Lost and Forgotten

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“My dear Lilya and children! We are going safely. We got to Gomel today. I slept at night for the entire mobilization. Austria finally declared war too. The ball travels with me in the most favorable way. We stayed in Gomel for several hours, but today is Saturday and the station is empty, and everything is locked in the city. In Gomel the 2nd battalion will catch up with us. In general, we are going faster than the schedule. The minutes of parting are terrible, the first time of loneliness is even more difficult; but on the other hand, complete consolation in the certainty that all this will not last long, and besides, all of you, my dears, could notice from my mood that I do not doubt the excellent outcome of our affairs; I have such an unshakable calmness, such confidence without the slightest doubt that this is not without reason: I could not immediately lose the quality inherent in man - a presentiment! Everything is for the best, everything will go in an amicable way. I kiss you all, V. Kobanov, who loves you with all his heart. "

Colonel Kobanov was the commander of the 143rd Dorogobuzh Infantry Regiment, stationed in provincial Bryansk and included, together with the 144th Kashirsky Infantry Regiment in the 36th Infantry Division (Oryol city). Both regiments fought back in the Russian-Turkish and were well-trained units located relatively close to the border, in the Moscow military district. According to the plans of mobilization, they, leaving about a hundred soldiers and officers each for the formations of the 291 Trubchevsky and 292 Malo-Arkhangelsky infantry regiments, were to become part of the 13th army corps of the 2nd army, the purpose of which was to attack in East Prussia together with the 1st army.

Actually, this is what happened - in early August, the brigade mobilized, left a frame for the second-order regiments and began to load into the echelons. It was from the train in Gomel that Colonel Kobanov, a 53-year-old career officer of the Russian army, wrote to his wife and children.




He wrote, undoubtedly, in order to reassure, because the whole undertaking with an unprepared offensive in East Prussia was beyond common sense and had only one goal - to pull off part of the German troops from the Western Front. In the best case, Samsonov's army would have been defeated after that and with heavy losses would have rolled back, in the worst ...

Worst case and came out.

Well-prepared regiments bravo entered East Prussia, moved quickly forward, losing contact with each other and complicating logistics. In fact, General Samsonov was leading the army into a sack.

Did Colonel Kobanov and other senior officers understand this?

I think yes, I will say more - Samsonov probably understood this and, perhaps, the front commander Zhilinsky himself. But France was cracking, and the rate demanded - go ahead. Later, General Golovin wrote:

Based on the assumption of our own G.U.G.Sh., these Nometsian troops, assembled against one of our armies, could reach a force of 12-15 Germans. nѣkh. divisions, which is equivalent to 18-22 Russian pѣh. divisions. Hence it follows that each of our armies S.-Z. the front threatened a meeting with a twice as strong enemy. And during these encounters, each of our armies ended up in the web, enveloping it with specially prepared East Prussian railways.

The only question was who the Germans would rush to after receiving reinforcements - Rennenkampf or Samsonov.

The Germans chose Samsonov, whose troops were quickly drawn into the bag. The troops went to die. The first to be hit was the 143rd Dorogobuzh Infantry Regiment. During the march from Allenstein to Hohenstein, a regiment of two battalions (the third remained in Allenstein) on August 28 was left in the rearguard without artillery with a small stock of cartridges in order to stop the Germans. Komkor Klyuev underestimated the enemy's forces, and a German division from the Reserve Corps fell on the regiment. The Dorogobuzh residents held out until nightfall and went for a breakthrough:

“A terribly solemn spectacle represented the fierce attacks of the remnants of this incomparable battalion, which was marching in the last battles, accompanied by the regimental shrine, the banner and the body of the slain commander ... into the final battle, carrying the corpse of his slain leader ... "

The regiment's banner was buried, the Germans got only the pole, and the regiment ceased to exist. The next were the Kashirians, who were also left to cover the retreat of the corps:

The valiant commander of the Kashirsky regiment, the cavalier of St. George, Colonel Kakhovsky showed unlimited energy in order to gain the time needed for the corps to pass the Uzina. Surrounded on 3 sides, he saw no other outcome, grabbed the banner and at the head of the regiment went on the attack. At the cost of the death of the regiment and its commander, most of the corps passed the isthmus ...

The flag of the regiment will be found by Polish search engines already in the XNUMXst century ... The brigade, like the entire army, fulfilled their duty heroically to the end.

And then there was oblivion.

Memory


Lost and Forgotten

No.

Much has been written and said about the East Prussian operation of 1914, but in the spirit of exposing the crimes of tsarism, nobody was concerned with regiments there. And the authorities of the Empire - even more so, the memory turned out to be too uncomfortable. As a result, it is possible that it was for these reasons that the regiments were restored in 1916, despite the loss of the banners. What are the people of Kashira and the darlings? Here it is the 36th division, here is the second brigade and its 143rd and 114th regiments, they are fighting on the Northern Front ...

After the revolution and the Civil War, it became possible to recall the imperialist war only in the context of bad tsarism and certainly not the feat of the soldiers, who for the ideologists became something like victims who were forced to shoot proletarians in uniform from the other side.

It became easier after the Great Patriotic War, but not on the ground. There is almost no memory of the 2nd brigade at the place of deployment - the garrison cemetery was demolished under Brezhnev, building a school in its place and leaving a narrow square. The barracks were partly demolished, partly redesigned: neither in Bryansk, nor in Oryol there are streets named after those heroes, and there are no monuments either.

The only cross in the title photo was put already in the 70st century, and then after the old gravestones appeared in the park, not completely dug by bulldozers in the XNUMXs. They were ashamed to write, however, which soldiers and where they died. There is nothing? Eagle is the Battle of Kursk, Bryansk is a partisan land, and before that ...

Or maybe there was nothing?

What's the difference?

Here in Bryansk in 1914 - 25 thousand inhabitants, 5000 of them - the same brigade 2 that went to the war and did not return. 20% of the city's population was killed or captured.

Nobody cares, except for individual enthusiasts.

And I catch myself on heretical thought (although why on heretical, look at Ukraine at least) - change the government, and local officials will do the same with monuments that war, because there is nothing to spend money on stupidity - the monuments are not profitable.

We do not remember a lot, but even in provincial cities there is something to remember. For all the tragedy of that war, the resistance of the Russian soldier in 1914 was no worse than the resistance of their sons and grandchildren in the year 1941. And they did not know about the white-red, the crunch of the French roll and the world revolution, they just went into battle for the Motherland, how and where she told them to.
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  1. +10
    23 June 2021 04: 24
    How many bones of Russian soldiers and officers are scattered in Prussia ... how many mothers and wives and children were left without their breadwinners.
    It is sad to read the stories of the death of entire military units.
    Russia is not a bottomless barrel that gives a myriad of soldiers, the human resources of the people are not endless.
    Now we sorely lack people for the development of the country and the state, all because of these wars.
    1. 0
      23 June 2021 20: 41
      Moreover, it is sad to read pretentious reports. The dead are a kind of tribute to the inept heroism of the "heroes" of the colonels. Two groups, and who are the rest?
  2. +1
    23 June 2021 05: 15
    The author's emphasis is shifted.
    The East Prussian operation is not a spontaneous decision, as can be concluded from the article.
    In fact, France and Russia even before the war had coordinated plans for the conduct of hostilities against Germany.
    The East Prussian operation was envisaged by these plans, with the transfer of hostilities to enemy territory.
    Before the start of the First World War, a Franco-Russian alliance was formed, providing for joint concerted actions in the event of a war with Germany ..... Russian mobilization schedules No. 19 and No. 20 ordered the North-West and South-West Fronts to take the offensive and transfer the war to the territory Germany and Austria-Hungary respectively. The direction of the main attack against Germany - from Narew to Allenstein - was determined back in 1912 at the negotiations between Zhilinsky and Joffre. In the operational-strategic game, conducted by the Russian Ministry of War and the General Staff in April 1914, the invasion of East Prussia by the forces of two armies of the North-Western Front from the east and south was practiced. It was assumed that the closed pincers would lead to the defeat of the German army, eliminating the threat of a flank attack during an offensive on the main direction through Poznan to Berlin from the Warsaw salient.

    That is, the war "with little blood and on a foreign land" (where did I hear that?) - This is the original plan, provided long before the start of the war.
    Yes, the actions of the Russian army helped France to resist in the first period of the war and thwarted the plans of the Germans, who understood the danger of a war on two fronts, on a "blitzkrieg", but this was as it should have been - these were pre-agreed plans that did not allow the Germans to defeat the enemy by alternately swift actions ...
    Another thing is that the military operations themselves corresponded to the pre-war plans only partially - the Germans, as was foreseen by the plans, did not give the opportunity to quickly defeat the opponents one by one, but the superior German forces of the Russian army failed to implement the pre-war plan and defeat the enemy in East Prussia.
    So in this sense, the operation can be attributed in a certain sense to the "crimes of tsarism."
    hi
    1. BAI
      0
      23 June 2021 10: 07
      So in this sense, the operation can be attributed in a certain sense to the "crimes of tsarism."

      There is another assessment of this operation:
      Strategically, this operation was the most successful operation of the Entente forces during this entire war. Despite all the mistakes made by the Russian headquarters, this operation forever put an end to the possibility of victory for the Central Powers.

      To eliminate our breakthrough into East Prussia, at the height of the battle on the Marne, two German corps were disrupted from the Western Front - the Guards Reserve and the 11th Army - and the 8th Saxon Cavalry Division - 120 bayonets and sabers! This is what prevented, according to military analysts, Generals von Kluck and von Bülow from taking Paris back in August 000. And then, turning around, throw the British expeditionary forces into the sea. Dunkirk could have taken place not in 1914, but 1940 years earlier. Moreover, the British army itself was already torn for the Canal. "After ten days of campaign, he [the English Field Marshal J. French] decided to abandon the defeated French and send the expeditionary force back to England."

      But with the victorious German army, which was then transferred to the Eastern Front, it would be really difficult for us to cope. In the presence of a whole Austro-Hungarian army with a very good High Command in the person of Franz Konrad von Götzendorf 30. It would be good if Petersburg could be defended.

      So, strategically, the First World War was lost by Germany precisely as a result of this very "major failure" of the Russian armies in East Prussia.
      1. 0
        23 June 2021 10: 15
        where did you see the other grade?
        I have the same.

        Yes, the actions of the Russian army helped France to resist in the first period of the war and thwarted the plans of the Germans

        The plans of the Germans for a quick war were thwarted, and without it the Germans could not win on two fronts.
        But according to pre-war plans, the Russian army in this sector was supposed to win, and not lose to the Germans because of the miscalculations of our command.
        This allowed the Germans to drag out the war and ultimately, among other things, led to the collapse of the Russian Empire and two revolutions in Russia with all their consequences.
        hi
    2. 0
      27 June 2021 17: 34
      Quote: Avior
      In fact, France and Russia even before the war had coordinated plans for the conduct of hostilities against Germany.

      Well, don't fool people, because this alliance was of a STRATEGIC nature for a long-term war. And in this case we are talking about the operational actions of two regiments of the same division, not entirely successful for various reasons, and to talk about this, attracting the strategy in this case is simply ridiculous.
      Quote: Avior
      So in this sense, the operation can be attributed in a certain sense to the "crimes of tsarism."

      Enough to blame everything on tsarism, because the Red Army also had setbacks in the initial period of the war, and it is not at all necessary to sprinkle ashes on your head on every tragic event in our history - if it weren't for the Varyag, perhaps the Brest Fortress would not exist. Have you ever thought about it?
      I believe that the author of the article chose the correct form of presentation of material from our common history, and does not consider it from a class position, believing that the memory of the fallen must be treated with care, no matter for whom they fought and at what time.
      In what you personally see "crimes" after more than a hundred years, I do not understand, but I think that if you lived at that time, and were in the place of the regiment commander, it is still unknown who would have caused more damage to the Fatherland.
      1. -3
        28 June 2021 07: 15
        Read carefully what you start to comment on.
        Actions in East Prussia are a consequence of pre-war strategic plans for waging war, and not a momentary decision caused by circumstances, as the author writes.
        1. 0
          28 June 2021 11: 31
          Quote: Avior
          a consequence of the pre-war strategic plans for the conduct of the war,

          If you were a real military professional, yes, with extensive service experience, then you would know that all plans fly from the very first retaliatory shot of the enemy. And then the operational situation begins to influence decision-making, including the adjustment of all plans created in peacetime. It is strange, you undertake to talk about making operational decisions, but you don’t know the basics of military science.
          1. -3
            28 June 2021 11: 41
            If you carefully read what you undertook to comment, then this post would not have written
            hi
  3. +15
    23 June 2021 05: 29
    In 1914, two regiments of the 36th infantry division, which had been based in Bryansk since the end of the 19th century, left Bryansk for the war: 143 infantry Dorogobuzhsky and 144 infantry Kashirsky. After the announcement of mobilization, they were staffed in Bryansk, they included natives of the Bryansk region.
    The 144th Kashirsky infantry regiment was commanded by Boris Vsevolodovich Kakhovsky. Educated in the Nikolaev cadet corps. Graduated from the Corps of Pages. Member of the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. Shell-shocked. Colonel since 1908, 13.05.1913/29.08.1914/144. on 1914/16/29 commander of the 08.1914th Kashirsky infantry regiment. Member of the campaign to East Prussia in August 2. 1905 (2) .1905 died in battle. Awards: Order of St. Stanislaus, 1906nd class. with swords (4), St. Anne 1907nd Art. with swords (4), Golden saber with the inscription "For Bravery" (1911), St. George 13.09.1871th century. (29.08.1914), St. Vladimir 144th Art. (3). (13/29/16 - 86/144/XNUMX). The XNUMXth Kashira Infantry Regiment and units of the Narva XNUMXrd Infantry Regiment also constituted the rear guard of the XNUMXth Army Corps and, covering its retreat, on August XNUMX, took a battle with superior enemy forces in the Merken-Grislinen area. There were XNUMX German guns against XNUMX Russian guns, the regiment fought in complete encirclement. The regiment commander, Colonel Kakhovsky, was killed in hand-to-hand combat at the regiment's banner. The remnants of the regiment fought until evening. About how the XNUMXth Kashira Infantry Regiment broke through, the German Chief Lieutenant Weltke told: “It was terrible! When the Russians broke through, our heavy batteries opened crossfire. It seemed that the Russians were hanging in the air, but they continued to move forward. Although it is more accurate to say - to float across the sky. " And yet the Kashirians broke through to their own, and Lieutenant Sviridov carried the regimental banner on himself, wrapping it around him under his tunic.
    1. +12
      23 June 2021 05: 33
      The 143rd Dorogobuzh Infantry Regiment was commanded by Kabanov (Kobanov) Vladimir Vasilievich (24.06.1861-28.08.1914). Educated in the Oryol Bakhtin Cadet Corps. Graduated from the 1st military Pavlovsk school. Colonel since 1906, 18.10.1911/15/28 on 08.1914 (143) .1914 commander of the 15rd infantry regiment of the Dorogobuzh regiment. Participated in the campaign to East Prussia in August 28.08.1914, (18.01.1916) 3/1901/2 died in battle. 1909/XNUMX/XNUMX excluded from the lists as missing. Awards: Order of St. Anne, XNUMXrd class. (XNUMX), St. Stanislaus XNUMXnd Art. (XNUMX).
      During the military operation in East Prussia on August 28, 1914, during the march of the 13th Army Corps from Allenstein to Hohenstein, the 143rd Dorogobuzh Regiment of two battalions (one of its battalions, by order of the command, remained in Allenstein) was left at Dareten in the rearguard, to besides, without artillery and with a limited supply of cartridges. The regiment stubbornly resisted the German units of the 13st Reserve Corps pursuing the 1th Army Corps. The incomplete Dorogobuzh regiment found pursuit, but the commander of the 13th Army Corps, General N. Klyuev, incorrectly estimated the enemy's strength and ordered the regiment to stop to repel the enemy. The vanguard German division fell on the regiment, the regiment commander Kabanov occupied a narrow passage between the lakes and repulsed the attacks of the enemy division. The Germans could not bypass the regiment. The Dorogobuzh regiment stood to death, but the cartridges soon ran out, by evening they fought back only with bayonet counterattacks (three bayonet counterattacks). Kabanov died, the battalions suffered huge losses, but held out until nightfall. At night, the remnants of the regiment withdrew, taking the body of the commander. There is also a letter from Vladimir Vasilyevich Kobanov, which he wrote to his family 18 days before his death:
      “My dear Lilya and children! We are going safely. We got to Gomel today. I slept at night for the entire mobilization. Austria finally declared war too. The ball travels with me in the most favorable way. We stayed in Gomel for several hours, but today is Saturday and the station is empty, and everything is locked in the city. In Gomel the 2nd battalion will catch up with us. In general, we are going faster than the schedule. The minutes of parting are terrible, the first time of loneliness is even more difficult; but on the other hand, complete consolation in the certainty that all this will not last long, and besides, all of you, my dears, could have noticed from my mood that I do not doubt the excellent outcome of our affairs; I have such an unshakable calmness, such confidence without the slightest doubt that this is not without reason: I could not immediately lose the quality inherent in man - a presentiment! Everything is for the best, everything will go in an amicable way. I kiss you all, V. Kobanov, who loves you with all his heart. "
      1. -3
        23 June 2021 05: 54
        And no one surrendered, and did not go over to the side of the enemy. Neither privates nor officers ...
        1. +13
          23 June 2021 08: 11
          Quote: kalibr
          And no one surrendered, and did not go over to the side of the enemy. Neither privates nor officers ...

          As a historian who considers himself an unbiased, it is not forgivable to lie. Surrendered, and generals and officers, even in the same 2nd army of Samsonov. Fifteen genepals surrendered there. General Klyuev himself ordered his orderly to go to the Germans with a white handkerchief in his hands. Here, for the first time, that pernicious tendency in the quality of a small part of the pre-war Russian officer corps, which surrendered soldiers subordinate to them, was manifested.
          The total losses of the 2nd Russian army during the East Prussian offensive operation amounted to about 8000 killed, 25 wounded and up to 000 prisoners. The enemy also captured up to five hundred guns and two hundred machine guns. So why did the generals and senior officers not lead the soldiers to the breakthrough, but preferred captivity? Doesn't it look like anything? He was faithful to the Tsar and the Fatherland to the end and was taken prisoner against his will. All surrendered, I did not even know that it was already a prisoner. "And General AA Blagoveshchensky, who fled from his troops of the 80th Army Corps. As he justified himself," he was not used to being with the troops. "Well, what a worthy example ...
          You can also recall the order on the surrender of the Novogeorgievsk fortress, its commandant general. NP Bobyr, and its commandant, who fled from the Kovno fortress, general. V.N. Grigoriev.
          So it's enough to tell a fairy tale here, we did not give up. Give up, and how.
          1. -3
            23 June 2021 13: 55
            Actually, Vyacheslav had in mind specifically two THESE regiments! So don't juggle ... hi
            1. +4
              23 June 2021 14: 37
              What Mr. Shpakovsky had in mind should always be understood in two ways. The experience of long work in the literary field, back in Soviet times, makes itself felt. You can't take it with your bare hands. Completed a good school.
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          2. -1
            23 June 2021 14: 13
            You have commented very well on the first part of my comment. Resolved - surrendered. Now about the fight with weapons in hand on the side of the Germans. We know about Czechs with weapons in their hands on the side of the Republic of Ingushetia. Now enlighten us about the number of Russian soldiers and collaborator generals of the First World War ...
        2. BAI
          +6
          23 June 2021 09: 25
          And no one surrendered

          4 million is "nobody"? But there really was no mass transition to the side of the Germans. Except for the fact that the Baltics and Ukraine almost voluntarily fell under them in 1917-18.
          1. BAI
            +4
            23 June 2021 09: 59
            It should be noted that the figures for prisoners are different, those who wish can choose any:
            1.
            Data on the losses of the Russian army during the First World War are still unknown. The estimated death toll in it is 2-2,3 million people, prisoners - 4 million... The war has made 600 thousand invalids disabled.

            2.
            The first serious attempt to determine the level of military losses in Russia was made by V. Avramov, who in 1920 published an analysis of the materials of the Main Military Sanitary Directorate of the War Ministry in Izvestia of the People's Commissariat of Health of the RSFSR [2]. His data concerned only the Western theater of operations for the period from August 1914 to September 1917. V. Avramov came to the conclusion that the losses amounted to: 664 800 people killed (including 12 813 officers and 652 077 soldiers), 3 613 827 people wounded, shell-shocked and poisoned (including 73 768 officers and 3 740 59 soldiers) , 2 people missing (333 officers and 375 soldiers)[3]. At the same time, V. Avramov himself pointed out that the data cited by him is a priori incomplete, suggesting that they be increased by 10%.

            3.
            with the work of the Commission for the Investigation of the Sanitary Consequences of the War of 1914-1920 under the RSFSR People's Commissariat of Health.
            In the writings of the commission, data from the Reporting Department were given, selected in 1920, which gave the number of killed in 511 68 people, dead - 35 185, wounded - 2 830 262, missing - 1 936 278, that is, in total - 5 people [312].

            4.
            response of the General Staff Directorate of October 3, 1917 to the request of the head of the French military mission at the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, General M. Janin, about the losses of the Russian army. He was informed that the number of those killed and missing was 775 369 people, dismissed from the service of the seriously wounded - 348 508, prisoners - 2; evacuated to the internal military districts: sick - 1 425 000, wounded - 2 875 000 [8].

            5.
            as S. Morozov points out in his article, according to the estimates of V. Binshtok and M. Grana1, the total irrecoverable losses of the army in the field amounted to 1,7 million servicemen; "of those who were in captivity 4,3 million people died from wounds and diseases 245,5 thousand; the number of missing persons has reached, according to the calculations of the commission, 200 thousand, refugees - 10-15 million, and indirect losses in 1914-1916. - at least 6 million people "2.

            6.
            In 1925, in fact, the first more or less major work appeared “Russia in the World War 1914-1918. (in numbers)",
            - 626 killed;
            - 17 dead from wounds;
            - 2 754 202 wounded;
            3 638 271 missing and captured[11].

            6. N. Nakhimson in his book "The World Economy Before and After the War" (M., 1926. vol. 2) determined the number of killed in 2,6-3,2 million people, and captured and missing - 3,6 million.
            7.
            After analyzing the published both Russian and German data, as well as using notes from the Potsdam and Vienna military archives compiled at his request, N. Golovin deduces a figure of 2 prisoners (including 417 million in German captivity).

            8
            V. Kaysarov, referring to the data of "German official statistics", determined the direct irrecoverable losses of the Russian army at 2,3 million people, the number of wounded - at 5,7 million, prisoners - 2,6 million, in total - 10,6 million military personnel [26].

            Etc. You can choose any number. Nobody will refute or prove anything. This is not to argue with those who will begin to convict me to put it mildly "inaccuracy."
          2. +3
            23 June 2021 14: 19
            Quote: BAI
            But there really was no mass transition to the side of the Germans. Except for the fact that the Baltics and Ukraine almost voluntarily fell under them in 1917-18

            There was no massive transition to the side of the Germans, there was no Second World War. There were millions of prisoners of war. In WWI, national armed formations from the outskirts of the Republic of Ingushetia, and even those who had citizenship of the empire, fought on the side of imperial Germany. The first are of course the Finns. The status of the Grand Duchy of Finland - the governorship general within the Russian Empire was generally strange. For what devil Alexander I attached him to the empire with such rights, it is not clear. No sense from him, but a lot of troubles. The Finns had their wide autonomy, including they were not drafted into the RI army. But Russophobic ideas were always present there. And the Finns, who are formally subjects of the RI, volunteer to the German Empire to fight with Russia on its side. The official birthday of the Finnish Jaeger. The battalion became on September 2, 1915. To organize the recruitment of young people in the Jaeger Battalion, Finland was divided into 87 departments, in each of which the corresponding work was carried out. On May 30, 1916, Kaiser Wilhelm personally received the battalion's parade. In 1918, these Jaegers were Mannerheim's headache. , who was not recognized for his own, since he fought in the Russian army, and he had to adapt to them, with the slogan of the great Suomi, and to the crushers, who were cut out in Helsingfors and Vyborg, showing who was the boss in Finland. The Austro-Hungarian army, many Poles who served there, had RI citizenship. And finally, the Sich Riflemen, formed in the same place, not only from the subjects of Austria-Hungary, but from prisoners of war volunteers. There was enough then too. They started WWI with the preserved traditions of warfare, and as human losses and material losses grew, they quickly forgot about them.
            1. +1
              25 June 2021 06: 05
              With the Finns, everything is clear. That the Swedes would not attack Peter from Vyborg.
              1. 0
                25 June 2021 07: 58
                Quote: aleks700
                With the Finns, everything is clear. That the Swedes would not attack Peter from Vyborg.

                To prevent the Swedes and other Varangians from going to Petersburg, it was enough to annex the entire northern coast of the Gulf of Finland, from Vyborg to Turku.
                And the rest of the proud Suomi, to leave to the Swedes, all the more the Finns were very gravitated towards them. During the existence of the Republic of Ingushetia (1809-1917), as many gold rubles were invested there as the rest of the provinces never dreamed of.
                1. 0
                  30 June 2021 02: 32
                  Maybe enough, maybe not. It will not be superfluous. And what and how much they laid out on the conscience of the royal family. Who were the princes of the Grand Duchy of Finland?
        3. 0
          27 June 2021 17: 42
          Quote: kalibr
          And no one surrendered, and did not go over to the side of the enemy. Neither privates nor officers ..

          Stop being smart, Shpakovsky, your subtext is clear to everyone. But it is not for you, the repainted city committee propagandist, to reproach those unfortunate people who were often taken prisoner of their own free will. And just such repainted ones went over to the side of the enemy - in words they were for Soviet power, shouting about it at rallies, and as soon as it came to their personal skin, they immediately forgot about their "beliefs."
          So you are not the measure of decency when assessing our ancestors - better translate foreign articles, it suits you more in spirit, the more money drips ...
  4. -6
    23 June 2021 07: 10
    for the whole idea of ​​an unprepared offensive in East Prussia was beyond common sense
    in the name of common sense, it was carried out and common sense won: France, thanks to the Russian offensive, survived and bore the brunt of the war and losses.

    WHAT would have been otherwise - see. loss of territories and people in the Second World War
    there were no regiments there to nobody... And the authorities of the Empire - all the more, too much memory turned out to be uncomfortable. As a result, it is possible that it was for these reasons that in 1916 the regiments were restored

    restored to ... forget? Where is the logic?
    Restore just to remember

    The only cross on cover photo put already in the XXI century

    and where is that cover photo?
    And I catch myself on heretical thought (although why on heretical, look at Ukraine at least) - change the government, and local officials will do the same with monuments that the war


    It was not the officials who demolished the monuments of ALL the history of Russia (and not just the WWI).

    Exactly anti-Russian government demolished ALL the monuments and cemeteries of the WWI (so as not to remind of her betrayal) and blew up the main monuments of the OV 1812 Borodino, Moscow, Vladimir, etc., the tombs of Pozharsky and Minin, Nakhimov and Bagration, Lazarev and Radetsky, monuments to Catherine the Great and Alexandra, etc. and so that the Russians forget about their great History.

    It is unlikely that this can happen again
    For all the tragedy of that war, the resilience of the Russian soldier in 1914 was no worse than the steadfastness of their sons and grandchildren in 1941.

    just like that, they defended the Fatherland and did not let the enemy enter either the Volga or Moscow
    1. -3
      23 June 2021 13: 23
      "in the name of common sense, it was carried out and common sense won" is somewhat clumsy, but the essence is clear.
      The East Prussian operation is far from flawless, but it is also impossible to argue that it is incompetent. The whole trouble is the lack of interaction between Samsonov and Ranenkamf. If they had proper interaction, the results of the operation could not be so deplorable.
    2. +7
      23 June 2021 15: 00
      It was the anti-Russian government that demolished ALL the monuments and cemeteries of the WWI (so as not to remind of her betrayal) and blew up the main monuments of the 1812 war of Borodino, Moscow, Vladimir, etc., the tombs of Pozharsky and Minin, Nakhimov and Bagration, Lazarev and Radetsky, monuments to Catherine the Great and Alexander , and so on, so that the Russians forget about their great History.
      - another admirer of Bulkokhrust?
      My grandfather graduated from two classes of TsPSh. Therefore, it goes without saying that in 1915 he went to the front as a believer.
      In 1915 the tsar had no rifles for the army. Therefore, the warriors were armed with sticks with bayonets. In this regard, my grandfather was still lucky. Because their battalion was armed with primer guns of the Crimean War era. It was even possible to shoot from them ...
      When I was young, I perceived my grandfather's stories about primer guns in the First World War with some distrust. Where could they get them in 1915 ?! However, already at the age of rummaging through the historical literature, I found that even under Catherine the Great, the service life of a muzzle-loading rifle was determined at 100 years. Those. rifles of the Crimean War were supposed to lie in warehouses until 1956. The only thing that surprises in this story is where the tsar father got the capsules for them?
      Bullets were needed to cast round bullets. Catherine the Great did not say anything about them and they were not in the warehouses. Therefore, instead of bullets, the warriors were supplied with pieces of chopped lead, suitable in caliber. Before being sent to the front in the grandfather's battalion, they even conducted firing practice. In these firing sessions, the guns demonstrated a uniquely low stopping power and a complete lack of hitting accuracy. As a matter of fact, what else can you expect from shooting with chopped lead from a smoothbore gun?
      When firing, chopped lead howled in every way, causing the shooters to laugh Homeric. Therefore, the shooting gave rise to a bunch of anecdotes in the battalion. So, for example, the warriors argued whether a piece of lead would pierce the forehead through a hat with a cockade, or it would rebound. Then at the front, this laughter came out sideways to them.
      Before being sent to the front, the grandfather's battalion was treated kindly by the tsar's father himself, who presented the warriors with a huge icon of Seraphim of Sarov, driving away the bear with the sign of the cross. This allegory meant:
      Nafig you rifles! You must smash the enemy with the sign of the cross!

      The beauty of the donated icon was that it had a hefty baguette about 2x3 meters. There are no rifles or shells, the Germans are barreling, letting the gases go ... And in the middle of this bedlam, soldiers must carry on their ridge oak logs of the tsar's gift. Therefore, it is not surprising that an unknown artist supplemented the plot of the allegory with a neat pile of waste products under the reverend father.
      Despite the fact that this only made the picture more realistic, a platoon of gendarmes came to the front, and the battalion was dragged at night for interrogations for two months ... There was nothing for the other gentlemen officers to do at that time.
      The last point in the religious education of the grandfather was put by the regimental priest, who told his father to the commander in his presence:
      Do not spare your honor soldiers! They are like mud! Take care of yourself!
      My grandfather returned from the war as an atheist, although he did not shoot priests, he did not destroy churches and monuments. With such an upbringing, not only people like him, but also much more radical, there were millions.
      The only goal of Russia in the First World War was to die to the last for the interests of England and France. Therefore, starting in 1915, the rank and file no longer had any moral and patriotic motivation for the "war to a victorious end". In 1916, corporal punishment (flogging) was introduced to maintain discipline in the Russian army. As a result, in the course of this mediocre anti-Russian war, the Russian army was split into two fiercely hating camps: privates and Bulkokhrusts. At the same time, the Bulkokhrusts did not have any patriotism. In 1917-1920 they served with dog loyalty to all invaders, from the Kaiser to the Mikado, in 1941-1945 they served Hitler just as loyally.
      Through the efforts of the Bulkokhrusts, 70% of the population of Russia was illiterate. What did the workers and peasants know about the war of 1812? - Nothing! Therefore, the population absolutely did not give a damn about what the Bulkokhrusta were proud of. If we talk about modernity, then the First World War for Russia is the same source of pride as Perestroika and the Belovezhskaya Agreement. Since dedicated service to the interests of England, France and the United States is a matter of pride only for Bulkokhrust and their descendants.
      And now about the traitors and the "truly Russian" government.
      Quote from the book by Aron Simanovich “Rasputin and the Jews. Memoirs of the personal secretary of Grigory Rasputin ":
      For more than ten years I held a position in Petersburg that must be recognized as exceptional. For the first time in the history of Russia, a simple provincial Jew managed not only to get to the royal court, but also to influence the course of state affairs ...

      Before getting into favor with the queen, Grishka Rasputin was a whip. In Russia at that time, this was punishable by exile or hard labor. To convict Rasputin, the Chief Prosecutor of the Holy Synod had to conduct an investigation and deliver a verdict, which was difficult even for the tsar to reverse. The issue was resolved seamlessly. In 1911, the Jew Sabler (Zabler) was appointed Ober-Prosecutor of the Holy Synod. In 1905 Zabler was caught stealing in the service of the Chief Prosecutor of the Holy Synod K.P. Pobedonostsev and was expelled from the Synod. According to another version, Zabler was a secret Jew. In any case, he was ready to lick Rasputin's feet and the question of exile was no longer a question.
      A.I. Denikin "Essays on the Russian Troubles":
      ... But in Petrograd, in Tsarskoe Selo, a sticky web of dirt, debauchery, and crime was woven. True, intertwined with fiction, penetrated into the most remote corners of the country and the army, causing, where is pain, where is gloating. Members of the Romanov dynasty did not preserve the "idea" that the orthodox monarchists wanted to surround with an aura of grandeur, nobility and worship.

      Scandalous information about the support of the throne, the whip Grishka Rasputin, of course, reached the bottom. Therefore, according to the stories of the grandfather, the most exciting political issue among the comfrey was finding out the length of the genital organ of Grishka Rasputin. It was claimed that it could be expanded in length 30 gold. After such an anti-monarchist propaganda promoted by the tsar's father himself, is it necessary to be surprised that in February 1917 “Down with autocracy” everyone shouted: - from soldiers to generals, from peasants to grand dukes, from Social Revolutionaries to priests?
      1. -11
        23 June 2021 16: 19
        Quote: Old electrician
        another admirer of Bulkokhrusts?

        another thief-lover of the crunch of folk bones.
        Quote: Old electrician
        in 1915 he went to the front as a believer.
        In 1915 the tsar had no rifles for the army.
        .
        the granddaughter is well preserved ..
        lol
        da-Voroshilov ordered to arm the militia in 1941 lances and daggers- not even capsules were found
        Quote: Old electrician
        With such an upbringing, not only people like him, but also much more radical, there were millions.

        there were tens of millions of parishioners, and the "atheists" -Bolsheviks all strove to come to church before their death.
        Quote: Old electrician
        The only goal of Russia in the First World War was to die to the last for the interests of England and France.

        To defend the Fatherland was the goal, and millions of soldiers coped with this goal.
        Quote: Old electrician
        ... In 1916 to maintain discipline in the Russian army

        :

        detachments-were from the first day of the Second World War-see the documents of the Ministry of Defense, declassified for the 80th anniversary of June 22
        Quote: Old electrician
        Bulkokhrust did not have it. In 1917-1920 they served with dog loyalty to all invaders, from the Kaiser to the Mikado, in 1941-1945 they served Hitler just as loyally.

        More than a million faithfully served Hitler Soviet citizens led by ardent communists Vlasov-such in the history of the country has not yet been
        Quote: Old electrician
        Through the efforts of the Bulkokhrusts, 70% of the population of Russia was illiterate.

        only to restore the number of pre-revolutionary schools in Russia, thieves were able to go back to 1927, dropping the achievement of literacy for many years
        Quote: Old electrician
        What did the workers and peasants know about the war of 1812? - Nothing! Therefore, the population absolutely did not give a damn about what the Bulkokhrusta were proud of.

        everyone knew - thanks to the monuments, training and the celebration of the Victory Day over the French. your beloved tebily-do not count
        Quote: Old electrician
        If we talk about modernity, then the First World War for Russia

        you are no one with washed heads and call in any way to argue on behalf of Russia-what is important for her and what is not-hack yourself to -there.
        Quote: Old electrician
        Therefore, according to the stories of the grandfather, the most exciting political issue among the comfrey was finding out the length of the genital organ of Grishka Rasputin.

        for the granddaughter, this remains the most interesting issue in Russian history.

        And for normal people, the question will forever remain the same: WHAT kind of Russophobic people you had to be in order to demolish and plunder the main monuments of History, Glory and Culture of the Russian people
        1. +4
          23 June 2021 17: 04
          detachments-were from the first day of the Second World War-see the documents of the Ministry of Defense, declassified for the 80th anniversary of June 22

          It won't bother you to indicate in which document it can be seen?
      2. +1
        23 June 2021 21: 44
        Electrician, I read Fedorov's book: "In Search of Weapons", there are Ignatiev, Denikin, Zhukov, many authors on the net, but I have never seen anything about primer guns.
        About Sarovsky it is quite possible that Nikolashka was sure that the icon would help.
        About Rasputin 100% agree: he compromised, to put it mildly, the Romanovs
        1. 0
          27 June 2021 17: 52
          Quote: vladcub
          but nowhere have I seen about primer guns.

          I, too, somehow did not come across such memories, but the very fact of their presence in the inner provinces is admissible - they could be used as training for practicing bayonet fighting techniques in reserve regiments. Well, then a certain element of amateur performance is allowed, and someone fired from them, as we did from self-propelled guns. So if we look at history from this angle, then it could well have happened, but of course I cannot take seriously that they were sent to the front with such guns.
          1. 0
            28 June 2021 09: 15
            It is quite possible that they were used to train reservists and then as isolated cases.
  5. +2
    23 June 2021 07: 15
    Time erases everything. The phrase is stereotyped, but difficult to argue with.

    The question is that there are people who are not indifferent to the history of any town and person.
    And not everyone turns into "Ivanov, who do not remember their kinship."
    1. -1
      23 June 2021 09: 26
      Why is it important for a person not only to his current specific family, but it is important to realize that he is a part of something larger than his closest relatives, namely, to feel himself a part of the family? Because a genus is such a system of relations that allows one to feel much more confident than a person cut off from the genus, devoid of roots, rootless. At the same time, the roots are formed not only and not so much by living relatives, but also by those who have long gone into another world. The merits of the departed often turn out to be more significant than the living, and, having named their family name, a person receives from society much more privileges and indulgence than the rootless.
      Deprived of roots, a rootless lonely, weak and lost, he has to spend much more effort than a nobleman to take an equal position in society with the latter. Relying on the knowledge and experience of departed ancestors, their authority, the "well-born", other things being equal, achieves more in life than the "rootless", often through oppression, suppression of the latter. And, preserving the experience and knowledge of the ancestors, the "well-born" more successfully multiplies both, passing on the accumulated already to his descendants.
      The ancestral memory of the people is formed from specific tribal ties with the past of each individual person.
      The system was broken.
      It so happened that in our country, during the 20th and then the beginning of the 21st centuries, rootless officials gradually came to power who did not have ancestors worthy of the long-term memory of the people. And then, in order to maintain their personal reputation at the expense of momentary populist affairs, they put forward a slogan according to which children are not responsible for their parents, thereby nullifying not so much the unseemly deeds of their ancestors as their services to the country. But realizing the importance of the pedigree, and she, the importance of the pedigree, has not gone anywhere, they buy or invent lush pedigrees for themselves, thereby nullifying the merits of humble officers and soldiers who died in battles for the honor of the country. And in order not to look rotten against the background of true heroes, they, officials of all ranks, did and are doing everything to destroy the memory of the fallen, thereby turning the people into a crowd of rootless losers. Thus, raising the price of oneself and thus emphasizing their importance and indispensability.

      The people disagree. He is looking for his roots. At least the best part.
      1. +2
        23 June 2021 15: 56
        You can always start.

        Even if from yourself, then the third population will have something to remember.

        Although, looking deeper, you better feel the history through your ancestors.
        1. +2
          23 June 2021 16: 13
          History has done so much that looking deeply, I see nothing further than my grandfather on the one hand and great-grandfathers on the other.
          And what I see does not inspire inspiration. No one died by himself, from old age or illness.
          1. +2
            23 June 2021 18: 07
            Years of birth of grandfathers - 1906 and 1907 left more chances to survive in the Great Patriotic War.

            It is difficult to imagine what the maternal grandmother (born in 1919) drank.
            Wounds and contusions were measured in dozens.
            And this is not a figure of speech.
            1. +1
              23 June 2021 18: 34
              Well, my grandmother and great-grandmother from my mother’s side remained intact, like my grandmother from my father’s side - they passed the tests at evil times. But the male half of the ancestors ...
              Otherwise, being a woman is better. But it turns out that - a lonely woman. And there is no answer if this is better.
              1. +2
                23 June 2021 20: 34
                And apart from the phrase that everyone has their own Cross, you can’t say anything.

                Is there anything else to add:

                "Times do not choose" (s).
                1. +2
                  23 June 2021 21: 16
                  "They live and die ..."
                  What will people think about our time? Probably quite the opposite of what we are. At least half of the descendants.
                  1. +2
                    23 June 2021 22: 12
                    The question is what they will be. Differentiation between generations is already increasing.
                    1. +2
                      23 June 2021 22: 24
                      Is on the rise. And soon it will happen that society will be split into small groups that do not understand each other. Babylon?)))
                      1. +2
                        23 June 2021 22: 28
                        Babylon.
                        But we will find our social circle.

                        Over the next 15 years, he has been quite calm.
                      2. +2
                        23 June 2021 22: 32
                        I'm glad for you. And I understand why. I would be happy for myself, but I can't. And I also understand why. I carry the karma of my ancestors.
                      3. +1
                        23 June 2021 22: 47
                        You can't speak for yourself. Not so self-confident.
                        But someone from the social circle will definitely remain.

                        About the karma of the ancestors - a very subtle point.
                        I'm not at all ready to say what and how.

                        For some reason, the song "Iwashi" accompanies the conversation: "My dear".
                      4. +2
                        24 June 2021 14: 14
                        A modest chaste song accompanied by an inexpensive guitar playing is extremely touching. And the musical line impresses with the spirituality of hope.
                        But in the background - a monstrous sequence of modern vulgar eroticism, obsessively redundant, tasteless. I'll have to listen to it in a different performance.
                        Sergei, I read it yesterday, but did not answer - a confusion of heat.
                      5. +1
                        24 June 2021 16: 22
                        Iwasi has interesting songs. Field.
                      6. +2
                        24 June 2021 18: 17
                        "Field" is ... I will not guess. What do you mean?
                      7. +1
                        24 June 2021 18: 50
                        Those that are written on the road. And about the road.
                      8. +2
                        24 June 2021 19: 26
                        The most sincere. Not for the public, but as if for himself and for himself. Now it is clear.
                        The best poems and songs are when to yourself. Trite, but true. No one has come up with anything that could hurt a stranger more than a feeling coming from the heart. Whatever it is. An artificial construct, skillfully made according to a recipe, has a short life in its memory.
                      9. +1
                        24 June 2021 21: 07
                        Конечно.

                        “Scar your delicate skin,
                        To caress other people's souls with the blood of feelings ”(c).
                      10. +2
                        24 June 2021 22: 20
                        And ... In general, I am a naturally shy person, squeezed me)))
                        The above quote still hits the nerves with a kind of expressive frankness that is inappropriate for people like me. Yes, if I'm not mistaken, this is from there, but ... Intelligence requires half-tones, half-hints, some of which, supplemented by imagination, create a much stronger picture than expression, which, by its exorbitantness, excludes the co-authorship of the listener and, moreover, scares him away. It turns out creativity only for yourself. Not many are capable of prying. Yes, here I have an objection. Well, someone will suit and even seem modest. To the masochist wassat )))
                      11. +1
                        25 June 2021 01: 15
                        Yes. Yesenin could be surprised.
                      12. +2
                        25 June 2021 06: 00
                        That is why Mayakovsky is close to me. He is about himself through the horse.
                      13. +1
                        25 June 2021 06: 24
                        And these are two voices of the same time.
                      14. +2
                        25 June 2021 06: 49
                        But how different! The Russian village is not close to me. No village is close to me. I am not an apologist for her kindness, or her malice, and even more so for her frankness and aimless, not puzzled by useful anguish.
                      15. +1
                        25 June 2021 07: 34
                        And Yesenin walked around Moscow. And I reached almost to Shiraz.

                        You can probably feel what the village was like at that time.
                        Not a visit to Konstantinovo.

                        And the memory of ancestors, wells, cranes and scythes, fields with spikelets, the forest outside the outskirts.
                      16. +2
                        25 June 2021 12: 46
                        Such a memory exists in me too, but it does not evoke a warm attitude. The wild, deserted nature of Chukotka and the Far East, where I was alone with myself, is mine. Real people do not evoke the feeling of a homeland. They evoke an understanding of what should be, otherwise there will be no country.
                      17. +1
                        25 June 2021 15: 07
                        I have the Far East - in fits and starts, but always delightful.
                      18. +2
                        25 June 2021 16: 57
                        The main thing is to have sensations. When they are not there, there is no life. It’s so hot that I’m exactly in this state. Which cannot be called otherwise than the absence of life. Maybe it finally became clear to me that I was in hell? Well, or hell periodically manifests itself, seems to be.
                      19. +1
                        25 June 2021 21: 57
                        Not. It's too good: freedom of movement, freedom to get into the bath. A selection, again, of soft drinks.
                      20. +1
                        25 June 2021 23: 02
                        A free man, a slow gourmet, casually addressing the sommelier: - Do you have any kvass? .. Why is it so weak? I am disappointed...
                        drinks wassat ))))
                      21. +1
                        25 June 2021 23: 28
                        Those who drink kvass do not always need a sommelier.
                      22. +1
                        26 June 2021 00: 01
                        Well, the sommelier does not need such clients! How many people in the world do not need each other. Here I, for example, do not need the services of the yacht personnel. And it didn't even bother me.
                      23. +1
                        26 June 2021 05: 10
                        Never stepped on board a yacht. Education gap.

                        But this does not mean that I would have given up the conditional brigantine.
                      24. +1
                        26 June 2021 07: 43
                        My vestibular apparatus is no longer good for anything. After last year's illness. I will even give up the brigantine. And so - on many points. Over time, a person voluntarily abandons many things, wanting to keep life. And only life itself is something that is rarely given up on a voluntary basis. But she leaves anyway. It is not something that can be withheld or given voluntarily. Like any thing, it has an expiration date.
                      25. +1
                        26 June 2021 09: 39
                        I feel good about the pitching of the sea. However, there was not much of it.
                      26. +1
                        26 June 2021 11: 27
                        Pitching at sea or in life is not what attracts me.
      2. +1
        24 June 2021 13: 36
        Relying on the knowledge and experience of departed ancestors, their authority, the "well-born", other things being equal, achieves more in life than the "rootless", often through oppression, suppression of the latter.

        Well, this is when the family is noble and rich. The "pedigree" of the ignorant and the poor will in no way help to avoid oppression and suppression due to the lack of nobility and wealth. Now is not a feudal era, so that knowledge of the genealogy somehow influenced a person's life.

        It so happened that in our country, during the 20th and then the beginning of the 21st centuries, rootless officials gradually came to power who did not have ancestors worthy of the long-term memory of the people.

        And who are these "ancestors worthy of the long-term memory of the people"? Is it not the imperial family, counts, princes and other aristocracy, which in fact parasitized on the people with rare exceptions?
        And the rootless officials of the 20th and 21st centuries did not have any ancestors, or were they born by parents? And the fact that nothing was written about the ancestors of "rootless people" does not mean that these ancestors did not exist.
        Well, these "rootless officials of the XNUMXth century" made the USSR an advanced country in economic, scientific and military terms, one of the most influential countries in the world, a country of universal literacy with a million scientists from the illiterate Russian Empire, the first space power, dramatically reduced mortality, have outlived centuries-old diseases such as typhoid, cholera, etc.
        And people with worthy pedigrees talked about the divine nature of the tsar's power, adopted decrees about cook's children and were afraid to educate their citizens, fearing for their rights and privileges.

        The people disagree. He is looking for his roots. At least the best part.

        The people (at least the best part of them) need the availability of good education, good health care, normal jobs and working conditions, time for education and self-development, justice in the end. To have the conditions and programs of the so-called. "investment in human capital". Knowing the roots is good, but this is the past, you cannot create a future out of it.
        1. 0
          26 June 2021 11: 30
          Dear Colleague!
          You have raised a very serious question, the answer to which can be given by the polemic to the article "Power and People". There is no such thing on VO.
  6. +5
    23 June 2021 09: 13
    It would seem that the author set himself the most noble goal - to describe the heroism of Russian soldiers on the battlefields of the First World War. This is a worthy goal, since after the historian Oleinikov left the site of the historian Oleinikov, the theme of the First World War was completely forgotten and the author's attempts can only be welcomed.
    But the quality of the attempts is disappointing. One gets the impression that the heroism of Russian soldiers is only a background for another propaganda campaign on the hackneyed theme that
    "The whole undertaking with an unprepared offensive in East Prussia was beyond common sense and had only one goal - to pull off part of the German troops from the Western Front."

    On February 21 (March 5), 1912, at a meeting of the highest generals of the empire, mobilization schedule No. 19 was approved, which provided for the advancement of military formations to the western borders to start offensive operations in two diverging directions: in the north-west against Germany and the south-west against Austria-Hungary without waiting for the completion of the general mobilization. There were two scenarios - "A" and "D".
    According to option "A", which became a guide to action in the event that Germany sent the main forces against France, leaving only a few corps in the east to cover the border with Russia, Austria-Hungary became the main enemy. Then against her in the Southwest strip
    front on the line Ivangorod - Lublin - Kholm - Dubno - Proskurov, the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 8th armies were concentrated, and against Germany on the Shavli-Kovno line - the Neman, Narev and Western Bug rivers, the 1st and the 2nd Army - the best in terms of personnel and weapons.
    Plan "D" entered into force on condition that Germany chose to throw the bulk of the troops on
    fight with Russia. In accordance with it, in addition to the 1st and 2nd, the 4th Army was also sent to the German front. However, according to the officers of the GUG III and the headquarters of the border districts, the second scenario of the future campaign was considered as the least likely.
    And if you look at the detailed analysis of the course of the East Prussian operation presented in this book, then in accordance with plan "A" the Russian command acted.

    Moreover, the German command assumed such actions of the Russian army, and Schlieffen worked out detailed plans for response actions, implemented in 1914.
    1. +4
      23 June 2021 13: 07
      Vic. Nick, good afternoon. I agree with you: without Oleinikov, the theme of WWI is "forgotten".
      I am far from delighted with the author after Oleinikov is heaven and earth. Unfortunately, the site is getting poorer in interesting authors. In fact, "History" is supported by 2-3 authors. It is sad
      1. +4
        23 June 2021 13: 21
        I'll tell you more - this today's publication is an inferior plagiarism of an article by AE Shalygin, a student of the Bryansk gymnasium No. 3, which he presented for participation in a student scientific conference.
        In a decent society, it is customary to indicate the source, but this, obviously, is not for site authors.
  7. BAI
    +4
    23 June 2021 09: 22
    Pikul has written on this subject in "The Honor".
  8. +2
    23 June 2021 10: 55
    Everything is correct, both in the comments and in the article.

    We must remember. But monuments do not bring profit.
    1. +1
      25 June 2021 00: 22
      Everything is correct, both in the comments and in the article.

      We must remember. But monuments do not bring profit.


      Monument to Russian WWI soldiers in Kaliningrad (formerly Konigsberg).
      We remember, and the monument was not erected for the sake of profit ..
      For the memory.

  9. +2
    23 June 2021 11: 26
    Why did I start talking about the importance of ancestral memory?

    And I catch myself on a heretical thought (although why on a heretical one, just look at Ukraine) - change the power, and local officials will do the same with the monuments of that war, because there is nothing to spend money on stupidity - the monuments are not profitable.


    For colleagues, the vicissitudes of battles, specific details of military operations are important. For me - the memory, which is mentioned in the passage taken from the article of the esteemed Author.
    These soldiers and officers - they were not and did not become the basis of the ancestral memory of the ruling political elite of tsarist Russia. For the tribal connection of this elite rested on the ruling houses of Europe, and therefore had to fulfill obligations to it. The people of Russia were perceived as a faceless mass of aborigines with certain national characteristics. And now the royal court is arranging a magnificent masquerade, for which the grand duchesses and other aristocrats are dressed in the national costumes of various provinces of Russia. That's all!
    And the names of the fallen regiments? Banner? Yes Easy! Let us restore it and throw it now against the "faceless, rootless mass."

    The connection that arises between officers and soldiers in heavy battles, sealed by the heroism of each, stained with their blood and death, often crumbled in everyday life. If in the West the address "mister", "monsieur" or "herr" was applied equally to a homeless person and an important person, then until now in our life the overwhelming majority of bosses, civilian and military, refer to their subordinates as "you" the connection of our people. This is where the roots of the loss of people's memory stem from.
    1. +3
      23 June 2021 12: 16
      and what, from the fact that the bum is called "Herr or Monsieur" at once his stomach is full, the clothes have been updated? Or if the proletarian was called "mister" or something else he was immediately added to the salary. improved working conditions, etc.?
      the overwhelming majority of chiefs, civil and military, turn to subordinates on "you", thereby breaking the tribal bond of our people.
      I’ll say from my own experience - if an officer, turning to me, said - "Hey Voldemar! Why at night the temperature in the cockpit was +20 and not +18 as it should be?" Then I understood perfectly well that I had fought the joint, and I need to draw conclusions! But if the official charter for YOU began - "Military! I did not understand! Why during YOUR watch in the cockpit there was not a standard temperature" - then I understood - "That's it! Now it is turned inside with fur and stuffing the anus of cucumbers." What I mean - you shouldn't measure everything in categories !!!! The world and relations in it are much wider than the appeals between bosses and subordinates. And what does the national memory have to do with it?
      These soldiers and officers
      The officers seemed to be from the nobility! many even probably from ancient and respected families if that.
      1. +2
        23 June 2021 14: 01
        Wow, how I agree with that! I was a sergeant myself, I know firsthand what happens for polite appeal! soldier
  10. -1
    23 June 2021 12: 08
    but in the spirit of exposing the crimes of tsarism, no one was concerned with regiments there.
    and what, they were not? And Russia "blossomed and smelled" as I understand it, until the "damned Bolsheviks" came?
  11. +6
    23 June 2021 12: 33
    The 143rd Dorogobuzh regiment and its commander were faithful to the military oath to the end, and the soldier's feat is always worthy of respect. They died even in 1613, at least 1914 or 1941, they were doing their duty.
  12. BAI
    +3
    23 June 2021 12: 53
    In 1939, a brochure entitled "The Germans about the Russian Army" was published in Prague in the publication of the Russian "Morskoy Zhurnal" - the communications organ of the ranks of the Russian Imperial Navy. Its author - a soldier of the World War, and in the thirties one of the leading military publicists in Germany - Walter Beckmann.
    few quotes:

    It was my duty of honor to dispel those misconceptions that are held partly in Germany about the old Russian Army, giving the concept of what it accomplished, of its exploits, as well as of the Russian soldier and his outstanding qualities ...
    Let what I have written fall into the hands of those who fought with us during the World War in the ranks of the glorious Imperial Russian Army ... This book is dedicated to them!


    Crowned with glory, the old Imperial Russian Army faded into eternity. Her proud traditions have disappeared. There are no monuments left to remind of her deeds. Over the unknown graves of those who fell in its ranks, forests rustle and the wind sings dirges.
    But the story of her victories is carved into the tablets of history with an iron chisel:
    Poltava, Kunersdorf, Borodino, Sevastopol, Port Arthur, Lutsk and a hundred other names shine with unfading light from the dusk of the past


    May we, German front-line soldiers, be allowed to give this praise to the old Russian Army - a comrade-in-arms of former times, a valiant enemy in the World War.
    In memory of this honest enemy in the Great War, a German warrior lowers his sword, saluting
  13. +2
    23 June 2021 20: 07
    Glory, Glory, Glory
  14. -3
    24 June 2021 18: 26
    Was it worth saving the French at the cost of their lives? The French did not burn with gratitude, on the contrary, as the interventionists exploded into revolutionary Russia. And during the Second World War, many were recruited into the Nazi army completely voluntarily.
  15. 0
    29 August 2021 16: 59
    Spring has not come for them, not for them Don will spill over. Eternal memory to the Heroes.