Confrontation with Russia and China

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We have already written about the problems that have arisen in Washington in connection with the withdrawal of American units from Afghanistan in some detail. The loudly announced event, unexpectedly for the United States, turned into a serious headache for the Pentagon. It would seem that there is nothing easier than transferring units from one country to another, or, in general, returning them to the territory of the United States.

Let me remind you that the main official reason for the withdrawal of troops was announced that the tasks of the invasion were completed, and Afghanistan is quite capable of building a democratic state on its own. However, everyone understood that the conclusion was a forced measure. The protracted operation led to the fact that ... the enemy became stronger.



Operation Enduring Freedom began in October 2001. And it became the longest ever that the United States has ever led overseas.

And it costs a lot already. I'm not talking about dollars. And about the lives of Americans. With all the attempts to somehow protect their soldiers and officers from open clashes, the Americans lost about 2300 people in Afghanistan. And if we add more than 20000 "three hundredths" here, then the main reason for the withdrawal of troops becomes clear.

Unexpected Challenges Associated with Changing International Relations


When the withdrawal operation was planned, the main goal of the Pentagon was not the withdrawal of American troops from the region. The main goal was to withdraw the soldiers to a calmer country, where American soldiers would feel safe. But at the same time, the US army must be in tactical proximity to Afghanistan in order to be able to return in a short time if necessary.

It is clear that even a relatively small contingent of Americans located in a country is a guarantee that the United States has the ability to directly influence relations between countries in the region. Even Washington's declared enemies of America will think a hundred times before using military force against this military base. Simply because it will actually be a declaration of war on the United States.

So, traditionally, the region is in the zone of interests of all global players at once. There are the interests of the United States, there are the interests of the PRC, there are the interests of the Russian Federation. Central Asia is the navel of the Earth, through which the main routes connecting the East and West traditionally passed. If we add to this the large hydrocarbon deposits in neighboring countries, then everything falls into place.

What happened next?

And then what happened was that the American presidents, who had ruled the United States earlier, could not even dream in a nightmare. Money, especially the power of the world currency, military strength, competent diplomatic pressure and pro-American lobbies within countries - this is the basis for the success of the United States. They perfectly implemented the ancient principle of divide and conquer. They put pressure on China while Russia was silent. They pressed on Russia while China was silent.

But something went wrong.

Russia and China "unexpectedly" became friendly countries. The leaders of these states no longer use "diplomatic language" in answering journalists' questions; they speak directly about the friendship of the two countries and indicate that, in the opinion of the Americans, they are enemies of the United States with all the ensuing consequences. And the Americans cannot divide them. I think that in the near future this is the main task of American diplomacy.

China and Russia beautifully herded a donkey into a stall


We often talk about the intrigues of the Americans, who have learned to skillfully create situations when other countries do what the United States needs, while considering these actions to be a blessing for their states. They are truly masters of creating the “right international climate”. Moreover, even when the governments of these countries understand that everything turned out completely different from what they were told in Washington, it is no longer possible to return everything back.

Today in Central Asia we see a picture exactly the opposite. The Americans simply have nowhere to withdraw their troops. There are no countries in Central Asia that would be outside the spheres of influence of China or Russia. Moreover, there are no countries in Central Asia that would benefit from cooperating with the United States. The military power of Russia is comparable, and in the ground component it surpasses the US army. Economically, China is much more promising than the United States.

So, in total, these close neighbors are not inferior to the Americans. And the fact that they are neighbors becomes the main factor in the fact that quarreling with them is stupid. You can always ask a rich and strong neighbor for a loan or for help when "hooligans run over." And the guys from the "village behind the lake" may not be in time or get scared. Nothing personal, just a desire to survive and live a normal, calm life.

The American donkey himself fell into the same trap that he, along with the elephant, built for others for many years. As in a meat-packing plant. He has one open path - to the slaughter. Or stand still, or return, or go forward into the slaughter. And all these paths lead to failure. That is why the donkey "ia" will be heard now near the dragon's palace, now near the bear's den. Maybe someone will hear the plaintive donkey singing ...

American diplomacy is at an impasse


The situation I wrote about above took a long time to create. This is not to say that this was not seen in Washington. In the materials that were published by VO earlier, this was mentioned. True, the understanding was not advertised. Diplomacy doesn't like noise. For example, here's a quote from the May issue of The Wall Street Journal:

“According to a number of military and Biden administration officials, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are preferred, which border Afghanistan and could become a springboard for easy access. However, the significant Russian presence in the region, the expansion of the Chinese presence and tensions between these powers and Washington complicate plans to deploy bases in Central Asia. ”

There is a person in Russia whose words cannot be trusted, but must be believed. Simply because he possesses such a volume of information that even the president does not have. This man is the director of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, Sergei Naryshkin. A quote from his interview with the RIA News"I will give below:

"Obviously, when deciding to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, the United States government would not want to lose control over this territory and is hatching an intention to place at least some of the resources that they have today in Afghanistan, in neighboring countries."

This is for the information of the Americans. Guys, we all know perfectly well and "help" to solve this problem. For the benefit of Russia.

But there was one more thing for those whom we will help:

“We understand and even have information that such attempts are being made and will be made. And we very much hope that not only partners, but also allies in the Collective Security Treaty Organization will not agree to this. "

The Americans will pay special attention today to Kazakhstan. It is enough that the US Special Representative for Reconciliation in the Islamic Republic Zalmay Khalilzad is actively working in this country. During his visit, Khalilzad did not even hide the goals of the Americans. He actively pushed the Kazakh leader to conclude an agreement on a military base.

But, the prospects for such cooperation are rather vague. Good relations with both Russia and China are extremely important for Kazakhstan. It is not excluded that in the near future Nur-Sultan will even cool down relations with the EU for the sake of maintaining ties with China and the Russian Federation. Yes, the Kazakhs have little choice - a crane in the sky or ... exactly the same crane in their hands.

Subtotals


The United States today is faced with a problem that it has created itself. The confrontation with Russia and China led to the beginning of the systematic squeezing of the United States from Central Asia. The Middle East, where the US is strong enough, is the next stage.

The main task of US diplomacy today is to maintain influence in this region. By any means. But, the Chinese and Russians "knocked the chair out from under" Anthony Blinken and his subordinates. To be honest, I feel sorry for the American diplomats, accustomed to the fact that they are always "chief executives," as Zadornov said.

Having won, as the results of the NATO summit showed, in Europe, where the leaders of the countries easily “fell under Washington,” the Americans lost in Central Asia. And it is not yet clear how such a change in the alignment will affect international relations. Putin and Biden met for the first time as heads of state.

It is understandable that Biden was not a serious opponent for Putin in a one-on-one conversation. It seems to me that there was no such meeting. The collective Biden played against the Russian leader. But I think this option was calculated by us.

Let's look at the results of the meeting ...
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  1. +4
    18 June 2021 04: 13
    Collective Biden played against the Russian leader

    Perhaps ordinary people perceive this event at the level of avatars, but even they suspect that everything is collective there everywhere). Except for miscalculations, mistakes and stupidity, those are only personal))
    1. +12
      18 June 2021 07: 11
      Terrible low-grade propaganda, it is impossible to read without tears ...
      What is "victory in Central Asia" worth, victory for what? What can these impoverished Asian despotism give Russians in terms of raising incomes and / or increasing life expectancy? And the medals "for the expulsion of the United States from Central Asia" are neither cold nor hot.
      Well, about the "union" with the PRC. How do you envision negotiations between the progressive communists of the National People's Congress and the members of the State Duma? What can they have in common? Some for the people (communists), and others for themselves, on what principles the communists will build relations with the capitalists of the third world power. laughing
      Yes edrosy will never go for it.
      1. +11
        18 June 2021 07: 22
        ... The fact that Biden in the face-to-face conversation was not a serious adversary for Putin, of course.

        What is the enemy? If there (at the meeting of the presidents) there was a struggle and, in the author's opinion, Putin defeated someone, then how is this victory expressed? Will the losers lift sanctions from Russia?

        In my opinion, on the contrary. Biden and Putin acted like friends at the press conference (as many noted). And there was the impression that they had agreed on something there.
      2. -1
        18 June 2021 11: 38
        The confrontation with Russia and China led to the beginning of the systematic squeezing of the United States from Central Asia ...

        There is no squeezing out, but ... an indentation.

        United States Negotiates With Central Asian Countries on the possibility of deploying troops withdrawn from Afghanistan on their territory. US Special Representative for Reconciliation in the Islamic Republic Zalmay Khalilzad announced this during his visit to Kazakhstan. According to him, Washington intends to preserve its military potential in the region.


        Source: https://russian.rt.com/world/article/872799-afganistan-amerika-armiya-centralnaya-aziya
      3. 0
        18 June 2021 21: 15
        What might they have in common? Some for the people (communists), and others for themselves, on what principles the communists will build relations with the capitalists of the third world power.


        They have a lot in common with the deputies in the Russian State Duma, they also think about the business structures that stand behind them. Well, the Chinese communists are communists on paper, but in reality, normal capitalists may, of course, in the future, they will become “real” communists.
      4. -1
        19 June 2021 01: 01
        In principle, the same Central Asian republics are quite understandable. If the Americans leave the region, they will find themselves face to face with the Afghan Taliban and other bearded thugs. And on whom then can they hope militarily. To China? The Chinese are excellent artisans and traders, but not warriors, at best they can make some money and throw in some equipment, but they will definitely not fit into the military plan, yes, to be honest, they do not know how to do this, the mentality is different etc. In short, you can't count on the Chinese. Well, what about the RF? Russia seems to know how (or rather knew how) to help militarily. And this region is not entirely alien to Russia, at least much closer to the same Syria. But after seven years of chewing by Russia, the discharge from the maxillary sinuses in the issue of the same Donbass and the rest of Ukraine, the authority of Russia as a reliable strategic partner in the military plan fell below the plinth. How can the same Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens, Kyrgyz and Kazakhs hope that Russia will help them in the event of an attack from Afghanistan, if for seven years Russia has not done anything to help its Russian brothers in Donbass? If someone wants to object to me that Russia is not obliged to help the Russians in Donbass because they are not its citizens, then in response I can object, the following. It is only in the modern Russian Federation that the separation according to the principle of friend or foe is based on the presence of a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation (if there is a passport, then the person is his own and he must be protected, and if there is no Russian citizenship, then he went to three well-known letters, and be he at least a hundred Since he is Russian by nation, this person cannot hope for any help from the Russian Federation). Well, in the aforementioned Central Asian countries, the definition of one's own is carried out primarily according to the principle of the nation, and secondly, according to the principle of religion, but the passport with citizenship is somewhere in the end of the second hundred. A Tajik will remain his own for other Tajiks if he has a dozen passports of other countries. Tajiks are absolutely not interested in this issue. So the Central Asians simply do not understand how such a supposedly huge and powerful Russian Federation could betray its own Russian brothers in Ukraine. So, the Central Asian republics really got into a shitty situation. There is no hope for Russia and China. But who could really help - the Americans are forced to leave the region at the request of the same Russian Federation ..
        1. 0
          19 June 2021 12: 04
          Russian Central Asia (Russian Central Asian) In principle, the same Central Asian republics are quite understandable. If the Americans leave the region, they will find themselves face to face with the Afghan Taliban and other bearded thugs.

          That's for sure. Uzbekistan twice entered the CSTO, as soon as it got "hot" on the Afghan border and left the CSTO when the threat to its security subsided ...
          And on whom then can they hope militarily. Russia seems to know how (or rather knew how) to help militarily. How can the same Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens, Kyrgyz and Kazakhs hope that Russia will help them in the event of an attack from Afghanistan ...

          Well, in general, first of all on yourself ... It is impossible for both proud and courageous peoples to be working in the Russian Federation and simultaneously demand that Russians die at this time for the houses they left ...
          Armenian migrant workers did not come to the war for Karabakh with Azerbaijan last year, we will see if Uzbek, Tajik and Kyrgyz migrant workers will come to the war with the "bearded men" ...
          At the moment, the CSTO from the Central Asian states of the former Union includes only three, the Russian Federation will help them within the framework of the CSTO, as in the 90s, and now it is strengthening the Armed Forces of the Republic of Tatarstan and the Kyrgyz Republic (since these states never took place, as self-sufficient), and Kazakhstan does not refuse gratuitous supplies, for example, the S-300 from the warehouses of the RF Armed Forces ...
          As for Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, they are currently non-aligned countries, with the Russian Federation they are connected only by migrant workers of them ...
          Of the 5 Central Asian states of the former Union, 4 are Turkic-speaking and during the conflict between Turkey and the Russian Federation in the SAR, they took a pro-Turkish or neutral position ...
          So Turkey will not abandon its fellows, especially since it is not going to leave the DRA itself ...
          Turkey is your savior ...
          .... RF? Russia seems to know how (or rather knew how) to help militarily.

          But, as I wrote above, only Tajiks, Kyrgyz and Kazakhs can count on it ...
          A Tajik will remain his own for other Tajiks if he has a dozen passports of other countries.

          Especially during the pandemic in the year when the governments of the Central Asian states of the former Union abandoned their citizens in the Russian Federation and on the Kazakh border ... saw them raging crowds at Moscow airports that year, during business trips ...
          Is Russia not doing anything to help its Russian brothers in Donbass?

          Despite the fact that the LPR and DPR (Donbass - Donetsk coal-industrial basin goes beyond Ukraine), the Russian Federation recognizes them as part of the territory of Ukraine, it helps them now (saves them from destruction) - financially, materially, politically, militarily .. ..
          If you have not been banned on Google, then you can find the total amount of Russian assistance spent on supporting the people's republics ...
          And the difference between the people's republics and the Central Asian ones is that in the former a huge percentage of the Russian-speaking population lives there, in contrast to the negligible one in the Central Asian republics ...
          So, the Russian Federation will fight ISIS and the Taliban only for those territories of Central Asian despotism that are of strategic importance for the defense of the Russian Federation itself ...
          1. -4
            19 June 2021 19: 43
            Well, let's point by point. And let's start with Donbass. Well, if you call this indistinct chewing of snot about the so-called "Minsk agreements" on the part of the Russian Federation and the continuing desire to shove the LPNR back into Ukraine "help from the Great Nuclear World Power", then what do you think is a betrayal? There are two options 1 Either this is a purebred one hundred percent betrayal of the representatives of his people. 2 Either it is not a Great Nuclear World Power, but some kind of garbage, an incomprehensible entity that cannot even be called a state. If initially they were not going to accept the republics into the Russian Federation, then why so many words were said about "Russian world", "Russians do not abandon their own", about Russians as the largest divided people on the planet "and other such beautiful words that, as it turned out When these words are uttered by the so-called Garant himself, (especially immediately after the events in Crimea), he must understand that these words from his lips are not just words, but to a very large extent a guide to action. the miners were led to this layout, they decided that the Great Nuclear World Power would really help them, carry out the operation Crimea2. to the rest of the leadership of the "Great Nuclear World Power of Russia", these words, all sorts of staff propagandists yell "We never promised you anything" and "We are helping you anyway, whatlittle? "So you exactly repeat the words that are so often said on TV. So, personally, you did not write anything new for me in your text, you just repeated other people's words, and if you have at least a drop of brains and conscience, you, deep down, understand that I am right. Well, if you don't understand, then God is your judge ..
            1. +1
              19 June 2021 22: 53
              Russian Central Asia (Russian Central Asian)Well, let's point by point. And let's start with Donbass. Well, if you call this indistinct chewing of snot about the so-called "Minsk agreements" on the part of the Russian Federation and the continuing desire to shove the LPNR back into Ukraine "help from the Great Nuclear World Power", then what do you think is a betrayal?

              And when the Russian Federation promised them the recognition of their independence and even more entry into the Russian Federation? Do not confuse your personal desires and the interests of the Russian Federation, if the Russian Federation would listen to the nonsense of evil members of the forum on VO, then half of Africa would have been part of the Russian Federation for a long time ...
              LDNR is part of Ukraine (for now, anyway) and the Russian Federation recognizes this fact, whether you like it or not ...
              In the 90s, the population (including the Luhansk and Donetsk regions) of Ukraine (where the percentage of the Russian-speaking population was even higher than now), with shouts and hooting at a referendum, voted for independence from the USSR, respectively, the population of Ukraine (as well as some others. republics of the Union) betrayed at least the BSSR and the RSFSR and did not want to build a single state with them, the population of these regions, like the whole of Ukraine, did not give a damn about two wars in the Caucasus, which was waged by the Russian Federation, terrorist attacks, incl. with the explosions of houses and the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, we were then strangers for the Ukrainians and we remain strangers now ...
              And if you have at least a drop of brains and conscience, you, deep down, understand that I am right. Well, if you don't understand, then God is your judge ..

              So the naive miners fell for this layout, they decided that the Great Nuclear World Power would really help them, they would carry out the operation Crimea2

              It was according to Soviet habit that they thought that Russia would do everything for them, Abkhazia and South Ossetia went to this for a long time and deserved their independence with arms in hand, not hoping for anyone in the wars with Georgia, the Russian Federation was forced to recognize their independence and only because of their threat destruction ...

              LDNR will never become part of the Russian Federation, they will be recognized as independent states, only if NATO WBs begin to appear on the territory of Ukraine ... then the territory of these republics will expand, but not because of naive miners, but because of for ensuring the Russian Federation's security ...
              The Russian Federation, like any normal country, owes nothing to anyone, except for those cases when something is beneficial to it or is an international obligation for it ...

              Unfortunately, the PMR is lost for the Russian Federation in the future, it has become a h.p. a bargaining chip for Crimea, but not for Ukraine, but for Romania ...

              I understand your attitude towards my country, so I consider further dialogue pointless ...

              PS
              According to the All-Ukrainian Population Census, in 2001, 4,8 million people lived in the Donetsk region., из которых 1,8 million people called themselves Russians, 2,7 million people called themselves Ukrainians, and also lived 78 thousand Greeks, 45 thousand Belarusians, 19 thousand Tatars, 15 thousand Armenians and small groups of representatives of other ethnic groups.
              According to the All-Ukrainian Population Census, in 2001, 2,5 million people lived in the Luhansk region., из которых about 1,5 million people called themselves Russians, 1,0 million people called themselves Ukrainians, and also lived 21 thousand Belarusians, 9 thousand Tatars and small groups of representatives of other ethnic groups.
              Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1564819585
              So the composition of the population of the LDNR, in contrast to the Crimea, is ambiguous ...
              1. 0
                20 June 2021 06: 37
                Well, that's about what I expected to hear from you. More or less accurate retelling of the text of regular Kremlin propagandists such as Vovchik Solovyov and others like him. So nothing new. As I already noted, you have no conscience or brains. With this approach, the Russian Federation can completely forget about any claims to at least some leading positions and authority in this world. Moreover, I think that Russia is unlikely to be able to remain within its current borders and will face further disintegration according to the principle of the USSR. It's sad. But nothing can be done, the fate of traitors is always shameful and unenviable.
                P.S. In order to justify betrayal, you can always find a bunch of smart and not so words. Make a lot of speeches and write a pile of paper. Only all this is the very fact of betrayal. will never cancel. Live with it as long as you can, but I don't have to answer. You are extremely unpleasant to me
                1. -2
                  20 June 2021 09: 15
                  Quote: Russian Central Asian
                  As I have already noticed, you have no conscience or brains.

                  I realized that you decided (and for the second time during our dialogue with you) to provoke me to insults against you and your family, but I will express myself in Putin's words: "Whoever calls his name by whom is called that" ... ... laughing
                  Neither you are the first, nor are you the last on the VO who from the hospital write all sorts of nasty things about good forum users and their country ... laughing
                  Russia is unlikely to be able to remain within its current borders and will face further disintegration along the lines of the USSR.

                  RF will catch a cold at your funeral ... angry
                  It's sad. But nothing can be done, the fate of traitors is always shameful and unenviable.

                  I guessed right, you write this nonsense clearly not from the front line ...
                  You are extremely unpleasant to me

                  I wrote "Russian" Central Asian, while writing two A4 pages to my comments .. ....
                  1. -1
                    20 June 2021 14: 14
                    Madame I already wrote to you. But you do not understand, you have to repeat it. In order to justify the betrayal, you can come up with and write a bunch of beautiful and clever words. And in your particular case, you can also bring a bunch of different links. All this is undoubtedly wonderful.))) But betrayal itself from this will not cease to be a betrayal. Here he betrayed the Russian people in Donbass, on May 7, 2014. And it will stay with him forever. No matter how much you personally and similar Kremlin propagandists try to justify him, he is one devil who became a Judas and will remain a Judas.
                    1. 0
                      20 June 2021 17: 27
                      Quote: Russian Central Asian
                      Here he betrayed the Russian people in Donbass, on May 7, 2014. And it will stay with him forever. No matter how much you personally and similar Kremlin propagandists try to justify him, he is one devil who became a Judas and will remain a Judas.

                      And who, then, are the three who arranged a funeral for the Union in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and "Tsar-Boris" did not care about the return of Crimea to the Russian Federation and did not insist on the second state Russian language in the Slavic republics of the former Union ...
                      And what do you think Putin should have done on May 7, 2014?
                      1. +3
                        20 June 2021 18: 03
                        But those three who in Belovezhskaya Pushcha signed an agreement on the division of the USSR, and in addition to a hump, (those who are still alive) need to make at least an Afghan red tulip, or come up with something more interesting (there are always options) , and then all that remains of them will be burned and the ashes will be sprayed over the states. And at least not to drag flowers to EBN's grave, (by the way, it would also be nice to get it out of the grave to burn it and scatter the ashes over the states ..
                      2. -3
                        20 June 2021 18: 15
                        Madame, on May 7, 2014, Vovochka was supposed to at least recognize the referendums in the LPR and sign a decree on their entry into the Russian Federation. Moreover, I think that this is not quite finished and that is exactly what I was going to do (at least, everything to this went), but then the President of Switzerland came with a speaking famillia Buchhalder, and within a couple of hours, what is called "on the fingers", he explained to himself what could happen with the accounts of his friends and with his personal account, if he suddenly took this step. At the joint drydown following the results of this meeting, it was a pity to see what the hell Iron Felix was like, a pile of incomprehensible substance slowly sliding down the wall. And this is a pancake Leader of the Great Nuclear World Power and concurrently the president of my country .. When I saw this on TV, I had, as they say, a "break in the template" occurred. You can watch it on YouTube, get a lot of new and unexplored sensations.
                      3. -1
                        20 June 2021 18: 36
                        Quote: Russian Central Asian
                        Madame, on May 7, 2014, Vovochka was supposed to at least recognize the referendums in the LPR and sign a decree on their entry into the Russian Federation.

                        Why the hell is he a part of the Russian Federation, it seems that until 2014 they lived well, judging by the houses (including destroyed ones) they have complete gasification with beautiful brick houses (luxury of the Union), in the neighboring Voronezh region, imported gas and black rickety huts (now the truth is less) ...
                        Citizens of Donetsk and Luhansk regions voted to leave the Union, they are dear there, and the consequences had to be calculated, I do not want the Russian Federation to turn into the RSFSR, about which all republics wiped their feet, milked like a cash cow and were also called her "breadwinners "....
                        VVP said that the people's republics of the Russian Federation will not leave one on one with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and "quickly kicks off his hooves" ...
                        If Ukraine and the Empireists want to solve the "Donbass issue" over tea, then the Russian Federation will recognize the republics as independent, and the entire Left-Bank Ukraine will become part of Novorossia ... becoming a buffer zone between the Russian Federation and NATO ...
                        The model of support for Novorossiya from the Russian Federation will be the same as that of the PMR, it will be dependent on the Russian Federation, but not being a part of the Russian Federation itself ...
                      4. -2
                        20 June 2021 18: 54
                        Madam, you just won't be able to understand me. I am a Russian nationalist. For me, all Russian people, wherever they live, they are all my brothers, and personally, I believe that one of the main raison d'être of RUSSIA is the protection of Russian people around the world. And if RUSSIA does not plan to do this, then for me it turns into some kind of erefefia, that is, an incomprehensible territory under the control of an incomprehensible person .. You write that you do not want RUSSIA to turn into something like the RSFSR, where all other nations are about Russian people wipe your feet? Well, ok, it happened a long time ago. The entire territory of the Russian Federation is divided between various Caucasian and Central Asian diasporas, and the representatives of these diasporas are precisely engaged in wiping their feet on Russians. Are you not aware of what happened recently in the same Novosibirsk? Well, this is already happening everywhere. And the Novosibirsk story became known only because hot Azerbaijani guys ran into the Russian cop there. Damn it survived.
                      5. -1
                        20 June 2021 19: 16
                        Quote: Russian Central Asian
                        I believe that one of the main reasons for the existence of RUSSIA is the protection of Russian people around the world.

                        All the "brotherly" peoples who saved the Republic of Ingushetia / the USSR from destruction in the 19-20th centuries. either they are already in NATO, or they dream of getting there ...
                        And if RUSSIA does not plan to do this, then for me it turns into some kind of erefefia, that is, an incomprehensible territory under the control of someone who does not know.

                        I believe that Russia should first of all care about the welfare and security of its citizens, and not citizens of foreign states (pretending to be Russians) at the expense of the citizens of the Russian Federation ...
                        The Russian Federation should take care and enjoy itself and its citizens, and not be an eternal peacemaker, whom the saved then spit in the back ...

                        We have different ideas about the structure of the Russian Federation and its goals for success ...
                        Therefore, the dialogue is meaningless, although many things about which you write I share ...
                2. -2
                  21 June 2021 11: 29
                  Russian Central Asian, you know what infuriates me in some of Solovyov's statements? .. The fact that Vladimir Soloviev has never been to Ukraine. Although, in general, I respect him as an intelligent and educated person. But I think that at least sometimes, expressing his point of view about the events in Ukraine, he should say that he was not there, but in his opinion certain events are taking place. Otherwise, he is sometimes right.
                  1. 0
                    21 June 2021 11: 56
                    Well, I think that if I start listing everything that annoys me with nightingales, the list will be quite long. A rare bastard.
                    1. +2
                      21 June 2021 12: 20
                      I understand you))) The main thing is, do not worry and keep in mind that journalism is "one of the oldest professions.") Probably, like politics.
                      1. +1
                        21 June 2021 17: 32
                        Well, that's just understandable. It’s just that some people suggest that he should be considered the Conscience of the nation "and the Voice of the Russian people." Although where he is and where are the Russian people.
                      2. 0
                        21 June 2021 21: 34
                        In this, I agree, completely!
      5. -1
        19 June 2021 10: 09
        What these beggars Asian despotism can give

        Well, what about the millions of guest workers who are so actively imported to Russia by the beloved guarantor?
      6. -2
        19 June 2021 11: 26
        Quote: Civil
        What might they have in common? Some for the people (communists), and others for themselves, on what principles the communists will build relations with the capitalists of the third world power.

        The Chinese communists ceased to be them before the Soviet ones, and the CCP itself is communist in name only, like communist China ...
        And when the PRC became a highly developed country, I did not notice it in the GXNUMX ...
      7. -1
        20 June 2021 17: 00
        Quote: Civil
        Creepy low-grade propaganda, it is impossible to read without tears

        There used to be Kamenev, now Staver. Low-standard natives of the EP, when will they run out already.
      8. 0
        21 June 2021 14: 23
        Bravo. Once again, the red pensioners (life expectancy should be raised), oil instead of cannons, acted as a united formation. Why do we need an army in Syria, they would add pensions !!!! United Russia is bad, the Chinese communists are good. CHINESE COM MOUNIST ???? Are you serious? Da Xi Jin Ping is much farther from Lenin than even our Zyuganov1 But you are great. So to cheat on the pluses of our veterans at the same time is very professional, my congratulations.
    2. -3
      18 June 2021 20: 30
      Quote: Olddetractor
      Collective Biden played against the Russian leader

      Perhaps ordinary people perceive this event at the level of avatars, but even they suspect that everything is collective there everywhere). Except for miscalculations, mistakes and stupidity, those are only personal))

      Yes of course negative .. Commoners, this is in the USA and Europe, but in Russia, the province of the pitchfork has been sharpening all of you for a long time ... You teach us here, but not all of ours have come out on the Internet yet .. hi Otherwise they would have painted you here. wink

      The memory of the Russian people cannot be killed, with your tik tokas and bloggers ...

      I am emotionally men, but this howl got the libers of all stripes .. negative
  2. +2
    18 June 2021 04: 16
    In short, as always with this author, Russia again outplayed America. True, this time at least a couple of the Chinese "put the American donkey in the stall." I'm still waiting - when will these constant Putin victories affect the welfare of the country and the people?
    1. 0
      18 June 2021 04: 56
      Are you normal ??? What does the welfare of the country have to do with it ??? These games were before Putin and will be after. This is the security of the country. Her global interests. Not Putin. Countries. Or will your leaders not do this? Then why did they surrender to the country at all?
      1. -3
        18 June 2021 05: 08
        Cho hysteria, then? Where do I deny the existence of "games"? Yes, they were, are and will be, since they are part of geopolitics. But I can't see where Putin, even together with the Chinese, "put the American donkey in the stall." The article is another jingoistic patriotic fantasy from this author. And empty jingoistic patriotism against the background of the continuing (lately - at an ever more rapid pace) decline in living standards can cause nothing but irritation. So, as N. Fomenko used to say, fewer emotions, more emissions. Or maybe he never said that, but in any case it won't hurt you to delve deeper into the meaning of the posts to which you are responding.
        1. -9
          18 June 2021 05: 13
          Vkm wrote everything in more than detail. Can you refute with the facts?)
          1. +6
            18 June 2021 05: 20
            What exactly to refute? That the Americans have problems with the withdrawal of the contingent? So it's not a secret. But where is Putin's merit here? Where is the stall in which he put the American donkey? And this stall is not. All the problems amerikoni brought themselves. Putin was not even listed as an assistant there.
            1. -5
              18 June 2021 05: 52
              Yeah ... Try to read the text carefully.
        2. -3
          19 June 2021 01: 15
          I agree, since our talking TV heads have been glorifying our greatest and deeply respected LEADER for the last few years (I can't call him president, because the presidency is still a selective one with a limited number of attempts to get elected). I don’t even remember in the days of Dear Leonid Ilyich.
    2. +4
      18 June 2021 07: 44
      Quote: Dalny V
      I'm still waiting - when will these constant Putin victories affect the welfare of the country and the people?

      His victories always affect the well-being of the people, though only from the Forbes list,
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  3. +8
    18 June 2021 04: 41
    The author is trying very hard to pass off wishful thinking. His "patriotism" is ahead of common sense.
    1. +7
      18 June 2021 09: 59
      Quote: Tucan
      The author is trying very hard to pass off wishful thinking. His "patriotism" is ahead of common sense.

      That's right. China and Russia - that, Russia and China - that ... Interesting: China is aware that it has such a zealous friendship with Russia, and not using the current political situation to strengthen itself and only itself?
  4. +10
    18 June 2021 05: 51
    And the Americans cannot divide them.
    Of course, there is such a huge market for Chinese goods, resources, technologies. The Chinese are not stupid to refuse such a market. Nothing will interfere with Russian-Chinese friendship, fastened with Chinese nails and other household trifles. smileEarlier, the USSR imported galoshes to China, now China is importing its own on the basis of Soviet galoshes.
  5. +5
    18 June 2021 05: 54
    About the fact that China and the Russian Federation "sawed" the countries of Asia among themselves is unexpected. request
    Not such a problem for Americans. They may not go away with the "headset", but "crawl like cockroaches": the Baltic states, Poland, ... Ukraine. Instead of an Afghan viper, they can increase their "influence" in the decent Far East. "No one will refuse a cowboy," even the former "SSRs" of Central Asia.
    ps It would be better if these "donkeys" continued to guard the "lunar landscape" in Afghanistan.
    1. -10
      18 June 2021 06: 44
      smile
      Quote: samarin1969
      "crawl like cockroaches": the Baltic states, Poland,

      Which means the loss of leverage in Central Asia ...
      1. +8
        18 June 2021 06: 53
        Quote: domokl
        smile
        Quote: samarin1969
        "crawl like cockroaches": the Baltic states, Poland,

        Which means the loss of leverage in Central Asia ...


        Duc ... Americans are more "influencing" through money access to markets. For Asian regimes, this is more important than bases. Whoever feeds "Kyrgyzstan" will continue to "dance". Most Asian countries have imbalanced trade and budgets. Even Kazakhstanis are not particularly "sovereign" here.
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      3. -9
        18 June 2021 15: 44
        Quote: domokl
        Which means the loss of leverage in Central Asia ...

        It's funny, but after reading your article I was sure that those activists - that they flock like flies to ... honey on certain topics and that since the day before yesterday they have been smashing the insidious Ketai in the comments to the previous article about China and Russia, prove that the Chinese are bad fake communists , selfish imperials who want to enslave the whole world, Russia and the Russians, including, who are hated for atrocities and pogroms, that they are not allies and should be feared, will come here and pogrom your article. Even American President Biden, who also hates Chinese people and also dreams of breaking the Russian-Chinese alliance, was much more restrained at the Geneva meeting with Putin and only cautiously hinted to Putin about the harmfulness of Russian-Chinese friendship. Where to Biden to VO activists! laughing But, to my surprise, there are not many of them here. Maybe for now? lol

        And I liked your article! Thank you! With the exception of a few inaccuracies and controversial (in my opinion) points, it correctly describes the new trends in Central Asia and geopolitics. And - which is important - it does not agitate, like the Americans and some of their Russian allies of the same thinkers with the VO, not very friendly, trusting and generally getting closer to the insidious Chinese and China who only dream of enslaving gullible Russians (to separate for the good and joy of America / West lol lol lol ).
    2. -1
      18 June 2021 07: 49
      Quote: samarin1969
      It would be better if these "donkeys" continued to guard the "lunar landscape" in Afghanistan

      It's like that. And I would agree with you if there was no heroin trafficking from Afghanistan to Russia. And the Americans only contribute to this.
      1. -3
        19 June 2021 01: 25
        And you just try to remember the moment when the Russian Federation itself, exactly what it itself, refused to guard the Tajik-Afghan border, and itself, planned to renounce all its influence in Central Asia. Believe me, this happened not at all at EBN, but several years later. Why did the leadership of the Russian Federation need it - there is a great secret.
        1. -2
          20 June 2021 09: 50
          Quote: Russian Central Asian
          Just try to remember the moment when the Russian Federation itself, exactly what it itself, refused to guard the Tajik-Afghan border,

          Was the record already stuck in the same comment THREE TIMES in this thread? Or you just do trolling by deceiving kind and trusting members of the forum with your lies ...
          Until the fall of 1992, the borders of the Central Asian state were absolutely transparent and symbolic. The newly minted authorities relied on a military confrontation with the opposition, where they think about the residents and the border. Only former Soviet border guards continued to hold the Tajik-Afghan border. However, the confusion and timelessness that began forced many of them to leave the hardest watch.
          Mid August 1992, at the official level, created the Border Group of the Federal Border Service in Tajikistan (PG FPS of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Tajikistan), Russian border guards have already interceded to guard the troubled borders.
          In May 1993, Russia and Tajikistan signed an Agreement on the legal status of the Russian border troops in the Republic of Tajikistan for period of ten years.
          ...... the border between the Republic of Tatarstan and Afghanistan was reliably blocked by a double line of defense, where on the first level stood the PG FPS of the Russian Federation and Tajik border guards, and the second echelon was closed by the soldiers of the 201st Russian motorized rifle division.
          The Agreement, signed in 1993, provided for the phased transfer of border control to Tajik troops.
          November-December 2002 was the time of the changing of the guard on the section of the Tajik-Chinese border. And at the end of 2004, under the control of the Tajik border guards, they surrendered the rest of the section of the border with Afghanistan going through the Pamirs. This section is in the area of ​​responsibility of the Ishkashim and Khorog border detachments.
          The border was completely transferred by mid-2005 - then the Moscow and Pyandzh sections of the Tajik-Afghan border, the Lyaur training and training center and the center of the Border Administration of the FSB of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Tajikistan were transferred to the department of border guards of Tajikistan. The border guards of the Republic now owned all Soviet outposts, centers and buildings in the capital with the property of the PG RF.

          Without extending the 1993 Agreement, Dushanbe was forced from the knee to write a new strategy for protecting the hot border, which required many years of development.

          https://anna-news.info/tadzhiko-afganskij-kordon-kak-ustareval-kontrol-i-dryahlela-sistema-bezopasnosti/

          The text of the Agreement itself, see link:
          https://base.garant.ru/1119516/

          And as a rule, the drug mafia had no complaints about the Tajik border troops. Several times the president of the republic shuffled the leadership of the committee for the protection of the state border of Tajikistan, removed some, appointed others, but by and large it made little difference. In the poor border villages, real palaces grew up, which, according to the stories of local residents, belonged to the heads of Tajik border posts. As soon as the Russian green caps left the next section of the border, then, by a strange coincidence, palaces grew up in these places.
          But among those who welcomed our departure are American allies. They, in fact, were the initiators of the big shift at the border. According to unofficial information, the United States feared extra, read, Russian, eyes and ears during the counter-terrorist operation in Afghanistan. Therefore, Tajikistan was promised all kinds of assistance, so long as it guarded its borders. Over the past three years, the United States has allocated over $ 9 million to Tajikistan for border protection.
          The situation when a foreign state guarded the borders of a sovereign neighbor was unique. And our task force and powerful intelligence apparatus remains in Tajikistan. So we will have the information, and this is the main thing. "In addition, Russia is not losing its military presence in the region (there remains a military base plus a task force, plus a space observation center), or friendly relations with Tajikistan.

          And the Russian border service now has the only grouping abroad, guarding foreign borders and geopolitical interests. This is a group in Armenia. No withdrawal is expected there yet.

          https://rg.ru/2005/07/13/tadjikistan.html
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            1. -1
              20 June 2021 14: 43
              Quote: Russian Central Asian
              The Russian Federation itself took and handed over the protection of the Tajik-Afghan border into the hands of the Tajiks. And the question is, why the hell is the Russian Federation now whining that the drug flow from Afghanistan has increased?

              It seems that I specially highlighted the text in my comment, and so I repeat it again:
              1. In May 1993, Russia and Tajikistan signed an Agreement on the legal status of the RF border troops in the Republic of Tajikistan for a period of ten years.;
              2. The Agreement, signed in 1993, provided for the phased transfer of border control to Tajik troops.;
              3. Without extending the Agreement of 1993, Dushanbe was forced from the knee to write a new strategy for the protection of the hot border
              The parties to the Agreement - the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tajikistan, the Republic of Tatarstan did not renew the said Agreement for a new term (it has the right to do so, since the border of the Republic of Tajikistan with the DRA is part of the territory of the Republic of Tajikistan, and not the Russian Federation), in connection with which the FPS of the Russian Federation had to leave the Republic of Tajikistan. ...
              It seems that everything is clear to everyone and gave a link to the Agreement, and you are all trolling, there are no arguments, pass by, if you are sick ... and you can’t do anything except trolling ...
          2. -1
            20 June 2021 17: 52
            Madame, I understand everything about these agreements, I don’t understand anything else, why did the leadership of the Russian Federation fulfill these agreements? Doesn't Vovchik have normal analysts who could explain to him that the protection of the Tajik-Afghan border by Tajik border guards is all fiction, and as soon as our border guards dump from there, the flow of drugs into the Russian Federation will instantly increase significantly. really so dumb that he couldn't figure it out? Here what for, he removed our border guards from there. Did the Tajiks not want to extend this agreement? Well, why couldn't Vovochka explain to Rakhmonov his real place in the food chain? If the gut itself is thin, then it was necessary to ask my ex-brigade commander Colonel Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov. He would fly to Dushanbe and explain to Rakhmonov on his fingers who he is in this life, but in this life he is an ordinary collective farm chairman, whom Dad raised from the mud and put the Tajik president in this very place. But for some reason Vovchik did not do this, from which it is quite possible to conclude that Vovchik himself, personally, is somehow interested in increasing the flow of drugs into the Russian Federation. So who is he after that?
            1. -1
              20 June 2021 18: 19
              Quote: Russian Central Asian
              I don’t understand anything else, why did the Russian leadership fulfill these agreements?

              Were we supposed to occupy Tajik territory along the border with the DRA? Why? To make our soldiers die on it?
              The Russian Federation had enough time to equip the Russian-Kazakh border in engineering and technical terms and deploy border units of the Federal Border Guard Service of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation there, like in Crimea, sooner or later it will still have to be done ... Ukraine .....
              The need made the entire Russian border with Georgia and Azerbaijan equipped and covered with the FSB of the FSB of the Russian Federation ...
              We have abolished drug control, and here you are the Tajik-Afghan border ...
              Doesn't Vovchik have normal analysts who could explain to him that the protection of the Tajik-Afghan border by Tajik border guards is all fiction?

              He understands everything without analysts, as a former officer of the KGB of the USSR / FSB of the Russian Federation ...
              From the outside, all the analysts here ...
              my former brigade commander Colonel Kvachkov Vladimir Vasilyevich ask

              I would immediately say that you are his adherent, after he did not "fill up" the "red-haired" I have nothing to say about him ...
              On the internet there are a lot of former military men who are trying to teach the life of gullible Russians, I swear to the current government, I get a larger pension than most of the same gullible citizens ...
              If you took the oath, then you only have to believe in Russia, regardless of who is in power, and not swear at it ...
              I believe that the border of the Russian Federation in the Central Asian direction will be covered in all its manifestations, with or without Kvachkov ...
              1. 0
                20 June 2021 18: 34
                Madame, you don’t need to touch Daddy, firstly, you personally hardly know him, and secondly, the attempt on the redhead is a hollow innuendo, and he received his gold piece not for this, but extremism and an attempt at armed rebellion. the salvation of the Russian people is greater than the rest of the Russian Federation. If you are not aware, it was he who developed and implemented a plan to end the massacre in taj and establish at least some order there. And he did it with the help of one Chirchik tag, which, moreover, your fucking democrats-traitors also gave to the Uzbeks. And the 201MSD, who was at that time in the taj, carried out the order of Moscow and sat on the ass evenly, only fought back sluggishly when the shower was too much for them. As for the oath, I personally took my oath to the USSR in December 1985 and I did not take any other oath. As far as I am aware, Bati has the same situation. So you, madam, do not need to tremble here about the oath. The fact that Daddy is talking a lot about religion now, well, serve up a gold piece, and for most of the term in a punishment cell, your roof will not flow like that.
                1. -1
                  20 June 2021 18: 42
                  Quote: Russian Central Asian
                  As for the oath, I personally took my oath to the USSR in December 1985 and I did not take any other oath. As far as I am aware, Bati has the same situation.

                  I understand that you are not responsible for the security of the Russian Federation?
                  1. +2
                    20 June 2021 19: 10
                    As a former officer (albeit one of the jackets), I certainly answer, and that is why I believe that the more distant approaches this security is provided, the better. Close the entire border with Kazakhstan - well forward and the flag is in your hands. and dreaming is not harmful. And about the occupation (as you call it) of the territory of the Tajik-Afghan border in order to prevent drug smuggling. Well, this is exactly the most effective and cheapest way to ensure the prevention of the penetration of drugs, and after the withdrawal of amers from Afghanistan, there is also a shower on the territory of RUSSIA.
  6. +5
    18 June 2021 06: 25
    the Americans have effectively merged the government in Afghanistan.
    Terrorists of all stripes will pick up the authorities in this country and reach many sections of the border with the former republics of the USSR.
    The armed forces of these republics will not be able to cope with the numerous gangs. The war will go to the economic exhaustion of the republics.
    Convenient for amers to move military operations closer to the border with our country. Kazakhstan has a huge territory and a 7000 km border with Russia. To fuel the national movement and provide unrest ... That's why the Americans are needed there.
    Suffice it to recall how they were driven out of Uzbekistan when the threads of the coup reached the American base.
    1. 0
      18 June 2021 08: 28
      Quote: ivamoss
      the Americans have effectively merged the government in Afghanistan.
      Terrorists of all stripes will pick up the authorities in this country and reach many sections of the border with the former republics of the USSR.
      The armed forces of these republics will not be able to cope with the numerous gangs. The war will go to the economic exhaustion of the republics.

      To do this, you did NOT have to sit in Afghanistan - for this, ON the contrary, you had to give a little money to the militants and that's it ...
      1. 0
        19 June 2021 19: 02
        The concept just changed
        1. 0
          19 June 2021 23: 11
          Quote: ivamoss
          The concept just changed
          -this concept has not changed since the time of Alexander III in that region - "We give a little dough to the locals - they shit on Russia"
  7. +2
    18 June 2021 06: 30
    We started with Afghanistan and then forgot about it. Every alliance is tested by time. And given the processes that are taking place in the world, it is difficult to assess the situation in advance. We are already hammered into our heads that capitalism is coming to an end. Rumors of his death are premature. He is changing. If earlier his task was to make people obedient. Now the super task is to make people the instrument of their desires. Mutual dependence between China and Russia is good. Provided that our country becomes self-sufficient.
    1. -3
      18 June 2021 06: 53
      Quote: nikvic46
      . Provided that our country becomes self-sufficient.

      Alas, we are too deeply tied to the West. It is still unrealistic to raise the economy to the same level as China. It is no coincidence that in any material about Russia, be it space or the war in Syria, you will with 100% certainty find a "trump card" from our southwestern former brothers - "Russians are dying out, they have nothing to eat, and you are space ...". The material was written two days before the meeting of the presidents.
      Today we can already say that the described problem for the United States is more serious than, for example, Ukraine or Belarus. By the degree of discussion, at least.
      By tearing us apart, the Americans will get two completely defeated opponents. Here is your task for the near future. The logic is simple enough.
      1. -11
        18 June 2021 07: 24
        Quote: domokl
        Alas, we are too deeply tied to the West.

        Consequences of the 90s. Then, “our” elite appointed to us by the West (USA) works for their interests. The nationalization of the "elites" continues.

        Quote: domokl
        It is still unrealistic to raise the economy to the same level as China.

        Is quite real. We own 20% of all natural resources of the World. The adopted presidential amendments to the Constitution this fall will allow the formation of a more nationally oriented Duma, which will finally begin to work for the interests of the country.

        About Russia, China and the West (USA).

        There are three mature civilizations in the World:
        - European civilization;
        - the civilization of the East;
        - and Russian civilization.

        Depending on who is "friends" with whom, those third and wet.
        Tsarist Russia "was on friendly terms" with the West - they soaked China, Tsarist Russia no longer exists.
        Stalin's Russia "was friends" with China - the USSR was the first economy in the World;
        Western civilization "was friends" with the civilization of the East - the USSR no longer exists.
        Today we are "friends" with China - there is a crisis in the West. China is the first economy in the world.
        1. +3
          18 June 2021 09: 17
          Quote: Boris55
          There are three mature civilizations in the World:
          - European civilization;
          - the civilization of the East;
          - and Russian civilization.

          And how does Russian differ from European?
          1. -3
            18 June 2021 09: 24
            Quote: Hyperion
            how does Russian differ from European?

            From the preamble to our Constitution: "We, the multinational people of the Russian Federation, united by a common destiny on our land ..."

            Russian civilization is a multitude of nationalities forming one state
            Western civilization is a multitude of national states living under one dominant one.

            Their main difference is culture.
            1. +5
              18 June 2021 09: 34
              Quote: Boris55
              Russian civilization is a multitude of nationalities forming one state

              Europe and even more so the United States also consists of many nationalities.
              Quote: Boris55
              Their main difference is culture.

              You will not find differences between a Russian child and a European one in terms of interests, clothing style and life values. Hollywood films, computer games - both here and there they watch. So there are no fundamental differences.
              1. -7
                18 June 2021 12: 15
                Quote: Hyperion
                Europe and even more so the United States also consists of many nationalities.

                French people live in France. In Spain, the Spaniards, etc. They are all nation states. Ukraine, striving for Europe, wants to become a national state, and for this they need to kill the Russian in themselves. This does not mean at all that other nationalities are not present there.

                The USA is a constructive and projecting "state".

                Quote: Hyperion
                You will not find differences between a Russian child and a European

                All over the Earth, people are born the same. We have the same response to fear and joy. Culture makes us different; the older the person, the more noticeable this difference.

                Hollywood, computer games are a cultural impact on other communities of people (civilizations), in order to achieve their goals, in the Western understanding - submission to their will. This influence is most noticeable in large cities.

                Quote: Hyperion
                So there are no fundamental differences.

                There is a difference.
                All peoples in our country have the opportunity to develop their culture, and many of them have received writing. At the same time, the West suppresses the culture of the aborigines and imposes its own (Hollywood, computer games). The indigenous people of S. America are driven into reservations. The Aborigines of Australia have practically disappeared ...
                In our country, any outstanding person, regardless of his nationality, can lead our civilization. Stalin is a Georgian, Brezhnev is a Ukrainian, or become famous (if you wish, remember the names of those yourself, as an example - Shoigu).
                1. +7
                  18 June 2021 14: 04
                  Quote: Boris55
                  French people live in France.

                  Almost...

                  Quote: Boris55
                  The USA is a constructive and projecting "state".

                  It is not clear: what is wrong with designing and constructing a "state"? And in Russia, then what kind of "state"?
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Culture makes us different.

                  So what is Russian culture? What are the fundamental differences from the American one, so that it can be divided into different civilizations?
                  Quote: Boris55
                  In our country, any outstanding person, regardless of his nationality, can lead our civilization.

                  In the West, they went even further. There civilization can be led even by an elderly Negro or an LGBT person.
              2. +6
                18 June 2021 12: 32
                Quote: Hyperion
                You will not find differences between a Russian child and a European one in terms of interests, clothing style and life values. Hollywood films, computer games - both here and there they watch. So there are no fundamental differences.

                In China, Hollywood films sometimes raise the box office more than in the United States. And Western game manufacturers in the Chinese market are doing well. So the peculiarities of civilizations in the modern world are rather blurred and are manifested only where the government rigidly suppresses everything alien, like the DPRK, KSA, Iran.
                1. +3
                  18 June 2021 14: 07
                  Quote: Tzar
                  So the peculiarities of civilizations in the modern world are rather blurred and are manifested only where the government rigidly suppresses everything alien, like the DPRK, KSA, Iran.

                  Quite right. Globalism strides across the planet. There are still reserves, like the DPRK and Iran you mentioned, but we are all the same, plus or minus. Therefore, it is strange to see arguments about "different civilizations".
        2. 0
          18 June 2021 15: 30
          "The adopted presidential amendments to the Constitution this fall will allow the formation of a more nationally oriented Duma, which will finally begin to work for the interests of the country."

          good laughing
        3. 0
          18 June 2021 22: 19
          There are three mature civilizations in the World:
          - European civilization;
          - the civilization of the East;
          - and Russian civilization.
          Russian civilization ended with the USSR. As the opponent wrote above, the youth is no different from the same youth in the West. So within 50-100 years Russia will be completely absorbed by the West. The only thing that will remain with us is the Russian language and then changed due to borrowing from the English language. Western culture wins, even the culture of the east falls before it. Young people in China are totally Western culture.
          1. -6
            20 June 2021 07: 02
            I think in ten years Russian in the Russian Federation will become the language of slaves, and the elite will speak Yiddish and the Ayzerbajan version of Turkish. at least everything goes to this
            1. -1
              20 June 2021 21: 05
              Quote: Russian Central Asian
              I think in ten years Russian in the Russian Federation will become the language of slaves, and the elite will speak Yiddish and the Ayzerbajan version of Turkish. at least everything goes to this

              I can still believe in Chinese, but Turkish and Azerbaijani languages ​​are too utopia. The language of the future is a variation of the English-Spanish language.
  8. +1
    18 June 2021 09: 01
    Afghanistan does not know how to live peacefully. The world is a different culture, ideology, economy. They don't know how to live in peace. The USSR tried to educate these "food" people to live in peace. Right. It was at our borders. They were supplied with building materials for free, and they destroyed the columns and danced - rejoiced. They built schools, houses, but they didn't need it! The USSR was considered an enemy. Understanding came when the United States came. Because it became possible to compare with what. And the fact that the United States is leaving will be worse for Russia. These "food" people will climb to our borders and Russia will have another hot spot.
    1. +6
      18 June 2021 12: 30
      Northern Turkmen tribes in Afghanistan have never been under American control. Are you warning about possible aggression "from across the river"? To do this, you need to re-create agents and CIA bases, you need money. If such a program is accepted, your fears will come true. But the Afghans themselves will not climb across the border. Piece of meat, churek, joint: what else does an Afghan need?
    2. -3
      20 June 2021 07: 07
      I think that this is how everything will be, and the border between the Russian Federation and ISIS will no longer pass through the Syrian desert, but approximately along the border with Kazakhstan. Well, the Russian Federation itself is to blame for this - it itself refused to guard the Tajik-Afghan border, it itself renounced all its influence in that region. Well, as you know, a holy place is never empty.
  9. -8
    18 June 2021 09: 05
    The Americans have only the most reliable emissaries in Europe, there they may not even ask their opinion.
    1. +1
      18 June 2021 22: 20
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The Americans have only the most reliable emissaries in Europe, there they may not even ask their opinion.

      almost 80 turnover of all money in the world takes place in Euros and Bucks. That is, 80 percent of the world's economy is tied to the West completely, and 20 is indirectly.
  10. +9
    18 June 2021 09: 28
    Good relations with both Russia and China are extremely important for Kazakhstan.
    But what is interesting is that the PRC in Kazakhstan is increasing its economic influence, and Russia pays tribute for Baikonur. Nazarbayev, he will die and see what happens next. The nationalists in power there are already beating them in the stall. And if they break free, we will shrug our shoulders again, how it happened. Only China, it’s figuring out who’s in power there.
    1. -3
      20 June 2021 07: 16
      Well, the Russians living there are already having a pretty hard time. Although what actually is there to be surprised. If the leadership of the Russian Federation itself hates the Russian people so much, it is ridiculous to demand from the Kazakhs that they be "Holy of the Pope"
      1. +1
        20 June 2021 11: 24
        there are almost all Russian specialists, they live normally, but of course they don’t want to live there, make money and leave for Russia
  11. +2
    18 June 2021 10: 15
    Another victory on paper ...
  12. -1
    18 June 2021 10: 59
    I look at it this way - for the first time in decades, America is concerned about the concentration of forces - whether against us, against China, or against Iran - they have such a need. The allies have blabbed and either drive their own like Erdo, or intend as growing interactions between Germany and France in military construction (projects of tanks, 6th generation aircraft, arguments about the need for a European army, divergences in policy on Russia and Iran, etc.). Afghanistan is too distant and logistically inconvenient for the US region - it is banally inconvenient and expensive for them to fight there, given the total local poverty and feudalism concreted in their heads - the US has no hopes and motivation to settle there for a long time because it will not pay off either the effort or the investment. Hopes for "strategic control" at this point also apparently did not come true, because the region has been blazing for a long time, and neighboring players have trodden business paths bypassing this "plagued place".

    America appears to have set its sights on spending restructuring in the face of a changing international environment - even under Trump, if not before. China has built up its fleet and is building up its aviation, all opponents of the United States are developing tactical and strategic missiles, hypersound has appeared in the arena - the gaping gap in the missile defense system needs to be closed by the Americans, which, in my opinion, they will work hard on, and which will serve as a large-scale restructuring, including the collapse of a number of "enterprises" around the world.

    It's funny to read about some kind of "our politics" in Central Asia - we have NO politics in Central Asia. There are some activities of varying degrees of success, if LIKE LIKE there are still fragments of the former political loyalty and traditional cooperation. But all this hangs on the snot of the previous architecture, we do not develop a new architecture, completely repeating the same mistakes that we made with large ex-CIS participants.

    China is here, yes, a player. But China is not interested in the "problems of the region" - its interest is the path from the safe havens, which will become part of the "New Silk Road". Where possible, he will also attach his goods and lay his hands on local resources of all kinds - this is the interest of the huckster, and, apparently, it will remain so. As the new Silk Road develops, yes, China's military and strategic initiative may also be strengthened. But they do not run ahead of the locomotive, preferring WHILE to step softly and speak sweetly.
  13. +3
    18 June 2021 12: 11
    An old song ... Russia and China are brothers forever ...
  14. +7
    18 June 2021 13: 18
    How did this post get into the Analytics section? wassat negative
  15. -5
    18 June 2021 13: 23
    Quote: Far In
    In short, as always with this author, Russia again outplayed America. True, this time at least a couple of the Chinese "put the American donkey in the stall." I'm still waiting - when will these constant Putin victories affect the welfare of the country and the people?
    For schoolchildren, in the 90s, Comrade Yeltsin did nothing but domestic politics, ask your mother the result. Your beloved USA and live like a "bagata" only thanks to an aggressive foreign policy.
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  16. +5
    18 June 2021 14: 48
    Previously, there was an "annallist" Kamenev on the site, and I thought that in terms of analytics, which was as far as possible from reality, he had no equal.
    But then the analyst Staver arose - and I understood the full depth of my delusion.
    1. +4
      18 June 2021 15: 37
      One annoyance for the author, Boris 55 in the comments, despite all the efforts of the author, easily bypasses him as a stand-up, in the matter of analytics, defense, explanation and justification. laughing
    2. -4
      18 June 2021 17: 20
      Quote: Undecim
      But then the analyst Staver arose - and I understood the full depth of my delusion.

      You're just jealous of analyst Staver.
  17. -1
    18 June 2021 17: 20
    Everything interesting lies ahead of us, Biden will not be sweet now, a flurry of criticism for Geneva will fall on him, especially since he quarreled with the press, let's call it that, and the internal situation is not in a very good state, it looks like he will soon retire. We will soon find out how it will be.
  18. -3
    18 June 2021 17: 54
    I read some of the comments. God, what the limitation and ignorance of the "discussing". Interesting people. He demands an increase in well-being not a damn thing, and even undertakes to comment on events in the international and military spheres from the standpoint of the ABC readers. Narodishko all the time tries to reduce everything only to what he will learn from all this. Everything is on instinct. No matter the war, even the flood, if only there was something to eat and drink. Americans are not allowed to enter Central Asia, and what does it give in "terms of income and increase in life expectancy." It is necessary to wrap up such nonsense. You want to live longer, eat less vodka and other cheap liquor. If you want to increase your income, then work in such a way that your work is assessed as high quality and there will be an increase in income. And here it’s just idiotic language, nothing more. What I want to say about the article. I do not want to praise the author or find fault with him. Let it not be terribly professional, but the author managed to convey that the United States has problems with the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan because of China and the United States. So it is, and to dispute it is stupid. Shouting about the failure of the victories of Russian diplomacy in terms of lifting the sanctions is utter nonsense. Thanks to the sanctions, production is being actively restored in Russia. Woe to the executors from among the people, lying on squeezed sofas, of course, do not understand this. But in vain. Maybe they could find their place in this life away from the vestibule with a toilet.
    1. +2
      18 June 2021 19: 25
      Narodets. Limited. Illiterate. Doesn't do a damn thing. Are you in general sure that the person who wrote the comment didn't just come back from the mine? What makes you think that you are the last truth in the instance?
    2. -1
      18 June 2021 22: 22
      Quote: ppgt90
      Thanks to the sanctions in Russia, there is an active recovery of production

      Thanks to the sanctions in Russia, there is an active recovery of production
      In what area have you achieved success in 7 years? In addition to the grocery (and even then there is debatable)
      1. 0
        20 June 2021 11: 25
        nuclear industry for example
        1. -2
          20 June 2021 21: 06
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          nuclear industry for example

          If it were not for the sanctions, RosAtom would have many more contracts for construction abroad, which means more longwall.
          1. 0
            21 June 2021 05: 43
            that's right, sanctions are not fair competition! and you say that not everything develops
            1. -2
              21 June 2021 10: 35
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              that's right, sanctions are not fair competition! and you say that not everything develops

              Well, yes, for example, sanctions from the state for the offender are also dishonest in relation to him. Russia - violated international laws and was punished. In addition to the military, energy and food, everything else stagnates at best.
              1. 0
                21 June 2021 15: 09
                there have always been sanctions, and we would never have been allowed to enter our markets
                1. -2
                  21 June 2021 19: 33
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  there have always been sanctions, and we would never have been allowed to enter our markets

                  Yes? until 2014 quietly sold and investments flowed in a stream into the Russian Federation.
                  1. 0
                    22 June 2021 07: 13
                    yeah, they sold)))), they have never been allowed to enter European and American sales markets, and sanctions are now just an open way to kill competition
                    1. -2
                      22 June 2021 10: 52
                      Quote: Nastia Makarova
                      yeah, they sold)))), they have never been allowed to enter European and American sales markets, and sanctions are now just an open way to kill competition

                      Well, yes, especially Sberbank, which works quietly in the West. The same AvtoVAZ (owned by the French). It is possible to list for a long time, the problem is simply the quality. In the Russian Federation, the quality is lame in industry and civilian goods (if we are not talking about a heavy and specialized area) So wait, if they didn’t let us in, why would they kill the competition? In Oil and Gas, we sell and sell. A country that has 2 percent of the world economy and every year this share is getting smaller cannot compete with countries with more than half of the world's GDP.
                      1. -1
                        22 June 2021 14: 11
                        there gdp is inflated, industry is germany and france, but like italy and spain it is inflated gdp
                      2. -2
                        22 June 2021 17: 05
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        there gdp is inflated, industry is germany and france, but like italy and spain it is inflated gdp

                        Hahahahah. We would have such a "inflated" GDP,
                      3. 0
                        22 June 2021 17: 07
                        no one knows what to do
                      4. -2
                        22 June 2021 17: 08
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        no one knows what to do

                        Prepares for the stagnation of the Russian economy from 4 to 10 years, and maybe more. It won't get better.
                      5. -1
                        22 June 2021 17: 09
                        but we do not expect that it will be better, we are preparing and I advise you to prepare
                      6. 0
                        22 June 2021 17: 12
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        but we do not expect that it will be better, we are preparing and I advise you to prepare

                        I have been ready for a long time, since 2016.
                      7. 0
                        22 June 2021 17: 17
                        why not since 2014? well done that is ready, so why cry
                      8. -1
                        22 June 2021 18: 50
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        why not since 2014? well done that is ready, so why cry

                        I studied at school. Because the desire is for life to get better in the country, not worse.
                      9. -1
                        22 June 2021 19: 05
                        is it getting worse? just don't talk about rising prices and small wages
                      10. -1
                        22 June 2021 19: 13
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        is it getting worse? just don't talk about rising prices and small wages

                        For 10 years, the Russian economy has grown by 0.03. That is, 10 years in vain, in terms of income we are at the level of 2009. And what about the prices? And in what way is it worse to measure? I remember the Mayor of my city in 2013 said that since 2014 they have been refusing to patch roads, bam, crisis, now most of them change the road surface, patching)))) There is no money.
                      11. -1
                        22 June 2021 19: 19
                        we have an economic war with the west
                      12. -2
                        22 June 2021 19: 23
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        we have an economic war with the west

                        Fact, but we unleashed it.
                      13. -1
                        23 June 2021 06: 36
                        no, unleashed the west, set the ukraine on fire
  19. -2
    19 June 2021 11: 21
    Having won, as the results of the NATO summit showed, in Europe, where the leaders of the countries easily “fell under Washington,” the Americans lost in Central Asia.

    The countries of the "Golden Billion" are losing control of the planet ....
    1. -3
      20 June 2021 07: 34
      Madam, let me be curious, do you have at least some thoughts of your own in your head, or are you just rewriting the texts of your Kremlin manuals here? Still, it was correctly believed in Victorian England that conversations on political topics were unacceptable in dealing with a lady. And in Germany, the role of a woman was limited to three K-kirchen, küche, kinder. (church, kitchen, children).))))))
  20. 0
    20 June 2021 04: 46
    Information for thought. For that, and thanks.
  21. +1
    21 June 2021 08: 08
    I didn’t quite understand, but what did Russia actually gain in connection with the withdrawal of the Americans from Afgan?
    Coffins will stop going to the States - like a minus for Russia
    The United States will stop spending huge money on the necessary campaign, it is not clear why - also a minus for Russia.
    The contingent will be freed, which can be sent, for example, to the Baltic states or to "permanent exercises" in Ukraine - also a minus for Russia.
    Russia will have to guard the border of the CIS with Afgan most carefully and start paying for it with the lives of soldiers and with its own money - also a minus.

    The Taliban and others will not get to the States across the ocean, and the Russian Federation is just a stone's throw away.

    Now, if the Americans really pacified the Afghan, would have done everything there beautifully and dumped, I would only welcome this.
    And in the current version, where are the advantages for Russia, what are you bringing down?
    1. -1
      21 June 2021 17: 58
      Objectively, you are right, neither the Russian Federation itself nor the countries of Central Asia have any reason to rejoice at the departure of amers from Afghanistan. Rather, on the contrary, this is a reason to be very concerned about the emergence of new and very unpleasant problems. But, apparently, you simply forget about such our national trait as ordinary human schadenfreude. And besides, you should not forget about the action of state propaganda. Talking heads on TV said that the people should rejoice at the departure of amers from Afghanistan, so the people rejoice. And just to add one and one people do not have enough brains, just like looking a couple of steps ahead.
  22. 0
    16 July 2021 16: 08
    the Americans are good fellows, they quietly dumped, and Russia should solve the problems.