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During the presentation at MAKS-2021, some characteristics of the single-engine Russian fighter The Checkmate were named

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During the demonstration of a promising single-engine fighter to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the characteristics of the newest combat vehicle were identified. They were reflected at the stand, to which the head of state approached to get acquainted with the new development of Sukhoi.


So, the stand shows the practical range of a promising new generation light multipurpose fighter. It is 3 thousand km. The practical ceiling of the aircraft, designated at MAKS-2021 as The Checkmate (in the export version), is 16,5 thousand meters. The maximum combat load is 7,4 tons. In this case, the maximum speed is designated as 1,8-2 speed of sound (1,8-2 M).

Vladimir Putin was told that several variants of the newest fighter are being developed: a two-seater aircraft, as well as an unmanned version.

The maximum overload is indicated at 8 units.



The aircraft is realized without the use of flat nozzle technology.

During the presentation for the President of the country:

The fighter has a panoramic display with a touch-screen function. Intelligent support algorithms have been implemented that relieve the pilot's load when performing operations. Therefore, he can focus on the main tasks.

The aircraft is implemented with an AFAR radar (with an active phased array), a circular optical and electronic reconnaissance system, a built-in electronic jamming system, an optical sighting system, a wide-range communication system, and a 5th generation cockpit information and control field.

The aircraft is reportedly being developed based on the concept of low radar signature.
Photos used:
Russian President's website
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 July 2021 16: 45
    -14%
    Somehow not enough! Even for a news article.
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 20 July 2021 17: 19
      +34
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Somehow not enough!

      Come on. And that is bread! A week ago, there was no word at all about the plane ...
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 21 July 2021 10: 40
        +2
        Quote: Hyperion
        A week ago, there was not even a rumor about a plane ...

        you know, complete silence around this topic with an obvious lack of such a machine,
        just shouted that work was being done. In addition, the termination of some projects clearly indicated that the focus of the work was changing, so I was waiting for the appearance of this machine, although, to be honest, I was waiting for the announcement of a moment with an improved analogue of the F-16, and not the opponent of the penguin.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 21 July 2021 10: 55
          +1
          Quote: yehat2
          you know, complete silence around this topic with an obvious lack of such a machine,
          just shouted that work was being done.

          Well, you know, the MiG-35 seemed to be claiming the role of a light fighter, and there was no specific information about the single-engine aircraft. At least I didn't get it.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 21 July 2021 22: 09
            +2
            Quote: Hyperion
            At least I didn't get it.

            Sukhoi minimized the modernization of the Su-27 line for at least 2 years, and the vacated capacity did not go to the T50 project. Considering that new civil aircraft and all variants of heavy fighters were not needed, but a light one was needed (this is a hit of sales) and a new powerful engine appeared, comparable to the Penguin one, and the Mig was engaged in a twin-engine, what else could Sukhoi have done? Although I thought that I had invested in the development of the MIG-35, and not in my own version.
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 21 July 2021 22: 12
              +1
              You are straight Sherlock. And I did not follow all this so closely, so for me it all happened suddenly.
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 22 July 2021 09: 59
                +1
                play more rts games - such estimates will work for you automatically laughing
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 20 July 2021 17: 34
      -9
      Even if they said they plan to do it for you, or, for example, only for foreign countries ... And naturally, I don't believe in terms of timing, we don't create anything by a bad "tradition" without postponing the deadline for a couple of years to the right.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 20 July 2021 17: 40
        +2
        ..And naturally, I don't believe in terms of timing

        Hmm .. how long you don’t believe? And to whom? Where were the dates named?

        PS: but I see below in the comments ..
        1. sifgame
          sifgame 21 July 2021 07: 32
          -3
          The term was named by Slyusar 23 years
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 21 July 2021 10: 43
            +1
            Quote: sifgame
            The term was named by Slyusar 23 years

            the terms for the T-50 were postponed several times. The rhetoric on the timing of the new engine completely changed 3 times. I do not believe in the 23rd year at all, tk. the plane apparently failed the test.
            But there is also a good point - the work of most of the components has been debugged within the framework of the t-50 project, so there are fewer possible delays.
      2. shinobi
        shinobi 21 July 2021 10: 44
        0
        It seems to me that this device will be purely for sale.
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    4. 22 dmdc
      22 dmdc 21 July 2021 09: 02
      -1
      Than rich!
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 21 July 2021 11: 43
        -2
        Too many inaccuracies indicated
    5. TANKISTONE
      TANKISTONE 22 July 2021 16: 12
      +1

      Kote Pan Kokhanka (Vladislav)
      Somehow not enough! Even for a news article.
      Do you like how some authors inflate articles by repeating 3 times from paragraph to paragraph?
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 July 2021 18: 41
        +2
        No, they don't!
  2. spirit
    spirit 20 July 2021 16: 46
    +10
    Forgot to write the announced amount! 30 lamas of American presidents apiece. 5th generation with AFAR for 30ku? That is not enough to believe, or is it completely in the basic version hi
    1. Grits
      Grits 20 July 2021 16: 50
      +11
      Quote: spirit
      that it is not enough to believe, or it is completely in the basic version

      All the same, the engine is one. And this is a significant part of the cost of the aircraft. Saved, however.
      1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 17: 43
        -11%
        Quote: Gritsa
        All the same, the engine is one. And this is a significant part of the cost of the plane.

        a significant part of the cost of an aircraft today is not a glider or even a motor, but electronics. F-16 of the last units can cost on a par with twin-engine F-15
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 21 July 2021 10: 45
          +1
          Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
          most of the cost of an aircraft today is not a glider or even a motor, but electronics.

          but they did not guess. The main cost is development work and the markup to cover the overhead costs, and everything else is less.
          If you look at the F-22 program, then the production of cars cost less than 10% of the total costs.
          1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
            Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 11: 06
            -5
            Quote: yehat2
            but they didn't guess

            but you did not understand. R&D for military products is a separate line and is paid regardless of whether that product will be produced or not. In this case, the customer pays for the development itself.
            Here we are talking about "hardware". The relative cost of the motor is only less than 20% of the cost of an airplane. If you completely scatter it for spare parts (airframe, life support system, navigation, weapon control, etc.), then only 20% will be spent on the engine.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 July 2021 16: 50
      +13
      They advertise it as a customizable platform, so 30 for a basic one - what would not? And from above they will ship both double and extra. equipment, and containers (there will be one stop), etc.
      The question is what is included in the basic kit?
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 16: 54
      +13
      First flight - 2023
      Prototypes - 2024-25
      Installation batch - 2026
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 20 July 2021 16: 56
        +17
        As many thought, the layout.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 July 2021 17: 19
        0
        Rogozin also predicted a lot. And I'm not talking about "trampolines".
      3. Serge-667
        Serge-667 20 July 2021 18: 28
        +2
        You can safely +10 years.
      4. bayard
        bayard 20 July 2021 20: 28
        +3
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        First flight - 2023
        Prototypes - 2024-25
        Installation batch - 2026

        Optimistic ...
        That's just realistic, is it?
        Does the Sukhoi Design Bureau have enough engineering and design personnel for all projects?
        - Su-34m?
        - Su-30SM2?
        - launching into series and fine-tuning the Su-57?
        - development of several new versions of the Su-57, including a two-seater?
        - Well, this miracle is wonderful, unexpected and unprecedented?
        If everything was as it wants to seem, then the plane is really necessary and timely. And for domestic videoconferencing, and for export.
        The question of realism and the ability to bring at least something to a logical and positive result.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 20: 41
          +2
          Quote: bayard
          Optimistic ...
          That's just realistic, is it?

          I don't see any fundamental problems. There is no novelty in the Su-75, it is created on ready-made units from the Su-57.
          1. bayard
            bayard 20 July 2021 21: 03
            +7
            Yes, I don't see any fundamental problems either. But I see purely practical, organizational and personnel. And cadres, as you know, decide everything.
            Right now in Komsomolsk there is not enough people (personnel) on the assembly lines for the production of the already routine Su-35 and new Su-57. They have been preparing for the series for so many years that neither the production facilities nor the personnel have been prepared ... "Everything happened suddenly"?
            There, in recent years, production was curtailed, people were cut, in Irkutsk they wanted to stop production at all, fire people, advised to look for a new job ahead of time ... A new order for the Su-34 saved from idiocy ...
            But he - idiocy - is thriving and healthy.
            So I ask, when the leaders declare the terms and plans with their hands, do they ... measure their words with the reality? Do they at least do something to implement the stated?
            Or crowed, and don't bloom? ..

            I have no doubt that the idea is good and timely. I have no doubt that with the correct organization of work, everything can be done quickly and well, because there is a base in the form of the Su-57.
            ... But this very Su-57 is still not in the finished serial products!
            And judging by the rumors from Komsomolsk, they were preparing for this production ... as always for everything ... and everywhere in the new capitalist Federation.
            So I'm wondering - who will do all this?
            Implement the new words of the old leadership?
            Are there people?
            Are they getting paid?
            The budget will not be plundered again?

            Few of the sane now take the word of those who do not keep their words ...
            Those who, with the stubbornness of a rhino, intend to buy more and more batches of "innovative corvettes" pr. 22160 ... are they crazy?
            Or budget holders who have lost all their shores?
            Why do they behave like broken robots controlled by one server that ... died ...?

            I looked at the photos from the MiG stand and ... I was just amazed ... Some kind of kalyak-malyaks and delusional delirium ...
            What is it ?
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 21: 05
              -1
              Quote: bayard
              What is it ?

              Death of KB.
              1. bayard
                bayard 20 July 2021 21: 14
                +2
                It seems so. crying
                Sorry for MiG ... Soviet Legend ... Symbol ...
                sorry .
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 21: 17
                  +1
                  Yes. It's really sad. An entire era. The era when we were equal. When the MiG evoked fear and respect.
                  1. PilotS37
                    PilotS37 20 July 2021 23: 52
                    +3
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Yes. It's really sad. An entire era. The era when we were equal. When the MiG evoked fear and respect.

                    Your picture is very good: there was such a company McDonnell. In the mid-1950s, she created this most epoch-making Phantom II. But soon after, it merged with Douglas. But then at least the name was preserved, since the new company became known as McDonnell Douglas. These guys managed to make F-15 and F-18. But then the typical capitalist "Oops!"
                    In 1996, McDonnell Douglas announced that the company did not have the funds to continue working on the next-generation wide-body airliner, dramatically reducing the company's ability to enter the crowded commercial airliner market. The next devastating blow to the company was the Department of Defense's decision to exclude McDonnell Douglas from the list of companies participating in the competition for the next generation fighter jet for the US Air Force, which promised to generate billions of dollars in profit. In this state, with no clear prospects for the future, the company began negotiations with Boeing. In late 1996, the two companies announced their largest merger in the history of the aircraft industry. This deal was approved by the federal authorities in 1997.

                    And now there is no more McDonnell or Douglas! And the F-15 is now called:
                    Boeing F-15 Eagle
                    .
                    Skharchill Boeing McDonnell with Douglas ...
                    So Sukhoi is now grappling Mikoyan with Gurevich (and they, by the way, began their "independent" design activities by taking away from Polikarpov his project of a high-altitude fighter, the future MiG-3). And rightly so, M and G! All their successes are in the distant past.
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 00
          +1
          This plane (together with the S-70 and Su57) and then replace the Su34, 30,35 ...... they are not getting younger
          1. bayard
            bayard 21 July 2021 09: 55
            +3
            Quote: Zaurbek
            This plane (together with the S-70 and Su57) and then replace the Su34, 30,35 ...... they are not getting younger

            Yes, they are now younger than the young - the youngest aircraft fleet in the world. And they are of different class.
            Rather, the new Su-75 will go to new regiments of light fighters from the end of the decade, because the existing fleet of fighters for all our needs is sorely lacking. There is an acute need for a light fighter to harmonize the overall composition of the Aerospace Forces.
            And even those Su-30SM2 and Su-35S, which have yet to replenish the VKS under new contracts, will serve for many decades to come. Their modernization potential is enormous.

            But then I wrote about the possibilities to implement the stated ...
            ... cadres ... they grow old and die ... they are almost over ... and the bourgeoisie from the 90s remained confident that there are enough trained people - there are how many people in the trash cans, "Throw a half, they are what you want pile ". And that doesn't work anymore. How much money do not throw ... do not blow your cheeks and do not compose songs.
            Why is the Il-76MD90A not being built?
            No one!
            IL-112?
            No one!
            IL-114?
            No one! There is no one to assemble even a simple fuselage of an old (still Soviet development) aircraft ... that's why they found it on ... the old fuselage of the Tashkent assembly was found to sludge and was updated ... now at the exhibition ...
            An-2 !!!!
            It is impossible to restore in production !!!
            MS-21 has been in production since 2015 ...
            But ... An-2 ... and here ... "shahimat" ...
            Doesn't fit ... like Nikolai-2 ... doesn't fit ...
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 20 July 2021 16: 57
      -4
      Quote: spirit
      Forgot to write the announced amount! 30 lamas of American presidents apiece. 5th generation with AFAR for 30ku? That is not enough to believe, or is it completely in the basic version hi

      Sorry, I don’t believe in this. For the Indians, with a batch of 120 vehicles, one Su-57 was offered for $ 130 million, and this was subject to a preliminary investment in the car in the amount of $ 6.5 billion. T / e one Su-57 was supposed to cost the Indians $ 180 million. A new car, even if it is half the price, will cost foreign customers under $ 100 million.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 20 July 2021 17: 24
        +1
        Aron, $ 30 million is most likely his cost hi
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 20 July 2021 17: 30
          +5
          Quote: Thrifty
          Aron, $ 30 million is most likely his cost hi

          It's still very cheap.
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 17: 39
            +16
            R&D. The aircraft is almost entirely the result of the development of the Su-57. Most of the nodes will be the same, which will significantly reduce the cost of development and, with high demand, will drastically reduce the cost of the Su-57 itself with operation. If you want a market, learn to gnaw it out.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 20 July 2021 17: 44
              -3
              Quote: El Chuvachino
              R&D. The aircraft is almost entirely the result of the development of the Su-57. Most of the nodes will be the same, which will significantly reduce the cost of development and, with high demand, will drastically reduce the cost of the Su-57 itself with operation. If you want a market, learn to gnaw it out.

              Strange.
      2. Bumblebee
        Bumblebee 20 July 2021 17: 27
        -1
        Apparently, the price of the layout))) wait until the series is released, then the real price will be
      3. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 17: 44
        -2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        A new car even if it is half the price

        it will not be half the price. Proven in the USSR by a pair of MiG-29 / Su-27 and by the Americans by a pair of F16 / F15
      4. bayard
        bayard 20 July 2021 20: 34
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        T / e one Su-57 was supposed to cost the Indians $ 180 million.

        Well, it's a sin for the Hindus to complain, they took "Rafali" more expensively.
        The named $ 30 million. This is apparently for a basic vehicle without export tax, training costs for pilots and technicians, related equipment and infrastructure, weapons and spare parts. And all together it will be enough for 50 - 70 million. Maybe more, if the customer wishes.
        The aircraft is still light, with the technological backbone of the Su-57.
      5. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 05
        +3
        Su35S went to China under $ 100 million under a full contract with training and spare turbojet engines, for the Russian Federation, they wrote, somewhere around $ 35-40 million. I also do not believe in cheapness, but the price in dollars for Russian aircraft has no direct connection with the cost of rubles ..... in 2014 the ruble dropped by half almost to the dollar, this year by 10-15%, and the dollar price, as it was on the foreign market, is. And the cost price in rubles.
    5. mvg
      mvg 20 July 2021 17: 41
      +9
      or it is completely in the basic version

      Without stele lifters, kondeya and light-alloy wheels.
    6. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 July 2021 18: 34
      +1
      Given the floating exchange rate of the ruble ..... it is likely
    7. lucul
      lucul 20 July 2021 18: 37
      +4
      Forgot to write the announced amount! 30 lamas of American presidents apiece. 5th generation with AFAR for 30ku? That is not enough to believe, or is it completely in the basic version

      If this is the case ($ 30 million), then it is clear why the plane was named that way)))
      For $ 30 million, other aircraft simply have no chance (for sale)
      )))))
    8. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 20 July 2021 20: 32
      +1
      If 30 million apiece, even in the basic configuration, then this is very good. And they will find a sales market. Believe me. There are plenty of countries with a small defense budget but wanting to have decent weapons.
    9. Esaul
      Esaul 21 July 2021 09: 34
      0
      It's without climate control and body-colored handles.
    10. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 21 July 2021 10: 36
      +2
      Quote: spirit
      Forgot to write the announced amount! 30 lamas of American presidents apiece. 5th generation with AFAR for 30ku? That is not enough to believe, or is it completely in the basic version hi


      It's impossible..
      The Pratt-Whitney F-135 engine, which the company produces in an amount of about 170-180 units per year, is estimated at almost $ 15 million.
      AFAR radar, costs from $ 8 million.

      If someone thinks that such high-tech products, with a large percentage of rare-earth materials, will be cheaper with us, they are very mistaken.

      30 lyamas are a complete lie on the part of those who pour water into the president's ears ...
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 21 July 2021 19: 51
        +1
        30 lyamas are a complete lie on the part of those who pour water into the president's ears ...
        Hmm, but he himself is not happy, in the first video showing this bird, Putin's face reflected - all his personal grief, in the domestic aviation industry !!!
      2. Seld
        Seld 22 July 2021 07: 57
        0
        The price comparison was not performed correctly. For reflection "on the knee": why does a bun with cheese cost three times more in Switzerland than on average in the Russian Federation? Explanations - the sea. And not only the exchange rate. Likewise - aircraft, including engines in particular. The selling price of the aircraft - whether we like it or not - will include in one volume or another, to one degree or another, absolutely all expenses that were incurred, including for development, testing and subsequent mass construction. It is incorrect to consider the commercial cost of mass production solely from the point of view of "cost of production together with materials and software + wrapping". It doesn't work that way. The costs of research, design, testing will be something like standing charges. And to figure in the commercial value all the time. Could such a device be several times cheaper compared to the f-35? Yes. Can. For the cost is made up of, among other things, the cost of communal services (heating and electricity in laboratories and workshops is banal), payroll of personnel, cost of material, logistics, rent of premises, fuels and lubricants, etc., etc. So far, the amount of such costs in the territory of the Russian Federation is much less than, say, in the states. If the development was on the basis of T50 (which is very extremely obvious), then the costs of R&D were relatively small. I would not categorically assert about the lack of professional resources at the factories. I know from my own experience and from my circle of friends: now in the factories and in the laboratories of the dry, there is a decent competition for filling vacancies. Just don't get caught. They're coming young. And they don't pay a penny. Even the junior staff. I don't believe in the timing of the car's release either. It sometimes takes tens of years to eliminate compulsory childhood illnesses. And this is the norm!
    11. The popuas
      The popuas 21 July 2021 13: 07
      0
      You have to pay extra for rugs laughing
  3. xorek
    xorek 20 July 2021 16: 47
    -13%
    Hurry to show it in all its glory, otherwise it’s straight intrigue .. How they managed to keep everything a secret .. Well done!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 20 July 2021 16: 52
      +16
      So this is the layout.

      23 year first flight.
      26 first deliveries.
      30 lyamas price - but it's not enough to believe in it. For example, a JF-30Blok17 with an AFAR and an engine from a MiG-3M costs a little less than 29 lyams. And he does not flirt with the 5th generation.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 16: 56
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        30 lyamas price - but it's not enough to believe in it.

        Impossible price, except for an empty one, without an engine, radar and other systems. "Basic model", the rest on request.
        1. lucul
          lucul 20 July 2021 18: 44
          -8
          Impossible price, except for an empty one, without an engine, radar and other systems. "Basic model", the rest on request.

          I remind you - the price of the MiG-21 was the same as the BMP -1)))
          If they decide to keep within $ 30 million apiece, then other aircraft have no chances))))
        2. ultra
          ultra 21 July 2021 07: 41
          -1
          Why, 30 lyamas are just the price for a model on a scale of 1-72. wassat
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 20 July 2021 17: 49
        +5
        30 lyamas price - but it's not enough to believe in it. For example, a JF-30Blok17 with an AFAR and an engine from a MiG-3M costs a little less than 29 lyams.

        And what exactly is confusing? How is he fundamentally different from this Chinese? Yes, a more advanced and powerful engine, but how much more expensive it will actually be in mass production?
        Yes, there are probably more composites in the glider. Everything else - AFAR, avionics, in theory, should be plus or minus similar.
      3. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 20 July 2021 18: 52
        +4
        If he doesn't even flirt with the fifth generation. This does not mean that the production cost is less.
        At what price was the Su-57 ordered for the Russian Aerospace Forces? In dollars, that's thirty-something million. And this is a cheaper plane.
      4. bayard
        bayard 20 July 2021 20: 41
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        30 lyamas price - but it's not enough to believe in it.

        And the fact that the Su-57 with the purchase of a videoconferencing system costs 37 million dollars. believe it? lol
        Perhaps the price is named exactly the internal one - for videoconferencing. Without export tax and everything related. The export price will most likely be in the range of 50 - 80 million dollars.
        If you insert an engine, a cabin, avionics and brains from the Su-57 into it, then its development will be significantly cheaper than from scratch.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 21 July 2021 10: 45
          +1
          Quote: bayard
          Quote: donavi49
          30 lyamas price - but it's not enough to believe in it.

          And the fact that the Su-57 with the purchase of a videoconferencing system costs 37 million dollars. believe it? lol
          Perhaps the price is named exactly the internal one - for videoconferencing. Without export tax and everything related. The export price will most likely be in the range of 50 - 80 million dollars.
          If you insert an engine, a cabin, avionics and brains from the Su-57 into it, then its development will be significantly cheaper than from scratch.


          Have you looked at the contracts for the supply of engines - which go separately?
          Have you looked at the radar supply contracts - which are separate contracts?
  4. Magic archer
    Magic archer 20 July 2021 16: 48
    +4
    Of course the load pleases. It remains to be believed that the plane will turn out to be massive. No matter how analogous it is, we have no word at all. By the way. We also need a deck version. Which, oh, how useful to us
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 20 July 2021 16: 55
      +4
      Well Slyusar said he had a shortened takeoff. So if the fuel is underfilled it can take off. However, how would it be useful? India is choosing a plane now and will not wait 26 years. China is building a catapult aircraft and plans to launch another in Dalian. To torture Kuzya until the 100th anniversary? So a platinum plane will come out if a ship is made for the sake of 12 sides.
      1. ultra
        ultra 20 July 2021 17: 16
        -6
        Quote: donavi49
        India is choosing a plane now and will not wait 26 years.

        As I understand it, there are five countries on your globe: Israel, USA, India, China and Russia. laughing
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 20 July 2021 17: 19
          +10
          Well, who will buy the ship version? wink Will the French write off Rafale? Or will the Americans throw the F-18/35 out of the Fords? VTOL aviki / UDC (the same Turkish) disappear, because there are no finishers, and if it is still possible to fit into Anka / TV-3, then in order to catch jet planes, half of the ship will have to be redone and no one will do this in their right mind (and not sane too).
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 17: 21
            -12%
            Quote: donavi49
            because there are no finishers, and if it is still possible to fit on Anka / TV-3, then in order to catch jet planes,

            Haven't seen Baykar's MIUS Concept yet?

          2. ultra
            ultra 20 July 2021 17: 21
            +2
            Did I write something about the ship version, or did Slyusar mention it? It was about a shortened takeoff and landing in relation to land options.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 20 July 2021 17: 22
              +6
              And I answered the person to:
              By the way. We also need a deck version. Which, oh, how useful to us
            2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
              Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 17: 51
              +1
              Quote: ultra
              Did I write something about the ship version, or did Slyusar mention it? It was about a shortened takeoff and landing in relation to land options.

              the SKVPP version is currently in demand only for use with UDC. Everyone wants an aircraft carrier, by placing a vertical on a paratrooper, you can get a light aircraft carrier. Land based VTOL aircraft is not interesting, extra hassle. Moreover, many modern fighters are able to take off with a short takeoff run, as well as use land finishers. Have you ever noticed the GAK on the full head of the land F-16 or F-15?
              So speaking for VTOL aircraft, it means its marine use
              1. ultra
                ultra 20 July 2021 18: 22
                -1
                Another one was drawn !!! laughing Listen carefully to what Slyusar said !!!!
      2. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 17: 41
        +2
        Slyusar justified the need for a shortened takeoff for other reasons, review the video with him.
        1. ultra
          ultra 20 July 2021 18: 25
          +4
          It is useless, these people do not read articles, their "knowledge" in all areas of human activity and without it "is great" like Everest! Therefore, they immediately go to the comments. laughing
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 20 July 2021 19: 12
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        To torment Kuzya until the 100th anniversary?

        Since 1991, the ship, this means you still have to operate it for 71 years?
        With this plane, the only thought I have is that the locksmith Putin had to show something.
      4. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 07
        0
        Both Su35 and Su57 are short-cut. And in the West, they take off and then fill up in the air under the neck. Hence the data on the load and range on F16 and Grippens (as in the Su30)
    2. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm 20 July 2021 19: 18
      -7
      It's funny to read you, you have no critical thinking at all? Well, what a nafig plane, they can't build a normal batch of Su57, and then there's a new plane. Excessive burden on the budget ... or just drank the budget. if you are really going to build a new plane, then it will take 15-20 years until the finished version ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 21 July 2021 06: 35
        -4
        From what? Lot of 76 pieces. The first contract of norms. Will be done, there will be the next one.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 21 July 2021 10: 47
          +2
          Quote: carstorm 11
          From what? Lot of 76 pieces. The first contract of norms. Will be done, there will be the next one.

          10 year old ??? 76 cars ... Normal?
          Himself is not funny?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 21 July 2021 11: 04
            -4
            Not. I have a rough idea of ​​both its cost and its complexity. And in fact, not 10 but 7.
          2. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 21 July 2021 11: 49
            -3
            What's wrong? And so the largest contract for fighter aircraft in the Russian Federation. There was no more.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 21 July 2021 13: 42
              +1
              Quote: El Chuvachino
              What's wrong? And so the largest contract for fighter aircraft in the Russian Federation. There was no more.


              Is 90 Su-30SM in service less?
              almost 100 Su-35S is less?
              1. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 21 July 2021 15: 14
                -3
                Su-30SM and Su-35S were bought by single contracts?

                Smartly, you merge from one contract into the number of combat vehicles based on the results of the execution of all contracts combined.
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 21 July 2021 23: 04
                  0
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  Su-30SM and Su-35S were bought by single contracts?

                  Smartly, you merge from one contract into the number of combat vehicles based on the results of the execution of all contracts combined.


                  Figase.
                  Those. according to your 3 contracts for 3 years, not equal to 1 contract for 10 years ???
                  The years of validity of contracts and the number of issued over the years - not an indicator?
                  1. El Chuvachino
                    El Chuvachino 22 July 2021 20: 10
                    -1
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    Those. according to your 3 contracts for 3 years, not equal to 1 contract for 10 years ???

                    No, they are not equal. You are told in black and white, read your lips the largest contract for fighter aircraft in the Russian Federation. There was no more., and you argue like a child. Even if the Su-30 has at least 10 contracts for 10 aircraft, this will not change the picture: it was ordered and produced with assembly equipment ready for this, while a contract for 76 Su-57s for a period of 8 (EIGHT) years implies a gradual increase in production from 1 unit per year to ~ 12. Do you feel the difference?

                    And what about the Su-35 with its 5 and 6 years, 48 ​​units each. shyly kept silent, it is not profitable to mention?
      2. ultra
        ultra 21 July 2021 07: 44
        -2
        And how funny it is to read you! Did you listen to what Slyusar said?
  5. NIKN
    NIKN 20 July 2021 16: 49
    +8
    Low visibility (well, at least visible), but everything else ... While the layout. And I think little depends on dry here.
  6. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima 20 July 2021 16: 50
    +3
    Damn, here the IOC (International Olympic Committee) changed the Olympic slogan, and you are posting news about some garbage ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 July 2021 16: 55
      +10
      Everyone has already put everything they could on the IOC and WADA, and they have also imposed everything they knew. What else can there be positive from them?
      1. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima 20 July 2021 16: 56
        +3
        Yes, they say that together ... In what only.
  7. Ripap
    Ripap 20 July 2021 16: 51
    +7
    Honestly, he's some kind of ugly, there is not even a bit of the grace of the moment 29 and Su 27 in him.
    1. Eug
      Eug 20 July 2021 16: 57
      +5
      The air intake is reminiscent of the phrase "I would have scooped up honey with such a bite" ... however, if only it turned out and sold.
      1. spirit
        spirit 20 July 2021 17: 05
        +4
        Well, x32 then flew) he had a more abruptly intake bully
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 17: 12
          +1
          Quote: spirit
          Well, x32 then flew) he had a more abruptly intake bully


          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 09
            -1
            That F32, that F35 should initially be the same in the fuselage in different versions A, B, C ..... our task is not to be a VTOL aircraft.
  8. ved_med12
    ved_med12 20 July 2021 16: 52
    +6
    3000 km ... combat load - 7,4 tons. max takeoff 18000 somewhere under ...
    1. Eug
      Eug 20 July 2021 17: 12
      +5
      Max. the range is usually given with a normal combat load, most likely it is 2 RVV MD (220 kg) and 2 RVV SD (360 kg), 4 AKU (180 kg) I wonder if there is one or two cannon? And for me personally, the fuel supply without PTB is more informative than the range, which in different conditions will be very different.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 20 July 2021 17: 23
        +9
        Quote: Eug
        I wonder if there is one gun or two?

        Yes, for how many years, one cannon has been put on fighters. Suspended does not count.
        1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
          Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 17: 55
          -7
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: Eug
          I wonder if there is one gun or two?

          Yes, for how many years, one cannon has been put on fighters. Suspended does not count.

          The French don't count with their Mirage. And Tornado too.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 20 July 2021 18: 46
            0
            Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
            The French don't count with their Mirage. And Tornado too.
            Well, that's how they put it like that 40 years ago.
      2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 17: 54
        0
        Quote: Eug
        Max. range is usually given with normal combat load

        and sometimes, instead of it, a ferry range is given, which is without weapons and with PTB. Since not very literate menagers rubbed the president, they could blurt out anything
        Quote: Eug
        I wonder if there is one gun or two?

        on the Su-57, how many and what? Or do you think they will make a new cannon for the new plane?
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 17: 15
      0
      Quote: ved_med12
      max takeoff 18000 somewhere under ...

      So this figure is taken from the ceiling. It is rather a normal takeoff. The maximum in the region of 25 tons should be.
    3. PilotS37
      PilotS37 20 July 2021 17: 23
      +17
      Quote: ved_med12
      3000 km ... combat load - 7,4 tons. max takeoff 18000 somewhere under ...

      In fact, these three figures (3 - 000 - 7) do not surprise me at all - as a former (a very long time ago!) Aerodynamics of the Sukhoi Design Bureau. You just need to interpret them correctly ...
      3 km is the range. Consequently, the combat radius is about 000 km. And this, most likely, is the limiting figure (with a minimum set of V-V missiles). So no miracles!
      7,4 tons of load is to the eyeballs; the range "sits down" at the same time. Plus, these "7,4" could well have put a couple of PTBs.
      18 tons of take-off weight is, most likely, with the same minimum set of V-V missiles: "normal take-off weight" is called. Accordingly, from 7.4 tons of load, the take-off will be under 25 tons, if not more. All speed and maneuverability characteristics immediately "down".

      But the maximum overload of 8 is slightly upsetting ... (Question: at what takeoff weight was it counted?)
      And it is still not clear whether it has internal compartments for weapons: a couple of melee missiles in such fuselage, for example, you can still enter. And more? .. With 7,4 tons it will be a "Christmas tree with garlands".
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 17: 50
        -2
        Combat radius 1500 km
        Up to 5 V-V missiles are placed in the internal compartments.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 20 July 2021 18: 01
          +1
          What do you think about this project? Promising?
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 20: 52
            +1
            Answered you in the first message on the topic smile
        2. PilotS37
          PilotS37 20 July 2021 18: 04
          +7
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          Combat radius 1500 km

          Bullshit!
          1 km * 500 = 2 km (the ones with the "range"). And where is the fuel consumption for the battle? - Radius counts so! According to statistics, for a fighter, radius = range / 3 (or even 000).
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 20: 43
            -5
            This is not garbage, but the official information voiced by an official. Both the combat radius and the ammunition load in stealth mode.
            1. PilotS37
              PilotS37 20 July 2021 23: 31
              +5
              Quote: El Chuvachino
              This is not garbage, but the official information voiced by an official. Both the combat radius and the ammunition load in stealth mode.

              I am not commenting on "ammunition". Maybe.
              But a "radius" of 1500 km with a range of 3000 km is nonsense. The bureaucrat didn't understand something: they don't understand anything in technology ...
              1. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 21 July 2021 00: 28
                -7
                Well, yes, where the director of the UAC is up to you. Study the material first.
                1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                  Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 00: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  Well, yes, how can the director of the UAC before you

                  the fact of the matter is that it turns out, like you, he is very far from the competent level. He is a director, a manager, he is far from technology. And you are just a layman who is not familiar with elementary concepts. They would have listened to smart people than to balk like a ram. Any pilot (and even just an aviation fan) will tell you that the combat radius is much less than the max. flight range. The military considers it to be about a third of the range. Range 3 thousand, radius 1 thousand. Moreover, the radius will depend on the load, flight profile and a dozen other factors.
        3. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
          Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 19: 12
          +7
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          Combat radius 1500 km

          cool vus you calculator, and most importantly - not correct. The combat radius is not equal to the range in half. It is much smaller. If only because. that it takes time to rebuild, the flight altitude during a combat sortie is not always optimal, the speed is not always optimal, plus the time for a combat operation, for a possible air battle, emergency balance, etc. And this is all fuel. So you can safely divide by at least three.
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          Up to 5 V-V missiles are placed in internal compartments

          What is it like? Are your bays asymmetrical? One three, the second two? Why?
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 21 July 2021 10: 50
            +4
            Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff

            Quote: El Chuvachino
            Up to 5 V-V missiles are placed in internal compartments

            What is it like? Are your bays asymmetrical? One three, the second two? Why?


            Yes, because they (admirers of the top managers of the military-industrial complex) themselves do not know anything and just come up with it ... Out of the blue.
            Without even thinking about such things ...
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 21 July 2021 11: 52
              -6
              You shouldn't talk about what you don't understand. Take a look at the bays, then check out the official information. Otherwise, continuous chatter and verbiage comes from you.
      2. maks007
        maks007 20 July 2021 18: 59
        +3
        What are 25 tons with an engine of 17-18 tons

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icDmPKzP8YM
        we have ".... with a product engine of 30 .... sawtooth edge .... presumably the maximum thrust is 17-18 tons and the thrust-to-weight ratio is more than 1 .... the take-off weight with fuel and weapons will be 17-18 tons what is the payload in it ???? .... empty Su-57 presumably ~ 18000 tons ... "

        https://topwar.ru/155513-chto-izvestno-ob-izdelii-30.html
        Locked topic. What is known about the "30 Product"?

        The compressor compresses the incoming air at a rate of 6,7, providing air flow rate up to 20-23 kg / s. The combustion chamber is equipped with a plasma ignition system, installed directly on the injectors. Such means provide ignition of the fuel immediately after it enters the combustion chamber. Thanks to it the optimum mode of burning is supported, and also so-called is excluded. Flare - incorrect combustion of fuel accumulated in the engine. The gas temperature in front of the turbine ranges from 1950 to 2100 ° K. For comparison, the serial engine AL-31F, this parameter does not exceed 1700 ° K.
        ...
        The 30 engine is equipped with a new nozzle that has thrust vector control functions. This unit is noticeably less used before and has other contours. In particular, the trailing edge of the nozzle, formed by individual flaps, gets an uneven shape.
        ...
        All new ideas and solutions are designed to enhance the basic characteristics of the engine. According to open data, the maximum engine thrust “Product 30” reaches 11000 kgf, afterburner - 18000 kgf. For comparison, the engine of the first stage of the AL-41F1 has a thrust of 9500 and 15000 kgf, respectively. Thus, the Su-57, even with a maximum take-off mass exceeding 35, will have a thrust-to-weight ratio of more than one. With normal take-off weight, this parameter will reach 1,15-1,2.
        ...
        1. ved_med12
          ved_med12 20 July 2021 19: 38
          +1
          Nuuu you can take off when the indicator is less than one ...
          maximum take-off weight: 18480 kg
          internal fuel mass: 3400 kg (≈4200 l, depending on the density influenced by the outside temperature)

          RD-33 - engine for MiG-29 fighters
          Engine
          Engine type: Dual-circuit turbojet with afterburner (as well as thrust vector control on MiG-29M / OVT)
          Model: RD-33
          Link:
          Maximum: 2 × 5040 kg
          afterburner: 2 × 8300 kg
          Mig 29
        2. PilotS37
          PilotS37 21 July 2021 13: 03
          +1
          Quote: maks007
          What are 25 tons with an engine of 17-18 tons

          Immediately you can see the person who is "not in the subject"!
          First, fighters with a thrust-to-weight ratio of 1 or more appeared relatively recently: this is the so-called "4th generation". And even then not all of them complied with this rule. Before that, all fighters had TV less than one, and nothing, somehow they flew and even fought.
          Secondly, the "normal" take-off weight for which the TV is calculated is much less than the maximum. At maximum takeoff weight, even the most super-duper modern fighters have TVs less than one. Much less.
          So 25 tons of maximum take-off weight with an engine afterburner of 18 tons is the norm.
          1. maks007
            maks007 21 July 2021 13: 41
            -2
            Immediately you can see the person who is "not in the subject"!
            I'm glad for you that as it turns out you are in the subject.

            I am more inclined to trust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icDmPKzP8YM
            than your claims.
            1. PilotS37
              PilotS37 21 July 2021 14: 52
              +1
              Quote: maks007
              I am more inclined to trust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icDmPKzP8YM
              than your claims.

              And what's wrong with that? It says that this plane has maximum takeoff weight 18 tons? Not. It doesn't say that. It says: just "takeoff weight", which means that it is about "normal"take-off weight. Typically, this means full fuel + 4 rockets. In this case, this is 18 tons. Now subtract about a ton from these 18 (4 rockets + 4 AAP) and add 7,4 tons." This makes 24,4 tons.
              Now go to any site where there are detailed characteristics of modern fighters and see what their thrust-to-weight ratio is at normal and maximum take-off weight.
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      4. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 19: 07
        0
        Quote: PilotS37
        But the maximum overload of 8 is slightly upsetting ... (Question: at what takeoff weight was it counted?)

        so with a "combat", probably with a minimum set of missiles and underdeveloped fuel. The plane is not inspiring not only in terms of overload, but also in terms of speed. 1,8M is not a cake at all, the lowest limit for this class of devices.

        Quote: PilotS37
        And it is still not clear whether it has internal compartments for weapons: a couple of melee missiles in such a fuselage, for example, can still be entered. And more ?.

        four R-77s will fit in there, but no more ... Where to hang the rest (especially large-sized ones) is a question. And there is still a moment - the weapons compartment is shifted forward. When using UR explosives with APU, how is the issue of exhaust gases getting into the air intake resolved?
      5. Intruder
        Intruder 20 July 2021 19: 13
        +1
        3 km is the range. Consequently, the combat radius is about 000 km. And this, most likely, is the limiting figure (with a minimum set of V-V missiles). So no miracles!
        7,4 tons of load is to the eyeballs; the range "sits down" at the same time. Plus, these "7,4" could well have put a couple of PTBs.
        Hmm, interesting rumors !? :

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    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 09
      0
      These extreme values ​​include both fuel and weapons in a combat full load.
  9. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 20 July 2021 16: 53
    +2
    For some reason, I doubt that it will be possible to repeat the success of the MiG 21.
  10. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 20 July 2021 16: 59
    -2
    It turned out to be a beautiful predator. So it will fly as it should)
  11. Efiop
    Efiop 20 July 2021 17: 00
    0
    And most importantly, is it a model or a flight prototype?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 20 July 2021 17: 12
      +9
      Layout. Flight prototype 23 yr - deliveries 26-27
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 20 July 2021 17: 20
        +4
        Quote: donavi49
        Layout. Flight prototype 23 yr - deliveries 26-27

        Correct me, but pre-Syrian production is planned for 26-27.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 10
          -1
          If all systems are serial in the Su57 program, then it is quite possible.
  12. zoland
    zoland 20 July 2021 17: 09
    -3
    Quote: spirit
    Forgot to write the announced amount! 30 lamas of American presidents apiece. 5th generation with AFAR for 30ku? That is not enough to believe, or is it completely in the basic version hi

    It depends on which presidents
  13. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 July 2021 17: 11
    +2
    Well handsome. And Next? .. I would like to hear the opinion of our pilots. Are there any on the site? Only simpler and clearer. Not everyone graduated from the Air Force universities.
    1. PilotS37
      PilotS37 20 July 2021 17: 39
      +15
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Well handsome. And Next? .. I would like to hear the opinion of our pilots. Are there any on the site? Only simpler and clearer. Not everyone graduated from the Air Force universities.

      "Pilots" will not tell you anything until they themselves fly on it. it can be very "beautiful", but very difficult to control, unreliable, it can lack characteristics ...
      So far, all there is is the words "blah-blah-blah" and bright beautiful pictures.
      Real assessments of its effectiveness will appear in 10 years. And this is at best ...
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 20 July 2021 19: 08
        +2
        Now everything is clear. Almost .. Thanks.
      2. Runoway
        Runoway 20 July 2021 19: 13
        -1
        Real assessments of its effectiveness

        Will be directly proportional to the number of orders
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 20 July 2021 17: 12
    +7
    Well, the commentators did not believe that the first flight was still far away ...
    And the rest of the TX are approximate Wishlist, since the speed was sounded like that.
    What comes out is what comes out.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 12
      -1
      There are specific systems - turbojet engine, weight of avionics airframe from programs Su35, Okhotnik, Su57 .... they are in hardware and work. Hence the performance characteristics.
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 21 July 2021 09: 04
        0
        Absolutely right. +/- figured, and the rest will be clear later.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 July 2021 09: 38
          -1
          I think that the main secret is the fuselage and% of composites and titanium in it. %, taking into account +20 years from the beginning of the creation of the Su57 ..... should be at the level of promising Western machines and projects. The maximum speed was not announced as a record, therefore the requirements should be lower
          1. Maks1995
            Maks1995 21 July 2021 09: 57
            0
            Yes.
            Nobody will create bad cars in advance.
            And no one will disclose details, like the Americans disclosed about F35 ...
  15. ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN 20 July 2021 17: 18
    +1
    A Russian name for the Russian fighter was not found ??? That is why this Westernism is to be dragged everywhere and everywhere, especially in the name of the military equipment that opposes this West!
    1. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 20 July 2021 18: 11
      -3
      this is what they called him in the west.
      and the article was posted by local authors (author)
      he needs this claim
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 21 July 2021 10: 56
        +4
        Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
        this is what they called him in the west.
        and the article was posted by local authors (author)
        he needs this claim



        Have you seen the photo of the pavilion at MAKS-2021?
        What are you coming up with again about the West then?
  16. Evil 55
    Evil 55 20 July 2021 17: 18
    -6
    Well ... an analogue of the F-16 in the latest version ... and what .. Maybe it's time to stop catching up and start thinking "for the future" .. angry
    1. Adimius38
      Adimius38 20 July 2021 18: 39
      -1
      I agree that something closer to the F-16
  17. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 20 July 2021 17: 19
    +5
    It turns out interestingly: It seems that the plane is smaller than the MiG-35, and the engine is one, not two, and the mass of the combat load is higher at the same speed and ceiling. Something is somehow doubtful ...
  18. EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 July 2021 17: 21
    -7
    The engine is a few percent of the cost. Reducing prices to at least half the price of the Su-57 can only be done by abandoning a number of elements. However, there will definitely not be a radar in the wing. About 7.4 tons of load, most likely, is nonsense, even if the composite wing can withstand it.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 20 July 2021 17: 33
      +11
      Quote: EvilLion
      The engine is a few percent of the cost.

      Funny.
    2. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 17: 53
      +9
      The engine has always been and is the most expensive in a fighter jet. Hurry autumn and your school resumed request
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 July 2021 18: 33
        0
        Does a fighter consist of 5-6 parts? http://www.fi-powerweb.com/Engine/PW-F135.html We get that the engine for the F-35 is worth twenty. How much is the F-35 itself? With a price of one hundred square meters, we get 20%, not a few, but, obviously, the engine itself does not seriously determine the price.

        It was during the WWII years that the power plant was half the cost, now a huge amount of electronics has been added, and the share of the engine in the cost has dropped.
      2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 20: 13
        0
        Quote: El Chuvachino
        The engine has always been and is the most expensive in a fighter.

        was. Until recently, when electronics left him by leaps and bounds. Even on civil aircraft, the unit cost of the power plant does not exceed 20% of the cost of the aircraft. In a military aircraft, stuffed with all kinds of electronic systems, this percentage is even lower.
        Does the fact that modern single-engine 4 ++ generations cost the same, if not more, than generation 4 twin-engined fighters mean nothing to you? Where does such an increase in price come from? After all, according to your logic, it should cost almost half the price!
    3. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 21 July 2021 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: EvilLion
      The engine is a few percent of the cost. Reducing prices to at least half the price of the Su-57 can only be done by abandoning a number of elements. However, there will definitely not be a radar in the wing. About 7.4 tons of load, most likely, is nonsense, even if the composite wing can withstand it.


      the F-135 engine costs 15 million dollars.
      The cost of the latest batches of A-35 is just under $ 80 million.
      Which is 20% of the cost of the plane.
      The cost of modern aircraft engines cannot be underestimated.
  19. Barberry25
    Barberry25 20 July 2021 17: 22
    +4
    So the heat began on the topvar ... I think in the coming days the plane will be branded by the UG with shouts about "nothing can be done in this country" ... By the way, today there were S-500 launches, which, according to the same topvar experts, does not exist ..
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  21. KSVK
    KSVK 20 July 2021 17: 40
    -4
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    First flight - 2023
    Prototypes - 2024-25
    Installation batch - 2026

    In what year was the first flight of the SU-57 shown?
    It’s 2021, and there’s not a SINGLE plane in the army.
    And this miracle has not even flown yet ...
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 July 2021 18: 34
      -2
      There is one, this year there will be 4 more. The plan has been announced, if you have not read it by now, then go and read it. And grandmother is shaggy even without you.
  22. Bez 310
    Bez 310 20 July 2021 17: 40
    +3
    Why was this whole circus organized?
    They again boast about what we do not have, and confidently talk about some plans that no one is going to carry out. How tired of all this ...
    1. Cb master
      Cb master 20 July 2021 17: 50
      -5
      Tired of it? Quit)
    2. PilotS37
      PilotS37 20 July 2021 18: 10
      +5
      Quote: Bez 310
      Why was this whole circus organized?
      They again boast about what we do not have, and confidently talk about some plans that no one is going to carry out. How tired of all this ...

      Bez 310This is normal work: look what the British are doing with their Tempest! And the Franco-Germans with their miracle of engineering thought ... Or do you think that they have everything ready and are about to fly?
      The guys need money for Detailed Design (I hope that the ES has already been made and protected) - so they flatten the "investor". Everything is correct. Everybody does that.
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 19: 19
        -4
        The guys need money for detailed design
        - yeah ... the money goes to salary of all sorts of top managers (who will run away if they are not paid) well, yachts at a price tag like a destroyer, offshore and so on hi
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 July 2021 12: 26
      -1
      Even if ours capture Europe and Washington in a month, people like you will whine that there is nothing, and won the wrong way, having filled up with corpses.
  23. Vavilov
    Vavilov 20 July 2021 17: 46
    +1
    deck, most likely, light, short take-off run, range ..
    1. Vavilov
      Vavilov 20 July 2021 18: 24
      +1
      minusators - no aviation fleet dummy
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 19: 31
        0
        I also had an idea about the deck. Small - fits more, load ..
        1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
          Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 20: 21
          -2
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          I also had an idea about the deck

          flying over the sea on one engine - few people agree. All decks are twin-engine (not counting the last American wunderwafe, which was actually imposed on the fleet and from which it is still trying to kick out)
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 20: 24
            -1
            well, since the time of Khrushchev (alas) we are only catching up, and trying to overtake ((((
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 21 July 2021 11: 05
            0
            Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            I also had an idea about the deck

            flying over the sea on one engine - few people agree. All decks are twin-engine (not counting the last American wunderwafe, which was actually imposed on the fleet and from which it is still trying to kick out)

            No need for juggling.

            There have been many single and twin engine aircraft in the history of the American Navy ...
            And the fleet does not otkrykivayutsya - the fleet accepts them with pleasure.
            No need to retype nonsense ...

            If they use the F-18, it is only because:
            1. They do not have time to produce the F-35 in the required quantity.
            2. They do not have time to retrain or retrain pilots (you need to clearly understand that no more than 5-30% of 40th generation pilots are capable of being a full-fledged pilot on the 4th generation) ...
            3. Do not have time to provide maintenance complexes, incl. and sea-based.

            The Auralism is not loved anywhere except in the post-Soviet space.
            People plan so that it is calmer and safer.
            1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
              Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 11: 14
              -2
              Quote: SovAr238A
              No need for juggling

              so don't do them. Since Tomkat, the US Navy has insisted on exclusively twin-engine aircraft. And this is not a whim, but ensuring the safety of flights over the sea.
              Quote: SovAr238A
              the fleet does not reject - the fleet accepts them with pleasure

              The Navy was so happy about the new aircraft that it is trying to conduct its own program of creating a deck boat. In the meantime, he is not, he is intensively modifying the "Super Hornets". True, the Pentagon is putting spokes in the wheels of the fleet in the form of budget cuts and pushing through the "irresistible and invincible" Lightning.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 21 July 2021 13: 39
                +1
                Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                Quote: SovAr238A
                No need for juggling

                so don't do them. Since Tomkat, the US Navy has insisted on exclusively twin-engine aircraft. And this is not a whim, but ensuring the safety of flights over the sea.
                Quote: SovAr238A
                the fleet does not reject - the fleet accepts them with pleasure

                The Navy was so happy about the new aircraft that it is trying to conduct its own program of creating a deck boat. In the meantime, he is not, he is intensively modifying the "Super Hornets". True, the Pentagon is putting spokes in the wheels of the fleet in the form of budget cuts and pushing through the "irresistible and invincible" Lightning.



                what an interesting point of view ...
                And the fact that the Navy's requirements for the carrier-based F-35C were created by the Navy?
                And the fact that the A / FX program - which was supposed to replace the Hornets - was closed by the Navy?
                It was the F-35C that was ideologically formed and ultimately adopted by the Navy as an inconspicuous cover aircraft for the F / A-18, which is assigned the role of IS assault. And the F-35C will be both a cover fighter and an attack aircraft of the first strike against air defense systems.
                It is the requirement of the Navy at a distance from the aircraft carrier when patrolling up to 370 km and intercepting with a radius of 740 km, which ultimately gives a combat radius in the fighter version of 1330 km, which could not be realized at all by the Hornets.


                And for each aircraft carrier, 2 squadrons of F-35C and 2 squadrons of F / A-18 were originally planned.
                Nobody ever said that one would replace the other.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 21 July 2021 13: 47
                  0
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  2 squadrons F-35C and 2 squadrons F / A-18.
                  Nobody ever said that one would replace the other.

                  I will correct. The F-35C is supplied to replace the Hornets (FA-18C / D), and with the Super Hornets (FA-18EF) they serve in parallel, as you wrote.
                2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                  Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 15: 12
                  -3
                  the fleet did not abandon the F / A-XX. The program was "slowed down" due to the pushing of JSF - they say, there will not be enough money for everyone, so the admirals will have to move. "Take what they give, sir" (almost like a proverb from Soviet times). Super Hornets will last for years until the 2040s, then they will need to be replaced. While yes, there will be mixed squadrons of Hornets and Penguins temporarily, but the Navy still wants its own plane. His requirements are different from those of the ILC and the Air Force. The latter are quite satisfied with the F-35, in conjunction with Rapotorm.
      2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 20: 17
        0
        Quote: Vavilov
        no aviation navy dummy

        in order to have aviation, not only an airplane is needed, but also an aircraft carrier. But with him somehow it’s not right ... even here, on the topvar, the same ones who stand up for the plane will throw tomatoes at you for the aircraft carrier.
        1. Vavilov
          Vavilov 20 July 2021 20: 40
          +2
          sometimes, instead of an opinion - tomatoes, there are a lot of sea borders, and taking into account the NSR and its development ($), the topvar will probably have to put up with
  24. sanya_sergant
    sanya_sergant 20 July 2021 17: 56
    +15
    And what about the MiG, the oxygen was completely cut off?
    Sukhoi Su-30, Su-35 from generation 4+; Su-57 from the 5th; S-70 from the UAV; SSJ-100 from civilians; now here is the light fighter of the 5th ...
    And the MiG keeps cutting its 35th, that is, which is the modernized 29th.
    It remains for Sukhoi to make the PAK DP and after that the MiG KB can be closed.
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    2. lazy
      lazy 20 July 2021 18: 20
      0
      Sukhoy started this project on an initiative basis, which prevented the instant from re-doing it with a file once again at the moment of 29, but to develop a fundamentally new one? first of all, for a moment, he cut off oxygen
      1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 20: 19
        +2
        Quote: lazy
        prevented the instant, on its own initiative, not to remake the file with a file once again, the instant 29, but to develop a fundamentally new one?

        probably lack of funding. Didn't you think of it? Do you create a lot, apart from electronic and plastic models, without having adequate funding?
        1. lazy
          lazy 21 July 2021 17: 35
          -1
          when it comes to the proactive procedure, it is from your own funds, if you know Russian. there were sales of flashes abroad, but how the moment disposed of these funds is a question
          1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
            Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 19: 15
            +1
            Quote: lazy
            when talking about the proactive procedure, it is from our own funds

            it only means that it is not from the targeted budget. There could be a third party customer. What has all the ears buzzing about here.
            Or the funds went through a different ministry. As, for example, in the case of the T-50 - through the Ministry of Transport.
            Sukhoi himself would not have had enough money for development. It is too expensive nowadays pleasure, the development of an aircraft on a full cycle. Aircraft are no longer simple MiG-21s or Skyhawks.
            The MiG simply has no spare funds. The turnover in comparison with Sukhoi is many times, if not dozens of times, different.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 July 2021 18: 35
      -1
      It has already been united. And how long.
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 20 July 2021 18: 43
      0
      They talked about a new moment, but somehow now everything is quiet.
  25. Cowbra
    Cowbra 20 July 2021 17: 57
    +5
    By the way, the MiGs lit up their "light fighter", with which, apparently, they lost to Sukhov's "Mat" (not Russian-speaking):


    now offer it as a carrier-based fighter ...
    1. PilotS37
      PilotS37 20 July 2021 18: 06
      +6
      Quote: sanya_sergant
      And what about the MiG, the oxygen was completely cut off?
      Sukhoi Su-30, Su-35 from generation 4+; Su-57 from the 5th; S-70 from the UAV; SSJ-100 from civilians; now here is the light fighter of the 5th ...
      And the MiG keeps cutting its 35th, that is, which is the modernized 29th.
      It remains for Sukhoi to make the PAK DP and after that the MiG KB can be closed.

      The MiG has been injecting oxygen for a long time: from a cylinder through a mask. There is no one to work there!
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 13
      0
      In addition to air intakes, how is it different?
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 21 July 2021 07: 27
        0
        For example, the horizontal tail in front of the wing and the aerodynamic "canard" scheme. That is, in general - to everyone
  26. jeka424
    jeka424 20 July 2021 18: 05
    +2
    garbage if this is a layout, then it is not there yet, but you can come up with a lot of things
  27. Matroskin
    Matroskin 20 July 2021 18: 13
    -1
    A strange name for a domestic aircraft. A title for Indian investors? Well, the homeland of chess is India, the second state language is English and all that ...
  28. Yves762
    Yves762 20 July 2021 18: 13
    0
    According to the written performance characteristics, the F-35A will still be better ... recourse
    And this despite the fact that "Matra-SS-niki "(tm) themselves admit the failure of the 35s.

    Something ... somehow ... request
    Take a long time to look closely ...
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 18: 52
      +6
      well, probably only the price will win. If brought to mind at the stated price. And to be honest, personally I am not a supporter of any wunderwolf. Often the price tag does not correlate very much with combat effectiveness. On which the Nazis were partly burned. The wagons of dough were thrown into undoubtedly cool things, but (!), The faster they merged.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 14
      +1
      F35 is a tactical strike fighter with the ability to air combat ....... Ours are trying to make a full-fledged fighter.
      1. Yves762
        Yves762 21 July 2021 08: 35
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Ours are trying to make a full-fledged fighter.

        Yeah ... laughing
        Therefore, he has bonby, anti-ship missiles, and even cannon handols (which is especially funny for a "full-fledged fighter" in the 21st century) ...
        And this is despite the fact that the idea of ​​the need for multifunctionality came at the 3rd generation as a minimum.
        No. Not that.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 July 2021 09: 46
          -1
          Compare Su35 and Su34 ...... and that and that bomb perfectly and that and that can conduct an air battle. F35 is a better fighter than Su34 .......
          1. Yves762
            Yves762 21 July 2021 10: 42
            +2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Compare Su35 and Su34 ...
            - The types are different. Comparison in this context is incorrect.
            Quote: Zaurbek
            F35 is a better fighter than Su34 ..
            - And here even the classes are different ...
            In general, how is it somewhere: what's the pop, what's the bottom, what's the pork cartilage ...
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 21 July 2021 11: 33
              -1
              So F35 and ours are different types, but the class is one.
              1. Yves762
                Yves762 21 July 2021 17: 20
                0
                That's just no. F-35 in modification "A" just with ours and the same type.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 21 July 2021 20: 06
                  0
                  Is he a maneuverable fighter?
                  1. Yves762
                    Yves762 21 July 2021 20: 50
                    0
                    No.
                    In the sense of UHT, no.
                    So what?
                    How much in real practice do they reach / bring it to situations when it is really needed? (well, except for the air show) ???
                    For the "neighbor" you still need to crawl, but he holds 9G (by the way).
                    So no-fi-ha. Does not channel.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 21 July 2021 20: 56
                      0
                      And this one is declared as maneuverable with UHT
  29. My doctor
    My doctor 20 July 2021 18: 15
    +1
    I do not know the characteristics (and if I did, I would still not understand anything), but the appearance is fire.
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 18: 24
      +3
      if not a secret - what is "fiery" there?
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 18: 43
        -3
        Hike Olgovich scours the news and minuses me regardless of what was said laughing
  30. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 20 July 2021 18: 29
    0
    Something I don’t see commentators, that according to performance characteristics this aircraft is not of the 5th generation, as the F-35 was hated!
    The Ministry of Defense has chosen a very correct path - a cheap modern aircraft, for which many expensive chips are redundant for most tasks. According to the experience of the 26g period, the installation batch is very optimistic, more likely 28-29gg, even taking into account the fact that it has a lot from the SU-57 (it has its first flight in 2010, entered service in 2020), and this one only promises to make a flight in 24g
    1. Adimius38
      Adimius38 20 July 2021 18: 36
      -3
      Yes, but this is more likely 4+ but far from the 5th generation and before the F-35 it is like the moon.
    2. lazy
      lazy 21 July 2021 17: 43
      0
      Well, there are suspicions that it will not go into service at all, purely for export, because before it in the class of light single-engine fighters we had nothing to offer. Yes, and just an easy moment35 may be a good plane, but as the film said "for Athos, this is too much, but for Count de la Fer, too little"
  31. Adimius38
    Adimius38 20 July 2021 18: 34
    -2
    I doubt that it will make it to the F-35.
  32. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 20 July 2021 18: 43
    +3
    The potential in such an aircraft is still greater than that of the former T-50. Single-engine aircraft, although on average, are inferior to twin-engine ones, are much cheaper in construction and operation. This leads to the fact that they make up the bones of some fleets of the world, and it is they who do most of the work. And the quantity is also a quality, and an impressive one. 50 single-engine aircraft are better than 10 twin-engine aircraft
  33. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 July 2021 18: 43
    +7
    And the casket took a long time to open and turned out to be empty. Troubadours. When will this habit of trumpeting about what is not in nature end? Sculpted and presented as what? Imitation somehow starts to get boring. Something was invented, but something was borrowed from an adult store: there all kinds of good things are presented on batteries ...
    And what about digitalization? Or did they not make fighters in the USSR (only galoshes)?
    Weird people. We will reveal several characteristics to you, and the aircraft itself will begin to be delivered in 6 years. I wanted to be proud and extolled, but I had to be silent in my fist and endure condescending grins ...
    ==========
    There was an artist in the company. I drew such beautiful models of cars, airplanes ... Only all this was done with a ballpoint pen.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 20 July 2021 19: 00
      +2
      Well, how ... they have already announced that they have torn all NATO with this aircraft, and there are already dozens of countries queuing for it ... if only the fleet does not decide to do something like that ... - well, how will they cut an aircraft carrier in full size with a jigsaw to show the president? )
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 19: 34
        0
        the guarantor was not even shown posing as a wunderwaffe. Especially on the naval theme.
        But who is he? The protégé of EBN and those who took advantage of privatization. A person, so to speak, and I think just an exponent of the will of the "respected" and richest people in Russia, in general, on the salaries of those who are on the Forbes list
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 20 July 2021 19: 07
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      When will this habit of blowing about what is not in nature end?

      I think the goal at this stage is to make yourself known and attract investors. Perhaps even conclude some kind of preliminary contracts. Sukhoi has hardly a lot of free money, but the development of a new aircraft is still an expensive business.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 21 July 2021 03: 48
        +1
        Quote: Kalmar
        Sukhoi hardly has a lot of free money, and the development of a new aircraft is still an expensive business.

        And for whom are we keeping the NWF? Or is the defense of the country the last thing? Either Kudrin looms with a trillion unused budget money, or Chubais, whose chickens don’t peck money, but for the domestic aviation we go with outstretched hand.
        ==========
        Such a strange attitude towards the citizens of Russia. Insurance for death in a plane crash - up to 3 rubles (from various sources). Treatment of little Mia (000 years old, type 000 SMA) - 1,5 rubles (from donations). Where does the money go? Where is this 2% subsoil profit? Why do we need such ministers-capitalists, Sakhipzadovna is in office and a purse to which no one has access?
        We finished playing with private shops ... So the war will begin, and there will be nothing to refuel the planes - there will be no kerosene ...
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 21 July 2021 07: 35
          +2
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And for whom are we keeping the NWF?

          The distribution of budgetary funds in Russia is a topic for a separate gloomy discussion; a lot of strange things are going on here. On the other hand, if this new device is aimed at export (this idea is clearly indicated in the promo videos), and our videoconferencing is not interested in it, then it turns out that the entire project is Sukhoi's own commercial initiative. Accordingly, the funds themselves are somehow sought.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 21 July 2021 07: 54
            +2
            Quote: Kalmar
            The distribution of budgetary funds in Russia is a topic for a separate gloomy discussion; a lot of strange things are going on here.

            I understand that the development of "Sukhoi" at the expense of exports has a beneficial effect on production for "domestic consumption": production experience, technical features and innovations, qualifications of workers, etc.
            Maybe there is something wrong with the priorities?
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 21 July 2021 09: 57
              +3
              Quote: ROSS 42
              I understand that the development of "Sukhoi" at the expense of exports has a beneficial effect on production for "domestic consumption"

              Undoubtedly. In essence, the normal development of any Russian company is a good thing and beneficial for the country's economy.
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Maybe there is something wrong with the priorities?

              But yes, the priorities of our government are sometimes frankly confusing. Especially when it comes to finance.
  34. Peaceful Basmach
    Peaceful Basmach 20 July 2021 18: 43
    -2
    Yandex wrote that like 300 units. for the needs of the Russian army will be made. First flight In 2023!
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 20 July 2021 22: 50
      +1
      Not . It is estimated that it will be possible to sell 300 of these machines within 15 years. This is stated in the video in the presentation. It is not yet known about the VKS whether there will be purchases of this machine.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 15
      +1
      I can't believe it, here the finished Su57 with slippage goes into series ...
  35. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 20 July 2021 18: 47
    +1
    not as a specialist or user, BUT as an interested person ... but he's cool)))
  36. Constanty
    Constanty 20 July 2021 18: 47
    +3
    The maximum overload is indicated at 8 units.


    A bit small for a fighter - until now the 9G was a kind of benchmark for Soviet MiG-29 or Su-27 fighters. Same as F-16.

    This does not bode well for the new aircraft in terms of above average maneuverability.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 20 July 2021 19: 03
      +1
      Quote: Constanty
      A bit small for a fighter - until now the 9G was a kind of benchmark for Soviet MiG-29 or Su-27 fighters. Same as F-16.

      It is believed that high maneuverability in our time is gradually losing its importance. Missile armament is being improved, so that close combat at "cannon" ranges (where super-maneuverability is needed) becomes unlikely. To evade missiles, it is also not so necessary: ​​modern missiles can maneuver with overloads that are beyond the limit for an aircraft (tens of G), in any case it will not work to dodge.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 20 July 2021 19: 41
        +2
        Yes, this is true, but no one refuses maneuverability - even the "non-penguin" F-35A has a maximum overload of 9G.
    2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
      Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 01: 18
      -1
      Quote: Constanty
      The maximum overload is indicated at 8 units.


      A bit small for a fighter - until now the 9G was a kind of benchmark for Soviet MiG-29 or Su-27 fighters. Same as F-16.

      This does not bode well for the new aircraft in terms of above average maneuverability.

      stealth is now in first place, followed by the capabilities of avionics and weapons. Whoever saw the enemy first and fired, as a rule, won. You can't get away from the rocket with just one maneuver - if you twist one (which is very unlikely), you will get the second.
      The great myth of great maneuverability, probably, has been living since the time when the missiles did not yet possess reliable seeker, and products with TGSN could only be launched into the rear hemisphere - i.e. having previously "twisted the carousel" with the enemy (examples to you with the combat effectiveness of Sparrow and Sidewinder and their domestic counterparts). Now with all-aspect and multispectral heads, you can shoot from any position.
      1. Yuri V.A
        Yuri V.A 21 July 2021 03: 22
        0
        Well, now you yourself are creating a great myth about the omnipotence of missiles.
        1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
          Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 09: 32
          -1
          Quote: Yuri V.A
          Well, now you yourself create a great myth about the omnipotence of missiles.

          I am only saying that the emphasis has shifted. From high maneuverability towards stealth, avionics and weapons capabilities, incl. defensive. It is they who are now called upon to reduce the likelihood of hitting the aircraft, by every possible reduction of its signatures and jamming, up to a virtual false target, as well as by firing anti-missiles. In terms of energy parameters, the aircraft (especially with a person on board) is not a rival to the rocket.
          1. Yuri V.A
            Yuri V.A 21 July 2021 12: 11
            +2
            That's right, only a mixing of emphasis is like a swing, yesterday is maneuverability, today is stealth, tomorrow again speed ... And when gaining new abilities, it is advisable not to lose the best old ones.
  37. Kalmar
    Kalmar 20 July 2021 19: 00
    +4
    The maximum combat load is 7,4 tons.

    From this place in more detail. The Su-35 has 8 tons. What kind of engine is this?
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 19: 44
      0
      and hence the bulk on an external suspension.
  38. Blond84
    Blond84 20 July 2021 19: 12
    -1
    But all the same, well done, because a week ago I hadn't thought about him in a dream or in the spirit. And right now on you
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 19: 46
      -1
      And right now on you
      what are you wearing? A mock-up with poorly painted rivets not a cover for the lantern? Which is so robust on the radar?
  39. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 20 July 2021 19: 27
    +5
    Air intake and air duct to the engine from below.
    This means that the internal compartments for weapons are on the sides.
    But the fuselage is pretty narrow ...
    It turns out that the compartments are small recourse
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 20: 07
      -3
      The bays are the largest in their class.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 20 July 2021 20: 20
        +3
        All aircraft are stealth with internal compartments, the main compartments are at the bottom.
        And small, additional ones - on the sides.
        For the Su-57, because of the widely spaced engines, the compartments actually turned out to be large.
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 20: 41
          +2
          Alexey) Here's the main compartment)


      2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 20: 36
        -1
        Quote: El Chuvachino
        The largest bays in their class

        just because you said so? But in fact, it turns out that the aircraft will have two small side compartments, because the space below is swept out by an air duct to the engine (the air intake of the lower location, these are not side ones, as on the F-35) and a landing gear niche. There is not much space. If you did not suffer from strabismus, you would have noticed this in the published photos.
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 20: 42
          -1
          This is not the first time you are talking about something that you do not know and do not understand, and therefore you are not interesting to me. Bye.
          1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
            Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 21: 00
            -4
            those. in front of me is another chuvachello with ChSV.
    2. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 21: 02
      +2
      You underestimated the S-shape of the channel)
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 20 July 2021 21: 08
        +2
        If the duct is S-shaped, then there is room for the lower compartment.
        But it turns out that the compartment with the weapon is attached to the bottom of the air duct?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 21: 40
          -1
          There will be 3 compartments.

        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 July 2021 07: 17
          +1
          The air duct can be bent upwards and be S-shaped, and a compartment is integrated into it from below.
  40. V means B
    V means B 20 July 2021 19: 40
    -1
    I still don't understand, is it in metal and flies, or is it just a model, for now?
    1. YaG
      YaG 20 July 2021 19: 53
      -1
      Yes, this is the domestic version of the Azovets tank. This is the layout.
  41. Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 July 2021 19: 42
    0
    Argentina is silent?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 20 July 2021 20: 03
      -1
      .. and Jamaica too ... ((
  42. Bare
    Bare 20 July 2021 20: 14
    +2
    The Checkmate - Checkmate,
    and the name is special. drinks laughing
  43. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 20 July 2021 20: 41
    0
    I immediately have a certain dissonance from the combination "there is already an intellectual assistant capable of this and that" and "a two-seat version is already being developed." It is not clear why this is ..
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 21: 03
      0
      This is for the Indians. They love sparks, dancing is more fun together wink
  44. Puper driver
    Puper driver 20 July 2021 21: 54
    -2
    We did it, flew it, showed it. It was like that before. Now all the trumpets are blowing. Secrecy? Forget it. We got cartoons, models, brochures. Yes, and the bourgeoisie laugh, and how many of them will be created? As much as the 57's? Is there at least one combat unit equipped with them. But it has no analogues. And what is the name, The Checkmate? Maybe it's easier - mastering the budget? And now you can bring it to infinity. On the example of the 57th, and a lot of things, since all hope is for the sword of the Strategic Missile Forces.
  45. Maikl59
    Maikl59 20 July 2021 22: 10
    +1
    Reincarnation of MiG_21go!
  46. Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 July 2021 22: 14
    +2
    Quote: Kalmar
    Quote: Constanty
    A bit small for a fighter - until now the 9G was a kind of benchmark for Soviet MiG-29 or Su-27 fighters. Same as F-16.

    To evade missiles, it is also not so necessary: ​​modern missiles can maneuver with overloads that are beyond the limit for an aircraft (tens of G), in any case it will not work to dodge.

    Not certainly in that way. Maneuvering at the right moment with a combination of interference allows you to dodge the missile.
  47. Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 July 2021 22: 15
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    Quote: Dikson
    .. and Jamaica too ... ((

    Potential customers include a hint of the Emirates, Vietnam, India and Argentina.
  48. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 21 July 2021 05: 51
    +1
    The presentation says a lot more:
  49. Lew
    Lew 21 July 2021 08: 07
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    The aircraft is a prototype of future variations on the theme ... By the time of production, it will undergo part of the changes associated with the power plant, the layout of the cabin compartment and possibly part of the fuselage for another new engine, (quite possibly vertical takeoff.) sample. There is something else, but as they say, not for broadcast.
  50. nikolai.soot
    nikolai.soot 21 July 2021 12: 23
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    For our, eternal friends, they think and so it will come down ....