Ten years on the "Military Review"

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Yes, ten years have passed so imperceptibly that one is amazed. It seems like I recently started trying to comment on the site, and here there is already an asterisk in the profile. Therefore, I wanted to talk and speculate about how these ten years have passed. The fact that it is fruitful is understandable, but now we will not talk about achievements (although there are not many of them), but about one of the components of our today's existence.

That is, about readers and writers. About our audience.



Indeed, over the past ten years, the mass of readers has changed dramatically. And today, even in the sweetest dream, it is already unrealistic to imagine the processes that took place at the dawn of our formation.

Ten years ago, the site was just beginning to rise to its feet and was, in fact, a cozy room where rare army fanatics gathered, who really wanted to see at least something positive around them. And yes, we, the creative team, did our best to show that there is something good in our military environment. To carry, so to speak, optimism and hope to the masses.

And they carried it. Probably, they carried it well, because they gradually reached the level that we rightfully occupy. Yes, we are walking on the "Top-100" of the Russian media, but to great pleasure in the first half of it.

But then we really were a bunch of like-minded people who gathered in a virtual smoking room and talked in a friendly way on various topics. Then other readers began to catch up, the conversations became more lively and more interesting.

Then there was a series of "national conflicts". Armenian-Azerbaijani (but this is eternal, it seems to me), Russian-Arab-Israeli, Russian-Ukrainian, and so on. We, administrators and moderators, have gradually learned to be tough. Old-timers still remember and remember with the kind words of the moderator Apollo, who tried to find an approach to everyone and preferred to persuade not to be rude or swear at the commentators. Azer and I often argued on this topic, but when he started his career as a moderator, a day and a half to two dozen commentators came in, and therefore we could afford to mess with everyone.

Then came other times and other numbers of commentators. More aggressive. More motivated. These damn epaulets and ratings are still poisoning the life of the administration, as presented by some of our readers. During the night, 1000 points disappeared - we urgently need to catch the next Order.

The Order was fun too.

But the peak of unanimity came in 2014. There is something to remember, indeed, there was a complete feeling of being a part of one perfectly well-oiled organism that breathes and thinks with you. And we really did a lot of good things.

And then what we have today began. Even more people came, different people came, and they came in such a way that the "old people" began to leave or stop writing. Here the Order, of course, helped, but really, what's the point of writing something if a whole crowd immediately rushes at you, and without reading (this will be a separate conversation) throws "minuses" at you.

Initially, if a person comes to some platform, he comes for positive emotions that he experiences, assimilating information that is interesting for himself. There are more than enough negative ones in everyday life.

But in general, many note and I almost agree with them that the site ... no, I do not quite agree here. The site has remained the same. Yes, the authors are changing, there is such a thing, but the orientation of Voennoye Obozreniye has remained absolutely the same. Moderately sensible and politically pro-Russian.

The audience for commentators has changed. Moreover, it actually happened before our eyes, for some three or four years. Literacy fell, and with a crash. Don't be offended here, those who read it, but today, when you moderate the comments of so many people who write, you realize that here it is, the 40-point USE in all its horror. Morgoth just smokes nervously on the sidelines.

The goals / priorities have also changed. Before, yes, it was a cozy and warm communication of like-minded people. Today, the main majority of commentators come for only one thing: to express their Personal Opinion to everyone and to show how the author is not in the subject. To rise, so to speak.

Moreover, the argumentation of the correctness of the commentator sometimes takes on obviously ugly forms. As one of this legion recently issued, "The author received a fee for his article, and therefore he must take into account everything that is said to him here."

Interesting, right? This was not the case before. In fact, it's funny. It seems that some of the commentators pay royalties to the authors, and therefore each of the authors is simply obliged to take into account everything that the commentator wants to give out.

Authors react differently to this, but those who know about the sources of funding do not break their hearts.

Previously, the author and readers were interlocutors, communicating on common and interesting topics. Today the author, in the understanding of a certain number of readers, is an element of entertainment for the latter. Therefore, you can not stand on ceremony. Anonymous, since you still need to look for such minimum requirements as on our website in terms of registration.

In general, the respect has decreased several times. Yes, there were times when the address to the interlocutor on the site was "respected". Indeed, there were fewer visitors and everyone respected each other, even if they did not love.

Now the norm is familiar rudeness. Yes, and even on "you". For different authors in different ways, I, for example, amused when a complete stranger considers it normal for himself to address "Roma, you ...". And it is a pleasure to write back a request to remind me which ditch we were in together, and whether we drank up to the broodershaft ditch.

You never know, I suddenly forgot ... We are not cognac, we do not get better with age. Suddenly I really forgot.

Some may point out to me that in PM I just behave like a tram boor. Or a Voronezh redneck. Yes, there is, I admit. But a personal - she's a personal, and what happens there between two organisms is their own business. It happens, of course, and some messages become public, but this is already the level of Ukrainian politics or lower.

But - that is, that is. Politeness was gone along with warm communication. There is some kind of rabidness, the impression is that people come here not to read something interesting, but to quickly throw out in two lines all the anger accumulated during the day. Well, or take it out on the authors.

Not all over the place, of course. Andrey from Chelyabinsk has his own little bay, they sit there, polish anchors and you can even envy. But mostly the situation is sad. Especially where there is a discussion of topical topics.

Of course, there is a certain medicine here. For example, do not read the comments on your articles. Personally, it has been helping me for a long time, I rarely go. And the opinion about the article can be read on other resources, where the people are more cultured. Fortunately, they are being reprinted. And with us - there is no point.

I, of course, understand that a mundane 10-hour working day and a formatted telecom man in the street needs what? It is necessary to get confirmation of what he heard / read during the day. And if the files do not fit, then everything is according to old man Zadornov. Stupor and unwillingness to think. But what can we do, this is our life today.

Well, the most unpleasant thing for the author. Reading became even less. This is again towards the commentators. If in the "good old days" they read through a line, now, at best, through a paragraph. In general, the first two and one last paragraphs are usually enough.

The main thing is to grasp the general meaning of the article, and rush to scribble a comment before others get ahead. Otherwise, you can probably get fewer "plus signs". But the fact that often gentlemen commentators demonstrate that they have not read all the material is a normal and common occurrence, to my deep regret.

Sometimes you read this, and you yourself are amazed - well, where, in what letter did I write this? Sometimes you even check, and sometimes a cognitive dissonance arises, you look like this, you understand that this is it, here I wrote this and that. And the reader is just a mimicrocodile, took it and slipped through. But he took a thinner in his mouth and wrote how he spat. And you there understand His Special Opinion, and just try not to respect.

Appeal to reason? Completeness ... you look with what rapture the gentlemen commenting on each other sometimes shut their mouths and you understand that it is also a pleasure for them to impose on each other. Done regardless of age or position. Like everyone is equal here.

So we had to cancel the flags. Well, it's just that there is no longer any strength left to endure this obscurantism. Return rating to Jews, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ukrainians. After all, they sculpted it completely without reading, purely according to the flag, as if they worked on sight. And in the end, many survived.

And I am personally sorry that the Israeli diaspora has thinned out. Yes, they are mostly harmful, but smart. And they go further than shouts that everyone who enters the Black Sea should be drowned, or that the United States should have been hit with its entire nuclear arsenal long ago. Clever, but harmful Jews diluted the domestic swamp very well.

It is a pity that there are almost no Kazakhs left. But this is not our fault, but the politicians of the Republic of Kazakhstan, who for some reason put us on the “black list”. And now it is very difficult to get to the site from Kazakhstan. But our cunning and thoughtful neighbors are leaking in. And I am very sorry that the Kazakhs are almost gone.

And in general, unfortunately, mostly smart people leave. Or they stop commenting, which is almost the same thing. They just do not want to get involved with those who do not strain themselves too much with the process of deliberation. It's easier. It's so much easier. It's like not reading the comments on your articles, roughly from the same opera.

As I understand it, this streak is a little longer. Probably, it is worth considering tightening the censorship in relation to comments. And in the "reader-author" system, and in the "reader-reader". Too many nervous readers have appeared, frankly unable to control themselves. It's time to start doing something in this direction. Instill courtesy.

Well, dissent. This is generally the scourge of our time. Unfortunately, all the same problems began to appear in our country as in the whole country. Completely according to the Ukrainian scenario, that is, "Get the gang!" We took a lot in this regard from our neighbors, and we poison everyone who does not agree with the generally accepted point of view.

Do you not believe in the saints of "Poseidon" with "Petrel" who will send us to paradise and America to die? On you cons, dear. Do you not believe that in 7 years we will have a nuclear aircraft carrier with a capacity of 100 tons? You're sold to the United States with giblets, dear. Don't you understand that besides Putin, there is no one else to lead the country? Your place is not on "VO", but on "Echo".

And stuff like that.

In general, of course, the ideas of our Orenburg reader Vitaly, who changed several hundred masks, going from Mehan to Weasel (a better nickname, in my opinion, than any "exposer" and "truth-tellers"), that one should shout "urya" without thinking at all, they sprouted. Unfortunately. Or the virus of "mechanism" is raging.

But in principle, stupidity and stupidity is not the worst thing. Vitalik is sculpted with packs of "minus", he really got fed up with his very gash melody on the theme that "everything is going as it should, you just have to be patient."

More fearful is hatred of dissidents and outright rudeness. Sometimes you read the "communication" of readers and wipe whole branches with an unwavering hand, because these comments do not carry any useful information, they are solid negative.

And especially for some reason, fans of "Great Russia" and "We are going the right way" succeed in this. For some reason, they are the most rabid in terms of defending their point of view, and therefore they are not shy in expressions.

Directly you begin to believe in Jewish pogroms, mass punishment of dissidents (from the unvaccinated to mysterious liberals), give them only the opportunity.

After that, you often start very aggressively thinking about whether we are people at all? If there are so many of us among us, where will we go, to what heavenly booths? Well, the "mechanized" ones, they don't care what kind, if only a nuclear strike would be inflicted on the United States. And there, in the ashes, they will dance the hopak from the heart.

Ten years is a period. Reading the comments, which from year to year do not become smarter and more meaningful, it becomes somehow sad. Where are we heading? To "mechanized" sofa columns sweeping away everything on their way to a brighter future? Who are shouting their eternal "we will not forget, we will not forgive"? From the couch.

In general, there is still a slice of hope that everything will return to normal. And in another five years, I will be able to admit that in 2021 I saw everything in a somewhat gloomy light. But what if this is still the case?

In general, I hope that the site will grow wiser after all. And there will be many more readers who will write really worthwhile and smart comments. Not like this:

Russia needs to deliver a nuclear strike against the United States and this will end the Great Patriotic War. The United States cannot retaliate with a nuclear strike against Russia, it has already tried it many times.

An indicator of what is going on in the minds of some. I would like as little as possible of such reasoning from sick people and as much as possible smart from normal readers.

After all, we come here not only for information, but also for human communication. I really hope that it will be like this for another 10 years, or even more. Humanly, first of all.
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    2. +81
      26 July 2021 11: 37
      I think you are exaggerating. But the background of others on VO and moderation, and the selection of material for objectivity and criticality is above average.
      Another thing is that a decrease in the number of articles in the section on weapons and history with an increase in the number of articles with a yellow or obviously provocative tinge gradually attracts a specific audience from which it is difficult to expect meaningful and meaningful comments - all those problems that the author writes about.
      1. +30
        26 July 2021 12: 01
        I like the site precisely for its variety of articles and comments to them. Everyone here for himself can find material of interest to him in one of the sections.
        1. +9
          26 July 2021 21: 03
          Quote: SERGE ANT
          I like the site precisely for its variety of articles and comments to them. Everyone here for himself can find material of interest to him in one of the sections.

          that's exactly what it is. Different people can find exactly what everyone needs.
          Someone ---- news, someone ------ to joke, someone ----- to argue .....
          1. +5
            27 July 2021 10: 48
            In general, I hope that the site will grow wiser after all. And there will be many more readers who will write really worthwhile and smart comments.
            Where from, Roman? The level of education is falling, and educated people are leaving. It will get worse further. Unfortunately.
      2. +38
        26 July 2021 12: 30
        After all, we come here not only for information, but also for human communication. "

        Quite right! And then we get a warning for a flood. Yes? The fact that the VO is sliding lower and lower, I noticed it for 10 years. Moreover, the author of the article himself makes a contribution to this process. But worst of all, the skilled technicians are almost gone. Previously, comments were sometimes more interesting and carried more scientific content than an article. This is not the case today. They are not interested in dealing with punks. Avior said the rest.
        1. +18
          26 July 2021 14: 14
          The message of the article is clear, it turns out that the VO site has slipped to the level of Buzova's blog, then the Site administration is not to blame, but we are members of the forum. Well done! good
          1. +10
            26 July 2021 14: 31
            1. In general, the old-timers are patriotic and like real statesmen, they think first of all about the people, which is the state.
            2. The influx of illiterate and boorish "paid" patriots devalues ​​the methodical work of more professional pro-government commentators and authors.
            3. Oh my God, how have I been here for a long time ... tomorrow will be like 10 years IN.
            1. +6
              27 July 2021 13: 29
              Quote: Civil
              The influx of illiterate and boorish "paid" patriots devalues ​​the methodical work of more professional pro-government commentators and authors.

              I suggest that the site moderators, or rather the programmers, slightly change the method of evaluating comments - leave the "PLUSES" unchanged, and skip the "MINUSES" if there is a justification, a comment, why "MINUS"! And then a flock of kites or hyenas sits here and periodically pounces on comments and sculpts "MINUSES" in the subject and without!
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                27 July 2021 15: 54
                Starover_Z (Yuri)

                I suggest that the site moderators, or rather the programmers, slightly change the method of evaluating comments - leave the "PLUSES" unchanged, and skip the "MINUSES" if there is a justification, a comment, why "MINUS"! And then a flock of kites or hyenas sits here and periodically pounces on comments and sculpts "MINUSES" in the subject and without!
                Yes Yes! And to the rating of the article in the form of an asterisk "Important", add the rating "Sucks" in the form of an Aryan swastika?
                1. +2
                  27 July 2021 22: 43
                  Quote: TANKISTONE
                  Yes Yes! And to the rating of the article in the form of an asterisk "Important", add the rating "Sucks" in the form of an Aryan swastika?

                  And there are articles from the heading "almost nothing", so the "minus" to some articles did not interfere, at least in informational terms, as the opinion of readers. Well, naturally through a comment.
              2. +3
                27 July 2021 22: 22
                In my opinion, this can lead to a war of minuses, when a minus will be put not for a comment, but for the fact that a person put a minus to you before. And some justification will be tightened
                It would be more correct, in my opinion, to limit everyone's opportunity to put pros and cons - say, five a day or ten.
                Then the pluses and minuses will not be put without hesitation, by the way
                1. -1
                  28 July 2021 09: 00
                  Quote: Avior
                  In my opinion, this can lead to a war of minuses, when a minus will be put not for a comment, but for the fact that a person put a minus to you before. And some justification will be tightened
                  It would be more correct, in my opinion, to limit everyone's opportunity to put pros and cons - say, five a day or ten.
                  Then the pluses and minuses will not be put without hesitation, by the way

                  Whoever has a balance in the black by many tens of thousands, that has an extra dozen minuses without a difference. Let the patriots be indignant.
                  1. +2
                    28 July 2021 09: 51
                    There are different people with such balances, with different views.
                    Ideally, the balance should reflect the importance and usefulness of the posts, and not the personal attitude of the plus-minus to a particular character.
                    Limiting the number of posts per day will allow you to take more seriously who to post them, and reduce the situation
                    - hello, Vitya!
                    - Hi Kolya!
                    And here we are on the plus side for such informative posts.
                2. +1
                  28 July 2021 21: 10
                  Starover_Z (Yuri)
                  Well, of course, through a comment.
                  This is already the answer, because commenting is much lazier than clicking on the icon.
            2. Aag
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              29 July 2021 19: 28
              Quote: Civil
              1. In general, the old-timers are patriotic and like real statesmen, they think first of all about the people, which is the state.
              2. The influx of illiterate and boorish "paid" patriots devalues ​​the methodical work of more professional pro-government commentators and authors.
              3. Oh my God, how have I been here for a long time ... tomorrow will be like 10 years IN.

              Excuse me, is this subtle sarcasm? (Well, item 1 with item 2 does not fit, IMHO) ...
              I just don’t know what to add to it))) ...
              1. +1
                30 July 2021 07: 33
                Quote: AAG
                Excuse me, is this subtle sarcasm? (Well, item 1 with item 2 does not fit, IMHO) ...

                Everything fits together, the old forum are basically people who are very worried about the army and the navy. And after the rise in popularity, politotas came running here, as a result, VO was included in the 100 popular ones and in order to kill the liberals, several people were sent to reflect the opinion of the government of the Russian Federation. At first, these were quite balanced and erudite people, then, after the funding was cut, their places began to be taken by people not burdened with intelligence, but with a bunch of empty registrations. With which they hang up the disadvantages indiscriminately a liberal or an outraged statesman. And it was their actions and insults of normal members of the forum, coupled with the economic crisis, that made the main commentators skeptical about domestic politics.
                1. Aag
                  +1
                  30 July 2021 11: 11
                  Quote: Civil
                  Quote: AAG
                  Excuse me, is this subtle sarcasm? (Well, item 1 with item 2 does not fit, IMHO) ...

                  Everything fits together, the old forum are basically people who are very worried about the army and the navy. And after the rise in popularity, politotas came running here, as a result, VO was included in the 100 popular ones and in order to kill the liberals, several people were sent to reflect the opinion of the government of the Russian Federation. At first, these were quite balanced and erudite people, then, after the funding was cut, their places began to be taken by people not burdened with intelligence, but with a bunch of empty registrations. With which they hang up the disadvantages indiscriminately a liberal or an outraged statesman. And it was their actions and insults of normal members of the forum, coupled with the economic crisis, that made the main commentators skeptical about domestic politics.

                  Thanks for the clarifications!
                  Sorry, I did not notice in the 1st paragraph of your comment the words "real" (statesmen) ... hi
          2. 0
            27 July 2021 10: 40
            Quote: Proxima
            it turns out that the VO site has slipped to the level of Buzova's blog, then it is not the Site administration that is to blame, but we forum users.
            Not all commentators are smeared by the author with one substance, we must give him his due. Putin's supporters are to blame for everything, who here persecute and humiliate the light elves - Putinophobes. The conclusion suggests itself: for every positive review about Putin and the work of his appointees, the commentator should be sent to an eternal ban. Then there will be a continuous refined sugar, candy of the level of the neo-Trotskyists of the "Unofficial site of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation"
        2. +7
          26 July 2021 20: 41
          "Well, dissent. This is generally the scourge of our time" - I quote Roman (the author), who was once a banshee and wrote excellent reports about Donetsk. Now he writes about any war news with the addition of politics. Boring. If you want to fight Putin - fight. I esteem Shilakovsky better, who is constantly insulted by the faithful political politicians in the comments.
          1. +3
            26 July 2021 21: 26
            Quote: smart75
            Now he writes about any war news with the addition of politics.


            It's funny. I love to learn new things about myself. But alas, here you have obviously beguiled me with someone)) I don’t deal with news.
            1. +4
              26 July 2021 21: 29
              Roman, good evening. For me, any of your articles are military news)
              Habit, from 14.
            2. Aag
              -1
              29 July 2021 20: 16
              Hello, Roman! (Sorry, I don't know your middle name) ...
              This article of yours ... how to say ... (some of your statements are obvious, some are controversial, some theses are perplexing). This is especially surprising. Because, at least for me, in the section "Opinions", You are the absolute leader (sorry for the journalistic term) ... Your articles are shocking with vitality, however, I will not judge the motivation (as you wrote, they throw it off).
              The above article, IMHO, is a "call to a friend" after midnight after 0,5. No, I do not blame, I extrapolate ... on myself.
              Good luck to you! We will defeat everyone! hi
        3. 0
          30 July 2021 12: 45
          Some time ago, that is, about five years ago, I also joined the VO community.
          I looked from my phone in the application, in android it was impossible to comment, only read. I wanted to answer, my hands were itching!
          And so, a year ago I designed a profile.

          I started to write comments. At first I tried on the case and reasoned. And then he blossomed a little and began to admit humor and jokes ...
          Simply due to the fact that the majority does this, it is impossible to reach the rank of "couch general" with comments once a week on their profile topics. wink

          I am amazed how some people write XNUMX comments in a month - and immediately go to "generals" ... lol
          (PS: and sometimes it seems that a bot farm of 20 people is sitting behind one nickname, which for some reason "pumps" the character for the weight of the pros / cons. I don't know, it's just a thought.)

          And what am I for? And to the fact that the community in many ways dictates behavior. While I was just reading, I ignored squabbles and unworthy nonsense, looking for really meaningful things. And the desire to leave its mark on every topic leads to the degeneration of a serious position ... Alas.

          As the audience grows, this is inevitable. A highly specialized forum has turned into a news aggregator, which is also quite good! For news "through the prism" of military topics is a unique feature that many are looking for. I've found it.

          There are pros and cons everywhere. The main thing is that the amount is positive. good
      3. +16
        26 July 2021 13: 38
        in, you are completely right, the problem is just in the material and the approach of the administration to the materials, on the face of the problem is the "littering" or, more precisely, "the loss of important / interesting / useful articles in the general information garbage."

        On the one hand, I understand admins that they want to increase traffic and therefore monetize advertising. On the other hand, as a reader, I do not have the opportunity to find something interesting for myself in the infamous garbage, there is not even a banal complex search with sorting, filtering, tags or, at worst, a cataloguer.
        1. +6
          26 July 2021 13: 44
          Some kind of balance probably needs to be maintained. And he has noticeably shifted lately :(
          1. +12
            26 July 2021 14: 24
            In Kazakhstan, VO was blocked, but as one acquaintance who was involved in this said and his opinion, I share the site a little; I myself am guilty of this by posting yellow and provocative articles and then the dirt poured out in the comments also somehow does not contribute to normalizing relations. By the way, the number of such articles has decreased after blocking.
            1. +4
              26 July 2021 21: 27
              Divine stupidity. A mountain of websites was blocked in Kazakhstan, without explaining the reasons. Not only us, but even a number of feds.
      4. +14
        26 July 2021 13: 58
        Quote: Avior
        I think you're exaggerating.

        Not really. The problem is urgent and long overdue.
        Quote: Avior
        But the background of others on VO and moderation, and the selection of material for objectivity and criticality is above average.

        Perhaps yes, if we compare VO and PL, for example. Swearing as there is still (!) Is impossible.
        But after all, the VO sample of 2011, 2012 (the best articles with comments), 2013, and then 2014 and the drop in the level of Communication Culture is obvious. It is a reflection of society. VO also affects society, and society on VO.
        I understand that I would like to combine the culture of communication and the level of preparedness of the authors and commentators of the 2012 sample with the same 2020/21, but this is heaven and earth ..
        Sometimes you find the only comment on a topic from 2012 ..
        Rarity...
        Quote: Avior
        a decrease in the number of articles in the weapons and history section with an increase in the number of articles with a yellow or obviously provocative tinge, gradually attracts a specific audience from which it is difficult to expect meaningful and meaningful comments

        there is a stick with two ends. Themes are needed and relevant. People are there and they don't change. BUT meeting on the battlefield of VOs in these topics - they also fight battles, instead of discussing.
        Not sparing his stomach ...
        a smart and savvy commentator would not be involved in such a battle. But he will also be found in the History and Armaments section ... He cannot hide! laughing
        1. AUL
          +2
          27 July 2021 18: 41
          Quote: Black Lotos
          People are there and they don't change. BUT meeting on the battlefield of VOs in these topics - they also fight battles, instead of discussing.
          Not sparing his stomach ...
          a smart and savvy commentator would not be involved in such a battle.

          Agree to 110%!
          The culture of discussion for many in VO is absent, as a phenomenon. Instead of a calm and reasoned refutation of the opponent's opinion, a whistle of slogans not of the first freshness begins and the sticking of labels - a liberoid, an agent of the State Department, a whiner, a traitor, a Russophobe, etc. on the pillars and other very terrible promises. And what, to enter into a discussion with such humanoids? Trying to convince such a person? Too much honor for him!
          It became uninteresting to write and discuss anything on the site, so I rarely "go on the air". And many of the respondents worthy of respect also began to write rarely. All the same, a serious post is lost among the slogans and stupid gigy of the chase hunters.
          I think that one of the main reasons for this situation on the site is the blasphemous rating system, when the weight of the plus-minus depends on the evaluator's shoulder straps. I have already presented evidence of this many times, so I will not repeat myself. But it is this system that contributes to the contamination of comments by various michanas and the outflow of normal users.
          1. Aag
            0
            29 July 2021 20: 32
            Quote from AUL
            Quote: Black Lotos
            People are there and they don't change. BUT meeting on the battlefield of VOs in these topics - they also fight battles, instead of discussing.
            Not sparing his stomach ...
            a smart and savvy commentator would not be involved in such a battle.

            Agree to 110%!
            The culture of discussion for many in VO is absent, as a phenomenon. Instead of a calm and reasoned refutation of the opponent's opinion, a whistle of slogans not of the first freshness begins and the sticking of labels - a liberoid, an agent of the State Department, a whiner, a traitor, a Russophobe, etc. on the pillars and other very terrible promises. And what, to enter into a discussion with such humanoids? Trying to convince such a person? Too much honor for him!
            It became uninteresting to write and discuss anything on the site, so I rarely "go on the air". And many of the respondents worthy of respect also began to write rarely. All the same, a serious post is lost among the slogans and stupid gigy of the chase hunters.
            I think that one of the main reasons for this situation on the site is the blasphemous rating system, when the weight of the plus-minus depends on the evaluator's shoulder straps. I have already presented evidence of this many times, so I will not repeat myself. But it is this system that contributes to the contamination of comments by various michanas and the outflow of normal users.

            Unfortunately, it is a ubiquitous phenomenon!
            We must resist! ... but no longer a hunt: now time, now it’s a pity for nerves, apparently, that’s what it’s counting for ...
      5. +1
        27 July 2021 19: 50
        The average level of erudition among readers has fallen. Reasons: from lack of time due to work, loans, families and other things. Few people work for their own pleasure and receive a lot of money for it and spend little time on work. Accordingly, he cannot spend his free time on reading and self-education, which means that the level of crit thinking decreases. Everyone has long been accustomed to eating TV. You don't have to go far: pink salmon caviar cost about 900 rubles a year and a half ago for half a kilo in Moscow time, now it's 2600. But remember that inflation is 5%. So everywhere. Russia produces weapons that have no analogues in the world, but if you look at the question, then this is a scoop on crutches ... and so everywhere. The level of thinking decreases ... TV replaces reasoning and the desire to understand the issue ... well, total anger because of poverty ...
        1. Aag
          0
          29 July 2021 20: 37
          Quote: FireLake
          The average level of erudition among readers has fallen. Reasons: from lack of time due to work, loans, families and other things. Few people work for their own pleasure and receive a lot of money for it and spend little time on work. Accordingly, he cannot spend his free time on reading and self-education, which means that the level of crit thinking decreases. Everyone has long been accustomed to eating TV. You don't have to go far: pink salmon caviar cost about 900 rubles a year and a half ago for half a kilo in Moscow time, now it's 2600. But remember that inflation is 5%. So everywhere. Russia produces weapons that have no analogues in the world, but if you look at the question, then this is a scoop on crutches ... and so everywhere. The level of thinking decreases ... TV replaces reasoning and the desire to understand the issue ... well, total anger because of poverty ...

          Not the best, of course, example (with caviar), but, on the whole, I agree! Especially: "... well, total anger because of poverty ..." Of course, it's not only this, but in this context, I join.
  2. +15
    26 July 2021 11: 13
    Good analysis. Can't you open a "mirror" of the site for the CIS countries? And single comments from different countries with auto-translation ...
    1. +18
      26 July 2021 11: 18
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Can't you open a "mirror" of the site for the CIS countries? And single comments from different countries with auto-translation ...


      I would like to. They are working on this, as well as on their own network for communication, but everything is very difficult there. Therefore, only to gain patience.
      1. +11
        26 July 2021 11: 58
        - It wasn't like that before.
        Yes, time is running out. Itself has been on the site for 9 years already., Albeit with a break.
        Some authors and many "old-timers" are not visible. In particular, from Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and even from Belarus.
        Add my "5 cents".
        -Good morning, I liked it, we look forward to continuing. AND EVERYTHING.
        - Less and less often discussing. No reasonable counterarguments, - MUCH more "for fun."
        Let's take pity on Petrov and Boshirov.
        And the heroes of the POLISH cartoon series Lelik and Bolek, who are constantly associated with the Czech Republic.
        As for the downsides, yes, I confess, there are BLOPS (especially recently).
        But on the other hand, the person put a minus, and relieved the tension.
        In this regard, members of the forum from Israel are present, but "invisibly".
      2. +19
        26 July 2021 12: 05
        In general, of course, the ideas of our Orenburg reader Vitaly, who changed several hundred masks, going from Mehan to Weasel (a better nickname, in my opinion, than any "exposer" and "truth-tellers"), that one should shout "urya" without thinking at all, they sprouted. Unfortunately. Or the virus of "mechanism" is raging.

        But in principle, stupidity and stupidity is not the worst thing. Vitalik is sculpted with packs of "minus", he really got fed up with his very gash melody on the theme that "everything is going as it should, you just have to be patient."


        Quite by accident, from the comments of the "senior comrades" (old-timers of the site) I learned that "Meehan", "Vitalka" and "Weasel" are one person.
        But you are the author, apparently not quite aware that the "disadvantages in packs" to Ferret - Meehan, this is not entirely, or rather not at all true.

        Someone's level of support for this character has recently been so unprecedented that his rating from "zero" to "major general" has grown in a month and a half, and if not for some of his antics, then apparently some moderators would have the opportunity to congratulate him with a marshal's baton. Yes
        1. +3
          27 July 2021 08: 00
          Quote: PiK
          Someone's level of support for this character has been so unprecedented lately that his rating has gone from "zero" to "major general" in a month and a half.

          adherents of the Order are looking for followers, so the Ferret and decided to pump it, so that it could be used as a battering ram to fight dissent
      3. +7
        26 July 2021 12: 34
        Below is Vorontsov's comment. All his comments are poems. Is this not a flood? Maybe to him on the site of writers? Already tired of this rhyme-player.
        1. +9
          26 July 2021 12: 52
          Quote: URAL72
          Is this not a flood?

          No. not a flood, a verse response to a specific comment (phrase) ...
          Quote: URAL72
          Already tired of this rhyme-player.


          You never know who is "tired" of anyone if everything is within the framework of the Rules?

          That's when the USSR stopped observing the "Rules and Norms of the Soviet Dormitory", that's when the collapse broke out.

          Are you trying to break up the Military Review?
          1. +4
            26 July 2021 12: 56
            I'm not against a quote from poetry, but when my entire smartphone screen is busy with rhyme ... Has he ever commented on something normally?
          2. +2
            26 July 2021 13: 11
            Quote: PiK
            if not for some of his antics

            Quote: PiK
            You never know who is "tired" of anyone if everything is within the framework of the Rules?

            what I don’t know !!!!
        2. +15
          26 July 2021 12: 55
          Yeah, take Vorontsov as the authors (this is the one who is the main "anti-aircraft carrier"), who, without hesitation, writes down all (well, almost all) who disagree with him in everything that Roman wrote about above, and then regret that the commentators to match such authors! Here the Ancient One is a real specialist in aviation, and I haven't seen his comments under the articles for a long time. Perhaps I look bad, but I remember the absolutely boorish conversation with him by the same Vorontsov, and I think: is it because the person no longer writes that he is tired of such commentators?

          The novel is right in its assessments, as well as in the fact that it is necessary to punish harder. Not so long ago, I also wrote a nasty comment, for which I quite rightly received a warning. I tell you so that no one would think that I consider myself white and fluffy.

          But, in my opinion, it is unfair to blame everything on commentators and readers only. Editorial policy also contributes to what is happening in the comments (see first paragraph).
          1. +10
            26 July 2021 13: 09
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            The ancient one is a real specialist in aviation, and I haven't seen his comments under the articles for a long time

            Health problems, and uryakly got to see. The AVT shark is gone, Alex TV rarely writes, Kars. request
            1. +11
              26 July 2021 14: 25
              ... Health problems

              Hello Ingvar.
              hi
              Sergei (Ancient) ???
              What about him?
              Can we help you?
              ......
              I'm here, here ...
              I just collect the organism in a heap.
              And then he kicked me up and decided to live not according to the Charter of health.))
              feel
              Andrey (Kars) reads the site, I'm sure.)) Well ... not just for him now.
              1. +6
                26 July 2021 15: 31
                Lech! Crap! Well, at least share the information, at least I'll support you with money. Glory to Bacchus I do not suffer, refrigerators and washing machines sometimes break, which means there is work.
              2. Aag
                +1
                29 July 2021 20: 44
                Health, vigor, positive! hi hi hi
            2. +9
              26 July 2021 14: 26
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The AVT shark is missing, Alex TV rarely writes, Kars

              There are no topics for Kars (to present a tank topic is simply dangerous, he would be banned for answering the uryaklam, they quickly bred for emotions)
              For example, I went into the tank topic of the 2012 sample - there Kars and opponents call each other by name, disagreeing in their opinions! And they did not go down, argued with sources, links ... Now you will be branded an agent of the State Department and a Bandera - and you poke him with a book lol
              But for example, in the topics of 2012, where Kars deliberately climbed into national discussions with arguments, they also allowed him to speak to the end, the acuteness of the topic was much lower than modern ones. The arguments were bookish, reference. Almost without personalities (but there were some)
              Minus he grabbed as if he started now. But today he would have been banned faster. laughing
              I miss Kaptsov's Battleship themes .. Compare the communication of supporters and opponents - the same heaven and earth in terms of the culture of communication. Why is it impossible now? Maybe because of instability (then society was kinder and more satisfying or something)
              I miss Akim. But his position is clear. Like many who did not survive 2014.
              Even according to Romanov. But most of all in terms of the culture of communication and the level of comments.
              It's a shame to read somewhere on Warhead about the Military Review. It's a shame, but that's the way it is.
              1. +2
                26 July 2021 15: 49
                Quote: Black Lotos
                Missing Kaptsov's Battleship Themes ..

                Yes, armored comrade! laughing
                1. +2
                  29 July 2021 07: 05
                  Greetings Ingvar!
                  It's nice that you still remember

                  But I strongly disagree with this role! Well, it has nothing to do with battleships and armor!)))

                  Well, really. Of the 500+ mostly naval articles, 5% are devoted to armor on ships, one of the topics for discussion, so beloved by the public
              2. +5
                26 July 2021 17: 42
                .It's a shame to read somewhere on Warhead about Military Review
                At one time, he left VO for VaHu precisely because toxicity in the comments sharply increased here, it became simply dangerous to express his opinion if it differs at least in some way from a hurray-hurray-hurray. Yes, that's just WaKhu was closed somewhere in the fall. I never went there again.
              3. +23
                26 July 2021 19: 14
                All the same, I am surprised that they remember me. Moreover, in a positive way.
                I'm not such a specialist, an amateur)
                Nothing came true what I was hoping for.
                The mainstay did not go to the masses, except for the trophy in the series nowhere. The drone and in Karabakh crumbled a bunch of tanks.
                There is no armata, no 140 mm gun, no liquid propellant charge.

                Well, plus, honestly, even though for so many years, I still won't get used to changing the site's design.

                Politically, I’ve already resigned myself.

                Something like this.
                1. +9
                  26 July 2021 19: 34
                  Well, you it, don't be lost
                2. +5
                  26 July 2021 20: 37
                  About Kars, I have not read your comments for a long time, and in recent years, only the Professor can be read from the old guard, and Lopatov has disappeared as an artillery specialist very competently comments.
                3. +6
                  26 July 2021 21: 26
                  ... I'm not that much of a specialist, amateur

                  Hello Andrey.
                  hi
                  Put it simply - a tank encyclopedia.
                  laughing
                  Don't worry, my T-72 still doesn't have everything that should have been on it, but it will soon be half a century.
                  I'm already tired of worrying.))
                  wink
                4. +2
                  26 July 2021 21: 31
                  Remember Kars! Even as they remember!
                5. +1
                  27 July 2021 06: 27
                  Quote: Kars
                  All the same, I am surprised that they remember me. And even in a positive way

                  Yes, you will forget you, especially how you beat me in the Leopard dispute! laughing
                  1. +3
                    27 July 2021 10: 24
                    Have you seen it? You look and we will quarrel again, at the expense of a three-kilometer in direct fire. Let's live, Andrey
                6. Aag
                  +1
                  29 July 2021 20: 50
                  Health and vigor!
                  And also the understanding that with your presence, participation, you can preserve some of the best that we still have ... hi
            3. +2
              26 July 2021 20: 54
              .......... the AVT shark disappeared ......
              I liked his comments and conversations with him. I congratulated him in PM and was always glad if he congratulated me on the holidays. This year there was no congratulation from him on May 9.
              1. +2
                27 July 2021 06: 34
                Quote: Reptiloid
                I liked his comments and conversations with him.

                Clever type, albeit sometimes mischievous! laughing I also liked it as an opponent. hi
                1. +1
                  27 July 2021 07: 09
                  hi in his comments there was an ideology just.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  I liked his comments and conversations with him.

                  Clever type, albeit sometimes mischievous! laughing I also liked it as an opponent. hi
                  1. +1
                    27 July 2021 08: 15
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    in his comments there was an ideology just.

                    And logic.
                    1. +1
                      27 July 2021 09: 58
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      in his comments there was an ideology just.

                      And logic.

                      There was knowledge, there was information unknown to me. I add that we did not immediately find common points of view. Well, somehow Shark and Reptiloid did not like each other! Perhaps in nature it was the same ...........
      4. 0
        26 July 2021 12: 36
        You can also duplicate in the telegram
      5. +7
        26 July 2021 15: 30
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Can't you open a "mirror" of the site for the CIS countries? And single comments from different countries with auto-translation ...


        I would like to. They are working on this, as well as on their own network for communication, but everything is very difficult there. Therefore, only to gain patience.

        hi I would very much like that, Roman. After all, there are fewer not only Israelis, but also from other countries in general. To my mind.??? And this is very important. People's diplomacy.
        Of course, I would like forum users from the former USSR to visit VO more often.
        1. +1
          26 July 2021 15: 33
          Your opinions are very important to us ...
          Ps. And yet, Roman is right, we criticize without regard to stereotypes (as bequeathed by Moses) ..
        2. +2
          26 July 2021 17: 45
          .Of course, I would like forum users from the former USSR to visit VO more often.
          It has become less because to disagree with the fact that Belarusians are Russians who have beaten out of their hands, this will get about 20 minuses)) What kind of people's diplomacy can we talk about here?)
          1. +5
            26 July 2021 18: 43
            Quote: Torins
            .Of course, I would like forum users from the former USSR to visit VO more often.
            It has become less because to disagree with the fact that Belarusians are Russians who have beaten out of their hands, this will get about 20 minuses)) What kind of people's diplomacy can we talk about here?)
            I think no.
            Time passes, new generations are growing up who either do not remember the USSR or it does not make sense for them. The former republics are drifting further and further apart.
            Years before 2006-2008, I met at work visitors from other republics who are good about the USSR. Now I see those who want to obtain Russian Citizenship, or have already received it. But --- says nothing about the USSR
          2. +2
            27 July 2021 11: 27
            An acquaintance of mine once crossed paths with Belarusians at a festive table. He says they were normal guys until they drank. And as they drank, they were carried away on political topics and it turned out that he was personally to blame for everything that was happening now in Ukraine. laughing
            1. +2
              27 July 2021 12: 24
              These are zmagars, as a rule, they are even ashamed of the fact that they are Belarusians. They dream of going to live in America, or at least to Poland, and for some reason do not go. They sit at home and whine that everything is bad, but Rygorych and Putin are to blame for everything. There are not very many of them, but they are very active.
        3. Aag
          +2
          29 July 2021 21: 02
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Can't you open a "mirror" of the site for the CIS countries? And single comments from different countries with auto-translation ...


          I would like to. They are working on this, as well as on their own network for communication, but everything is very difficult there. Therefore, only to gain patience.

          hi I would very much like that, Roman. After all, there are fewer not only Israelis, but also from other countries in general. To my mind.??? And this is very important. People's diplomacy.
          Of course, I would like forum users from the former USSR to visit VO more often.

          Although not addressed to me, let me join. (?)
          On the post-Soviet, and further territories, and so there are not many, not that pro-Russian, pro-Soviet people (we will leave the reasons outside the scope of discussion, if you don’t mind), so if they find the courage to write something here, some of them also spread rot idiots, not even listening! knowingly, without argumentation, purely emotionally, turning people away from, against Russia, its people. (((...
      6. 0
        26 July 2021 15: 45
        But then we really were a bunch of like-minded people who gathered in a virtual smoking room and talked in a friendly way on various topics.

        Ie, do you miss the times when VO was just a small, specialized site (like a forum thread), on a military topic, and not, like now, an information weapon? )))
        You can always come back to this by printing purely technical articles, with a high barrier to entry for a layman.)))
        Well, or at worst, opening your own new site (collecting all the old authors), which will also be good. The Russian media sphere is just beginning its journey, and there are a lot of opportunities here.
        1. +2
          26 July 2021 21: 35
          I don’t understand why I threw so many minuses to you? It's a smart idea.
        2. -1
          29 July 2021 22: 20
          There is no need to make another "informational weapon" out of VO, we already have such "weapons" too much, to the point of nausea, even on the Internet. It's better not to think about TV at night.
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    2. +15
      26 July 2021 12: 21
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      For your shoulder straps ...
  4. +41
    26 July 2021 11: 13
    And yet the forum is not very bad. Especially I am personally grateful to the authors who write in the topics "History" and "Armament". They are the main ones for me on this site because they give food to both the mind and heart.
    1. +26
      26 July 2021 11: 20
      And no one says that everything is bad. Everyone finds something for themselves, which means that everything is going as it should.
      1. +7
        26 July 2021 11: 32
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Everyone finds something for themselves

        Judging by your article, you have found changes on the site over the years with mostly negative connotations. Yes
        1. +19
          26 July 2021 12: 01
          Well, it's like a glass - half full or half empty. In fact, if you raise questions, those that can be resolved. If the level of stupidity grows, if politeness is forgotten from the word "absolutely" - we must first of all talk about it.
      2. +30
        26 July 2021 13: 07
        Alas, Roman, not everyone finds it. And not all of them.
        The selection and delivery of news on the site is highly politicized and selective.
        The last example is the launch of "Science". Where is the display of this news in the appropriate heading? Why should the Russian audience look for information about this event in foreign sources? After all, the event is far from ordinary? After all, launching the module into orbit? After a quarter century of torment on Earth.
        It is clear that there is nothing to brag about yet. It is clear that there was an embarrassment and inconvenience. The perigee of the module's orbit was raised in half, but there is still a docking ahead. But could you say a few words about this? At least five days after the start? Or is it allowed to cover only victories? Which, by the way, for the most part exist only in plans and on paper?
        Meanwhile, the news of another unsuccessful landing of the Starship Mask flew into the heading literally a few minutes later.
        Such a biased, one-sided presentation of the material somewhat downgrades the status of the resource. News feed must be objective and timely.
      3. +17
        26 July 2021 13: 27
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Everyone finds something for themselves, which means that everything is going as it should.

        I found an interesting lesson for myself. After reading the next article, or informational message, find the original source to which the article refers. At the same time, the full address of the original is not given (a big VO problem). The authors invite readers to comment on what is not in the original, while setting the right direction for the discussion. Propaganda however.
        1. +6
          26 July 2021 15: 51
          Quote: WIKI
          I found an interesting lesson for myself. After reading the next article, or informational message, find the original source to which the article refers.

          I try to do the same before giving a comment. Often there are inconsistencies with the original source, or some distortion of the meaning or spirit of what is stated. Yes
    2. +5
      26 July 2021 11: 35
      Believe it for so many people) sometimes you miss weeks and then you sit and reread)
      1. +3
        26 July 2021 12: 46
        Quote: carstorm 11
        you skip weeks and then you sit and reread)

        I agree with you.
        It often happens that you get the most interesting counterarguments for your comments in a few days ...
    3. +8
      26 July 2021 13: 51
      I agree with Aaron! We got the "yellow" articles.
  5. +12
    26 July 2021 11: 14
    Eck, Roman, you got kicked. Yes, we read, comment less, something lazy, for the sixth dozen to many.
    1. +21
      26 July 2021 11: 19
      Quote: perepilka
      Eck, Roman, you got poked


      Well ... Once every ten years, you can speak, probably.
      1. +8
        26 July 2021 11: 26
        Yes, sometimes there are not enough obscene letters.
        With Solomon, everything goes away, and it goes away drinks
        1. +10
          26 July 2021 12: 53
          By the way, about the mat. This is a site for the military basically. And in the army they use foul language - this is more informative, it comes faster. I think indulgences are needed. For example, I'm waiting for it to be banned. Then I'll just leave.
          1. +1
            26 July 2021 14: 29
            Quote: URAL72
            And in the army they use foul language - this is more informative, it comes faster. I think indulgences are needed. For example, I'm waiting for it to be banned. Then I'll just leave.

            I was crying, not the army, but you can use foul language.
            All the same, we are cultured people here ... but culturally you can swear aloud, but not in the comments.
            Grabs Meehan with his censorship expressions.
            1. +11
              26 July 2021 14: 37
              It's not about mats - completely censorship and medical terms and expressions are prohibited here. For example, Ukrainians cannot be called green plants, Americans are pin-mi. Separately, gay and not very smart people. Try to write the title of Dostoevsky's famous novel. This is common among the people and even the media. And by no means a mate.
              1. +1
                26 July 2021 18: 41
                Yes, they normally speak in the army, by name and patronymic. And obscenities, at only the task to set, but the order to bring to mind, when time is running out.
              2. +2
                26 July 2021 22: 40
                Quote: URAL72
                It's not about mats - completely censorship and medical terms and expressions are prohibited here. For example, Ukrainians cannot be called green plants, Americans are pin-mi. Separately, gay and not very smart people. Try to write the title of Dostoevsky's famous novel. This is common among the people and even the media. And by no means a mate.

                Yes, Oleg, soon we will be banned for quotes from Mosfilm ... wink
          2. +1
            27 July 2021 16: 05

            URAL72 (Oleg)
            By the way, about the mat. This is a site for the military basically. And in the army they use foul language - this is more informative, it comes faster. I think indulgences are needed. For example, I'm waiting for it to be banned. Then I'll just leave.
            Oleg, M.N. Zadornov had about this. I propose to all the well-known expression (e ... b - k ...... b!) To be replaced by the no less capacious and patriotic "evpatit-tinker!". I tried it already on the site, it passes. Many of our former Soviet Union members speak obscenely when they are unable to express something literally (heard at a construction site, on vacation). And I got to know the plasterers - painters at the construction site: they talk, it seems, in Turkish, swear in Russian. He came up and asked. Gagauz people from Moldova. wink
      2. 0
        26 July 2021 22: 30
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Quote: perepilka
        Eck, Roman, you got poked


        Well ... Once every ten years, you can speak, probably.

        Roman, if you are not sure, then you should not overtake! I was convinced of this by reseeding from Sonata 2.0 to Focus 1.6! wink
      3. +4
        26 July 2021 22: 31
        Cool. My comment in this thread has been deleted, although it did not contain any insults or references to anyone (anything). Just a question was asked about the lack of comments on the last holiday of the Navy. Does the truth strike you in the eye?
  6. +18
    26 July 2021 11: 23
    Sections Opinions, Analytics combine with News. Call Hurray.
    Move history and weapons forward in the header.
    Thanks to the authors of these sections!
    1. 0
      26 July 2021 14: 32
      Quote: Dimka75
      Sections Opinions, Analytics combine with News. Call Hurray.

      yes, at least take admission there - do you want to read *? I am ready to accept the conditions (culture of communication, lack of jargon, inability to minus, etc.)
      And the topics so that the rest frolic but reasonable people did not inadvertently go there. (That is, admission - Are you ready that they will wash you with a flood? Yes, go through, but no, go to the Armament section)
    2. +2
      27 July 2021 21: 18
      Quote: Dimka75
      Sections Opinions, Analytics combine with News. Call Hurray.
      Move history and weapons forward in the header.

      And I support, and I also suggest that commentators come up with badges: "Elite" and "Servants"!
  7. +24
    26 July 2021 11: 27
    It is a pity for many of those who left, very ...
    It was really somehow more cultured with them on VO, or something ...
    More cultured and more informative.
    And now - any contradiction to the general flow is cut and there is a killing of the dispute, the struggle of opinions.

    And yet - there is no reconciliation in society, not at all ...
    And this is not even about the issues of Modernity, the Second World War, the revolution or the tsar. Recently I watched the battle over the events of the 17-18 centuries. It would seem that it's time to come to a consensus ... Yeah, shchaz ...
    Commentators were ready to gnaw each other's throats, and at the level - no, not at the level facts, and at the level - patriot / russophobe. Such a feeling - that people shared the inheritance of mother-in-law feel

    It's all sad ...
    1. +19
      26 July 2021 11: 38
      "Strange people lived at the beginning of the century. People who know how to love and forgive. And they bequeathed this to us, but we lost this gift in the vanity of our senseless and endless constructions, insults, adversities and the incredible accumulation of purely philistine, addressless anger. Anger against everyone ... "
      True, the writer and front-line soldier Boris Vasiliev wrote this about the people of the last century ...
      1. +17
        26 July 2021 12: 48
        "Pretending to be kind is even more repelling than anger."
        L.N. Tolstoy
        1. +11
          26 July 2021 12: 59
          Hmmm. They were puzzled ... smile
          You know, I somehow don’t notice feigned kindness in the comments on VO, but there’s a lot of "philistine unaddressed anger". And the most important thing that we lose is respect. To yourself, to others. You can disagree with a person, you can even hate him and strive to destroy. But, I am convinced that this should be done with respect ... hi bully
          1. +21
            26 July 2021 13: 48
            I observe outright anger only in the discussion of the so-called. "political" articles, the author and commentators have already named the reason for this and I see no reason to repeat it, except perhaps to add a little I can. People here are mostly mature enough and with already established views on life, so the Weasel will never accept Svarog's point of view, just how Olgovich and Tatra will never convince an opponent of anything in a dispute. But the fact that in their disputes people often began to indulge in outright rudeness and disregard for those who disagree with them is immensely depressing ..
            1. +6
              26 July 2021 17: 43
              Quote: SERGE ant
              People here are mostly old enough and with already established views on life, so the Ferret

              The ferret was already soaked, yesterday, the same Roman-author Calling him all sorts and giggling, made a control shot! As it is disgusting and now in the article humiliates him, not allowing him to speak in his defense .. This is a frequent tactic of Roman! He is very vindictive and has been taking revenge on me since 2015 ..
          2. +9
            26 July 2021 13: 54
            Quote: tasha
            and "philistine unaddressed anger" - it is full. And the most important thing that we lose is respect. To yourself, to others. You can disagree with a person, you can even hate him and strive to destroy. But, I am convinced that this should be done with respect ..

            How a person changes his life position is well described in the article:
            "When there are a lot of people in our social network, it is difficult for us to remember which point of the segment the opinion of each corresponds to. Therefore, we use two labels, one of which we hang on each: the label" we "- if the opinion of a person is close to ours, or the label" they " - if far away.
            Thus, two camps are inexorably formed on any issue (political views, gender, sexuality, race ...), even if, in fact, the opinions of the participants in the collective cognitive activity correspond to many points along the segment.
            In such a social network, the best are the "extremists", whose opinions are at extreme points.
            The worst of all are the "centrists", whose opinion dangles in the middle of the segment, because they are "disliked" by both groups of "extremists".
            the opinion of the "centrists", under the influence of social and psychological factors, is forced to migrate to the edges of the segment. As a result, the overwhelming majority becomes “extremists”.
            https://sergey-57776.medium.com/в-соцсетях-центристы-неотвратимо-превращаются-в-экстремистов-302d108447c0
    2. +6
      26 July 2021 15: 51
      It is a pity for many of those who left ...

      Yes very. I often remember Amurts-Nikolai.
      A wonderful person. Great technical comments.
      1. AUL
        +2
        27 July 2021 08: 38
        And I am very sorry that there is no SSI on the site now. He was a very competent comrade.
  8. +7
    26 July 2021 11: 29
    Congratulations! And time really flies! Now my sister is 11 already)
    1. +2
      26 July 2021 22: 57
      Quote: Trevis
      Congratulations! And time really flies! Now my sister is 11 already)

      Judging by the text of the commentary, you began to drink, smoke, swear and write comments on VO from the womb at the same time!
      1. +1
        27 July 2021 09: 52
        You revealed me, just don't tell anyone)
  9. +15
    26 July 2021 11: 29
    Do you not believe in the saints of "Poseidon" with "Petrel" who will send us to paradise and America to die? On you cons, dear. Do you not believe that in 7 years we will have a nuclear aircraft carrier with a capacity of 100 tons? You're sold to the United States with giblets, dear. Don't you understand that besides Putin, there is no one else to lead the country? Your place is not on "VO", but on "Echo".

    Exactly. I received so many minuses on Armata, but not a single sensible refutation. Armata is sacred, how can one criticize the "masterpiece" of tank building am
    1. +5
      26 July 2021 11: 42
      So the platform. And to criticize, it is necessary to drive it, to touch it with pens. There was a mechanic with UVZ at VO, but he disappeared, and the other 72 and 64, well, 80-ke appeared here, well, this machine is indispensable in the north. Although, too, mz, the fur only has its own hatch.
      1. +6
        26 July 2021 12: 42
        There was a mechanic with UVZ at VO, but he disappeared "

        Here I would put three points ... laughing "As my old friend said - the deceased: -" I knew too much. " (WITH).
        We need to ask the FSB about his fate ...
      2. +3
        26 July 2021 13: 15
        ... There was a mechanic with UVZ at VO

        Hello Volodya!
        hi
        Are you talking about Zhenya (Mechanic / Armata)?
        He was "not quite" with UVZ ...
        Let's just say, in a "linked structure"))

        In taverns, we drank only vodka with him - so a normal man. ))
        good

        Yes, you're right, you haven't seen him for a long time.
        We need to look for contacts.
        wink
        1. +3
          26 July 2021 13: 25
          Hello Lyokha! Look.
          From you for the star of the space drinks
          Okay, did you find these? And for your shoulder straps, I have something to pour. Well, be healthy, boyar!
          1. +8
            26 July 2021 13: 46
            ... Okay, did you find these?

            Volodya, are you talking about our comedians-fishermen Pensioner and Tersky?
            That ETOGES old guard VO, probably somewhere in the taiga, a camel is taught to fly. ))
            Don't worry, we'll find empty bottles.
            Yes
            .......
            Health to you, old-timers of the Military Review !!!
            drinks
            1. +2
              26 July 2021 14: 44
              Eh, how we sang, how we drank, e-mine! And Roman, a bastard like that, deleted us and banned us. Well, that's the case. Incidentally, I recently met Egoza here. So ishsho and zhonki are at war.
              Helen, witch, hello, if you see!
            2. +2
              26 July 2021 14: 55
              Shchaz! Find, we will find, only these two camels in the Mi-24 will be retrained with full NURS pendants
            3. +4
              27 July 2021 02: 02
              Quote: Aleks tv
              probably somewhere in the taiga a camel is taught to fly. ))

              Yura, as he sips bedbugs, so begins to drive the last yeti through the taiga angry there is no time for camels wassat Hi Guys drinks
              1. +1
                27 July 2021 08: 03
                Hi Ruslan! How is Peter?
                1. +1
                  27 July 2021 17: 40
                  Melts from the heat am
                  1. 0
                    27 July 2021 18: 24
                    My daughter is there on the sixth, skoryak. Yes, son, on the Black River
    2. +7
      26 July 2021 12: 53
      Yes, God be with her, with Armat. We were very tired of waiting for all the new developments in the domestic tank building, and the truth is for someone "sacred", and therefore it is necessary to criticize with caution ...
      But with regard to historical events of a secular distance, it is really hot at times, I'm not talking about the political "battles" of recent years ...
  10. +12
    26 July 2021 11: 34
    The author, don't you think that what is happening on this resource is a kind of reflection of the processes taking place in society? And "prikormushechnye" uryakalka and eternal opposition "liberals". And the rest of the mass of readers gravitating towards one or another pole of opinion. Another thing is that IMHO is becoming more dissatisfied, due to objective, mainly economic reasons. Hence the greater nervousness and greater "extremism" in opinions. So there is nothing to blame on the mirror, since the face is not very good. request
    Shl In general, I personally like your articles. As well as the articles of Timokhin and Andrey from Chelyabinsk.
    1. 0
      26 July 2021 11: 47
      Quote: KSVK
      due to objective, mainly economic reasons.

      Minus or plus are hungry? belay
    2. +18
      26 July 2021 12: 05
      Quote: KSVK
      The author, don't you think that what is happening on this resource is a kind of reflection of the processes taking place in society?


      It does not seem. It is so indeed. Another question is that today it is not taking the most pleasant forms.

      Quote: KSVK
      Hence the greater nervousness and greater "extremism" in opinions. So there is nothing to blame on the mirror, since the face is not very good.


      I understood you. I agree. However, rabidness and unwillingness to listen to others, because not everything is going smoothly with you, is still not very good. Yes, not the best times do not give rise to the most cultural communication, but this can really be fought. Let it be repressive measures, but nevertheless. We'll have to do good.

      Quote: KSVK
      In general, I personally like your articles. As well as the articles of Timokhin and Andrey from Chelyabinsk.


      Thank you))) I read them too.
      1. +5
        26 July 2021 18: 43
        Greetings to Roman.
        Sorry to interfere.

        However, rabidness and unwillingness to listen to others, because not everything is going smoothly with you, is still not very good.

        This is the point. And this is understandable. But rabidness must have reasonable limits.
        Unfortunately, recently, some of the audience has crossed these limits ...

        "The need to fight someone"

        We are all fighting with something, with someone or for something.
        But when the fight against political forces turns into a fight against common sense and facts, the forms really become unpleasant.
      2. +2
        27 July 2021 09: 18
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Let it be repressive measures, but nevertheless. We'll have to do good.


        at the end of the century, took and subverted
        an evil person, a kind person
        from a grenade launcher, slap his goat
        therefore good is stronger than evil
        laughing hi
    3. +4
      26 July 2021 14: 34
      Quote: KSVK
      The author, don't you think that what is happening on this resource is a kind of reflection of the processes taking place in society?

      I also wrote above - a complete reflection of the mood in society.
      "The need to fight someone"
  11. +9
    26 July 2021 11: 40
    Close the topic heading news - it turned into a bunch of garbage texts, half fantasy, half stupid propaganda with pathos. 90% of all shit happens there.
    Well, the decline in the education of commentators and the quality of comments ... is still just beginning.
    1. +17
      26 July 2021 12: 07
      Well, no news at all - it will be dull, won't it? Another question is that the quality can and should be influenced - yes. The head of the news department will read the opinions about the news ... If he does not read it, I will show him))).
      1. +4
        26 July 2021 13: 08
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Well, no news at all - it will be dull, won't it?

        feel For example, the news - "a tank fell down in the Armed Forces of Ukraine." (or - Prapor rubbed his leg in the Armed Forces ... a joke).
        -------------------
        Can I turn off comments under the news? .. Under some news. Should we leave it in analytical articles, historical, technical, topical, etc.?
        1. +1
          27 July 2021 22: 19
          Quote: ammunition
          Can I turn off comments under the news? .. Under some news. Should we leave it in analytical articles, historical, technical, topical, etc.?

          Just do not give access to this "discussion" to the Elite, let the servants eat themselves there! (see the last comment of the Motorist)

          And vice versa - too.

          In general, it is better to divide the magazine (VO) into two - in a dust jacket and from waste paper.
      2. +4
        26 July 2021 14: 41
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Well, no news at all - it will be dull, won't it?

        Well, you can from the radical - Close commenting on the current news. Limit the number of comments (one for each, so as not to breed controversy, at the same time to turn off the minus, it will turn out massive) to liberal - conditional admission (additional conditions for incoming with toughening of the rules)
        True, I will support the opinion above - sometimes News is written as not news, but OBS + their irrelevance / scanty / tendency to shit. News is coverage of the event, as informative as possible, and it is wrapped in an Opinion with the addition of a gag in the spirit of the time for shit.
        By the way, there is a kind of ban, where you can write only in certain headings, or those who have distinguished themselves are immediately deprived of civil rights and freedoms in the form of closing all opportunities to comment. We just close the topic where he got banned (maybe this is a political topic and there he was thrown into emotions, as they often do now, but he is a good specialist in other topics and the author of many articles). It turns out that the commentator in the News has earned a ban and only commenting on the News has been closed for him. And the rest of the headings are not. There is no such intensity of passions.
      3. -2
        26 July 2021 17: 24
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        The head of the news department will read the opinions about the news ... He will not read it - I will show him)))

        the news department works fine.

        Maybe, if an article from "Inosmi" is taken, then let it go in full yes with comments

        And, perhaps, you need to add efficiency, that is. reduce the time from the appearance of information in the feeds of the main agencies to the appearance in the heading.
    2. +6
      26 July 2021 12: 45
      Close the topic heading news - it turned into a bunch of garbage texts, half fantasy, half stupid propaganda with pathos. 90% of all shit happens there.

      So don't read it. Or does your wife make you? I sympathize.
  12. +10
    26 July 2021 11: 44
    lol lol
    As the author promised, a massive obscene language with cutting began. what
    1. +2
      26 July 2021 12: 08
      Nothing of the kind, no terror and repression has yet begun, you shouldn't be like that.
      1. +2
        26 July 2021 14: 03
        No, Roman. Here you need to approach with correctness.
        Although my spelling is also lame. No, it's good, just lame
      2. +5
        26 July 2021 14: 34
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Nothing of the kind, no terror and repression has yet begun, you shouldn't be like that.

        "At first, arrests were planned, then dances. Then they decided to combine" laughing (c) "The same Munchausen"
  13. -7
    26 July 2021 11: 45
    Conclusion, the site needs to be cleaned. The administration cannot do this.
    We ourselves will get rid of Banderlog minuses too
    Can all the same revise the site policy?
    1. +22
      26 July 2021 12: 11
      Quote: Seryoga64
      Conclusion, the site needs to be cleaned. The administration cannot do this.


      Easy. It is possible to remove the goats, leaving the lambs. The question is how to properly separate one from the other? The Bible gives instructions very vaguely.

      Quote: Seryoga64
      We ourselves will get rid of Banderlog minuses too


      And then the question is: who are the Banderlog.

      Quote: Seryoga64
      Can all the same revise the site policy?


      I wonder which way? Maybe you can write your vision in a personal message?
      1. 0
        26 July 2021 12: 13
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Maybe you can write your vision in a personal message?

        I will write
        1. 0
          28 July 2021 18: 44
          It is possible to remove the goats, leaving the lambs. The question is how to properly separate one from the other? The Bible gives instructions very vaguely.

          Got it. She says that God will do it. Until then, both those and others exist together.
      2. 0
        26 July 2021 12: 23
        Posted
        Well, step one. Delete comments with ideology.
        The weapon does not recognize "Marxists, communists, enemies of communists", etc.
        Maybe we will start as at the beginning of the site to discuss the article, and not who believes in what
        1. +5
          26 July 2021 15: 49
          The weapon does not recognize "Marxists, communists, enemies of communists", etc.
          that is, you are for the site. without Marxists and communists, but for some reason about the liberals. democrats and bourgeoisie were silent.? Meanwhile, they called themselves adequate. It's all clear who is against your opinion. that and inadequate or Bandera or State Department.
          1. -4
            26 July 2021 18: 49
            Quote: Gardamir
            that is, you are for the site. without Marxists and communists, but for some reason about the liberals. democrats and bourgeoisie kept silent

            I am for a site WITHOUT IDEOLOGY !!!
            It's all clear who is against your opinion. that and inadequate or Bandera or State Department.

            I repeat, I don’t hang up labels.
            He said on the topic, it doesn't matter to me which God you pray to !!!
            Again, the post was translated into ideology.
            You probably "true party members" in bed with a woman will not go to bed until you find out she supports Marxism whether she is ready to build capital .. communism laughing
            Well, why are you poking your rotten ideology everywhere in a row ?????
            Or dkmaete without Marx's utopia not one plane will take off?
            Specifically, the article is what ???
            1. 0
              26 July 2021 20: 07
              laughing
              I am for a site WITHOUT IDEOLOGY !!!
              and then Sergei suffered
              You probably "true party members" in bed with a woman will not go to bed until you find out she supports Marxism whether she is ready to build capital .. communism
              Well, why are you poking your rotten ideology everywhere in a row ?????
              Or dkmaete without Marx's utopia not one plane will take off?

              Specifically, according to the article, you have firmly indicated that there is no place for the communists to find. You are against concepts such as Honor and Justice. And the planes of the bourgeoisie do not fly. You sell oil, you buy foreign planes. This is civil aviation.
              Besides, your aggression just shows your "adequacy".
              1. -5
                26 July 2021 20: 16
                Quote: Gardamir
                Specifically, according to the article, you firmly indicated that there is no place for the communists to find

                Changeling. I'm talking about the fact that there is no place for ideology on the site.
                Well, how do you CONSTANTLY manage to turn everything upside down ?????
                I repeat PERSONALLY for you
                I AM FOR A SITE WITHOUT IDEOLOGY !!!!
                Tired of the lice division "ours and not ours"
                Let's discuss articles.
                Hide ALL your membership cards away
                1. 0
                  26 July 2021 20: 27
                  Changeling. I'm talking about the fact that there is no place for ideology on the site.
                  Well, how do you CONSTANTLY manage to turn everything upside down ?????
                  I repeat PERSONALLY for you
                  I AM FOR A SITE WITHOUT IDEOLOGY !!!!
                  Tired of the lice division "ours and not ours"
                  Let's discuss articles.
                  you said it now. And that's where they started
                  Well, step one. Delete comments with ideology.
                  The weapon does not recognize "Marxists, communists, enemies of communists", etc.
                  That is, you are against ideology if it is the ideology of socialism. But if the articles contain the ideology of democracy and capitalism, you will remain silent.
                  1. -2
                    26 July 2021 20: 30
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    That is, you are against ideology if it is the ideology of socialism.

                    ANY !!!!
                    But if the articles contain the ideology of democracy and capitalism, you will remain silent.

                    I will ignore
                  2. The comment was deleted.
                2. AUL
                  +2
                  27 July 2021 09: 57
                  Quote: Seryoga64
                  I AM FOR A SITE WITHOUT IDEOLOGY !!!!

                  People write on the site, and each of them has (to one degree or another) his own ideology. So, you are for a site without people?
                  Or do you propose to introduce censorship and the moderators to ruthlessly eradicate any comments where ideology is seen? So moderators are people too, and each has its own ideology ... If you have any other ways - share it, please!
              2. +5
                26 July 2021 21: 32
                hi I read the entire thread. You can remember how the ideology was abolished in our country, the result was the ideology of a small% of the population of the super-rich and their henchmen-hangers-on. What is the result.
                It is interesting that the opponent of the ideology of addressing YOU does not know and is openly rude, suggests "liberal repressions" to be carried out. What is "adequate" for the echo and similar media
              3. -7
                27 July 2021 07: 05
                I never talked about communism, socialism, capitalism
                I never walked on the branches of the minuses to put everything in a row
                I am on the site to find out news about military equipment
                Your "Enemies of the Communists, I am ovosh. Are not needed
                Die in your dumb ideology. Bury your idol and do not call on the corpse to go and look
            2. +5
              26 July 2021 20: 58
              I support it when there are ideological slant comments in tech news articles, but what about the slings? Specifically - they used to live in paradise, and now in .... An article for the Chinese fleet two weeks ago - they did not discuss the fleet, but "they steal in Russia, that's why there is no such thing."
            3. +2
              27 July 2021 21: 24
              Quote: Seryoga64
              I am for a site WITHOUT IDEOLOGY !!!

              Without ideology, it will not be possible to discuss articles on history, on economic and social topics, and even, as strange as it may sound, about aircraft carriers ...
              And in general, we have prescribed a rejection of ideology in our constitution and nothing good, except bad, came of it.
              Why are you stepping on this rake? laughing
        2. 0
          27 July 2021 20: 03
          Pandora's box is already open
      3. +1
        27 July 2021 02: 09
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        It is possible to remove the goats, leaving the lambs. The question is how to properly separate one from the other? The Bible gives instructions very vaguely.

        You will remove me. what Well, in general, by this .... you will extinguish the headlights of the Tatra - Comrade General-Moderator knows better soldier Business then request
      4. 0
        27 July 2021 23: 06
        Easy. It is possible to remove the goats, leaving the lambs. The question is how to properly separate one from the other? The Bible gives instructions very vaguely. [I] [/ i]
        The question is, who will you write in, and who will you please?
    2. +5
      26 July 2021 12: 49
      I disagree. It will be boring. In general, adequate forum users come from Ukraine. Or what to do with the LPNR? By ip (provider) we are recognized as Ukraine. So again, to the beginning, everything is done manually - moderation.
      1. -6
        26 July 2021 12: 53
        Quote: URAL72
        It will be boring

        Will not. They are capable of getting out of themselves and provoking a ban on anyone.
        1. +8
          26 July 2021 13: 13
          Quote: Seryoga64
          Quote: URAL72
          It will be boring

          Will not. They are capable of getting out of themselves and provoking a ban on anyone.


          Note, for some reason I think the same way - although I am your complete opponent.
          and I consider myself adequate - and some of my opponents - just like you - banderlog!

          And in which direction to look?
          After all, everyone has their own truth!
          Are we like two rams?
          1. -3
            26 July 2021 13: 25
            Quote: SovAr238A
            And in which direction to look?

            Do not know. Everyone decides for himself. Any pressure, step into the abyss
        2. +5
          26 July 2021 14: 47
          Quote: Seryoga64
          Will not. They are capable of getting out of themselves and provoking a ban on anyone.

          I assure you that exasperation and provocation to ban, does not depend on nationality!
          Checked on myself. Certainly not the Ukrainians provoked me.
          1. -3
            26 July 2021 14: 57
            Quote: Black Lotos
            I assure you that exasperation and provocation to ban, does not depend on nationality!

            Yes, I know that very well
            It is all the more frightening that the "Russians" seem to be sticking a knife in the back
      2. +10
        26 July 2021 13: 02
        Quote: URAL72
        By ip (provider) we are recognized as Ukraine.


        For this reason, we also removed the flags altogether. Because they began to beat some of them precisely by the flag, and not by the passport.
        1. +4
          26 July 2021 16: 24
          As for the cleaning of the flags, this is absolutely the right decision of the editors. For people differ from the same bulls and wolves in that they can and should think, should read the text and respond to it, not a rag !. smile

          It would be nice if they also introduced an indicator of that who и How votes - VERY much would have become clear. As they say, xy from xy. smile

          August 23 marks the year of my three warnings (including a whole warning for the terrible word "zmagars"). I ask you NOT to forget and apply for withdrawal in advance (what if another case does not turn up?)! Yes
          1. 0
            26 July 2021 17: 38
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            As for the cleaning of the flags, this is absolutely the right decision of the editors.

            Well, how can I say, many here are chasing the Russians, patriots ... And then bang in the back and they start to get ridiculous and you won't understand why ...
            By the way, in the State Duma, they offered to return the "fifth column" in the passport again ..! Otherwise you won't understand who and what
            1. +1
              26 July 2021 17: 51
              [
              Quote: Utes
              Well, how can I say, many here are chasing the Russians, patriots ... And then bang in the back and they start to get ridiculous and you won't understand why ...
              By the way, in the State Duma, they offered to return the "fifth column" in the passport again ..! Otherwise you won't understand who and what

              As for the column in the passport - I think it is correct and necessary, because Russia is a multinational country.
              But the flags on VO are for the last fools. Are you so naive that you determine the value and qualities of a person by flags / clothes? I don't know you well, but you seemed smarter to me ...laughing laughing laughing
              1. -2
                26 July 2021 18: 00
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                As for the column in the passport - I think it is correct and necessary, because Russia is a multinational country.

                Well, here you agree with me .. Let's go further!
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                But the flags on VO are for the last fools. Are you so naive that you determine the value and qualities of a person by flags / clothes? I don't know you well, but you seemed smarter to me ..

                Well, there is no need to offend (I also thought that you are smarter and are not afraid of anything and even your flag)))) .. Forum is the same multinational community and why is someone so afraid of the flag of their belonging to any country? Here you are, Vladimir, from which country, just honestly? And why are you afraid of your flag?
                You are not from Russia, as far as I know?
                1. -2
                  26 July 2021 18: 08
                  Quote: Utes
                  Well, no need to offend .. The forum is the same multinational community and why is someone so afraid of the flag of their belonging to any country? Here you are, Vladimir, from which country, just honestly? And why are you afraid of your flag?

                  Do not invent something that does not exist and do not try to provoke me. I did not offend you, but expressed honestly and frankly my opinion about Voshnye flags and about you. Flag host countries I'm not afraid. Attentive и clever people have long known who I am and where I am from. You can also find out if you think of reading my articles. All the best! lol
                  1. -3
                    26 July 2021 18: 23
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    Do not invent something that does not exist and do not try to provoke me. I did not offend you, but expressed honestly and frankly my opinion about Voshnye flags and about you

                    Look how you began to dodge .. well, well, I remember you spoke well of me recently .. Here and trust such. negative

                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    You can also find out if you think of reading my articles. All the best!

                    Find out one thing, but when I asked you a direct question, you so cleverly avoided answering .. Well, what country are you from? Why are you afraid to answer?
                    You seem to be already in serious years and the fear is ...
              2. -5
                26 July 2021 20: 18
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                I don't know you well, but you seemed smarter to me ...laughing laughing laughing

                How is he to you seemed smarter if You don't know Him well?
                Even at the "teachers' council" you manage to provoke and troll ...
      3. -1
        27 July 2021 12: 33
        Quote: URAL72
        I disagree. It will be boring. In general, adequate forum users come from Ukraine. Or what to do with the LPNR? By ip (provider) we are recognized as Ukraine. So again, to the beginning, everything is done manually - moderation.

        That's it! Let them come from Ukraine --- different people. Then, it turns out that someone will leave having quarreled, and someone will remain. And that will be a plus for everyone. After all, the country has already experienced division and destruction 30 years ago.
  14. +11
    26 July 2021 11: 47
    Good article, I like to read historical articles by Roman Skomorokhov, but I just don’t read analytics - I don’t come in. Again, the author has a large number of fans and write an opinion different from the one written in the article, as they say to themselves more.
    And according to the situation on the site, yes, objective comments are less and less common, and many staff members almost do not comment. And their comments were sometimes more informative than the article itself.
    I hope that everything can still come back, I want to believe in it.
    1. +3
      26 July 2021 12: 12
      Quote: jonht
      the author has a large number of fans and write a different opinion from the one written in the article, as they say to themselves more dear.


      Didn't you confuse me with anyone? What about an army of fans?
      1. +12
        26 July 2021 12: 37
        No, Roman, I don’t know how my father is, I’m not confused. All articles about Soviet or Russian reality, you can open any and see how those who express a different opinion are minus. I sometimes read them, but I will not comment, I have already tried the arguments given and personal life situations on opponents. In the best case, they simply minus, otherwise they will call the Kremlin a bot or a `` Putee ''. hi
      2. -4
        26 July 2021 18: 30
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Quote: jonht
        the author has a large number of fans and write a different opinion from the one written in the article, as they say to themselves more dear.


        Didn't you confuse me with anyone? What about an army of fans?

        He "licked" you Roman, there are such laughing ..In general, you write well, for a certain group of members of the forum, of whom there are not so many, and thank God.
        Look what a discussion has unfolded and that's good! Maybe the truth will be born in such debates and clashes .. Respectfully (albeit gritting teeth) hi
  15. +10
    26 July 2021 11: 51
    Dear Roman, I personally registered on the site not so long ago, although I have been reading it with pleasure for several years. I will allow myself to express my point of view: an Internet resource with the ability to comment was created precisely so that people could express their opinions, thoughts, ideas. And their opinion does not have to coincide with yours at all! And yes, someone can say stupidity from your point of view, but for someone your opinion is complete nonsense! Reading to the end the texts of some authors is not just difficult, and sometimes impossible! You need to have talent to stretch the semantic load of two lines over several pages, wrapping it all up in indigestible terms and abbreviations. Your opuses about the sick and the healthy, admirers of "great Russia", etc. generally smell bad. Is it you who will now determine who is sick and who is not? Who is entitled to their opinion and whose opinion is wrong? Let me tell you a secret, but the site grows and develops exactly when Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, Americans, whites and blacks, fans of "Great Russia" and fans of "America is our FSE" can express their opinions on it. Good luck, Roman! And don't worry about cons and comments.
    1. +13
      26 July 2021 12: 18
      Thanks. Because of the downsides, I’m the last one to worry, I guess.
      Your opinion is understandable and quite logical, but if in the first part I almost agree with you, the only exception, perhaps, will be

      Quote: Marachuh
      Your opuses about the sick and the healthy, admirers of "great Russia", etc. generally smell bad.


      In fact, no, you just do not understand who we are talking about. Everyone has their own understanding of this term, and my "Great Russia" is very different, for example, from Meehan's "Great Russia". But I do not impose my opinion on anyone, I propose to think about it. I, too, may be wrong, but I need to explain this in normal terms.

      Quote: Marachuh
      The site grows and develops precisely when Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, Americans, whites and blacks, fans of "Great Russia" and fans of "America is our FSE" can express their opinions on it.


      Yes, but the problem is that when one majority starts to shut the mouth of everyone else, this is not development, it is degradation. Like the EP in the Duma.
      1. +7
        26 July 2021 13: 42
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Thanks. Because of the downsides, I’m the last one to worry, I guess.

        Roman, no need to dissemble. There is no such person who would "do not care" about the assessment of his works. You will not argue that the presentation of thoughts in the correct set of words and sentences is work? In any case, I have not met such people alive, as well as those who do not know the size of their salaries.
        laughing
        1. 0
          26 July 2021 15: 27
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Roman, no need to dissemble. There is no such person who would "do not care" about the assessment of his works.


          Oh, in no way I'm dissembling. The whole question is WHO will evaluate. You mix employers 'assessment of my performance and readers' comments. Employers believe that I am efficient, otherwise I would not be here anymore. And the readers ... Here is something completely different.

          Quote: ROSS 42
          You will not argue that the presentation of thoughts in the correct set of words and sentences is work?


          I won't. It would be silly.

          But you misunderstood me a little. I am not at all worried about the virtual epaulettes and the virtual rating. Precisely because I added 2 + 2 and I know the result.
          1. +7
            26 July 2021 17: 41
            "Employers believe that I am effective, otherwise I would not be here anymore. And the readers ... Here is completely different." For you personally, Roman, I will not forgive a series of articles about Crimea! The topic of VO was not even close there. I apologize for the tin in my comments, and to the readers too. Crimea for us Crimeans is personal ... Or was it by order?
        2. +2
          27 July 2021 09: 40
          Quote: ROSS 42
          as well as those who do not know the size of their salaries.


          oh well, our President Putin somehow answered the question about his salary on the air - but I don’t know, something comes on the map, so you should know one thing))
      2. +4
        26 July 2021 20: 38
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Yes, but the problem is that when one majority starts to shut the mouth of everyone else, this is not development, it is degradation. Like the EP in the Duma.

        United Russia was registered by the Ministry of Justice in 2002 as a political party, tell the trusting and kind members of the forum which parties constituted the majority in the State Duma before 2002, otherwise everyone might think that in the "dashing 90s" the United Russia was also in power?
        You, as a moderator, do not have the right to be politically engaged, otherwise, having said your opinion about the EP, you immediately opposed yourself and your supporters (who do not like the EP) to VO, against members of the forum with other political views ...
        1. +2
          27 July 2021 10: 50
          Quote: Lara Croft
          tell gullible and kind members of the forum which parties were the majority in the State Duma before 2002, otherwise everyone might think that in the "dashing 90s" the EP was also in power

          Judging by the fact that the times of the USSR have already been declared an era of continuous nishtyaks and general prosperity, one should expect soon that the same 90s will soon be declared saints. And Kasyanov with Kasparov and Khodorkovsky - the apostles of the Church of Freedom, Equality and Brotherhood ...
          1. +2
            27 July 2021 11: 18
            Ohhtie! Well hello, waterfloor. This is necessary, as Roman excited everyone! Yes, okay, you walk on the deck, with your head held high, and the IS-3, opposite the DOP in Arkhangelsk. Or were they written off and thrown out on a pension?
            1. +1
              27 July 2021 11: 26
              Hi Vladimir!
              We are still surfing the oceans at the Bolshoi Theater!
              wassat
              I hope you have not forgotten which side of the cat to put on the legs ...
              laughing
              1. +1
                27 July 2021 12: 18
                I've already grown mine and turned into a lick
                Joke of humor
                I am a pensioner, I do carpentry, refrigerators, washers, two barbecues the other day I cooked from a troika. Since that.
  16. +12
    26 July 2021 11: 56
    I have been reading the site for a long time. I rarely write in the comments. It's hard to disagree with the author. If earlier in them people really discussed what was written, and sometimes supplemented, then today ... Fortunately, they still have stripped, where commentators are not thrown around by various indecent judiciary.
  17. +5
    26 July 2021 11: 59
    I read it with great pleasure and largely agree. Unfortunately, there is more and more euphoria, and they are not particularly ready to delve into details and absurdities. And in general it is easier to say that we have them all to the nail. But in case of danger, paid professionals will save us! And their personal participation in saving the Fatherland is not very visible. To do this, you need to tear off the fifth point from the sofa and act (at least mentally and physically prepare for the test).
  18. +18
    26 July 2021 12: 03
    In principle, the author is right in many ways.
    I will not evaluate the content of the articles, although some are puzzling. In the end, here you can apply Okudzhava's formula:
    "Everyone writes what he hears
    Everyone hears him breathing
    As he breathes, he writes
    Not trying to please ... ".
    But in the comments, we urgently need to put things in order. After all, we have already reached the level of "Enemies of the people" and "Shoot like mad dogs!" It would be necessary to reassure these "patriots" a little, otherwise it is disgusting to read some of the comments.
    1. +10
      26 July 2021 12: 21
      Quote: Bez 310
      But in the comments, we urgently need to put things in order. After all, we have already reached the level of "Enemies of the people" and "Shoot like mad dogs!" It would be necessary to reassure these "patriots" a little, otherwise it is disgusting to read some of the comments.


      We are working on it. To put things in order in the comments is, first of all, to put things in order in the heads. The devastation according to Preobrazhensky does not begin in the closets, does it? But mass shootings and mass bans are not what we are striving for. Therefore, we first think, then we do.
      1. +5
        26 July 2021 20: 30
        The novel agrees with what you wrote in the article. But don't you think that you yourself sometimes went too far with warnings? so in one of the topics about the S-400, when I dared to disagree with the uryakalki about its effectiveness, I was so pecked. and you got the most from you, they didn't let me express my thoughts
  19. +9
    26 July 2021 12: 07
    Yes ... it became boring for me on VO ... but this is for me ... I may be wrong! (As they say, someone loves pork cartilage; and someone loves Krakow sausage!) ... But something has drawn me recently to provocations ... maybe a transitional age? On the Internet you can find a number of interesting "multidisciplinary" sites that "work" and on a military "profile"! I mean: "Pikabu", "YaPlakal" and others ... (At the moment I do not remember "by heart", but I have them written down ...) Very interesting sites (!) ... I have often thought to go there, but decided not to spoil good sites with my presence yet! As for VO ... something began to be missed on this undoubtedly popular site! Well ... let's try to figure it out!
    1. -1
      26 July 2021 12: 31
      YAP - POWER !!!
      Sincerely
      1. +3
        26 July 2021 13: 16
        Quote: nobody75
        YAP - POWER !!!
        Sincerely

        Hard 45-Fridays started roll call?
        :)
        1. -3
          26 July 2021 13: 32
          Join !!!
          Sincerely
        2. +1
          26 July 2021 14: 49
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Solid 45-Fridays started roll call

          here at VO -45 mm they perceive it a little differently. And cats.
          1. 0
            27 July 2021 10: 06
            53 and M-42, double salary, triple death
  20. +13
    26 July 2021 12: 08
    Guys ... thanks for the site soldier drinks
    1. +4
      26 July 2021 17: 33
      Quote: SaLaR
      Guys ... thanks for the site soldier drinks

      I have been joining for 9 years here, almost every day ..! I got used to him specifically, although they are squeezing out .. hi
  21. +7
    26 July 2021 12: 09
    In many ways I agree, but you, Roman, will agree that the quality of some articles, to put it mildly, does not stand up to criticism in terms of the truthful presentation of information.
    Probably for the sake of the current conjuncture, some patriotic authors (especially when creatively reworking articles from other publications) take phrases out of context, thereby distorting the original meaning.
    Maybe he was confused, but truthfully hi
    1. +7
      26 July 2021 12: 24
      Quote: Wahmister 1970
      the quality of some articles, how to put it mildly, does not stand up to criticism in terms of truthful presentation of information.


      I understand you, but I'll clarify just in case. If you are talking about the "Opinions" section, then 8 out of 10 articles there are works of readers who want to convey something to everyone. We have been practicing this for a long time, sometimes very interesting people appear who can write interestingly.
      1. +7
        26 July 2021 13: 05
        Not only in the "Opinion" heading, but also in the "News".
        About "nuggets", I agree completely, from the latter I read with great pleasure an article about a "traitor cat". laughing
        And another small wish, do not publish anonymous articles - "the country should know its heroes." laughing
        1. 0
          27 July 2021 22: 51
          Quote: Wahmister 1970
          And another small wish, do not publish anonymous articles - "the country should know its heroes."

          Still, this mechanism would work ...

          How to see who mins and plus for comments

          Move the cursor to the number of the comment rating
          Click on the number, a list of people who will vote will appear.

          Source: https://topwar.ru/faq.html#Comm
  22. +13
    26 July 2021 12: 10
    Dear editors! The responsibility for what kind of community is formed around the Military Review now and what it will be in the future rests only with you. Here either - quantity, or - quality. Leave only the heading "Armament" and that bacchanalia that will disappear here from 2015-2016 in a couple of months. As well as the ability to make profit from the site.
    1. +6
      26 July 2021 12: 28
      Well, peculiar. It is clear that we are fully responsible for what is happening on the site. But leave only the heading "Armament" (I just do not mind smile ) - and the site is unlikely to be so attractive. As for the profit ... I don't know why some people are against paying us money for advertising. No matter how we have a page in "classmates", on which you can post something once a day.
      1. +20
        26 July 2021 12: 51
        Today the author, in the understanding of a certain number of readers, is an element of entertainment for the latter. Therefore, you can not stand on ceremony. Anonymous, since you still need to look for such minimum requirements as on our website in terms of registration.
        "Dear" Roma! You managed to find me and send a very interesting message. I hope you remember him (Seryozha, close your bread pan, you don’t know who you contacted, you’ll regret it). You sent it to me on my electronic signature. Roman, I beg you, study the experience of the Australian aborigines in terms of the production of boomerangs ... This is not a word that you will not catch. Be polite to opponents and luck (fees) will reach out to you. I wish you health and success in your field!
        1. -10
          26 July 2021 13: 10
          Quote: Sergey269
          Today the author, in the understanding of a certain number of readers, is an element of entertainment for the latter. Therefore, you can not stand on ceremony.


          Many people think so. Wrong.

          Quote: Sergey269
          "Dear" Roma! You managed to find me and send a very interesting message. I hope you remember him (Seryozha, close your bread pan, you don’t know who you contacted, you’ll regret it). You sent it to me on my electronic signature.


          I’m there, in the text, if you didn’t bother to read, I said about it in detail. Of course, I don’t remember and I’m not going to remember those to whom I was rude in a personal or by e-mail. The fact that you are posting part of our correspondence here is only proof that I was right in including you in the squad of those who can be rude.
          1. +14
            26 July 2021 13: 46
            Dear author, this is your "can be rude" is not serious.
            1. +1
              26 July 2021 20: 52
              Quote: WertGan
              Dear author, this is your "can be rude" is not serious.

              The prosecutor's office will figure it out ... laughing
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          3. 0
            27 July 2021 23: 04
            Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
            I’m there, in the text, if you didn’t bother to read, I said about it in detail.

            Expand here, too, please, so that the readers know what kind of scoundrel this [damned] Sergey269 is! We will not tolerate double standards, comrades! am
      2. +2
        26 July 2021 13: 01
        Roman, I will not discuss whether paid advertising is good or bad. If only because my message was not about that. By no means am I urging you to be altruistic. I just want to say that complaints from the administration about the quality of comments, the adequacy of commentators, etc. will sound sly when the site is targeting mass appeal. The recipe has been offered to you, and the fact that the administration will not follow it is quite understandable if you put yourself in the place of this very administration.
        1. 0
          26 July 2021 13: 12
          Here you are wrong. A vicious circle is being drawn, but you missed one thing: the administration does not pull anyone by the hand and does not ask for comment. And it certainly does not provoke rudeness towards readers. You either expand your opinion more clearly, or I don't know what, but it looks incomprehensible. It turns out that we reduce the quality of materials in order to attract as many lumpen as possible. This is not the case.
          1. +7
            26 July 2021 13: 46
            Here you are wrong.

            Roman, and not right about what? And then I see in my message, at a cursory glance, as many as 4 theses.
            you missed one thing: the administration does not pull anyone by the hand and does not ask for comment. And it certainly does not provoke rudeness towards readers.

            And this should not have been missed? For some reason, I think that the site's content policy and the commentator's policy are somewhat different things. And why mention the second when talking about the first.
            It turns out that we reduce the quality of materials in order to attract as many lumpen as possible. This is not the case.

            Manipulative phrase. The fact that you do not have a goal to attract more, as you said, lumpen - no one doubts. This does not in any way conflict with the fact that you have a goal to attract a larger audience in general. And then the mathematical inevitability comes into force in the person of the law of normal distribution.
      3. 0
        28 July 2021 18: 52
        I don't know why some people are against paying us money for advertising.

        Oh, excuse me, can I interrupt? Some time ago, the site allowed paid accounts without ads. I paid and was happy like a child. Then it turned out that this opportunity was closed without notice. Sorry, but adblock is doing this job now, and I wanted to keep paying you.
    2. +2
      26 July 2021 12: 32
      Timur, you can't go far with naked enthusiasm ... I have repeatedly tried to help VO with articles and I will honestly say: picking up good material, presenting it competently and observing originality is not an easy task and time, time ...
      Modern network media, as you know, is highly dependent on the number of views. hi
      1. +4
        26 July 2021 12: 40
        Mikhail, you have the same misconception about my comment as Roman. I am not claiming that the guys receive money for advertising.
        1. +10
          26 July 2021 13: 17
          I just want to say that complaints from the administration about the quality of comments, the adequacy of commentators, etc. will sound sly
          Timur, the VO team is forced to find a middle ground between quantity and quality. And it is very good that Roman, as one of the authors and moderators (! - very important!) Of the site, shares his impressions about ten years devoted to VO.
          From time to time I stop leaving comments on VO. Do you know why? After a certain amount of comments, "the abyss begins to look at me" and I really start to "lose banks." Such deformation of the "Virtual-I" will necessarily end with the deformation of the "Real-I" ...

          But for a long time without a VO, it also does not work. Where, where else can I communicate with people from different parts of our country (and not only), different age categories and, often, very different views on life? Ho-ho, yes in real life - such communication will end either with domestic violence, but most likely - delirium in all its glory fellow
          1. +3
            26 July 2021 13: 51
            Do you know why? After a certain amount of comments, "the abyss begins to look at me" and I really start to "lose banks." Such deformation of the "Virtual-I" will necessarily end with the deformation of the "Real-I" ...

            I understand what you mean. I also went through this. But not because of fears for their karma, but simply disappointment came.
            1. 0
              31 July 2021 15: 32
              .. I no longer write comments, just browse ..
  23. BAI
    +11
    26 July 2021 12: 18
    A third of the comments on each article are about nothing. 2 "old men" come in and start :: "How many years, how many winters", "How hemorrhoids, like liver"?
    Or - an article about technology, and women are drawn in the comments (for objectivity - once he himself was a sinner, but there they asked themselves in the comments) and a discussion of pornography, not articles, begins.
    1. 0
      27 July 2021 18: 46
      Yes, sometimes just to chat
      Or are you interested in the details of the assembly-disassembly of V-2, YaMZ-236,238,240, SMD-14 and D-37, 144 and 240?
    2. Msi
      0
      31 March 2024 21: 14
      2 “old men” come in and it begins: ““How many years, how many winters”, “How are hemorrhoids, how is the liver”?

      laughing good
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    1. +1
      26 July 2021 12: 29
      Quote from rudolf
      By the way, how many warnings should there be? Are they lifelong?


      No, they are removed in a year. The program missed you somehow, now it will be manually removed.
      1. BAI
        +12
        26 July 2021 12: 49
        No, they are filming in a year. The program missed you somehow

        Nothing like this. I am over 18 and 19 years old. This is the system.
        1. +1
          26 July 2021 13: 21
          They will also take it off for you. Yes, the system is not working well. But on the other hand, it is logical that you could take care of clearing the warnings yourself, right? Unlike the system that removes the camera automatically, the "Feedback" functionality works perfectly. They took it and wrote it there. Everything gets on the table to the admins, who can just remove the warnings. It is not difficult, not shameful, not insulting. You have written almost 9 thousand comments, so you could send one message for the sake of your cleansing. Or do you think the administration should do this too?
          1. BAI
            +7
            26 July 2021 14: 19
            They took it off. Thanks.
            Good. that raised the topic:
            the "Feedback" functionality works fine

            I applied. Does not work.
        2. +8
          26 July 2021 14: 29
          Quote: BAI
          No, they are filming in a year. The program missed you somehow

          Nothing like this. I am over 18 and 19 years old. This is the system.

          I checked it myself. Really per year I managed to earn 9 warnings. what
          1. +1
            27 July 2021 08: 24
            You, Oleg, need to be included in some kind of exclusive on the site. So much information, just lovely
      2. +7
        26 July 2021 13: 21
        I also have warnings for 2019. Apparently, there are some glitches with automatic clearing of warnings.
      3. +5
        26 July 2021 13: 22
        I have two warnings for the spring of 2020. They have not removed it.
        1. +2
          26 July 2021 14: 45
          I also have a warning with the number one for 2019, although I'm already used to it.
          1. +4
            26 July 2021 22: 33
            Quote: Hiking
            I also have a warning with the number one for 2019, although I'm already used to it.

            Hello. At the same time, remove from me the unremoved, after the expiration of the term, the feel
      4. +5
        26 July 2021 14: 20
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov


        No, they are removed in a year. The program missed you somehow, now it will be manually removed.

        I was also "missed by the program" and more than once. But I am not in the claim. Especially if the warning is for business. But there is something else ...
        As for the site ... The site is good, but one thing is depressing - more and more articles appear not on the topic of the site. For example, how can one study the history of the development of edged weapons from the paintings of artists? The artist's painting is not a photograph, the author of the canvas has the right to his own vision of this "weapon". Or articles about children's toys. Why are they on VO? I do not impose my opinion, I just express my bewilderment.
      5. -1
        26 July 2021 19: 19
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        No, they are removed in a year. The program missed you somehow, now it will be manually removed.

        did not know such a rule ...

        I have been hanging since 2019 and since the beginning of 2020.

        In general, in the history of our country, as far as I remember, were very popular amnesties on the occasion of anniversaries ... recourse what
      6. +1
        26 July 2021 20: 59
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        No, they are filming in a year.

        This is true and it disciplines, in the second year I became more polite to evil members of the forum ...
      7. +1
        27 July 2021 09: 51
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        No, they are removed in a year. The program missed you somehow, now it will be manually removed.


        good afternoon and I have been hanging for more than a year ((, can you manually remove the same?
      8. AUL
        +1
        27 July 2021 10: 25
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        No, they are filming in a year.

        A couple of mustard plasters have been hanging on me for three years. Is the program also to blame?
    2. +5
      26 July 2021 13: 44
      Cons - a handy censorship tool. An undesirable point of view can always be minus and marginalized.
    3. +8
      26 July 2021 15: 52
      Quote from rudolf
      There was a relatively calm period when the cons were canceled. Why the cons were returned, I do not know. You don't always have to go with the militant majority

      Everything in this world is "comparatively relative"! And in the minuses you can find a lot! A simple example: Comment score = 2 ... It turns out that the comment practically did not attract attention ... as if it turned out to be practically not interesting to anyone! Close to 0! But then they introduced the display of minuses ... and it turns out that -100 "voted for"; and against -98! 198 people drew attention to your comment ... did not remain indifferent! Do you feel the difference? 2 and 198! That is why I advocated the introduction of the display of the count, both pluses and minuses! Namely, these "pluses" and "minuses" ... their number clearly show the "mood", the "atmosphere" of the site ... allows you to somehow (maybe sometimes subjectively ...) evaluate the "quality" ",, audience"! And decide ... you stay with this site or leave! ! But nothing is perfect in this world! (As the Fox said, having learned that there are no hunters on the planet, but there are no chickens! attention and feel like okyushki! Moreover, sometimes I deliberately post "provocative" comments, knowing that there will be minuses! Therefore, I think that minuses are still needed!
  25. +4
    26 July 2021 12: 28
    In my opinion, the drop in the level of comments is due to an increase in the politicization of the subject matter of published articles. And this is an inevitable and natural result. Voennoye Obozreniye became, as it were, a branch of Political Review, and a certain balance with the predominance of military topics was violated. In addition to the usual regulars of the site, commentators from the corresponding divisions of the IDF and the information services of Israel, the Security Council of Ukraine, who also contribute to the negative background of comments, are firmly entrenched here. A certain Shpakovsky has also become an odious figure, who publishes clearly provocative materials not related to military topics.
    1. 0
      26 July 2021 13: 40
      Quote: Silhouette
      associated with an increase in the politicization of the subject matter of published articles.

      And our life is becoming politicized by the hour. The tightening of the screws and the limitation of freedoms by lawlessness cannot but cause tension among the masses. request
    2. +7
      26 July 2021 13: 48
      Dear, do not touch Shpakovsky !!! He is the clearest example of human mimicry, from a communist_agitator to who he is now positioning himself to be!))
      1. +1
        26 July 2021 14: 53
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        Dear, do not touch Shpakovsky !!! He is the clearest example of human mimicry, from a communist_agitator to who he is now positioning himself to be!))

        Yes, Shpakovsky is a "lump", on the one hand there are good articles on ancient history, on the other ...
      2. Msi
        0
        31 March 2024 21: 18
        Dear, do not touch Shpakovsky !!! He is the clearest example of human mimicry, from a communist_agitator to who he is now positioning himself to be!))

        good
    3. 0
      26 July 2021 14: 35
      To be honest, I don't remember Shpakovsky writing provocative materials.
      1. +6
        26 July 2021 16: 17
        And what do his pseudo-historical articles about liberalism and Soviet agitprop have to do with military topics?
        1. 0
          26 July 2021 16: 36
          As written above, the site is balancing ........)))
  26. +6
    26 July 2021 12: 31
    With pleasure I only read the "History" section for dessert!
  27. +3
    26 July 2021 12: 39
    You are 100% right in your article, and if you can not do with literacy, then with hanging labels, insulting other peoples, then the moderators need to apply the rules of the site and not so that a Russian can not be with him, but others cannot. And believe me, if the rules apply to everyone, be it a patriot, a liberal, an agent of other countries, a Zionist or a resident of Ukraine, then the site will clear itself. Otherwise, it turns out that you can go to the ban only by complaining about a patriot who throws insults on the right and left, especially if you are not a Russian. Maybe then commentators from other countries will appear.
    1. +1
      26 July 2021 13: 24
      Quote: Shiden
      if the rules apply to everyone, be it a patriot, a liberal, an agent of other countries, a Zionist or a resident of Ukraine, then the site will clear itself. And it turns out that you can go to the ban only by complaining about a patriot who pours insults on the right and left, especially if you are not a Russian.


      You are not right. We have 10-15 Russians for one banned reader from Israel. For example. But there are certain things that readers from other countries are not that unacceptable, but simply illogical. For example, teaching how to do the right thing. And for complaints about "patriots" who are pouring insults in our country, no one will send them to the ban, do not come up with it.
      1. +4
        26 July 2021 14: 57
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        We have 10-15 Russians for one banned reader from Israel.

        we seem to have to count them on our fingers ...
        For me, the Professor is, in general, the same personification of the Military Review as the site itself.
        I can disagree with him, but without him (Atalef still) I can’t imagine the site.
        in total, there are more visitors from the Russian Federation than from Israel in multiples.
        And I don’t remember that our Israelis behaved like Meehan. Even I don't have that much endurance.
        1. +3
          26 July 2021 15: 31
          I absolutely agree with you
      2. +1
        26 July 2021 16: 39
        You are so sure I flew to the ban only for the fact that I wrote a complaint to the moderators for the comment of a patriot where he quoted the same comment several times. Yes, his comment was deleted, but since I am not a Russian, I was probably sent to the ban without explanation, as you put it, "I taught the Russian patriot."
  28. +6
    26 July 2021 12: 46
    Hmm, 10 years have passed not noticeably
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  30. +4
    26 July 2021 12: 52
    I remember ... I remember what battles were fought about Armata, I remember how I was waiting for the report of the Magician ... but what impresses me in the discussions on VO is when two people converge who "talk about the topic", when they start pouring professional terms showing knowledge of materiel. .. to paraphrase Vysotsky, "I'm peeing with delight ..."
    A good section with History, a number of authors directly pleases with well-developed topics ...
    It's a pity ... the forum was demolished. So it was necessary to turn to the opinion of specialists, get a number of consultations, but ... oops ... they closed it. The administration probably knows better, but as for me, he could still live, albeit with new rules.
    Otherwise, VO is one of those few resources that attracts my attention almost daily. Thanks for that. hi
    1. +1
      26 July 2021 13: 27
      Quote: Canecat
      It's a pity ... the forum was demolished


      You know, not in vain. It somehow turned into such a garbage can that it's not at all a pity. It just so happened that our programmers and administrators decided to integrate the forum into the site, and even with some kind of social network in addition, so that you can fully communicate. But now ... while the work is underway, but the deadlines, as is customary in our country, are shifting not only to the right ...
      1. +1
        26 July 2021 14: 26
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        our programmers and administrators decided to integrate the forum into the site, and even with some kind of social network to boot

        But this is already really interesting ... at least to look at. )
    2. +3
      26 July 2021 14: 41
      ... but what impresses me in discussions on VO is when two people converge, who "talk about the topic", when they start pouring professional terms showing knowledge of the materiel ... paraphrasing Vysotsky, "I am pissing with delight ..."

      Hello.
      hi
      Yes, right to the point.
      I remembered how the Ancient One began the comment, he was picked up by the SSI. Then AVP518 approached the afterburner ...
      And the dog rushed knowing.))
      Solid pro comments are a Song ...
      good
  31. +13
    26 July 2021 12: 53
    Yes, Roman - I agree with you. As a German, I often think: the Russian people are no different from us. But believe me, your and our comments reflect the political and moral development in all countries of the developed world. Ignorance is spreading. Everywhere. This is development. There's nothing you can do about it. Superficial knowledge of the majority of society. The result of the Western way of learning. Das ist gewollt !! And many thanks to you, dear Roman, for your article. Very courageous !! Greetings from Germany.
    1. +3
      26 July 2021 13: 28
      Bernhard, dear, if you could imagine how pleasant it is to read you ... Thank you!
  32. +3
    26 July 2021 12: 55
    Unfortunately, VOs face the same problems as many mainstream media outlets. They are inevitably used for propaganda purposes (no matter from which side), deliberate head-ons and all kinds of provocations. Accordingly, it is useful information that is blurred in this hysteria.
    Censorship for mate and the transition to personalities is certainly good, but the censorship mechanism seems to make sense to expand in the context of thematic correspondence. Of course, this would require more resources. Nevertheless, apparently it will not work in another way. It's my personal opinion.
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  34. +6
    26 July 2021 12: 57
    10 years ...
    This is a whole layer of life lived.

    Ten years is SERIOUS.
    Congratulations, Roman!
    Happy anniversary!!!
    hi

    It is supposed, in such cases, to give wishes and parting words ...
    Well, if "ready for battle and the supercharger is on", then:
    - FORWARD!!!
    - TURNOVER !!!
    drinks

    1. +3
      26 July 2021 13: 43
      Quote: Aleks tv
      10 years ...
      This is a whole layer of life lived.

      Only you, Alexey, have begun to rarely write your own interesting and professional comments. wink
      1. +4
        26 July 2021 14: 46
        ... Alexey, began to write rarely

        Ingvar, that here, in addition to comments - articles and stories of unfinished pack ...
        Here the right hand will begin to obey, wow, then we will rush into battle with the keyboard for an advantage ...))
        laughing
        1. +2
          26 July 2021 15: 42
          Quote: Aleks tv
          The right hand will begin to obey

          Trauma, or ......? belay
          1. +9
            26 July 2021 16: 02
            ... Trauma, or ......?

            That organism suddenly remembered that it had "damned Vietnam" and whined.
            Then he went through the list of the directory of diseases and he liked the word stroke. "
            Well, this organism behaves like a professional student from the Smolny Institute.
            I completely lost my fear and forgot the Charter.
            The organs of the body must act as a coherent unit.
            It seems to have realized ...))
            So far, the right hand has not yet become ideologically grounded.
            Nothing - outfits, lip and guards will make a person out of her.
            Yes
    2. +2
      27 July 2021 08: 30
      Again with the third? Have pity on the transmission laughing
      1. +1
        27 July 2021 12: 21
        Quote: perepilka
        Again with the third? Have pity on the transmission laughing

        Yeah, Volodya, let's get under way with the third ...))
        Sanya (Sparrow) "sketched" me from this - an emphasis on driving.
        How they put it is for life.
        feel
        Identity has not appeared on the site for a long time.
        Roofing felts festivals, roofing felts partisans,
        Radish, twice shell-shocked ...))
        1. +1
          27 July 2021 12: 28
          There is no zampotech on you!
  35. +8
    26 July 2021 13: 00
    Roman, thank you for the opinion article.
    On my own I would like to add that receiving serious and competent counterarguments for your comments, it becomes really pleasant. When you understand that you have made a mistake in something, you want to quickly admit it and continue communication. From an intelligent person and criticism is accepted with respect.
  36. +7
    26 July 2021 13: 00
    10 years ... hmm-ah ... The editors are grateful for the fact that:
    - managed to keep the site from rolling into a dull trash heap;
    - managed to detain some of the "old" authors and attract new ones;
    - managed to maintain a variety of materials;
    Although, before the grass was greener, etc. according to the text... you open the old main page and your eyes run wild - you don't know where to start. And now such days are less and less frequent ... request but still I like the site good
    1. +3
      26 July 2021 13: 38
      No, the site is already 11 years old. April 2010, if that. And for the opinion, thanks, indeed, there was a crisis, it was not easy, but we will continue to try.
  37. +4
    26 July 2021 13: 02
    Auto RU!
    Immeasurable respect!
  38. +3
    26 July 2021 13: 09
    In general, I hope that the site will grow wiser after all. And there will be many more readers who will write really worthwhile and smart comments.

    Will not grow wiser. If 10 years ago it was a warm meeting of specialists, now it is a site "for everyone". The higher the mass and attendance, the greater the mass of ordinary average readers and commentators, the lower the average level of the site contingent, relative to the level from which it all began. It's useless to fight this, it can only be moderated. Moerate hard, every day, removing outright rudeness, negativity and a bath of boors, trolls and frankly destructive personalities. Without this daily and painstaking work, the resource risks turning into an ordinary average statistical garbage can. And yes, do something with the minuses already. Everyone complains about "minus", but nobody complains about "plus". So remove the "cons" already, for example.
    Best regards,
    hi
    1. +2
      26 July 2021 13: 39
      Quote: CheeRock
      So remove the "cons" already, for example.


      So they cleaned up ... Year stood groaning, "return". Here, they returned.

      Quote: CheeRock
      Moeering hard, every day, removing outright rudeness, negativity and a bath of boors, trolls and openly destructive personalities.


      Listen, well, we do this every day, believe it or not, but every day the moderators work.
      1. 0
        26 July 2021 14: 47
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        So they cleaned up ... Year stood groaning, "return". Here, they returned.

        And as for me, the "skulls" with black shoulder straps would not be in the way, as in the old days, otherwise "very clever" appeared, there is nothing to besiege.
        1. 0
          26 July 2021 15: 42
          And we can cope without skulls. We see the whole picture a little differently than you do.
      2. +1
        26 July 2021 18: 34
        “Remove the minuses” is required by those who “willingly” take offense at them, but do not understand why they are needed and what benefit can be derived from them! I have already placed a comment on the "minuses" on this page, but as an answer to another "tovarischu" ... Now I will just add a copy ...
        And in the minuses you can find a lot! A simple example: Comment score = 2 ... It turns out that the comment practically did not attract attention ... as if it turned out to be practically uninteresting to anyone! Close to 0! But then they introduced the display of minuses ... and it turns out that -100 "voted for"; and against -98! 198 people drew attention to your comment ... did not remain indifferent! Do you feel the difference? 2 and 198! That is why I advocated the introduction of the display of the count, both pluses and minuses! Namely, these "pluses" and "minuses" ... their number clearly show the "mood", "atmosphere" of the site ... allows you to somehow (maybe sometimes subjectively ...) evaluate the "quality" ",, audience"! And decide ... you stay with this site or leave!
        1. +2
          27 July 2021 16: 15
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          And in the minuses you can find a lot!

          The idea is clear, but the minuses sometimes turn into a tool for organized harassment, IMHO. On the other hand, the pros gain the first comments in the feed, as a rule. Good and competent comments at the end of a 100-comment thread + very few people get there, the whole crop is collected by headliners, so to speak.
          1. +1
            27 July 2021 17: 20
            I have already noted that the stupid "minusers" on the site are "to the fig and more!" It remains in such cases to hope for the "wisdom of the moderators"! I am usually indifferent to the "cons" ... or, as they say, "violet"! But I have been on the site for a long time! I "passed everything"! Various "innovations" and innovations have been tested on me! I have, as they say, all ..... my back is scarred! I was already either a "colonel" or a "major general", when they were all demoted (downgraded) by 2-2 ranks in the VO ... I have not chased after "pluses" for a long time and do not cry from "minuses". .. and because of that I feel great on the site! Try and you show indifference to the "cons"! Maybe you will like it too! wink
            1. +2
              27 July 2021 17: 32
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Try and you show indifference to the "cons"! Maybe you will like it too! wink

              I am from the category of Chukchi readers, I am neither warm nor cold from the title laughing I just see that this is a real tool of struggle and it is actively used. In general, I would remove the titles or their linking to likes / dislikes. I would only leave the length of service so that the shoulder straps would not be crushed by "authority".
              1. 0
                27 July 2021 18: 04
                Yes "titles" what? We are not children to chase such "titles"! But "shoulder straps" just determine the "length of service" and the activity of "tovarisch" on the site: how many comments does it have, whether they are popular among the "audience" ... In short, the longer the "tovarisch" is on the site, the more his comments and "ratings", the higher the "rank" ... It can help, understand who you are dealing with ...
        2. 0
          27 July 2021 23: 29
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Remove the minuses "are required by those who" willingly "take offense at them, but do not understand why they are needed and what benefit can be derived from them!

          It is necessary to introduce two categories of negative assessment: "just minus" - do not like, "arctic fox minus" - disgust. I do not minus for a long time, tk. there is no such gradation.
  39. +9
    26 July 2021 13: 10
    Well, the bottom of the VO comments is still a long way off. So I once pressed the comment button on the tape.ru, so the hair on my head began to move. But I agree that nowadays there is more and more hatred towards "moderate" people in Runet from those who are repulsed with oppositely polar opinions. You must either be a hurray for a patriot, who is obliged to lift up any news to the skies, or shout even louder like everything is profane and your hands are out of * experience. The armies of those and those are growing by leaps and bounds. It reminds me of the thinking of a teenager, for whom the whole world is painted in black and white. But the majority should understand with age that everything in life is much more complicated ...
  40. +8
    26 July 2021 13: 15
    Quote: URAL72
    After all, we come here not only for information, but also for human communication. "

    Quite right! And then we get a warning for a flood. Yes? The fact that the VO is sliding lower and lower, I noticed it for 10 years. Moreover, the author of the article himself makes a contribution to this process. But worst of all, the skilled technicians are almost gone. Previously, comments were sometimes more interesting and carried more scientific content than an article. This is not the case today. They are not interested in dealing with punks. Avior said the rest.

    Sorry, but in your opinion, only narrow specialists, for example, in shipbuilding or tank building, should speak out on articles? Well, so be it, but most of the audience will get bored. Maybe I'm wrong.
    1. +1
      26 July 2021 21: 30
      Quote: Walking towards the light
      Sorry, but in your opinion, only narrow specialists, for example, in shipbuilding or tank building, should speak out on articles? Well, so be it, but most of the audience will get bored. Maybe I'm wrong.

      Good comment 5+
      That is why specialists survived, they were needed at the initial stage of the development of the site in order to attract attention, now we need a hype, scandalous popularity and a place for meeting evil members of the forum ... advertising does not distinguish between good and bad popularity ...
  41. +3
    26 July 2021 13: 16
    There is another way. A well-known Internet portal for similar topics. Where self-proclaimed "experts" and "historians" are published who do not understand what they are writing about. Any fair criticism in the comments is ostracized and severely moderated. The "experts" start hysterical from the fact that someone saw that the "king is naked", and they often rude readers in the comments with the complete connivance and support of the administration.
    But will VO attract readers as before, if it follows a similar path?

    Previously, the author and readers were interlocutors communicating on common and interesting topics.

    Yes. Moreover, the author in 99,99% of cases has the same sources of information as the reader, and the author and the reader have instant access to these sources on the network. Hyperinformation society. Therefore, the reader can point out the mistakes of the author, can discuss with him. The author and the reader are indeed interlocutors. The era when the author broadcast the gospel from the pulpit is irrevocably a thing of the past. What people who found that era in childhood and adolescence cannot understand in any way. A person often writes an article, presenting his role as a prophet and discoverer (this can be seen from the style of presentation) and does not seem to understand that Google or "people's memory" is available not only to him, but also to many millions of other people, including its readers ...

    The culture of communication and criticism of the author's work in the comments are two different questions. On the one hand, the desire to somehow improve the cultural level and quality of comments is understandable. On the other hand, with a high degree of probability, this will lead, even if guided by good intentions, to the model "the author is an expert and a guru, the reader should sing praises to the author or be silent"

    Let a hundred flowers bloom?
  42. +8
    26 July 2021 13: 24
    Roman, your feelings are understandable, but after all ... In order not to be disappointed, you must not be enchanted!
    If at first the site was created and visited by like-minded people (more or less) and specialists / experts (too), then with the growth of popularity and audience, it was broken by everyone who wanted and sympathized, the level of competence, and just literacy, fell. This is inevitable, there is nothing to be upset about.
    But the site's stay in the top 50, and even in such a topic (here, after all, not fans of Dani Milokhin or blogger Beal) is a factor. An important factor in a hybrid war against Russia, and more importantly, for Russia, and for a different Russia.
    That is, on the margins of the site there is a third world war, as well as a civil war (approximately three- or four-sided, in my opinion).
    And war, who knows, is a dirty and unappetizing sight up close, and virtual space is no exception.
    But getting out of it, like the Russian army in 1917, means simply abandoning the front in front of the enemy. The battle for brains will continue regardless of our wishes.
    So, Roman, hold on - everything is correct!
    1. +2
      26 July 2021 15: 43
      Thanks. In fact, all this was written solely for the sake of a certain part of the writers just thinking.
  43. +3
    26 July 2021 13: 28
    Until the very end of the article, there were doubts about the authorship. I decided, until I finish reading, I will not look and ... I did not guess.
    In many ways, you can agree with the author. "VO" has its own work experience, its reader, and many topics put the site on a par with popular science literature.
    I got acquainted with the site in 2011, as soon as I started to master the PC. There was no desire to register or leave comments - authors of articles and posts were too serious.
    I started at X-Torrents.org, where I liked practically everything. Especially - the ease of opinions and ease of topics. With the closure of the site, I decided to look for another place.
    The first registration took place in 2014, and since then I have been inserting comments into various related topics.
    The novel did not begin to note (or did not want to) that the seriousness of the site depends very much on the messages of users: style and literacy.
    In addition, (I have said and will continue to say) this anonymity in the assessment of the commentary and the “disappearance” of the Motherland flag are not a good side. Maybe there are difficulties in implementation, but believe me, sometimes I want to know the "anonymous" in the face and "touch the udder."
    I don't know why, but I am jarred by stylistic "dislocations" and deliberate illiteracy of some people. To write this way is not to respect the readers. I imagine if an article were published in this style ...
    In general, ten years - but how little it is ... I remembered directly:
    1. +1
      26 July 2021 15: 46
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Until the very end of the article, there were doubts about the authorship. I decided, until I finish reading, I will not look and ... I did not guess.


      Is this zrada or peremoga? It's somehow not entirely clear, to be honest.

      Quote: ROSS 42
      The novel did not begin to note (or did not want to) that the seriousness of the site depends very much on the messages of users: style and literacy.


      Well, I didn't do it directly, but I kind of meant it. It seemed to be in context.

      Quote: ROSS 42
      In general, ten years - but how little it is ... I remembered directly:


      Here's how to say, you know)))
  44. +13
    26 July 2021 13: 28
    Dear Roman, dear colleagues, good afternoon! )))
    I want to contradict the Author a little.
    More recently, the site had the following practice. After each new article, at the end of it, old articles, many years ago, were offered for reading. I went to one of these ...
    It was impossible to read the forum. It took a tremendous effort to understand the meaning of the comments. No periods, no commas, not to mention spelling and even semantic and stylistic mistakes.
    I have been with VO for almost three years, and to my delight, comments on certain topics have become much more competent and more competently written. It can be seen that before submitting comments to the judgment of colleagues, people are seriously working on them. And, believe me, it’s not so easy, it’s like writing the article itself: surf the Internet, find statistics from different sources, comprehend, read the opinions of experts, form your own opinion and only then write a comment, think over it now, redo it, correct mistakes , send to the forum, reread feverishly, grab your head and remake it again, already published))))
    But this is how many people began to write comments, putting a lot of work into them. And, in my opinion, literacy is progressing. More and more new people appear on the site who literally amaze me with their literacy, awareness and high intelligence.
    Another thing is that the competence and intellect of the respected Administration of the site is much higher than my mentioned qualities, and therefore, the Administration, in comparison with my picture, sees something different)))
    Well, and the fact that people come to shout is natural. The trouble is that they come in a crowd, and no matter how convincing the objector is, the crowd clogs him with minuses.
    Because this is a political struggle, and not a struggle of the ignorant against the "celebrities". The fight is tough, gaining momentum and not tolerating halftones. Constructive criticism of shortcomings is perceived as an attack on the country. This happens with very humiliated people who do not realize this humiliation. With weak people who have found something to lean on, and this support of theirs will never be given to anyone.
    Attacks on Authors are from the same series. Don't like the article, but are you competent? Add, specify with a detailed comment! Politely, I emphasize this, politely point out the defects of the Author.
    I painfully perceive the attacks on the Authors and have spoken about it many times. If you really want to beat someone, let's beat each other. But the Authors are inviolable. After all, articles are not fiction, they are just a reason for reflection, a sign of where to direct our "rabid critical realism" drinks ))))
    1. +7
      26 July 2021 13: 37
      I painfully perceive the attacks on the Authors and have spoken about it many times. If you really want to beat someone, let's beat each other. But the Authors are inviolable.

      Well, I do not! "I can't accept this!"
      There are some ... authors. And, Lyudmila, excuse me, I must, I must ... fellow
      1. +7
        26 July 2021 14: 21
        Dear colleague, thanks for the pictures, I laugh, I can't stop! wassat )))
        From picture to picture, the spectacle goes on increasing, which leads to a complete episode of the latter!
        Secret dreams ... What we have! wassat ))))
    2. +3
      26 July 2021 18: 44
      It took a tremendous effort to understand the meaning of the comments. No periods, no commas, not to mention spelling and even semantic and stylistic mistakes.
      I have been with VO for almost three years, and to my delight, comments on certain topics have become much more competent and more competently written. It can be seen that before submitting comments to the judgment of colleagues, people are seriously working on them.
      In many ways I agree! Imagine ... one of the reasons. why I have not left the VO site, this is the one that having reasons, or even the need to write comments and answers, I have the opportunity not to forget how to write certain words, phrases correctly ...!
      1. +3
        27 July 2021 10: 23
        Dear Nikolaevich, that's right!
        Typing some commentary, from time to time I find that I forgot how to spell a word correctly, or how to correctly put a punctuation mark. Having saved the comment, I go to Yandex to look. And I can't determine exactly what prompts me to do this: self-respect, respect for the site, for colleagues, or just a habit. Probably all this together ...
        But times have really changed. Life is too fast to focus. Thoughts go away, get lost - you can't remember! Therefore, the original commentary can be written down with a bunch of errors - I pressed the wrong thing, the letter was skipped, I don’t remember how it is spelled, other, but - rather, sooner, but the same will go away! It will leave and it will work out: I wanted to say something, but I don't remember anymore.
        Or even worse: I remember, but what stupidity I wanted to say then! It's good that there was no time to type and submit to the forum.
        That is why I am not bothered by mistakes and the text through the fifth to the tenth - I understand it! And then the whole forum builds up into a harmonious symphony, in which there are no false notes, but there are parties intertwining in confrontation, or in agreement. It happens that I read the forums completely, no matter how many posts there are in them, even if mine is not among them. And then the music of time begins to sound.
    3. +2
      27 July 2021 15: 32
      love good afternoon, dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I am pleased to read your comments today and yesterday. good relatively old comments. Yes, now there are more comments. The comments themselves, by the way, also increased. Perhaps it is because we are becoming more free inwardly? Or vice versa, as you write, there is a reaction to events from humiliated people? Do not know. Are both possible? In my opinion, this is not bad (in any case).
      Health to you and good mood no matter what !!!
      1. +1
        27 July 2021 16: 42
        Thank you, Dima! )))
        I read Samsonov's article today and all the comments to it. Well, well, the Author in the article showed his vision of a historical event, I expressed mine about the same events - it just so happened, at the very end of Ryzhov's article about Christina Shvedskaya, slightly anticipating Samsonov's article. It so happens that by some strange association, by a clue, a thought begins to move in a direction not indicated by the topic, and you cannot hold it, this thought.
        And yes, people came to Samson's article, some of whom mocked the Author, others, finding what, in their opinion, was a mistake, arrogantly noticed, they say, they will not read further, and a couple of overthrowers. And now you involuntarily think, or maybe you just have nothing to say, but you want to declare your existence.
        It seems to me that we all need to consistently raise the level of our competence on issues that touch the quick, and then there will always be something sensible to say, and this is the only way to attract attention.
  45. +7
    26 July 2021 13: 37
    Gorgeous ... and a lot of letters!
    At the expense of the pro-Russian orientation, the author, of course, is disingenuous. Let's remember the series of his articles on the eve of the 2020 referendum, where he spoke very skeptically. Thus, he formed public opinion, demand, and as much as he could, reduced the turnout.
    1. +5
      26 July 2021 14: 24
      Look above, I have already mentioned that there are about three or four main "pro-Russian orientations", and even up to ten halftone or fabulous-epic ones, like ukrov.
      United Russia is not a pro-Russian monopoly, but a pension, in general, a masterpiece of anti-Russian orientation.
    2. +5
      26 July 2021 15: 50
      Quote: WertGan
      At the expense of the pro-Russian orientation, the author, of course, is disingenuous.


      Not at all. This is our official position. Another question is that you may have a different understanding, but there is nothing you can do about it.

      Quote: WertGan
      Let's remember the series of his articles on the eve of the 2020 referendum, where he spoke very skeptically. Thus, he formed public opinion, demand, and as much as he could, reduced the turnout.


      And I am not at all ashamed of this, because everything turned into a huge clownery with the expected consequences. You just do not understand that the desires of Putin and his company are one thing, but what the country and the people really need is something completely different. Do you welcome the raising of the retirement age in the same way that some welcomed the Belavezha Accord 30 years ago, which did not give a damn about the opinion of the inhabitants of the USSR? Your right, but what does all of Russia have to do with it?
      1. 0
        27 July 2021 18: 54
        The increase in the retirement age did not occur as a result of the initiative of Putin or some other of our leaders. It happened due to the fact that the generally recognized norms of international law are an integral part of our legal system. In other words, if somewhere in the West they retire at 65, then we should have it too. If asexual marriage is allowed in the West, then we should be perfectly legal as well. And so on .... This is the lack of sovereignty. Putin called for changes to the basic law to restore sovereignty. However, this initiative did not find unanimous support among the people, among the financial and administrative elites. Therefore, in the end, such limited formulations were passed to a referendum. And now the ECHR is writing instructions to us about same-sex marriages ... In general, as you said, it is clear that you do not support the Beloverzhsky conspiracy and so on .... But at the same time, we must begin to understand the subject. To start from the beginning, from what the people voted for in 1991. From the basic law. With the role of Putin - our national leader. And finally, put the puzzle together - figure out what's going on. This is the point, if you write as a professional author, but your point of view is based on the position of a person who does not understand the subject, and therefore indiscriminate, then in fact you are working in the interests of Russia's geopolitical competitors. And if you work in their interests, then you are their agent (even if not in the context that is proposed by the new law). Maybe not, but ...
        If a four-legged animal meows like a cat, then it is a cat. Therefore, according to your articles, we can conclude that the words that you are pro-Russian oriented is slyness. By the way, here's an idea for you - an article on the status of a foreign agent, as the law suggests. On the eve of the elections, it is very important.
        1. +2
          29 July 2021 07: 10
          The increase in the retirement age did not occur as a result of the initiative of Putin or some other of our leaders. It happened because

          ISIS officially claims responsibility for attacking retirement age of Russians

          (Isis organization, banned in Russia)
          1. Aag
            0
            30 July 2021 15: 38
            Quote: Santa Fe
            The increase in the retirement age did not occur as a result of the initiative of Putin or some other of our leaders. It happened because

            ISIS officially claims responsibility for attacking retirement age of Russians

            (Isis organization, banned in Russia)

            good ... Up to this point, the day was gloomy ... lol
    3. +2
      26 July 2021 22: 48
      Quote: WertGan
      At the expense of the pro-Russian orientation, the author, of course, is disingenuous.

      Who is recognized as anti-Russian? Supporters of Navalny, for example, also position themselves as true patriots, someone naively, someone for money. Roman has quite definite political views, they are clearly reflected in this article, but unfortunately, attention is focused exclusively on the "beam in the eye" of opponents.
      But Roman's associates often behave no better, why not give examples in the article in a more balanced way. And minus with a twinkle - not rarely with a solid margin. Often, in their comments, they do not disdain outright fakes and manipulations. And then one gets the impression that there were polite cultured guys, and suddenly a flock of minus zaputins flew in
      fans of "Great Russia" and "We are going the right way"
      and began to insult and oppress everyone.
      But most of all, the inability of moderators to maintain the status of objective referees and not to use their position to make concessions acceptable (in terms of political views or personal ones) and complicate the situation undesirable undermines interest. When, for example, the comments of one (written without breaking the rules) are deleted for no reason, while the comments of his opponents with outright lies remain in place. And since there is a talk about toughening censorship, it is not difficult to guess from the content of the article in respect of whom it will be strengthened. How would VO turn into some analogue of "varonline" with such an approach, where a narrow circle of fans of each other will remain, caressing each other's ears with "correct" speeches.
      1. +1
        27 July 2021 18: 58
        It makes no sense to pay attention to cons in general. After all, if you posted your post, then you have already made your shot in the information war. Someone will read your post
        1. +1
          27 July 2021 20: 03
          Quote: WertGan
          It makes no sense to pay attention to cons in general. After all, if you posted your post, then you have already made your shot in the information war. Someone will read your post

          WertGan, it doesn't really matter to me. If you look at my comments, you can see it well - I write irregularly and mainly towards the end of the discussion, and only if there is a mood and time. I am mainly a reader on the forum, but sometimes I want to express my opinion and even sometimes, to be honest, answer hotter, so to speak, troll. Although this rarely happens, most of my unsuccessful trolling is removed. Maybe right, here no offense, there is nothing to give slack (even after a couple of hundred fogged up on Friday, after a week of work). It's not difficult to grab the pluses, it's enough to get into the top with a sincere phrase without a political color, which everyone will like - dozens of pluses are provided. This is not interesting to me, although I understand others, all the excitement of some kind, the site is on a military theme :). I mentioned this because Roman raised this issue more than once in his article:
          Here the Order, of course, helped, but really, what's the point of writing something if a whole crowd immediately rushes at you, and without reading (this will be a separate conversation) throws at you "minuses".

          Do you not believe in the saints of "Poseidon" with "Petrel" who will send us to paradise and America to die? On you cons, dear.

          Vitalik is sculpted with “minus” in batches, he really got fed up with his very washed down melody on the theme that “everything is going as it should, you just have to be patient”.

          And because I see that for many members of the forum it still matters hi
  46. +14
    26 July 2021 13: 37
    The author cried about the drop in the level of commentators, but he kept silent about the much "darker" aspects of the resource's life.
    1. A "manipulative" advertisement for a well-known computer game has appeared. The problem is not advertising, this is normal, but the problem is that advertising is manipulative in nature. That is, advertising articles do not say anywhere that they were written for advertising purposes. The meaning of these advertising articles is that a person who reads them, and is not notified that this is an advertisement, will eventually come to the conclusion that he needs to play this game.
    2. "Custom" articles appeared in the section on UFO and paranormal opinions. How do you need to fall in order to reach such "topics"?
    3. The site has been "grazing" for years a huge number of bots-professional commentators for money. Nobody fights with them for years.
    4. General drop in quality, in terms of technical complexity, of articles. Compare articles from 2013 and 2021. There were many times more complex articles designed for a tech-savvy reader in 2013 than in 2020-2021.
    5. The site with the name "Voennoye Obozreniye" long ago began to write articles about everything in the world. About Economy, Industry, Government, Oil, Children, UFOs, Cats (yes, it has already come to that). Was it worth it to expand the audience of the resource in this way and then cry that people come with stupid comments?
    6. Ban \ unban some users just because it is beneficial to the administration. For example, there was such an old-timer "Nexus" and he was banned only because he did not understand military equipment at all and his comments were essentially nothing. I was unbanned after 2 years of (well-deserved) ban only because I understand something in military technology and can write an interesting, technically difficult (for a layman) comment.
    7. Strange users like gridasov, existing for years. The person managed to scribble more than 7000 comments, but despite the surprise of all users of the resource, no one even rubs his comments. Also, many users deliberately kindle the flame in order to increase the number of comments, but no one bans them.
    The positive aspects of the resource in my opinion.
    1. Democratic registration.
    2. A wide range of opinions is allowed.
    3. Give the floor to the crazy.
    4. Fight, albeit weak, with articles-flame generators.
    5. An opportunity for everyone to publish an article.
    6. There are technically competent people on the site, sometimes even military specialists appear.
    7. Moderation, in principle, is present, but not tough, my personal opinion, moderators are normal guys.
    8. Understanding the problems of the resource and trying to get out of the hole where the owners of the resource themselves climbed.
    1. -1
      26 July 2021 15: 58
      Thoughtless nonsense and stupidity.

      To begin with, I didn't cry. This again came up in your head, I don’t know the reason and I won’t guess.

      Quote: KKND
      1. A "manipulative" advertisement for a well-known computer game has appeared.


      So what? This is advertising, we live off of it.

      Quote: KKND
      2. "Custom" articles appeared in the section on UFO and paranormal opinions.


      The section Opinions publishes articles by readers who want to try themselves in this direction. Nobody ordered them.

      Quote: KKND
      3. The site has been "grazing" for years a huge number of bots-professional commentators for money. Nobody fights with them for years.


      It's huge. And you know them, do you have evidence that they are being paid for it? Bring, consider. No - do not talk about your insults.

      Quote: KKND
      5. The site with the name "Voennoye Obozreniye" long ago began to write articles about everything in the world. About Economy, Industry, Government, Oil, Children, UFOs, Coats (yes, it has already come to that).


      From the very beginning. You will not understand, but "Rural Life" wrote not only about the battle for the harvest, and "Komsomolskaya Pravda" not only about the education of young men.

      Quote: KKND
      6. Ban \ unban some users just because it is beneficial to the administration. For example, there was such an old-timer "Nexus" and he was banned only because he did not understand military equipment at all and his comments were essentially nothing. I was unbanned after 2 years of (well-deserved) ban only because I understand something in military technology and can write an interesting, technically difficult (for a layman) comment.


      Well, stop crying about how underappreciated you are. You need to be responsible exclusively for your own affairs and not poke at others.
      1. +11
        26 July 2021 16: 09
        About the old-timer. Earlier there were (I hope there are) sensible commentators "Stary26", "Lopatov". They disappeared very abruptly, given their age, this leads to bad thoughts. Nothing is known about their fate?
        It would be correct to track the fate of such people, they became part of the VO and I think many (I am sure) come here for this kind of commentators. There are not many of them left.
        1. +6
          26 July 2021 21: 55
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          About the old-timer. There used to be (I hope there are) sensible commentators "Old26"

          Yes, I always read his comments about missile technology and always put pluses to him, such as he makes this site visited ... such a marshal should be given in absentia and the nickname should be highlighted in yellow letters ...
          I know a couple of dozen of them here, for the sake of their comments, you can forgive a lot VO ... their absolute knowledge is priceless ...
    2. +7
      26 July 2021 19: 13
      Clause 7 negative aspects
      7. Strange users like gridasov, existing for years.

      It's boring without Gridasov from Odessa. In paragraph 3 of the positive aspects you noted
      3. Give the floor to the crazy.

      This is just about him.
      1. +5
        27 July 2021 11: 21
        Yes, sometimes our understanding is poor. Here, for example, a clearly clever colleague of KKND writes:

        The site with the name "Voennoye Obozreniye" started writing articles about everything in the world long ago. About Economy, Industry, Government, Oil, Children, UFOs, Coats (yes, it has already come to that).


        Nice man KKND!
        Indeed, the economy, including finance, industry, oil, agriculture, is the basis of the state's power, the basis of its DEFENSE, and the state of these categories directly affects the ability of the military industry to bring armata and aircraft of the PAK FA project to mass production. , as well as other great new ideas. Or send these ideas into oblivion. So, raising the issues of industry and other things listed above, VO thereby illuminates the burning issues of the defense of our country.

        Children are future warriors, defenders of the Fatherland. And therefore, the attitude of the state towards them is also a vital issue of defense, hence the VO website.

        UFOs ... If US analysts suddenly became concerned about this topic, then it is important to understand: either we are being taken into the jungle of Star Wars, forcing us to excessively throw monetary resources into a dummy, as happened once with the USSR, forcing to spend huge resources on confronting the scam of the century , or there is something real behind it and it is a direct military topic that requires close attention.

        And the government ... The theme of government is already directly linked to the theme of koteki. If smart people move away from analyzing the behavior of the government and switch to the topic of cats, saying “Everything is clear there!”, Meaning the government, then this is a sign to the government that they don’t give a penny for it. Considering his activity in relation to the country's defense capability as too insufficient. And I put it mildly.

        Everything that is considered on the VO website is our life, past and present. From an accurate analysis of these lives in their totality, a diagnosis of our future life is derived. What exactly are we ready to defend and do we have opportunities for this, and what we are not ready to defend?
        1. +4
          27 July 2021 16: 24
          Lyudmila, all this is correct what you said, but I also found a VO with a large number of purely technical sections - artillery, navy, aviation, etc. It was a really specialized site where one could find out the opinion of a direct user of a particular system. Now this is not the case, on the technical side, the site has shrunk a lot. Probably, this is the policy of the founding fathers, there is nothing for one of them to complain about the visitors, as if they were to blame. Many very interesting authors have left (for example, a technical engineer), there is no midshipman, no Green. Well, what has grown has grown (operetta "Mister X" ", words of Pelican)
          1. +1
            27 July 2021 17: 13
            Maybe this is due to the fact that many types of weapons are now classified?
            About two years ago, I met a statement from one of the users of the VO website that some commentators are laying out on the forum such information about new developments that foreign intelligence officers do not need to strain - take them and send them to their own central office. It seems to me that there has been an increase in the secrecy regime, because the enemy is at the gate. Why would he give in his hands arguments against us in the form of a thorough knowledge of the features of our technology? Let him know only what the General Staff will show him, if it deems it necessary.
            1. +2
              27 July 2021 20: 12
              Lyudmila, we were not talking about new models (new ones before, and now they are not especially promoting, except from the propaganda side - "which has no analogues in the world"). We are talking about the use of technology in local conflicts during the Afghan war, conflicts in Transnistria and Tajikistan, that is, 30 years ago. At one time (60-70 years), I was greatly surprised by the complete silence about the Korean War and the results of our participation in it. The material went only from the end of the 80s. There was something to be proud of - the concept of using nuclear weapons completely changed, since dozens of downed B-29s showed that none of them would fly deep into our territory. On the other hand, the same applied to our Tu-4s. Only the development of rocket weapons has advanced military thought.
              1. +4
                27 July 2021 21: 44
                Oh ... Probably, you and I simply do not realize how rapidly time is passing. Perhaps everyone who wanted to speak out on the topics you indicated has already said everything they wanted. I remember how they raised the subject of Stalin - for the first time with me. Well, she spoke out as best she could. And when she was raised again, I was amazedly silent. Like, how is it, like everyone said everything, it's somehow inconvenient to repeat. And on the following topics about Joseph Vissarionovich, and they went one after another, I was also silent. But people talked and talked, almost a thousand comments reached, but 500 were for sure. People seemed to be shaman "Come back!", While others attacked them, there was a battle, there was a boil of passions, there was hope for a miracle in the form of an opportunity to influence the power, change it, and this hope was then in the air .... And now, not I remember when, but it seems that not very long ago the subject of Stalin was brought up again. And what do you think? There are relatively few comments. And even the displeased grumbling "Again?" So you talked out? Or did the hope for some indefinite miracle quietly melt under the blows of ruthless realities?
                Perhaps it is the same with purely military themes. Interest fades away in what has been discussed in all aspects, many times and by the same people. The enthusiasm disappears.
                It seems to me that you just need to wait for the arrival of new generations of users, for whom such topics will be new, and they will begin to discuss them with enthusiasm. Probably, there are some periods of time, at the beginning and at the end of which the topic is hot, interest in the middle of the period fades away and immediately begins to revive slowly.
                But, on the other hand, people of new generations may not want to look into the past, because for them, and not only for them, it moves away much faster than calendar years go away. Even I sometimes think that the Second World War was a hundred years ago. The uncertain and therefore frightening future is approaching too rapidly and requires straining your eyes, peering into it. And often in the press one can come across a threatening headline "The future is already with us!" Like, don't look back, look under your feet!

                And what about the Korean War - perhaps too closed history and little data?)))
                1. +4
                  27 July 2021 22: 22
                  And what about the Korean War - perhaps too closed history and little data?)))

                  About the Korean War and the Second World War - this is my personal. My preschool childhood passed in the late 50s - early 60s, I went to first grade in 1962. In general, the perception of the world was the same as that of the writer E. Limonov in his autobiographical story "We Had a Great Era" (read, if you haven't read it), there he described his childhood impressions of the post-war Kharkov of the late 40s, there was no difference, only there were no ruins, since Orenburg (from 1938 to 1958 - Chkalov) was a deeply rear city. I lived in an army environment, the kindergarten was from a flight school, the officers had huge order levels, despite the fact that there were only three anniversary awards - XX years of the Red Army, XXX years of the army and 40 years of the army. And under Khrushche Kukuruzny, the "Struggle for Peace in the World" began - some "Festivals of Youth and Students", different songs like "Buchenwal's Alarm" - I still can't understand what exactly she calls the people to in her chorus-spell "Take care of the world, take care of the world, take care of it, take care of it, take care of the world!" What do you need to do to take care of it? These are the childhood experiences. Khrushch reduced the army, aviation and navy, there was nothing propagandizing these areas at all. There was enough data on the Korean War, my father then took cargo to Andong on a Li-2 (he is a navigator), but the officialdom completely hushed up this topic. It didn't get any better under Brezhnev - all information about our Air Force was dull and streamlined, although the Vietnam War was already underway. It got to the point of insanity - in the magazines Flight and Awiation Week, articles about our combat aircraft were cut out. At the same time, foreign advertising of their equipment pressed on the ears. There was an impression that we were working in vain.
                2. +1
                  28 July 2021 07: 14
                  hi I'll try to write again. Will it work?
                  Not all people can write great and good comments, although they know a lot on different topics. Sometimes I thought about some - it would be good if some person would come more often, write more ... but everyone has their own plans. Or, on the contrary, a person has the opportunity to speak on different topics somewhere “live.” It is interesting that in a few years you can meet an interesting person whom you have not spoken to before ...
                  Also, on the contrary, some people know how to write great comments, although they know little on the topic ...
                  What am I doing? Any comments to VO are meaningless. After all, none of us reads the entire resource every day, both articles and comments. Therefore, the remarks can be compared to how the blind examined the elephant in its parts. winked
                  1. +2
                    28 July 2021 07: 40
                    Dima, good morning!
                    That's cool:
                    Therefore, the remarks can be compared to how the blind examined the elephant in its parts.

                    Sometimes it is enough to read the title of a topic, and you already know what it is about, who will be there and what they will say. Experience gained by practice)))
                    1. +2
                      28 July 2021 08: 14
                      That's cool
                      But isn't it, dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna? what request
                      Yes, you can tell who will be on what topic. However, you can't always guess. Even Olgovich can surprise you sometimes. And then, people can and change over the years. Observed it. smile love have a nice day!
  47. +7
    26 July 2021 13: 41
    I agree with the author. And with a drop in the literacy rate of commentators, and with grunting, and with a prejudice against some commentators from neighboring countries. But the site lives on, does not lose its informative appeal. And this, in my subjective opinion, is the main thing.
  48. +10
    26 July 2021 13: 53
    I would gladly read something from the personal experience (bitter, funny, informative) of the authors' military service. Are you planning to open a similar section?
    1. +2
      26 July 2021 14: 04
      Quote: Bez 310
      (bitter, funny, informative) military service of the authors.

      Plus and answer your comment, because there was a lot of funny and very funny things on the VS. Sometimes I want to share .. tell)
      1. +2
        27 July 2021 09: 00
        Crap! In addition, Alex TV in profile, there it begins with a bursa and it is written in curly
    2. +4
      26 July 2021 14: 25
      Quote: Bez 310
      I would gladly read something from the personal experience (bitter, funny, informative) of the authors' military service. Are you planning to open a similar section?


      This is yes ...
      I remember the times. when the essays "Sharks from Steel" - were called on other Internet sites - just a wild "pandemonium" of readers ...
      and in the comments - people shared their bikes - which were also sometimes prohibitively "emotional" ...
    3. +2
      26 July 2021 15: 00
      Quote: Bez 310
      I would gladly read something from the personal experience (bitter, funny, informative) of the authors' military service. Are you planning to open a similar section?

      Hello, Michael.
      I strongly subscribe to this proposal.

      I confess - I have already voiced this before the editorial board of VO.
      To which the question was asked - what to do with the Authors when publishing their memoirs on VO?

      Have a suggestion?

      Alex.
      1. +5
        26 July 2021 15: 14
        Quote: Aleks tv
        the question was asked - what to do with the Authors when publishing their memoirs on VO?

        But I didn't understand the question ...
        What does it mean - "how to be"? How to be with other VO authors!
        I do not know what they do with the authors of VO articles, but how can they differ from the authors of memoirs?
        1. +4
          26 July 2021 15: 45
          ... I do not know what they do with the authors of VO articles, but how can they differ from the authors of memoirs?

          There are masters who know how to write:
          Pokrovsky, Ovechkin, Zagortsev, Novikov, Bezlyudov, Mironenko.
          This is offhand.
          How will they react if their works begin to be published on VO?
          Someone agree for thanks, someone for money, someone categorically not, like I have my own site, read it on it, and someone will simply say "no".
          Everyone needs their own approach, that is, you need a person who would be engaged in this in the editorial office ... Not so easy.

          There are also less venerable, but talented authors who, as you said, write from "personal experience".
          Is.
          So there was a proposal to start a column so that those who wish to write their memoirs. Those. not to "search" for authors, but to "provide a platform" for those who wish.
          And it will fill? After all, she was previously on VO ...
          That is the question.
          ......
          As for me, the rubric should be restored.
          Anyone who has a desire to upload their memories will do it.
          And the authors themselves will decide organizational questions with the editors.
      2. +1
        26 July 2021 16: 00
        To do this, the authors need to want to write something. There are no interested parties yet. there used to be a section "Soldier's Tales" in which something like that was printed. Then, as they switched to their own texts, the section was removed. And tales of their own composition have not yet been born.
        1. +4
          26 July 2021 16: 36
          Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
          it is necessary that the authors want to write something. There are no interested parties yet. there used to be a section "Soldier's Tales" in which something like that was printed. Then, as they switched to their own texts, the section was removed. And tales of their own composition have not yet been born.

          There, at the top, one author has already appeared - "ammunition" - Sometimes I want to share .. tell) "Tell us what he needs to do, maybe it is worth conducting an experiment. But no" tales ", just a true story from the real service!
          If you try to conduct an experiment on the conventional theme "Military service as it was ...", then I will remember something too. Your business, but some kind of "revitalization" on the site is needed, but this is my personal opinion ...
    4. +1
      26 July 2021 22: 02
      Quote: Bez 310
      I would gladly read something from the personal experience (bitter, funny, informative) of the authors' military service.

      If I didn’t serve, I wouldn’t believe many things ... some of the best years of my life ...
  49. +17
    26 July 2021 14: 01
    The degradation of the IMHO site began in 2014 after the well-known events. Then, to my question to the administration "when this whole orgy will end here," they answered me "when we will win." Have you won? If so, then only yourself.
    From recent examples I can recall a day where there were ten news stories about Ukraine (like VO is a Russian site, not a Ukrainian one). Well, of course, for my remark on this matter, I received another warning with an entry. In general, the site is very grateful for the change in the behavior of the rules on the site (a personal article was introduced in my honor). At least in this way, but I made my contribution here.

    News about the materiel became monstrously little and the lovers of technology "voted with their feet." There was a lot of news about nothing and articles without author's signatures. Error comments in articles are quietly removed by the administration. In the comments, not just a srach, but an obvious criminality, and the administration for the most part does not react to "workers' complaints". Well, somehow it does not pull after that to a constructive conversation and indeed to creativity on the resource.

    And I would advise the author to read the comments under his articles. It is very helpful to know your mistakes.

    Roma, I would put "harmful" Jews in quotation marks. We have not harmed or poisoned wells in villages in Europe for a long time, we don’t mix the blood of Christian babies into matzo, and we don’t drink all the water in your water supply.
    1. +5
      26 July 2021 14: 42
      Quote: professor
      and we don’t drink all the water in your plumbing.

      Your strength, dear professor, is not the same ..-)) not .. And it happened - a quarter could eat. And the age is not the same, there is no romanticism.
      Last time you were in the rank of captain. hm .. Not otherwise as you have a powerful and numerous "opposition".
      ------------------
      Briefly. The essence and for you personally. -: It's amazing how tiny Israel not only did not disappear into a total environment of hostile countries, peoples and radical religion.
      As Weller said - "be the Germans instead of the Arabs .. or at least the Spaniards .."
      1. +6
        26 July 2021 15: 13
        Quote: ammunition
        As Weller said - "be the Germans instead of the Arabs .. or at least the Spaniards .."

        The Swiss have German neighbors. They live great. good
    2. +2
      26 July 2021 16: 10
      Oleg, you are back for your own. A mixture of pride, arrogance and everything else.

      Quote: professor
      News about the materiel became monstrously little and the lovers of technology "voted with their feet."


      Lies from the first to the last word. Go to the appropriate section. And do not make up nonsense.

      Quote: professor
      There was a lot of news about nothing and articles without author's signatures.


      News goes without the author's signature. Wish you missed that.

      Quote: professor
      In the comments, not just a srach, but an obvious criminality, and the administration for the most part does not react to "workers' complaints". Well, somehow it does not pull after that to a constructive conversation and indeed to creativity on the resource.


      Yes, no one has been calling you to creativity for a long time. Your position is well known, everything is clear with it. And I also said about this there, about the discontent and instructions, "how to properly equip ...". And whose opinion we first of all listen to.

      Quote: professor
      And I would advise the author to read the comments under his articles. It is very helpful to know your mistakes.


      Oleg, the entire editorial board would subscribe to my words that your opinion is terribly important, but ... That's right, I wrote an article a little not about that. And if I wanted to know your personal opinion, I would ask him. As I have done this many times before, in case you forgot. But - for some reason does not pull. Do you understand why? Because, first of all, you never admitted your mistakes and climbed to make trouble instead of dialogue. For which you were pushed aside. So, you can say that I have a good teacher.
      1. +10
        26 July 2021 17: 58
        Sorry Roman, but you're wrong. The professor criticizes essentially whether you like it or not, but as a moderator of the site, the editors should listen to the opinion of veteran commentators.
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        There was a lot of news about nothing and articles without author's signatures.


        News goes without the author's signature. Wish you missed that.

        Here you are wrong if you are not lazy then find the article "Ukraine wants to achieve the production of Hammer mortars in Eastern Europe" for just such articles, Meehan and other trolls become generals.
      2. +11
        26 July 2021 18: 02
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Oleg, you are back for your own. A mixture of pride, arrogance and everything else.

        I didn't write that about you. Why are you making it up?

        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        News about the materiel became monstrously little and the lovers of technology "voted with their feet."

        Lies from the first to the last word. Go to the appropriate section. And do not make up nonsense.

        It turns out that the whole company is out of step, and you are in step. With regard to articles, this is not only my opinion. Indirectly this article and you confirm it. And other readers share this opinion of mine.
        Let's see together. Today in the heading "Armament" there are only two articles
        Checkmate, "Baikal" and hope for the best: the main novelties of the MAKS air show - a superficial overview of Ilya Legat
        American armored vehicle- historical sketch by Vyacheslav Shpakovsky
        I was right. The news about the materiel became monstrously little ... Tell about what happened today in the field of weapons?

        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov

        Yes, no one has been calling you to creativity for a long time. Your position is well known, everything is clear with it. And I also said about this there, about the discontent and instructions, "how to properly equip ...". And whose opinion we first of all listen to.

        You call, Roma. You also call complaining about the level of comments. Well, what motivation can be to write a detailed detailed commentary if insults, provocations and nonsense immediately arrive at you? My position is "less politics and shit and more materiel"and I'm glad that my position is clear.
        If you think that everything is "properly arranged" here, then why are you complaining in this article? After all, everything is a bunch. Or not? If not, then you seem to be listening to the wrong opinion.

        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Oleg, the entire editorial board would subscribe to my words that your opinion is terribly important, but ... That's right, I wrote an article a little not about that. And if I wanted to know your personal opinion, I would ask him. As I have done this many times before, in case you forgot. But - for some reason does not pull. Do you understand why? Because, first of all, you never admitted your mistakes and climbed to make trouble instead of dialogue. For which you were pushed aside. So, you can say that I have a good teacher.


        My opinion and the opinion of your readers are really terribly important because we are your clients. We visit the site, click on ads in banners, and due to this, the site lives. Or am I not understanding something and you can exist without readers? request

        Unlike you, Roma, I always read the comments to my articles as I wrote and write for my readers and their opinion is always important to me. And yes, Roma, I have repeatedly admitted and now admit my mistakes. Look under my articles. For it is impossible to know everything.

        I'm embarrassed to ask where and where they pushed me? wink
        1. 0
          26 July 2021 22: 15
          Quote: professor
          I'm embarrassed to ask where and where they pushed me? wink

          It was out of context ... Return the Gollans to the working people of the SAR and you will be a colonel again ...
    3. -2
      28 July 2021 19: 12
      We have not harmed or poisoned wells in villages in Europe for a long time, we don’t mix the blood of Christian babies into matzo, and we don’t drink all the water in your water supply.

      And to repent for the deeds of the past?
      1. +2
        28 July 2021 19: 20
        Quote: Anton
        And to repent for the deeds of the past?

        For the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? We repent. For what else?
  50. +17
    26 July 2021 14: 06
    I would like to share my experience of stopping writing comments on this site and solving the question "how not to miss the interesting among the unreadable."
    About 2 years ago I stopped writing comments on this site. After 3 warnings from the admin for a lively, but without obscene vocabulary, discussion with the fan zone of the Stalinists (or how to call them correctly), who dreamed of shooting me :-( realized that it was time, "the owners hinted 3 times."
    The question remains, how not to miss something interesting, especially in the comments, which are sometimes more interesting than articles (very often practices write in the comments and suddenly the topic can be seen from a completely different side). Just to read what is published, there is simply no time and desire, unfortunately most of what is published is read ... hmm, it is not necessary.
    The solution turned out to be simple: add to favorites or leave open the tabs of interesting authors / commentators and update them periodically. As a rule, an interesting topic / article / comments will certainly appear in them, and then you can read the whole text. :-)
    My shortlist of authors / commentators: Bongo, Andrey from Chelyabinsk, Timokhin / Klimov, Caliber, Rudolph, Voyaka Uh, Professor, A. Privalov, Undecim, Cherry Nine, Mister X, Alex TV, Ancient.
    Taking this opportunity, I want to express my gratitude to the above authors / commentators for their work and for the fact that they do not leave the reader without “spiritual food”. Moreover, according to the comments, I found many more authors, for example: according to the comments of A. Privalov - Isaac Mostov (and in general the huge Russian-speaking culture of Jewish writers), according to the comments of the Cherry Nine - an interesting writer Marchenko / Mokrenko. And, of course, there are many other links to literature on the Internet, which is posted there without copyright infringement, I hope. :-)
    In general, the VO site as a source of information is not bad, the main thing is to know where, how and what to look for.
  51. BAI
    +12
    26 July 2021 14: 10
    but the orientation of Military Review remained absolutely the same. Moderately reasonable and politically pro-Russian.

    A very disingenuous assessment. Where does this come from on the Internet:

    Prologue. Nowadays. Somewhere on the World Wide Web
    “...according to reports from independent sources in AMAH, Popular Mechanics, NI, as well as from our super-cut friend Isaac Izrailevich from the pages of the well-known site "Shalom top-top war-war", the day is not far off when the new star Wormwood from Northrop Grumman Corporation will rise over the promised lands of the southern plains. And her name will be “Kharev of Armageddon” (C)..."


    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/historyandweapon/petrov-i-boshirov-alternativnye-geroi-rossii-xxigo-veka-na-pravah-iumora-60e8bd8fa83d1f6b73df2e89

    As I understand it, the site has developed an anti-Semitic image on the Internet. For those who don’t believe, look in the News for comments on the article About the proposal to introduce a “Nationality” column in the passport.

    You can see the “Professor’s” comment at the top. 10 years on the site, author of articles (502), 29 (more than) comments. People with much less results become generalissimos. I don’t agree with him on many things, but the fact that the assessment is based on the flag is indisputable.
    1. +8
      26 July 2021 16: 56
      Quote: BAI
      You can see the “Professor’s” comment at the top. 10 years on the site, author of articles (502), 29 (more than) comments. People with much less results become generalissimos. I don’t agree with him on many things, but the fact that the assessment is based on the flag is indisputable.

      It is possible to solve this problem (with minus, plus...) without infringing on any of the parties and without the admins chasing after anyone.
      Let everyone minus and plus, as before, but so that spectacles from minuses and pluses were counted only from those responding to posts (opponents, associates, partners, interlocutors...)
      1. +2
        26 July 2021 22: 34
        Quote: Terenin
        Let everyone minus and plus, as before, but so that spectacles from minuses and pluses were counted only from those responding to posts (opponents, associates, partners, interlocutors...)

        What's the point in fighting then?
        1. +6
          26 July 2021 23: 16
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Quote: Terenin
          Let everyone minus and plus, as before, but so that spectacles from minuses and pluses were counted only from those responding to posts (opponents, associates, partners, interlocutors...)

          What's the point in fighting then?

          So the point is that real cuffs (points) in a fight are given out and received only by those fighting, and the “cons and pros” of the others are also visible, but they do not affect the rating.
          If they want to influence, then welcome to the discussion. At least the position will be visible.
    2. +5
      26 July 2021 19: 53
      I even doubt that Oleg is interested in site titles laughing laughing
    3. 0
      26 July 2021 23: 02
      Quote: BAI
      A very disingenuous assessment. Where does this come from on the Internet:

      But here the guys put it more simply - fresh:
      I just read news articles about the T-75 that debuted at MAKS - am I the only one who thinks that Voennoye Obozreniye has turned into some kind of liberalist trash heap?

      I just noticed that they are discussing Roman’s article there.
      http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7761&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=topwar&start=2490
  52. +3
    26 July 2021 14: 19
    A timely article... Like a cry from the heart... I completely agree with it... hi
  53. +10
    26 July 2021 14: 21
    the best article in my opinion, from a respected author, is his report from Brest Fortress in the early morning of June 22- the article turned out well
    poignant, tragic, sincere, bright, realistic and touched the soul..

    Great job! hi

    We are waiting, yes, for the promised continuation of the author’s series of articles about WWII.

    By the way, it’s a pity that the wonderful author, expert on WWI and the Russian Army A. Oleinikov, disappeared; the wonderful Denis Berg with his sailboats, etc., has been gone for a long time. Ehhh!

    But there are conscientious and interesting authors Ryzhov, Shpakovsky, Fedorov.



    . Reading comments that year after year do not become smarter or more meaningful, it somehow becomes sad. Where are we going?

    The hardest work - reading hundreds/thousands of comments EVERY day - what nerves of steel you need to have to digest us all hi .

    By the way, in the History section, I don’t see a lowering of the level of commentator competence; on the contrary, in my humble opinion, new interesting people are appearing, and the old ones are still healthy and delighting with very interesting comments, even if they don’t agree with everything. But it’s interesting to argue!

    Hatred towards dissidents is more of a concern

    Yes... But without dissidents, the correspondence will turn into dull:
    "Oh, how right you were!!"
    And you’re even more right!”
    "We're both right!" and...will dry up...

    In my opinion, it hasn’t gotten worse and everything flows and everything changes.....

    Dear author, Happy Anniversary, health, wisdom, patience and... indulgence towards us, many sinners, sometimes
    For I don’t understand what I’m doing: because I don’t do what I want, but what I hate, I do.
    Romans 7
    hi
    1. +6
      26 July 2021 21: 26
      Not Berg, Denis Brig in my opinion. No?
      1. +1
        26 July 2021 21: 38
        You're right, it's my fault. hi
  54. +2
    26 July 2021 14: 57
    “Don’t believe in the saints “Poseidon” and “Petrel”, who will send us to heaven and leave America to die? You have some minuses, dear.”
    -----
    Today Navalny's website was closed...
    Clearly a bad day...
    1. +8
      26 July 2021 17: 00
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Today Navalny's website was closed...

      And who is it?
      1. +1
        26 July 2021 22: 21
        Quote: Terenin
        Quote: Tank jacket
        Today Navalny's website was closed...

        And who is it?

        Contra...
    2. -1
      26 July 2021 17: 23
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Today Navalny's website was closed...
      Clearly a bad day...

      They are in mourning today and the author is clearly in a depressed mood.. laughing My condolences to R. Skmorokhov and K..
      The "mechanization" of Russia is in full swing hehe
  55. +5
    26 July 2021 15: 04
    Actual topic. Worth thinking for a lot of people. Offer something that will improve the functioning of the site and the culture of communication.
    A website is a living organism and a reflection of society; unfortunately, VO can influence society, but weakly, but society and the mood in it influence VO very strongly.
    The site itself may well create an advertisement for a good platform for discussing various military topics even in modern society, even with the cheers of patriots and others.
    And our task is to offer improvements.
    (in my spirit, I wrote to the administration)
    the site is real people - their knowledge, emotions, communication. Let's live together even when we never agree with each other.
  56. +3
    26 July 2021 15: 31
    Thank you, congratulations to VO on its 1st decade.
    Good, but sad.
    In addition to the decline in the general level of education, literacy, intelligence, etc. there is obvious general fatigue from the fact that changes for the better are extremely slow, the cancerous tumor is only growing along the borders of Russia, therapeutic measures are already powerless, and delaying the inevitable surgical ones only aggravates the situation - for natural reasons there are fewer of ours in the former fraternal republics, but a generation of rabid people is growing there , born after the collapse of the Great Common Motherland and raised on wild Russophobia. People like that trot around on the Internet too. I'm tired of the endless verbiage in the endless nonsense of the show.
    And also, thanks to Sergei Lavrov, the combination of the letters “D” and “B” has become commonly used, so it’s strange to receive a ban or warning from “VO” for using it in comments.

    What is the economic model of your work?
    What are the criteria for being invited to work at VO?
    Why do you never respond to offers of cooperation on your advertisements?
  57. -3
    26 July 2021 15: 58
    Excellent analysis dear Roman hi ! I’ve been on the site for many years and I see all this myself, but your article kind of pushed me to register. Everything is correctly noted. Just don’t offend Vitalik). He does the necessary work for more than a dozen respected Jews with the professor (Oleg hi ) at the head laughing
    1. +5
      26 July 2021 17: 09
      Quote: Adrey
      Excellent analysis dear Roman hi ! I’ve been on the site for many years and I see all this myself, but your article kind of pushed me to register. Everything is correctly noted. Just don’t offend Vitalik). He does the necessary work for more than a dozen respected Jews with the professor (Oleg hi ) at the head laughing

      Thanks Andrey! Although I understand your malice (I’m already used to being called names like that) hi
      And yet Roma is cunning about me .. His hatred of me and my comments is completely different and it all started in 2015 (thanks to the Jewish members of the forum, they perfectly provoked a conflict)))) I won’t tell you, but after that I started having problems with the administration and in particular with the moderator Roman .. He was just squeezing me out .. for so many years, and his rancor is getting bigger and bigger ..) God be his judge ..! And my so-called urakly, but what’s wrong with that, if I’m proud of my country, its small, but still achievements.. What’s wrong with that? If all "in this country , as it was in Roman’s profile, they will start whining and lamenting .. What will come of this, it’s the 90s again. There they whined and everyone complained in all the media, etc.
      So, guys, don’t be rude, we’ll meet again..
      And the “Mikhanization” of Russia is underway and God forbid that it will be so.. Just as Dostoevsky wrote “The liberals will ruin Russia with their whining and chatter.”..
      Peace and goodness to everyone!
      PS PERSONAL greetings to Roman and success in his creative activity.. Be kinder and people will be drawn to you. (I hope Roman won’t delete my comment, as he usually does in batches without any reason))
      Let's break through, guys, you won't shoot all the "Mikhans" .. soldier
      1. +3
        26 July 2021 22: 59
        Quote: Utes
        So, guys, don’t be rude, we’ll meet again..

        So, dear, take a seat. No, “farewell and never remember...”stop Nobody let you go.
        Roman is right that this is his “monastery”, and he will not tolerate “other people’s rules”.
        By registering, we agree to this.
        But, the system of views and ideas of forum members, in which people’s attitudes to reality and to each other, social problems and conflicts are recognized and assessed... naturally Even ten admins can’t change it, and they don’t need it No. Maybe this, in certain topics, creates a rating for the site.
        As I understand it, Roman asks not to cut rashly, although he himself sins with betrayals and bans winked
        1. 0
          27 July 2021 16: 35
          Quote: Clear
          So, dear, take a seat. No, “farewell and never remember...” Nobody let you go.

          I obey, Comrade General... soldier Ready to continue political work among personnel and civilians!!! bully
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  60. +12
    26 July 2021 19: 08
    The author wrote everything correctly. But only on one side. What about the second?
    Who invited Kharaluzhny, Orlova, Zyryanov, the Ivanov conglomerate and other similar authors-fanatics of the super-ethnic group to the site? Who edits the “News” section? Hence the corresponding contingent, dull and boorish, attracted by the content of the corresponding content. Flies and bees have different food preferences. Therefore, when putting food for flies in the feeder, you should not be offended by the bees because they do not fly to it.
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  62. +2
    26 July 2021 21: 23
    VO is unique in that it can simply and clearly talk about military topics and give an assessment on any topic. And its audience is different from any other site. It costs a lot.
  63. +3
    27 July 2021 07: 06
    In my opinion, I'd love to be wrong about this, but the Internet is at war. And as in any war, a new unit with well-trained soldiers and officers, when conducting combat operations, loses its main staff, which is replaced by poorly trained recruits, ready only to shout “Hurray”, throw their hats at the “enemy” or call for surrender to the mercy of the “winner” "everyone who lives in Russia, from dragonflies to moose in nature reserves. That’s why victories overnight turn into defeats, breakthroughs into shameful retreats, and bravura marches to the “front line” turn into protracted positional trench warfare in pouring rain in slushy trenches... We need a victory, like in 2014 or 2011 -m. Until it is planned, it is necessary, probably, to have patience to endure the nonsense of the “young people”, the rudeness of the “scoopers” and the complete indifference of the “grandfathers”, knowing exactly what all this is needed for. I think so.
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  65. +4
    27 July 2021 10: 18
    The article was published in time for the site’s 10-year anniversary. There is reason to rejoice. But the article turned out to be a kind of marker of the mood of both forum members and the administration, in the form of the author.
    Result - the discussion began with 3 deleted comments in a row. Here are the festive fireworks...
    Then there was a wave of lyrics, mainly from veterans. We remembered those glorious times when the site was correct and the trees were large.
    But the music did not play for long. Where is the Order, which was shot three times and convicted twice? The author gave the “idea”, making an inappropriate reference to the EP, and the wheel started spinning...
    Going to the site has become, if not scary, then at times simply uninteresting - the politicization of opinions has become an irreversible process. Mentioning the Government and the President in a positive manner does not lead to specific criticism, but to a silent downvote. Guilds of “like-minded people” are furious. And not without the tacit approval of the administration. And getting paid for a link to Lavrov’s famous statement is no longer moderation. This is censorship.
    But the Covid pandemic seems to have already struck many, even in the virtual space. Here, as for pro-Putinism, you are punished with dozens of minuses if you are a supporter of voluntary vaccination.
    The site administration has opened Pandora's box. So we’ve sunk to the level of “he’s a fool.”
    Hello everyone!
    hi
    1. +2
      27 July 2021 11: 48
      So it would be normal to remember the army, to laugh between the delights of the D-30 and “Genocide”, or 72 and 64. All the same, while you’re tracking, something will break through, and it’ll be quicker than dry chipboard
    2. +2
      27 July 2021 13: 25
      Good afternoon, Valentin Ilyich! hi )))

      Mentioning the Government and the President in a positive manner does not lead to specific criticism, but to a silent downvote. Guilds of “like-minded people” are furious.


      A very closed category "President + Government"! They announce one thing and do another. And how this affects the military industry and our entire life in general does not require a detailed analysis, a comparison of the government’s multidirectional actions and the role of the Guarantor in this matter. The sad practice of our existence is such that people have ceased to separate the president from the economic bloc of the government - he signs such laws that their absurdity is breathtaking! In the minds of people, the president and the government have merged and become a single structure called ANTI-PEOPLE POWER. As a result, any attempt to support the president in any of his useful endeavors ends in a flurry of minuses. For now, from now on and forever behind his back, many see the Central Bank and the economic government bloc, that is, the conductors of the will of the US Federal Reserve through the IMF, whose official employee on a decent salary is at least Siluanov. Consequently, he is an employee of our strategic enemy - the USA. Can the enemy wish us anything good? But the President does not remove Siluanov. Just like Nabiullina. In the minds of the people, the president and they have some kind of joint business to create personal capital. Whether this is true or not is not known, but it looks like it.
      And such a simple chain has already been built in people’s minds, it is getting stronger every day and does not require reflection. Minus, that's all! Minus as an expression of mistrust - not towards the author of the comment, but directly towards the government and the president.

      You know, I not only read articles on VO, I also read articles on other sites. And then some article in support of the president, like “Long live! Hurray!!!”
      The first few comments are “Long live! Hurray!!!”, downvoted to death. And the rest are 8 thousand (yes, that’s exactly how many!), large, unfolded - flattened to death. Because the people are crying.
      1. +2
        27 July 2021 17: 35
        Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
        Quote: depressant
        Because the people are crying.

        “Go out to the Volga, whose groan is heard, on the great Russian river?” - This groan is called the Internet. For freebies they go with towline....
        Just as they cried under the Tsar-Father, so they cried under the Bolsheviks. And under Gorbachev they really wanted change. Even Vitya Tsoi was asked to sing about it.
        After the "change" we got out of the ruins. Silently they shook themselves off, healed their wounds, remembered those who had passed away, who could not bear the happiness of the new, so expected.
        But then a miracle happened - the Internet came. Instead of Moidodyr. And it turned out that hitting the keys is more productive than working hard. It must be understood that the late D. Kennedy addressed his famous address about who did what for the country exclusively to US citizens.
        PS
        Somehow, imperceptibly, cries about a bad president began to mix with cries about reluctance to get vaccinated. And something tells me that this libretto for the opera “Let Me Eat” was written specifically for the choir of the blind.....
        1. +3
          27 July 2021 19: 43
          Ilyich, ask Roman to talk about the president and vaccination
          Yes, I got vaccinated, they said that the horns will grow in half a hundred years
          Here, either I’ll pierce the coffin, or I’ll please the people, a 110-year-old old man with horns, how cool!
          1. +2
            27 July 2021 20: 00
            Quote: perepilka
            vaccination
            Yes, I got vaccinated, they said that the horns will grow in half a hundred years
            Here, either I’ll pierce the coffin, or I’ll please the people

            Vladimir ...
            This turns out to be such a sore subject...
            The site seems to be military-political. But judging by the denialist, every second person here is a virologist, proctologist and pathologist rolled into one....
            wassat
            And this, you must admit, is a clinic in its purest form.
            On my ship, a circle of underground workers has already been organized - they sit and, over a cup of tea and coffee, discuss with an intelligent look that, they say, it is better to be vaccinated with Pfizer, or, at worst, Johnson & Johnson. It remains to decide where, who and when these stupid people will be vaccinated. lol
            But the problem does not go away. Nowhere.
            But in Spain, for example, in a month and a half, the vaccination rate of the population went from 35% to almost 50%. And by autumn they will definitely increase it to 65-70%.
            And that’s why I just want to ask these “pique vests” - is Russia not a decree for you, and the example of Spain is not an example? Not to mention Israel, where vaccination was completed almost in May.
            And do you know what they say? Like, we don’t trust the government.
            Madhouse and clinic in one bottle...
  66. +1
    27 July 2021 11: 46
    I agree with the author. I stopped actively commenting about five years ago. Outright rudeness and rudeness, ignorance. What was most upsetting was the desire to be sure to isolate some error in your comment and build on it to REFUTUATE your thought, without ever delving into it
  67. +1
    27 July 2021 13: 45
    Roman, about specialists in different and specific areas and regions)):
    The times and secrecy open to the uninitiated have ended.
    that's it... people started working, and the ban on publicity in some areas of activity has become stricter... so there is little tasty in the comments)) well, the Unified State Exam, although those interested in the Unified State Exam are not a hindrance)))
  68. +1
    27 July 2021 15: 43
    The Military Review website should be Military Review. Well, for those who, instead of seriously discussing modern means of armed struggle, armies, etc., are engaged in discussing their personal problems or settling scores with opponents, planting various fakes, it is better to look for another site.
  69. 0
    27 July 2021 16: 30
    Thanks Roman. You touched on a very serious topic and looked very carefully at the reasons for the degradation of VO. I would like to believe that the VO administration will take your opinions into account and be able to correct the current situation
  70. +1
    27 July 2021 20: 15
    Okay, I'll draw it here.
    Someone is yelling that the Union is not
    sbergli
    Who else
    Guys, remember.
    The army is from the outside, and it doesn’t care who’s in power.
    Save the country, and then we’ll figure it out
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  73. 0
    28 July 2021 04: 11
    As one of this legion recently put it, “The author received a fee for his article, and therefore he must take into account everything that is said to him here.”

    So inform the audience that not all of the materials posted here receive a fee for their work, and the issue will be closed.
  74. +3
    28 July 2021 13: 56
    Well, that opinion is frankly biased. Like supporters of the authorities, opponents of various Maidans and fighters, etc. are to blame for everything. Everyone was recorded as jingoistic patriots again and equated to “Meehan”. Convenient, however. But any slop and wrestling go down well. That is, if you water the government, the army and the military-industrial complex with slop, then this is normal. But if you answer or try to argue or express your opinion, contradicting this mainstream, then immediately - a Kremlin bot, an enemy of the people, etc. request
    The site is openly slipping into politics and clearly in the opposition direction. From a professional platform on military and historical topics, it becomes a purely political mouthpiece. This won't end well. And it is already clear that there are fewer competent articles on military topics, and there is much more chatter and propaganda articles. This is also reflected in the comments. Fewer interesting comments, but more political speeches. And this comes precisely from the site’s policy. What will happen next - Idk. But following this road, the site will definitely move from a military site to a purely political one. And the audience will change accordingly. This is natural. hi
  75. +1
    28 July 2021 18: 37
    I read, read, agreed, and at some point I realized who the author was. Yes, I’m stupid, I didn’t put the name and text together right away. Dear Roman)), I agree with you on the topic of malicious attacks, rudeness, swearing, poking and illiteracy. But I’m just one of those who (I confess) first read your entire materials, then began to read through the paragraph, then just the beginning, then just the headings. and now I try not to do this, although it is difficult, because... The topics you raise are topical. Therefore, I don’t comment on your articles, because I haven’t read them. But I read the whole thing. That is, I am your principled opponent, and I even wanted you to be kicked out, and I wrote about it, for which I received a well-deserved warning number two.
    But why are we on opposite sides of the barricades? Do any of us really not want Russia to prosper? Don't think. The point, as it seems to me, is this (delete, but at least read it first).
    You people who have inflated, exalted and thoughtless patriotism cause hatred. Hatred is like contempt, only in the active phase. He doesn’t pass by, he will answer. We feel contempt for feces, and we won’t argue with them, we won’t even curse them, we’ll just pass by. And hatred will scold you. This is your feeling for them, it comes through all your materials, which are probably essentially good. I tried to convey this to you in a dozen different comments, and in the end rudely, but I couldn’t. I love VO, there are a lot of interesting, thoughtful and knowledgeable authors here. I start the day with VO, sometimes staying for hours. I’m trying to understand how it really was and is, what initiatives to support, even if only within myself. But I have not met another author who would so consistently and constantly express in his materials hatred of “ruryakalki”, this material is no exception. Example:
    Don’t you believe in the saints of “Poseidon” and “Petrel”, who will send us to heaven and leave America to die?

    Here it is. The label for someone who wants to figure it out is neither “believe” nor “not believe.” You decided for him how you should believe him, otherwise you are a “cracker.” Would you really want to read materials liberally peppered with such labels, often from the first paragraph? This approach provokes swearing. Are there any substantive arguments? Please speak up.
    Remember this joke? There is no need to immediately tell the person who comes to you that he is; maybe he just came in to have some tea.
    Negativity needs to be removed, to each one for himself. Then the overall level will increase. Well or not, it is not in our power. Good luck to you and the site.
  76. 0
    29 July 2021 06: 32
    I try not to comment on articles. Often the comments are in the nature of a showdown. And no one is interested in what the author wrote anymore
  77. 0
    30 July 2021 00: 33
    Quote: AAG
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Can't you open a "mirror" of the site for the CIS countries? And single comments from different countries with auto-translation ...


    I would like to. They are working on this, as well as on their own network for communication, but everything is very difficult there. Therefore, only to gain patience.

    hi I would very much like that, Roman. After all, there are fewer not only Israelis, but also from other countries in general. To my mind.??? And this is very important. People's diplomacy.
    Of course, I would like forum users from the former USSR to visit VO more often.

    Although not addressed to me, let me join. (?)
    On the post-Soviet, and further territories, and so there are not many, not that pro-Russian, pro-Soviet people (we will leave the reasons outside the scope of discussion, if you don’t mind), so if they find the courage to write something here, some of them also spread rot idiots, not even listening! knowingly, without argumentation, purely emotionally, turning people away from, against Russia, its people. (((...

    I agree 100%! I----what can I do? Only ++++++. And it doesn’t always work out, because we don’t have time to read everything.
  78. 0
    30 July 2021 22: 46
    As I understand it, it was a cry from the heart.
    In general I agree. In some places, no.
    The site is behaving strangely.
    By the way, I also began to lose interest in him.
    I visit now more out of habit.
    But habits change. However.
  79. 0
    1 August 2021 12: 18
    Hello ! The ones who make the most noise are not those who have something substantive to say, but others, but it is those who make the loudest noise that create a certain atmosphere - both in VO and in the political arena. This is subjective.

    From the objective, of course, the quantitative composition of the audience has increased, there is a gradual change of generations, if you want cultural codes, hence, as a consequence, the nature of the audience, its demands and the way people express their opinions are changing. The failure in education of the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s will ricochet across our country for at least another 30 years. More precisely, not a failure, but a consistently pursued policy in the economy and education, and by no one unknown, but by the Government of the Russian Federation (after all, it was not aliens who prepared and implemented all these Decisions and Decrees). It’s just that when the salary of a candidate of technical sciences at a university and the salary of a barista - a person brewing coffee at a coffee machine, in the capital of the Urals - Yekaterinburg, is 30000 rubles, then objectively society and the Government are showing true priorities. Everything else is empty slogans. And in such a situation, the growth of the quality of that very human capital, which is often and tirelessly spoken from high tribunes, is possible only in spite of, and not thanks to. Hence, the quality and level of the average audience decreases massively.
    It’s trite, but the majority of Russians are getting poorer, this causes an increase in their tension and people splash it out on those who create something and cannot threaten at least physical violence against those who are rude. This is the misfortune of these people, tortured by living conditions, but, of course, it is more difficult for everyone to be in such an environment.
    In our country, in general, the culture of listening, arguing one’s position, analyzing texts, the words of others, and negotiating skills are poorly developed. (my opinion, private, subjective)