Kazakhstan offered the Russian Ministry of Defense a self-propelled bottom mine "Cascade"

The Alma-Ata Kirov Machine-Building Plant, which presented its products at the international military-technical salon MVTS-2021, offered the Russian military the Kaskad self-propelled bottom mine.

According to the press release I read Mil.Press FlotProm, the new bottom mine "Cascade" is made on a modular basis and equipped with a digital control system. The complex consists of the mine itself and the carrier torpedo and can be launched from a surface or underwater carrier with a 533 mm torpedo tube.

As a representative of a Kazakh enterprise explained, the mine's range is 35 km, it is installed at depths from 4 to 100 meters, the mass of explosives in TNT equivalent is 480 kg. The trajectory of placing a mine is entered into the device's memory, it is launched and at the designated point falls on the ground, switching to the mode of a "normal" mine.

In addition to the Kaskad self-propelled mine, Almaty residents offered the Russian Ministry of Defense a package of modernization of the 53-65K torpedoes adopted by the USSR Navy in the late 60s of the last century and still in service with the Russian fleet... What exactly the representatives of the Kirov Machine-Building Plant are proposing is not reported, but the 533-mm Soviet anti-ship steam-gas peroxide-hydrogen torpedo has already been modernized several times, the last modernization took place in 2011.

Comments

[CommanderDIVA]

Well, why not consider this option? The Americans and other foreign partners do not hesitate to equip themselves with Israeli, British, Italian and other models of weapons, we need to take the best, but also not to get involved with Ukraine.

[Real Pilot]

Destroyers of all sorts of strangers float, and then by chance exercises with self-propelled mines are taking place ...
So the British wrote that the teachings were nearby, but they were not scared!

But in that case, what would they sing? ..

[Hammer]

Each weapon has its own tactical niche. I'm not sure that our admirals know what they need it for. Secondly, the main problem is that the plant is not Russian, and given the extremely negative experience of cooperation with defense enterprises of the Square, one does not want to step on the same rake. Considering that Astana is slowly, slowly, but steadily moving into the orbit of Washington's influence. But this is my IMHO.

[nobody75]

The Alma-Ata Kirov Machine-Building Plant, which presented its products at the international military-technical salon MVTS-2021, offered the Russian military the Kaskad self-propelled bottom mine.

It should be used in Crimea!
Sincerely

[Cat]

It should be used in Crimea!

There are great depths. To the south-west of Cape Chersonesos, a depth of about 150 m is at once. But in Azov, it is just right

[nobody75]

Need a deep sea version of a pop-up mine!
Sincerely

[Cat]

As you can imagine, this is not a defensive weapon, but a means to mine something without entering the detection / engagement zone. For example, sneak up on soft paws on someone else's naval base and place gifts on the fairways from a distance of 35 km.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, but where to get a long-range electric torpedo, which is "on soft paws." Timokhin and Klimov forbade us such torpedoes!
Sincerely

[Eug]

Once the Kharkiv NPO Carbonat produced a powder that, in contact with sea water, generates electricity ...

[xorek]

Quote: Eug

Once the Kharkiv NPO Carbonat produced a powder that, in contact with sea water, generates electricity ...

Forget about it ! They are now even forbidden to produce their lard and are forced to buy Polish.

[Eug]

Alas, we had to forget about it much earlier - in 1995, the pilot plant that produced this powder was no longer working, in the warehouse, according to the director, there were about a ton. I did not recognize the details of the type of expiration date and price, because I was interested in the equipment and areas for packing washing powder ...

[xorek]

Quote: Eug

Alas, we had to forget about it much earlier - in 1995, the pilot plant that produced this powder was no longer working, in the warehouse, according to the director, there were about a ton. I did not recognize the details of the type of expiration date and price, because I was interested in the equipment and areas for packing washing powder ...

Do not add salt to the wound Evgeniy ..Whatever was developed in the USSR, science and education were under the control of the state and the staff decided everything ...
The very latest developments in weapons, this is all the scientific = technical foundation of the Soviet Union.

[Eug]

I don’t even argue. For the topic of my diploma in 87 was to find out the dimensions of the possible landing area of ​​a solid body at various angles of throw (inclination of the trajectory) and some minimal control of the angles of attack and roll (already in the atmosphere), and the term Meteorite was heard in 1989 ... but this is not the topic ...

[V1er]

Purchase these mines. Mine the water border and warn the "partners" that we will not give up the mine maps, if you want, go into our waters at your own peril and risk) Add that mines are only attacked by foreign warships)

[V1er]

How many minuses) I see, there are a lot of Britons sitting here, afraid that they will drown their own)

[Cat]

there are many British

These are not the British, these are their Barrymore lackeys

[xorek]

Quote: Gato

there are many British

These are not the British, these are their Barrymore lackeys

And other liberda of all stripes ..

[Alex777]

I see there are a lot of British people sitting here, they are afraid that they will drown theirs)

Who often goes where you want to place mines?
British or our ships? Ours are 100500 times more likely.
Why didn’t such a simple question occur to you?

[V1er]

Who often goes where you want to place mines?
British or our ships? Ours are 100500 times more likely.
Why didn’t such a simple question occur to you?

Our mines do not attack ours. I suggested placing just such mines, with a systemic friend or foe. Who thought what, I do not know. Here is a quote from my text: mines attack only foreign warships)

[Nikolaevich I]

The Americans have a self-transporting mine-torpedo "Hammer" (about the name ...: something like that!) ... I don’t remember now ... whether the "hammer" was adopted and whether they produced at least some stake -Who ... or developed, but decided to hold on for now ... it's about production!

[Undecim]

There is no such mine-torpedo "Hammer". This is a torpedo in some kind of toy.
Americans classify the Mark 60 CAPTOR as torpedo mine.

There is a Hammerhead Mine program. But this is a Mobile mine development like MK 67 Submarine Launched Mobile Mine.

Only instead of the Mk 37 torpedo, the Mk-54 torpedo is being considered.

[Nikolaevich I]

By the name "Hammer torpedo mine" I meant the Hammerhead self-transporting mine! Well I also "hinted" that the name is somehow connected with "hammer" (hammer ... hammer), but I don't remember exactly! I wrote it from memory ... because. did not attach much importance to the "Kazakh message" ... in the calculation, if anyone is interested, he will figure it out for himself ... Again from memory ... having reached the "positioning point", Hammerhead switches to the "mine-torpedo" mode! I remember that she was sometimes called the "Advanced Captor"!
So I had to finally wake up and get into the archive ...:((( According to the American web resource USNI News, the US Navy has issued requirements for the creation of a promising sea anti-submarine Hammerhead torpedo bombswhich should become implementation of the famous Mk 60 CAPTOR torpedo mine at a new technical level (decommissioned in 2001) The Hammerhead system is a self-transporting anchor anti-submarine mine that is equipped with a 324-mm anti-submarine torpedo to destroy submarines (the Mk 60 CAPTOR was not self-transporting and was equipped with a 324-mm torpedo of the Mk 46 series). In addition to the capsule with the 324-mm Mk 54 torpedo, the Hammerhead mine must have modules: anchor, propulsion ...))) As you can see, Hammerhead is repeatedly referred to in the article as a "torpedo mine" (!) ... only self-transporting! And this is despite the "original" fragments!

So what kind of nagging about me? The man quietly and peacefully, half asleep, drew a short comment ... and then "bam" him!
By the way, in the USSR there was an analogue of Captor ... PMT-1

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

The Hammerhead system is a self-transporting anchor anti-submarine mine that is equipped with a 324-mm anti-submarine torpedo to destroy submarines (the Mk 60 CAPTOR was not self-transporting and was equipped with a 324-mm torpedo of the Mk 46 series). In addition to the capsule with the 324-mm torpedo Mk 54, the Hammerhead mine must have modules: anchor, propulsion .....)))

The problem is that in the English-language diagram there is no motor module - only the "energy" module, immediately under which there is the "anchor" one.

Hammerhead consists of several modules. The mooring module keeps it tethered to the sea bed; the energy module provides power, and the sensing module is a sonar device to detect nearby vessels.

Hammerhead consists of several modules. With the help of an anchor module, it is held on the seabed; The power module provides power, while the sensor module is a sonar for locating nearby ships.
Moreover, the press reported that the installation of promising mines will be carried out by uninhabited submarines.

Didn't the citizens confuse the self-transporting mine with the torpedo mine?

[Nikolaevich I]

Well ... I'll have to dig a lump! Basically, the Internet - "materyalchik" talks about a self-transported mine ... a torpedo mine ... I also think that in the magazine "Foreign Military Review" I once read about this "kind" ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

It also seems to me that I once read in this "kind" in the journal "Foreign Military Review" ...

I remember this article in the West Military District. There they clearly distinguished mines with their own engine, capable of independently, without a carrier, along a predetermined trajectory to reach the installation point (SLMM), and anchor mines without an engine, but with a homing torpedo warhead (Captor).
http://commi.narod.ru/txt/1981/0101.htm

[Nikolaevich I]

Whatever it was, this does not "cancel" the term "torpedo mine"! It will simply be possible to distinguish between "dissimilar" torpedo-mines ... 1. "1st kind" mine-torpedo transported to the installation point, for example, by a submarine (or by ship, aircraft ...) 2. Self-transported torpedo-mine to the installation point " 2nd kind "(more suitable for submarines ...)" Self-transported "(" mobile ") mine has a more extended concept ... That is, it can represent not only a" torpedo mine ", but also a bottom non-contact mine, for example, "Kazakh" type ...

[Knell wardenheart]

The option is suitable, but for a mine, this product will just be gold. And an expensive mine is always a bad mine, because these products must be very massive in order to have a noticeable effect in the event of hostilities. Of course, such a device could come in handy in the same Baltic, but the price will most likely ruin the interest in this product.

[Note]

I can add that a small number of this mine has already been acquired by one Middle Eastern country and even conducted small tests with a reduced charge. Successful.

[Vladimir61]

With such characteristics, the mine is more intended for sabotage than for defense ...

[Note]

Ideal for both.

[Brylevsky]

but the 533-mm Soviet anti-ship steam-gas peroxide-hydrogen torpedo has already been upgraded several times, the last upgrade took place in 2011.

Torpedo 53-65K is not hydrogen peroxide, this is a mistake of the author of the article. It is oxygen. Oxygen is used in it as an oxidizing agent, and kerosene serves as a fuel. So that the combustion chamber does not melt from a too evil flame, outboard water is injected into it, and a vapor-gas mixture is formed, which saves the combustion chamber from burning out. Then the steam-gas mixture enters the turbine blades. So I was taught 25 years ago, and even then this torpedo was considered obsolete ... Because the homing system for vertical tracking of the wake trail worked normally only at a ship speed - targets more than 8 knots, - at a lower speed, an effective wake wake is not formed and a torpedo it is prescribed to use it as erect. Even in the case of a successful capture of the wake jet, the torpedo will go to the target not along the chase curve, but in zigzags, using the wake jet as the center line. It is far from the fact that while moving along such a "sinusoid" the torpedo will meet the target, and the reaction radius of its proximity fuse is only 10 meters.

[xorek]

In addition to the Kaskad self-propelled mine, Almaty residents offered the Russian Ministry of Defense a package of modernization of 53-65K torpedoes,

Well, you give a pancake Kazakhs ... Do you dream of the sea? Surprised honestly ..

[ramzay21]

In fact, in Soviet times, almost all torpedoes were produced at this plant, the Kursk nuclear submarine had Alma-Ata torpedoes. They were tested on the only non-freezing inland water body, on Issyk-Kul, where, by the way, there is still a Russian Navy base.

[cat Rusich]

security-sensitive [/B]
Such [b] torpedo mines needs to be done with the range 350 km, so that the submarine does not come close to the given mining area.