In Kiev, Gazprom's proposals to extend the gas transit agreement after 2024 were called unacceptable

In Kiev, the proposals of the Russian "Gazprom" to continue gas transit were called unacceptable. The head of the Ukrainian "Naftogaz" Yuriy Vitrenko made a corresponding statement.

Ukraine is not satisfied with the proposals voiced by the head of the Russian Gazprom Alexei Miller to extend the gas transit agreement after 2024. According to Vitrenko, Miller and Putin want Ukraine to negotiate directly with Russia, and in this case Moscow wants to sell to Kiev "large volumes of gas at prices higher than market prices", i.e. in addition to gas transit, the agreement will include conditions for Ukraine's purchase of Russian gas.

The head of Naftogaz emphasizes that it is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.

Earlier, the head of the company "Operator GTS of Ukraine" Sergei Makogon said that Kiev will arrange a new contract for the transit of Russian gas through the Ukrainian GTS for 45-50 billion cubic meters per year for a period of 15 years. At the same time, the financial guarantees of the contract must be provided by European banks and companies. There should be no talk at all about any purchase of Russian gas from Moscow, Ukraine will purchase gas from its European partners.

In turn, the Russian "Gazprom" said that the issue of extending gas transit through Ukraine after 2024 is purely commercial, Moscow is ready to extend the contract, subject to demand for gas in Europe. At the same time, the Russian company made it clear that if the demand was met with the available means, there could be no question of pumping gas through the Ukrainian GTS.

Comments

[Blacksmith 55]

They do not want to, do not need to renew.
Let them walk around the bazaar, maybe they will find it cheaper.

[knn54]

- It is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.
And further:
-Ukraine will buy gas from European partners.
Did he understand what he said?

[Egoza]

Quote: knn54

And further:
-Ukraine will buy gas from European partners.
Did he understand what he said?

He understood everything perfectly! After all, this can justify the high price of gas for the population. "We don't take cheap gas from the aggressor, but from our European partners, and they have expensive gas"

[venik]

Quote: Egoza

"We don't take cheap gas from the aggressor, but from our European partners, and they have expensive gas"

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Elena! You mean: "democratic gas on democratic prices "?
PS True, many add "p" and "b" to these words

[Anatoly 288]

This is national, wait for the dumplings to jump into their mouths themselves!

[figwam]

Quote: Anatoly 288

This is national, wait for the dumplings to jump into their mouths themselves!

Like before...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Again funny, ridiculous and arrogant ukrohotelki: "We do not want this, but we want our way!" Or maybe even in no way!!!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

maybe at all in no way

Quote: German economist Volker Hellmeier

stated that he was "very confused" by the fact that Berlin has to discuss at the international level its sovereign right to make decisions about its own energy supply. The need to actually defend Germany's interests is fundamental. The fact remains that Russia has not violated the energy supply agreements in the least, ”he explained to RT DE. At the same time, the German economist noted, that threats regarding the energy issue come from Ukraine

Another confirmation that the visit of the clown to Frau "Worked out" wonderfully well...

[Furious bambr]

- But we have no money, so they should give us everything for free as the defenders of Europe from aggression - that's the whole logic of the skakuas

[Grandfather]

Moreover, it is the aggressors who must give

[fruc]

Is someone twisting their hands in Ukraine? Let them buy gas from their western neighbors. These are their problems.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Egoza

so you can justify the high price of gas for the population. "We don't take cheap gas from the aggressor, but from our European partners, and they have expensive gas"

It's time collect stones, here from the main Europeans the comments are getting louder

Quote: Head of the Bundestag Committee on Economics and Energy Klaus Ernst

called the US-German agreement a victory of international law. “Now Russia will build this gas pipeline, we will receive this gas. The question remains, what will happen with the gas supply to Ukraine in the future. BUT Ukraine's gas supply was a problem because they did not pay their bills and illegally took gas... We have a reliable gas supply in Germany, we know that the gas pipeline in Ukraine is not in the best condition. And by the way, the reason that everything is as it is is not the Russians, but Ukraine itself. ", - said the interlocutor of RT DE.

Oh, it turns out that the world does not revolve around the country 404: Lord, have mercy and tell them ...

[cniza]

Quote: knn54

- It is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.
And further:
-Ukraine will buy gas from European partners.
Did he understand what he said?

This is called the head hid, and the butt sticks out on top ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: cniza

Quote: knn54

- It is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.
And further:
-Ukraine will buy gas from European partners.
Did he understand what he said?

This is called the head hid, and the butt sticks out on top...

Along the way, he hides his head in the wrong place too

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

So for the most tomatoes and get ..

[TermNachTer]

He doesn't need to think, the Washington Reich Chancellery thinks for him.

[alexmach]

Until the end of 24 years there is still a hundred-oh-only time .. Ahead is another election in Ukraine, it seems true that there are no alternatives. In the meantime, you can say anything at all.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: knn54

- It is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.
And further:
-Ukraine will buy gas from European partners.
Did he understand what he said?

First point. In principle, they will not pay for gas. How much we will be paid for gas, the same will be charged for pumping gas from us.

Second point: It's simple. It is not profitable for crooks to buy gas from the pipe directly and cheaply, without markups. So you can't fill your pockets with money. Therefore, they came up with an expensive and muddy "reverse", from which you can normally raise the dough.

[Metallurg_2]

There's a premium for the smell of freedom and democracy.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

Let them walk around the bazaar, maybe they will find it cheaper

So Putin said that he would drive gas through Ukraine, although we, the Russians, do not want this, as they say, do not let Ukraine stand up and drive Banderlog! well, then we will help you

[Orange bigg]

Quote: smith 55

They do not want to, do not need to renew.
Let them walk around the bazaar, maybe they will find it cheaper.

I am "killed" by this absurd situation when Ukraine, which is always in need of something, brazenly spits in our face in response to another unforced courtesy on our part and tries to dictate something to us. This is absurd. We do not respect ourselves at all or what? That we are all so kind with our unforced concessions? Are we masochists? Or do we want to sponsor the enemy again? Well, sponsor. With this money, in general, Donbass is bombed and threatened to destroy the Crimean bridge. Nobody is going to supply water to Crimea this way. We continue to spit in the face, and for this we will sponsor Ukraine for another 15 years? Someone has collapsed from an oak tree or something? maybe at least then someone will at least a little wiser? I'm shocked to be honest.

[Avior]

... in response to another unforced courtesy on our part

It is more correct to write - forced.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Avior

... in response to another unforced courtesy on our part

It is more correct to write - forced.

Why is it suddenly compelled?

[Avior]

What else?
Or rather, where did you see the courtesy?
The Americans concluded an agreement with the Germans, Miller understands that Chilingo will have to fulfill, and abandons attempts to formally fulfill the agreement, in fact, to change its essence.
Part of the gas that goes in transit through Ukraine is actually returned to Ukraine, only Gazprom actually pays Ukraine for the transit of gas that goes to Ukraine.
If it is sold, Ukraine will pump the same gas into storage facilities, they are on the border with the EU, at its own expense, and not at the expense of Gazprom

[NKT]

Miller did not mean Ukraine at all. He spoke about additional gas volumes specifically for Europe.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OrangeBigg

We do not respect ourselves at all or what? That we are all so kind with our unforced concessions? Are we masochists? Or do we want to sponsor the enemy again?

Why did he say so boldly? The "darkest" in the "zombie box" said that the Russian Federation is not obliged to feed Ukraine, and the future of transit through the GTS depends on the market conditions, there will be a demand from the EU for large volumes of gas, the Russian Federation will use the Ukrainian GTS, if not, then it will not , what is the problem, until a senior comrade changes about gas transit through Ukraine in Germany, it is useless to speak, the fate of SP-2 is still in question ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OrangeBigg

there is still the fate of SP-2 in question ...

Completion in a month.

AND? Is SP-1 operating at full capacity?

Green "Queen of Spades": without five minutes "chancellor" of Germany for anti-Russian sanctions and against Nord Stream 2

https://inosmi.ru/politic/20210425/249629893.html

[Orange bigg]

In 5 minutes, is she already the new chancellor? But seriously, how much has the press written about the same Marie Le Pen and who became the President of France? Macron. Plus, Merkel is pushing her successor Armin Lashet to the throne, so don't read everything.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OrangeBigg

In addition, Merkel is dragging her successor Armin Lashet to the throne.

In which press they read, the one that is "not all in a row" ? Kind, but distrustful members of the forum will figure out the choice of the press themselves ...

[Orange bigg]

Fill in the search engine

.Merkel drags her successor Armin Lashet to the throne

.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Fill in the search engine

.Merkel drags her successor Armin Lashet to the throne

.

Yes, I believe you that such an article exists, but why should I believe this, that it is written in it, the world is changeable, they themselves wrote about Le Pen ...
There are no strong leaders left in Europe, like G. Kohl, J. Chirac, M. Thatcher, and there never will be, the United States will try to do this ...
Well, we deviated from the topic, the volumes of gas supplies will depend on the European Commission ... and the EU anti-monopoly authority ...

[didra]

They will depend on the weather and on the state of the EU economy.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: didra

will also depend on the state of the EU economy.

I agree.

[Black lotos]

Quote: didra

From the weather

in general, it all depends on the climate in people's lives. Any change of any nature sneeze-on the price / conditions / lives display

[didra]

AND....? What conclusions follow from this? That the Volga flows into the Caspian Sea?

[poquello]

Quote: Lara Croft

..
Well, we deviated from the topic, the volumes of gas supplies will depend on the European Commission ... and the EU anti-monopoly authority ...

this is the wishlist of the United States, dill and EU functionaries, so let them sort it out among themselves))))))))))), in fact, this is a commercial conspiracy against EU countries, which forces EU countries to buy gas more expensive than they can buy)

[Lara Croft]

Quote: poquello

in fact, this is a commercial conspiracy against the EU countries, which forces the EU countries to buy gas for more than they can buy)

Straightforward, but I agree. The EU is an economic competitor to the United States ....

[poquello]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: poquello

in fact, this is a commercial conspiracy against the EU countries, which forces the EU countries to buy gas for more than they can buy)

Straightforward, but I agree. The EU is an economic competitor to the United States ....

it is unlikely that the political interests of the United States will defeat the commercial countries of the EU, and the question will not even rest against Germany, because money

[Lara Croft]

Quote: poquello

US political interests are unlikely to win over commercial EU countries

The economic well-being of the EU depends on the political will of the United States. the economic opportunities of the United States are greater than the EU, then the latter will negotiate with the United States about their well-being ...

[poquello]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: poquello

US political interests are unlikely to win over commercial EU countries

The economic well-being of the EU depends on the political will of the US, ...

there is definitely a reason to doubt this statement (if it meant, of course, "the EU countries and not the EU") - the US failed to frighten Germany head-on and it was Biden who negotiated with Germany and not Germany with Biden

[Lara Croft]

Quote: poquello

The US failed to frighten Germany head-on

I would like to believe this, but it’s hard to believe, the United States only did not apply any economic and political instruments to the FRG, only declared their use, and the US allies, the British, like to do nasty things indirectly, through someone. ..
Germany is a cementing link among the "veterans" of NATO countries and the EU, so the United States must remember this .... and in the future conflict with China, the United States needs reliable allies ....

[paul3390]

"The darkest" spoke on the "zombie box"

If you remember what he said over these 20 years .. And how much of this he did .. A sad picture is drawn.

[Thrifty]

On December 31, 2024, start dismantling the pipe through the uk-roin, find a common language with the Bulgarians, Turks, and through them, bypassing this non-country!

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Thrifty

On December 31, 2024, start dismantling the pipe through the uk-roin, find a common language with the Bulgarians, Turks, and through them, bypassing this non-country!

I agree. No, well, you have to respect yourself at least a little bit, the multimillion multinational Russian people. Who will respect us if we do not respect ourselves and humiliate ourselves out of the blue? It is not surprising that Ukraine behaves in such a boorish way, living on our money. We set ourselves this way and get what we deserve. After all, if we do not start to respect ourselves, then even Ukraine will not respect us. This is not the behavior of any self-respecting power, not just any country.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Thrifty

On December 31, 2024, start dismantling the pipe through uk-roin,

What a fig ???! Let it be the biggest monument to STUPIDITY !!!

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Babay Atasovich

Quote: Thrifty

On December 31, 2024, start dismantling the pipe through uk-roin,

What a fig ???! Let it be the biggest monument to STUPIDITY !!!

Decommunization Monuments of the past are being demolished. The time has come to demolish the monument to stupidity.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Decommunization Monuments of the past are being demolished. The time has come to demolish the monument to stupidity.

Not figs, let them take down the stolen ones themselves!

[Black lotos]

Quote: Thrifty

On December 31, 2024, start dismantling the pipe through uk-Roin

how can you start dismantling in another country?

Quote: Thrifty

find a common language with Bulgarians, Turks

uh ... nobody seemed to interfere. with the Turks there are friends, partners, enemies, rivals (there is a large choice)
Turkish and other streams.

Quote: Thrifty

! Stop dealing with blackmailers

Yes, only your own blackmail, someone else's blackmail is dishonest.

Quote: Thrifty

Enough to humiliate yourself before the scoundrels who have banned the Russian language in Russian cities !!!

I assure you that all the "suffering of the Russian language" for Miller and Russia is insignificant in front of euros and dollars.
there is no principle of -discount in exchange for Russian. And in general, soft power is expensive for Russia! Because they can't.

[Finches]

Another Kiev brazen ... And then people wonder at me why I am such a big fan of carpet bombing ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Finches

Another Kiev brazen ... And then people wonder at me why I am such a big fan of carpet bombing ...

I don’t understand why Ukraine is getting away with it? We have a Ukrainian fan club? We don’t need to do anything with this country until they return us at least the same $ 3 billion in debt and the turbines we paid for the frigates. And again, despite all the spitting in the face, we strive to sponsor them. Who will take us seriously after that, which country?

[Real Pilot]

The problem is not even the transit itself. And not in gas, no one will be left without it, Russia has enough for everyone ...

They want to SELL the PIPE, but, without a long-term guaranteed contract and without gas, the "great friends" of Ukraine will not buy this scrap metal.
At the same time, the pipe must be vparivat now, otherwise others will sell later, and the current ones will fly by with the gesheft!

And therefore, transit should bring more money for the purchase of gas - they want real money! And the surplus attracts investors ...

[Anachoret]

Yes, and it is more profitable for Naftogaz with officials to buy gas in Slovak gaskets for 100 euros, almost more expensive than Russia's proposal))
In the press, you can tell that Slovak gas is no longer Russian totalitarian gas, but democratic European gas with the fluids of freedom of democracy and mass sodomization of all of Ukraine forcibly and call a fierce shit on social networks about this) and in the meantime, on the sly, drink these aforementioned 100 euros per thousand cubic meters between all corrupt officials close to the feeding trough of Naftogaz)))
And yes))) let Vitrenko not forget to mom a couple of million dollars to his mom by moving it as help) as Kobolev did)))

[Ovsigovets]

But did Miller make a specific offer or offered a contract .... Mr. Miller talked out loud in what variations the GP would consider possible proposals for further transit, well, that is, about a "spherical horse in a vacuum" ......... BUT said the main thing - it should be interesting to the SE)))) the contract is valid until 2024 and therefore the SE "does not burn" and all questions are answered: "we have a contract and there is transit" ... but if it is NOT interesting and not competitive with SP-2, then why go Pan Vitrenko together with Naftogaz

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Ovsigovets

Mr. Miller reasoned

are you his press secretary?

[Piramidon]

In Kiev, the proposals of the Russian "Gazprom" to continue gas transit were called unacceptable.

They will not want to negotiate and will continue to show off - they will sit on an empty pipe.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Piramidon

They will not want to negotiate and will continue to show off - they will sit on an empty pipe.

That's right, I remember the child's prophecy counting rhyme:
"U" and "P" were sitting on the pipe ...

[sabakina]

Quote: Piramidon

In Kiev, the proposals of the Russian "Gazprom" to continue gas transit were called unacceptable.

They will not want to negotiate and will continue to show off - they will sit on an empty pipe.

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

Rather, ride ..

[shtatsov]

Will not! They will cut the pipe into scrap metal!

[Barberry25]

dreaming is not harmful ... 20-25 billion cubic meters a year at most awaits them

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Barberry25

dreaming is not harmful ... 20-25 billion cubic meters a year at most awaits them

let's tell the truth ... GP and Miller are playing with what they have, he's a capitalist. If in the EU the demand for gas at a good price grows, then the GP will pump through Ukraine as much as it needs ... but then you are right ... 20 lard will be given to make the pipe unprofitable

[hagen]

Quote: Ovsigovets

GP and Miller play with what they have, he's a capitalist

Miller will make every effort to force Ukraine to pay for 2019. I have no doubts ...

[Pereira]

And I doubt it.

[Avior]

To make an effort does not mean to force.
Between his efforts and forcing, there is an agreement between the Germans and the Americans ...

[Brturin]

Quote: Avior

lies the agreement of the Germans with the Americans ...

It is an agreement of course, only that is what they have agreed upon and whether these agreements will survive .... The head of the Berlin Foundation. Heinrich Böll, the Green Party politician Ralph Fuchs, in an article in Der Spiegel, believes that "the German federal government rejected the US proposal" to include the so-called kill switch amendment in the permit for the operation of the gas pipeline ": the latter would make it possible to interrupt gas supplies if the Kremlin “Took any aggressive steps.” The fact that the text of the agreement is limited to lengthy language that does not impose any obligations on either Berlin or Washington,
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/07/23/ryadovye-nemcy-ne-hotyat-finansirovat-zelenuyu-energetiku-na-ukraine
Congress is going to use the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act to reverse this deal ...

[Avior]

We will see all this in 2024.
Now one can only guess.
As for the text, it is specially made extended so as not to give a chance to bypass it.
This is not a business agreement, but a political one.

[carstorm 11]

In which Germany should simply lobby for the extension of transit through 404 and that's it. There will be economic feasibility - there will be transit. Well, no means no) Nothing more.

[hagen]

Quote: Pereira

And I doubt it.

But in vain ... And the point here is not in the presence or absence of patriotism. People of the caliber of Miller are monstrously proud. After the Swedes "bent" over the Ukrainian libel (according to many European lawyers, they did not just bent over), he is ready to strangle them with his bare hands. Actually, all pipe repairs and unhurried filling of UGS facilities in Europe with the rise in prices at hubs are of the same order. A sort of "Italian strike". Despite the fact that everything is done in such a way that all contractual obligations are even slightly overfulfilled. But given that the Ukrainian GTS can operate without problems with a multiple of the capacity, and the EU is able to make Ukraine guaranteed to pass the entire volume of gas without withdrawals, then the capacity limitation of 45 billion cubic meters this year does not look very convincing from the point of view of real possibilities. But Miller does not do this on purpose, so that Europe still pays all political costs to Gazprom. And everyone can see this, but they cannot present anything.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Ovsigovets

GP and Miller play with those cards that is, he is a capitalist.

Let's just dwell on the fact that Mr. Miller is the appointed head of the STATE CORPORATION, which in fact belongs to the "bad guy" and works for the good of the country at MAXIMUM 40%. Although under a normal scenario (when the fiscal authorities are interested in the amount of taxes, the ownership rights to the national property of those 49,9% of the "unknown"), Russia should receive much larger amounts from the export of hydrocarbons.
But in reality he is a beggar.
Almost classic (if you press it against a warm wall in a dark place):

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[Barberry25]

he was a capitalist 2 years ago, until the Europeans included politics in the court's decision on the ECONOMIC dispute ... As a result, the Europeans are now tearing and rushing about demanding to increase gas supplies to the EU, and Gazprom instead pumps exactly as much as it owes under the trademark "we are all gas pipelines were stopped for maintenance.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

How everything is changing rapidly in this world:
negro president of america
Jewish President of Ukraine.
Ukraine is not Europe's gas hub.
Crimea - Russia
Donbass is not Ukraine
NATO- without Ukraine
Ukrainians are just laborers ...
GTS - will soon be scrapped ..
Karabakh is not Armenia
I wonder what next?

[Beringovsky]

Yuan instead of dollar.
Alaska is a subject of the Russian Federation.
Dinosaurs are resurrected.
England was flooded.

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

"England was flooded." and the Japs at the same time ..

[Ros 56]

The Southwestern Federal District will be added.

[Pessimist22]

They want to buy from European partners, well, it will be so after the age of 24

[midivan]

The head of Naftogaz emphasizes that it is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.

Completely beguiled the coast ... Disconnect the puppies altogether, and disassemble the pipe on our side and turn it over to ferrous metal ... And Europe will open its mouth and screw it on, just in time for winter, let them freeze and think.

[Rusticolus]

I don’t like to pump gas from Gazprom, let them go to Europe to ask them to pump their gas through Ukraine somewhere.

[Egoza]

Quote: Rusticolus

I don’t like to pump gas from Gazprom, let them go to Europe to ask them to pump their gas through Ukraine somewhere.

In Ukraine, they show new discoveries in physics: how one can send gas through one pipe and immediately receive reverse gas.

[Avior]

In fact, there is not one pipe, there are several parallel threads

[Beringovsky]

Each of them goes to its own underground storage or distribution hub and further to the consumer. It is impossible to drive gas along one line and then transfer it back along the other; it is technically impossible.

[suhorukofal]

How simple it is for you. To ensure the physical reverse, huge costs are needed, the construction of large infrastructure, gas compressor stations, technical gas, and these are billions. Ukrainian gas workers are not going to modernize
invested, it is easier for them to make a feint with their ears with the so-called reverse. There is no physical reverse, it's all on paper.
Here is a link to a video where a Ukrainian politician talks about this on Ukrainian TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tu03i7KoGw&ab_channel=%D0%9D%D0%90%D0%A8
But on VO they tell a story that they no longer believe in even in Ukraine

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

Yeah .. they are pulling for the Nobel Prize ..

[Avior]

While this is empty talk - there is too much time before 2024, no one will decide anything now.
By tradition, it so happened that everything is decided in the last few days, or even hours.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Avior

By tradition, it so happened that everything is decided in the last few days, or even hours.

not really. They announce to the people yes - in a couple of hours.
But the undercover and other games and solutions can take years. depending on the situation.

[boris epstein]

"The head of Naftogaz emphasizes that it is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit."
And it is unprofitable for Russia to pay Ukraine for pumping more expensive than pumping through the Nord Streams. Therefore, Pan Vitrenko, don't like it, don't eat it.

[Avior]

It is generally unprofitable to pay to Ukraine in the presence of SP2, since underloading will also reduce profitability.
But the States agreed with Germany differently.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The Outskirts itself with its "brotherly" people is unprofitable.

[Avior]

With fraternal, it is very profitable.
But you can forget about it.

[Beringovsky]

For Sp1 there is also a rule of the 3rd energy package about 50% load, but they pumped all 100 and nothing, there was no noise.
Sheer cynicism, pragmatism and hypocrisy.

[boris epstein]

If they would love to negotiate behind the backs of the main characters. If you want to talk about SP-2, talk with Russia. Yes, and the United States is on the sidelines. It's time for the Americans to remove the crown from their heads. Their time is gone. How many trillions of dollars is the US government debt? 28? They continue to live, robbing the whole world with their colored paper, which is not provided with anything. De jure not yet, but de facto they are already in default, and economically they have already lost to China, but they are throwing sanctions all over the world. Their agreements for Russia are empty pieces of paper.

[Egoza]

At the same time, the financial guarantees of the contract must be provided by European banks and companies.

This is how European banks will guarantee right away! What kind of fertilizer do they water their insolence, that it grows so quickly and blooms in lush color?

[sabakina]

Quote: boris epstein

And it is unprofitable for Russia to pay Ukraine for pumping more expensive than pumping through the Nord Streams. Pan Vitrenko, if you don't like it, don't eat it.

[apricot]

Ahreneli !!! Our "non-brothers" from "peremoga" have birds flying around their heads completely ...

[aleks700]

Do you want to eat, do not want do not eat.

[askort154]

Kiev will arrange a new contract for the transit of Russian gas through the Ukrainian GTS for 45-50 billion cubic meters per year for a period of 15 years.

Plans-dreams're coming out-Napoleonic. Where will Ukraine be in 15 years?
Will Russia be able to repay its debt of 3,5 billion? I don't understand why Russia is in no hurry to return its "hard-earned money"?

[Egoza]

Quote: askort154

I don't understand why Russia is in no hurry to return its "hard-earned money"?

Remember the anecdote. As the old bull said there: "We will slowly descend from the mountain and take the whole herd."

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

No. Not, let's take, Literally, there is a synonym word. It’s time for chubaty with this synonym….))

[Eug]

By that time, this herd will already be taken by other bulls ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: askort154

Where will Ukraine be in 15 years?

We do not know what will happen in our country after the spring of 2024, but you are thinking about this Ukraine. Yes, celery on her and her "Wishlist".

[tralflot1832]

Well, we got completely insolent, we pay 31,75 for pumping. Only because of SP2 to finish building. And in 2024 you will get $ 16 for pumping. While we were jumping, Russia set up transit around Ukraine. European partners even pay Father’s Dad. Download further, after 800 $ 1000 cubic meters in line at the Gazprom cash desk for a bonus. We will not be offended!

[Lech from Android.]

Ukraine wants to fuck both Russia and Europe.
Germany and the United States want to hang all the costs of maintaining the Ukrainian economy on Russia.
Well, the main thing for Russia is not to feed this trinity of crooks for free ... money in advance ... in the morning money in the evening chairs, in the evening money in the morning chairs.

[cniza]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Germany and the United States want to hang all the costs of maintaining the Ukrainian economy on Russia.

Yes, this is their goal and they will try with all their might to do it ...

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

"Promising" so to speak .. as in that joke about Sharik!

[svp67]

The head of Naftogaz emphasizes that it is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.

And overpaying for "virtual transit" from Slovakia is a joy ... Well, the Master is Barin. Even now, the price of gas is much higher than the one that was previously under a long-term contract.

[cniza]

The head of Naftogaz emphasizes that it is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.

Funny, apparently they did not understand anything ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Or GDP will knock off the crested, horns. Or let him go to retirement. Homeless people in embroidered shirts. I'm tired of it.

[nnm]

The head of Naftogaz emphasizes that it is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.

How can the price of the final product be equal to or less than one of its components (transportation)?
Only if the volume of purchases for their needs is significantly less than the volume of transit.
This means that everything rests on commerce .... if European consumers want to subsidize Ukraine at their own expense, then even if they pay for transit at higher rates through the joint venture-2, no problem.

[Vladimir61]

Unacceptable? Will someone ask you?

Sergey Lavrov, - ".., ..."!

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Ovsigovets

GP and Miller play with what they have, he's a capitalist

Miller will make every effort to force Ukraine to pay for 2019. I have no doubts ...

devil only knows .... again, he is a capitalist ... Ukraine will not go anywhere ....... you can see the enemy's "corpse" and later those sailing along the river to see ..... the main thing is revenue and taxes

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: Ovsigovets

Mr. Miller reasoned

are you his press secretary?

and this is a prerequisite to hear the official speeches of representatives of the GP and Mr. Miller in particular ????? They speak aloud and do not make secrets from their thoughts. The GP voiced what he thinks ... if you haven't heard these words - well, this is probably for Lore

[mark021105]

Let them go on a long erotic journey ...

[Evil 55]

Recognize the GTS as not meeting the technical specifications and standards ... Do not give gas until they are eliminated ...

[Seamaster]

Not a single politician or industrialist in Ukraine today can publicly advocate for any REAL agreement with Russia based on the REAL state of affairs in the economy or politics, even if it benefits Ukraine itself. Because it will IMMEDIATELY be attacked by millions of absolutely stupid and illiterate, but at the same time extremely aggressive Ukrainians. And even those in the Ukrainian elite who understand the reality of the situation will remain silent because they are hostages of this brutal herd that they have awakened. The situation can be compared with the situation in Germany in the summer of 1944, when ALL more or less adequate Germans understood that the war was lost, but neither the Krupps, nor the Thyssen, nor the marshals could put an article in "Velkischer Beobachter" or "Schwarze Kor" with a proposal to start negotiations with Stalin about consigning the incident, which began on June 22, 1941, to oblivion.

[Avior]

It would be pointless.
At that time, there was already an agreement between the allies to refuse separate negotiations to end the war, and an agreement on Germany's unconditional surrender.

[Vladislav_2]

YOU FSE tried so hard and hurried to the EU and NATU that you forgot about human morals about .... that everything will return as a BOOMERANG !!! ..... YOU "BURATINS" need to "enter" for a very long time ..... And why !?

[Sergey Obraztsov]

After the statements of the Ambassador of Ukraine in Germany, to be honest, no "Wishlist" will take me so by the heart. But the trend is becoming catastrophic.

[Ross xnumx]

In Kiev, Gazprom's proposals to extend the gas transit agreement after 2024 were called unacceptable

Believe it or not? I believe that the agreement on the supply of gas to and through Ukraine after 2024 should be withdrawn altogether. Let them heat with wood.

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

Yes, what kind of firewood, tea does not live in Siberia .. fart gas is the only thing that remains!

[impostor]

This issue is worth considering in light of the recent JV-2 deal between the United States and Germany. In fact, Bidon very deftly and gracefully outweighed the content of bored Ukraine from his own neck to the chancellor's neck, pushing the condition of lifting the sanctions from authoritative German comrades to allocate a certain amount to protect the kept woman from aggressive gas measures from the national treasure. In Ukraine, the lads realized that on the one hand, it is possible to conclude a transit contract on conditions that are quite favorable for themselves. But in this case, you will have to work hard, because transit is a labor-intensive thing. But why bother now? After all, one can say that these aggressive gas events have already begun, with the national treasure "it is impossible to work, you give unrealistic plans!" Angela, hello! When will you sign the Deutschebank check in our name?

[Brturin]

Quote: impostor

allocation of a certain amount .... Angela, hello! When will you sign the Deutschebank check in our name?

a certain amount - like a lot - a billion for the Green Fund, but now the Poles received $ 13 billion - "This is necessary to mitigate the negative consequences of the transformation of the energy sector in Poland and a faster reduction in carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere in this republic."
https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3322669.html
A billion for the transformation of Ukrainian energy is .... "Until 2031, the modernization of thermal power plants (TPPs) will cost Ukraine about 5,2 billion euros (about 10%) more than their decommissioning," said the Finnish company Wärtsilä Energy "https://neftegaz.ru/news/energy/685122-modernizatsiya-tes-oboydetsya-ukraine-do-2031g-na-eur5-2-mlrd-dorozhe-ikh-vyvoda/

[impostor]

A billion for the transformation of the Ukrainian energy sector is .... "Until 2031.

One has only to open this Pandora's casket and irreversible mechanisms will start. For the sake of this billion and inevitably subsequent ones, they will transform not only Ukrainian energy, but also Zelensky into Zelenskaya, Carpathian forests into the Carpathian steppe, black soil into loam.

[Timon2155]

And after all, ours will agree to the conditions of Ukraine ... How many times has it begun: the Ukrainians voice their gas demands, ours sharply deny everything, and then they agree once and again! And we all wipe (((

[Prisoner]

An honor would be offered. These freebies have not yet realized that Usyo, the freebie is over and they can shove their Wishlist into their ... pocket.

[taiga2018]

Ukrodiots, take at least something for now ...

[zenion]

Russia has built a gas pipeline past Ukraine, and Ukraine should support Russia. Where has it been seen, where has it heard the old donkey is carrying the young. Ukrainians must contain, in addition to Europe, the entire planet, arrogance.

[Eug]

And what if Moscow goes to principle and decides not to pump gas for a year, simply making a payment for the minimum volume of pumping, at the same time not giving Europe free volumes? Where then and at what price will Naftogaz buy gas? The current scheme, as I understand it, is very beneficial to some of the powers that be in trouble in Ukraine ..

[Black lotos]

Quote: Eug

And what if Moscow goes to principle and decides not to pump gas for a year, simply making a payment for the minimum volume of pumping, at the same time not giving Europe free volumes?

in fact, it did - it increased the price and made it possible to make money on non-deliveries of volumes.
less volume, more price, more money, even less volume.
but until August, after all, the market reacts to supply and demand, and you can lose the opportunity.
This is good for the monopolist.

Quote: Eug

Where then and at what price will Naftogaz buy gas?

where before, on European hubs.
The price went up - for the entire European market.

Quote: Eug

The current scheme, as I understand it, is very beneficial to some of the powers that be in trouble in Ukraine ..

This scheme brings profit to Naftogaz, the country (in the form of higher taxes from a high price) and to European partners in the form of a part of the money. to the population, no.
then what does it matter - if you pay directly to the Kremlin, then we deduct the cost of transit for these 9 billion cubic meters, and so we get an extra $ 500 million (according to my estimates) for transit, buying the same gas but from European hubs.
that is, there is an opportunity to earn $ 500 million, and spend the costs on the population.
privatization of profits and nationalization of losses.

[Eug]

At Eurohubs, Ukraine purchased gas only formally (according to documents), in fact it took it from the pipe. If there is no gas in the pipeline and there will be no excess at Eurohubs - what then?

[BAI]

1.

In Kiev, Gazprom's proposals to extend the gas transit agreement after 2024 were called unacceptable

2.

Moscow wants to sell to Kiev "large volumes of gas at prices higher than market prices", i.e. in addition to gas transit, the agreement will include conditions for Ukraine's purchase of Russian gas.

Miller clearly stated (and he can broadcast only by agreement with VVP): "There will be a transit if it is commercially viable." And the price of Ukrainian transit is 1,5 times higher than for SP-2. At the same time (BIG HELLO TO GREEN!) There is much more air pollution on the Ukrainian pipe of compressor stations than on SP-2. And Gazprom is for the environment - you cannot pollute the atmosphere and drive gas through Ukraine. Everything is according to European standards. We would be glad, but Europe does not order.

[Black lotos]

Quote: BAI

And the price of Ukrainian transit is 1,5 times higher than for SP-2

the price includes the distance and availability of the largest storage facilities.

[demo]

I have no question. I have a cry from the heart.
Maybe the moderators and the administration of the site allow each participant in the discussion on the site to use non-normative vocabulary once a year?
Once, and then I behave myself.
It's just that such "news" cannot be directly commented on.

[Ros 56]

We would have to stand for a month (until the end of the installation of SP-2), and hold out until the end of the year (until it is put into operation), then we can talk about contracts, we do not like our conditions, take anyone from SP-2.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Ukraine resembles a grumpy wife. While her husband was in the bathroom, she herself came up with an offer and refused it herself. Gazprom did not offer anything, it was said: the EU members will buy a lot with payment for transit through Ukraine (that is, much more expensive), we will supply, no, take a walk.

[Dkuznecov]

No not like this. I have a friend. In Strogino, Moscow.
Lives with his ex-wife on the same staircase.
Divorced after having made two.
He brought alimony inaccurately - a third appeared.
So they live. Converge - diverge. Sometimes together, sometimes apart.
Just like us. The family is one. Children are common. And there's nothing you can do about it.

[A.K.]

That a naked king can only be displeased!

[Ovsigovets]

According to Vitrenko, Miller and Putin want Ukraine to negotiate directly with Russia, and in this case Moscow wants to sell to Kiev "large volumes of gas at prices higher than market prices", i.e. in addition to gas transit, the agreement will include conditions for Ukraine's purchase of Russian gas.

The head of Naftogaz emphasizes that it is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.
Vaughn already answered that NO ONE to buy any gas for Ukraine and did NOT OFFER)))))) It's only about transit .... possible transit))) BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY

[alystan]

Friends and comrades, what was that?
And here is the exposure of these vitrenkovy wishes:

"We have familiarized ourselves with the statement of Yuriy Vitrenko, Chairman of the Management Board of Naftogaz Ukrainy. Please note that no one offered Ukraine to buy Russian gas. The comment of Alexey Miller, Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom, is addressed to our partners from the EU countries, primarily German," the statement reads. the message of the information department of "Gazprom".
https://tass.ru/ekonomika/11979721

Ukrainians sit to themselves and listen to the broadcast: "Nobody says anything interesting about us anywhere? Oh, but this is exactly what we need! What impudent people are discussing our pipe without us! And so on and so forth." And even the whole statement was muddied by the chairman of the board of Naftogaz of Ukraine Yuriy Vitrenko in the form of a protest-disagreement with the conditions proposed by Gazprom! But the conversation was not with them? Everything is as usual with them - they cannot be ignored, they must be gratified, one must curry favor with them and agree only on their terms. Only this way and nothing else! Otherwise ... Everything, the curtain, we extinguish the light ... "

[aszzz888]

At the same time, the Russian company made it clear that if the demand was met with the available means, there could be no question of pumping gas through the Ukrainian GTS.

Scrap unnecessary once again!
"A lone traveler wanders through the sultry desert.
Not a soul for hundreds of miles. The camel is dead, there is no water. Sees there is a booth called "Water".
He comes up and asks the Bedouin why the glass of water is.
He answers - 1 bucks.
Traveler - What are you doing, brutalized?
Answer - Big bazaar, go look for a cheaper one. "

[riwas]

The head of Naftogaz emphasizes that it is unprofitable for Kiev to pay for Russian gas more than Moscow pays to Ukraine for gas transit.

Flies separately, cutlets separately. In Ukraine, the balls went into the videos if it ties different things together.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Beringovsky

For Sp1 there is also a rule of the 3rd energy package about 50% load, but they pumped all 100 and nothing, there was no noise.
Sheer cynicism, pragmatism and hypocrisy.

You will want to live (you will freeze) and you will not be so upset.

[Popov I.P.]

Guys, refused, well, to hell with you. Scrub your chest with a blowtorch, as long as the failure is recorded. You are not in a situation to dictate terms. The routes of Russian gas supplies to Europe have already been diversified, and Navtagaz is no longer a monopoly in pumping gas to Europe. There is SP-1, in fact, there is SP-2, there is Blue Stream, there is Turkish Stream, and there is also the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline through Belarus and Poland. Guys, stay with your rusty pipe Yes, even if there were no gas sales to Europe at all, nothing terrible would have happened to the Russian Federation, on the contrary, the available gas would be enough not for 50 years, but for 100 years. We need to think about our country and its future generations, and not about Europe, and even more so not a beggarly impoverished country, a fruit called Ukraine.

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Ovsigovets

GP and Miller play with those cards that is, he is a capitalist.

Let's just dwell on the fact that Mr. Miller is the appointed head of the STATE CORPORATION, which in fact belongs to the "bad guy" and works for the good of the country at MAXIMUM 40%. Although under a normal scenario (when the fiscal authorities are interested in the amount of taxes, the ownership rights to the national property of those 49,9% of the "unknown"), Russia should receive much larger amounts from the export of hydrocarbons.
But in reality he is a beggar.
Almost classic (if you press it against a warm wall in a dark place):

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and yes and no ...... these are the subtleties that you know from rumors .... about taxes and their income-tax correspondence the same story ... rumors)))))) well, you don't like capitalists - I agree, tea is not a gold duct ........ I am calm and not a fan of producing rumors

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Ros 56

We would have to stand for a month (until the end of the installation of SP-2), and hold out until the end of the year (until it is put into operation), then we can talk about contracts, we do not like our conditions, take anyone from SP-2.

in 2024 let them come)))) until 2024 there is a contract

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Timon2155

And after all, ours will agree to the conditions of Ukraine ... How many times has it begun: the Ukrainians voice their gas demands, ours sharply deny everything, and then they agree once and again! And we all wipe (((

just you produce our power of words and thoughts, what you say and what roam in your head. The SE has already said that if transit through Ukraine is economically profitable and competitive in cost with SP-1,2, then it is even possible to INCREASE the volume of pumped gas. Ukraine will cut transit rates fourfold, and after that, it is quite possible that it will gain "REMOTE" and gas will run again and again through the Ukrainian gas transportation system.

[Ilya Aksyonov]

The interests of the masters do not in any way concern the interests of their slaves. Nothing personal just business. Moreover, the slaves themselves rode for the interests of the masters for eight years in a row. They did everything possible and impossible to never again have the free money they had from Russia.

[Silinvv]

Well, the agreement between the UWB and Germany is exactly about this - that Russia should extend the contract, but under what conditions it is not said, not to mention the fact that it is a third party and does not care about this agreement. However, it is quite logical to offer such extension conditions under which pumping through Ukraine will be significantly more profitable than through JV and UP

[Nord11]

It’s funny.. the beggar on the porch indicates to those giving alms what bills to give him..

[Alexey Kurilov_4]

stop pumping after the launch of SP2 And until 2024 they will be fat

[Alexey Talala]

They are sick of everyone with theirs....they have already started sending them openly

[alexander 08]

I am becoming more and more convinced that the leadership of the outskirts has fallen into the hands of complete idiots!