely ethnically mono-national, with the most complex and "mixed" national composition of the population.

more than 130 nationalities and ethnic groups
and their number will only increase.
But by citizenship they will all be Ukrainians.
But if you really want it, you can !!

"Nationality - Ukrainian".
This entry was made in the passport of a citizen of Ukraine Serhiy Omelchenko by the department of the State Migration Service in 2016.
It took Omelchenko half a year in court to achieve this.

So if you really want your passport to the Nationality column, then you can spend time and money in court and put it. It does not bear any advantage, except pride.
Regulations on the passport of a citizen of Ukraine from 1992 - Nationality column is not provided.
So in most countries the definition of "nationality" (for example, English "nationality", German "nationalität") does not mean ethnicity, but citizenship, while ethnicity is not recorded in passports. Thus, legal equality is emphasized, which, in general, should be treated positively.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Torins

Do you need it?

It depends on whom
Yes, for me

[hagen]

Quote: Zhan

Keeping statistical records on a national basis has become much more difficult.

For this, a population census is carried out. The questionnaire contains the "nationality" column. From these sheets, calculations and forecasts are mainly made regarding macroeconomic goals related to demography. The poll in the article is not correct. There is no third column - an indication of the nationality at the request of the passport holder in the form of an additional printed impression, as an option.

[atalef]

Quote: Hagen

afa - indication of nationality at the request of the owner

There is no such thing - at will.
Nationality is chosen from two - mother or father - at will or without nationality.

[hagen]

Quote: atalef

There is no such thing - at will.

Not today. The issue is still under discussion. In my opinion, it is possible to register nationality in an existing document, with an elementary seal, as a mark of marriage. Whoever wants, let him put, whoever does not want to, he expresses his will when issuing a passport. I don't see a technical problem.

Quote: atalef

Nationality is chosen from two - mother or father - at will or without nationality.

"Everyone has the right to determine and indicate your nationality. No one can be forced to determine and indicate their nationality. "Study the Constitution of the Russian Federation, everything is written there.

[atalef]

Quote: Hagen

Everyone has the right to determine and indicate his nationality

It is not possible to determine the nationality - otherwise the very meaning of the recording is lost.
Father's or mother's nationality to choose from (if different) or Karakolpak, if both parents are Karakolpak.

[Dimy4]

In the Union there was a graph of nationality, for example, Georgian, Ukrainian, Tajik. Where are all these republics now? Separated safely. And the introduction of this column is another attempt to drive a wedge into the multinational essence of Russia.

[Zhan]

Quote: Dimy4

In the Union there was a graph of nationality, for example, Georgian, Ukrainian, Tajik. Where are all these republics now? Separated safely. And the introduction of this column is another attempt to drive a wedge into the multinational essence of Russia.

But they are present in our country and they are citizens of the Russian Federation.

[tatra]

The people on the territory of the USSR for all 103 years of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods are divided into Soviet and anti-Soviet - according to the mentality, in relation to their country, the history of their country - regardless of nationalities, and if the Soviet people - proved that they are in favor of living in one big country, as it was for centuries in Russia, and then in the USSR, the anti-Soviet people proved that they are for the dismemberment of this one big country.

[Lech from Android.]

You do not speak for the whole people ... if someone does not agree with you, then he is automatically anti-Soviet and an enemy of the communists ... you don’t need to invent anything.

[Catfish]

Lesha, "Don't shoot the pianist," he has a fad.

[tatra]

It is not necessary to malign and criticize. And you try to refute my words.

[Lech from Android.]

Why refute ... I like a lot in the ideas of communism.
But unfortunately, the path to communism is still long, very long, maybe more than one millennium if we do not burn out earlier in the flame of contradictions.
Humanity has not matured in its development even to the rudiments of communism ... greed, egoism, hatred, envy are pulling down, and you Tatra hate the enemies of the communists ... but you can't build a house on hatred in which we will all live together.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: tatra

Soviet people

Quote: tatra

anti-Soviet people

If you take control of television channels and the Internet space in a particular republic or country, then within a year or two you can easily turn one people into another.
And about

Quote: tatra

live in one big country, as it has been for centuries in Russia

Somehow, the Jewish pogroms in pre-revolutionary Russia do not fit into this concept.

[tatra]

No, no matter how much the anti-Soviet people who seized the RSFSR and created their own State-Russian Federation on its territory, or slander the Bolshevik-communists through their TV, media, Internet, the Soviet Russian people do not succumb to it. Including the fact that at VO we are divided into Soviet and anti-Soviet.

[Alecsandr]

You don’t write the truth.

[atalef]

Quote: tatra

The people on the territory of the USSR for all 103 years of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods are divided into Soviet and anti-Soviet - according to the mentality, in relation to their country, the history of their country - regardless of nationalities, and if the Soviet people - proved that they are in favor of living in one big country, as it was for centuries in Russia, and then in the USSR, the anti-Soviet people proved that they are for the dismemberment of this one big country.

What is this nationality? Soviet - anti-Soviet?
Well, in general, the national minority - the Soviet people (it will work out) - what privileges will a Czech truck require?
Beer at half the price?

[Alecsandr]

I completely agree with you. The phenomenon of the Soviet people and mentality exists. It even remained in the former GDR

[Polite Moose]

I subscribe to your opinion regarding the "nationality" column. This time bomb has already gone off once, when the Union disintegrated along ethnic lines. I will make a reservation that at the same time the republics are not at all

Quote: Dimy4

Safely separated

a lot of blood was shed.
Here I have a question: why are we again being pushed to the same rake of nationalism, which sooner or later will sprout? Divide and conquer, or what?

[Dimy4]

This time bomb has already gone off once when the Union disintegrated along ethnic lines.

All that remains is to introduce into the Constitution the right to self-determination of subjects.

[Cheshire]

Yes.
And all sorts of liberos are coming ...

[Fenia04]

Strange initiative, leave room for the rest of the signs below. Parent one, two. You live in Russia, Russian. And nationality is a bullshit, they invented an ethnic nonsense.
We will allocate money to preserve the language. If native speakers want to keep it, let it keep it, otherwise it turns out they will keep it, they will help and then they will also say “invaders” after how many years the dissatisfied ones.

[raw174]

Quote: Fenia04

You live in Russia, Russian. And nationality is a bullshit, invented, ethnic nonsense.

I live in Russia, I am not Russian, I am Tatar. My grandfathers and grandmothers were Tatars ... I am in favor of having a nationality column, it does not discredit anyone, but on the contrary emphasizes the multinationality of Russia.

[Graz]

They hit not on the passport, but in the face

[Catfish]

An exceptionally correct remark, I myself wanted to write the same thing.

[Alecsandr]

Why beat right away, and isn't it better to make friends

[Alecsandr]

Watch the film "Tashkent is the city of bread"

[Zaurbek]

Those who go to the state authorities (mainly the power ones) change their surnames to Russians and so on ... from the point of view of small peoples, such a graph inhibits assimilation, from the point of view of the titular nations, its absence is better

[Lech from Android.]

The lack of nationality just hits a person from the point of view of his culture.
If I see a Georgian in front of me, I immediately associate him with Georgian culture, songs, fine wine, cap-airfield ... in the end with Bagration.
Or let's take Armenians among whom there are many worthy people ... Mkrtchyan, for example, or General Baghramyan ... they are easy to remember ... but deprive a person of his nationality and he turns into nothing, something amorphous and it is easy to control such people and suppress their will.

[Zaurbek]

If under the USSR there were some quotas for the promotion of national cadres: in the party, army, KGB, artists, etc. Now no. And these comrades would not become generals with such surnames ... In the army it is even simpler, but in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Judiciary is definitely not. Therefore, the surnames are being converted to Russian.

[Sergej1972]

How did Rashid Nurgaliev become a general and minister? And many generals of the Russian Guard, the Ministry of Internal Affairs do not have Russian surnames.

[Avior]

Do you think Ovans Khachaturovich became worse at fighting because he became Ivan Khristoforovich?

[Zaurbek]

It's just that now the great and clever Vanessa will not become a general.

[mark1]

I have the impression that all this "thoughtful" work to improve the passport (introduction of the nationality column, deletion of the marital status / children column) is either a sign of degeneration of the current composition of the State Duma, or a disguise (forerunner) of some very significant future.
Rather, the second, and again with the redistribution of goods, our authorities do not work for free.

[Lech from Android.]

With both hands for this proposal ... it’s uncomfortable to feel like a man without clan and tribe.
I never understood those who took the nationality away from people ... his roots, his home, his culture under the guise of democracy and human rights ... it was here that human rights were violated.

[Torins]

Who took what from you? Has everything disappeared without the column in the passport? What kind of nationality is this that does not exist without a registration in the passport?

[Lech from Android.]

I am nobody without the Russian column in my passport.
Some kind of Russian ... Just at the Olympics, they will associate me with Russian athletes under the white flag of Vlasov who surrendered to the Germans.
So no la la, you do not want to have a nationality, this is your right ... but I want to be a Russian and I will remain so until my death and there is no need to deprive me of the right to be called Russian in my passport ...

[rocket757]

The question is - how were all of the above taken away from you?

[Lech from Android.]

How now you are not a Russian but a Russian ... you will of course excuse me, I feel more like a Russian than a Russian.
As I remember the unforgettable Yeltsin, always drunk in a hollow with his indescribable ... Dear Russians, it turns out so directly ... that I can be united with this Russian ... nothing.

[rocket757]

Come on, I don't want to remember the drunk and everything connected with him ... disgusting, at least.
And so, who am I by nationality, from an ethnic point of view ... the question is difficult.
Who am I in spirit - a Soviet man.
Everything, I don't care about anything anymore.
PPP. In the column, nationality was always written RUSSIAN, although an experienced ethnographer once or twice calculates the eastern, Tien Shan roots of my relatives by face.

[Lech from Android.]

You are a wonderful Soviet man .. I only support you ... and here I am a Russian man ... what's wrong with that ... why can't I be Russian in my passport ... I'm not infringing on someone's rights while doing this?

[rocket757]

I want to note that I don't care whether there is such a graph or not ... I am against throwing there and here ALWAYS, when there are no serious reasons to arrange such a muddle that will not bring anything useful to anyone, by and large ... except those faces who are trying to earn some ghostly bonuses on it, or even real material buns.

[Sergej1972]

And I feel myself to be a Russian, and a Russian, and a Great Russian.

[Rubi0]

Why repeat the mistake of the Bolsheviks? Divide and Conquer is a well-known principle. In a generation, you will get again the forced national elites who themselves want to rule in their small republics without looking back at the center for inciting from the outside ... Well, they have already passed, why divide again? Give those more skin color, show your eyes in order to segment society completely.

[Lech from Android.]

No need to invent, under the Bolsheviks it was the Russian people who were in the position of a rootless tribe.
Nat. Elites become impudent from impunity and permissiveness.
Sometimes we still see this on our territory.

[Rubi0]

Well, that's right, and you still want to aggravate this process, and then that there will again be screams about the prison of nations? What problem does this graph solve at the level of the state and its development?

[Lech from Android.]

The cries of the prison of peoples will always be, there will always be people dissatisfied with the peaceful life of peoples in Russia.
There are those who want to embroil nations among themselves, including those from abroad.
But it is necessary to develop the culture of peoples, and not suppress it by depriving these very peoples of their nationality in the main document of a citizen of Russia.

[lucul]

Why repeat the mistake of the Bolsheviks? Divide and Conquer is a well-known principle. In a generation, you will get again the forced national elites who themselves want to rule in their small republics without looking back at the center for inciting from the outside ... Well, they have already passed, why divide again? Give those more skin color, show your eyes in order to segment society completely.

Blatant lie. It was the Bolsheviks who removed the nationality from the column in order to hide the fact of the occupation of Russia.

In a generation, you will get again the forced national elites who themselves want to rule in their small republics without looking back at the center for inciting from outside ...

The second lie - until 1917 Russia was growing in territories without any national issues.
And then the Bolsheviks came and national issues began sharply.

[north 2]

Stop with this nationality. Passport is a certificate of citizenship. ... Citizen of Russia, period. Of course, the national policy of the communists of the USSR is still hereditary death of Russia in the back. Nationality in the passport of a citizen of the USSR, national Supreme Councils of the Republics, national Central Committees of the Communist Party of the Republics. As a result, the current borders of Russia, after such an ethnic policy, which Gorbachev took advantage of, were thrown back four hundred years ago. And already today in this geographically chopped off Russia there are national republics with their own even Presidents! What are you doing! It is not a record of nationality in passports that should be entered, but national republics should be abolished, and instead of them, provinces should be created according to a geographic and economic principle, without any internal political local authority. Only the economic and economic local authorities. Come to your senses, if you do not want the collapse of Russia as well, following the example of the collapse of the USSR!

[Lech from Android.]

So you are destroying Russia yourself, turning its citizens into something amorphous ... into it ... depriving a person of his culture and national roots ... no need to deceive people.

[Rubi0]

A person should develop and grow rich together with the country, and not play at nationalism. It never did anything good. If a person assesses himself with some ethnic group, then this is his right. Right now, countries renounce sex in order to be politically correct and write parent 1 parent 2 in their testimonies, and as practice shows, such countries live better in the long term and without shocks every generation.

[Lech from Android.]

Is nationality in the passport already nationalism?
Or if I’m Russian so they immediately write me down as nationalists ... then you will really turn the country into a prison of peoples.

[Rubi0]

Once again, which problem of the existing problems does this initiative solve at the state level? Now the policy of the state is very liberal, if you are conditionally Chinese, then no one forbids you to play the Guzhen, learn Chinese and drink sake in the evening reading Chinese philosophers, you can even become a geisha, God))) everything is available, what other reforms do you lack?

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Rubi0

drinking sake in the evening reading Chinese philosophers, you can at least become a geisha forgiven the Lord

Geisha and sake are the Japanese. The Chinese have Xi Jinping.

[Cat]

Geisha and sake are the Japanese. The Chinese have Xi Jinping.

Instead of geisha and sake?
And we have a straight line instead of women and vodka?

[lucul]

everything is available, what other reforms are you missing?

Such

[lucul]

A person should develop and grow rich together with the country, and not play at nationalism. It never did anything good. If a person assesses himself with some ethnic group, then this is his right. Right now, countries are renouncing gender in order to be politically correct and write parent 1 parent 2 in their certificates, and as practice shows, such countries live better in the long term and without shocks every generation

Tell that to Israel - which recently officially adopted the doctrine - Israel is for Jews only.
Probably the Jews are stupid, right? Have you accepted such a doctrine?

[atalef]

Quote: lucul

Tell that to Israel - which recently officially adopted the doctrine - Israel is for Jews only.

What kind of nonsense?
Where did you get this?

Quote: lucul

Probably the Jews are stupid, right? Have you accepted such a doctrine?

Yes - it is you stupid person who believed in this nonsense

[lucul]

What kind of nonsense?
Where did you get this?

Another one in the forest does not see trees))))
On, enlighten

https://ria.ru/20180719/1524910628.html

[atalef]

Quote: lucul

What kind of nonsense?
Where did you get this?

Another one in the forest does not see trees))))
On, enlighten

https://ria.ru/20180719/1524910628.html

Do you have a problem reading comprehension?
The home of the Jewish people and only for Jews are completely different things.
Read the article carefully

We establish in the law the basic principle of our existence: Israel is the national state of the Jewish people, which respects the individual rights of all its citizens.

[lucul]

Do you have a problem reading comprehension?

No need to hide from reality, inventing excuses for yourself)))
Here it is written in black and white:

The document declares Israel "the national home of the Jewish people", and the Jews - the only people that has the right to national self-determination within its borders.

))))

[atalef]

Quote: lucul

No need to hide from reality, inventing excuses for yourself)))
Here it is written in black and white:

do you understand Hebrew and know what it is about?

Quote: lucul

))))

good and how do you understand this paragraph?
that no one except a Jew can come to Israel?
Well, let's...
Your opinion

[lucul]

Your opinion

I repeat - it is written in black and white

The document declares Israel "the national home of the Jewish people" and the Jews are the only people who have the right to national self-determination within its borders.

[atalef]

Quote: lucul

Your opinion

I repeat - it is written in black and white

The document declares Israel "the national home of the Jewish people" and the Jews are the only people who have the right to national self-determination within its borders.

Are you having trouble reading comprehension?
I ask you once again how you interpret this paragraph, what do you think it means.
I clearly asked?
What are the consequences of this law?
Well, shine with intelligence.
everyone knows how to copy and paste. especially taking paragraphs out of context.

[lucul]

Are you having trouble reading comprehension?

This is yours))))
And you are going to play up in Jewish)))
It’s not clear to me, what can be incomprehensible for an adult in this phrase? ))))
Well ? ))))))

and the Jews are the only people that have the right to national self-determination within its borders.

Well, what's incomprehensible? )))))
Can I still paint why the Sun rises, and the water is wet? Don't you understand this too? )))))

[atalef]

Quote: lucul

I ask you once again how you interpret this paragraph, what do you think it means.

Quote: lucul

Well ? )))

understandably merged.
to lukulla you probably only reach for gluttony.
Good luck.

[lucul]

understandably merged.

Blah blah blah
Otherwise, I don’t know the standard female trick: make the opponent speak, find a weak point in the text and translate arrows to it))))
Izzyu is always visible from a mile)))

[Rubi0]

Israel is a special case of a mono-state, Poland, for example, also pursued such a policy and resettled Ukrainians by 2 families per village, or even resettled them in wagons during the Vistula operation, how do you want to do this in the modern world in a country that is by definition a federation? England prescribes nationality for immigrants from hostile countries, Turkey prescribes for Kurds ... I think you understand the analogies. That is why I am asking what problem do you want to solve or create on the contrary?

[Gardamir]

I'm wondering, the perestroika people promised a lot. For example, the right to demonstrate. Now it turns out there are permitted and prohibited demonstrations. We proudly canceled the nationality entry in our passports. And now much of the Soviet experience is being returned, but not concern for the people.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
Я
 I get
     from wide legs
duplicate
      priceless cargo.
Read,
     envy ...
***

[AUL]

Not the topic! Citizenship and nationality are different things!
But, if it comes to pasia - hold it!

I'm in a lock, tfu-tfu-tfu!
The bear drinks the damned
says what the count
the fifth was not allowed ... (V.S. Vysotsky)

[Hagalaz]

I voted for. But I think that filling in this column should be set voluntary. If a person wants to position himself as a part of some kind of ethnic group - he enters it, if he doesn't want - yes, please!

[rocket757]

Change back and forth ... the office writes, the semblance of stormy activity is theirs.
The country, the population is multinational, and all should be united by one thing - we are citizens of one great country!
The rest is everything from ....

[Lech from Android.]

You will not be able to unite people only on one name of the country ... Try to deprive a Chechen or Tatar of his nationality, you will get the worst enemy.
There should be other braces here.

[rocket757]

The name of the country is not just a line somewhere there.
It's a lot of things in one ... glass.
And again, how can a single citizenship deprive someone of something ???
As always, everything depends on the attitude of citizens to the state, the state to citizens.
The question is vast, it cannot be described in a nutshell.
My opinion ... how many people, so many opinions, this is NORMAL.

[Lech from Android.]

Where is the name of the country in the Russian team at the Tokyo Olympics ... how can I respect this name if all and sundry are wiping their feet on it ... first of all, our power itself.
And then you say that the name of the country unites.

[rocket757]

The natural consequences of a chain of actions, events and other stupidity on our part!
I will not list, I will not repeat myself, I will remind you of one thing, WE ARE ALL GUILTY that we are led by those who they are .... and then there is nothing particularly proud of.
And the country is a combination of many things ... in plain sight, first of all, the actions of the top and the attitude towards them from below!
We do not respect ourselves, we cannot / do not want / are not ready to keep the brand! So we get on the face from those whom those who we were before skillfully put in place for one, two.

[askort154]

The issue of canceling the column in the passport "nationality" was lobbied by the Jews, since their nationality is determined by the mother, and in all other nations in Russia, by the father. And they broke through this topic in the State Duma, in 1992, the column disappeared from the passport. And logically, if there is no column in the passport, then why then single out the administrative divisions of the country by nationality.
I remember that Zhirinovsky in the 90s proposed to correct Lenin's mistake -
division of the USSR into national republics, and return to the practice of the "Russian Empire", where the administrative division of the state was in the "provinces". But today it turns out that Russia is territorially divided into national autonomies and districts, and the inhabitants do not officially have nationality. As a result, this situation should be corrected in accordance with the realities, and not halfway.

[Moskovit]

Why be afraid of your nationality? If you are very scared, then you can write - the son of a lawyer)). Only Russians are embarrassed to say, I am Russian! Approach any representative of our southern republics, none of them in their right mind will call themselves Russian, even though they are Russians.

[Alecsandr]

You have a good sarcasm! But we, Russians, are still many in the world. We are the backbone of Russia. There will be no us, there will be no Russia.

[Dmitry Potapov]

And I generally propose to somehow designate in Russia the territories that are primordially Russian. And it turns out that all the peoples of Russia have "their own" territory (Mordovia, Bashkiria, Tatarstan, etc.) and the Russians have nothing!

[Sergej1972]

The fact is that Russians are numerically predominant in all the remaining autonomous okrugs and autonomous regions, and in a third of the republics of the Russian Federation. And in a third of the republics, they either constitute a relative majority, or are the second largest people, accounting for 30-45% of the population. In Mordovia you mentioned the majority of the population, in Tataria the Russians are not much less Tatars, in a number of regions, cities, in a number of districts of the city of Kazan, they constitute the majority. In Bashkiria, no nation predominates, but the largest ethnic group is the Russians. And in Karelia and Khakassia, the percentage of Russians is almost higher than the average for the Russian Federation. In the huge Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, for one and a half million people, there are only 30 thousand Khanty and Mansi. That is, they are only 2% of the population, although this subject is named after them. There are more Nenets in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, but they are in a clear minority there too. In many cases, cities and regions with a predominantly Russian population were included in the autonomies from the very beginning, back in the days of the RSFSR. On the other hand, the majority of Tatars, Mordovians, a significant part of representatives of many other peoples of Russia live outside of "their" subjects, a significant part have never been there and do not maintain ties with them. And many peoples, although indigenous, did not and do not have any autonomy. Therefore, the conclusion is that the orientation towards the current political-territorial division is wrong. On the other hand, one should not look at the primordial settlement of peoples, but at the real ethnic composition of the territories. What's the point that the Khanty and Mansi live in their original territory, if their share in the population of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug is scanty? What real impact can they have on district policy and governance? Do they need this district? It is more needed for Slavic officials who do not want full integration of the district with the Tyumen region.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Nevertheless, why not declare the territories of regions that do not have national affiliation "Republic of Rus" !?

[Sergej1972]

What's the point of creating duplicate, parallel structures? In the territories and regions, as well as in cities of federal significance, approximately 85% of the population of the Russian Federation already lives, they provide the production of over 90% of the gross domestic product. People from the territories and regions, as well as from cities of federal significance, absolutely dominate in all central structures of power in Russia. Putin, Mishustin, Medvedev, Matvienko, Volodin, the overwhelming majority of deputy prime ministers and ministers, members of the Constitutional and Supreme Courts, the Prosecutor General, the Chairman of the Investigative Committee, ombudsmen for the protection of human rights, for the protection of the rights of the child - come from the territories, regions and cities of federal significance , and not from the republics of the Russian Federation. The same applies to the top generals. Natives of the republics - Defense Minister Shoigu (a Russified Tuvan, more connected with the Krasnoyarsk Territory) and Tatar Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin, as well as a couple of Deputy Chairmen of the Federation Council. Even a number of heads of the republics, a significant part of the ministers of the interior, most of the heads of the FSB departments, prosecutors of the republics also come from the territories, regions, Moscow and St. Petersburg. In China, it never occurs to anyone to create the Han Autonomous Region from the provinces and cities of central subordination. In India, no one proposes to create a single Hindi-speaking superstate out of the Hindi-speaking states. Also in Spain, no one proposes to unite all the autonomous regions inhabited by the Castilians into a single autonomous region. England in the United Kingdom, unlike Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, does not have its own parliament and executive bodies.

[Prisoner]

It is so indifferent that it doesn't matter. Under the Union there was a count, they wrote in the questionnaires, and maybe even someone, with closed doors and closed curtains, looked at this record and scratched his turnip, appointing to a new position and place of service. Do not know. All the worker-peasant romantics of military service were like incubators. They were amicably receiving luly for the jambs, amicably grabbing unexpected rewards and just as amicably receiving appointments and stomping in a multinational crowd until some kind of shipment. I am a Tatar and how did it help or hinder me in my life? No way. The main thing is not to be a nit.

[Kapkan]

Russian is a state of mind and NADethnos.
And yes, I would like to indicate this in my passport.

[Cat]

As soon as the question of nationality comes up, you should know - they want to get into your pocket.

[Lech from Android.]

Yeah, in this pocket more than one hand has been rummaging for a long time ... since the time of Chubais. .. there is a pension reform, there is a dacha and garage amnesty ... you have been robbed for a long time without any nationality.

[Troll]

Muscovites. They speak Russian at home. Dad "come in large numbers" Kirghiz, mom, say, Ukrainian. When a child receives a passport, what nationality should he enter?
This is the first thing that comes to mind.

[Peak]

Quote: Troll

Muscovites. They speak Russian at home. Dad "come in large numbers" Kirghiz, mom, say, Ukrainian. When a child receives a passport, what nationality should he enter?
This is the first thing that comes to mind.

And who recorded the baptized, Russified Tatars, whose derivatives from their Tatar names, surnames and nicknames became their Russian surnames?

This is in case the parents (Kyrgyz and Ukrainian) decide to enroll the child not by the father's nationality ...

Or by whom was Sophia Frederica Augusta of Anhalt-Zerbst baptized into Orthodoxy recorded?

[Troll]

That was before. And today at the passport office, reading the birth certificate, they will ask: "What are we entering? Ukrainian or Kyrgyz?" And the child lives in Moscow all his life, speaks only Russian and cannot imagine life except in Russia

[Black lotos]

Quote: PiK

baptized into Orthodoxy Sophia Frederica Augusta of Anhalt-Zerbst

Ekaterina Alekseevna
That for her the ceremony was obligatory
Karl Peter Ulrich von Schleswig-Holstein Gottorf also underwent the ceremony. Only a little earlier
Most of all "Russian" it was made by the advertisement of Peter 1 in Europe and the Russian military in Pomerania after victories. Well, education.
And also these people-
Adadurov is a teacher of the Russian language and
Simon Todorsky - for the Orthodox Law of God.
She called him in sickness instead of Lutheran at the mother's request.

[Cat]

Dad "come in large numbers" Kirghiz, mom, say, Ukrainian. When a child receives a passport, what nationality should he enter?

"Moskvich"

[lucul]

Muscovites. They speak Russian at home. Dad "come in large numbers" Kirghiz, mom, say, Ukrainian. When a child receives a passport, what nationality should he enter?
This is the first thing that comes to mind.

And what kind of "Muscovites" are they?
Logically, if grandparents were born in Moscow and immediately raise their grandchildren, then we can say that these children are Muscovites.

[Cat]

if grandparents were born in Moscow and immediately raise their grandchildren, then we can say that these children are Muscovites.

No, they are already "masquevichi". These are two big differences.

[Wedmak]

I don't care what nationality is written in the column. Without this column, the identity of the indigenous peoples of the server cannot be preserved? Well, no way? Books, clothes, local customs, cultural centers, national settlements and excursions to them?

[ycuce234-san]

Books, clothes, local customs, cultural centers, national settlements and excursions to them?

To do this, it is necessary to develop public organizations, legislation on national policy and a specialized business in tourism or antiques. And in the Duma, we do not have specialized lobbyists: anti-fighters, oligarchs from tourism, builders-reenactors of architecture, etc.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

To our deputies, if you are busy, then let the streets be noticed or some other useful business will be engaged, parasites.

[north 2]

So, so ... Not long ago, a clear anti-Sovietist Stas Namin spoke out. So he called the song "My address is not a house and not a street - my address is the Soviet Union" the anthem of homeless homeless people! Although the passport of a citizen of the USSR contained a record of nationality, the anti-Soviet people, who are also anti-Russian, obviously did not even have enough of this record in the passport. They had and still have a desire to divide Russia into national "homes" so that even movement from one national "home" to another national "home" would not be as free as in the USSR! They also want border guards between the subjects of Russia and visas and customs between the national republics of Russia. And why not, if there are already even Presidents of these national present-day republics inside Russia. Today, enter the record "nationality" for them in the passports of Russia, and when today's anti-Sovietists and the anti-Russian fifth column bring their new Gorbachev or Yeltsin to power, then it will be easier for them to tear Russia apart, as they did to the USSR!

[Alecsandr]

God forbid! You've drawn a creepy perspective on something.

[Alecsandr]

In our times, anything can happen. It’s painfully our leaders are cut off from the people and they deeply don’t give a damn about the aspirations and dreams of our people. Their task is to tear off another skin from us.

[gorenina91]

The State Duma is considering the possibility of including the "Nationality" column in the passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation. Military Review poll

- Of course - the column "Nationality" must be entered in the passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation. - This will add a measure of responsibility for their actions ... - And from early childhood, a person will begin to recognize himself and identify himself as an individual of Russian (or some other) nationality, and from early childhood he should form a sense of responsibility for Russia and feelings duty to defend their state. - Many Russians have Ukrainians, Belarusians, representatives of the peoples of the Volga region, and so on. ; but they identify themselves precisely as people of Russian nationality ...
- And here there is absolutely no nationalism, that they say, "the Russians again want to be" better than everyone else "and so on ... - On the contrary - Russians will only become even more responsible for their state ... - It just so happened, that Russians throughout all the centuries, defending the independence of Russia ... - have to fight for the rights and well-being of all peoples that are part of Russia; either they are neighboring with it or in general - they just need help ...
- Personally, I am Russian ... - and I am really ready to enter in the "Nationality" column my belonging to the Russian nation ...

[Alecsandr]

You spelled it right, I support your words one hundred percent

[Normal]

I do not participate in the survey.
I believe that the motivation of the "Russian parliamentarians" in this matter is directly opposite to my interests.

[Wahmister 1970]

Apparently history does not teach anyone anything

[Pamir]

Explain why a person should be ashamed of his nationality? Well, who wants to let him not indicate. I always indicated my own, Russian. And if you dig, there will be so much in the blood, and not only European, but also Asia. And I think that from my recognition of belonging to a nationality, it does not give away any nationalism. In the Russian Federation, no one has ever emasculated, a mono-ethnic group, for example, as in Poland or Ukraine. In the Russian Federation, there are several dozen, if not a hundred peoples, who- What does it bother me? I don’t. By the way, historically, I can be wrong, but strong and great states, empires, were never mono-national, or very quickly collapsed. An example of the Reich on the face. And lastly, the prescription in the Constitution that the Russian people are state-forming in the Russian Federation, does not in any way restrict other nationalities in the rights and does not humiliate their national self-consciousness. Simply in historically, this is so. I believe that if at least 10 percent of Russian blood flows in the genes, and a person's life is tied to the Russian Federation, then no one will say a word against that he considers himself Russian. A.S. Pushkin and he is not alone, because they were also not pure Russians by genes, but no one forbade A.S. Pushkin to be a great Russian.

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Quote: Pamir

Explain why a person should be ashamed of his nationality? Well, who wants to let him not indicate. I always indicated my own, Russian. And if you dig, there will be so much in the blood, and not only European, but also Asia. And I think that from my recognition of belonging to a nationality, it does not give away any nationalism. In the Russian Federation, no one has ever emasculated, a mono-ethnic group, for example, as in Poland or Ukraine. In the Russian Federation, there are several dozen, if not a hundred peoples, who- What does it bother me? I don’t. By the way, historically, I can be wrong, but strong and great states, empires, were never mono-national, or very quickly collapsed. An example of the Reich on the face. And lastly, the prescription in the Constitution that the Russian people are state-forming in the Russian Federation, does not in any way restrict other nationalities in the rights and does not humiliate their national self-consciousness. Simply in historically, this is so. I believe that if at least 10 percent of Russian blood flows in the genes, and a person's life is tied to the Russian Federation, then no one will say a word against that he considers himself Russian. A.S. Pushkin and he is not alone, because they were also not pure Russians by genes, but no one forbade A.S. Pushkin to be a great Russian.

So, after all, neither Pushkin, nor Lermontov, nor Dahl, nor Kruzenshtern, nor De Tolly, nor Bellingshausen, nor Bagration, nor Derzhavin, nor Kolchak, nor Greig were ashamed of their Russianness. Although they were all descendants of Ethiopians, Danes, Scots, Germans, Turks, Georgians, Tatars ... Moreover, no one in Russia asked them questions whether they were Russian or not Russian. Stalin considered himself a Russian of Georgian origin, but no one asked him about this ... I wonder who asks you in Russia - are you Russian or not Russian, that you have to confirm in Russia that you are Russian ... Maybe someone just needs to spit in the face, for such questions you are asked ...

[Alt 22]

I have not seen so much propaganda rubbish collected in one place for a long time.
Pushkin was Russian, Lermontov too. Dahl, Kruzenshtern, de Tolly, Bellingshausen, Bagration - they were not Russians, they were Russified subjects of the Russian Empire, only those of their descendants who lost contact with their peoples and assimilated became Russians by self-identification.
Kolchak was Russian, but it would have been better if he never existed at all, this war criminal brought a lot of evil and grief to the Russian people.
Stalin never considered himself a Russian of Georgian origin; he never renounced his native Georgian people anywhere and never - this is a fake, a deception, a lie, an invention, a lie.

[Alecsandr]

You are one hundred percent right. Abroad, all of us are considered wholesale Russians.

[Alecsandr]

At the expense of Kolchak, you got a little excited. As Vysotsky sang "The Heroic Personality-Goat's Face" By the way, too, of Tatar roots, but he was sick for Russia. And the history is written by the Bolshevik winners.

[askort154]

According to the State Duma deputy, the inclusion of the column "Nationality" in the passport may be important in the formation of the register of the indigenous peoples of the North, as well as Siberia and the Far East.

And when we count, we will cry. A good example of this is the Khanty-Mansiysk National District. When oil and gas were found there in the 60s, workers from all over the USSR were brought there. Most of them came from Ukraine, for the "long ruble", and then settled there forever, and many more of them arrived in the 90s. Now I call this district behind the scenes "Khokhlomansiyskiy". Since, there are actually Khanty and Mansi minuscule compared to the Ukrainians.

[Alecsandr]

That's for sure. YOU just noticed the point. In fact, it is.

[maiman61]

Ha ha ha! I had neighbors, she was a Khokhlushka, he was a Pole, but in my passport they say that they were Russians!

[Sergej1972]

Well, given the fact that many people in the 20-30s. were recorded as Ukrainians and Belarusians, without particularly asking their consent, then this Ukrainian woman could well have been a nominal Ukrainian, but she felt like a Russian. Or maybe one of her parents was Russian, and her nationality was recorded for her second, Ukrainian parent. And this Pole could have had one of the Russian parents. If both parents of this lady had Ukrainian nationality in their passports, and both parents had Polish nationality in their neighbors, then none of them could legally be indicated in the passport as Russian in Soviet times. It was possible to choose only between the nationalities of the parents indicated in the passport. Although there seemed to be a short period in the post-Soviet history of the Russian Federation, when the nationality was still indicated in the passport, they indicated it freely, not necessarily focusing on the nationality of the parents. But I’m not sure about the latter, I don’t know for sure.

[anjey]

Why do we need another reason to measure national papisks ??? Who in the country is more - Tatars, Chechens or Russians ??? This is the path to national inequality and priorities in the country, it is harmful. I vote against.

[Alecsandr]

Why be ashamed of your nationality? Every nation has something that causes pride in its existence

[anjey]

Many forces are trying to split Russia, playing with the "sick" and not always adequate nationalism of different ethnic groups.

[Narak-zempo]

It's time.
In time, we will return the Pale of Settlement.

[Alecsandr]

What the hell of settledness? With you the denseness and rushing. Read the story, look around. Or again "Sieg Heil" to shout? And what did it lead to

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Alecsandr

What the hell of settledness? With you the denseness and rushing. Read the story, look around. Or again "Sieg Heil" to shout? And what did it lead to

What does Sieg Heil have to do with it?
We have the Russia We Lost. With the Sovereign Emperor, the state religion, estates and the Pale of Settlement as well. If we are to restore, that's it.

[APASUS]

In general, strange manipulations with the passport are taking place. For some reason, children are no longer considered children and a bunch of incomprehensible innovations.

[carstorm 11]

You just can not indicate them in your passport as well as marriage. All this is in the databases. Now these marks are no longer needed by anyone. It's still a mystery to me why they were there in general.

[APASUS]

Quote: carstorm 11

You just can not indicate them in your passport as well as marriage. All this is in the databases. Now these marks are no longer needed by anyone. It's still a mystery to me why they were there in general.

The databases have everything, but what does it change? Two men from the Criminal Investigation Department pestered me for a weapon permit and that they were not interested in the base at all, but they could easily look in the base.

[carstorm 11]

The conversation was about children and marriage) As for the permission, did you have a weapon with you, while there was no permission with you?) If so, why are you surprised?)

[APASUS]

Quote: carstorm 11

The conversation was about children and marriage)

The conversation was about how government agencies use information.

Quote: carstorm 11

As for the permission, then you had a weapon with you while there was no permission with you?) If so, why are you surprised?)

No, I didn't have a weapon with me, but that doesn't stop our organs

[carstorm 11]

I seem to be lucky in life. I have never had such an experience. Mom is engaged in antiques and then she is mainly pulled on trifles. A couple of times they confiscated various edged weapons and then when they brought it to the experts that it has a historical value, everything always ended. As for the bases, ignoring them in your case has a strange motivation. I sympathize.

[K-50]

And what the hell will be?
It was a multinational country where peoples with different cultures and religions coexist quite peacefully, but there will be something gray and average.
Fuu !!!

[hermit]

Making out documents for obtaining a passport, Rabinovich wrote in the column nationality: - Jew. When I came to get my passport, I found the record "INDIA Nationality". With a scandal, I reached the head of the passport office, they say, I meant something completely different ... - Okay, come back in two weeks - we'll try to somehow resolve your question ... Two weeks later he was handed a passport with the record: - Nationality Indian JEW.

[Lech from Android.]

laughed heartily.

[Woodman]

I think so - if there are different nationalities in Russia, then there should be a corresponding column in the passport. If in Russia there is only one nationality - a citizen of Russia, then there is no need to add the column, but there should be no national republics and autonomy either. And then some kind of nonsense turns out.

[tank66]

They are bullshit ... There was a friend / guitarist in the ensemble of Syabry / mom is Polka, dad is a Tatar, he is a Belarusian by name.

[Intourist]

Russian, it's like a volunteer!
And it doesn't matter what color the skin is and what kind of tribe. It is important that he relies on spirit for his goodwill, and not on color or on a stereotype of behavior in his tribe. There is no ford in the flame. I am for ! He called himself a load!

[tralflot1832]

I was only for, only one nation was very worried about this graph, and even then not all, how many of them were forged by the defense shield of the USSR. You just need to love your homeland, and not find fault with me and say how bad I am.

[AsmyppoL]

Voted "yes" with the condition of maintaining the nationality "Russian" for those who wish.
After all, there used to be the concept of "Soviet people", "Soviet man". One more step needs to be taken.
At competitions, fans put our flag on their faces. They calmly carry and wave our flags.
In my opinion, it is necessary to introduce a neutral nationality ...

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"Soviet man" and "Russian" are not nationalities - ethnicities, they are the names of political nations, citizenship, not ethnos. Ethnic groups "Russian", "Israeli", "Hindu", "American", "Swiss", etc. - does not exist. And citizenship is already indicated by the state passport.

[AsmyppoL]

This is clear.
Why not introduce?

[vanavatny]

pre-election stench from the State Duma ,,

[alex_alr]

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: Gato

- Your nationality
- Yes, yes!

In fact, this is the only nation that cares about this graph!

The State Duma is considering the possibility of including the "Nationality" column in the passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

The rest of the peoples of Russia have nothing to hide!

Jews now are not ashamed of their nationality, but carefully emphasize it. Vaughn, Solovyov, constantly emphasizes his nationality, as if he were being paid extra for it ...

[Alt 22]

I think the column "nationality" is needed, but you need to fill it out only on a voluntary basis. Whoever is afraid, ashamed, does not want to indicate nationality, to whom it is not important - let him have such an opportunity. I would indicate my nationality, I am Russian, and I have nothing to be ashamed of!

[BAI]

At the same time, no one really explained how the nationality of a person in a multinational country can discriminate against a person if it is reflected in his passport.

Here de.bi.ly sit in Gosdur, and the author of this phrase from the news - too.
It not only discriminates against a person, it also discriminates against a person's immediate environment. My wife is Jewish. How many times it backfired on her from entering the university (back in the days of the USSR) to other cases at the present time - do not count. Personally, for my wife, I flew on duty a couple of times when trying to transfer from one organization to another. You can have access to documents with an SS stamp on nuclear weapons, but a Jewish wife is not allowed.
I myself am 50% Russian, 50% Tatar. So, what is next? Daughter, what should I write in this "fifth column"? (They didn't let me go for the count, the fifth. V. Vysotsky).

[Alecsandr]

Something is hard to believe. Nobody is discriminating by nationality now. Moreover, you are a "secret missile officer"

[Yurahip]

Column five (according to Vysotsky) should remain only in the birth certificate.

[Errr]

Russian + Tatar = rutarin (son) or rutarka (daughter), Tatar + Russian = tatsky (son) or tatsky (daughter). Cool. We will breed new nationalities.

[zwlad]

According to the State Duma deputy, the inclusion of the column "Nationality" in the passport may be important in the formation of the register of the indigenous peoples of the North, as well as Siberia and the Far East. We are talking about small peoples, the preservation of which is included in the range of tasks of the demographic policy of the state. The chairman of the Duma committee noted that many representatives of small peoples themselves actively speak out in favor of returning the "national" column in the passports of citizens of the country.

This makes no sense. During the census, you can enter the nationality in the documents and that's it.

[Alex Justice]

They do this here, but they don't ask for nationality, but ask what language you speak at home.

[Angry Bubuca]

I registered here solely because I read the news, which is the topic of this article, and saw the poll. I can only say one thing about the "Nationality" column in my passport - return it immediately !!! Return as soon as possible.
And then put a guard at each letter, enclose the perimeter with a concrete fence, and mine the area around so that there is only one road left - to the checkpoint, where they first ask the question - who are you, and then check with the passport.
And so that the history of the 90s does not exactly repeat itself, in addition to all of the above, to allocate for cover two guards tank battalions, reinforced by air defense, strike aviation and special forces units.
It would be nice if the Navy would also help by allocating one missile carrier with Bulava on board for duty. So that in advance, in the very bud, to smash any sabotage initiative regarding the "Nationality" column in the passport.
The politicians did not ask us when they decided to depersonalize and turn practically the entire population of our country into a stupid herd at once. They took it and did it. Other "reforms" were not far off - we, people of very different cultures, survived, as one country, by a miracle. All this happened because then "to the cabbage" they got practically unlimited access. This should not be further.
Therefore, it is necessary to return what should be, and to preserve it so as not to shake it up at the next turn.

[Alecsandr]

Evil bubuka! You are right in many ways, but we now have such a government that tomorrow they will write us down as Martians.

[Alex Justice]

У нас при переписи не спрашивают национальность, а спрашивают на каком языке дома разговариваешь.

[Alecsandr]

Вот так и знал.Полезут изо всех щелей махровые националисты. Не бывает плохих национальностей.Бывают плохие люди любой национальности.Так что старайтесь быть лучше и к вам потянется народ,невзирая на вашу национальность.

[ada]

Проголосовал "Нет". Причины: системы СССР использовавшиеся во внутренней и внешней политике, военной сфере, культуре, образовании и экономике, учитывающие сведения о национальности граждан и желающих стать гражданином, отсутствуют на нашей территории лет 30, а технологии учета, анализа и прогнозирования на основе этих данных, были "благополучно" утрачены еще ранее (не без помощи всяких "друзей" народов). Специалистов в этой области сейчас нет - что очевидно. То, что было создано, развито и работало на благо народов - уничтожено. Каким образом хотят использовать атрибуты давно брошенных инструментов управления нынешние политиканы сейчас? Если есть здесь хоть один специалист государственного управления, пусть расскажет! Но я уверен, что затея не для всеобщего "счастья" мирного сосуществования.
Если улучшать планирование в государстве, то графы в паспорте явно мало, а вот всякие "фокусы" весьма возможны. Кровушки то по-пролито из-за современных "специалистов", кивающих назад! Надо четко понимать от куда мы движемся и куда хотим. Если поднимать уровень значимости национальности для народов - нужен инструмент государственного управления со структурой как минимум ведомства, со своими учреждениями и организациями, а не шайка политиков. Обычно семь раз думают....

[Maxim_ms]

+1 тоже не понимаю, как могут российский-литовец и литовский-литовец к примеру.
В СССР с этим проблем не было.

[Roman070280]

Сначала задумался.. надо или не надо..
Потом прикинул - а мы с Кадыровым "одного поля ягоды" ??
Ну или там с каким-нибудь "берды-мухамедовым" ??
Значит украинцы/беларусы и т.п. для нас чужие.. а с этими мы одинаковые??
Ответ сам собой нарисовался..