"Decision made": Poland announced the purchase of American tanks М1А2 SEP v3 Abrams

Poland made the final decision on the procurement of American basic tanks М1А2 SEP v3 Abrams, the government will allocate funds for the rearmament of four tank battalions. This was stated by the head of the ruling party of the country "Law and Justice" Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

According to the Deputy Prime Minister, the decision to purchase American tanks has already been made, now the issue will be coordinated with the American side. Kaczynski stressed that the Polish army expects the delivery of the first tanks in 2022. He did not say exactly how many tanks it was planned to purchase, he only said that they would be enough to equip four tank battalions.

The Polish Ministry of Defense confirmed the decision to purchase American tanks. According to Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszak, it was decided to purchase 250 tanks of the M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 modification, as well as control, evacuation and support vehicles. The minister stressed that Poland will receive "the most modern, battle-tested tanks", created specifically to confront the Russian "Armata".

Poland plans to place new tanks in the east of the country to protect against "Russian aggression".

Note that after purchasing American tanks, the Polish army will operate three different types of armored vehicles at once - Soviet T-72M1 / PT-91, German Leopard 2 and American M1A2 Abrams. Time will tell whether this will lead to technical and logistical problems.

Comments

[svp67]

He did not say exactly how many tanks it was planned to purchase, he only said that they would be enough to equip four tank battalions.
The Polish Ministry of Defense confirmed the decision to purchase American tanks. According to Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak, it was decided to purchase 250 tanks of the M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 modification, as well as control, evacuation and support vehicles.

It remains to be ascertained how much fuel will now have to be purchased and at what price it will cost to remodel the bridges on the roads. I wish the Panamas faster and more fully to experience all the delights of the adopted HISTORICAL decision

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Problems with fuel and bridges can be solved.

Poland received a powerful fist in the form of 250 Abrams tanks, this is a fact.

[VORON538]

So now wars are not won by tank divisions. And here are some more goals for our strategic nuclear forces on their territory, the Poles received (in case of unbalanced behavior of the Polish "partners"), but the main thing is the constant expenses of the Polish people in favor of the American nobles for the maintenance and maintenance of equipment for protection from the imaginary Russian aggression. In general, the American lords bred the Polish for grandmother, ensuring a comfortable existence.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: VORON538

So now wars are not won by tank divisions. And here are some more goals for our strategic nuclear forces on their territory, the Poles received (in case of unbalanced behavior of the Polish "partners"), but the main thing is the constant expenses of the Polish people in favor of the American nobles for the maintenance and maintenance of equipment for protection from the imaginary Russian aggression. In general, the American lords bred the Polish for grandmother, ensuring a comfortable existence.

Why then does the Russian Federation produce and put into service annually up to a hundred tanks.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Why then does the Russian Federation produce and put into service annually up to a hundred tanks.

So it was Nata who surrounded us from all sides and we will have to defend ourselves in case of anything.
But the Russian Federation does not expect to attack Poland.

[Ulrich]

Iron logic :)

[APASUS]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: VORON538

So now wars are not won by tank divisions. And here are some more goals for our strategic nuclear forces on their territory, the Poles received (in case of unbalanced behavior of the Polish "partners"), but the main thing is the constant expenses of the Polish people in favor of the American nobles for the maintenance and maintenance of equipment for protection from the imaginary Russian aggression. In general, the American lords bred the Polish for grandmother, ensuring a comfortable existence.

Why then does the Russian Federation produce and put into service annually up to a hundred tanks.

So we have to, how differently to pull our borders to the peaceful NATO bloc.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Why then does the Russian Federation produce and put into service annually up to a hundred tanks.

Why do you ask?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Why then does the Russian Federation produce and put into service annually up to a hundred tanks.

Why do you ask?

What would my opponent think about why the Russian Federation, with a gigantic nuclear arsenal, has the most powerful Armed Forces.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Why then does the Russian Federation produce and put into service annually up to a hundred tanks.

It's just that the General Staff's opinion about tanks differs from the opinion of some VO participants))).

They believe that the infantry with tanks to advance and defend themselves better than without them.

Now, even in the Airborne Forces, tank units appear, while battalions, and maybe soon regiments.

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Now, even in the Airborne Forces, tank units appear, while battalions, and maybe soon regiments.

There will be no regiments. And they will soon be rearmed with airborne Octopus. "

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Have we used many strategic nuclear forces against Georgia?

So, it's not a fact that against Poland, we will apply something similar.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Have we used many strategic nuclear forces against Georgia?

Not worth powder and shot

So, it's not a fact that against Poland, we will apply something similar

And Poland alone will not trample, only as part of Nata. That's when EVERYTHING will be applied

[For example]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Poland received a powerful fist in the form of 250 Abrams tanks, this is a fact.

Poland got crap in 1999.
Poland pays for tanks.
The Polish tank crews are led by a US general, for Poland is a NATO member.
Poles will die.

But the Poles have nowhere to go.
Either the Russians or the British-Americans.

This is the fate of the independent EU countries.

But if you go deeper, then the Poles pay from the common fund of the EU.
And the main contributor to the common fund is the Germans.
So that the Germans paid the Poles for American tanks.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

And we, therefore, will sit and watch how such an armada unfolds And we will rely only on nuclear weapons Poland, a NATO member if anything So you like it or not, but in the west you need to deploy additional units Or there is a firm belief that the Belarusian people as one I will throw to protect my father.? And it turns out, parts in the west, parts in the south, shorter around the entire perimeter. In the words of VS Vysotsky: Where is the money, Zin Therefore, it is necessary to cut social spending, and inflation is 6,5% and this is before the elections, then the leader did not speak out of good the unity of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples

[neri73-r]

three different types of armored vehicles - Soviet T-72M1 / PT-91, German Leopard 2 and American M1A2 Abrams. Time will tell whether this will lead to technical and logistic problems.

What time? Simple logic and mathematics will show this to a normal person right away and you do not need to have special knowledge in logistics. Two (by caliber) types of ammunition, three types of spare parts, three types of ARVs, etc.

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Problems with fuel and bridges can be solved.

Of course, the question is in PRICE. And it will not be very cheap.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Poland received a powerful fist in the form of 250 Abrams tanks, this is a fact.

Well, Poland is now a country that has quite powerful tank forces in Europe, about a thousand tanks, in such a small territory.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: svp67

about a thousand tanks in such a small area.

To be precise:
MBT 808: 137 Leopard 2A4 (being upgraded to 2PL); 105 Leopard 2A5; 5 Leopard 2PL (in test); 232 PT-91 Twardy; 329 T-72A / T-72M1


But this is a payroll, how many T-72s are on the move and can, in principle, get into operation is not known. So the replacement can be 1 to 1.

[Walking towards the light]

Solyanka. A nightmare of the rear services. Each of them has their own ammunition, fuel and technical support.

[OgnennyiKotik]

According to the information that was, Abrams to replace the T-72. So there will be 2 types of tanks, unified in terms of shells and communications. About the mate part, Russia somehow contains 3 types of tanks (and in the "types" themselves there are many options), with 4 on the way. So type 2 is not much.

[svp67]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

About mate part, Russia somehow contains 3 types of tanks

Two ... T-72 and T-90 IN MANY single machines, various MODIFICATIONS

[Region-25.rus]

and .... T-80s don't count?

[svp67]

Quote: Region-25.rus

and .... T-80s don't count?

So he is the SECOND tank in operation and is. The first is the T-72/90, and the second is the T-80 ...

[paul3390]

Russia somehow contains 3 types of tanks

Pay attention - OWN tanks. Everything necessary for which she herself produces .. And then - you have to buy, and for the currency ..

And by the way - many consider such a decision of the USSR as an ERROR .. Three different types of tanks with comparable parameters is an overkill. Russia inherited the zoo.

[Old tanker]

In the USSR, this happened due to the peculiarities of production at each plant. In principle, after the transition to the production of the T-80UD, instead of the T-64, it remained in production 2 types T-72 / T-72BU (future T-90) and T-80U / UD (though differing in power plant and transmission. per type at the time of the collapse of the USSR, there were generally 7 in combat units: T-54/55, T-62, T-64, T-72, T-80, T-80U / UD and even PT-76!

[paul3390]

due to the peculiarities of production at each plant.

Excuse me - but let's say the T-55 managed to produce the same at KhZTM, and at Uralvagonzavod, and in Omsk? And then - have abruptly forgotten how?

[Old tanker]

Yes. Firstly, these are cars of different generations. Secondly, the production line at KhZTM was sharpened for the production of T-64s, which had to be supplied in a larger quantity than the plant could handle. Omsk was given for the more promising T-80. And only after the T-80 en masse went to the troops, in Kharkov, the line was rebuilt for the production of the T-80. If KhZTM were immediately transferred to the T-80, then the production of the T-64 would have to be stopped. And this would slow down the pace of rearmament. Therefore, they did not go for it. UVZ, on the other hand, was supposed to produce a cheaper T-72 mobilization vehicle.
Ultimately, they came to the production of 2 types of tanks: T-80U / UD and T-72BU. Although in almost all characteristics they are identical, it was unprofitable to go to restructuring of production in order to come to a common denominator.

[svp67]

Quote: paul3390

And here - have abruptly forgotten how?

Have you forgotten how? No ... It's just that the ambitions of some "naughty guys" grew up and they began to "put personal wool above the state one."

[svp67]

Quote: Walking towards the light

To each his own ammunition

With Leo-2, they have the same ammunition

[Terran ghost]

So the replacement can be 1 to 1.

So, most likely, a purchase is made to replace Soviet-made tanks. Generally speaking, there is simply an official position of the military-political NATO bloc on the gradual replacement of weapons and military equipment with those produced in the countries of this very NATO bloc. In order not to depend on third-party consumables and spare parts.
It is only strange why they are buying off-the-shelf / modernized "Abrams" instead of new "Leopards", for which the Polish Armed Forces already have operational experience.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Terran Ghost

It is only strange why they are buying off-the-shelf / modernized "Abrams" instead of new "Leopards", for which the Polish Armed Forces already have operational experience.

I wrote below already. Leopards will be completely new, and therefore much more expensive. They will be done for a long time. 2A7 has big differences from 2A4 / 5.
M1A2 SEP v3 in serial production, turret and hull are already ready. Cheaper and faster. It's easier to scale, if you still need tanks, the United States will quickly deliver them.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Problems with fuel and bridges can be solved.

Poland received a powerful fist in the form of 250 Abrams tanks, this is a fact.

With bridges in Poland or bridges in Belarus?
A powerful fist of 250 tanks? So no one else is expected ... And for how many days will this fist last? On the offensive? On the defensive?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Enough for a long time.

Abrams in the latest version have reinforced armor and in fact do not strike in the frontal projection with Russian ammunition of all types.

Add to this the fact that these tanks are equipped with a KAZ that works both against ATGMs and even against BOPS.

And Poland also has something to cover its tanks from the air from attack helicopters.

And Poland will also have a powerful air defense system.

Poland is systematically accumulating forces and they are preparing not for defense, but for attack.

And our tanks are at a dead end.

New T-72B3M and T-90M against new Abrams and Leopards, like T-34-85 against Panthers. Western tanks bypass ours in all respects, except for numbers, and then only for now.

With Armata, they still can't decide whether she is needed or not.

There is no KAZ on our tanks, and there is no KAZ capable of protecting against an attack from above, even in theory.

We also don't have ATGMs similar to Jewelin and Spike.

That is, Russian tanks are weaker today than NATO and Russia's anti-tank weapons are weaker than similar NATO ones.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Western tanks bypass ours in all respects, except for numbers, and then only for now.

And in terms of numbers, no.
We have ~ 3300 different modifications of T-72/80/90 in the army, marines and airborne forces.
In service in the US Army there are 2509 pieces of Abrams, Poland ~ 800, Germany ~ 250, France ~ 250, Britain ~ 150, Turkey ~ 400-500, etc. according to the list.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

We have ~ 3300 different modifications of T-72/80/90 in the army, marines and airborne forces.
In service in the US Army there are 2509 pieces of Abrams, Poland ~ 800, Germany ~ 250, France ~ 250, Britain ~ 150, Turkey ~ 400-500.

And how much in storage do we have?
And what do you consider tanks in the US? They still need to be brought to Europe ...
Not all Leopards are in Poland now. Even more so in Turkey. It is necessary to count tanks in the European theater of operations.

[Old tanker]

What nonsense is this? It is necessary to count tanks in the theater of operations + those that can be transferred from other directions within a certain time frame.
The Germans near Moscow also counted according to your method, but then the militia, Siberian and Asian (the same Panfilov) divisions, plus newly formed units appeared.
Well, our ability to transfer troops was clearly shown by the concentration of 2 OA on the border with Ukraine in the spring of this year.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

That is, Russian tanks are weaker today than NATO and Russia's anti-tank weapons are weaker than similar NATO ones.

Of course, we are getting worse ... We are helpless kittens in front of the overwhelming power of Amerov's tanks. Remind me, what modification of "Abrams" burned in Yemen from the hits of old "Cornets"? Well, for an example. Light and mobile T-34-85s often came out victorious in battles with "Tigers", although in theory they shouldn't have done anything at all. Maybe it is also important who is in the tank?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, it happened that the T-34s were knocked out by the Tigers and Panthers, only they were our tanks head-on, and ours had to approach the enemy tightly or attack from an ambush, which is not always possible.

On the Kursk Bulge, the ratio of losses in tanks is 4 Soviet to 1 German - this is the result of a lag in technology.

And then in the USSR the population was 2 times more than in Germany, and now the population in the NATO countries is several times more than in Russia.

You don't need a lot of valor to hit any tank in a lateral projection from an ambush, including the Abrams, with an ATGM, but fighting the Abrams in a direct battle is a completely different matter.

The Iraqi army with a huge number of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, not to mention RPGs and ATGMs was defeated in 2 weeks. Here is the difference between the Abrams and the T-72. Moreover, the United States did not suffer any significant losses in tanks.

And on a land mine and on the side of a grenade or rocket, any tank can be hit.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And then in the USSR the population was 2 times more than in Germany, and now the population in the NATO countries is several times more than in Russia

In 43rd the population in the unoccupied part of the USSR remained less than in Germany with satellites.
Almost half of the tanks on the Kursk Bulge (ours) were T-70 tanks with a 45 mm cannon.
Losses of tanks 4: 1 - estimates may vary. I know them.
But where are all these Tigers and Panthers? Are they standing on pedestals in our cities?
Or 34 in Europe?
Now for Iraq. In the last war, the US simply BOUGHT Iraqi generals. Therefore, there was no particular war.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The populations of countries are compared at the beginning of the war, not in the process.

So the Germans can say that Berlin fell, because there were only a million soldiers there.

Tigers and Panthers would stand on pedestals if Germany won.

And for the Germans, not all tanks are Tigers and Panthers, T-4s and self-propelled guns were much larger.

Just bought the generals and that's it? So, in your opinion, wars are won? )))

What didn't you buy in Vietnam? Why didn't they buy generals in Yugoslavia? Why haven't they bought local leaders in Afghanistan?

There was no security service in Iraq ?!

Whatever it was with the generals, there were tank battles in Iraq and they say that the T-72s could not provide any resistance to the Abrams.

Your view of war is distorted, you look at it through the prism of propaganda.

Try to imagine yourself in a tank before attacking enemy positions, knowing that your tank will be pierced even in the forehead and through, and in order to hit the enemy, you need to go through the entire front line of 3-4 km to be contrived and go to the enemy's flank.

Presented.

You have zero chances. And in this situation, even with a multiple superiority (which we will never have), the losses will be enormous.

We need new tanks.

And I think we need to do two options, one like Armata now with a capsule for the crew, electronics, etc. and a simplified version unified with it. The same Armata, but with a minimum of electronics and maybe even with manual loading.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

We need new tanks.

Current Tshki can be upgraded to an acceptable level. We need to develop new projectiles, install a modern fire control system, re-arrange the turret with the aft niche. All this is possible. But it is not done.
In Iraq, there was a problem with old shells and a backward fire control system for Iraqi tanks, we have the same problem now.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

A new shell, a new gun, a new FCS, new armor, a new engine + KAZ, and for protection and the upper hemisphere = a new tank.

He is needed, but he is not.

Upgrading the T-72 and T-90 against the modern Abrams and Leopard will do little to help.

The advantage is only in numbers, and then until the Germans and Americans have launched their capacities at full strength.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The populations of countries are compared at the beginning of the war, not in the process.

Nonsense. Do you think the whole army will be mobilized BEFORE the start of the war?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Try to imagine yourself in a tank before attacking enemy positions, knowing that your tank will be pierced even in the forehead and through, and in order to hit the enemy, you need to go through the entire front line of 3-4 km to be contrived and go to the enemy's flank.

Tanks up against the fortified position of the enemy? This is where, in what statutes?
That's why they scolded Rotmistrov for running head-on, without reconnaissance and artillery preparation near Prokhorovka.
.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

What didn't you buy in Vietnam? Why didn't they buy generals in Yugoslavia? Why haven't they bought local leaders in Afghanistan?

Not sold. Not everything is for sale. And about the second Iraqi materials, as much as you want ... There would be a desire to search.

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Abrams in the latest version have reinforced armor and in fact do not strike in the frontal projection with Russian ammunition of all types.

Don't be ridiculous ... How and how did they reinforce the 50 mm thick upper frontal part? This is simply NOT POSSIBLE. Did they strengthen the cannon mask? Same no ... 300 mm of armor, now it is not an obstacle

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The VLD of Abrams has an inclination of 82 degrees, so there is 50 mm behind the eyes.

According to various estimates, Abrams's booking is assessed as follows

M1A2SEP / SEPv2 / M1A1AIMv2 / FEP (2000) tower: ~ 800-950 mm from OBPS / ~ 1600 mm from CS, hull: presumably 600-650 mm from OBPS / 1100 mm from CS.

Abrams was created precisely as a tank against Soviet tanks, and ours for breaking through the front and supporting the infantry.

Previously, the ATGM still somehow solved the problem of the powerful protection of Abrams, but with the advent of KAZ, this advantage was nullified.

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The VLD of Abrams has an inclination of 82 degrees, so there is 50 mm behind the eyes.

Yeah ... especially for ammunition from above, and our army has enough of them

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

ours to break through the front and support the infantry.

I didn’t know .... And for defense and actions in depth, what was created?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Previously, the ATGM still somehow solved the problem of the powerful protection of Abrams, but with the advent of KAZ, this advantage was nullified.

Do you only know ATGMs from anti-tank weapons?

[Old tanker]

Add to this the fact that these tanks are equipped with a KAZ that works both against ATGMs and even against BOPS.

Ratmir.
There is no KAZ on the sep3 serial version.

[Ulrich]

To attack? On whom? :))))))

[svp67]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

With bridges in Poland

While in Poland. 70 tons of weight can there be a lot of them now, and without this the fate of the Indian "Ajuna" awaits them ... to operate from bridge to bridge, and since there are a lot of rivers, rivulets, ravines, canals, swamps there, then .... you understand ... Even their Leo-2 is a little more than 50 tons, and then immediately there is such a jump

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Poland received a powerful fist in the form of 250 Abrams tanks, this is a fact.

Fist against whom?
Do you believe that the Russian Federation will attack Poland?
Or will the Poles go to war against Russia?

[URAL72]

the most modern, battle-tested tanks ", created specifically to counter the Russian" Armata ".

Firstly, when Abrams was created, they did not even think about Armata. Secondly, who said 250? It can be 130-180 cars. And who said it got it? In five years he will receive it. In general, it's stupid - they'd better take the Leopard. But they have an owner, he needs to put the tanks from storage somewhere, and even make money.

[paul3390]

A fist is a fist, but how to supply such a tank zoo ?? To have in service with THREE completely different vehicles is a strong decision .. Even the great Soviet Union - and then I got into such inconsistencies, what can we say about Psheklandia .. And if you consider that two of them are generally of foreign origin with all the financial consequences and logistics ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Problems with fuel and bridges can be solved.

Poland received a powerful fist in the form of 250 Abrams tanks, this is a fact.

We also need to buy a dog for each tank, so that there would be four tankers in each "Abrams" and a dog.

[zwlad]

Who cares how powerful a fist Poland got. They will rot in the hangars anyway. It's just that one of the lords will get a good jackpot from this deal. That's all politics.

[bmp5555]

How about bridges? Will our pontoons be called?

[knn54]

There was a video on the Web of a training battle between the M1 Abrams and the Polish PT-91 Twardy (main battle tank, license T-72).
And then they swung at the "Armata".

[bmp5555]

Did Poland make such a decision? Apparently there are air conditioners and toilets for everyone. H-ha.

[Roman1970_1]

Now, if Russian tanks were bought, there would be no problems.
Poles fuckers

[Artem76]

They took it straight off the tongue ... You can "congratulate" the Poles, bought the tanks, the only thing left to do is to widen the streets, rebuild roads, remake bridges, replace railways and platforms, and so on throughout the country ... that's how reforms are needed spend!

[tralflot1832]

There they will die at bases in Poland. 150 200 tanks, the weather will play. With the load capacity of bridges in Belarus 20 tons per axle.

[farm2009]

And what will prevent them from building pontoon bridges and transferring armored vehicles over them?

[tralflot1832]

This time !!! The same as for ours

[Alex_You]

20 tons per axle, which axle? The truck has 5 axles, which is 100 tons in total. Roughly speaking 70 tons Abrams, plus 15 tons tractor with trawl, 95 tons. 5 more in stock.
Z. All these worries about the bridges, fierce game, I personally observed how a convoy of equipment on trawls passed along an old bridge with a 15-ton limit. The column included 4 T-72s. So who wants to let him count how much weight has passed on a 15-ton bridge and nothing is worth.

[Old tanker]

Soviet bridges were made with a significant margin of safety. Quite we drove T-20 and T-80 on reinforced concrete bridges with a limit of 72 tons in one proud Caucasian republic. But you are right, weight restrictions on bridges does not mean at all that heavier vehicles will not pass on it. The only question is how long this bridge will last. And somehow everyone forgot about the railway bridges.
So the carrying capacity of bridges is a rather far-fetched problem.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

With the carrying capacity of bridges in Belarus 20 tons per axle.

They will put them near Mamonovo on the border as firing points.

[OgnennyiKotik]

As far as I understand, there are problems with the purchase of leopards. In Germany, they were not left in storage. They all sold out. Now only production from scratch. It is more expensive and just longer, and the 2A7 has very big differences from the 2A4 / 5, consider a new type of tank. Abrams and K2 remain on the market. Here, too, M1 wins in price and production speed, with comparable parameters. So the choice is logical.
The T-72M1 / PT-91 should be written off anyway. After that, there will be 2 types of tanks unified in terms of shells and communications.
Abrams in storage ~ 4000 pieces, sell and sell.

[Albert1988]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Here, too, M1 wins in price and production speed

Let me remind you that Abrams is no longer produced, at all. Even the plant has long been demolished. Only there is a recovery production for updating machines from storage.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Let me remind you that hulls and turrets are not produced, because 4 tanks in storage will provide them for several decades to come. Everything else is produced perfectly and the plant is functioning perfectly. The use of ready-made hulls and towers significantly reduces the cost and production time, which is a great competitive advantage.

[Albert1988]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Let me remind you that hulls and turrets are not produced, because 4 tanks in storage will provide them for several decades to come.

The production of devices, of course, is, the production of barrels, too. And they are produced at different enterprises.
But to say that there is a production of tanks is incorrect. There is a recovery.

[carstorm 11]

What nonsense ... Well, there is no sense from him in our theater of operations ... Why they throw money down the drain to me personally is not very clear. Like the deflection is included?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: carstorm 11

What nonsense ... Well, there is no sense from him in our theater of operations ... Why they throw money down the drain to me personally is not very clear. Like the deflection is included?

As a means of supporting the infantry during active defense, it fully justifies itself.

[carstorm 11]

Active? Rivers, swamps, forests. And there are many of them))) this carcass will be hard there.

[Walking towards the light]

Like they are large and democratic, "molecules of democracy" in armor.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: carstorm 11

Is the deflection taken into account?

Deflection and cutting

[Ruslan Sulima]

Damn, judging by the screams, Russia is going to take over now, why will the supplies only in 2022?
It would be better not la-la, obviously with a closer and weaker neighbor, they gathered to talk.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

Damn, judging by the screams, Russia is going to take over now, why will the supplies only in 2022?

And the border of Poland with Russia, only in the Kaliningrad province. In fact, this is East Prussia. In vain, Stalin regretted the Poles, there would now be a border with Poland near Szczecin.

[Igor Ushakov]

I see 2 news:
1. Americans get rid of cars that have become obsolete (see https://topwar.ru/184231-avtomat-zarjazhanija-i-bronja-na-osnove-kompozitov-v-ssha-rasskazali-o-perspektivnoj-versii-tanka-abrams .html)
2. Anti-Russian hysteria is growing in Poland.

[Alien From]

250 !!!!! they will sweat to pay for them .....

[Bradley]

The Polish Armed Forces are at a very high level, and 250 Abrams will further strengthen them.

The minister stressed that Poland will receive "the most modern, battle-tested tanks", created specifically to confront the Russian "Armata".

Those. will give M829A3 or M829A4? And what kind of filler will there be in the armor? And will there be a KAZ?

[Ros 56]

And why did he need it?

[Bradley]

belay Why does he need it? fellow

What is it?

[Ros 56]

And will there be a KAZ?

[Bradley]

And will there be a KAZ?

Of course it is.

[rocket757]

"Decision made": Poland announced the purchase of American tanks М1А2 SEP v3 Abrams

... There was no sadness, I decided to buy a "woman / shopkeeper" "pig!
And he is such a hog that he does not climb under bridges, does not climb over bridges, does not ride, and other "joys" may appear ... by the way, whoever thought about the dubious usefulness of this venture ??? It's doubtful.

[Kurare]

Quote: rocket757

There was no sadness, I decided to buy a "woman / shopkeeper" "pig!

"Good" buy-in: three aces for a minuscule!

Without taking into account the usefulness of these pepelats, Poland is further and further separated from Europe - this time, this purchase put an end to its own developments (the Wilk MBT project) - these are two.

[rocket757]

The result, the result will be and many will not like it in any way.
However, this is not our sorrow for a long time ... on your own, on your own!

[Kurare]

Quote: rocket757

However, this is not our sorrow for a long time ... on your own, on your own!

We stock up on popcorn!

[rocket757]

No, not interesting ... with the edge of our ear, between other events, if / when it gets through, we can pay attention.

[Elephant]

Poles do not need tanks for self-defense. Obviously, in the event of a serious aggravation in the square, the Poles will try to cut off part of the Ukrainian lands!

[xorek]

Quote: Elephant

Poles do not need tanks for self-defense. Obviously, in the event of a serious aggravation in the square, the Poles will try to cut off part of the Ukrainian lands!

Think correctly, soon the section will start feeling ..

[demiurg]

Most of all this news should alert our little forelock brothers.
200-250 tanks against the RF Armed Forces, that's dust. And even if all 40 F-16s are on the move, they mean nothing. A couple of days of intense fighting and they'll be over. But Ukraine does not have a sane Air Force and ASP for them, there are no helicopters and tanks from the 90s. But there is Lviv.

[Ros 56]

Such a hawthorn grows in my garden, beauty. You take pure alcohol, add berries, insist and ..... it turns out a great thing.

[Ros 56]

Of course it is possible, but I'm afraid people will get drunk and start sending us for more, but we will not be able to handle such volumes.

[Ros 56]

Let them take it, over there the Germans' Leopards are half faulty, these Abrams will be like that. What does it matter to us. While there is no collision, let them play, and in case of a skirmish, they will all burn with a blue flame with black smoke.

[Zoomlion]

All these movements of the Poles are like a dead poultice.

[smaug78]

the hyena will buy tanks with the last money

[xorek]

Why do the Poles need them? After all, all this is useless if Russia gets angry completely ..

[ebrd]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

According to the information that was, Abrams to replace the T-72. So there will be 2 types of tanks, unified in terms of shells and communications. About the mate part, Russia somehow contains 3 types of tanks (and in the "types" themselves there are many options), with 4 on the way. So type 2 is not much.

Oh wei! ,, Russia somehow contains ... ,,. Russia PRODUCES these same tanks on a full cycle! And Poland only produced T-72 under license until a certain time. It has nothing to do with the production of LEO-2 and M1 tanks. Not a single country that does not produce the required nomenclature minimum of military equipment, weapons and ammunition can count on success in an armed conflict. Look at little Israel.

[spirit]

OOOO! And only recently there was news of how they grieved in the USA at the plant for the production and modernization of the Abrams, they say there are no orders, we are closing) We already cried for 250 tanks, they still ponder, you see who else orders

[Albert1988]

Quote: spirit

They have already cried for 250 tanks, they will still ponder, you see who else will order what

Most likely, the Poles will simply be thrown off those abrashes that the Americans have already brought to the sprats in the Baltic states. Dragging from America, and even sorting it out properly = it will be tortured. And then drag a couple of tens of kilometers from one place to another and voila!

[Speedy]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Problems with fuel and bridges can be solved.

Poland received a powerful fist in the form of 250 Abrams tanks, this is a fact.

We also need to buy a dog for each tank, so that there would be four tankers in each "Abrams" and a dog.

And a Georgian)). Three Poles, Georgians and a dog)).

[wow]

Four tankmen and a dog 2.0

[Vasyan1971]

Time will tell whether this will lead to technical and logistic problems.

We must ask the Indians about such dances ...

[bmp5555]

ToTTashloPonchoT

[Vadim F]

they will hand over the T-72 for scrap and recover half of the amount ... iron is expensive these days.

[Roman Efremov]

Quite recently there was news (perhaps I read it here on the forum, I don’t remember) about the NATO exercise in Poland, during which it was decided not to use the Abrams because of "logistics problems." And this modification is the most difficult. The tank is the most powerful, of course - but too heavy, if not to fight on the highway, but on the ground. And further to the east of Poland, the situation is only worse (if the Poles are going to smash the aggressor on his own territory). :-)

[Shket53]

Very interesting .... psheks announced the purchase of F-35s, announced a program to modernize their Navy, if I am not mistaken, in particular, the purchase of submarines as much as 4 pieces according to the German project, and here you have 250 Abrams. Hmm, just phenomenal. And Pshekia's pants will not subside from such a financial burden. It seems to me that this is just the wish of the noble ones

[Evil 55]

Something tells me that the stage of adaptation of the "Abrashka" to the conditions of the eastern front .. After all, within the framework of military exploitation, all the weaknesses of an overly praised object will come to light.

[Oleg Aviator]

The decision is not Poland and the State Department. That will give it and will be with them.

[riwas]

Where does Poland get the money for such large military spending?

[Roma 1977]

The military budget of Poland is $ 10 billion. At the same time, Poland is the largest recipient of EU subsidies. That is, roughly speaking, Germany pays for everything.

[riwas]

Poland has a persecution mania. Made up an enemy and wasted money.

[Roma 1977]

Not so simple. The US decided to make Poland a key country in Europe to confront Russia. Under this, the West allocates a lot of money, and not only for the direct maintenance of the combat capability of the Polish Army, but also for infrastructure projects, such as bridges, roads, ports, airfields.

[Sasha from Uralmash]

Dear beautiful toy! And to keep it, is dear to yourself!

[Bosun61]

For fun.
Wrenches from the Leopard, suitable for servicing Abrams and related purchased equipment from America?