"Time to stop chasing Su fighters": Indonesian Defense Minister called for "advanced technology"

Indonesia intends to invest heavily in the modernization of its troops in the coming years. For this item of expenditure, the Ministry of Development Planning has been allocated $ 20,7 billion, which is to be spent in 2020-2024.

The head of the department, Suharso Monoarfa, on the pages of the Detik publication, indicated on what these funds will be mainly spent. According to him, there are 514 counties and cities in Indonesia. The 300 battalions at the disposal of the armed forces are insufficient to cover them.

When deploying new units, Suharso urged the Ministry of Defense to equip them with "military equipment with advanced technology", despite the fact that the rearmament process may take many years. As an example of inadequate procurement practice, he cited the acquisition of the Su family fighters, as they are constantly evolving.

Enough to repeat the mistake associated with the purchase of the Su-27. Before deliveries ended, the next generation of the Su-30 had already appeared. Then we wanted to buy the Su-30, but the Su-35 was born. We started talking about buying the Su-35, the Su-57 appeared, and so on. So it's time to stop chasing Su fighters, we can't afford it, we shouldn't do that.

- said the Indonesian minister, calling for the transition to ready-made "advanced platforms and technologies."

Comments

[Polite Moose]

Enough to repeat the mistake associated with the purchase of the Su-27. Before deliveries ended, the next generation of the Su-30 had already appeared. Then we wanted to buy the Su-30, but the Su-35 was born. We started talking about buying the Su-35, the Su-57 appeared, and so on.

It is necessary to stir the rolls faster.

[Bat]

Along the way, he offered his cookies to the USA and Indonesians. And who else did not tell this minister that, having Sushki, you have a clear sky? Obviously a pro-Western minister. The fact that the West does not know how to honestly compete is not news.

[Tatyana]

The Indonesian minister, calling for the transition to ready-made "advanced platforms and technologies", said

Enough to repeat the mistake associated with the purchase of the Su-27. Before deliveries ended, the next generation of the Su-30 had already appeared. Then we wanted to buy the Su-30, but the Su-35 was born. We started talking about buying the Su-35, the Su-57 appeared, and so on. So it's time to stop chasing Su fighters, we can't afford it, we shouldn't do that.

His point of view is eccentric! This is his pure TORGASH demagoguery when buying SU from Russia - it's like urging Indonesia to write against the wind!

What a fool in the whole world would sell the NEWEST TECHNOLOGIES to Indonesia ?! I do not know such.

[Cheshire]

Quote: Tatiana

His point of view is eccentric! This is his pure TORGASH demagoguery when buying SU from Russia - it's like urging Indonesia to write against the wind!

There is also a resentment that the level of analytics in Indonesia is not higher than that of a commercial, and has not grown during the purchase of our equipment. They still do not understand what to do, what strategy should be in the purchase of weapons.
UAE or KSA level (.

[For example]

Quote: Polite Elk

It is necessary to stir the rolls faster.

Are not Estonians ruling there, surely?

The story of long thinking told by the Indonesian minister betrays Estonian genes in him.

While buying the Su-27, the Su-30 appeared.
While thinking about buying a Su-35, the Su-57 appeared.

Brake.

[For example]

Quote: Tatiana

What a fool in the whole world would sell the NEWEST TECHNOLOGIES to Indonesia ?! I do not know such.

Come on.

He probably has the latest iPhone.

And the fighter wants the last batch. And always with new software.
Weifai, bluetooth and unlimited.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: For example

The story of long thinking told by the Indonesian minister betrays Estonian genes in him.

Suharson Monoarfanen.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tatiana

His point of view is eccentric! This is his pure TORGASH demagoguery when buying SU from Russia - it's like urging Indonesia to write against the wind!

What a fool in the whole world would sell the NEWEST TECHNOLOGIES to Indonesia ?! I do not know such.

French people.

[Alex777]

What a fool in the whole world would sell the NEWEST TECHNOLOGIES to Indonesia ?! I do not know such.

Tatyana!
The French have nothing better than Raphale. They also sell them.
The states have just started buying their own F-15EX (200 units).
They are sold to Indonesia.
You are better off using facts, not emotions.

[Tatyana]

Indonesia wants to get not so much the aircraft as the technology itself. And these are two different things.
With the technology, Indonesia can produce the same aircraft itself.
This is what I mean.
And the price of the issue also matters.

[Alex777]

Indonesia wants to get not so much the aircraft as the technology itself.

First, you wrote about the sale.
Now fantasizing about technology?
Indonesia is not India. Never.
Refer to facts, not emotions.
In the face of the threat of US sanctions pressure, Indonesia abandons our weapons and buys the best that is on the market. Rafale and F-15EX.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Alex777

First, you wrote about the sale.
Now fantasizing about technology?

You inattentively read to the end my comment from 10:45 min.
I wrote specifically there:

Quote: Tatiana

What a fool in the whole world would sell the NEWEST TECHNOLOGIES to Indonesia ?! I do not know such.

Indonesia is bargaining with Russia, trying to drop even lower prices for our planes, which are already low! It is obvious!

And Aaron Zaavi took my semantic message in a completely different direction, when he pointed at the French without specifying anything and this confused you.

[Alex777]

Indonesia is bargaining with Russia, trying to drop even lower prices for our planes, which are already low! It is obvious!

With all due respect.
States have threatened to use CAATSA.
Indonesia is not traded.
They just refused to buy and chose a different weapon ... French and American.
And they talked with us about 11 Su-35s, and in the West they buy 36 Rafals and 8 F-15EX.
Is there a difference - 11 and 44?
Taking into account the fact that the Indonesians now have 15 Su-27 and Su-30MK2, and they refused to purchase at first 15, and then 11 Su-35 (there should have been 30-26 fighters), the acquisition of 44 aircraft at once looks like a complete replacement of the fleet.
However, wait and see how it all ends.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Alex777

States have threatened to use CAATSA.
Indonesia is not traded.
They just refused to buy and chose a different weapon ... French and American.
And they talked with us about 11 Su-35s, and in the West they buy 36 Rafals and 8 F-15EX.
Is there a difference - 11 and 44?
Taking into account the fact that the Indonesians now have 15 Su-27 and Su-30MK2, and they refused to purchase at first 15, and then 11 Su-35 (there should have been 30-26 fighters), the acquisition of 44 aircraft at once looks like a complete replacement of the fleet.
However, wait and see how it all ends.

I think that it is you who - in this situation, the situation in Indonesia with increasing pressure on the government from the United States - they understood the words of the Indonesian minister calling for the transition to ready-made "advanced platforms and technologies", exactly RIGHT!

Quote from the article.

Enough to repeat the mistake associated with the purchase of the Su-27. Before deliveries ended, the next generation of the Su-30 had already appeared. Then we wanted to buy the Su-30, but the Su-35 was born. We started talking about buying the Su-35, the Su-57 appeared, and so on. So it's time to stop chasing Su fighters, we can't afford it, we shouldn't do that.

- said the Indonesian minister, calling for the transition to ready-made "advanced platforms and technologies."

[Alex777]

I think that it is you who - in this situation, the situation in Indonesia with increasing pressure on the government from the United States - they understood the words of the Indonesian minister calling for the transition to ready-made "advanced platforms and technologies", exactly RIGHT!

Thanks for your kind words.

[TermNachTer]

I don’t know about the American one, but the French could well become in the throat))) the French are famous "scammers" - Argentos "naparili". Data on their air defense systems were transferred to mattress mats, as a result half of the Iraqi air defense systems "lay down". So, buying weapons from them is Russian roulette, it may not be taken))))

[NIKN]

Quote: Polite Moose

Enough to repeat the mistake associated with the purchase of the Su-27. Before deliveries ended, the next generation of the Su-30 had already appeared. Then we wanted to buy the Su-30, but the Su-35 was born. We started talking about buying the Su-35, the Su-57 appeared, and so on.

It is necessary to stir the rolls faster.

And let him throw out the calendar, otherwise it is new every year, now it is already 2022 soon. and yet they are not used to it

[Dikson]

Well .. in one part of Indonesia, for example, on the island of Bali, it is now .. 1942 ..))

[Klingon]

By "advanced technology", I believe it means the F-16 or the Rafale and the poorly concealed sanctions fear

[Revolver]

Quote: Klingon

By "advanced technology" I so believe means the F-16 or

I wonder how many blocks have changed in the F-16 while the SU was developing from 27 to 35?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Klingon

By "advanced technology" I so believe means the F-16 or

I wonder how many blocks have changed in the F-16 while the SU was developing from 27 to 35?

F-12 had 16 full-scale "modifications" - "blocks".

Well, in fact.
if you look at the F-18, for example, then all of its upgrades fully fit into our line of "Su-27 with variations, Su-30 with variations, Su-33, Su-35".
Although the model name remains F-18.

[knn54]

No matter how he fell for the Turkish drones.

[IL-18]

Same

Quote: Polite Elk

You need to move the rolls faster

refers to buyers ... perhaps that only
Well, let them drive Indonesia into the costs of the F-15, suddenly, they will keep up

[Polite Moose]

Quote: IL-18

applies to buyers ...

So this applies to them in the first place. And then, while the groom is thinking about the proposal, the bride will grow old.

[GREG68]

Take the 6th generation at once ... from someone. Indeed, why waste time on trifles ...

[Prjanik]

While they will take it, the 7th will appear, so they fly by anyway

[poquello]

Among the major acquisitions that need funding are the purchases of 24 F-16V "Vipe" fighters manufactured by the American corporation Lockheed Martin.

https://военное.рф/2020/%D0%90%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F37/
rzhach, Suharsa wanted to launder money

[Wedmak]

calling for the transition to ready-made "advanced platforms and technologies."

Decided to buy an F-35? So what? You have to cram this not very successful plane somewhere ... Like the 5th generation, all the cases ...

[Bat]

Quote: Wedmak

Decided to buy an F-35? So what? You have to cram this not very successful plane somewhere ... Like the 5th generation, all the cases ...

And this no longer concerns them. They ordered the campaign to "buy"

[kamakama]

As if we are offering the freshest and most innovative. All over the world, so (well, almost) - weapons for export are cut in functionality

[AC130 Gunship]

The F35 just goes not stripped down. It was originally developed for the external market. It is much more profitable for any manufacturer to create a product that will be in demand both inside and outside. Remember the sad story of Sszh-100. At first, they said that the project would become profitable when the pieces were released and sold. 400 aircraft, of which 250-300 - to the foreign market. Now they quietly forgot about it

[donavi49]

No Rafali and F15EX:
Indonesia signs agreement of intent to acquire 36 French Dassault Rafale fighters
On June 7, 2021, during the visit of the Minister of the Armed Forces of France Florence Parley to Indonesia, the military departments of the two countries secretly signed an agreement of intent (Letter of Intent - LoI) regarding the purchase of 36 new French Dassault Rafale fighters by Indonesia.

But February 2021
According to documents published at a meeting of the leadership of the Indonesian Air Force, the state will acquire 36 Rafale fighters and eight F-15EX fighters.

Expected that of 44 purchased fighters six will be delivered to Indonesia by 2022.

The Indonesian Air Force said that the country will also buy a C-130J transport aircraft and medium-altitude unmanned combat aircraft.

Arms Purchase Plan in Indonesia has undergone several changes, both taking into account global conditions and the country's capabilities.


Well, for the fleet, the mega-contract at FREMM, the Damen group with the Sigma frigate remained at a broken trough, even the localization of the Sigma corvette at the PT PAL shipyards did not help:

Indonesia signs construction contract with Fincantieri six frigates of the FREMM type

Italian shipbuilding association Fincantieri 10 2021 June of the year signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense of Indonesia for the construction of six FREMM frigates for the Indonesian naval forces. The contract also includes the supply of Indonesia with the repair and modernization of two Maestrale-class frigates being withdrawn from the Italian Navy.

The cost and other parameters of the contract were not disclosed, but it is probably the largest export military shipbuilding contract in Fincantieri history. According to Italian sources, the first three FREMM-class frigates will be built for Indonesia at Fincantieri shipyards in Italy, and three others will be built with Italian assistance at the Indonesian state shipbuilding association RT PAL in Surabaya.... The two Maestrale class frigates will also be repaired and upgraded in Italy.

[Doccor18]

Unfortunately, such a large, but such a toothless and helpless country ...

[rotmistr60]

the purchase of the Su-27. Before deliveries ended, the next generation of the Su-30 had already appeared. Then we wanted to buy a Su-30, but there was a Su-35

Remove bureaucrats, pipers, bribe-takers and perhaps then you will keep up with technology. And the requests must be weighed against the possibilities.

[tralflot1832]

So when you finish dancing with tambourines, there will already be SS 77.SU 76 was already there.

[keeper03]

Something palm oil completely clogged the Indonesian mosk!

[rocket757]

- said the Indonesian minister, calling for the transition to ready-made "advanced platforms and technologies."

Is it true? And what such advanced technologies have already developed and ... will they stop there?

[dzvero]

F-35 for example. Too innovative (seriously), the order is not sickly (let's see if it does not work out like with the F-22), but ... it looks like that's it. There will be no development, but a replacement is planned immediately. And not the fact that on its basis (although something will probably take over).

[rocket757]

Quote: dzvero

F-35 for example. Too innovative (seriously)

A lot of interesting things were announced ... the implementation is not ice.
How to talk about it, discuss it now?
There is no point in talking about what they wanted and will never be achieved ... about what happened, there are already so many "copies broken", nothing new can be added, at least, or even never at all. .. FIG knows.

[Cananecat]

F35 is so navatory that about a thousand imperfections threaten its pilot with death.
Where and how was F35 used? Maximum missile launch from a distance with rare departures. And what will happen to him and what will result in more frequent use and air battles, which no one has canceled? In this regard, F22 is a cut above the 35th.

[rocket757]

Quote: Canecat

F35 is so navatorial,

As an idea, a groundwork for the future ... and then with big reservations, because a lot was not completed, they did not even begin to implement it !!!

[dzvero]

The idea was very attractive. In advertising brochures, it looked like something from the distant future. But the implementation, to put it mildly, leaves much to be desired
There is no need to compare the F-22 with the F-35. Different cars, different tasks. In fact, at the end of the 80s, they were conceived as a bunch - a heavy twin-engine fighter to conquer superiority (replacing the F-15) and a massive single-engine multipurpose (replacing the F-16 / F-18 / A-10). And if with the F-22 it turned out more or less decently (except for the price tag), then with the F-35 another season of the "Pentagon Wars" began.
As for the combat use - none of the new ones fought "seriously". And what will happen when ... it will be like the Turkish Leos in Syria and the Saudi Abrams in Yemen ... By the way, the Syrian birds still managed to damage one Israeli F-35

[Cananecat]

Quote: dzvero

There is no need to compare the F-22 with the F-35. Different cars, different tasks.

In this case, I am not comparing the class of machines or their functionality, I am comparing the completeness of the product.

[sabakina]

Vitya prYuvet! Apparently, this Indonesian defense minister wants alien technology!

[rocket757]

Hi Vyacheslav
The question is, how can he contact the representatives of the extraterrestrial, ADVANCED intelligence ???
Maybe his "little green men" visit / contact when he is in a "deep trance / sleep", as a result ... in short, is he?

[sabakina]

Vitya, microbes-translators. (c) "At the edge of the universe." The only question is where to otarcheologize them?

[rocket757]

I watched it before, did not master the continuation ...
Fantasies from writers, directors, more than enough!
But the ministers, it is better to be ... more down to earth, or something. Pts useful and cheaper for the budget, for sure.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: rocket757

Maybe his "little green men" visit / contact when he is in a "deep trance / sleep"

He sees green presidents in packs and loose in his pink dreams.

[rocket757]

Quote: Polite Elk

He sees green presidents in packs and loose in his pink dreams.

We do not know for sure ... but our fantasy is not limited by anyone.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: rocket757

but fantasy, ours, no one limits.

Just let him try.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

This same Monoarfa is right for all 100! You must immediately buy the weapon that will be advanced from the date of purchase and another 20-30 years later. Smart guy! And he even collected money for this. Genius!

[pytar]

Indonesia intends to invest in the coming years .... $ 20,7 billion to be spent in 2020-2024.

Not frail money! There will be a hard butting!

Enough to repeat the mistake associated with the purchase of the Su-27. Before deliveries ended, the next generation of the Su-30 had already appeared. Then we wanted to buy the Su-30, but the Su-35 was born. We started talking about buying the Su-35, the Su-57 appeared, and so on.

In principle, the minister is right, although it is not clear why the Su-57 is on the list? Although there are doubts about how technologically advanced the Su-57 is in comparison with potential competitors, it is still undoubtedly higher in a number of characteristics than the F-16, which the United States is trying to shove into the Indonesians.
There is one more factor. I suspect that Indonesia will choose models that China does not have.

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

There is no doubt how much the Su-57 is technologically advanced in comparison with potential competitors, all the same in a number of characteristics it is undoubtedly higher than the F-16, which the United States is trying to shove into the Indonesians.

)))))))))))))))))
a training battle between the Su-30MKI and the F-16C was completely lost by the Americans

[dzvero]

In the mid-00s, the F-15 lost to the MiG-21 in the joint Indian-American exercises In a sense, the MiGs thwarted the performance of BZ to phantoms.

[pytar]

In the mid-00s, in a joint Indian-American exercise, the F-15s lost to the MiG-21. In a sense, the MiGs thwarted the performance of BZ to phantoms.

https://www.aviaport.ru/news/2005/12/12/98582.html
Source: Dmitry Kozlov // AviaPort.Ru Published: 12.12.2005
"Bison" performed excellently - From November 19 to November 24, 2005, a joint Indian-American Air Force exercise was held in India. Informed source in the field of military-technical cooperation with foreign countries in a conversation with the correspondent of "AviaPort.Ru" commented on some of the results of the joint air force exercises of the two countries. "
One woman said to another woman ...

[dzvero]

No, I read it in an Indian magazine where an American officer was quoted. He talked about good control, which allowed MiGs to interfere with the actions of the F-15. He also complained that the Indians did not use the Su-30.

[pytar]

No, I read it in an Indian magazine where an American officer was quoted.

I would not trust such sources. Hoth really, under certain circumstances, even archaic "Bison" can interfere with the "Eagles". But this is more of a rare exception than a rule.

[pytar]

a training battle between the Su-30MKI and the F-16C was completely lost by the Americans

I readily believe ... In fact, the F-16 is probably not the best choice for a country like Indonesia. I wonder how the battle between the Su-30MKI and its Chinese counterparts ended up ?! China and J-20 went into production. Indonesia, India are looking for opposition. Here is a colleague donavi49 writes:
On June 7, 2021, during the visit of the Minister of the Armed Forces of France Florence Parley to Indonesia, the military departments of the two countries secretly signed an agreement of intent (Letter of Intent - LoI) regarding the purchase of 36 new French Dassault Rafale fighters by Indonesia.
February 2021 - According to documents released at a meeting of the leadership of the Indonesian Air Force, the state will acquire 36 Rafale fighters and eight F-15EX fighters.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: poquello

Quote: pytar

There is no doubt how much the Su-57 is technologically advanced in comparison with potential competitors, all the same in a number of characteristics it is undoubtedly higher than the F-16, which the United States is trying to shove into the Indonesians.

)))))))))))))))))
a training battle between the Su-30MKI and the F-16C was completely lost by the Americans

F-16C - production since 85.
Su-30MKI - production since 2001

[poquello]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: poquello

Quote: pytar

There is no doubt how much the Su-57 is technologically advanced in comparison with potential competitors, all the same in a number of characteristics it is undoubtedly higher than the F-16, which the United States is trying to shove into the Indonesians.

)))))))))))))))))
a training battle between the Su-30MKI and the F-16C was completely lost by the Americans

F-16C - production since 85.
Su-30MKI - production since 2001

They convert the F16s into a F16viper, changing the radar and sight, just a treasure trove of technologies

[SovAr238A]

Quote: poquello

They convert the F16s into a F16viper, changing the radar and sight, just a treasure trove of technologies

Figase ...
Do the Americans know about your "know-how" of replacing only the radar and only the sight?
Almost everything is changing there.
The engine is to be replaced with a new model.
The fuel system changes completely.
All avionics electronics are changing. All.
Brand new radar.
Fully digital EDSU with an automatic flight system in the terrain enveloping mode. New board computer. New system of electronic warfare and
New chassis.
New cab. Brand new.
New suspension assemblies designed for twice the suspension weight.
Conformal tanks.
OLS is mounted.

This is practically a new aircraft.
Compared to what was in the F-16C, the times it began ...

[poquello]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: poquello

They convert the F16s into a F16viper, changing the radar and sight, just a treasure trove of technologies

Figase ...
Do the Americans know about your "know-how" of replacing only the radar and only the sight?
Almost everything is changing there.
The engine is to be replaced with a new model.
The fuel system changes completely.
All avionics electronics are changing. All.
Brand new radar.
Fully digital EDSU with an automatic flight system in the terrain enveloping mode. New board computer. New system of electronic warfare and
New chassis.
New cab. Brand new.
New suspension assemblies designed for twice the suspension weight.
Conformal tanks.
OLS is mounted.

This is practically a new aircraft.
Compared to what was in the F-16C, the times it began ...

somehow it reminded me of how the salesmen went to their homes, - "and you get a vacuum cleaner as a gift!"
engine f16s b30,40 - f110, does the viper have something new?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: poquello

somehow it reminded me of how the salesmen went to their homes, - "and you get a vacuum cleaner as a gift!"
engine f16s b30,40 - f110, does the viper have something new?

Well, if you don't try to know the history of technology, then of course you can reason the way you do.

Only the PrattWitney F100-PW-229 EEP engine, which is on the Viper (70/72) and on the new F-15EX, appeared in series only in 2009.
15 years later than the F-16C started flying on the F110-GE-100 engine.

It has been redesigned practically from scratch.
It uses all 5th generation aircraft engine technologies - F119 and F135.

And the flight resource is twice as long - 10000 hours.
Yes, and noticeably smaller in size.

[cyberbarabash]

Quite a reasonable desire. It is more and more difficult to compete, blowing dust off Soviet projects 30-40 years ago, and even with electronics collected from broken Chinese calculators found in a landfill. The share of the Russian Federation in high-tech markets, including arms, will shrink. C'est La Vie.
And, of course, the Americans and other footwear are to blame: D

[Prisoner]

souHarso vs. Su. Well, let the F-35 buy. They are unlikely to develop further. We have reached the "top" of perfection. The translator is to blame, or Suharso's logic is somehow dislocated, but the peasant seems to be stupid.

[Reserve buildbat]

"move to ready-made" advanced platforms and technologies. " summoned the monoharp. And his deputy, polybalalaika, clarified that these should be F-16 and F-18 "from the presence of third countries"

[Machete]

Really.
Take Tucano and don't worry. A fighter or an attack aircraft - don't care. The main thing is not getting old.

[jncnfdybr]

Well, don't be stupid. Move and keep up with all the developments.)

[demo]

Enough to repeat the mistake associated with the purchase of the Su-27. Before deliveries ended, the next generation of the Su-30 had already appeared. Then we wanted to buy the Su-30, but the Su-35 was born. We started talking about buying the Su-35, the Su-57 appeared, and so on. So it's time to stop chasing Su fighters, we can't afford it, we shouldn't do that.
You can offer aircraft of the Yak, La, Po, Il, Tu families.
The Wright brothers' plane for a snack.
And no doubts are needed. These works of aviation technology are clearly not distinguished by their novelty. But they are reliable and cannot be upgraded.
And the minister, and the ministry, and money can be spent with great sense.
Next in line are land units and the Navy.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

A very stupid and populist statement by the Indonesian Defense Minister.

During this time, while they were going to buy the Su-27 and Su-30, and all other aircraft were also improved.

In Russia, there are also Su-27 and Su-30 in the troops and they are actively used.

It looks more like the United States, through bribery or political pressure, did not bend the Indonesian authorities under itself. And now to impose on them either their own weapons systems or other NATO countries.

[Thompson]

There is zero logic in his words ... or does he want to say that f-15,16,18, mirages, rafali, tornadoes and the like, the first models since the beginning of their production and are still the most ??? I think someone promised a rollback more than ours, either D, B

[Marachuh]

So take the su-57 right away. Or do they hope that the Americans will immediately sell them a 6th generation prototype?

[123456789]

Quote: pytar

February 2021 - According to documents released at a meeting of the leadership of the Indonesian Air Force, the state will acquire 36 Rafale fighters and eight F-15EX fighters.

Country Russia France USA
Producer OKB Sukhoi Dassault McDonnell Douglas
Name Su-35 Rafale F-15
Modification of the Su-35 Rafale F-15 Eagle
Start of production (year) 2008 1985 1979
Length (m) 21.95 15.30 19.45
Height (m.) 5.92 5.34 5.63
Wingspan (m.) 14.75 10.90 13.05
Empty weight (kg.) 19 000 9
Maximum takeoff weight (kg.) 34 500 21
Maximum flight range (km) 4 500 2
Maximum flight speed (km/h) 2 500 1 900 1 480
Cruise speed (km/h) - 1 350 -
Service ceiling (m) 18 000 16
Powerplant 2 x turbofan AL-41F1S 2 x turbofan SNECMA M88-2 2 x turbofan Pratt Whitney F100-PW-220
Engine power 14 500 92 104
Crew (persons) 1 2 1
weaponry
one 30-mm cannon GSh-30-1 (150 rounds),

combat load - 8000 kg on 12 suspension nodes:

URVV - R-27E, R-77, R-73, RVV-SD, RVV-MD,

8 x R-27 ER1, 4 x R-27ET1 and P-27EP1,

12 x R-77 RVB-AE, 6 x R-73

12 250 kg of bombs and 4 8 SD or SD

small arms six-barreled cannon of 20 mm caliber,

guided missiles 4x "Sparrow",

4x "Sidewinder" Bomb load, kg 7260

Produced (units) 42 140 1 500

More details at: https://avia.pro/sravnenie/voennue-samoletu/result

[Zaurbek]

Are there other examples?

[Butchcassidy]

Some kind of meaningless thesis, because of which mattress covers are visible.

[Klingon]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Klingon

By "advanced technology" I so believe means the F-16 or

I wonder how many blocks have changed in the F-16 while the SU was developing from 27 to 35?

6? But I could be wrong)))

[Mikhalych 70]

Remember the anecdote how a graduate of MGIMO did not pass the exam, because he wrote "cross-eyed monkeys" with a capital letter, and "went to ikskui", together)))

[Herman 4223]

Well, I would say right away that they gave me some money, so we won't buy Su fighters.
Why did he carry such nonsense?

[Andrey Baikal]

hello.
one note,
the minister's concern for his army is understandable, to have the best. but progress does not stand still (for example, gadgets), but by the way, he himself participates in it. since he acquired su27, and paid the money, for which su30 was created, and so on.

[Igor Yermakov]

It would have been a long time since the corn workers would have bought and the issue would have been closed for a long time.

[Free Island]

And the speech is definitely about Indonesia, and not about Estonia ???, "We are pakkupayeeem fighter Suuuuu twenty seeeeeeem .... Oh! Already su 57

[av58]

Aircraft are always updated, development is a normal process.
Everything is developing, including airplanes. If you don't want this, if you need to take it once and for all, then the Indonesians can try to buy an F-35 or Rafale, and calm down on that.

[Kremenspb]

I did not understand this pitch. Does he want to buy a Douglas A-1 Skyrader that doesn't upgrade due to age? Or F35, which is not being modernized due to the fact that its own Air Force refused to buy it?

[Gogia]

Yes, for 10 F-16 block 70/72, the Americans requested 2,4 yards. They could have taken 24 Su-35s with ammunition ...