On the Mongolian border. Xi Xia Empire

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Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara. Xi Xia Empire. Hara Hota. PRC. GE. Russia

In the previous article, we focused on the events associated with the death of the Khitan Liao nomadic empire, defeated by the Jurchen Tungus tribal union, which created the Jin empire.

But the second non-Chinese empire that existed during the Mongol invasion was the empire of the Tangut tribe - Xi Xia.



Who are the Tanguts?


The ancestors of the Tanguts, the Qiang tribes, lived in western China, on the border with Tibet. Their early state of Tuyuyhun (285–663) was defeated by their kin Tibetans, and they moved north to Ordos territory. The self-name of this ethnos is Minya, in the European tradition adopted from the Mongols, they are called Tanguts.

The Tanguts lived in a tribal society, some of them lived on Chinese territory, and their leaders were Chinese employees. From the X century. because of the weakness of the Chinese states, the Tanguts acquire independence. With the emergence of the Songs, the Tanguts initially obeyed the empire, but changes in the tribal society, the transition to a territorial community led to the creation of an independent and independent potestary structure of the Tanguts.


Camel. Tang Empire. British museum. Great Britain. Photo by the author

At the head of this movement was Ji-Qiang, the first sovereign of Xi Xia or Da Xia. Legend has it that he had his teeth cut through before he was born. He did a lot of military exercises, hunted a lot, was the best shooter among the Tanguts, once, having met a tiger, he killed him with the first arrow. Ji-Qiang began a war with the powerful and newly formed Song empire in 982. Nevertheless, as it turned out, the opponents turned out to be equal in strength: the Song troops did not seek to invade the desert areas of the Tanguts, and they did not try to penetrate into Chinese territory.

Ji-Qiang formed a management system for the leadership of the army and the Tangut tribes. But the Tanguts could not stand alone against the Song empire, so they accepted patronage from the Liao empire. So from the rebellious border foreman of the Song empire, he became the ruler of the new state, in 990 he received a letter with the title of Wang (head) of the Xia state from Liao.

Ji-Qiang was forced to constantly maneuver: he either accepted positions from the Songs, then besieged their cities and raided, evading battles with the Song expeditionary forces. After the capture of the city of Lizhou (present-day Guangxi-Zhuang Autonomous Region, PRC), the Tanguts blocked western trade to the Chinese. The Chinese prevented the Tanguts from trading in salt, a key product of their export. The horses were the second.

After lengthy clashes, Song decided to transfer the five western districts, inhabited by Tanguts and Chinese, to Ji-Qiang - this is how the state core of Xi Xia was formed.

On the Mongolian border. Xi Xia Empire
Ancient Tibetan warriors. Reconstruction by M. Gorelik

From the north, the Tatars became their neighbors, from the north-west and west - the Uighurs and Tibetans. The Uyghur lands of Ganzhou, Suzhou, Guangzhou and Shazhou were captured by the Tanguts in 1035, and they also conquered a part of the Tibetans, who actively resisted them both in the west and in the east. From the south-east they bordered on the Song empire, from the east - with Liao, and after 1125 - with the Jurchen empire of Jin.

Tangut state


Most of the Tanguts were cattle breeders, wagons, and some were farmers:

"Tanguts, - says" The Secret Legend ", - people are sedentary, they live in adobe settlements."

The basis of society was a large family - a wagon, families were united in clans and tribes. This structure was at the heart of the Xia state.

The Tanguts considered trade to be the light beginning of the world, along with agriculture and cattle breeding, and actively developed it.

A peaceful relationship with Song enabled Xia to develop for 40 years.


Emperor Xi Xia and a boy. Paper. Hara Horo. PRC. GE. Russia

Since 1032, the new Burkhan ruler Yuanhao or Yuan-hao has been carrying out a series of reforms. A comparative analysis shows that these reforms correspond to the period of the territorial community, when institutions of power and self-identification are created within the framework of pre-state forms of government.

For the country, it was not Chinese that was chosen, but its own motto: Hsien-Tao - "A clear path". A unified hairstyle for men was introduced, tuff, when most of the hair was shaved off, only bangs and braids remained on the temples, while the emperor cut his hair first, and then gave three days for a general haircut, after which all uncut were killed, this also applied to long-haired tanguts, and Chinese and Uyghurs.

The capital was renamed to be the New Tide of Happiness. The Tangut writing system was created, since the Tangut language was tonal, “national” and Chinese schools were created, including schools of Tangut music.

The largest library of Tangut manuscripts is kept today in our country, in St. Petersburg.

A uniform dress was introduced for officials, and the military reform divided the country into 12 military-police districts. The institutes of management were shaped according to the Chinese model. Subsequently, Emperor Liang-tso will introduce completely Chinese state etiquette, will receive historical and philosophical literature from the Song.

Period from the middle of the XII century. became the heyday for the Tangut state. Legislation is being codified, Confucianism is developing. Foreign ambassadors report the successes of Xi Xia despite the Khitan uprising in Xia:

“The country is called Tangun,” Marco Polo described these lands later, “the people pray to idols ... Idolaters have their own language. The local people are not trade, they are engaged in arable farming. They have many abbeys and many monasteries, and all have many different idols; the people make great sacrifices to them and honor them in every way. "

Unlike Burma and Tibet, the other two states of the Tibetan-Burmese peoples, various power groups of Xi Xia saw not only their "own" path, but also used the Chinese path of state development.

Difficult climatic conditions - most of the territory fell on deserts - made its economy, and the country as a whole, extremely vulnerable.

In 1038 Burkhan Yuanhao declared himself emperor, so three “sons of Heaven” appeared in the Far East. Instead of traditional gifts to the Song court, he sent a boastful letter in which he said that Tufan (Tibetans), Tata (Tatars), Zhangye and Jiaohe (Uighurs) were subordinate to him.

Tanguts wars


Emperor Ren-tsung (1010–1061) could not bear such an insult, the Chinese called it the "Yuanhao rebellion", both sides began to prepare for war, and Yuanhao had been conducting reconnaissance in the rear of Song for a long time.

The Chinese plan meant to strike with the forces of 200 thousand troops, which, in their opinion, was three times more than that of the Tanguts, and to capture some of the elders of the Tangut tribes who would go over to the side of the Song. The author of this plan, Liu Ping, will soon be captured by the Tanguts. The first year of the war was in the struggle for the border fortresses and did not bring any success to either side.

In March 1041, the Tanguts moved to the Song territory, the Wei River valley, the right tributary of the Yellow River. They were pursued by the Song army, here the first column of "General" San Yi discovered the silvered boxes, and soon the column of General Ren Fu approached. The troops crowded, and when the boxes were opened, domestic pigeons with whistles tied flew out of them. Immediately, the Tanguts cavalry struck at the crowded troops, the battle lasted from morning to noon, and when it seemed that luck was on the side of the Chinese, an ambush regiment entered the battle and put the Song army to flight.

At this time, the second Song army was defeated in the siege of the Tanguts fortifications, the losses of the Song amounted to about 300 thousand people (?).

But Song fielded new troops, peace negotiations did not lead to anything, and Yuanhao agreed with the Liao empire that as soon as the ice covered the Yellow River, they would oppose Song together. The troops managed to hold the lands west of the Yellow River.

At the same time, the constant droughts that were in Xia, bled the Tanguts, and in 1042 negotiations began, but everything came down to the recognition of the Tangut emperor.

But Song was not easy either, the Khidans demanded that they cede 10 Chinese districts, in return for Liao they received an increase in tribute. And the Tanguts invaded the Weizhou province, this is where the active hostilities end. Song gathered another army of 200 thousand soldiers, it was not capable of functioning, and the Tanguts, despite their lesser capabilities, managed to concentrate significant forces in the most important areas.

But the war undermined both Xi Xia and Song's economies.

The emperor of the Song dynasty recognized the title of "sovereign" for the Tangut kagan, paying him tribute in silk, silver and tea.

As soon as the war with the Song ended, the war with the Iron Empire immediately began. The reason for the constant clashes between them was the tribes related to the Tanguts who lived in Liao. Having crossed the Yellow River, Liao's troops advanced in three columns against Xi Xia. The central column was led by Emperor Liao. The weakened Xia tried to resolve the issue peacefully, but the hardliners agitated Emperor Liao to destroy the Tanguts. The Khitan set up camp at the Shanse Monastery. While the Tanguts were destroying everything around, the Khidans were starving, there was no food for their horses. Soon the battle began, the Khitan defeated and surrounded the Tangut cavalry, which with incredible efforts got out of the encirclement. All forces entered the battle, and at that time a strong dusty wind rose right in the face of the Khitan people, and they trembled. The huge army fled, the Tanguts struck at the camp of Emperor Liao, whose guards wavered. Taking him prisoner was not difficult, but Yuanhao wanted peace, which he signed with Liao. But the tribal Khitan's noses were cut off and sent home.

New war 1049-1053 ended in nothing, although Xi Xia paid Liao a huge tribute in cattle.

The constant clashes between Xia and Song continued, which sought to prevent the strengthening of either Liao or Xia.

In the 60s. Due to ceremonial differences at Emperor Song's coronation, Xia began fighting against Song. The army was led by the emperor Liang-tso himself, who was wounded during the siege. He was wearing a felt hat, armor, on top of which was also wearing a silver armor. He died of a wound at the age of 21.

Raids and border skirmishes did not stop throughout the 70s.

In 1081, a new war of Song against Xi Xia began, the first allies were the Tibetans, in the amount of 100 thousand tribal militia (?). In the invasion of Xi Xia territory, 300 thousand soldiers were involved, the Tanguts used the scorched earth tactics, which led to the death of a huge army.

The Xia wars showed how weak the Song army was. The theoretical treatises on the Song army were, of course, wishful thinking. And Song spent 80% of government spending on the army. Song's victories were achieved by the fact that the country had a huge economic resource and the ability to use a huge number of people who were involved in the army and did not have combat training. Often times, wars were inspired by the "generals" of the Song, who had huge benefits from the campaigns.


Warrior. Xi Xia. Yulinku cave. PRC

At the beginning of the XII century. Jurchens destroyed the Khitan Liao empire and inflicted a serious defeat on Song, the latter even ceased to border on Xia. But Xi Xia developed friendly relations with the new conquerors and founders of the new empire, since their lands, in comparison with the rich lands beyond the Yellow River, were of little interest to the Jurchens. Nevertheless, it was a dangerous neighbor, whose commanders had long thought about joining Xi Xia. Since the 30s, Xia has been active on the borders with Jin and annexes the East Tibetan tribes. At the end of the XII century. friendly relations were established between Jin and Xia, but at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, on the very eve of the Mongol invasion, the states parted.

Army


During the reign of Zhen-guan (1101-1113), a code of military laws "Jasper Mirror of the Administration of the Zhen-Guan Years" was created. It has come down to us in a truncated form and is stored in our country, in St. Petersburg. The army consisted of regular units and auxiliary troops. The maximum number of troops, according to Chinese sources, is 500 thousand soldiers. All men who had reached the age of 15 were considered liable for military service, but not all of them went to war, but every second.

The warrior was supposed to have a bow and armor. For the service, according to some sources, a qualification was established: depending on the number of cattle, the Tanguts went to serve either with a horse and with equipment, or only with equipment, without a horse, or in "engineering" units. According to other sources, the state supplied the soldiers with horses and camels.

At first, the Tangut bows were inferior in quality to the Chinese ones, the bowstring was leather, the arrows were made of willow, but gradually they mastered the production of high-quality bows, which were highly valued in the Song. Thus, the "bow of the miraculous hand" was presented to the imperial palace, and the Mongols took the craftsmen to Karakorum. The latter also brought gunsmiths from other Chinese states.

The swords that made the Tanguts, with the hilt of a dragon-bird, were popular in China, but their armor did not differ in durability, and the absence of iron played a role, both in Xia and Liao.

A detachment of 100 warriors was the main organizational unit of the Tanguts. The main link of junior commanders consisted of "leaders" or "guides". There was a system of "military inspectors", the same as in the civil office. In the army, there was a table of ranks, special attention was paid to the system of incentives and awards, for example, “when the commander personally killed the enemy in battle" or "when the commander killed the enemy and his squad was defeated","behind the gap, gaps in the wall" or "for good knowledge of the area"Is relevant, isn't it? Rewards were paid for trophies and were directly proportional to the capture of livestock, drums, armor, or horses. The officers wore paysa as an insignia.

Punishments were strictly differentiated, for example, for the death of a commander, the officers next to him were punished, and the soldiers' relatives were also punished, they became slaves of the state.

Fighting was not undertaken without certain ceremonies. The Tanguts used four types of divination before the battle. The army set out on a campaign only on an odd day.

Alongside the "regular" army were groups of brave men or volunteers. Although the Chinese legislation indirectly influenced the military laws of Xia, nevertheless, it was of a national character, and the milder punishments listed in it indicate that these were laws of a transitional period: from the tribal to the neighboring community, the Tangut have this the system was called "gwon".

Tibetan tribes have always been famous for horse breeding, the Tanguts themselves supplied horses to China. For the army, horses were bred at state stud farms and purchased from private breeders. Therefore, their cavalry, the main striking force of the army, had high-quality horses. No wonder the Chinese wrote about the great distances that the Tanguts cavalry covered "like a lightning strike or a cloud flying».

The shock units of the cavalry, originally from Pingxia, were called "iron hawks».

The infantry was used during sieges and in the mountains, especially the infantrymen-mountaineers, "bubazi", were famous.


Xi Xia Empire Map

The battle began with riders tied to horses, so, even if they were killed, they advanced in a general formation. After that, the infantry entered the battle, again covered from the flanks by the cavalry. The commanders were on the hills in the rear, surveyed the entire battlefield and led the battle, the cavalry and infantry commanders were also in the rear.

But in the siege and defense of cities, the Tanguts were not masters, which contributed to their defeat by the Mongols.

Fleeing from the battlefield among the Tanguts was not considered shameful, and we are not talking about a feigned escape, but it was necessary to return to the battlefield and conduct a certain rite of revenge, kill a horse, a rider, or at least a stuffed warrior from a bow.

Their perseverance in battles is also associated with this rite, when after each flight the army gathered again and began a new battle. So, after several defeats from the Uighurs, with their tenacity they ensured victory in the war.

The Tanguts treated the prisoners cruelly, eating the hearts of the bravest warriors. Taking Xuanwei in 1105, they executed the Chinese commander by eating his heart and liver.

Before the war of 1040, twelve clan elders drank wine mixed with blood from cups made of skulls.

In the XII century. 12 military districts were created, there was a separate palace guard, consisting of 70 thousand soldiers.

It will be fair to note that the figures indicated often in the sources are not accurate and raise legitimate questions. So, initially the palace guards were in the number of 5 thousand best shooters - it is not clear how it increased to 70 thousand?

In general, the Tangut military system, although it was influenced by China, bore the features of national specificity.

Due to the foreign policy situation that developed in the late XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries, Xia did not conduct active hostilities, there were no threats from the Jin, and they were insignificant from the steppe, the Uighurs and Tibetans were conquered, and there were no borders with the Song. ... Therefore, its armed forces were significantly weakened, while a powerful military alliance of the Mongols was forming in the north.

Sources and literature:

Secret legend. Mongolian Chronicle of 1240 titled Mongol-un niruca tobciyan, Moscow, 1941.
Book of Marco Polo // Giovanni del plano Carpini History of the Mongols. Guillaume de Rubruck A Journey to Eastern Countries, Book of Marco Polo. Entry. Article, comments by M. B. Gornung. Publishing house "Mysl". Moscow, 1997.
Kychanov E.I. Essays on the history of the Tangut state. M., 1968.
Kychanov E.I. History of the Tangut State (Historical Research) SPb., 2008.
Kychanov E.I. Tangut Foundation of the Institute of Oriental Manuscripts of the Russian Academy of Sciences and its study // Russian expeditions to Central Asia in the late 2008th - early XNUMXth centuries. SPb., XNUMX.
Samosyuk K.F. Buddhist painting from Khara-Khoto XII-XIV centuries. Between China and Tibet. P.K.Kozlov collection. SPb., 2006.


To be continued ...
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  1. +12
    18 July 2021 05: 47
    Traditional thanks for Edward's work! You get used to good things unusually quickly. Apparently the human essence cannot be corrected.
    To be honest, I was looking forward to an essay about a mysterious state with a mysterious and delicate name for a Russian-speaking schoolboy "Sisya"! The wars of which were "androphages" - "gnawed their enemies" and wore "braids" - "fu as girls." Alas, this is all that I knew about these implacable opponents of the Uighurs, Chinese and Tatars until this morning !!! I even find it difficult to answer where these stories originated in the teenage environment of my childhood. Probably all the same from the mysterious name "Xi Xia" !!!
    Eduard thanks again!
    1. +11
      18 July 2021 06: 27
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      The wars of which were "androphages" - "gnawed their enemies" and wore "braids" - "fu as girls." Alas, this is all that I knew about these implacable opponents of the Uighurs, Chinese and Tatars until this morning !!!

      Yes I agree, the Tanguts, the Chinese themselves, the Mongols, the Jurchen peoples, related to them, and even the Chukchi ate the heart and liver of the defeated enemy.
      After clashes with the Mongols in 1207-1209, Emperor Xi Xia Tszun-hsiang and Genghis Khan concluded a treaty. The Tanguts recognized their dependence on the Mongols, participated in the campaigns of Genghis Khan, and took part in the Mongol invasion against the Jin Jin empire. But then something went wrong, it is believed that the arrogance of Emperor Xi Xia ruined their empire, offended Genghis Khan, but he did not forget and did not forgive. Still, the personal relations of the rulers are very strongly reflected in the fate of their states. As the saying goes: "Tsun-xiang answered before Genghis Khan for the bazaar."
      1. +11
        18 July 2021 09: 34
        Quote: Lynx2000
        offended Genghis Khan, but he did not forget and did not forgive

        Or he did not forgive his captivity with them. True, the only source that reports this information is the composition of the one who visited in 1253-1255. in Mongolia Guillaume de Rubruca. No supporting information has yet been found, but there is also no data that would completely exclude the possibility of Genghis Khan being captured by the Tanguts.
        1. +5
          18 July 2021 14: 11
          Quote: SERGE ANT
          Quote: Lynx2000
          offended Genghis Khan, but he did not forget and did not forgive

          Or he did not forgive his captivity with them. True, the only source that reports this information is the composition of the one who visited in 1253-1255. in Mongolia Guillaume de Rubruca. No supporting information has yet been found, but there is also no data that would completely exclude the possibility of Genghis Khan being captured by the Tanguts.

          I will not forget, I will not forgive Genghis Khan, I meant that after the conclusion of the treaty and the first campaign of the Tanguts with the Mongols against the Jurchens, Genghis Khan ordered Emperor Xi Xia (according to the agreement he was considered a vassal and Genghis Khan's "right hand") to join the Mongols in the campaign to the West.
          Tsun-xiang allegedly replied in a message to Genghis Khan: "Apparently your Horde is not so strong if you ask for my help." Genghis Khan was furious ...
    2. +6
      18 July 2021 06: 53
      Hello, hello! hi
      I fully subscribe to your gratitude to Edward. smile
      For me, almost every line was a revelation and news. Some cut off noses and shaved heads polls were worth something in the state. good
      In regard to the consonance of the female mammary glands and the name of the state, they also smiled.
      So Edward is sincerely grateful.
      1. +6
        18 July 2021 07: 32
        Xixia State ... Sounds too erotic! Although on Sunday you can! laughing
        Thanks to the author for the material.
      2. +6
        18 July 2021 07: 45
        All welcome!
        Yes, the topic is very interesting, I always liked it myself, I would like to understand these intricacies in China before the Mongol invasion.
        hi
      3. +2
        18 July 2021 09: 06
        The first association is still Tagut rhubarb.
        1. +2
          18 July 2021 09: 34
          And what kind of beast is that? smile
          1. +3
            18 July 2021 09: 54
            Not even a bird. Plant. In America he is called the king of pies.
            And we sometimes eat. And sometimes it is used as a laxative.
            1. +3
              18 July 2021 10: 04
              Quote from Korsar4
              Not even a bird. Plant. In America he is called the king of pies.
              And we sometimes eat. And sometimes it is used as a laxative.

              Rhubarb is the very first edible plant that appears in the garden in spring. The jam from it is amazing. Sergei honestly did not know about the laxative properties.
              And so burdock burdock, but delicious !!!
              1. +4
                18 July 2021 10: 35
                A.K. Tolstoy:

                “But, by the way, this is a joke.
                I don't blame Peter.
                Give the patient a stomach
                Useful for rhubarb ”(c).
            2. +3
              18 July 2021 10: 18
              Pie as a laxative is a class. No, but of course I heard about just rhubarb, but in cooking, a complete layman.
              1. +4
                18 July 2021 10: 36
                And the old Russian recipe with the participation of rhubarb ends like this:
                "Don't leave the yard for two days."
                1. +1
                  18 July 2021 17: 29
                  Our ancestors had a sense of humor. smile
                  1. +1
                    18 July 2021 17: 57
                    A certain foresight and less fussiness.
                    1. +2
                      18 July 2021 18: 04
                      So life was kind of quieter, neither for you planes, nor for you the Internet ... request
                      1. +1
                        19 July 2021 07: 55
                        "It's only the beginning!' (from).
                      2. +1
                        19 July 2021 14: 40
                        "To be, or not to be, that is the question." (C)
                      3. +1
                        19 July 2021 15: 14
                        “Where to get the missing ruble,
                        And who will then run for vodka ”(c).
                      4. +1
                        19 July 2021 15: 21
                        "A rupe for hay, two for a cart,
                        One and a half for transportation. "(C)
                      5. +1
                        19 July 2021 15: 38
                        “And I was sitting with a greasy three-ruble note,
                        To drive away my hangover tomorrow ”(c).
                      6. +1
                        19 July 2021 15: 44
                        "I am sitting now in the Turukhansk region,
                        Where were you in exile under the tsar. "(C)
                      7. +1
                        19 July 2021 16: 11
                        “And beyond the Urals - Trans-Urals.
                        And there is its own, different distance ”(c).
                      8. +2
                        19 July 2021 16: 14
                        "On the high banks of the Amur
                        Homeland sentinels are "(c)
                      9. +1
                        19 July 2021 17: 37
                        “A tramp approaches Baikal,
                        He takes a fishing boat "(c).
                      10. +2
                        19 July 2021 18: 27
                        "I'm on board. The same course! The same way!
                        Hands, souls, cigarettes reach me ... "(c)
                      11. +1
                        19 July 2021 18: 29
                        "- Well done. There will be a lot of two at once.
                        - So there are two ends "(c).
                      12. +1
                        19 July 2021 18: 46
                        "Let the counter click, but still
                        At the end of the path you will have to pay "(c)
      4. +3
        18 July 2021 10: 07
        Quote: Sea Cat
        In regard to the consonance of the female mammary glands and the name of the state, they also smiled.

        Uncle Kostya, now imagine yourself as a teenager. And so hormones play and here your peers share about the dressing state of "sissy" !!! laughing
        1. +3
          18 July 2021 10: 22
          Hmmm ... a fabulous state and everything from just boobs. A teenager's dream. laughing
      5. +7
        18 July 2021 10: 22
        Quote: Sea Cat
        So Edward is sincerely grateful

        I join. To Eduard and Kozlov Peter Kuzmich, it was he who in Khara-Khoto, as a result of excavations, discovered objects of the material and spiritual culture of the Tanguts, including 2 thousand volumes of books in Tangut, Chinese and other languages! empire of white and tall "(白 高大 国)." Great Xia "(大 夏), or" Western Xia "(Xi Xia, 西夏) - this is already the Chinese called it, I personally like the Tangut name more. felt-tip pens are different - Xi Xia is also nothing.
    3. +3
      18 July 2021 07: 51
      Vladislav greetings,
      yes, when I realized, for myself,
      that all formidable warriors in Asia from the early Middle Ages to modern times wore braids,
      "Fu as girls." I was shocked. Now I have a collection of photos of Polovtsian men from the back side, with their braided pigtails)))
      It is interesting that ethnographers note the transfer of men's clothing to women's among nomads: there is a photo of women's attire of the late 19th century from Turkmenistan: well, there is a bogatyr in "Budenovka".
      1. +2
        18 July 2021 10: 01
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        It is interesting that ethnographers note the transfer of men's clothing to women's clothing among the nomads:

        Good day Edward!
        In principle, this is not alien to us either. For example a sundress. At the time of the Mongol invasion of Russia, banal men's clothing.
        1. +3
          18 July 2021 10: 52
          For example a sundress. At the time of the Mongol invasion of Russia, banal men's clothing.

          Yes, and then went the privatization of men's clothing and uniforms: cardigan, raglan, breeches, overcoat, etc.
          This is how it happens, at first they used to wear sarafans, but now ... they don’t wear them. laughing
          1. +4
            18 July 2021 12: 33
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            Yes, and then went the privatization of men's clothing and uniforms: cardigan, raglan, breeches, overcoat, etc.

            At one time, I tried to explain to two girls what the leggings of the 1812 war were like. They didn’t want to accept it corny. Even the arguments of leggings from elk were refuted by the thesis - "leggings from gloss" !!! Local fans of Fomenko still have to learn and learn like that !!!
            1. 0
              18 July 2021 13: 14
              Yes, well, everyone has their own logic)))
              good
            2. 0
              18 July 2021 17: 58
              Not from salmon, though.
      2. +4
        18 July 2021 10: 30
        Edward, can you prepare material on the clothes of the east? This will complement your China cycle
        1. +4
          18 July 2021 10: 41
          Good afternoon,
          don't know yet, great stuff laughing
          By the way, even in our Gnezdovo X century. a whole Chinese caftan was discovered, was presented now at an exhibition at the State Historical Museum in Moscow.
          1. +3
            18 July 2021 11: 35
            Edward, beware: women have a lot of requests. Now any clothes will satisfy her, and then she will say: "Edward, what kind of jewelry did Liao or CC have?"
          2. +3
            18 July 2021 12: 00
            "great stuff" - well there are plenty to choose from. Much worse when there is little or no
          3. +1
            19 July 2021 11: 15
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            By the way, even in our Gnezdovo X century. a whole Chinese caftan was discovered, was presented now at an exhibition at the State Historical Museum in Moscow.

            Good afternoon Edward,
            but is it in Gnezdovo?
            it seemed to me that in Pskov? hi
            1. 0
              20 July 2021 11: 38
              Sergey hello,
              I just read it, it seemed to me Gnezdovo, now the materials are not at hand, do not check)))
              1. +1
                20 July 2021 11: 42
                Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
                I just read it, it seemed to me Gnezdovo, now the materials are not at hand, do not check)))

                Hi Edward,
                maybe there was a similar find in Gnezdovo too.
                I remember that a silk robe in good condition was found in a woman's grave in Pskov, it seems the 10th century. But I write from memory, I could be wrong. hi
              2. +1
                20 July 2021 14: 21
                Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
                I just read it, it seemed to me Gnezdovo, now the materials are not at hand, I can't check

                I looked: there were finds of silk in Gnezdovo and in Pskov too.
                1. 0
                  21 July 2021 10: 59
                  Hey! Clear
                  I only knew about Gnezdovo
        2. +3
          18 July 2021 11: 28
          Astra did not wait for "clothes" from V. O and demands from Edward.
          1. +1
            18 July 2021 12: 05
            For Vladkub's information: in order to understand the people, you need to understand their culture, and clothing is part of the ethnic culture
    4. +1
      18 July 2021 10: 25
      Kote) his other half (sisya) is closer to the body good author respect wink
  2. +6
    18 July 2021 07: 16
    Taking Xuanwei in 1105, they executed the Chinese commander by eating his heart and liver.
    .Everyone, got it or just the leadership? smile Raw or were there any peculiarities of preparation? Thank you, we look forward to continuing
    1. +5
      18 July 2021 07: 46
      Probably only the management)
      As I understand it, captivity was then a common occurrence, judging by the sources, and such reprisals were rare, they preferred the exchange of tribal ones and ransom for noblemen and generals.
    2. +4
      18 July 2021 10: 35
      "waiting to be continued" Are you interested in cannibal recipes or Chinese history? Joke
      1. +1
        18 July 2021 14: 45
        Well, what cannibals, many peoples can trace this, and all over the world. What kind of logic is there. smile
    3. +1
      18 July 2021 14: 54
      Marked and red-haired would be slipped to them to be eaten alive !!!
      1. +1
        19 July 2021 12: 49
        I recommend the red-haired Tolik in the USA to manage it. It did more good
        1. 0
          19 July 2021 13: 13
          And you are a strategist! good
          1. 0
            19 July 2021 14: 10
            Just a woman's logic: there are creators, and there are destroyers. A fraction of the latter: he is only capable of destroying, and if so, then his energy is for the good
  3. +5
    18 July 2021 07: 37
    Valery, definitely +
  4. +4
    18 July 2021 08: 00
    Starry sky, it used to be
    Turned -
    This is the kind of strife going on
    National.
    They didn't go to bed here,
    All profited by prey,
    Mother wide earth
    Shuddered -
    This is the kind of strife going on
    All-lingual.
  5. +5
    18 July 2021 09: 04
    Not in terms of grumbling.
    A strong Jurchen state emerged out of nowhere at the beginning of the XNUMXth century.
    The phrase is very interesting: "the" bow of a miraculous hand "was presented, and the Mongols took the craftsmen to Karakorum. The latter also brought gunsmiths from other Chinese states."
    It is not clear who gave this wonderful bow to the Tanguts.
    An interesting map is the Map of the Xi Xia Empire, where the Tatars are marked in the north.
    I hope that in the next articles there will be something about them.
    1. +2
      18 July 2021 10: 44
      Good afternoon,
      "The bow of the miraculous hand" - presented the Tanguts - to the palace of the Emperor Song,
      The Mongols were taking away the craftsmen when the campaigns against Xi Xia and Jin began.
      There will be very little about the Tatars, in relation to the contacts of the Jin and the Mongol tribes, their role in this period is small.
      hi
      1. +3
        18 July 2021 12: 57
        "and the Mongols took the craftsmen to Karakorum. The latter also brought gunsmiths from other Chinese states."
        If the beginning of the expansion of the Mongols to China is the beginning of the XIII century, and Karokarum was founded in 1220, then the masters were sitting in the camps or were there other Mongolian cities?
        I'm talking about the Tatars. "Map of the Xi Xia Empire", where the Gobi Desert is marked in the north, where the Tatars live, and where the Mongols lived?
        1. +1
          18 July 2021 13: 14
          If the beginning of the expansion of the Mongols to China is the beginning of the XIII century, and Karokarum was founded in 1220, then the masters were sitting in the camps or were there other Mongolian cities?

          The Mongols took captive masters to Karakorum (figuratively), and to other places. The mechanism for the distribution of prisoners is more or less known to us. But the "state" workshops served the needs of the Mongolian army.

          The Mongols, at that moment, lived to the north and north-east. I'll tell you a little about the Tatars in the next article. In this case, they turned out to be secondary participants in the events.
          1. +3
            18 July 2021 13: 28
            Ok, we wait, with
        2. +2
          18 July 2021 14: 38
          Quote: ee2100
          I'm talking about the Tatars. "Map of the Xi Xia Empire", where the Gobi Desert is marked in the north, where the Tatars live, and where the Mongols lived?

          Apparently in the north. Some modern historians are sure that Timuchin (the future Genghis Khan) was born on the territory of the Russian Federation. They even localize its appearance by the territory of the modern Republic of Buryatia.
    2. 0
      18 July 2021 18: 00
      The Jurchen turtles that are in Ussuriysk and Khabarovsk make such a strong impression.
      1. +2
        18 July 2021 18: 20
        What is the use of turtles?
        1. 0
          19 July 2021 07: 59
          A stone turtle, originally with a stele on its back.
  6. +7
    18 July 2021 09: 45
    The Tanguts considered trade to be the light beginning of the world, along with agriculture and cattle breeding, and actively developed it.
    The Tangut proverb said:
    Three bright beginnings in the world: cattle breeding and agriculture -
    two, and trade is three,
    Three dark ones. First to eradicate, yes, they live: lies and
    robbery is two, and debauchery is three.
    The merchant was considered a special person with capital and engaged only in his own business. I will again refer to the proverb:
    Sheep is engaged in cattle breeding in mountainous areas
    Tangut land
    The one who has money is looking for profit in trade with Chinese
    merchants. Two leading industries - cattle breeding and agriculture assumed the mutual exchange of products.
    Moreover, each region of the country was famous for some kind of goods:
    Alashan - with cattle and camel wool cloth, mountainous regions
    Nanypanya - with rhubarb and musk, Ordos - with salt, western regions -
    famous carpets.
    In the first decades of the existence of the Tangut state there,
    apparently, there was no coin of its own. It is curious that one of the testimonies from Chinese sources suggests that in the Xia state, as well as in the neighboring Khitan state of Liao, a product stood out from the total mass of goods, which became the universal equivalent in exchange. If in Liao this product was fabric, then here it was salt. In 1043, a Chinese border official reported to the court that-
    “In the territory of several districts belonging to Yuan-hao, financial transactions were made on the basis of salt.” According to the currently available data, the Tangut government began to issue its own coin only from the middle of the 1053th century. The earliest currently known Xia coin is dated by the motto of the Fu-sheng reign (1056-XNUMX).
    1. +9
      18 July 2021 09: 48
      Most of the trade was barter. The main list of goods to be exchanged was published by the Song government in 1007. It fairly fully reflected the composition and nature of Xia's trade with China. Tanguts;
      brought salt, cattle, wool, felt, carpets, medicinal herbs, musk, honey, wax, down and feathers for sale to China, and bought silk fabrics, incense, medicines, lacquer and porcelain products, spices, tea and, from the Chinese, if possible, metals57 58. The history of Xia's trade with Song, Liao and Jin shows that the Tangut state was more interested in it than its partners, for Xia found it difficult to sell most of its goods to other neighbors who lived in conditions similar to Xia and did not need products cattle breeding and raw materials, and a whole range of goods, such as tea, porcelain, good silk fabrics, could also be bought only in China. It is no coincidence that one of the Chinese officials said that the Tanguts count on trade with China as “a newborn looks at the mother’s breast.” This dependence of the Tanguts on the North Chinese market gave the Sung and then Jin governments the advantage they constantly used in their relations with Xia: the ability to close the border markets, stop trade and: thereby put the Tangut government in a difficult position, forcing it to make concessions. But at the same time, the local population of the northwestern regions of the Sung and Jin states
      also needed. in trade with Xia, primarily in the acquisition of salt,
      cattle, horses. Therefore, if the Song and Jin courts, pursuing
      their political goals, often imposed bans on certain goods or trade in general, then private trade, even under threat
      the death penalty never stopped. Therefore, Sung and
      the Jin courts, imposing a ban, were forced to look through
      fingers on his many violations.
      1. +9
        18 July 2021 10: 05
        Difficult climatic conditions - most of the territory fell on deserts
        Therefore, agriculture in Xi Xia was almost universally irrigated. According to some reports, 68 large and small canals irrigated more than 90 thousand qing of land (one qing equals 5,68 hectares) In Shazhou, Guangzhou, between Ganzhou and Lianzhou, "irrigation was carried out directly from the rivers." There was a powerful irrigation network in the area of ​​the capital Xia, and
        city ​​of Lingzhou, where for irrigation used the waters of the river. Yellow River. In this area, five ancient canals: Qinjia, Hanbo, Aishan, Qiji and Tejin - the Yuzhi canal connected with two canals of Xiazhou district - Hanyuan and Tangliang. The Hanyuan Canal was 250 li long (one li equals 576 m), the Tangliang Canal was 320 l and 17. All the canals in this area were interconnected, collecting and distributing the waters of the Yellow River. Land along the Huang He River, especially from Yinchuan ( Xingzhou - the former capital of the Xia state) to Lanzhou, were cultivated from ancient times and gave good yields. Important agricultural areas of the country were Prinanynanie and the area of ​​Xining. It was in these areas that the Tanguts' lands were fertile, and they sowed five types of grain crops on them - rice, millet, wheat, barley, soybeans. Their lands were especially good for crops of rice and wheat.
        1. +10
          18 July 2021 10: 14
          The Xia farmers plowed the land with oxen. The ox as a draft animal is mentioned in the Tangut-Chinese dictionary of 1190 "A pearl in the hand that meets the needs of the time." One of the engravings depicts a scene of plowing on a bull. In the western regions of the country, it is possible that they plowed on camels, since the Uyghurs who lived in those regions used camels to cultivate the land in the XNUMXth century. Some of the Tanguts agricultural implements are named in the dictionary:
          plow, rock roller for loosening and leveling the soil, shovel,
          hoe, sickle, stone roller for crushing grain, winnowing sieve,
          hand mill for grinding grain. All this speaks of good software
          At that time, the equipment of the agricultural economy of Xia. The land could not only be obtained by grant or bought, but also acquired by cultivating a virgin land. The law stipulated that “the uncultivated (virgin) land is plowed into its possession. He and his relatives own it forever and have the right to sell it. " However, it is likely that in this case, too, the farmer paid the tax.
          to the state and paid a fee for water, which, perhaps, did not belong to him. The same law makes us think so: “If an irrigation canal collapses, then the owner
          of the given land must mend it. " If the channel were completely owned by the owner of the site, then it would hardly have been worth stipulating that it was he who was obliged to keep it in good condition.
          The land tax from the Tanguts, judging by the code of laws, was levied
          in kind. The amount of the tax was determined by the amount of land and the product with which it was paid, for example, the amount of the tax paid for wheat or rice was not the same for an equal area of ​​land30. Tax revenues were spent on maintenance
          army, state apparatus, schools and the creation of the necessary food supplies. They were exempted from taxes only in extreme cases, during natural disasters, as was the case, for example, in 1143.
          after a terrible earthquake that devastated entire regions of the country
  7. +4
    18 July 2021 10: 22
    Edward, colleagues, good afternoon. It's nice to read clever works: they broaden the horizons and guarantee pleasant communication.
    I have already noticed: mediocre, to put it mildly, authors provoke rudeness. I'm already afraid to go to the "branches": Samsonov, Kharluzhny, Chichkin, except for loud phrases and stupid emotions, nothing
    1. +1
      18 July 2021 10: 45
      thanks for the comment hi
  8. +1
    18 July 2021 11: 24
    "eating the hearts of the bravest Warriors" - "that strong, brave, brave will be"
  9. 0
    18 July 2021 11: 55
    "Liu Ping, will soon be taken prisoner by the Tanguts" probably, there he sang: "I am not me and not mine" - not good Zheng Tsong wanted, but I had to obey.
    It is unlikely that he wanted his liver to taste like a base.
  10. +6
    18 July 2021 12: 06
    Partially what is written by the author, I read from Khrapachevsky, so before reading this cycle, I only knew the names of all these Liao, Song, Jin, etc., and had a vague idea of ​​what these state formations were.
    In general, until recently, "China", conquered by the Mongols, was for me a kind of unified state, and it was, in general, surprising to learn that in fact this is not quite, or rather, not at all so. And in general, the more you delve into the topic of "Mongols from Mongolia" laughing , the more you learn interesting things that you never knew existed.
    And further.
    Sometimes I wonder how the historical destinies of the lands conquered by the Mongols could have developed, had it not been for this very conquest. For some reason, the first thing that comes to mind is fragmentation. At the time of the Mongol invasion, in Russia there were at least seven sovereign states, partially and very fragilely united at the fingertips of four sovereign rulers. There were at least three sovereign states in China. The most likely scenario for the development of events in the future, it seems to me, is the mutual distance between these entities from each other, the strengthening of each individual's own sovereignty without the possibility of returning to any single form of state structure.
    And it was at this moment, when the question of the division of these lands, in Russia and in China, stood squarely and, in fact, decided in the direction of division, Genghis Khan appears and first collapses China, actually packing it into one box, and then his descendants then The same is done with Russia, forcibly transferring all political squabbles between the Russian princes from the battlefields to the rugs in the khan's yurts or palaces, preventing the Russian lands from spreading, choosing their own paths of development, in fact, forcibly forcing them to walk together.
    Output.
    Genghis Khan and his heirs are the most, that they are, full-fledged builders of both Russian and Chinese statehood, no less important for our history than Vladimir the Baptist, Ivan the Great, Peter the First, Vladimir Ulyanov-Lenin. For it was their labors that preserved the unity of both Russian and Chinese lands at the very moment when, in fact, only a memory remained of this unity, which, probably, later allowed their successors to create new empires on this base preserved by the Mongols.
    Something like that. wink
    1. +1
      18 July 2021 12: 15
      Original ... smile external factor stimulated the unification of the fragmented principality.
      1. +4
        18 July 2021 12: 50
        Rather, not even so. The external factor significantly slowed down and even temporarily stopped the process of disintegration of the Russian and Chinese lands, allowing them to maintain a certain unity until the emergence of tendencies towards their reverse reunification.
        At the time of the invasion of the Mongols, tendencies towards unification, both in Russia and in China, simply did not exist - everything was moving exclusively towards disintegration and would have been moving for a long time - at least a couple of centuries.
        I do not call for the erection of monuments to Genghis Khan, Bat and Uzbek in Moscow, but it is interesting to think about their historical role in the construction of our state.
        1. +4
          18 July 2021 13: 20
          Michael, welcome!
          In the PRC, they believe that Genghis Khan and Khubilai are the creators of the modern Chinese state, before that there was neither this nor that.
          Khubilai conquered lands for China that they had never dreamed of before.
          hi
        2. +4
          18 July 2021 13: 25
          But the story about our country is different.
          But there is a long conversation here. I suspended my cycle on Russian history, but did not stop it.
          I decided to walk a little across China ... to clarify something for myself.
          In Russian history, in comparison with the Yuan, everything is seriously different, from the fact that the Russians developed within the framework of their European history, and nothing particularly moved them from this path ... well, except that modern guardians-guardians))) and a little neighbors are nomads)))
          The latter are not from the European path, but from the path of confusion and strife ... but I will write about this later
          hi
          1. +3
            18 July 2021 13: 43
            Greetings, Edward. hi good
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            The PRC believes that Chinggis Khan and Khubilai are the creators of the modern Chinese state,

            They certainly know better. But in their place, I would not be so categorical. smile
            Both of these figures undoubtedly contributed to the history of China, especially Kublai, but to consider them the founders ... There are several more at least equal contenders, including Mao Tse Tung. smile
            But about
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            long conversation here

            Long but interesting. Comparison of the development paths of Europe, Russia, the East, both the Far and the Near, the role of the Great Steppe in this process ... I would take up the topic - it is too global and interesting, but here you need to greatly correct your knowledge of the history of the East, and I'm lazy ... smile
            So I leave the topic for more trained researchers. Can you take it? hi
            1. +2
              18 July 2021 16: 23
              Yes the theme is powerful
              Long but interesting. Comparison of the development paths of Europe, Russia, the East, both Far and Near, the role of the Great Steppe in this process ...


              In connection with this topic, I drew attention to this. Very often, with great specialists in the steppe, where they are undoubted authorities, as soon as it comes to reasoning, especially in connection with the wagging on Russia, everything turns out somehow not very unconvincing.
              Those. there is not enough knowledge about Russia.
              And the topic is very responsible ...
              On the other hand, the Mongolian discoveries did not possess anything so outstanding to bring to Russia. Their military-technical superiority was associated not with some ignorance of what the Russians, but with the socio-political organization of the Russians. As soon as our ancestors took a new step along the path of social development, the threat of the steppe was pushed aside, and, with the next step, was leveled.
              hi
              1. +3
                18 July 2021 17: 36
                Gumilev tried to partially master this topic, as far as Russia is concerned, but poetic heredity, apparently, took its toll. request
                And the topic is interesting, if we start from the topic of the Steppe, then its influence on the neighbors affected for various reasons in different ways and this is extremely interesting.
                I am aware that I am reasoning somewhat naively, but there is not enough deep knowledge, and thoughts creep into my head. By the way, this is how, as far as I understand, most of the pseudo-historical theories are born. laughing
                But all the same, I am writing a commentary and not an article or, moreover, a popular science book, so I can afford to tear myself away from the planet with my thoughts and go to the heights of the mountains.
                I am interested in the question of how the proximity to the Great Steppe influenced the process of ethnogenesis of the peoples surrounding this Steppe. The Mongol conquests occurred just at the time of the formation of the majority of European peoples. Where the steppe dwellers did not exist or were not for long, they did not influence this process in any way, and there we see a patchwork Europe with small but proud states. In the same part of Europe, where they managed to leave their mark, during the time of Ivan III, for no apparent reason, a huge state emerged from the ground, quite European, but not in a European way, huge, which immediately began to creep under yourself everything. But in the XIII century. A Novgorodian from a Vladimir or a Smolyan hardly differed less, if not more, than a Flemish from a Norman or a German from an Autrian.
                In short, the question of whether there is a connection here, and if so, what kind, I leave for the consideration of more competent colleagues. smile
                1. +2
                  18 July 2021 20: 46
                  in the time of Ivan III, for no apparent reason, a huge state emerged out of the ground, quite European for itself, but not huge in a European way,

                  Not this, not from this, this is only for outside observers, starting from Europe. For modern historiography, at least part of it, it is a completely natural process.
                  And in the XXI century. many of the process with Ivan III are understandable and explainable.
                  Best regards,
                  hi
                  1. +2
                    18 July 2021 22: 39
                    Yes, "out of the blue" I meant outside observers-contemporaries, of course.
                    I said that on the entire Eurasian continent we have only two large stable state formations inhabited by representatives of different peoples and cultures, speaking different languages, etc. - Russia and China. Attempts to create something similar in Western Europe, the Near or Middle East did not lead to success, and Russia and China have existed for a very long time. Why the empire of Charlemagne gave birth to a lot of states with excellent culture and language, the Byzantine Empire, the state of Timur, the Ottoman Empire as well, The Austro-Hungarian Empire, the French Empire, the German Empire of the Hohenzollerns generally existed for a meager amount of time, the Third Reich, Yugoslavia - everything turned out to be temporary and unstable ...
                    Of course, there are many reasons for this, in the field of economics, politics, etc. But Poland (Slavs!), Which became part of the Russian Empire, immediately fell off, having stayed in it for a very short time, and Kazakhstan and other Asian republics remained part of the USSR until the very end and did not show any tendencies towards separatism until the Union died. ..
                    All this is extremely interesting. smile
                2. 0
                  20 July 2021 11: 50
                  First of all, you are missing out on the fact that both Russia and the Germanic part of Europe were each a single cultural and religious space. And this united the peoples more than the state structures.
                  This was recorded in the existence of such rather loose confederations as the Grand Duchy of Kiev and the Holy Roman Empire.
                  By the way, formally, at the time of the Mongol invasion, a single grand-ducal power existed. And it was the invasion that facilitated the final separation of the principalities from each other.
                  Nevertheless, a single cultural, religious and economic space was preserved. And it was on its basis that the subsequent assembly of the state took place.
                  Like the Germans, the same processes ended with the creation of the 2nd Reich.
        3. +2
          18 July 2021 14: 43
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          I do not call for the erection of monuments to Genghis Khan, Bat and Uzbek in Moscow, but it is interesting to think about their historical role in the construction of our state.


          The idea to erect a monument to Genghis Khan in the Republic of Buryatia has already been voiced, but especially at the place of possible birth !!!
          1. +2
            18 July 2021 15: 30
            Yes, soon there will be a war between Kazakhs and Kyrgyz for Genghis Khan. Buryats, Kalmyks and Tunguses will join one or the other as volunteers. The Mongols would also have taken part, but they would have to negotiate with the Chinese about the passage through their territory. laughing
            Well, tell me - what for is a monument to Genghis Khan in Russia? Maybe put a monument to Batu in Kozelsk? If you look from a different, alternative point of view, then he actively contributed to the complete renovation of this city ... He used controversial methods, but that's what the Middle Ages are for ... wassat
            No, I think there is a monument to Genghis Khan in Mongolia - that's more than enough.
    2. +2
      18 July 2021 13: 04
      Mish, greetings, let me remind you that Genghis Khan only twisted horses' tails. All these wars and conquests were made by the ancient dews. They are in alliance with the "seamen", all "bent"
      How much did one of the Samsonovs talk about this, by the way, where did he go? Fomenko will also tell you that Genghis Khan could only twist the tails of horses
      1. +3
        18 July 2021 13: 31
        Damn, Slava, have you seen at least one Mongolian horse with a twisted tail? Or did they find horse-tail curlers in the excavations? Maybe in written sources about this? Nothing!
        Genghis Khan did not twist the tails of the horses. He was just a wild medieval conqueror, alien to such high culture and aesthetics. If someone taught him this, would give him something to do, he would certainly be carried away by the twisting of horse tails and the story would have gone according to a different scenario. But no one bothered to do this, and the bored Genghis Khan did not find any other occupation for himself, how to conquer everything that is nearby and not very close. Entertainment is so-so, but his primitive brain of a stinking nomad could not invent anything else.
        I am looking forward to revelations about the ancient Rus, kolyans and bar-d "arians. Even a primitive New Chronologer like Lannan Shi will delight me today if he comes with some news, and not with long-term rotten cards of Tartary. I am in the mood to have fun.

        laughing
        1. +3
          18 July 2021 18: 27
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          Genghis Khan did not twist the tails of the horses. He was just a wild medieval conqueror, alien to such high culture and aesthetics.

          Michael! I forgot which of the historians I knew told me, but those present did not particularly scold the source. Once the 3 Mongols of Timuchin captured 000 Chinese. It's a pity to let go, to cut the thoughtlessness. Then he ordered each Mongol to have a choice of copulating with three Chinese and dropped the war prisoners home.
          I do not know whether this is true or not, but these subjects of the Empire were no longer warriors. Go prove that you are not one of the three, but one of those two who are lucky.
          1. +1
            18 July 2021 20: 11
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Then he ordered

            I don’t know, Vlad, I don’t know ...
            Moscow voivode Daniil Kholmsky, after the victory at Korostyn, ordered the captured Novgorodians to mutilate each other - to cut off their ears, noses, etc. But then - captives and each other.
            Genghis Khan was certainly not more stupid than Kholmsky. If the prisoners of the Chinese would have accommodated each other, it would have been more spectacular and more effective. smile
            Although, personally, I have not heard of such a perversion ... smile
        2. 0
          19 July 2021 07: 59
          Indeed, the Fomenkovites are not betraying anything new. There used to be more of them, but now Bar is rare.
          Maybe smarter?
      2. +1
        18 July 2021 23: 47
        Quote: vladcub
        Mish, greetings, let me remind you that Genghis Khan only twisted horses' tails. All these wars and conquests were made by the ancient dews. They are in alliance with the "seamen", all "bent"
        How much did one of the Samsonovs talk about this, by the way, where did he go? Fomenko will also tell you that Genghis Khan could only twist the tails of horses

        laughing But the phraseological unit "twist the tails of the bulls" has real practical significance. Fomenko should know this fact. wink Due to the peculiarities of the physiology of these large artiodactyls, there are "pain points" at the base of the tail and the tail itself, if the animal is stubborn (like a donkey), does not budge or does not obey (especially refers to gobies already from 2 years old), they grab the tail from behind folding it is pulled forward along the ridge to the head of the animal, the bull obediently moves forward. With horses, such a number will not work ... Yes
        1. +1
          19 July 2021 08: 27
          I didn't know about bulls. With me, bulls were no longer used on the collective farm.
          For the whole village there were: 1-2 bulls
          1. +1
            19 July 2021 12: 14
            Quote: vladcub
            I didn't know about bulls.

            From childhood he spent, one might say grew up in the village with his grandfathers, they constantly repeated to me:
            study, otherwise you will twist the tails of the bulls all your life in the village !!!
            So I remember. Moreover, I saw how these tails are twisted on livestock farms ... belay
            1. +1
              20 July 2021 07: 17
              He grew up on a collective farm, but we had no bulls. I heard from my parents about: "Mu-2". During the Second World War, a couple of bulls were called: "Mu-2 'by analogy with the planes: U-2, Il-2, Tu-2
  11. +2
    18 July 2021 12: 26
    "Empire" Western Xia and other Turkic-speaking little things pot-bellied - nothing more than fragments of the real Hunnic empire.

    The declared numbers of fighters both on the part of the Turks and on the part of the Chinese should be boldly divided by 10. The same Mongols two centuries later could hardly pull the number of their all-imperial troops up to 500 thousand, and even then only due to the massive mobilization of non-Mongol tribes - Tatars , Uighurs, the same Tanguts, Kirghiz, Turkomans, etc. etc.
  12. +2
    18 July 2021 12: 46
    "and they did not try to delve into Chinese territory" in modern terms: "a sluggish border conflict" now the neighbors would express their concern. Some of the Security Council members demanded the convocation of the UN Security Council.
    Now people have realized that the "ball" is small and NO ONE NEEDS A FIRE IN FIG.
    I envy the inhabitants of that time: the ecology is normal, what is happening in the capital, and even more so in the neighboring state, people do not care, and now: there are a lot of horror stories on the "box", and on the Internet there are three times more horror stories
    1. ANB
      0
      20 July 2021 13: 19
      ... I envy the inhabitants of that time: the ecology is normal, what is happening in the capital, and even more so in the neighboring state, people do not care, and now: there are a lot of horror stories on the "box", and there are three times more horror stories on the Internet

      And no coronavirus.
      Plague and smallpox instead. How lovely. :)
      1. +1
        20 July 2021 13: 30
        And from smallpox we will call a shaman to drive him under the bench.
        If NOW there are many opponents of vaccination, I'm not talking about the "crown", but in general. My boss gave out: "I'm afraid of injections in general, when it will be in pills, then please" and there are a lot of such anti-vaccinations.
  13. +3
    18 July 2021 13: 08
    The first photo shows the bactrian camel Bactrian, not a one-humped Arab dromedary. Our endemic, from Central Asia.
    1. +1
      18 July 2021 14: 57
      Quote: Aviator_
      The first photo shows the bactrian camel Bactrian, not a one-humped Arab dromedary. Our endemic, from Central Asia.

      I liked the wording "our camel" !!!

      Coat of arms of the Isetskaya province.

      Coat of arms of the Chelyabinsk region!
      1. +1
        18 July 2021 16: 33
        And here they are in Orenburg,
  14. +5
    18 July 2021 15: 44
    Quote: Edward Vashchenko
    For example a sundress. At the time of the Mongol invasion of Russia, banal men's clothing.

    Yes, and then went the privatization of men's clothing and uniforms: cardigan, raglan, breeches, overcoat, etc.
    This is how it happens, at first they used to wear sarafans, but now ... they don’t wear them. laughing


    "The history of fashion is the story of the struggle of the church and public morality with the desire of a woman to walk naked" (c) Clemenceau
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      19 July 2021 14: 23
      Do men also tend to go naked? If you remember the story: men's fashion has also been allogical.
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    19 July 2021 11: 20
    A single hairstyle was introduced for men, tuff, when most of the hair was shaved off, only bangs and braids remained on the temples, while the emperor cut his hair first, and then gave three days for a general haircut, after which all uncut ones were killed.

    And bald, bald, what was there to do? wassat
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      20 July 2021 10: 39
      Hello, Sergey!
      It was just the easiest thing for them. They were not touched! For? The complete absence of a reason for punishment. laughing
      laughing
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        20 July 2021 10: 58
        Quote: Phil77
        It was the easiest thing for them to do; they were not touched!

        Well, I don’t know, I don’t know. What if they took and exterminated all the bald ones? It will become of them.
        FOR
        The complete absence of a reason for punishment.
        is not a reason for non-punishment. wassat
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          20 July 2021 15: 11
          Nope, no corpus delicti. laughing
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    19 July 2021 14: 18
    Valery, colleagues, today with the girls reread and wondered: what will happen next?
    Katka thinks that the formation of the Mongol empire
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      21 July 2021 01: 35
      will be about the Tatars, who are Mongolian. Not modern ones.
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        21 July 2021 08: 37
        If Mongolian is accepted, and if from Tartary then ...