"May be the best option for upgrading the Vietnamese Air Force": the prospects of the Russian Checkmate fighter are being evaluated abroad

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The day before, in Zhukovsky near Moscow, as reported by "Voennoye Obozreniye", a presentation of a promising Russian light single-engine fighter took place. He was introduced as The Checkmate, which can be translated into Russian as "Checkmate". At the same time, representatives of the developer noted that it takes time to assess the reaction to the aircraft with the numbers 75 on board. These figures were explained by the fact that the company "Sukhoi" considers The Checkmate as an addition to the fifth generation fighter Su-57, and the figures themselves "are happy for the company."

The presentation of a promising Russian fighter was reacted abroad. Vietnamese military experts noted that if the basic version of the new generation of Russian light fighter aircraft does not cost more than $ 50 million, then this "may be the best option for updating the Vietnamese Air Force in the medium term."



The American channel CNN drew attention to the fact that the plane in the KLA is positioned as "inconspicuous" with a combat radius of about 1,5 thousand km. Referring to the opinion of experts, American reporters in the story say that this aircraft is primarily export-oriented. It is indicated that "it is fundamentally important for Russia to receive a package of foreign orders." At the same time, the US media says that already in their presentation, Rostec and the United Aircraft Corporation of Russia designated those countries and regions of the world where The Checkmate can be delivered.

These are the Middle East (for example, the UAE), Southeast Asia (Vietnam), South America (for example, Argentina).

The foreign press drew attention to the fact that a promising Russian fighter can be operated without special airfield equipment. Operation can also be carried out at high-altitude aerodromes. This option may be fundamentally interesting to India, which previously withdrew from the joint project with the Russian Federation of the fifth generation FGFA aircraft, and now faces serious technological difficulties in the implementation of its own AMCA project.

Against this background, the West started talking about the fact that if the Russian fighter The Checkmate arouses real consumer demand, this could lead to a new use of sanctions. As an example, the CAATSA package is given, with which the Americans frighten countries cooperating with the Russian Federation in the military-technical sphere.
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  1. +11
    21 July 2021 08: 40
    It looks mostly like export and is aimed at
    1. +9
      21 July 2021 08: 54
      Quote: Cowbra
      It looks mostly like export and is aimed at

      How the airplane shot! I have not yet flown, but I have already fired, joyfully, ah, please!
      1. +6
        21 July 2021 10: 08
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        How the airplane shot! I have not yet flown, but I have already fired, joyfully, ah, please!

        Marketers have worked out the market ... laughing that's why he shot.
        1. +12
          21 July 2021 11: 54
          Here I am not a marketer, but for more than 10 years I have been expressing the opinion that a successful export of Russia needs a cheap (and therefore single-engine) multifunctional fighter to replace the MiG-21, Su-22, Mirages in third world countries.
          1. +1
            21 July 2021 16: 28
            UEC started working normally relatively recently.
            For such a fighter, the engine is the basis of everything. hi
      2. +2
        21 July 2021 10: 12
        Yes .. The guys started quickly.
      3. +16
        21 July 2021 10: 43
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        How the airplane shot!

        The airplane has not fired yet, but an advertising company, which is 3 days old.
        And the airplane will shoot, firstly - when it flies, and secondly - when serial production is established, at least 5 pieces per month.
        In the meantime - another noisy presentation, as well as about the "Armata", the Su-57, of which only a few years ago.
        PS: Of course, you need to make presentations, but you also need to establish production.
        With this we have, unfortunately ...
        1. -3
          21 July 2021 10: 48

          count it and not yet
        2. +2
          21 July 2021 10: 52
          Quote: barclay
          And the airplane will shoot, firstly - when it flies, and secondly - when serial production is established, at least 5 pieces per month.
          Yes, but what about the customer who has already invested in the development of the project, as described in the previous article? What was not even close with the Su-57 and Armata, do not count the wagging and shuffling of the Indians. So I already shot it, not yet flying.
        3. -2
          21 July 2021 13: 51
          Under the cloak he looked much better, more solid.
      4. 0
        21 July 2021 16: 27
        How the airplane shot! I have not yet flown, but I have already fired, joyfully, ah, please!

        Judging by the number of your minuses, there are a dozen of those on the site who are very upset by our joy!
        But this did not diminish the joy. On the contrary. drinks
      5. 0
        23 July 2021 22: 00
        What did he shoot then? Cheap Russian worthless marketing. The name is poppy, who could think of such a thing? just how everything is omitted. There were also designers in Soviet times. And now there are only effective managers and effective worthless marketing.
    2. +6
      21 July 2021 09: 21
      In principle, making such an aircraft is not so difficult, which means it will be fast.
      Despite the announcement, there is not so much fundamentally new there. Rather, almost nothing.
      All avionics, avionics, electrical mechanics have already been developed and tested on the same SU57. All that remains is the fuselage as such from ready-made materials and with almost ready-made aerodynamics, with the exception of some specific nuances of the single-engine.
      Almost a construction set for children, take the blocks and add them as you need them.
      1. +18
        21 July 2021 09: 27
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Almost a construction set for children, take the blocks and add them as you need them.

        In this case, the United States did not even reach this:

        After F-22, fold the cubes into 900 jambs of F-35 and 20 years to fix it - and not fix it wassat
        1. 0
          21 July 2021 09: 29
          There are too many fundamentally new things in Fu35 that were not in Fu22.
          1. +20
            21 July 2021 09: 31
            Do you remember what the meaning of the F-35 was? F-22s were unaffordable in price. Something cheaper was required, but not too much worse. Will you pick up an epithet yourself about those who blinded the F-35 instead? And then the bath is reluctant wink
            1. +4
              21 July 2021 09: 53
              Quote: Cowbra
              Do you remember what the meaning of the F-35 was?

              Everyone remembers.
              The main thing is that they do not follow the same crooked path in "Sukhoi".
              1. -3
                21 July 2021 10: 25
                Quote: Jacket in stock
                Quote: Cowbra
                Do you remember what the meaning of the F-35 was?

                Everyone remembers.
                The main thing is that they do not follow the same crooked path in "Sukhoi".


                The Su-75 will most likely have an engine from the Su-35, as I understand it. It has already been mastered in production and is not expensive. There will be no engine problems unlike the F-35.
                The vehicle will be equipped with a highly efficient power plant. "The engine will be in the 14,5-16 t class. This engine is made on the basis of the groundwork of the United Engine Corporation, and will be even more advanced on this aircraft," said Alexei Bulatov, Deputy Chief Designer of Checkmate, during the presentation of the machine.

                https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11947075

                It will be inexpensive unlike the F-35.
                . The price of the newest Russian light tactical fighter Checkmate will be in the range from $ 25 million to $ 30 million. This was announced by the head of Rostec Sergey Chemezov within the framework of the International Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS-2021), RIA Novosti reports.

                “And we [the price will be] $ 25-30 million,” he said, comparing the price of the new Russian fighter with foreign counterparts.

                Read more at RBC:
                https://www.rbc.ru/politics/20/07/2021/60f6f6fd9a794717fed115e6


                Yes, and no one will delay over time.
                ... The newest Russian light tactical fighter Checkmate was designed on a computer in record time, said General Director of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar at a presentation at the MAKS-2021 air show, the VZGLYAD newspaper correspondent reports.

                “The project is still a record in terms of timing - the project is just over a year old,” said Slyusar. He noted that this was achieved thanks to "super computerized digital modeling and virtual testing."

                According to Slyusar, Checkmate should be of interest to the Russian Aerospace Forces.

                “Undoubtedly, a supersonic unmanned fighter jet, in our opinion, will arouse the interest of a potential customer, including our own VKS,” he said.

                According to the general director of the UAC, "the plane will fly in 2023." Slyusar stressed that “this is a sample, this is not just a model, not just a demonstrator. Here he will rise into the air. " Static tests will be completed in less than a year.

                In turn, the general director of the Rostec state corporation, Sergei Chemezov, told RIA Novosti that Checkmate would be able to carry up to five air-to-air missiles and other ammunition in the internal fuselage compartments.

                https://m.vz.ru/news/2021/7/20/1109959.html
            2. +8
              21 July 2021 10: 17
              Quote: Cowbra
              Do you remember what the meaning of the F-35 was? F-22s were unaffordable in price. Something cheaper was required, but not too much worse. Will you pick up an epithet yourself about those who blinded the F-35 instead? And then the bath is reluctant wink

              With f35, they were specific, another general mechanic, history does not seem to teach, how many times have already tried to go this way and not only the Americans, the result has always been the same. As for our development, they have tempered the ardor and did not put universalization at the forefront. Here, with modularity ...., maybe I don't understand it that way, but to combine, for example, the characteristics of an attack aircraft and an interceptor in one design, no matter how the modules are added.
              1. +3
                21 July 2021 10: 26
                Quote: NIKNN
                Here with modularity ...

                You know, I understand that. It happens that fighters are driven from despair to strike on the ground, you don't have to go far - there are dill in the Donbass. A single-engine one is cheaper in flight time, although, of course, it will never stand next to an attack aircraft precisely for work on the ground. Well, I guess that's the point. On the other hand - nafig always carry too much?
                1. +3
                  21 July 2021 11: 09
                  Well, we had precedents when the Mig17 (later this concept was carried out as the Mig-21, the Su-7,17 Mig27 ....) was used as an attack aircraft, they called it the IBA, then all the same they came to the Su25. So far, for this device, even real photos are few (everything seems to be not up to the end) At first glance, it confuses a lot (but this is apparently due to lack of information) With the air intakes (there were claims of not very competent) everything is very normal, designed competently ... Me strains a sliding lamp ... it seems to have already passed and refused .. well, the thrust-to-weight ratio (at the level of the Mig 21 BIS) is not enough for super-maneuverability. For now, everything else, as information becomes available. My opinion such a plane is needed
    3. -2
      21 July 2021 10: 06
      If you listened to what Slyusar said at the airplane performance, then this is so.
    4. +5
      21 July 2021 10: 08
      Quote: Cowbra
      It looks mostly like export and is aimed at


      Once the Su-30MKI was also only for export, and then our military liked it, but already in the version of the Su-30SM. The Su-57 is expensive and will not be adopted in large quantities (several hundred), the Su-75 will come in handy here, because it is cheaper and it will make a massive workhorse with stealth technology and modern bells and whistles. Su-75 is very promising.
    5. +1
      21 July 2021 11: 57
      The head of the UAC Yuri Slyusar clearly said that the LTS is being developed on an initiative basis. There is no request from the RF VKR for it. Shoigu was absent from the presentation to Putin. I believe that the success of the LTS program strongly depends on the participation of potential customers in its financing. Perhaps then the Russian Aerospace Forces will catch up when the prospects for LTS are clearer.
      1. 0
        21 July 2021 13: 59
        Direct quote
        According to Slyusar, Checkmate should be of interest to the Russian Aerospace Forces.

        “Undoubtedly, a supersonic unmanned fighter jet, in our opinion, will arouse the interest of a potential customer, including our own VKS,” he said.

        https://m.vz.ru/news/2021/7/20/1109959.html
    6. +3
      21 July 2021 16: 11
      Quote: Cowbra
      It looks mostly like export and is aimed at

      ======
      That is, our VKS does not need a light, inexpensive fighter, built with the use of "stealth" technologies, from the word AT ALL?
      There is of course the Su-57, but it's expensive ...
      But the concept of "heavy + light fighter" was implemented even during the creation of the Su-27 and MiG-29. True, then it was not possible to fulfill the requirement: "a light fighter - twice cheaper than heavy ", because the MiG-29 was only 1.5 times cheaper than the Su-27, but nevertheless, this particular" bundle "went into production ...
      Today the situation is similar: we actually have a 5th generation heavy fighter, but with a light one - request what
      Considering that the estimated cost of the 57th is, according to some estimates, approx. $ 80 million, and the estimated cost of the new car was announced in the region of $ 30 million, it turns out, just what the "doctor ordered"!
      1. +1
        21 July 2021 17: 32
        There is a moment-35 and they will buy it now. And it seems like they are also developing a new aircraft for a moment.
        If they roll out their sample for a moment, it will be interesting.
        1. 0
          21 July 2021 17: 39
          Quote: Herman 4223
          There is a moment-35 and they will buy it now.

          =======
          Well, this is a temporary measure, until a new light fighter appears, which also needs to fill the niche of light fighters ...
          And the MiG-35 - whatever one may say - is a "half measure", unfortunately ...
          1. +1
            21 July 2021 18: 36
            Well, not everything is so bad in a moment. Its speed and maneuverability is better than that of the new toy. And it costs a billion rubles, which is not expensive.
            The most interesting question is what will happen to this very niche of light fighters, now it essentially does not exist. There are almost no mig-29 regiments and squadrons left.
            1. +1
              22 July 2021 13: 27
              Quote: Herman 4223
              Well, not everything is so bad in a moment. Its speed and maneuverability is better than that of the new toy.

              =======
              Consonant! But here's what New car will have practically the same characteristics (as the MiG-35), but at the same time very low ESR[/ i] (about an order of magnitude smaller!); This is WHERE to do with it?
              Here I am - ABOUT THE SAME!
              I really love MiG-29 and all the machines created on its basis ...
              BUT! This car is already outdated (both technically and morally!) ... It's a pity !!!
              A new car is the FUTURE! And the MiG-29/35 - Alas! This is [i] the past
              !
              I really hope that the 29th / 35th will take their WORTHY place in the history of aviation! soldier
              1. +1
                22 July 2021 13: 32
                New models of the moment that were at the exhibition in the form of models do not inspire optimism either. It looks like the end of KB.
                1. 0
                  22 July 2021 13: 48
                  Quote: Herman 4223
                  New models of the moment that were at the exhibition in the form of models do not inspire optimism either. It looks like the end of KB.

                  ========
                  I frankly "minus" you, because I BELIEVE in "Mikoyan Design Bureau" .... Well, also because I know: "Migovtsy" are developing a new PAK-DP (to replace the MiG-31!). So, I am SURE: IT'S EARLY BURNING the famous KB!
                  hi soldier
                  1. +1
                    22 July 2021 14: 10
                    Well, only if this project gets them out. But take a look at their light fighter models. A duck ship and a single engine that looks clearly less advanced than the new dryer.
                    1. +1
                      22 July 2021 14: 58
                      Quote: Herman 4223
                      Well, only if this project gets them out. But take a look at their light fighter models. A duck ship and a single engine that looks clearly less advanced than the new dryer.

                      ========
                      Alas! Today - KB "Su" - looks much more "serious" than "Mikoyanovskoe" .... But for some reason it seems to me that they have not yet said "their last word" !!!
                      1. +1
                        22 July 2021 21: 56
                        They have to work, and then everything will be serious. Not worse than dry.
      2. +3
        22 July 2021 14: 50
        On the one hand, it is bad that the Ministry of Defense does not finance this project and does not participate in its creation, but on the other hand, this allows the UAC not to bother with the specific requirements of the RF Aerospace Forces.
        For example, potential foreign customers do not need the possibility of using nuclear weapons, operation at unprepared airfields, storage in the open air and at extremely low temperatures.
  2. -24
    21 July 2021 08: 40
    What they didn’t tell us about Skolkovo, Superjet, Armata, Boomerang ...
    Now the same songs about Checkmate.
    And where is the plane?
    1. +8
      21 July 2021 08: 52
      And what's wrong with Skolkovo, Armata, Superjet and Boomerang?
      Share information, I'm not in the know, just.
      1. -27
        21 July 2021 09: 00
        Do they exist? Layouts, samples - yes.
        Is it real?
        Where is PAK YES, where is the aircraft carrier "Leader", where is the submarine with VNEU, where are 25 million jobs?
        In the same place as Checkmate.
        Russia does not and will not have a global sales market.
        And without it, all of the things I have listed are projections, not projects.
        I understand your patriotism, but it's better to look at everything not through rose-colored glasses.
        1. +24
          21 July 2021 09: 10
          You mean Skolkovo (it has been functioning and has been bringing good profits for 3 years already), armature (terms announced), Superjet (it flies very well!), Boomerang just like Armata. I asked about them. You gave me a bunch of other options. But my question was not answered.
          Set aside the tantrum. Russia will have everything.
          1. -16
            21 July 2021 09: 13
            For the Skolkovo “Panama” for a long time and for a long time, very many have to go to the stage with Medvedev at the head.
            There is more milk from the goat than from Skolkovo. From there all the investors have long been piled up. Only adventurers and crooks remained. Do not agree? Name at least one significant Skolkovo development?
            1. +16
              21 July 2021 09: 26
              You are lying very rudely now. I can name a medical cluster with which I had to intersect at work. In addition to production from consoles and clean rooms to tomographs, a medical cluster is being built there (in fact, on which I worked with Skolkovo). Search and testing of new types of treatment and equipment. This information is open. Skolkovo is expanding a lot.
              You are probably accustomed to investing a ruble and you will be in a year or two. In fundamental research it does not work that way! You can invest there for decades without return (for example, the same medical cluster lied when it paid dividends, but there is a simplified system for the introduction of new equipment, for experimental methods of treatment, without registration, and other goodies that make it possible to research the latest methods of treatment and diagnostics, they invite world leaders there in diagnostic equipment and they are very good at)
              And people like you will always scream that this is a failure. Because it doesn't make a profit. And I would like to remind you that throughout the entire complex, the skolkovo-profit has long been and is not small. Despite the fact that this is not what the whole garden was fenced for.
              1. -13
                21 July 2021 09: 39
                In order to create, or rather to produce a long-ago invented tomograph, it was not worth creating Skolkovo. There were a dime a dozen of underutilized enterprises with research teams and production bases across the country.
                But this was not suitable for cutting budget funds.
                And then the "sawmill" called Skolkovo was born. For the money that was plundered there, it was possible to create a lot, in addition to tomographs.
                And in this you will not convince me.
                1. +11
                  21 July 2021 09: 44
                  Are you versed in the manufacture of tomographs? How is MRI and computed tomography different? A PET tomography ??? (By the way, PET is about antimatter, there was an article about warp engines recently on VO, so by the way)))
                  And you certainly know how to build them without Skolkovo.
                  But I will remind you that I wrote about a medical cluster with the possibility of operational research (without a list of the regulatory framework approved in Russia, if it is simpler without obtaining RI) and approbation of new methods in research and treatment and medicines. As well as new medical equipment and supplies.
            2. +5
              21 July 2021 09: 54
              It's good that there are fewer and fewer such people who do not notice all the good things in Russia.
              This is the first page of Skolkovo's financial report for 2020, you are not interested in reading this.
          2. +10
            21 July 2021 09: 22
            Quote: A009
            Set aside the tantrum. Russia will have everything.


            We already have a lot. And there will be even more Yes
            1. 0
              21 July 2021 10: 10
              hi We look above, more than $ 1 billion in rubles, the financial result of Skolkovo, this is not for them.
        2. +21
          21 July 2021 09: 17
          Quote: prior
          Where is PAK YES


          PAK YES - under design.

          Quote: prior
          where is the aircraft carrier "Leader"


          Who promised you such? belay

          Quote: prior
          Russia does not and will not have a global sales market.




          Why are you lying so shamelessly? Looking for what?
          Lies are easily verified and refuted.
          1. -20
            21 July 2021 09: 32
            If you decipher what you are demonstrating, it is, frankly, the remnants of the Soviet legacy.
            For which thanks to the "damned" communists.
            1. +14
              21 July 2021 09: 35
              Quote: prior
              If you decipher what you are demonstrating, it is, frankly, the remnants of the Soviet legacy.


              Well, yes, and the US share in the arms trade is directly related to the legacy of slavery. wassat
              1. -11
                21 July 2021 09: 47
                Convinced.
                The United States only sells its weapons to everyone in a fair and competitive struggle.
                The most democratic country simply cannot do otherwise.
                1. +4
                  21 July 2021 11: 25
                  Apparently you yourself are wearing pink glasses, moreover, in opaque glasses, where on the inside it is written, something like "The USA is the best, Raska sucks!" (forgive me for the word "Rashka")
            2. +7
              21 July 2021 11: 49
              Do you really think that the 30-year legacy of the USSR will interest someone in armaments. The maximum number of machines for Africa, but this is not the 2nd place in the world ranking of supplies. And on the subject of fair competition, doesn't the US impose sanctions on the purchase of Russian weapons? (India, Turkey, and how many of those who refused due to threats, for example Indonesia)
              Now let's pretend the competition is fair. No one has been punished for the Russian weapon and its purchase. How much would Russia's portfolio grow? And, I repeat, you are saying that 30-year-old (this is the minimum) technology will interest someone in the modern world? Maybe all the same weapons are modern and competitive ??
        3. +3
          21 July 2021 10: 46
          Quote: prior
          Do they exist? Layouts, samples - yes.
          Is it real?
          Where is PAK YES, where is the aircraft carrier "Leader", where is the submarine with VNEU, where are 25 million jobs?
          In the same place as Checkmate.
          Russia does not and will not have a global sales market.
          And without it, all of the things I have listed are projections, not projects.
          I understand your patriotism, but it's better to look at everything not through rose-colored glasses.


          The Su-75 is not particularly similar to the layout. According to the general director of the UAC, "the plane will fly in 2023." Slyusar stressed that “this is a sample, it is not just a model, not just a demonstrator. Here he will rise into the air. " And judging by the photo of the Su-75, there is some truth in his words.



          http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/142413/
      2. -24
        21 July 2021 09: 10
        Quote: A009
        And what's wrong with Skolkovo, Armata, Superjet and Boomerang?
        Share information, I'm not in the know, just.

        In fact, they are not there, there is only empty chatter. The Superjet can hardly be called Russian.
        1. +9
          21 July 2021 09: 11
          Why is it difficult to call the superjet Russian ???
          1. -16
            21 July 2021 09: 13
            Quote: A009
            Why is it difficult to call the superjet Russian ???

            Is there a lot of Russian?
            1. +14
              21 July 2021 09: 15
              Almost 55%. It was created in integration. That hurt us and backfired. Now we are doing it ourselves (MS-21) But that made it Russian or worse. In civil aviation, as far as I understand, this is a frequent phenomenon, integration.
              1. +10
                21 July 2021 09: 29
                Quote: lis-ik
                Is there a lot of Russian?

                The plane is Russian.
                It (the plane) was designed and built in Russia.

                Airbus and Boeing as well as all other aircraft are assembled from components produced in different parts of the world. There are also Russian components in them.
                Nevertheless, everyone calls Boeing American, and EU airbuses.

                Su is a 100 percent Russian plane.
                An airplane is not a set of components.
                An airplane is a finished product.
                And it (the plane) was made in Russia.

                For those who are on an armored train:

                The brick was made in Germany, and the house was built by Ivan Ivanovich in Ryazan.
                The project of the house is the work of a Russian architect.
                The builders are all Russian.

                Whose house?
            2. +10
              21 July 2021 09: 25
              Quote: lis-ik
              Is there a lot of Russian?

              No less than German in Airbus or Canadian in Bombardier.
              The Superjet was immediately conceived as a project of maximum cooperation, because at that time we very much believed that everyone wanted to be friends with us.
              1. -8
                21 July 2021 10: 13
                Quote: Jacket in stock
                Quote: lis-ik
                Is there a lot of Russian?

                No less than German in Airbus or Canadian in Bombardier.
                The Superjet was immediately conceived as a project of maximum cooperation, because at that time we very much believed that everyone wanted to be friends with us.


                The point is not in cooperation - but in the almost constant (already 10 years) unprofitable operation of it.
                All, absolutely all of our airlines that receive the Superjet in the state receive huge compensation from the state (namely the state !!!) for the downtime of these aircraft.

                All foreign customers have returned their Superjets.

                Have you tried to run the economy in such a way that you would spend more than you earn?
                And 10 years in a row?
                This is nonsense for all civil aviation.
                It was created to be profitable, not to generate losses!

                The situation with the maintenance and repair of Superjets can change at best in 3-5 years.
                Sukhoi needs 15 years to understand that the plane is bullshit, but the maintenance of this plane is a hundredfold more important!
                1. -3
                  21 July 2021 10: 46
                  All, absolutely all of our airlines that receive the Superjet in the state receive huge compensation from the state (namely the state !!!)

                  And Boeing and Airbus get help at the manufacturing stage.
                  We must look at the total.
                  It's just that their profit is generated in one link of the chain, in ours in another.
                  1. -1
                    21 July 2021 11: 06
                    Quote: Jacket in stock
                    All, absolutely all of our airlines that receive the Superjet in the state receive huge compensation from the state (namely the state !!!)

                    And Boeing and Airbus get help at the manufacturing stage.
                    We must look at the total.
                    It's just that their profit is generated in one link of the chain, in ours in another.


                    In which - let's continue ...
                2. +1
                  21 July 2021 12: 10
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  It's not about cooperation, but about the almost constant (already 10 years) unprofitable operation of it.

                  Your data is out of date. It has become very popular in Russia. And we decided with the service.
                  1. -1
                    21 July 2021 13: 54
                    Quote: Mountain Shooter
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    It's not about cooperation, but about the almost constant (already 10 years) unprofitable operation of it.

                    Your data is out of date. It has become very popular in Russia. And we decided with the service.


                    Have you seen a Superjet in RedWings livery at MAKS?

                    Read on interfax a completely new interview with the head of this airline on July 19 this year.
                    https://www.interfax.ru/interview/778547

                    Quotes:
                    "Red Wings a positive the image of this aircraft, but the success of the project will depend on from the level of service preparation and the amount of state support, says the CEO of the company Evgeny Klyucharev. "


                    How many of your regional Superjet flights are currently subsidized under government decree 1242?

                    - About 65% of routes are subsidized, about 35% are carried out on a commercial basis.


                    - But do you admit that when you start operating the MS-21, financial risks may arise?

                    - At the beginning of the operation of a new type of any airlineState support is needed. If MS-21 is supported as SSJ100, it is quite possible to operate it without loss..
                    1. -1
                      21 July 2021 14: 08
                      https://zen.me/8H5wj
                      Here is more detailed.
        2. +3
          21 July 2021 09: 49
          Is Boeing American? There you can choose to install the engine, incl. English and French. By the way, the French are in great demand. Many other foreign components. Airbus has an assembly plant in China, being developed all over Europe, including Austria for example. We wanted to enter Western markets, and that's why we attracted foreign firms. It didn't work out very well, but the Superjet flies in Mexico, Ireland, where our planes have never been. But the logistics are lame, and therefore the success is very limited. And the competition in this class is high, although Brazil and Canada do not make their own cars either. And this applies not only to the engine.
          1. -3
            21 July 2021 10: 16
            Quote: URAL72
            but the Superjet flies in Mexico, Ireland, where our planes have never been. But the logistics are lame, and therefore the success is very limited. And the competition in this class is high, although Brazil and Canada also do not make their own cars on their own. And this applies not only to the engine.


            Superjets have not been flying there for a very long time.
            Sukhoi immediately "made it clear" that there would be no regulations or spare parts. And the planes will stay on the ground for weeks.
            Accordingly, all contracts were terminated and the planes were returned to leasing companies .. To Russia.
            1. +1
              21 July 2021 13: 46
              It's funny that you get negative for facts.
              1. +1
                21 July 2021 14: 05
                Quote: PontiffSulyvahn
                It's funny that you get negative for facts.


                these are paid bots.
                they come running as if on command and run away the same way.
                Real tech topics don't have them.

                For example, in none of the many cycles (one of the few remaining on this resource) by the high-quality technical reviewer S. Linnik (aka Bongo), you will not see any of the uryakaloks and capshoppers ...
                1. +1
                  21 July 2021 14: 12
                  Perhaps some of them are bots, but most of them are still living people. Without brains, it’s true if reality is denied. No matter how anyone treats the superjet, the fact is the fact - they stopped using it abroad.
            2. +4
              25 July 2021 11: 07
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Quote: URAL72
              Superjet flies in Mexico, Ireland
              Superjets do not fly there ...

              Which is very unpleasant ... I had a chance to chat with a representative of the Irish Aviation Authority, he was just in charge of SSJ: in principle, they were satisfied ... But the guys from the company cursed him for what it was worth: a lot of refusals, disgusting supply of spare parts and even that, that he was certified for London City did not save the situation: they worked for other companies and this is a continuous loss. When do they promise a new SuperJet there? Hopefully they can handle it
    2. -14
      21 July 2021 09: 09
      Quote: prior
      What they didn’t tell us about Skolkovo, Superjet, Armata, Boomerang ...
      Now the same songs about Checkmate.
      And where is the plane?

      And now the fashion has gone, that in the VO, that all over the country, to brag about what is not there. People have completely lost touch with reality.
      1. +15
        21 July 2021 09: 17
        It's good that there are people like you. Tied by steel ropes to reality. And slogans pouring into direct arguments.
        1. -13
          21 July 2021 09: 45
          Quote: A009
          It's good that there are people like you. Tied by steel ropes to reality. And slogans pouring into direct arguments.

          Here is a direct argument-question for you. Why should a state corporation hold a presentation in search of buyers for further financing for the sake of releasing a new aircraft, and this is in a country where there are huge natural resources that are successfully sold and huge amounts of money are raised? Maybe because the main profit ends up in the pockets of friends and, moreover, now all can, quite officially, remain abroad? And you have these slogans, praising the corrupt regime.
          1. +9
            21 July 2021 10: 03
            What kind of nonsense was it written now? That is, should not have presented an aircraft that was exported from birth?
            Let me remind you that this aircraft was created on an initiative basis. The Ministry of Defense did not apply for it. The press release says that the plane is for export. But if our Ministry of Defense is interested, then there will be supplies to our market. It is simpler and weaker equipped than the 57th. And how do you think the EXPORT plane should have been presented from the very beginning ?????
          2. -2
            21 July 2021 14: 18
            Do you understand what you wrote yourself?
    3. -15
      21 July 2021 09: 11
      And where is the plane?


      Waiting for a sucker who will pay for the development. There is no doubt about the Il-114. And even then only because the Soviet groundwork and was already produced in Tashkent. And there is some kind of internal market, but there is. If they still put pressure on the carriers, making a barrier to imported used old, then the MC will have a chance. And from the real for 30 years, only modifications of the old, but the Su-57 still will not be born.
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    5. 0
      22 July 2021 20: 25
      Skolkovo is, as it were. I don't know about the real effectiveness, but it does something and it definitely exists.
  3. +1
    21 July 2021 08: 47
    ***
    During interrogation, only I asked:
    "Who is the pilot who shot me down?"
    And the slanted answered me
    What commanded the interrogation:
    “Our pilot Li Xi Qing shot you down” ...
    ***
    1. -14
      21 July 2021 08: 57
      Whether there were any si chins knocked down there. The Vietnamese worked there and quite successfully because the desire was to fight and win. They are not Arabs. They are only good at extinguishing each other. But with a worthy opponent it doesn't work.
    2. 0
      21 July 2021 15: 22
      Well, ka minusovshchik justify your minuses) And tell me where in Vietnam the Soviet pilot shot down at least one plane) Sparka, which left the crew unarmed and without fuel, I will not even remember. This is the only military case of the participation of our pilots. And it’s just an accident that we ran into the Americans and) I’m waiting for explanations.)
  4. +2
    21 July 2021 08: 48
    In the place of Vietnam, I would buy only Russian weapons, considering how much we have done for them.
    1. +2
      21 July 2021 09: 02
      Quote: Artemion3
      In the place of Vietnam, I would buy only Russian weapons, considering how much we have done for them.

      The purchase of weapons is more a political step than an economic one. That is why the Americans are finishing off the governments of countries and putting up their puppets. For example, Ukraine, Iraq.
      1. mvg
        +4
        21 July 2021 09: 43
        Example Ukraine, Iraq

        Then Iraq with the "pro-American" government ... buys Russian tanks, Ukrainian armored personnel carriers, fires missiles at the remaining bases, passes the IRGC through its territory, and finally expels the Americans themselves winked Something went wrong.
        And Ukraine buys Turkish (and the US is in contradiction with Turkey) drones, invites Polish mercenaries and almost sells Motor Sich to China .. again something is wrong.
        Afiget.
        1. +1
          21 July 2021 09: 49
          Quote: mvg
          Then Iraq with the "pro-American" government ... buys Russian tanks, Ukrainian armored personnel carriers, fires missiles at the remaining bases, passes the IRGC through its territory, and finally expels the Americans themselves

          Look at the overall level of purchases before writing. Iraqi purchased US weapons in the region of 11,6 billion, and Russian weapons in the region of 1,12 billion.
          1. mvg
            0
            21 July 2021 10: 01
            There is something to talk about

            And what, someone else buys rossiyskte planes on the BV, and all over the world, like the American ones? Algeria, Egypt, India (licensed) and that's it. A couple of three pieces per year. The total volume is a dozen or two. And the US sells hundreds of them a year. And the "terrible" Penguin, and F-16 and F-15 and F-18, left and right. And one plane is 20 tankchoffs for the money. That's the difference in numbers.
        2. +1
          21 July 2021 10: 00
          Quote: mvg
          Then Iraq with a "pro-American" government .. buys Russian tanks, Ukrainian armored personnel carriers


          With Ukrainian armored personnel carriers you got excited.
          Yes, Iraq ordered them, even some consignment was delivered there by sea, but the Iraqis refused to accept the equipment due to the glaring defects of the armored hulls - marriage.
          And it still seems to have happened in the pre-Maid, "normal" Ukraine.
    2. -1
      21 July 2021 10: 51
      Quote: Artemion3
      considering how much we have done for them

      The Viet have their brains and their reasons. And it is unlikely that gratitude for the help once rendered is among the priorities. They need to think about how to live on, and not remember how it was. Now they do not disdain to be friends with the Americans, China is nearby, it is more terrible.
      1. 0
        21 July 2021 12: 07
        It means that we helped them then in vain
        1. +2
          21 July 2021 12: 10
          Quote: Artemion3
          It means that we helped them then in vain

          That was then.
          And now we have now.
          And life is different, and we ourselves are different, and our former wards are also forced to live differently.
  5. +9
    21 July 2021 08: 50
    the CAATSA package, which the Americans use to frighten countries cooperating with the Russian Federation in the military-technical sphere.

    This is how "the world's best F-35" is made. hi
    1. +8
      21 July 2021 08: 57
      They have this package universal. If something is not bought from them, but is bought from another country, this law comes out like parsley out of the box: the country becomes an enemy of America, its products are doused in mud by all means, spokes are put in the wheels, sanctions are imposed.
      Nothing personal, business, yeah ... Only business is not played by the rules. More precisely, they rewrite them for themselves with amazing speed.
      1. +2
        21 July 2021 08: 59
        You can't play with cheaters.
        And who will cheat - we will beat him in the face.
        On a brazen, red face.
    2. +4
      21 July 2021 09: 00
      In Lockheed, it is a characteristic trait to sell at any cost, even if it is outright junk. I'm not for lightning. I'm for a starfighter. But it looks like lightning has gone not far from him. A lot of talk, but in fact, expensive and not so good
  6. 0
    21 July 2021 08: 50
    Perhaps the future of this aircraft will be good.
  7. -1
    21 July 2021 08: 54
    I will not say about the device, but I noticed that the name is not Russian ... But why be surprised if we are okay, a car especially for the domestic market is smeared all over with Latin letters. They do this only when they don't respect themselves, and it's sad ...
  8. -3
    21 July 2021 08: 55
    It is indicated that "it is fundamentally important for Russia to receive a package of foreign orders."
    There will be an airplane, and in principle it already exists - there will be a buyer.
    Vietnamese military experts noted that if the basic version of a new generation of Russian light fighter aircraft does not cost more than $ 50 million, then this "may be the best option for updating the Vietnamese Air Force in the medium term."
    Officially announced in the range of 25 - 30 million bucks, well, they'll throw on the unforeseen heels, and a rise in prices - and take Vietnam!
    1. -1
      21 July 2021 10: 22
      Quote: aszzz888
      Officially announced in the range of 25 - 30 million bucks, well, they'll throw on the unforeseen heels, and a rise in prices - and take Vietnam!


      What kind of nonsense
      What are 25-30 million dollars?
      Where did you come up with this?



      How much does the Yak-130 cost empty, without radar, without electronic warfare with an engine for half a car - at least 15 million dollars ...
      Minimum.

      A modern AFAR radar station costs $ 10 million ...
      1. -1
        21 July 2021 10: 33

        0
        Quote: aszzz888
        Officially announced in the range of 25 - 30 million bucks, well, they'll throw on the unforeseen heels, and a rise in prices - and take Vietnam!
        What kind of nonsense
        What are 25-30 million dollars?
        Where did you come up with this?
        How much does the Yak-130 cost empty, without radar, without electronic warfare with an engine for half a car - at least 15 million dollars ...
        Minimum.
        A modern AFAR radar station costs $ 10 million ...

        Russian single-engine tactical fighter, a model of which was presented at the 2021 International Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS-2021), will cost between $ 25 and $ 30 million. The price of the new aircraft was announced to journalists by the head of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov, TASS reports.
        so who has "delirium? bully hi
        1. 0
          21 July 2021 10: 43
          [quote = aszzz888] [quote]
          [quote] Russian single-engine tactical fighter, a model of which was presented at the International Aviation and Space Salon 2021 (MAKS-2021), will cost between $ 25 and $ 30 million. The price of the new aircraft was announced to journalists by the head of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov, TASS reports.
          [/ quote] so who has "delirium? bully hi[/ Quote]


          Chemezov is delusional.
          He deliberately lies to both the president and the whole world.
          A complete liar.
          Completely incompetent.

          In his words, he just confessed to the whole world - about his complete incompetence.
          The engine for the F-35, which is produced in 180 units per year, costs 15 million dollars.
          AFAR radars cost from 8 to 24 million dollars.
          The ejection seat is already worth $ 2 million.

          How much is all new in the latest modern aircraft?
          One glass cabin costs $ 2-3 million ...

          So think for yourself.
          Head.
          Why Su-35, MiG-35, Su-30 cost well over 50 million dollars, but here the newest one with much more advanced equipment will cost 30 ????

          Chemezov is a liar and incompetent creature!
  9. -5
    21 July 2021 09: 11
    Everything. F-35 news will be supplemented by SU59 news.
    Kaoi he is super-super, how everyone wants to order him, how he can cope with F35 jokingly and how the West trembles with fear.
    Year 3, before the first flight, the PR flow is ensured ...

    Good information, however, will not wait. Everything is classified ...
  10. 0
    21 July 2021 09: 11
    In a word, CAATSA ...
  11. +6
    21 July 2021 09: 16
    I have one impression that this is being prepared by the MiG-21 of the XXI century? good
    1. +1
      21 July 2021 13: 55
      Quote: engineer74
      I have one impression that this is being prepared by the MiG-21 of the XXI century?

      Yes, I would like to see in the new fighter the successor of the ideas and capabilities that were once implemented in the concept of the MiG-21 soldier plane ...
  12. +6
    21 July 2021 09: 16
    "Checkmаte" is a stupid name for a Russian plane. The Russian language is being supplanted by leaps and bounds. And we contribute to this. Look at the names of the stores, every third makes a sign in English. It's funny and embarrassing to look at this.
    In Soviet times, "marketing" was without the participation of English, and the whole world knew it, pronounced in Russian: "Katyusha", "MiG", "Sputnik", "Gagarin", etc. Even today there are names of items in Russian, which they understand without English: "Dagger", "Vanguard", "Voevoda" "Zircon", etc. And the name "Superjet" has become a household name.
    1. +1
      21 July 2021 10: 56
      ... And they translate as "check" and "checkmate", but the catch of the English language is that it can be translated as "control pairing" ..... lol
  13. -1
    21 July 2021 09: 23
    Checkmate - whoever supports the US sanctions will not get Sukhoi.
    1. -1
      21 July 2021 09: 34
      Quote: Operator
      Checkmate - whoever supports the US sanctions will not get Sukhoi.

      Rather, on the contrary, whoever wants "dry" will receive US sanctions.
      1. -2
        21 July 2021 10: 03
        And will have a pale appearance in a military confrontation with neighbors - for example, Israel with fat F-35 penguins for $ 90 million and Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Algeria, Turkey et cetera with Checkmаte for $ 30 million bully
  14. -2
    21 July 2021 09: 33
    it is not yet known when the series will be launched, but they are already discussing who will buy it
    1. -1
      21 July 2021 12: 16
      Quote: jeka424
      it is not yet known when the series will be launched, but they are already discussing who will buy it

      An absolutely competent approach. For any product is made for something, for someone. If it doesn't need anyone, what's the point of doing it?
      1. 0
        21 July 2021 13: 29
        when production starts, and certification may already be inferior to other models
  15. -4
    21 July 2021 09: 34
    Verbiage will begin now.
    There is no plane, but there is talk of how some admired him and he scared others for 5 years
  16. 0
    21 July 2021 09: 46
    Calling a Russian plane in English? Some kind of horseradish.
  17. -3
    21 July 2021 09: 58
    Tin ... there is still NO aircraft, it will be in 4 years (at least) according to Manturov (as I understand it was about a pre-production sample), then there will be tests of the serial, cat. it will also take some time, then there will be time to create a batch, if we are talking specifically about "updating" and not about a couple of procurement samples (at least three years). So, at best, all this gimmick will happen in the early 30s, they will endure until this moment the Vietnamese? After all, there is a powerful European lobby, they don't sleep there either.
  18. -1
    21 July 2021 10: 11
    "May be the best option for upgrading the Vietnamese Air Force": the prospects of the Russian Checkmate fighter are being evaluated abroad
    Again I want to ask a logical, well-grounded question - is it too early to discuss what is / is not, on an "industrial scale" ???
  19. 0
    21 July 2021 10: 28
    A proposal for weapon marketers, instead of "check and checkmate" to call "light semi-dry". This is a joke (kind). Seriously, I am very glad that our aircraft designers are working and creating. I suppose that for the family of the Aerospace Forces, this fighter is planned to be used in the future in an unmanned version using AI and under the control of our pilots, who will be behind the "semi-dry" battle formations on the Su-57
  20. -3
    21 July 2021 10: 58
    Far from being an aviator, but arguing about what is only on "paper" is somehow silly, don't you think? (Rhetorical question)
  21. -1
    21 July 2021 13: 06
    How everyone is misinterpreting. At MAKS there was a presentation not of an airplane, but of a model of an airplane. Just a layout. And this is the difference.
  22. -1
    21 July 2021 13: 12
    We presented a model of "Chika", and he has already won everyone, the best, and so on.
    I really hope that this is not an advertising duck, but really the device that will become a mass fighter in our Aerospace Forces. We will not be able to handle the Su-57 in commercial quantities, and not in commercial quantities either. And we do not need a few cars in decades, but hundreds.
    Imagine now a VKS with a base from the MiG-15/17/19? For 2021! This means that we do not need hundreds of new aircraft, old enough, etc.
  23. 0
    22 July 2021 20: 37
    That is, we have already reached the point where we brag and put up for sale something that is essentially not there. There is the plane itself in digital form - perhaps a project, there is a plastic dummy. There is a real engine from the Su-57. Everything. The rest - either the foreigners themselves stick in the type, or we will create, do it for the customer. Everything. But they have already promoted him as the best among classmates, the price is quality .... I can say for sure - it will be cheaper (if at all when it takes off and reaches a series of orders) only in the basic version - a stupid glider with an engine and no more. With all the special stages, fancy gadgets, in order to at least somehow resist the Raphael and the Lightings, you will have to poke more equipment into it just at the price of one more - and it will cost 70-80 million dollars apiece. And what is the use of such a dear one from him? And what is the use of it - in a simplified empty configuration for $ 30 LAMA? Losing step of our "marketers". Before offering to buy something, you must first prove that the technology is competitively capable and will actually be a dangerous adversary for those who dream of committing aggression against its owners. And what Rostec presented is a dummy, which will be brought to mind for another 10 years.
  24. -1
    25 July 2021 12: 11
    Much ado about nothing. Considering that the replacement of the An-2 cannot be done for the tenth year already, the Su-57 goes to the troops in piece quantities and the international sales of the SSJ-100 have failed, there are no special hopes for the success of the sales.

    State officials work carelessly, this is the system so far.