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Wheels of Soviet cinema. "Seventeen Moments of Spring"

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Wheels of Soviet cinema. "Seventeen Moments of Spring"

Almost half a century ago, the immortal series "Seventeen Moments of Spring" was released on TV screens.


Charismatic actors, wonderfully staged scenes, excellent work of costume designers and make-up artists. Everything was done to make the film remembered and loved for decades. There is no longer the country where it was filmed, and people aged, looking at a passing retro car, mutter with a grin:

- In! Stirlitz went ...

Now, thanks to collectors and reenactors, you can see, touch and even rent almost any vehicle. If something is very original, then computer graphics will always come to the rescue. This is used by modern workers of the domestic "Hollywood". Whether it's old Moscow, an unnamed town in the vastness of Russia, or the hero city of Stalingrad, two or three cars of that era are hired for a moderate amount, and even a truck with a bus for extras.

So they roam around the block allocated for filming. And we look and nod: the main character in the "emka", the bad hero in the "Opel", the soldiers will arrive in the "lorry", in principle, later the bandits will arrive at the warehouse in the same "lorry", but it doesn't matter ...

It was a different matter half a century ago, when they began filming "Seventeen Moments of Spring".

Tatyana Lioznova wanted to create a film as close to reality as possible. Therefore, the scenes were filmed in different parts of the USSR and the near abroad, the uniform (even German) was sewn by the atelier of the General Staff, and close attention was paid to the scenery and accompanying attributes. So it is with cars.

Here the first embarrassment happened ...

Based on the novel by Julian Semyonov, Stirlitz traveled around Berlin in Horch-853. Luxurious car, agree.


"Mercedes"


There was a similar car in Moscow at that time and even took part in the filming of films, but it was not possible to agree with the owner for such a long-term lease. Then they retreated and "transplanted" the protagonist to a Mercedes-Benz 230W 143.


Quite a modest replacement, but out of more than 20 thousand cars produced, a sufficient number "migrated" in the form of trophies to the USSR. It is another matter that many of them were in a deplorable state at the time of filming.

We managed to use three cars. Moreover, the one that was acquired specifically for Mosfilm broke down almost immediately. Seriously and forever. It was used as a stationary exhibit and on a special device, when the cameraman's camera shoots a close-up of the hero's face, and newsreels "scroll" in the background. In general, the leading actor Vyacheslav Tikhonov performed almost all his reflections and attentive glances in the rearview mirror in a Mercedes that was parked.

However, not always.

During filming in the Baltics and the GDR, similar vehicles were selected. True, they differed slightly in small details, but the viewer mostly did not notice this. It is these cars that bear the brunt of the dynamic scenes.

It would be here to finish the story - the theme of Stirlitz's car is revealed.

But that was not the case - the main character moved around Germany not only in a Mercedes, but other cars were also included in the shots.

What kind? Let's figure it out ...

"Wanderer" and others


In the second episode, Stirlitz is taken to a meeting with agent provocateur Klaus in a Wanderer W23 convertible. Like that ...


More ... In the fifth episode, the protagonist is pursued by the Gestapo in a dark Opel Captain.


By the way, in terms of rank, such a car would be more suitable for Stirlitz in life, but this is already the opinion of auto historians.

In the eighth episode, pastor Schlag and Stirlitz, covering their tracks, transplant into something very ancient. It turns out that this is the "Wanderer W15".


In the mountains, in the Swiss Alps, Pastor Schlag and a Soviet scout arrived in a BMW 327. Approximately, on this one.


Considering that they were filmed in Georgia, in Borjomi, the filmmakers were still lucky to find such a rarity there ...

In Episode 12, two taxis flash by. One - "Ford V8", the other - "BMW 321", however, as experts note, it is noticeable that the hand of a "craftsman" was already attached to them. Some details from other models.

Also in the frame were "Khanomag Record", "Horch 830", some others and ...

ZIL-130! It is he who drives by in the background, when Stirlitz is sleeping in the car, and the voice-over announces that in half an hour he will wake up and go to Berlin ...
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  1. Luminman
    Luminman 21 July 2021 18: 11
    +10
    With such a terrible fuel shortage in 1945, Stirlitz drove around Berlin as if he was living in Saidovskaya Arabia.
    1. chenia
      chenia 21 July 2021 18: 35
      +16
      Quote: Luminman
      With such a terrible fuel shortage in 1945,


      The confidant of the custodian of the "party gold" could afford this. Well, Alex Eustace always helped.
    2. Evil troll
      Evil troll 21 July 2021 18: 42
      +21
      Stirlitz had a small rubber hose and Soviet ingenuity laughing
      1. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 21 July 2021 18: 46
        +24
        Yeah, that's why there was a terrible shortage of fuel in 1945 in the Third Reich. Maxim Maksimovich brought Victory closer in all possible ways!
        1. sanya_sergant
          sanya_sergant 22 July 2021 00: 09
          +11
          We do not forget that Stirlitz was not some kind of Stirlitz, like some kind of corporal, the illegitimate son of a miller, who never had his own house, but the whole von Stirlitz, which implied the presence of a castle, an estate, indicated an aristocratic origin ...
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 27 July 2021 07: 35
            -1
            "von Stirlitz" actually the Germans do not have the surname Stirlitz. Similar in sound: Stenglitz, Stiegler (?) So a familiar German woman told me
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 27 July 2021 09: 11
              +2
              That's right! Semyonov invented all this! This is for me too ... a German friend said. In secret. laughing
      2. Alexey Stepanov
        Alexey Stepanov 21 July 2021 19: 25
        +16
        Quote: Angry Troll
        Stirlitz had a small rubber hose and Soviet ingenuity

        What for? The center regularly supplied Stirlitz with gas coupons
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 22 July 2021 10: 07
          +1
          In addition, on weekends, Stirlitz taxed around Berlin. He took Jews - guest workers - to the border.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 July 2021 18: 53
      +5
      Quote: Luminman
      With such a terrible fuel shortage in 1945, Stirlitz drove around Berlin as if he was living in Saidovskaya Arabia.

      So transfer him to a Volkswagen, the film would not be attractive. And there it was possible for a mare harnessed to a cart.
      The main thing in the film is "to make the suit fit."
    4. Finches
      Finches 21 July 2021 19: 01
      +9
      I'm talking about a movie! Why are they filming bad movies - money, unmeasuredly, computer graphics ... and the output is a "masterpiece" that I regularly put down the toilet before going to work? In the USSR, there were also shitty films, but we don't even remember about them, and now we have to watch only shitty films, because there are no others, they don’t shoot! Damn with us, the generation of "poor" scoops, but young people have something to do with it. .. Therefore, the idea of ​​mass shootings of pests is very attractive for the sake of the cultural development of the nation ... laughing
      1. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 21 July 2021 19: 56
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        I'm talking about a movie!

        I read the book before the show started
        I watched without stopping, although I knew what would happen next
        1. odometer
          odometer 22 July 2021 17: 41
          -1
          This is the very case when the film is much more powerful than literary squalor ... hi
    5. Catfish
      Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 39
      +14
      The Germans have been successfully driving synthetic gasoline for a long time, and the security service of any country could always afford much more than was available to the average man in the street.
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 21 July 2021 22: 23
        +2
        If Stirlitz is considered "our Bond", then in the next film adaptations he can be seen on a good exclusive, hand-assembled, like "Doble Model E".
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 21 July 2021 22: 29
          +2
          Anything like that? smile
          1. ycuce234-san
            ycuce234-san 21 July 2021 22: 38
            +1
            And battle scenes featuring SK 13 Dampfschlepper. According to the economic consequences of the Versailles Accords, the Germans produced freight ferries that were on the move in WWII - therefore, the high-speed chase of the SS men in a steam truck for a ferry car is quite historical. Ferry cars of sport modifications were very nimble mechanisms - they accelerated, it seems, and up to 130 km / h - then usually motorcycles could go like this, and even then not all.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 July 2021 22: 42
              +3
              Do you mean this nightmare? wassat

              I can hardly imagine chasing him even for a bicycle.
              1. ycuce234-san
                ycuce234-san 21 July 2021 22: 57
                +1
                Well, he is straight through the bushes and fields, cutting off the road ... and the "beater" will be Škoda Sentinel.
                According to some reports, the armor was not removed from the Hetzers, on the chassis of which the experienced parotanks were built.
                And the plot is logical and the reason for the chase - the scout stole from the Germans an important technological secret on the steam engine, with the help of which they would cease to be strongly dependent on oil in ground transport.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 21 July 2021 23: 31
                  +3
                  The plot, however. smile
                  1. ycuce234-san
                    ycuce234-san 22 July 2021 00: 27
                    +3
                    Quite in the spirit of that time - even a little ordinary.
                    "Proxima Centauri" was written in 1935 (Murray Leinster) and not something but exploits the idea of ​​a space "ship of generations" - a new world war was approaching, people understood this perfectly and still thought, they wrote books about something that looks modern even now , in the era of the decline of astronautics. Heinlein early - this is the 1930s and from the roaring twenties and thirties protrude the ears of any "Star Marines". The classic steam "War of the Worlds" is much older - 1897, in 1861 only serfdom was only abolished and revolution and did not smell yet.
    6. t-12
      t-12 21 July 2021 20: 25
      +6
      1944, a car with a gas generator:

    7. gansshlosser
      gansshlosser 23 July 2021 07: 27
      +1
      Stirlitz is one of the top officers. Due to the status. Why should he ride a mare?
  2. SaLaR
    SaLaR 21 July 2021 18: 12
    +12
    What beautiful cars used to be ............
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 July 2021 18: 54
      +8
      Quote: SaLaR
      What beautiful cars used to be ............

      So at that time people did for people.
      1. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 21 July 2021 19: 03
        +13
        Everything was done "for centuries", conscientiously, and not like now - the sooner the equipment (any household, not only cars) breaks down, the sooner a new one will be bought.
  3. AsmyppoL
    AsmyppoL 21 July 2021 18: 21
    +14
    I also read it with great interest!
    But I didn't even pay attention to such beautiful cars ...
  4. knn54
    knn54 21 July 2021 18: 24
    +17
    "Car of the Year" (Grand Prix) of the famous Paris Motor Show in 1935. It was worth 18 thousand Reichsmarks. In those days, for this money, you could buy a couple of country houses.
    The chief of Stirlitz-Walter Schellenberg drove such a car.
    It's time for "Audi" to revive this TM.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      21 July 2021 18: 28
      +31
      Traditionally, I want to thank all the commentators who leave their impressions on the "page" - this helps in writing the following articles)))
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 July 2021 18: 51
        +11
        Igor thanks for the article, it is easy and pleasant to read !!!
        Regards, Vlad!
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 21 July 2021 18: 54
        +3
        Nazariy, why, according to your logic, Stirlitz was obliged to drive only one car? What about the radio operator, what about Pasteur, what about the appointment with Himmler? wink
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 14
          +10
          This is not according to the Evoi "logic", but according to the "logic" of Semyonov and Lioznova. Nazarius did not write the book and the script. laughing
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 21 July 2021 19: 19
            +5
            Firstly. He voiced it. Secondly, how do you imagine Mercedes Stirlitz at the house of the radio operator, during the execution of the sentence to Klaus, at the office of Himmler and, for example, crossing the border between Kat and Stirlitz? I think the garage in the SD was not small and his position allowed him to use different cars for different situations.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 28
              +12
              That's right, but the Mosfilm garage was by no means a copy of the garage of the Main Directorate of Imperial Security, which included the notorious SD. smile
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 21 July 2021 19: 31
                +1
                Kostya, I don’t remember that in the film they showed the garage of the Main Directorate of Imperial Security. What does the Mosfilm garage have to do with it?
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 37
                  +7
                  So the old cars had to be taken somewhere, right? And from where on "Mosfilm" it was possible to collect so many different wheelbarrows, for all trips of the disguised Stirlitz? But the SD and the Gestapo, even during the war, could afford it. I'm just talking about the possibilities. smile
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina 21 July 2021 19: 48
                    +5
                    Kostya, for lack of a stamp, write in simple. There are several different cars in the movie for each occasion. So what, that there was no such machine as in 1945? Tell me more that Stirlitz did not bake potatoes in the fireplace ... wink What a writer wrote is not always feasible in films. Nevertheless, the film looks even after many years in the same breath. True, he is already on the drum when young.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 21 July 2021 20: 04
                      +5
                      What a writer wrote is not always feasible in films.

                      So I'm talking about it -
                      I'm just talking about the possibilities. smile

                      True, he is already on the drum when young.

                      I disagree, my son has one of his most beloved, this one.
            2. Avior
              Avior 21 July 2021 19: 49
              +2
              probably, there was still some kind of
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 21 July 2021 19: 52
                +2
                Quote: Avior
                probably, there was still some kind of

                Sergey, of course! As far as I remember from the movie, it was a black Mercedes.
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 32
        +10
        Igor, hello! smile
        And I want to traditionally thank you for a good article. good drinks
        By the way, Horch, in the top picture, I saw it live. In Moscow, at VDNKh, an exhibition of retro cars was held once a year, and this car was regularly present there. The genuine leather seats were especially killing, they were as good as new.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          21 July 2021 19: 43
          +10
          Good day! laughing Right now I am exaggerating the topic of another film, where, as well, there were "problems" with foreign cars. I figured out some of them quickly, and with some copies I was already tired of "shoveling" the encyclopedia!)))
          I think a short cycle about movie wheels will not hurt for entertainment and distraction)))
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 56
            +6
            Of course, it won't hurt, no one in any way. Good luck! smile drinks
    2. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 22 July 2021 00: 06
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      "Car of the Year" (Grand Prix) of the famous Paris Motor Show in 1935.
      It's time for "Audi" to revive this TM.

      It seems like Horch has been part of Auto Union AG since the 30s of the last century among the four auto companies of the union.
      Many people know the history of creation and the name of the new Audi auto-company by engineer August Horch, when he created the first auto-company Horch from which he "left".

      Audi is in Latin what Horch is in German.
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 21 July 2021 18: 29
    +11
    Despite the inconsistencies in details, the Soviet audience received the picture warmly. Even Muller performed by Leonid Bronevoy evoked sympathy. And we believed that only a Soviet person could "fool" the entire Reich like that. But in life everything is much more tragic (about the traitors inside):
    1. knn54
      knn54 21 July 2021 18: 37
      +10
      Gruppenfuehrer Wolf presented Vasily Lanovoy with a bottle of elite cognac. Apparently he liked how the actor embodied it in the film.
      And a person like Müller would be hurt that he was "played" by a Jew.
      Although Armor is great, and not only in this film.
      Nazarius, keep it up.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 16
        +6
        And a person like Müller would be hurt that he was "played" by a Jew.

        Very interesting remark. laughing Where did you communicate with Müller, in Moscow at the German cemetery?
        1. knn54
          knn54 21 July 2021 20: 40
          +4
          Sea cat, this story about Mueller at the German cemetery was given to you.
          Everything is much simpler. 1980v. one of the colleagues, who came from the GDR, was friends with a German policeman.
          Who turned out to be a distant relative of the Gruppenfuehrer.
          Moreover, our officer was struck not so much by hostility on the issue we were discussing, but by the fact that it was voiced by an officer, a member of the SED.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 July 2021 20: 52
            +5
            Come on, Nikolai, all this is their area of ​​rumors, and it does not matter. And, most likely, Müller would not have liked the fact that the actor who played him, the real Müller, was not like him in any way.



            And, as Schellenberg wrote, Mueller absolutely cared about anyone's nationality, he was a hardened pragmatist.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 July 2021 19: 53
        +2
        Quote: knn54
        And a person like Müller would be hurt that he was "played" by a Jew.

        Interestingly, isn't Mueller from a Sephardic family?
      3. Nurdom
        Nurdom 21 July 2021 21: 08
        +2
        If a good Jewish writer Yulian Semyonovich Lyandres could write a good book, and then a good script "17 Moments of Spring", and the Jewess Tatyana Moiseevna Lioznova is good at directing this film, then who, if not a good Jewish actor, Leonid Solomonovich Faktorovich, play is there Müller?

        Jews end in Russia, and with them a good movie ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 July 2021 18: 57
      +3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Even Muller performed by Leonid Bronevoy evoked sympathy.

      Everything is fine, Bronevoy just corresponds to Mueller.
      1. Luminman
        Luminman 21 July 2021 20: 33
        +4
        The real Müller was young and thin. And some grandfather with a belly is running on the screen. Although Bronevoy, of course, played the role perfectly well!
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 21 July 2021 22: 31
          +4
          The actor showed by his appearance "the essence of a man" - a hardened man-wolf. Mueller has an ordinary appearance and, when recruiting, decided that such an actor would not be able to outwardly reveal his character, so he had to take a Karabasobarabass-like actor, as in a children's matinee.
  6. SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 21 July 2021 18: 31
    +14
    Here the first embarrassment happened ...
    Yes, because when watching these masterpieces and you do not pay attention to these little things, the plots and the ingenious acting were so captivating! These are the bloopers who come into their eyes so much that they are very annoying, and in Soviet films they were not even noticed. danke schen - the products of the German car industry are, of course, beautiful ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 21 July 2021 18: 44
      +13
      Quote: SERGE ant
      Yes, because when watching these masterpieces and do not pay attention to these little things, the plots and brilliant acting were so captivating!

      good
      It's hard to argue with you. Some kind of warmth of Soviet films makes it possible to “watch” them without looking at the screen - just listen. Dialogues, speech turns, verified emotions, genuine feelings. Are there any modern Russian "masterpieces" that you would like to listen to like radio? Yes, hell there.
      ==========
      The author, do not hesitate to write. It turned out great and informative.
      good
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 July 2021 19: 01
        +5
        Quote: ROSS 42
        It's hard to argue with you. Some kind of warmth of Soviet films makes it possible to “watch” them without looking at the screen - just listen.

        Now, if you listen to the film, but don't watch, the "attic" is blown away. And if you look but don't listen, you don't understand anything.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 21 July 2021 19: 06
        +4
        Yuri Vasilievich, or maybe because in childhood we listened to radio performances, where the brain had to reproduce the appearance of the characters, the area, the type or kind of room, furniture? wink Thus, our brain developed, it was forced to think .... And now? Even the intonation and timbre of the young are somehow homosexual ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 July 2021 19: 57
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          And now? Even the intonation and timbre of the young are somehow homosexual ...

          Especially STS, this shows (although I do not look) but only listen while lying in bed, when my youngest is watching this nonsense.
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 23 July 2021 15: 26
          0
          Quote: sabakina
          we listened to radio plays

          hi They listened, listened! And they were of very high quality - the best actors sounded ... With the advent of TV, they came to naught ...
  7. SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 21 July 2021 18: 38
    +15
    ZIL-130! It is he who drives by in the background
    Airfield scene - Schellenberg meets Wolf. An-2 with a swastika stands at the airfield (the aircraft began to be produced in 1947). Gestapo officers are greeted by Wolf, standing next to the UAZ-452-"Loaf".
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 July 2021 19: 04
      +8
      Quote: SERGE ant
      Gestapo officers are greeted by Wolf, standing next to the UAZ-452-"Loaf".

      I don't know about Mosfilm, but at Lenfilm at that time, there were a lot of German props. Well, they could even have rented it from the "Defa" film studio (there were definitely no loaves there).
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 21 July 2021 19: 09
      +16
      Scene at the airport - Schellenberg meets Wolf ... Gestapo officers meet Wolf, standing next to the UAZ-452 "Loaf".

      1. Undecim
        Undecim 21 July 2021 19: 13
        +13
        An-2 with a swastika stands at the airfield

        1. Undecim
          Undecim 21 July 2021 19: 18
          +14
          And Wolf came out of Li-2,
          1. Pico
            Pico 21 July 2021 19: 22
            +6
            You know how to supplement articles with high-quality images.
          2. Constanty
            Constanty 21 July 2021 20: 00
            +10
            Although the Germans had a DC-2, the swastika was drawn differently.

      2. Catfish
        Catfish 21 July 2021 20: 30
        +3
        And the client's cap on the right somehow does not correspond to that time.
    3. Constanty
      Constanty 21 July 2021 19: 40
      +15
      ZIL-130! It is he who drives by in the background

      And Lada 2101 fool
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        21 July 2021 19: 52
        +9
        I mean...

        laughing
        1. igor67
          igor67 21 July 2021 20: 38
          +12
          ... And the horse is famous
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 22 July 2021 09: 28
            +4
            good Cool! Respect to you.
            1. igor67
              igor67 22 July 2021 11: 38
              +1
              Thank you always glad drinks
  8. Seryoga64
    Seryoga64 21 July 2021 18: 45
    +8
    This is where the first embarrassment occurred.

    I also read about another embarrassment in the magazine "Soviet Screen"
    For extras as security, I don't remember what kind of building, well, where Mueller's office was, the participants in the filming invited their friends. They changed their clothes and Lioznova decided to look at them.
    She looked and was horrified. It turned out they were solid Jews laughing
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 22
      +16
      Lioznova had a person on staff responsible for recruiting extras, so he put the children of his friends and relatives to earn a little extra money.
      Lioznova, when she saw a crowd of Jews in SS uniform, told him: "Solomon Izrailevich, we are still making a film not about the Israeli army."
      All were urgently replaced by Kremlin cadets.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 21 July 2021 19: 44
        +8
        Cadets-border guards from the Estonian SSR in the number of 50 people.
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 21 July 2021 19: 54
          +2
          Quote: hohol95
          Cadets-border guards from the Estonian SSR in the amount of 50 people

          Well, I give it. Everything is like choosing a blonde
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 58
          +6
          Aleksey, something is doubtful, is it that a whole carriage from Estonia was brought to Mosfilm? Everything about everything will be a little expensive. request
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 21 July 2021 20: 01
            +2
            Maybe not 50, but 20. But not the Kremlin cadets.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 July 2021 20: 07
              +4
              Maybe not 50, but 20.

              Not the point. After all, they need to be brought, resettled and fed, they were not used for the same day.
              And all this is not important.
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 22 July 2021 09: 30
                +4
                Konstantin, they did not spare money for such films for extras (army extras). Check out how many soldiers were used in the "War and Peace" battle scenes. From memory about 2 divisions.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 22 July 2021 09: 39
                  +3
                  Hi Aleksey. hi
                  You do remember how much the soldier was paid then, and the feeding was from the field kitchen. And the cadet is not a conscript soldier, he has a different attitude and other money.
                  But here there was not enough money for "Horch":
                  ... it was not possible to agree with the owner for such a long-term lease.

                  Yes, all these are little things in life - the film turned out to be excellent. good
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 22 July 2021 09: 49
                    +3
                    hi Greetings. The key "Soviet cadet")) This is now "quarters for four", "after the third year you can go to a rented apartment", etc. And then ... Well, you know yourself. And so yes, the film is excellent. But the book is strong too.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 22 July 2021 10: 30
                      +1
                      But this is the first time I've heard about the "cockpit" and the rented apartment. Immediately, inequality is outlined, although papa's children are always in sight.
                      1. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 22 July 2021 10: 42
                        +3
                        But this is the first time I've heard about the "cockpit" and the rented apartment.

                        Not in all military universities (law enforcement too), but there is already such a thing. In others, they are even called not barracks, but hostels.
          2. Seryoga64
            Seryoga64 21 July 2021 21: 31
            +2
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Is this a whole carriage from Estonia driven to Mosfilm?

            Why the carriage? There are only five of them at their posts.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 July 2021 22: 09
              +3
              So they wrote:
              Cadets-border guards from the Estonian SSR in the number of 50 people.
              1. Seryoga64
                Seryoga64 21 July 2021 22: 46
                +2
                Quote: Sea Cat
                So they wrote:

                And they also wrote
                Maybe not 50, but 20. But not the Kremlin cadets
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 21 July 2021 22: 48
                  +3
                  If not 50, but 20, then it means not a carriage, but a bus. laughing The situation is the same - where is the money, Zin?
                  1. Seryoga64
                    Seryoga64 21 July 2021 22: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    If not 50, but 20, then it means not a carriage, but a bus.

                    So what are we arguing about? We don't really know the FSE laughing
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 21 July 2021 22: 54
                      +2
                      And I don’t argue, I have insomnia and there’s nothing to do anyway, at least the heat was asleep. smile
                      1. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 21 July 2021 23: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I have insomnia and still have nothing to do,

                        And I cook and glide to eat laughing
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 21 July 2021 23: 30
                        +4
                        Well, bon appetit and good kin. smile drinks
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 July 2021 20: 09
        +1
        Quote: hohol95
        Cadets-border guards from the Estonian SSR in the number of 50 people.

        Well then, these are not cadets of the Estonian SSR, but cadets of the Sisekaitse akadeemia Politsei- ja Piirivalveamet.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      21 July 2021 19: 45
      +5
      Not the Kremlin. From some kind of Baltic military school. Moreover, they tried to select more blondes and redheads.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 July 2021 20: 00
        +6
        Something I did not notice there on guard along the corridors of the blondes. smile
  9. hohol95
    hohol95 21 July 2021 19: 40
    +1
    Relatives and acquaintances were recorded by one of the "director's staff". For this he received a scolding from Lioznova.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 July 2021 18: 47
    +3
    Happy childhood. In the 70s in Sochi there were two brothers, golden hands. They had, in perfect condition, the older Opel Admiral, the younger Opel Captain, and for two a motorcycle, which I only remember that it had a double headlamp unit. if this technique is gone. The owners of the house have already changed ten times.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 July 2021 19: 06
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      They had, in perfect condition, the older Opel Admiral, the younger Opel Captain, and a motorcycle for two, which I only remember that it had a dual headlamp unit. It's a pity if such a technique was lost.

      Every year we have two “Unique” rallies, there are several hundred cars running there, and everything is in perfect (perfectly restored) condition.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 July 2021 20: 40
        +3
        Under the USSR, there was a detective story with a one-of-a-kind car. It was made for a film, the hero cut through it, like a pilot. About 9 years ago, an article came across in a tyrnet, and it ended up with a Lithuanian blacksmith. There was even a photo of this car, the engine the car died and he delivered it on horse-drawn. A Moscow collector exchanged it for two fresh foreign cars. He delivered it to a garage in Moscow, mothballed it until better times. And one fine day it was stolen. He tried to find it through the police, where he They persistently advised to forget her. And after a while the car appeared in the USA, perfectly restored, incredible beauty and price too. Imagine what forces were involved in this matter!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 21 July 2021 18: 47
    +8
    The most interesting thing in this movie is that the entire German elite trusted Stirlitz with innermost thoughts. Weiss is better for me. Less noticeable figure, but more reliable.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 July 2021 19: 22
      +1
      And to which Richard Sorge would you refer? Completely inconspicuous?
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 21 July 2021 20: 28
        +2
        Vyacheslav. Richard Sorge is a historical person, and don't think that I am not watching a fairy tale about Stirlitz. I constantly watch the excellent acting. This is the color of our cinema.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 July 2021 19: 42
          0
          Quote: nikvic46
          I constantly watch the excellent acting.

          True, not the film itself, but the play of the actors. How many wonderful films were not included in the category of the greats, only because of the wrongly chosen actors.
          But now, I looked and after two weeks I forgot.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 21 July 2021 18: 48
    +7
    at 45, the SS uniform was not black, but a field uniform with two shoulder straps, and women in the Gestapo did not wear SS uniform
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 21 July 2021 19: 47
      +4
      In the days of black-and-white cinema, it was necessary to identify a more dangerous enemy. So they separated the SS from the Wehrmacht with darker uniforms!
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 July 2021 18: 48
    +5
    I read I remember the memories of one supporting actor, how one scene was re-shot 10 times! Everything was fine, both the weather and the extras coped with the roles, but in the background of the city where the shooting was taking place, the frame constantly came across a modern Soviet trolleybus, and this is in the "Nazi Germany " lol So we reshomed the moment without the trolleybus in the frame ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 21 July 2021 18: 52
    +8
    A popular topic on Zen, the bloopers of Soviet films. It is necessary to tie up with Soviet films, sheer lies and one totalitarian propaganda, or modern Russian cinema, especially about the war, masterpieces, and what kind of computer graphics! Almost like real! laughingThese are not decorations. This is art! .. laughing Yes, the Germans did not drink water from Soviet decanters, from siphons. They did not know how to shoot. laughing
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 July 2021 19: 26
      +2
      And even after being hit by a bottle of cognac, it is not the bottle that breaks, but the head ... laughing
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 21 July 2021 19: 50
        +4
        So he beat him with a bottle of French cognac. Here the bottle cracked. And if I beat him with a bottle of Soviet vodka, I would kill ... Holtoff wassat
  • Pico
    Pico 21 July 2021 19: 13
    +6
    Informative.Respect!
    I deviate a little, I watched a video about restored retro cars, so there customers demand almost complete authenticity. Why such kooky, if some manufacturers are not left in sight. One collector was very proud that he even had tires on the spare wheel authentic to the years of serial production. auto
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 21 July 2021 20: 34
      +2
      Why such kooky

      To the fact that otherwise it is no longer restoration, but hack-work.
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 22 July 2021 09: 58
      +1
      Quote: Pico
      One collector was very proud that he even had tires on his spare wheel that were authentic to the years of production of a serial car.



      Dyadkina 21st edition 64 years old, everything is native and runs along highway 130
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 July 2021 19: 44
      +1
      Quote: Pico
      .One collector was very proud that he even had tires on the spare wheel authentic to the years of production of a serial car

      And the price immediately increases significantly.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 21 July 2021 19: 22
    +3
    Based on the novel by Julian Semyonov, Stirlitz traveled around Berlin in Horch-853. Luxurious car, agree.

    In Semyonov's novel, the Horch model is not indicated.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      21 July 2021 19: 49
      +2
      Unfortunately, I cannot find the link, but the specialist determined by the size of the tires. I can't remember literally, but something like "... Stirlitz drove his Horch without sparing 18 (or some others, I don't remember) inch tires, although I know how difficult it will be to get them later ..." uncle shoveled the literature and dug it out.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 21 July 2021 19: 59
        0
        Nazariy, if sclerosis does not fail me, the Weasel was at Bormann's. Agree, as it is not in order to have Stirlitz Hor .. Although I could be wrong.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          21 July 2021 20: 05
          +3
          There is also such a thing. And critics have pointed this out. It's not in vain that I pointed out about "Opel". In the film, by the way, Schellenberg drives the Horch. But again, in one old note there was a mention that "Horch" Stirlitz was presented for the Civil War in Spain. Although I could be wrong - it was "17 moments ...." that I did not read.
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 21 July 2021 21: 32
        +3
        There is no need to shovel here, just look at the specification to find out that the Horch 853A has 7.00-17 tires as standard. This size is not unique and some firms produce such tires today for restorers and owners of retro cars.
  • demo
    demo 21 July 2021 19: 40
    +9
    In the first moments, when reading the first lines, music comes to mind, I'm not afraid of this comparison - the immortal (maybe for me?) Mikaela Tariverdiyeva.
    Then the carved face of Tikhonov.
    And then the whole creative team, actors.
    There was an era. There were actors. There was a movie.
    Malakhov was not there. There was no Malysheva.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcJ2KZ_K01Q
    Just listen!
    What a longing spoken by music.
    This is beyond the power of today's Krutoy and Nikolaevs.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 22 July 2021 09: 33
      +2
      Mikaela Tariverdiyeva

      Honor his son Karen.
  • Xlor
    Xlor 21 July 2021 20: 01
    +4
    Quote: Sea Cat
    The Germans have been successfully driving synthetic gasoline for a long time.

    They drove when everything was ok with the war. But, by 1945, the Saar, where coal was mined, from which synthetic gasoline was made, lay in ruins. And by 1944, chemical plants in West Germany either came under the control of the Allies, or were also in ruins ...
  • Luminman
    Luminman 21 July 2021 20: 05
    +5
    Quote: knn54
    Gruppenführer Wolf presented Vasily Lanovoy with a bottle of elite cognac

    Wolf handed the brandy to Yu. Semyonov, but Semyonov drank it himself. Anyway, so the legend says
  • Catfish
    Catfish 21 July 2021 20: 24
    +6
    ... great work of dressers


    Not at all sure about that.

    On the left sleeve, above the cuffs of SD officers serving in headquarters and directorates, there must be a black ribbon with silver stripes along the edges pogon-werm-19-03.jpg (4077 bytes), on which the place of service is indicated in silver letters.





    A sleeve tape with an inscription indicating that the owner is serving in the SD Department. Stirlitz had to wear this tape on the left sleeve of his light gray SD uniform.

    There were also some bloopers in form, now, on a vskidku, I don’t remember right away.
    1. t-12
      t-12 21 July 2021 20: 50
      +2
      The tape is a trifle compared to the officer on duty in the corridor with the rank of Hauptsturmführer (captain).
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 July 2021 20: 52
        +4
        "The Devil in the Details" request
    2. bubalik
      bubalik 21 July 2021 21: 13
      +5
      There were also some bloopers in form, now, on a vskidku, I don’t remember right away.
      ,, add it more, Konstantin hi
      On the right sleeves of the Mueller and Stirlitz uniforms, there are stripes in the form of a thin chevron. This is a distinctive sign of the "old fighters" who joined the NSDAP before it came to power in 1933. Stirlitz was entitled to such a patch, but Müller joined the party only on May 31, 1939.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 July 2021 21: 17
        +6
        Hello, Sergey! hi
        That's right, Müller at one time, as a policeman, was equally successful in driving both the Communists and the Nazis. laughing
  • Luminman
    Luminman 21 July 2021 20: 39
    +5
    Quote: Sea Cat
    There were also bloopers in form, now, on a skip, I don't remember right away

    By this time, the black uniform was gone for a long time
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 21 July 2021 20: 53
      +3
      Absolutely.
  • t-12
    t-12 21 July 2021 20: 41
    +5
    What surprised me most was that in 1945 there were bars in Berlin; that visitors place orders without grocery cards; that young healthy people do not fight at the front, but work as waiters:

  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 21 July 2021 21: 03
    +8
    Like the author, I enjoy looking at auto-rarities of the 30s. I studied many of them in perfect condition in the Riga auto museum "Rigas Motors"


  • businessv
    businessv 21 July 2021 23: 21
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    very much even nothing-attractive for the cultural development of the nation ..
    And for raising the general educational level of the nation and its medicine, it would also be good! smile
  • Weddinger
    Weddinger 22 July 2021 01: 47
    +2
    I also read about the trail somewhere. errors:
    1 After 1939 (the beginning of the war), the black uniform was used as a ceremonial one, and the everyday one was a mouse-gray - Feldgrau, including by any SS and SD.
    2 The Gestapo (hello to Müller!) Was a civilian organization and its employees wore jackets, not uniforms. Although it is already clear that it is more convenient to sneak up and track criminals in civilian clothes
    3 Women in Germany did not serve, so a woman in an SS uniform is clearly overkill
    4 On the carriage where Comrade Stirlitz planted Kat, there was an inscription "Tara 60 t" (although this is not the worst mistake)

    It is not clear why it was impossible to find a consultant in the GDR on these issues and on the supply of equipment, because the USSR supplied Indians from Kazakhstan for the DEFA-GDR, so cooperation was

    And it was easy for Wolf to play at the airfield, because even now, seeing the UAZ "Loaf", anyone will be afraid that it is necessary to go somewhere in THIS
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 22 July 2021 09: 44
      +3
      2 The Gestapo (hello to Müller!) Was a civilian organization and its employees wore jackets, not uniforms.

      There were a bunch of departments. Including Kripo, used as police officers
      ranks
      [i] [/ i]
      And ranks[b] [/ b] SS.
      For jackets, the Gestapo in the occupied territories, counterintelligence departments - did everyone also wear jackets? GUF also in "jackets" and "civilians"?
      Women did not serve in Germany,
      Do you recall the title of Hitler's pilot?
      The rest I agree.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 22 July 2021 09: 52
    0
    Stirlitz famously broke away from the chase of the Gestapo in his Mercedes.
    -Where did you learn to drive like that? Bormann asked him.
    - In Osaviakhim - answered Stirlitz and thought: Didn't I blurt out something superfluous ?!

    For the third time in the last five minutes, Stirlitz saw through the window of his Mercedes Müller voting on the sidelines ....
    - Mocks - Mueller thought.
    - Ring - Stirlitz summed up.
  • Alf
    Alf 22 July 2021 20: 58
    0
    but it was not possible to agree with the owner for such a long-term lease.

    The owner is alternatively gifted. I could have cut down the money, make my car famous and say to all my friends-acquaintances, and Stirlitz himself drove in my Mercedes.
    Greed does not lead to good ...