Ukraine "transplants" the missile system "Neptune" from the domestic "KrAZ" to the Czech "Tatra"

Ukraine is "transferring" a coastal mobile missile system with anti-ship missiles RK-360MTS "Neptune" from the domestic "KrAZ" chassis to the Czech "Tatra". This was stated by the representative of the company SKTB Corporation "UkrInnMash".

The naval forces of Ukraine will receive the first division of the mobile complex with the PKR RK-360MTs "Neptune" already on the Czech chassis. According to Defense Express, referring to the words of the same representative of the company, the assembly of the first division is already underway, the first samples should be shown at the "grand" military parade in honor of the 30th anniversary of Ukraine's independence.

Now we are producing a series, the "Neptune" division. These are six vehicles of each type - transport vehicles, transport loaders and six launchers. I think the first samples will be presented at the parade.

- quotes the publication of the words of the director of the company Maxim Myatenko.

At the end of May this year, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine recognized the tests of prototypes of the coastal mobile missile system with the RK-360MTs "Neptune" anti-ship missiles on the KrAZ chassis as unsatisfactory, which showed negative results and low reliability. Based on the test results, it was proposed to replace the KrAZ chassis with a chassis from another manufacturer. By a joint decision of the military department and the Luch design bureau, which developed the Neptune, the Czech Tatra was chosen as the chassis for the complex, which came up with all the necessary parameters.

The first full-time complex of the Ukrainian Navy should be received in 2022. Judging by the statements of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, it will already be on the Tatra chassis.

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[Uncle lee]

from the domestic "KrAZ" to the Czech "Tatra"

Peremog or zrada?

[Orange bigg]

As always, peremoga, traditionally turning into zeal. This is what the Ukrainian Chmut writes.

... Kiev, December 22. The Ukrainian missile system "Neptune", which Kiev boasted so much, is devoid of prospects, military expert Taras Chmut said on the air of the Skrypin Internet channel.


The KrAZ company, which produced tractors for the Neptune complex, ceased to exist. It can be replaced by the Czech "Tata", but it will take a lot of time.

“Next year there will be no“ Neptune ”- KrAZ has closed, we need a new chassis, there will be“ Tata ”. This means that you need to redo the research battery, go through a full test cycle. Plus, the military themselves say that the complex is "raw", "Chmut said.

The complex was adopted, but it was a populist decision and it is not yet clear what to do with it further, the expert added.

It is likely that funds will be allocated to Neptune by the end of the year, and work will begin on a new version of the complex, which will last for several years. It is not known whether the Neptune complex will be relevant by that time.

https://riafan.ru/1357854-na-ukraine-rasskazali-o-problemah-s-ugrozhavshimi-krymskomu-mostu-raketami-neptun

[Avior]

Someone sculpted the text so quickly that he mixed the Indian Tatu with the Czech Tatra

[tihonmarine]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Peremog or zrada?

There even go to the toilet "peremoga", but in life, there was the most developed republic in Europe, now it sucks. Thanks for the minus.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Uncle Lee

from the domestic "KrAZ" to the Czech "Tatra"

Peremog or zrada?

How much can you talk about the same thing? This is at least the third time this "news" is broadcast on VO!

[Orange bigg]

Repetition is the mother of learning. Let's fix the topic. Another scam. In August, at a parade in Kiev, they will not ride the "killer of the Crimean bridge", but a model of a weapon that Ukraine does not have and will not soon have.

. Practically everything that is being done with great pomp today by official Kiev in Ukraine should be viewed exclusively through the prism of the upcoming 30th anniversary of the "independence" of this unfortunate country in August. During the anniversary, the Ukrainian authorities, led by Volodymyr Zelensky, clearly intend, at any cost, even with obvious chimeras of fictional "achievements", to reverse the growing pessimism of the society that elected them regarding the prospects of the poorest, but most vicious "power" in Europe.

.This is the only way to consider the news about the solemn transfer to the Naval Forces of Ukraine on March 15, 2021, as it were, of the first division of the anti-ship missile system RK-360 MC "Neptune".


Why does the author insist on the offensive for the Ukrainian military expression "like a division", although he has even been assigned a number - the 65th separate missile - as part of the Ukrainian Navy? Let's take a close look at what is recognized even in Kiev.

According to the state approved by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, each such division should have six USPU-360 launchers with 24 R-360 anti-ship missiles on them. It was planned to keep four more P-360s for conducting a long sea battle next to the starting position - four on each of the six TZM-360 transport-loading vehicles and on the six TM-360 transport vehicles. In general - quite impressive 72 anti-ship cruise missiles R-360.

And what was actually presented to the 65th separate missile division of the Naval Forces of Ukraine to the thunder of the orchestra? Even the clearly pro-government Ukrainian Military Portal writes about it somehow bashfully: “The Ukrainian Navy received elements of the Neptune missile system.

That is, is it clear? In fact, there is no newest full-fledged divisional kit of the Neptune missile system in Ukraine yet. Only his skinny "elements". Their full list will not take up much space: the SKP-360 command post (one piece), the USPU-360 self-propelled launcher (one piece), the TZM-360 transport and loading vehicle (one piece) and the TM-360 transport vehicle (also in the only copy). But the sweetest "cherry" on the Kiev military propaganda cake - the 65th division did not have until Monday, and still does not have a single missile that could sink at least something other than the reputation of its own superiors. Only “R-360 models”.

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/292979/

A curtain.

[sabakina]

Quote: Uncle Lee

from the domestic "KrAZ" to the Czech "Tatra"

Peremog or zrada?

Volodya, there are many options! At least three.

[tihonmarine]

The first full-time complex of the Ukrainian Navy should be received in 2022. Judging by the statements of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, it will already be on the Tatra chassis.

All his own, but all someone else's.

[Orange bigg]

The word experienced is alarming. Earlier, Taran stated that it was precisely the mock-ups of the Neptune missiles that were adopted, for which he was criticized by the same expert Chmut. I won’t be at all surprised if this is the case with their eternal scams. Supposedly they have anti-ship missiles, so they are dangerous and do not approach them. The prototype RK-360MTS "Neptune" with the mass-dimensional models of the RK-360GM rocket was transferred to the Naval Forces of Ukraine.

A prototype of the Ukrainian coastal mobile missile system with anti-ship missiles RK-360MTS "Neptune" was transferred to the 15th missile division of the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on March 65. The Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Taran congratulated on the previously announced program. According to him, these complexes were manufactured under a state contract between the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the State Enterprise "State Kiev Design Bureau" Luch "and will significantly enhance the capabilities of the Armed Forces in the Azov-Black Sea region. The corresponding unit has already been formed in the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://diana--mihailova-livejournal-com.turbopages.org/diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/s/6239129.html

[Equalized]

It's simple. EXPERIMENTAL VEHICLES based on "Kraz" used for firing during missile testing were transferred to the Naval Forces of Ukraine as vehicles for training the crews of these complexes.

The CHASSIS is changing, not the interior of the complex. Accordingly, on the "Krazov" Neptunes, you can train crews

[Orange bigg]

Something is clearly not clean there.

The new missile systems "Alder" and "Neptun", which Ukraine is so proud of, although officially adopted for service, have not even begun work on their deliveries to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

This was stated at a press conference in Kiev by the head of the NGO "Security and Cooperation in Ukraine" Semyon Kabakaev

.But it turns out a very comical situation with the "Neptune" complex, which alone, like a model, was transferred to the balance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, without missiles. It stands like a table - that's all, no one can do anything with it, ”he said.

Moreover, according to Semyon Kabakayev, the number of missiles was greatly reduced to the Neptune complex, and, despite this, its deliveries to the army did not even begin. The situation is similar with the Alder complex.

“Plus money was allocated for the purchase, but the number of missiles that should be purchased for this complex was reduced. In the past, when the strategy was adopted, 74 missiles were planned for each complex. Last year, they received 24 missiles. Because they decided to install the Tatra instead of a complete set based on MAZ or KrAZ. And so they cut them by fifty missiles.

That is, in addition to the fact that they have not given missiles now, their number has also been reduced. Plus, already this year, we have not transferred a single hryvnia, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have either the Alder complex or the Neptune complex. And, moreover, it is still necessary to conduct tests, teach people, and this is six months or a year. And only in a year we will have a working complex - but this work has not yet begun.

https://asd.news/news/na-ukraine-postavili-na-vooruzhenie-makety-raketnykh-kompleksov-olkha-i-neptun/

[Equalized]

Target detection radar "Mineral-U" for the "Neptune" battalion. Already on the Tatra chassis.

[APASUS]

... By a joint decision of the military department and the Luch design bureau, which developed the Neptune, the Czech Tatra was chosen as the chassis for the complex, which came up with all the necessary parameters.

A very strange decision. I thought that the American Oshkosh MTT 6x6 is suitable in all respects

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I think that the Tatra is cheaper and easier to operate, that's why we chose it as a chassis.

Ukrainian nationalists finished off KrAZ with their policy, a contract for several dozen chassis for "Neptune" would not have saved it anyway, but it would have brought problems to the military, so they chose a proven chassis from a trusted manufacturer at an affordable price.

One way or another, but Ukraine received a coastal anti-ship missile system.

Russia should pay attention to the ability of the ship's air defense to repel a massive strike by Neptune-type missiles.

And where we have problems they need to be solved.

[APASUS]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I think that the Tatra is cheaper and easier to operate, that's why we chose it as a chassis.

When was this a fundamental factor? For the Ukrainian leadership - never. Remember at least the story of fuel assemblies for nuclear power plants

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

They were not going to put Neptune on Kamaz.

And the fact that the United States to dissuade other countries from buying energy resources, weapons and everything else in Russia is not news for a long time.

[Avior]

KrAZ was focused on export, not domestic consumption
The fact that he has problems is purely the problems of his private owner

[APASUS]

Quote: Avior

KrAZ was focused on export, not domestic consumption
The fact that he has problems is purely the problems of his private owner

An enterprise, after a certain level of development, becomes a headache for the state as well. These are taxes, employment of the population, infrastructure support, etc.

[rocket757]

Ukraine "transplants" the missile system "Neptune" from the domestic "KrAZ" to the Czech "Tatra"

Yes, yes, that will make him better ... two times, maybe three?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It won't get better, but the Tatra chassis will last longer than the similar from KrZA and by itself it is more reliable and without problems with spare parts.

KrAZ will soon be dismantled for scrap metal, where to get spare parts? Nowhere. So we decided to bet on the Tatra.

[rocket757]

Well, yes, this is NORMAL ... to destroy your own completely, to help someone else.
We swam, we know ... and not quite got rid of this.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Nothing will help KrAZ. Without Russian cheap and completely reliable engines, it was doomed.

Neither European nor Chinese engines can compete with other manufacturers even in Ukraine.

And the state order for 50-100 chassis will not give him anything.

In order for a truck manufacturing plant to work at a profit, it is necessary to make and sell them in tens of thousands of units, and not in batches of several hundred per year.

To hell with them and their Neptune, let them do what they want, but Russia needs to have ships capable of destroying such missiles, even with their massive use.

[rocket757]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Russia needs to have ships capable of destroying such missiles even with their massive use.

Yes, no question, if anything, walk with a frequent comb on ... wherever it, theoretically, appears, on starting positions, warehouses and all businesses.
At the expense of the plant ... not right yesterday, the Kukuevskys, began to successfully destroy their industry ... now we are seeing the result of their "work".

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

wherever it, theoretically, appears, in starting positions, warehouses and all businesses.

In words, everything is simple, but in reality, something regularly arrives at our base in Khmeimim, and several thousand missiles were fired at the Jews.

And somehow they somehow do not have time to prevent all this until the moment of launch.

So, we need to have powerful multilevel air defense on our ships in order to destroy such missiles with a probability very close to 100%.

Otherwise, Pearl Harbor will be arranged for us in Sevastopol.

But after repelling the rocket attack, there will already be data from the launch bridges and free your hands to smash all this to pieces.

[rocket757]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

and several thousand missiles were fired at the Jews.

They answer ... how effective it is is difficult to judge, BUT, do you want to compare the fanatical "warriors of Allah" with that rascal who is galloping at our side ??? This is a very bold assumption, but I have no beats in any way.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

In words, everything is simple, but in reality, something regularly arrives at our base in Khmeimim,

Flies, but does not reach ... there is a difference.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Everything is simple in words, but in reality

Not just, but, then the pike in the pond, the Schaub crucian did not doze ... when necessary, everything will fly and fly to the right place.

[knn54]

The MAIN reason for this decision is that KrAZ is going through bankruptcy proceedings, and its future is currently not yet certain.
And the four-axle all-wheel drive chassis created at the enterprise six years ago has not been brought to mind.

[Ruslan Sulima]

And who is to blame for this? Russia again? Damn, if only they were not disgraced by statements about large-scale deliveries to the states ...

[Ruslan Sulima]

Krazy to America, Tatras to Ukraine ...
There is no rest for the hammered ...
Lord, why are such punishments for the diggers of the seas? Well, they are ugly, but this is not a reason to punish them like that ...

[markant1970]

Chassis from "Tatra", why are they bad?
On Paris-Dakkar in the cargo class Tatra constantly took prizes, competed for the championship with Kamaz

[Fitter65]

Ukraine "transplants" a coastal mobile missile system with anti-ship missiles RK-360MTS "Neptune" from the domestic "KrAZ" chassis to the Czech "Tatra"

So what to do, there are so many KrAZ trucks, we urgently need to deliver to the USA. and where you will find so many of them at once ... but make the owners happy, call, friends, whatever you can do. KrAZ in the USA, Tatra in Ukraine ...

[Tagan]

It, like, would have moved from Zaporozhets to Maybach without any problems, just dumb ass?

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Tagan

It, like, would have moved from Zaporozhets to Maybach without any problems, just dumb ass?

Why Maybach ...
You can make from Zaporozhets "limousine"

[iouris]

What other "domestic KrAZ"? KrAZ is "domestic" for the Soviet people. The "ukrov" no longer have a fatherland.

[Scorpion85]

Look, local "military analysts" in the comments turn this news into "zrada", the very ones who argued why "Neptuns" will not exist at all, and there is already a radar station "Mineraul-U" on the Tatra chassis, which is much more effective than the Russian " Mineral-M "in terms of detection range, but oh well, they will pretend not to notice. For them, it is not the presence of the weapon itself that is important here, but the chassis on which it stands. Indeed, in their opinion, there must be some kind of "dinosaur" with wheels under the launchers for the rocket to hit the target. And these "analysts" know that the radars that are used in the RF Armed Forces, namely "Mineral", "Monolit" and "Mineral-ME", were developed by the Ukrainian research institute of radar systems "Kvant-Radiolokatsiya" back in the days of the USSR?

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Ukrainian radars, by the way, are highly quoted abroad. Even high-tech Israel bought the "Kolchuga", and there is already a much more advanced version of it with a detection range of 700 km. Yes, and the new reconnaissance ship of the Ukrainian Navy, which only the lazy one did not laugh at at the VO (which was converted from a fishing seiner), carries the newest passive reconnaissance station "Melchior" - over-the-horizon detection of sea and air targets (tracking up to 200 simultaneously) simultaneously in all ranges without reconfiguring frequencies (!!!).
And 3D-radars are doing, and counter-battery radars, in general, no zeal is observed at all.

[Gunther]

Quote: Uncle Lee

from the domestic "KrAZ" to the Czech "Tatra"

Peremog or zrada?

tse "European integration" - Europian Ukraine needs a supplier of cheap labor, industry is not needed, in the best case - agriculture.
and, of course, as an enemy of Russia.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Ukraine itself is already, it's time to transplant from Ukraine to Eurosimbabwe.