Disputes over Russia's national security strategy

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"The Soviet Union did not have a national security strategy, but there was security, state security." This is how Konstantin Semin comments on the approval of a new national security strategy in the Russian Federation, which evokes different emotions in different experts.

At the same time, the author of the story in the next issue of "Agitprop" tries to ignore the issue that the existence of state security in the USSR ultimately did not become a guarantee of the preservation of the country. The Soviet Union, with all that colossal power component, along with the special services component, was collapsed. Who or with whose help is a separate question. But the fact remains.



Konstantin Semin, referring to the above issue:

You say, why then everything collapsed? Well, certainly not because of the alphabetical listing of threats.

According to the author of the story, variants of the national security strategy began to appear in Russia, which, in fact, became a copy of the American strategy, which has been prepared by the White House since 2002.

The journalist believes that the 44-page document with the national security strategy is not needed either by ordinary Russians, or by the real enemies of Russia, who, even without this document, know everything (or almost everything) about Russia and its power component.

Disputes over the national security strategy of the Russian Federation:

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  1. +7
    14 July 2021 12: 49
    There can be only one strategy for Russia's national security - the immediate return of Soviet power! Everything else is just verbiage and deception, having nothing to do with national security.
    1. +15
      14 July 2021 13: 24
      Quote: paul3390
      There can be only one strategy for Russia's national security - the immediate return of Soviet power! Everything else is just verbiage and deception, having nothing to do with national security.

      What national security can there be when the nation is dying out and losses, as if there is a real war .. They need to call the document by their own name, namely - the Strategy for the security of their own money and assets .. their security has nothing to do with us .. or an ordinary citizen , has been "at war" for a long time, but the truth is not with an external enemy, but with an internal .. internal, created such fascist living conditions in which the external enemy does not matter. In other words, the state does not fulfill its functions of the citizen's protector. And not in any area .. but capital protects and multiplies very well .. its own capital.
      1. 0
        14 July 2021 14: 04
        Quote: Svarog
        but capital protects and multiplies very well .. its own capital.

        I would not say! How was Deripaska undressed? And Gazprom's profit fell 9 times ... And how much do Gazprom and Rosneft owe? Effective managers rule!
        1. +1
          14 July 2021 15: 17
          And how much money did the defective managers from the Soviet regime scattered around the world without any return, can you tell me? And where are all these brothers, brothers and brothers of different breeds and colors now? They spit at us from different sides, we don't have time to wipe ourselves off.
          It is necessary to conduct a deep scientific analysis of both Soviet times and post-Soviet times. Only then is it possible to give a correct assessment, and wave a saber on the topic: then it was good, but now it is bad, very stupid and senseless. Something was beautiful then, and something is good today. All this is complicated and requires serious work to study such a global segment of our history.
          1. -1
            15 July 2021 02: 11
            Quote: Ros 56
            how much money was scattered around the world without any return

            Guess three times who forgave them all?
            Quote: Ros 56
            deep scientific analysis

            And how many billions are now flowing abroad and settling there without a return, the figures are known, without secrets .. Do you like it better?
            1. +1
              15 July 2021 07: 02
              Don't ask me stupid questions. I expressed my opinion, and you can at least theorize.
              1. -2
                15 July 2021 07: 51
                Quote: Ros 56
                don't ask stupid questions

                Quote: Ros 56
                And how much money did the defective managers from the Soviet regime scattered around the world without any return, can you tell me? And where are all these brothers, brothers and brothers of different breeds and colors now?

                Very clever and topical questions ... don’t you think?
                And you have nothing to answer my questions ... hi
    2. -6
      14 July 2021 13: 28
      Exactly, but Comrade Zyu is at the head, not Ze. Are you serious? Was the 90s not enough for you?
      1. +1
        14 July 2021 13: 38
        What does Genosse Zyu have to do with Soviet power ?? what And the Soviet power - by the 90s ?? belay
        1. +1
          14 July 2021 13: 57
          Genosse Szyu is from the group of figures who gave us the blessed 90s. Soviet power is the most direct thing. The unforgettable 90s were presented to us by the leaders of this power, who betrayed the country and people.
          1. +1
            14 July 2021 14: 04
            You mean Putin, Shoigu, Chubais, Gaidar and others? Weren't they members of the CPSU? Didn't they betray the Soviet Union? Although some - in general, swore an oath to defend him to the last drop of blood ..
            1. +4
              14 July 2021 14: 14
              I mean ALL the active members of the CPSU and the Komsomol in the rank of the leaders of primary organizations and above, who betrayed their ideals and principles, who easily changed their beliefs, who yesterday shouted: "five years in 3 years!", And then: "give privatization! ".
              1. -5
                14 July 2021 14: 16
                Well? And where does the Soviet power 2.1 ?? Do you really think there will be a place for them all? Not - of course - in Kolyma. For those, of course, who will not be smeared with greenery on their foreheads for special merits ..
                1. +3
                  14 July 2021 14: 19
                  And will it, the Soviet government, v 2.1? Not sure.
                  1. -2
                    14 July 2021 14: 21
                    Do we have a choice ??? Either it will be - or the bourgeoisie will definitely finish us off. Both as a country and as a people.
        2. +5
          14 July 2021 14: 01
          Quote: paul3390
          And the Soviet power - by the 90s ??

          Well, continuing the soap Ros 56, but with your amendment, you can look at the history of the transition from the Republic of Ingushetia to the USSR, this does not change the essence. Or do you have any solution that allows you to peacefully create "USSR 2.0"? that is, without revolutions, civil wars and interventions ...
          1. -4
            14 July 2021 14: 17
            There is no such decision and cannot be. Only a revolution - for the good bourgeoisie will never give up the loot for life.
            1. 0
              14 July 2021 14: 33
              Quote: ProkletyiPirat
              Or do you have any solution that allows you to peacefully create "USSR 2.0"? that is, without revolutions, civil wars and interventions ...
              Quote: paul3390
              There is no such decision and cannot be.

              Ugus, yeah, but, in fact, it is possible, and there are even people who are working on such options, for example, through the formation of securities (but you are too lazy to "google-drip"). But all this is too complicated and much easier and more pleasant to shout about "evil CIA-schnicks, traitors, corrupt officials" who destroyed "the great and mighty USSR", and about "all-Russia-saving revolution".
              1. -1
                14 July 2021 14: 41
                Change of social formation by buying up securities ??? belay Do you understand what you are carrying? what
            2. 0
              14 July 2021 18: 43
              Quote: paul3390
              Only revolution - for

              If this revolution does happen (God forbid), I hope that all your family and friends will enjoy it to the fullest.
              1. -1
                14 July 2021 19: 50
                Well - and then you enjoy the current well-being. Just like your family. A slave is a slave.
                1. -2
                  14 July 2021 20: 14
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Well - and then you enjoy the current well-being.

                  Normal life, there are good and bad, but more good.
                  Quote: paul3390
                  A slave is a slave.

                  Go to some Somalia and live freely. Who is against something?
                2. -3
                  15 July 2021 08: 09
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Well - and then you enjoy the current well-being. Just like your family. A slave is a slave.

                  It is ridiculous to read about slavery from a man who longs for a country, more than half of whose history peasants were deprived of passports and could not change their place of residence without the approval of the village council.
                  It is ridiculous to read about slavery from a person nostalgic for the country, where a criminal case could be initiated against people who are on the street without a vacation certificate.
                  And this is not a dense Middle Ages, this is the modern 20th century.
                  Do you really want to return THERE?
          2. 0
            16 July 2021 18: 47
            It is impossible to return the USSR - this train left long ago.
        3. 0
          14 July 2021 15: 03
          You fell from the moon, then you really need to repeat everything.
    3. +1
      15 July 2021 18: 50
      and everyone who is at least partly involved in anti-national laws or at least a ruble from the people's pockets took and sent to enclose the northern coast of Russia
    4. +1
      17 July 2021 19: 06
      paul3390 (Pavel), 14 July 2021 12:49- "... There can be only one strategy for Russia's national security - the immediate return of Soviet power! Everything else is just verbiage and deception, having nothing to do with national security ..."

      Colleague - paul3390 (Pavel). July 14, 2021 12:49 - at you - your "ONE" sounds beautifuloh "but, this, if you believe in "Cribli, crab-boom-s"(words of the wizard from the Brothers Grimm fairy tale About the Snow Queen). And you sit down with a pencil and analyze, at least the classic of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR - VIL on the issue raised. If THIS was only ONE question ... Primitive list - number of n \ n, Question-problem, what is required for the solution. One of the heroes of Soviet childhood liked to repeat: "... How many times you shout - halva, halva ... Your mouth will not become sweeter ..." Sadly, VO is a place of communication between servicemen, and often, it is observed who is who on aggressive tracks .... or Urya-ya. As in the song: "... I go for a walk with a machine gun, how easy it is to be a soldier, to be a soldier ..." fellow ... One thing is clear, that there are problems (everyone knows) and THEM must be solved, tk. They will still be decided by partners, options are already visible ... from NATo through O, Ukraine, by the fall of 2021 or 2024 - to prices incl. on an exotic root crop - carrots, etc., drying out ONE and the delivery of hardworking, but not craftsmen, not particularly loyal. There are also problems with ter and Wed Asia .. In general, as in the song: "... Everything is fine, beautiful marquise and things are going well ... ": Good luck hi:
  2. +10
    14 July 2021 12: 55
    The 44-page document with the national security strategy is not needed either by ordinary Russians or by Russia's real enemies
    Perhaps a journalist living overseas will be surprised, but such documents are not written for ordinary citizens, and even less so for enemies. And not even for agitprop journalists.
    1. +1
      14 July 2021 13: 26
      Quote: Lesovik
      The 44-page document with the national security strategy is not needed either by ordinary Russians or by Russia's real enemies
      Perhaps a journalist living overseas will be surprised, but such documents are not written for ordinary citizens, and even less so for enemies. And not even for agitprop journalists.

      And for whom? laughing For the repose of those in power .. that would not worry .. maybe your money will not suffer?
      1. +7
        14 July 2021 13: 33
        Quote: Svarog
        And for whom?
        Such documents are designed to set the vector for the development of the state for years to come. Accordingly, they are written not even for specific people, but for officials. Precisely so that the development of the state in a specific direction does not depend on the whim of the person who has taken a certain post in the state. And don't say you don't understand it. How this is embodied in reality is another question.
        1. 0
          14 July 2021 13: 47
          did not depend on the whim of the person who took a certain post in the state

          It's funny .. Otherwise we have not seen how this certain person calmly, without a twinge of conscience, rules any fundamental documents for himself and puts with the device on any of his promises ..
          1. +1
            14 July 2021 13: 51
            Quote: paul3390
            We didn't see
            If you had read to the end, you would have seen this phrase:
            Quote: Lesovik
            How this is embodied in reality is another question.
            1. -1
              14 July 2021 14: 05
              Yes? That is, is it just an empty piece of paper that means absolutely nothing? Why write then?
              1. +2
                14 July 2021 14: 12
                Quote: paul3390
                That is, is it just an empty piece of paper that means absolutely nothing?

                Did I say so? The development vector is set. This, of course, is not a "national idea", but a guide to action. And then ... "It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines."
                Quote: paul3390
                Why then write?

                Life is a changeable thing. But without planning, no goals at all can be achieved.
                1. -6
                  14 July 2021 14: 14
                  Uh-uh ... But what about the invisible hand of the market, which, like, without any planning, will put everything in its place? belay
                  1. +3
                    14 July 2021 14: 19
                    Quote: paul3390
                    But what about the invisible hand of the market, which, like, without any planning, will put everything in its place?

                    Do you still believe in fairy tales?
                    1. -4
                      14 July 2021 14: 23
                      Me not. I am a communist, I cannot believe in such nonsense. But our government seems to believe sincerely. Judging by the crap that's going on in the country.
                      1. +1
                        14 July 2021 14: 32
                        Quote: paul3390
                        Me not. But our government seems to believe sincerely

                        If I am not mistaken, the authorities began to make the first planning attempts back in the XNUMXs. But in an open economy, permanent crises and economic sanctions can bury any plan. At least make corrections.
                      2. -7
                        14 July 2021 14: 40
                        Why plan then ?? If it is clear that the existing colonial model of the economy is frankly wiped out by these plans?
                      3. +3
                        14 July 2021 14: 47
                        Quote: paul3390
                        Why plan then?

                        Do you even read my answers?
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        without planning, no goals at all can be achieved.
                      4. +2
                        14 July 2021 15: 44
                        Quote: paul3390
                        I am a communist, I cannot believe in such nonsense.

                        I respect the position. Only now I would like to know from you - what kind of a communist are you, otherwise too many leaders covered themselves with this title, and in the end they were ordinary opportunists.
                      5. +3
                        15 July 2021 14: 22
                        Quote: paul3390
                        I'm a communist

                        Not even funny! What the hell are you a communist !!! You are the evolution of Soviet kitchen dissidents and nothing more !!
                      6. -1
                        16 July 2021 18: 57
                        "I am a communist" Of you, the same communist as barilin's cow. Kostik is the same communist - though with the prefix pseudo the same populist and balabol no more with zero efficiency, in fact, is the same as some of our officials in all places.
          2. 0
            15 July 2021 14: 16
            Quote: paul3390
            Otherwise, we didn’t see how this certain person calmly, without a twinge of conscience, rules any fundamental documents for himself and puts the device on any of his promises ..

            what Are you talking about Khrushchev or Brezhnev ... not exactly about Andropov!
          3. -2
            16 July 2021 18: 52
            A promise is not documents with signatures and seals - it does not oblige anything and does not confirm in fact, so your run over that the officials and the government promise and do not fulfill are empty.
        2. +1
          14 July 2021 13: 48
          "the development of the state in a specific direction did not depend on the whim of the person who occupied a certain post in the state."

          That is, it all depends on what is written in the strategy?))

          And the amendment with zeroing has long been spelled out there too?
          1. +1
            14 July 2021 13: 51
            Quote: Revival
            That is, it all depends on us

            There is an answer to a similar question just above.
  3. -1
    14 July 2021 13: 07
    The national security strategy is to protect the uncontrolled export of timber, hydrocarbons, fish and the export of capital. As soon as this stream is depleted, then there will be nothing to defend.
  4. +12
    14 July 2021 13: 07
    "The Soviet Union did not have a national security strategy, but there was security, state security."
    I agree. Even at the everyday level, remember, the children walked alone on the street all day .. That feeling of calm is no longer there.
    1. +4
      14 July 2021 13: 15
      Uh-huh .. As long as I remember - all my life, the key was put under the rug, well - or in the mailbox. And no one was hovering. Everyone had cardboard doors, when I first saw a metal one - I was extremely amazed. What for? From the first grade we went to school ourselves, played in the yard, and no one worried ..

      The whole district knew that our district police officer had a glass in his holster - did it somehow bother him? And now these astronauts are equipped as from science fiction films. Against who? Why do public defenders need an armor, a helmet, a machine gun and armored vehicles with machine guns? Who saw under Soviet power - a cop in armor and with a machine gun? They somehow managed to calmly manage without all this ... Because the government was truly people's. As well as the police. And now - very correctly they were renamed into policemen. Correct decision .. Policemen are.
      1. -2
        14 July 2021 14: 18
        Quote: paul3390
        As far as I remember, all my life I put the key under the rug, or in the mailbox. And no one hovered

        I'm embarrassed to ask - what did you have to take? A crystal vase? A vacuum cleaner? Is TV Record heavy?
        Stretched knee workouts?
        Quote: paul3390
        The whole district knew that our district police officer had a glass in his holster - did it somehow bother him?

        In 1979, 29 police officers were killed while taking possession of their weapons. Not accidents or drunkenness or in an accident (there are separate statistics) - purposeful theft of weapons !!!!
        Quote: paul3390
        Why do public defenders need an armor, a helmet, a machine gun and armored vehicles with machine guns?

        Why was all this necessary in Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs?
        Why in Moscow (!!!)under socialism (!!!)) was needed division(!!!!)them. Dzerzhinsky (ODON) ??? !!! With armored personnel carriers ??? When folk (!!!!) authorities?????!!!
        And not in 1990 - but since 1924 ...
        1. 0
          14 July 2021 14: 20
          And - what? Once again, during the USSR, have you ever seen a policeman in armor and with a machine gun? And what about a police armored vehicle with a machine gun on the street?
          1. -2
            14 July 2021 14: 43
            Quote: paul3390
            a police armored vehicle with a machine gun on the street?

            I didn't see her then and I don't see her now ...
            There are no armored vehicles in the city .....
            The cops, yes, they came here recently with machine guns and armored vehicles - I opened the basement but did not take it off the guard feel

            But you still did not answer, why was OMSDON in the USSR in Moscow ??? Under the People's Power - and with armored personnel carriers? In the 50-60-70s ????
            1. 0
              14 July 2021 14: 45
              And I saw. In St. Petersburg - more than once.

              And in the Union - I have not seen. Never. No armored vehicles, no cyborgs, no machine guns. I'll tell you more - I never even saw a police baton then.

              Does the answer suit you?
              1. 0
                14 July 2021 15: 46
                Quote: paul3390
                Does the answer suit you?

                No, since you answered YOUR OWN question
                Quote: paul3390
                Once again, during the USSR, have you ever seen a policeman in armor and with a machine gun? And what about a militia armored vehicle with a machine gun on the street?

                Quote: paul3390
                And in the Union - I have not seen. Never. No armored vehicles, no cyborgs, no machine guns. I'll tell you more - I never even saw a police baton then.

                But on MY you still haven't answered the question
                Quote: your1970
                Why was all this necessary in the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs?
                Why did they need a division (!!!!) in Moscow (!!!) under socialism (!!!)). Dzerzhinsky (ODON) ??? !!! With armored personnel carriers ??? Under the people's (!!!!) power ????? !!!
                And not in 1990 - but since 1924 ...
                1. 0
                  14 July 2021 18: 48
                  Quote: your1970
                  Why did they need a division (!!!!) in Moscow (!!!) under socialism (!!!)). Dzerzhinsky (ODON) ??? !!! With armored personnel carriers ??? Under the people's (!!!!) power ????? !!!

                  Apparently to protect the people's power from the people.
        2. -1
          14 July 2021 15: 52
          Quote: your1970
          Why was all this necessary in the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs?

          Because the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were the reserve of the country's armed forces in case of mobilization measures. That is why they had initial military training as motorized rifle units of the SA, and the entire leadership of the Internal Troops, as a rule, graduated from the Frunze Academy.
          Quote: your1970
          Why did they need a division (!!!!) in Moscow (!!!) under socialism (!!!)). Dzerzhinsky (ODON) ??? !!!

          Do not be ridiculous - two deployed SA divisions and one motorized rifle brigade were stationed in the same way near Moscow and no one was soared by this. And there is no need to talk about other units of the Ministry of Defense - all headquarters and support were also located in the Moscow region and Moscow.
          Quote: your1970
          With armored personnel carriers ??? Under the people's (!!!!) power ????? !!!
          And not in 1990 - but since 1924 ...

          And what's wrong with that, at least in terms of ensuring security during mass events? Should we constantly import them from other regions, as it was during the Moscow Olympiad?
          1. -4
            14 July 2021 16: 53
            Quote: ccsr
            Do not be ridiculous - two deployed SA divisions and one motorized rifle brigade stood in the same way near Moscow and no one was soared about it

            In general, yes ... It's not funny ... To attach the Ministry of Defense to the question of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...
            If you don’t understand, the headquarters and Kantemirovka and Tamanskaya could stand anywhere - even in Kamchatka, even in Chop, but the division was SPECIALLY created and intended to disperse the population. .. Yes Yes....
            Quote: ccsr
            And what's wrong with that, at least in terms of ensuring security during mass events?

            And what are these massive activities did she provide? At least one during the post-war period?
            Festivals - police.
            Olympiad is the police.
            May Day / Victory Day / November 7 - police.
            What else - if
            Quote: paul3390
            our district police officer has a glass in a holster
            and peace and grace in the country?
            1. -4
              14 July 2021 18: 09
              Quote: your1970
              In general, yes ... It's not funny ... To attach the Ministry of Defense to the question of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...

              In fact, the explosives were part of the Armed Forces of the USSR, so they are troops in the first place, like the troops of the Ministry of Defense.
              Quote: your1970
              If you don’t understand, the headquarters and Kantemirovka and Tamanskaya could stand anywhere, even in Kamchatka,

              And when did they stand there in Soviet times? They could not stand there, if only because these two divisions were entrusted with all the ostentatious measures of the Ministry of Defense, both for internal use and for foreign military specialists.
              Quote: your1970
              but the division is SPECIALLY created and designed to disperse the population.

              Not to disperse, but to ensure order during mass events - no need to pull an owl on the globe, given the fact that there were no mass demonstrations in Moscow under the USSR.
              By the way, you seem to have forgotten where the BMPs were from during the August events, or the tanks during the shooting of the White House.
              Quote: your1970
              And what kind of mass events did she provide? At least one for the post-war period?
              Festivals - police.
              Olympiad is the police.

              So they were part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and, together with police officers, patrolled the streets of the capital even on holidays. Have you not seen this even in Soviet times?
              Quote: your1970
              and peace and grace in the country?

              You will be surprised, but then all everyday problems between neighbors were solved by the district police officer. He knew everyone, him too, and it was enough for him to just warn the rowdy, saying that he would report to work or register, and everything was immediately decided.
              1. -1
                14 July 2021 22: 04
                Quote: ccsr
                In fact, the BB was part of the Armed Forces of the USSR, so they are troops in the first place, like the troops of the Ministry of Defense.
                -from they had nothing to do with the Ministry of Defense, they were always subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.Formally according to the law "On conscription" they were part of the Soviet army, but in fact all orders, all internal structure, supplies, rights, benefits and pensions were Ministry of Internal Affairs.

                Quote: ccsr
                And when did they stand there in Soviet times?
                you did not read carefully
                Quote: your1970
                РјРѕРіР »Ryo stand anywhere - even in Kamchatka, even in Chop

                naturally parquet divisions were close at hand ..

                Quote: ccsr
                Not to disperse, but to ensure order during mass events - no need to pull an owl on the globe, given the fact that there were no mass demonstrations in Moscow under the USSR.
                -there was not in Moscow, in the country there were ...
                "Examples of mass riots with grave consequences in the elimination of which the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs took part are [3]:
                Mass riots in Novorossiysk 1956
                The riots in Grozny in 1958
                The 1959 Uprising in Temirtau
                The riots in Krasnodar in 1961
                The riots in Beslan 1961
                The riots in Murom in 1961
                Mass riots in Novocherkassk in 1962
                The riots in Nalchik in 1968
                Mass riots in Ordzhonikidze 1981
                December events in Alma-Ata 1986 "

                and more - about the "democratizers"
                "In the USSR, these special equipment were adopted by law enforcement agencies only in 1962, in accordance with the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR "On the adoption of a rubber cane and handcuffs for police armament" in order to strengthen the protection of state, public interests and personal rights of Soviet citizens from criminal encroachments.
                In 1966, an order of the RSFSR MOOP introduced a new procedure for wearing and using a rubber stick: "Allow the wearing of a rubber stick naked in the hand, as well as on a belt on the left side ...".

                and now about the precinct and
                Quote: ccsr
                then all household problems between neighbors were solved by the district police officer. He knew everyone, him too, and it was enough for him just warn the rowdy

                "Crime in the USSR in 1976
                The total number of crimes - 1 232 166 (in 1975 - 1 197 512) - growth;
                intentional killings - 17 (in 842 - 1975) - growth;
                attempted murders - 4002 (in 1975 - 4276) - fall;
                murders with robbery - 284 (in 1975 - 306) - fall;
                rape killings - 290 (in 1975 - 266) - growth;
                murders with hooliganism - 2056 (in 1975 — m – 1951) - growth;
                murders due to jealousy and quarrels - 11 732 (in 1975 - 11 856) - fall;
                killing by a mother of a newborn - 400 (in 1975 - 432) - fall;
                attacks on police officers - 369 (in 1975 - 371) - fall;
                rape - 16 575 (in 1975 - 16 139) - growth;
                robberies - 35 601 (in 1975 - 37 270) - fall;
                robberies - 9727 (in 1975 - 9766) - fall;
                hooliganism - 199 049 (in 1975 - 206 624) - fall;
                deliberate bodily harm - 35 686 (in 1975 - 34 163) - growth;
                crimes in the army - 16 653 (in 1975 - 16 710) - fall;
                bribery - 4311 (in 1975 - 4039) - growth. "

                Total killed in 1976 36206 people / 365 = 99,19 man in day(!!!!!!)
                + (average) daily attack on policemen ...

                Of course, there were Aniskins, where without them ... but, for example, in the Zavodskoy district of Saratov in the 1960s, cops were afraid to go even during the day. Father worked at the factory on the night shift - so he carried scrap with him. heavy and long. The cops didn’t bother - there was a hard worker in overalls with a crowbar, obviously at work, what questions ... and the hooligan had the idea of ​​getting hit with a crowbar - also somehow did not arouse enthusiasm ...
                but there was also a plus - dragging the crowbar pumped up his fingers so much that he unscrewed small nuts from the bolts with his fingers
                1. -3
                  15 July 2021 12: 32
                  Quote: your1970
                  -from they had nothing to do with the Ministry of Defense, they were always subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

                  Do not make people laugh - all the actions of the explosives in wartime were developed according to the plans of the General Staff, and the mobilists always took into account this particular reserve, and not ordinary police officers.
                  Quote: your1970
                  you did not read carefully
                  Quote: your1970
                  could stand anywhere - even in Kamchatka, even in Chop

                  No need to fantasize, no one was specifically going to drive divisions around the country, because their deployment in new places in peacetime is too costly. Do you know anything about the withdrawal of our divisions from Germany?
                  Quote: your1970
                  -there was not in Moscow, in the country there were ...

                  Well, do not jump to the side - you are concerned about the Dzerzhinsky division near Moscow, that's what you are talking about.
                  Quote: your1970
                  In 1966, an order of the RSFSR MOOP introduced a new procedure for wearing and using a rubber stick: "Allow the wearing of a rubber stick naked in the hand, as well as on a belt on the left side ...".

                  And what of this, if all this has long existed in many countries of the world?
                  Quote: your1970
                  Of course, there were Aniskins, where without them ... but, for example, in the Zavodskoy district of Saratov in the 1960s, cops were afraid to go even during the day.

                  I visited Saratov several times in the eighties, and very late returned to the hotel at the hostel, not far from the aircraft factory, if my memory serves me right. I did not carry any scrap with me, not even a penknife, and the locals did not warn me about any bandit attacks.
                  1. +1
                    15 July 2021 13: 01
                    Quote: ccsr
                    BB's actions military time developed according to the plans of the General Staff
                    do you distinguish wartime?
                    Quote: ccsr
                    No need to fantasize, no one was going to specifically drive divisions around the country

                    For the third time I write - they COULD is located anywhere, even in Uryupinsk, even during exercises !! And OMSDON was only at hand ...
                    Quote: ccsr
                    And what of this, if all this has long existed in many countries of the world?
                    в capitalist countries not ????? !! And then suddenly PEOPLE the authorities had to arm PEOPLE'S the police !!! Against the agents of the State Department, against Navalny, against whom did the USSR need clubs?
                    Here the choice is not rich - either against the people or against the sharply increased crime (where Aniskin can no longer cope with a glass in a holster) ...
                    Quote: ccsr
                    I have been to Saratov several times in eighties

                    It's pointless to talk to you ...
                    I'm Russian! ! ! language !!! wrote
                    Quote: your1970
                    in the 1960s !!!!!!!!
                    Did you talk about 1980-e...
                    You can at least catch the difference in 20 years. Everything could have changed here in a day - like 31.12.1999/XNUMX/XNUMX

                    You still won't answer my question
                    Quote: your1970
                    Why did they need a division (!!!!) in Moscow (!!!) under socialism (!!!)). Dzerzhinsky (ODON) ??? !!! With armored personnel carriers ??? Under the people's (!!!!) power ????? !!!
                    1. -2
                      15 July 2021 13: 41
                      Quote: your1970
                      do you distinguish wartime?

                      Yes, in peacetime, they work out all this with the mobists and agree.
                      Quote: your1970
                      they COULD be anywhere, even in Uryupinsk, even at exercises !! And OMSDON was only at hand ...

                      They could not, because in the event of a mess, there is more hope for them than for OMSDON, if only because of the number and heavy weapons. Don't fool me, I perfectly remember where the BMPs and tanks came from in 1991 and 1993.
                      Quote: your1970
                      And then suddenly the PEOPLE'S power had to arm the PEOPLE'S Militia !!! Against the agents of the State Department,

                      And that in our country there was no armed banditry, in the same Transcaucasian regions, or in some remote regions of the country?
                      Quote: your1970
                      And you started talking about the 1980s ...

                      You are talking nonsense, because the 60s were much calmer than the 80s, and I say this because, unlike you, I lived at that time. But you certainly did not live then, since you believe that it was scary to live in the 60s. Yes, then the "tower" was carried out without any slobbering, and only then did all the political figures talk nonsense about the need for humanity and the reeducation of criminals.
                      Quote: your1970
                      You still won't answer my question

                      Because there were not enough full-time employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to ensure order at the same Luzhniki stadium during sports competitions. Have you ever seen the human river that followed the football mast to the Sportivnaya metro station?
                      It was for such a case that the division was held, by the way, you do not seem to know how many military personnel there are, but 80 thousand people gathered at the Luzhniki Stadium. Even if the entire division is driven there, they are unlikely to cope with the unrest of such a mass of people.
                      In general, your naivety does not surprise me - you do not know the realities well, so jump around this division.
                      1. +1
                        16 July 2021 09: 01
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You are talking nonsense because The 60s were much quieter than the 80s and I say this because, unlike you, I lived at that time.

                        Unlike you - the Ministry of Internal Affairs thought differently by introducing a truncheon in 1962
                        However, you yourself perfectly confirm everything
                        Quote: ccsr
                        And that in our country there was no armed banditry, in the same Transcaucasian regions, or in some remote regions of the country?

                        It all started with this
                        ..
                        Quote: paul3390
                        I'll tell you more - I never even saw a police baton then.


                        Quote: ccsr
                        They could not, because in the event of a mess, there is more hope for them than for OMSDON, if only because of the number and heavy weapons. Don't fool me, I perfectly remember where the BMPs and tanks came from in 1991 and 1993.

                        Oops ..... More hope ???? And how did these divisions help the USSR to escape? No way ...
                      2. -1
                        16 July 2021 11: 11
                        Quote: your1970
                        Unlike you - the Ministry of Internal Affairs thought differently by introducing a truncheon in 1962

                        In the 60s, militiamen with truncheons did not go around the cities, they were mainly used to suppress the riot of prisoners.
                        Quote: your1970
                        More hope ???? And how did these divisions help the USSR to escape? No way ...

                        There was no order to save the USSR - the government was afraid that there would be a lot of bloodshed, so it refused to use force to suppress the disaffected. Say thank you to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union for finding the courage to surrender power without a big shock for the whole country. Well, the fact that the people were stupid then is now obvious.
                      3. 0
                        16 July 2021 11: 54
                        Quote: ccsr
                        they were mainly used to quell prisoner riots.
                        - ie, the prisoners rioted regularly ???? Since it was urgently required to set up production and provide?
                        You for yourself contradict in your neighboring posts and even within one. Either you have peace and quiet, or armed gangs in the Transcaucasus and clubs in the middle zone ...
                        I gave you the number of riots - the clubs were for them,
                        like a gas grenade which I deliberately feel did not write before .... simultaneously with batons introduced

                        Quote: ccsr
                        Well, the fact that the people were stupid then is now obvious.

                        300 million fools deceived MSG and EBN ?? Together?
                        There was no order for OMSDON to fight against the violation of the law?
                        Very comfortable position, why ...
                        In reality, everything was simpler - the people did not care ("This is somewhere up there, above and does not concern us"), the army of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the KGB made a brick muzzle - there is no order, the smart ones rushed to divide ...

                        I’m thinking, what if the miners who knocked their helmets into cabbage in 1989 — following the example of China — would the USSR survive or not ??? It all started with them by and large ...
                      4. -1
                        16 July 2021 13: 03
                        Quote: your1970
                        - ie, the prisoners rioted regularly ???? Since it was urgently required to set up production and provide?

                        It was a special device that was mass-produced taking into account the total number of prisoners, which is why it was produced in a large batch. What is not clear here?
                        Quote: your1970
                        I gave you the number of riots - the clubs were for them,

                        And this is good, instead of using weapons - you see how the Communist Party took care of the preservation of the people, after Novocherkassk.
                        Quote: your1970
                        300 million fools deceived MSG and EBN ?? Together?

                        There were no 300 million, don’t lie, it was about mature people who turned out to be fools who believed that under capitalism they would live much better than under Soviet rule. Judging by this forum, the current system is condemned by the majority - here is the confirmation of the stupidity of our people.

                        Quote: your1970
                        I’m thinking, what if the miners who knocked their helmets in 1989 would have been crumbled into cabbage - following the example of China - would the USSR survive or not ???

                        If reforms were also carried out, I would definitely have survived, judging by the number of billionaires who appeared after the collapse of the USSR, i.e. the material base was huge.
                      5. +1
                        16 July 2021 14: 56
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Judging by this forum, the current system is condemned by the majority - here is the confirmation of our people's stupidity.

                        Judging by this forum - the current dream of the USSR where "the grass was greener and the sky was blue .."
                        Not about REAL - where is an orange for a holiday, a cleaning lady / nanny / postman - 60 rubles of salary, where the unfortunate cocarboxylase (GDR) and LIV 52 (India) had to be DELIVERED through a professor of the medical institute, where there was a large amount of crime (there was !!), where the state twice threw its citizens on the grandmother - the reforms of the 40s and 1961, where the "people's" power was bought in closed buffets and distributors, where people fought in queues for the right to buy something ...
                        where they shouted "Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten", and nearby in the fields were the skulls of those who died in the war (I myself saw such a patch on Kursk - it’s good at least the tractor drivers made a border out of it and did not plow it) ...
                        Where war veterans stood in line for a car for a couple of three years - the father wanted a cornfield, the grandfather of Moskvich - the orange one came 2102. If you don't want to, don't take it, and wait a couple more years ...
                        Where these same veterans of the Second World War lived and died in barracks - under the slogans of the Holy War ...
                        Where collective farmers have thrown so much metal in the fields - that it has been collected for 20 years and there is still a lot of it. How much labor and resources were spent on then throwing the Kamaz rear axle or seeder into the ravine is indescribable. The USSR could have produced five times less if it were not for that collective farm indifference

                        The whole country said one thing, did another, thought of a third, taught the fourth ...
                      6. -2
                        16 July 2021 18: 37
                        Quote: your1970
                        And not about the REAL -

                        You didn't live then, so you don't need to whistle.
                        Quote: your1970
                        The whole country said one thing, did another, thought of a third, taught the fourth ...

                        That's how you did it, but the majority worked and knew that they were not doing it in vain. You are clearly not a Russian person, because you do not know what our ancestors bequeathed to us - "you are about to die, but this rye ..."
                        I think that you will never understand the essence of the soul of a Russian person, and therefore much in their actions is incomprehensible or despised by you.
                      7. 0
                        16 July 2021 18: 59
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You didn't live then

                        Apparently you did not live.
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I think that you will never understand the essence of the soul of a Russian person

                        Uh-huh. Again, empty slogans.
                      8. 0
                        17 July 2021 22: 40
                        Quote: ccsr
                        You didn't live then, so you don't need to whistle.
                        is you whistling (however, the word should be different - because tired of repeating the obvious).
                        Quote: your1970
                        orange for a holiday
                        -the aunt drove everything to me and my sister 70-eIn 80-e I drove myself from Moscow
                        Quote: your1970
                        cleaning lady / nanny / postman - 60 rubles salary
                        -the second aunt worked as a cleaner all her life. The salary figure is 100%. That is why in Soviet books and films - a cleaning lady could send anyone and anywhere with matyuga - there were no volunteers in her place. In 1988, I personally saw how the deputy minister and the delegation crept along the wall of the ministry in Moscow and how the cleaner of their wing in a boatswain's way feel ...
                        I worked as a postman myself - 60 rubles and fuck off
                        Quote: your1970
                        the unfortunate cocarboxylase (GDR) and LIV 52 (india) had to be DELIVERED through the professor of the medical institute,
                        - to my own grandmother in 1976 the Moscow aunt got it. There were no other options ..
                        Quote: your1970
                        where there was a lot of crime (there was !!)
                        -numbers given above
                        Quote: your1970
                        reforms of the 40s and 1961
                        -It is necessary to explain how the "people's" government did it?
                        Quote: your1970
                        where people fought in queues for the right to buy something ...
                        - went to check in 1985 in the queue personally 3 weeks for 2 cassette Vegu - who in the end never bought - did not get it !!!!!! ended stupidly ...
                        Quote: your1970
                        and nearby in the fields were the skulls of those who died in the war (I myself saw such a patch on Kursk - at least the tractor drivers made a border out of it and did not plow it) ...
                        - was three times in those parts in 1977,1980,1988... Nothing has changed ..
                        Quote: your1970
                        Where war veterans stood in line for a car for a couple of three years - the father wanted a cornfield, the grandfather of Moskvich - the orange one came 2102. If you don't want to, don't take it, and wait a couple more years ...
                        - 1976 year
                        Quote: your1970
                        Where these same veterans of the Second World War lived and died in barracks - under the slogans of the Holy War ...
                        - Cavalier of the Order of Glory lived in railway barracks, died in the early 2000s. The barracks were recognized as emergency in ..... 1972 !!!!
                        He lived all his life in a barrack - in an emergency under the USSR for 19 years ...... okay, the capitalist government spat on him, but his own "people's" so his-for what ???
                        Quote: your1970
                        Where collective farmers have thrown so much metal in the fields - that it has been collected for 20 years and there is still a lot of it
                        - I don't even want to discuss
                        Quote: ccsr
                        and the majority worked and knew that they were not doing it in vain.
                        -especially when gasoline was poured into the ravines with fuel trucks at the end of the quarter, or when "You are not a guest at work - take out at least a nail" ...

                        Quote: ccsr
                        You are clearly not a Russian person
                        -Yes, perhaps more than your demogagic template
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I think that you will never understand the essence of the soul of a Russian person, and therefore much in their actions is incomprehensible or despised by you.

                        but what about without slogans - empty and meaningless
  5. -2
    14 July 2021 13: 12
    Russia on the brink of a civil war. Let them continue to play geostrategy.
    1. 0
      14 July 2021 14: 02
      Whom and with whom? Who to join?
    2. -4
      14 July 2021 15: 19
      Your wishlist is, in principle, unrealizable
      Do not wait! hi
    3. -2
      15 July 2021 12: 37
      who against whom?
    4. -3
      16 July 2021 19: 06
      "Russia on the brink of a civil war" - Yes, in the parallel universe of "Red Borscht" Kostya Semin really wants to seem one of them.
    5. ada
      0
      18 July 2021 02: 02
      Well, you are right of course, they play - just not the correct term. In general, "documentation" is an element of planning, as a result of which such subjects of discussion appear, at this level, as a rule, textual and one cannot do without them. With their signature or approval by the relevant officials, they become guiding and accepted for execution.
      Well, the civil war never goes anywhere and lasts in fact until the complete destruction or disappearance of the opposing stratum of the population (government, any more or less noticeable forces, nation or people, peoples, like Carthage approximately). There is also such a feature of the GW as forcing them to serve in fact the enemy. or the complete suppression of the will to resist and the subsequent dispersal among the masses. There is virtually no definition of the term GW, but different states use their vision of the processes for their own benefit.
      Having some involvement in the "wars", I generally do not see any difference with other types of wars. In my opinion, all wars are of the nature of civil war and all cannot do without the participation of other states, the only difference is in scale. In fact, we have "red" and there are "white", well, there are all sorts of neutral types, who have joined, etc., and until some of the others are crushed, everything will be so and it will be impossible to protect ourselves from this somewhere else. Right now, the unfinished "whites" and their descendants who have joined ... with the help of the "zabugr" win and force the "reds" to "hunchback" on them in the hope of "owning everything themselves." Nuance - they are lower in the food chain of foreigners and they will be eaten, and for one thing and the rest. And the reason for this is the rejection of the elements of the Civil War by the Soviet leadership, and the forces have been knocked out by wars.
      I like the "reds" more to my liking, and by nature they are not good for the bourgeois - all the grandfathers and women fought for their country and built it in the hope of a peaceful future, they wanted equality and brotherhood, but I still had to shoot, but it is clear not from then on, the bastards got out.
      Yes, and ODON (they argued here) are departmental military units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, like other military formations of some departments in the USSR and in the Russian Federation, the RF Law "On conscription and military service" does not define their nature and generally about something else. And yes, they exist to fulfill the elements of the GW and believe me - for the "whites" they will be the same and, as it were, more terrible - those who do not agree to push more. In wartime, they carry out their tasks - departmental and, as all departmental ones are planned to be attracted to carry out defense tasks, mainly territorial - no one will remobilize them.
      Here were listed almost suppressed popular uprisings and all kinds of horror - and what had to be done? Knows? Does he know how? Will it be different for them? And there it was necessary to add the forces of the Ministry of Defense and other departments to the "punishers", otherwise the picture is not complete - the soldiers are probably considered cattle.
  6. +2
    14 July 2021 13: 14
    nor to the real enemies of Russia, who, even without this document, know everything (or almost everything) about Russia and its power component.

    And where did he get the idea that it was written for the "real enemies of Russia"? request
  7. +2
    14 July 2021 13: 18
    The post-Soviet period, created by the enemies of the communists, is some kind of Wonderland. It is wild to imagine that the Bolsheviks-communists and their supporters after the October Revolution for decades "sucked" - "why did the Russian Empire collapse", "and capitalism changed by itself to socialism, and we have nothing to do with it", "but how wrong territorially divided The Romanovs of the Russian Empire "," and how badly, ineffectively, the Romanovs worked and fought. "
    1. -4
      14 July 2021 13: 35
      Quote: tatra
      It's wild to imagine that the Bolsheviks-communists and their supporters after the October Revolution for decades "sucked" - "why did the Russian Empire collapse?"

      If they studied, maybe the country would not be profiled. The Chinese are not shy about examining the reasons for the collapse of the Union.
      1. +2
        14 July 2021 13: 43
        What is this nonsense? What is there to study? As the Bolsheviks and their supporters, in October 1917, and YOU, the enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists, in your anti-Soviet Perestroika, equally seized their country, equally imposed themselves on the power of the country and people, their System, economy, ideology.
        And YOU, as in the Civil War unleashed by you, seized parts of the territory of Soviet Russia, and created their own separate States on them, and YOU, in your Perestroika, divided the USSR into your separate States, against the will of the majority of the USSR voters in the referendum on the preservation of the USSR. And all this that you did, you YOURSELF admitted as your crimes against the country and the people, when you cowardly blamed the Bolshevik communists, including the "Lenin bomb", for this.
        1. +1
          14 July 2021 13: 45
          Really
          Quote: tatra
          What kind of nonsense?

          And about
          Quote: tatra
          What is there to study?

          Maybe it was worth studying the reasons why this became possible?
        2. +1
          14 July 2021 17: 17
          Quote: tatra
          As the Bolsheviks and their supporters, in October 1917, and YOU, the enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists, in your anti-Soviet Perestroika, equally seized their country, equally imposed themselves on the power of the country and people, their System, economy, ideology.

          That is, you have now, in principle, equated the Bolsheviks of 1917 and the Bolsheviks of 1991. A good line of thought. I advise you to develop it further.
      2. +3
        14 July 2021 13: 44
        RI has nothing to do with it. The Union collapsed right on the classics - from Marx and Lenin to Stalin and Trotsky. The founders studied badly - this is the main problem. But we were honestly warned ..
        1. +7
          14 July 2021 14: 11
          I warned you ... They didn't believe it!
          1. -3
            16 July 2021 19: 13
            The Central Committee of the CPSU was not just elected, but everyone's vaunted social elevators made it possible for any cattle cooks and combine operators to get to power - hello to Misha Gorbachev.
    2. +2
      14 July 2021 14: 03
      The post-Soviet period was created by the communists themselves. Cherished by them.
    3. -2
      14 July 2021 17: 13
      Quote: tatra
      It is wild to imagine that the Bolsheviks-communists and their supporters after the October Revolution for decades "sucked" - "why did the Russian Empire collapse?"

      Of course they didn’t suck. Why think about something, if the "comrade in the cap" has already explained everything for everyone))))
      Only now, "not thinking" led to "non-withdrawals" and, as a result, to the 90s, which were arranged by the very "partaigenosse" from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
    4. 0
      14 July 2021 17: 23
      Quote: tatra
      It is wild to imagine that the Bolshevik-Communists and their supporters after the October Revolution for decades "sucked" - "why did the Russian Empire collapse", "and capitalism itself changed to socialism, and we have nothing to do with it.

      It is wild to imagine that by 1940 the Bolsheviks had shot the entire "Lenin Guard" cleanly, to zero ... Simple and straightforward - in the back of the head ...
    5. +1
      14 July 2021 18: 50
      Quote: tatra
      Post-Soviet Period Created by the Enemies of the Communists

      All of them were communists and Komsomol members, and in considerable ranks.
  8. +3
    14 July 2021 14: 08
    The question of the collapse of the USSR requires a lot of time and many pages. Such an end is not guaranteed for any state where corruption is rampant. There were a lot of good things in the USSR, and the main thing was faith in tomorrow. There was faith in the government. That is the kind of faith that let our people down. When something heavy, even precious, falls, don't try to stop it. Now people are more and more often immersed in unreality. It's more convenient that way.
    1. -2
      16 July 2021 19: 29
      "There were many good things in the USSR, and the main thing was faith in tomorrow. There was faith in the government." This just became one of the nails in the lid of his coffin - there was faith in tomorrow, but the state for tomorrow, if suddenly he becomes black, did not save anything. There was faith in the government, it was covered with a copper basin literally in three years. "The conclusion is one that everyone who does not think about tomorrow and get into it is at great risk remains at a broken trough circumstances can twist well, and in the USSR they decided to put the hell on it initially." Now people are increasingly immersed in unreality "- How's that? Now, at least everyone thinks about tomorrow, someone is trying to accumulate funds and no longer fully trust the authorities and do not rely on the authorities.
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    14 July 2021 15: 21
    The opinion of this 3,14 ... is of course very important.