A life given to hieroglyphs: what came before Champollion

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The hieroglyphic part of the Rosetta Stone inscription. Cartouches with royal names are clearly visible. British museum

“And the lilacs were given, - there, in the south,
In the Nubian wild south - muddy, sultry
And still the world is alien, reserved,
As under Khufu, under Kambiz ... I brought
A bow from there and a green-copper quiver,
Hippopotamus skin shield, slender dart,
Panther fur, rusty chain mail,
But what do I need them - a question. "
(Ivan Bunin "In the hot gold of the pyramid's sunset ...")


History great civilizations. In our past materials, it was told about Russian travelers who visited Egypt. But, it is clear that there were also travelers from other countries. There were, described his curiosities, but ... could not read a word from the inscriptions that they met there.



Therefore, today we will continue our story about the culture of Ancient Egypt, supplementing it with the story of how scientists learned to read Egyptian hieroglyphs, thanks to which Egyptology was on a solid foundation of written knowledge. Indeed, already in antiquity, everyone understood that if it was possible to read the numerous inscriptions found in Egypt, then, undoubtedly, knowledge about its history would increase enormously. The mysterious sphinxes would find their voice, the mysterious papyri would cease to be such, the image and sculptures of the pharaohs could be associated with specific historical characters.

There were many attempts to read the hieroglyphs. Moreover, the paths followed by scientists from different countries, who tried to unravel them, are so confusing and whimsical that it would be possible to write a kind of ... historical detective story about them. And since people like this genre, we will try in this vein and tell about how the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs were read, which are as accessible to everyone today as, say, the hieroglyphic writing of modern Chinese or Japanese.


Drawing of the hieroglyphic part of the Rosetta stone inscription

To begin with, we note that the need to read Egyptian writing was already understood by ancient historians, who were not satisfied with the knowledge of contemporary Egypt.

But what did they already know about hieroglyphs?

"Father of history" Herodotus in the middle of the XNUMXth century. BC e. reported that the Egyptians use two types of writing - sacred and folk. Historian Plutarch at the turn of the XNUMXst-XNUMXnd centuries AD e. wrote that each hieroglyph means a whole word or even a phrase. But Clement of Alexandria in the II century indicated that there were three writing systems: the first was hieroglyphics, the second was hieratic (writing of priestly books) and the third was epistolography, everyday writing.

But how do you read them?

The Egyptian Gorapollo, who lived in the IV century and, of course, knew the Coptic language, the spoken language of the Egyptians of that time, was engaged in this. He wrote two thick volumes of discourse on hieroglyphs - "Hieroglyphics", then almost forgotten. Explained the meaning of some of them, and correctly. But ... in an absolutely fantastic way. For example, the hieroglyph "goose". He translated it as "son," and rightly so. But here is his explanation: "Because the goose is a child-loving bird!" The hieroglyph "hare" is the verb "to open". Do you know why? Because "the hare always keeps his eyes open." It is clear that this "decryption" did more harm than good.

The Renaissance began, and new scholars appeared interested in hieroglyphs. For example, John Boltsami. In his 454-page tome, he did not cite a single Egyptian hieroglyph (“this is how science should be dealt with!”), But he explained to everyone how they should be read. It turned out that everything is simple: seeing a baboon means the beginning of a new month. Why? Because "baboons always scream at the dawn of a new month." Well, an elephant (the Egyptians did not have such a hieroglyph at all!) Means a king. There is even nothing to argue about!

And in 1583, the doctor Pierre Langlois was found, who published a "study" with 54 tables in which he proved the connection between hieroglyphs and ... the coats of arms of the French nobility. By the way, he appropriated the image of an elephant to the Duke of Richelieu. And the popularity of this work was so great that it was even republished!

His business was taken up by Athanasius Kircher, who lived in the XNUMXth century and was a very erudite person for that time. To begin with, he copied the hieroglyphic inscriptions from the obelisks brought to Rome and then ... deciphered them. How is it? And this is how it is: a triangle and next to a man with his arms raised up - “the priest prays in the temple”, because the triangle is the “roof”, and the man is, of course, the priest. In fact, these two hieroglyphs are translated like this: "I give."

Well, the Frenchman Joseph de Guigne (this one already lived in the XNUMXth century), drawing attention to the similarity of some Chinese and Egyptian hieroglyphs, said at all that the Chinese in ancient times lived in Egypt and then left there to their own China. True, knowledge of a number of ancient languages ​​helped him make a very important guess that the Egyptians could omit vowel sounds when writing.

Here our Russian scientists have already noted. In particular, Ivan Kokh, the director of the St. Petersburg Teachers' Seminary, in 1788 expressed the idea that Egyptian writing should have a sound character.

Moreover, the most amazing thing is that even then the bilingual text of the Greek writer Hermapion was known - a translation of an inscription on one of the Roman obelisks, although it was not preserved in the original, but was cited in one of the works of Ammianus Marcellinus. And that was the key to reading the hieroglyphs, but ... Kircher announced that “they don't read like that,” and his authority was so high that no one paid attention to this translation. Rather, they did it, but after the discovery of François Champollion ...

And then fate itself came to the aid of the daring, as is very often the case: in 1799, French soldiers in Egypt found the famous Rosetta Stone, in which the same dedicatory inscription was made in three different letters - hieroglyphs, strange squiggles and good for everyone famous Greek letters. The Greek part of the text was immediately translated and it became clear from it that this inscription was triple, that is, it was written in sacred, native and Greek letters. True, the upper part of the slab was badly damaged, and part of the text was lost. But one could hope that the surviving parts would become the key to the ancient hieroglyphic writing.

A life given to hieroglyphs: what came before Champollion
Whole Rosetta Stone. British museum

The historian Karamzin so directly from this in the journal "Vestnik Evropy" and wrote: "... French scientists found in Egypt a stone with an inscription of Egyptian priests in honor of Ptolemy-Epiphanes, in Greek, Coptic and hieroglyphic languages, whose key is lost. This discovery gave hope to find out the meaning of the hieroglyphic images through the Greek inscription. "


Tetradrachm issued by Ptolemy V Epiphanes, British Museum

By the way, even before the discovery of the Rosetta stone, at the end of the XNUMXth century, the Danish archaeologist Jörgen Soega found out that in hieroglyphic inscriptions, the names of the pharaohs are enclosed in a special frame in the form of an oval - a cartouche. There were six such cartouches on the Rosetta stone, and they are all alike. Therefore, it was easy to assume that all of them in different versions denote the name of the king Ptolemy Epiphanes.

So, having such "reinforcement", the famous French orientalist Sylvester de Sacy undertook to decipher the inscription on the plate. And he decided to start not with complex hieroglyphs, but with the "native text", since it is well preserved. I thought and decided to use proper names for decryption, hoping in this way to recognize the letters of the Egyptian alphabet. But how to find them, because the text is solid, separate words are not highlighted ?!


Cartouche of Cleopatra II from the Philae Obelisk

And he thought (you always have to think before doing something and especially writing!) And ... found a way out. He counted the number of lines of the Greek inscription and the Egyptian inscription and, knowing the place of the proper names of the Greek text, compared them with the "native" text. The two words "Alexander" and "Alexandria" were especially important, because they are very similar, and (oh, joy) they were found where they should have been! Moreover, he found these names with the help of an ordinary compass. Here are some strange "devices" sometimes have to resort to linguists and ... with success.

But with the names "Ptolemy" and "Alexander" de Sacy was not lucky. That is, he found their place in the text with the help of a compass, but for some reason they only began with the same letter or symbol, but this contradicts all common sense. And de Sacy realized that he had failed and ... gave a copy of the slab to the Swede Åkerblad.


Cartouche with the name of Cleopatra. The inscription is turned in the other direction. The fact is that the Egyptians wrote both from left to right and from right to left.

And he was more fortunate than the Frenchman. He found in the text much more names and, accordingly, icons that denote the sounds that make up them. In addition, he used his knowledge of the Coptic language and proved that many sounds of the Egyptian language have a Coptic sound, or rather, on the contrary - the Egyptian language was the first, and Coptic followed it.

So he learned to read foreign names in the Egyptian text. But as soon as he tried to read the text itself, he failed. And Okerblad gave up on this task.


Drawings of the names of Ptolemy (above) and Cleopatra (below)

Then the Englishman Thomas Jung got down to business. At fifteen, he already knew French, Italian, Greek, Arabic, Hebrew and Persian. Became a doctor. He was engaged in natural sciences and physics. And since the riddle of hieroglyphs at that time worried the entire scientific community of Europe, he also drew attention to it.


And here the inscription is destroyed. And all because it is depicted here, most likely, the apostate Pharaoh Akhenaten

Studying the inscriptions on the Rosetta stone and copying them, he made an outstanding discovery: he proved that the native writing is ... cursive hieroglyphic writing, saw modified and simplified hieroglyphs in its squiggles.

Then he counted the signs found in the text and saw that there were more than 100 of them, and no language in the world had more than 30–40 sounds. So, he decided, some signs convey sounds, and some - concepts, and maybe words. That is why both de Sacy and Oakerblad could not read Egyptian texts: in addition to letters that convey sounds, there were also icons that conveyed concepts!


Hieroglyphic alphabetic characters

Then Jung understood why de Sacy's names "Ptolemy" and "Alexander" began and ended with the same sign - it was a simplified image of a cartouche. And then, analyzing the hieroglyphic text, he was able to completely correctly determine the meaning of the five hieroglyphs. "Square" meant the letter P, "horned crawling snake" - F, "semicircle" - T, "zigzag straight line" - H, and "upright feather" - aЙ.

And yet he did not advance further and was never able to read the hieroglyphic inscriptions. He had just begun to penetrate into the mystery of hieroglyphs, but ... more than five signs of his strength and intelligence were not enough.

Only François Champollion was able to solve this problem. But we will tell you about his scientific feat next time.

To be continued ...
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  1. +9
    24 June 2021 05: 02
    We touched on an interesting topic - Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you!
    It's not bad if the above work turns into a new cycle.
    1. +1
      24 June 2021 07: 13
      The basics of hierographics come of course from the Rosette stone, which is actually the Rosette stone from the city of Roseta, which is now called Rashid. Here is such a man-made confusion.

      Moreover, he found these names with the help of an ordinary compass. Here are some strange "devices" sometimes have to resort to linguists and ... with success.


      funny, linguists know how to handle compasses? It is interesting to read Vyacheslav, what did they intend there with this compass? Like: "... and if you stand in the name of Ptolemy in the Greek text and draw a circle around the whole stone, then the same names should ALWAYS be revealed in the rest of the intersections of symbols with the circle: this is the great sacred, it is the homespun truth of all hierographics, from this and we dance on. "
      1. +10
        24 June 2021 07: 48
        the basics of hierography come of course from the Rosette stone, which is actually the Rosette stone from the city of Roseta

        In German, "S" before the vowel reads like "Z", historically in our country there was a German reading of the text, therefore both the Rosette stone and the god Osiris, and not Osiris.
        1. +6
          24 June 2021 09: 00
          Sergei, it is forgivable for Fomenko's pedagogues not to know such subtleties!
          1. +2
            24 June 2021 12: 36
            Cartouche with the name of Cleopatra.

            But with the names "Ptolemy" and "Alexander" de Sacy was not lucky. And he gave a copy of the plate to the Swede Ockerblad. And he was more fortunate than the Frenchman

        2. -3
          24 June 2021 20: 24
          Quote: Aviator_
          In German, "S" before the vowel reads like "Z", historically in our country there was a German reading of the text, therefore both the Rosette stone and the god Osiris, and not Osiris.


          seriously, what about
          -Prussia, Prusia cannot be read
          -Borussia-do not speak Borusia
          -strasse-don't say schraze.
          -Hesse-don't speak gezen
          so there is no need to drive the tulka.
          And in general there are much fewer maps of German Egypt than maps in Latin, Italian, or French, so why in our country the German pronunciation of this city would "develop" is not clear. You certainly will not tell.
          1. +4
            24 June 2021 20: 56
            First, about the tulka.
            For the words you have cited, the Germans have another letter - similar to the Greek "Beta", called "Esset". It denotes a long "Es", and it reads that way. Type in the Yandex translator "Prussia" in Russian, see what it will give you in German.
            Further. German cards have nothing to do with it. We have developed a German method of reading the text in the Latin alphabet, probably due to German influence, starting with Peter I. Who among our generals said to the Emperor "Take me to the Germans"? Ermolov? This is he when asked how to reward him. The French poured into Russia later, after the Great French Revolution, so no one began to read the Latin alphabet in French, especially since many letters are not readable in French, and almost everything is readable by the Germans.
            Well, did I tell you this question?
            Yes, also - in Russian we say "Gestapo", and in the original language - "Gestapo" (Geheim staatliche Polizei). Before consonants, S is read as Ш
            1. -3
              24 June 2021 22: 21
              Quote: Aviator_
              Beta "is called" Esset ". It means a long" Es ", and it reads like that.


              what difference is it pronounced with C, not Z. Because it is ROSETA, and not a rosette, it is so correct and besides, this is a departure from the original meaning, somewhere in the invented linguistic words, this is such a technique that to hide the historical truth. And so that you understand these the edges of Egypt and Palestine, there is a lot of Russian things, for example IerUSsalim, or the city of Rassa, which is now called "science" by linguistics as Cancer, or on some maps the Red Sea was called ROSSO, and next to it is the Rubrum Sea in the Indian Ocean, so it is impossible to confuse is Ortelius's.
              1. +3
                24 June 2021 22: 23
                The difference is that these are different letters - "escet" and "es". Have you seen in the translator how Prussia will be in German?
                1. -3
                  24 June 2021 22: 39
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  The difference is that these are different letters - "escet" and "es". Have you seen in the translator how Prussia will be in German?


                  the word pronunciation you did not understand, so we use the word phonetics, the phonetics of letters c and this letter, which came from the doubling of two SS, but such a letter was also in Italian in the 16th century, the cartographer Paolo Farlani Veronese.

                  1. +1
                    25 June 2021 07: 57
                    Look at your very first objection. Well, how is it written and read "Prussia"? Not Pruzius, is it?
      2. +7
        24 June 2021 08: 56
        Quote: Bar1
        It is interesting to read Vyacheslav, what did they intend there with this compass?

        Take it and read it. So simple, for the sake of their own development. And then you write everything, fantasize ... laughing
        1. -2
          24 June 2021 20: 28
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          Take it and read it. So simple, for the sake of their own development. And then you write everything, fantasize.


          so write, if you know, otherwise you keep chatting.
          1. +2
            24 June 2021 20: 35
            Except for you alone, this is not interesting to anyone. So if you please yourself. request
            Of course, I am flattered that you prefer my work to the work of specialists, but ... this topic is not at all interesting to me, forgive me.
            1. -2
              24 June 2021 22: 23
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              it is not, of course, flattering that you prefer my work to the work of specialists,


              you understand everything wrong from the word lie, your work is not interesting to anyone, you do not want to write, let's at least link.
              1. +3
                24 June 2021 22: 41
                For a link to the author. He understands the topic better. I think he will not refuse you.
    2. +5
      24 June 2021 11: 20
      Hello, I am Zulfiya. I vote with both hands: "For" the new cycle. But the question is: does the author cope with a large number of different topics?
  2. -4
    24 June 2021 07: 17
    Foreign countries again ... And what about "Veles's book" will be what or as usual, everything that concerns Russia - conspiracy theories?
    1. +4
      24 June 2021 07: 44
      Quote: Boris55
      Foreign lands again ..


      do you think that our history is exclusively within our borders? And in what borders of the Republic of Ingushetia, of the 17th century or the 20th century or the USSR model, did the borders change. Or take RFiya, that now we will not consider Russian history in Finland, Manchuria or the Baltic states due to the fact that they were split off?
      1. 0
        24 June 2021 10: 32
        Quote: Bar1
        do you think that our history is exclusively within our borders?

        The confrontation between Western civilization and the civilization of Russia did not begin today. Periodically, the outskirts pass from one civilization to another.
    2. +9
      24 June 2021 08: 54
      Quote: Boris55
      And about "Veles's book" will be

      "Veles's book"? laughing
      Do you want me to write?
      No, really, tell me - are there still people who believe in its authenticity? laughing
      Maybe you believe in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?
      1. +8
        24 June 2021 09: 44
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Quote: Boris55
        And about "Veles's book" will be

        "Veles's book"? laughing
        Do you want me to write?
        No, really, tell me - are there still people who believe in its authenticity? laughing
        Maybe you believe in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

        In fact, this is one book. Written by Lubanal Otstraponovich, King of Atzec. The first part, co-authored with Kunislav, the Supreme Master of Paganism, was created in WestRos (OtmoRosia, near Reykjavik). A The second part, concerning the stenography of the conversation between V.I. Blank and Woody Alain, describes Matza's conspiracy against Kulich, which took place in a remote overseas outpost of the Russians of Chichen Itza, where Blank arrived under the guise of Krupsky, the illegitimate youth of Inessa Arman. Yes The recording of the conversation was discovered by a certain Vaginbek Bloudzhobov, who escaped from Bronstein's intrigues in Ledorubovo.
        1. +14
          24 June 2021 10: 24
          Jokes as a joke, but, apparently, for some, these forgeries still have the significance of historical sources, and this is very sad. We laugh here, and people really believe in this nonsense, simply because they do not know what it is, how, when, under what circumstances, and by whom they were actually created.
          Maybe it's true, it's time here, at VO, to explain to people what it is and in what trash can it be stored?
          1. +3
            24 June 2021 10: 54
            You can write an article))
        2. +2
          24 June 2021 16: 01
          Alik, + "escaped from Trotsky's machinations in Ledorubovo"
          1. +2
            24 June 2021 18: 36
            Greetings, Vlad! hi
            That's how the World Revolution stopped, about which Karla Marla, Clara Zetkin and Pope Karla wrote sad
            1. +1
              24 June 2021 19: 11
              I know other people: Karl Marx, Clara Zetkin and a carpenter named Carlo.
              He, unfortunately, made a son, and a chock is a chock
              1. +2
                24 June 2021 21: 10
                It's not a fig for trouble - daddy, when investing in a couple of gold coins, drove the whole theater laughing
                1. +1
                  25 June 2021 07: 58
                  Before doing the theater to do good, how many times did you get involved in different stories?
                  1. 0
                    25 June 2021 08: 49
                    But the winners are not judged)).
      2. -2
        24 June 2021 10: 15
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Maybe you believe in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

        There are many things in the world, Horatio's friend,
        which our sages never dreamed of.


        You will not believe, I even believe in the "Great Chessboard". laughing
        Protocols exist, but whether they are daily or not is how you look ...

        Previously, the transfer of information was carried out using the outline of images. Such a letter required more than one year of study and was available only to a select few. The merit of Cyril and Methodius lies in the fact that they were able to transform the figurative language into a syllabic one, which became available to almost all strata of society, and not what the priests are telling us.

        An excerpt from the South Korean TV series "Tree with deep roots", how the new writing system was introduced there and what resistance from the nobility and why it caused:



        ps
        I am always amazed that the civilization of the East gives their "cooks" elementary knowledge of management, and for us, the broad masses, it is inaccessible, but defects are please, as much as you like ...

        pps
        Management literacy is still hidden from the people ...
        1. +8
          24 June 2021 10: 40
          We can philosophize about the nature of power, the meaning of universal education in the context of its (power) retention and implementation of powers of power another time. Now I would like you to answer one question:
          Do you agree that both "Veles's Book" and "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" are fakes, created by unscrupulous craftsmen specifically to achieve certain political goals?
          If so, then in this case we have nothing to argue about.
          1. +1
            24 June 2021 10: 56
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            Do you agree that both "Veles's Book" and "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" ... achieve certain political goals?

            Any word carries information. Any information is control.
            As an example: They asked the secretary to bring coffee (i.e. said the word) and she (having received the information) brought it (i.e. performed the action).

            Management is an informational process.

            So to your question, upon achieving political goals, you can answer in the affirmative - yes, these books (and others) are an element of management.

            Whether they are fake - I admit it.
            Since the Protocols were written quite a long time ago, it will not be difficult to compare what was written there (in 24 paragraphs) and what was done. If at least 50% of what is written in the protocols has been completed, can they be considered a fake?
            1. +5
              24 June 2021 11: 20
              Quote: Boris55
              Since the Protocols were written quite a long time ago, it will not be difficult to compare what was written there (in 24 paragraphs) and what was done. If at least 50% of what is written in the protocols has been completed, can they be considered a fake?

              The name of the person who wrote them is even known. Only here in Russia it ... is not known. Moreover, we still believe in 25 frames!
              1. +8
                24 June 2021 13: 35
                I wanted to thank you for the article, but I'm afraid the Redskin leader will be terribly upset that he was outstripped. ... This is exclusively his "cow". I will not spoil the premiere for him. I'd better wait for his comment smile
                1. +7
                  24 June 2021 14: 17
                  Well, minus what for, Vyacheslav Olegovich? request
                  We have a strict hierarchy here in terms of expressing gratitude to the author - Nazariy is the first, and then all the others Yes
                  1. +6
                    24 June 2021 14: 35
                    Quote: Richard
                    Well, minus what for, Vyacheslav Olegovich?

                    Are you asking me? I cannot comprehend the logic of minusers.
                    1. +5
                      24 June 2021 22: 51
                      I cannot comprehend the logic of minusers.

                      Unless only you. To unravel this very logic is not for you Egyptian hieroglyphs.
            2. +5
              24 June 2021 12: 24
              Quote: Boris55
              Whether they are fake - I admit it.

              Veles's book tells us about ten thousand years of history of the Slavs. The Protocols are about a Jewish conspiracy to seize power in the world. Recognizing the authenticity of these sources, we, in one way or another, recognize the truth of the information presented in them. And if you admit that these sources are fake, then you must admit that the information contained in them is a lie. And, therefore, this information cannot be used as the basis for any categorical statements. Well, that's not bad already.
              Now attention.
              Both of these sources are unique, that is, the information contained in them is not contained anywhere else, is not confirmed by anything and, moreover, contradicts other data at the disposal of science.
              What is the output?
              Even if we simply mentally admitted the falsity of these sources, then we are dealing with dubious, unverifiable and contradictory information. This is not even to mention the fact that the falsity of both one and the other source has been fully scientifically proven, that is, in fact, we are dealing not with a dubious one, but with false, unverifiable and contradictory information. smile
              Do you see any logical flaw in my reasoning? smile
              1. +5
                24 June 2021 14: 37
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                You see any logical flaw in my reasoning

                At least TWO can see! But ... they are limited to "minus".
                1. +6
                  24 June 2021 15: 58
                  I think these are fans, Vyacheslav Olegovich. hi
                  Those that minus without reading a list. smile
              2. +3
                24 June 2021 18: 53
                Veles's book tells us about ten thousand years of history of the Slavs
                "I have not read it, but I condemn it!" (FROM)
                1. +1
                  24 June 2021 19: 20
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ_CpVHpdgQ&ab_channel=ЯРАликТВ
                  You can listen. smile
                  If time is not a pity. request
                  1. 0
                    24 June 2021 19: 39
                    Thank you Michael!
                    But I'd rather read ... Le Goff, for example, or Togoeva.
                    1. +2
                      24 June 2021 19: 52
                      Well, then someone is a priest, someone is a priest, someone is a lovely lady-historian ... smile
                      But if I take up an article on this "creation", I will probably have to read it, at least diagonally ...
                      1. +1
                        24 June 2021 20: 02
                        But to me, if you take up an article on this "creation"
                        Do you need it? As for me, it would be better to have a historical detective story, "The Sheriff and the Crimson Caps"!
                      2. +2
                        24 June 2021 20: 32
                        Then a historical thriller, for example, "Aryan Akinak" or "Bloody Sunset of Arkona" ...
                        But it is in the future. smile
                      3. +1
                        24 June 2021 20: 44
                        The first is a valid title! In the second, I would change the toponym to "Arkaim".
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                      5. +1
                        24 June 2021 21: 34
                        for the feminine gender.
                        "The Lady of Arkaim: Love and Blood"
                        D. Nunach is a great Aryan philosopher who anticipated Socrates and Descartes for millennia.
                      6. +2
                        24 June 2021 22: 26
                        Greetings, Michael hi
                        I do not advise the name "Blood on Viman", Belinsky V.G. - director and founder of the medical center "Viman" will immediately sue you smile
                      7. 0
                        25 June 2021 10: 07
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Then a historical thriller, for example, "Aryan Akinak"

                        I would suggest: "Aryan kakinak" or "Aryan kakikak" wassat
              3. 0
                25 June 2021 08: 04
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                Veles's book tells us about ten thousand years of history of the Slavs.

                The difference between us is that I believe that our civilization is not the first on Earth (at least it was antediluvian). You believe that we are the first and nothing before us. Therefore, you cannot believe that humanity has lived on Earth for ten thousand years (Kostenki).

                Quote: Trilobite Master
                The Protocols are about a Jewish conspiracy to seize power in the world.

                After the exodus of the Jews from Egypt and during their Sinai hike, biorobots were raised by the surviving "Atlantists". To conquer the world, they were given the Old Testament (the five books of Moses), and to keep the natives in obedience - the New Testament. They are building the World in the image and likeness that was before the flood and will ultimately lead it to the next apocalypse in the hope that they will survive, but the current technogenic civilization will not provide them with such an opportunity.
              4. +1
                25 June 2021 10: 25
                Perhaps the Protocols were written in response to the Veles book? To knock the Slavs off the top and occupy it for the next 10 years?
                PS If no one guessed to link the two works, then I claim the laurels of the founder of a new direction in cryptology smile
                1. +1
                  25 June 2021 13: 31
                  Everything is logical. It's a pity that Velesov's book was written half a century later than the Protocols ... smile
        2. +3
          24 June 2021 11: 23
          Quote: Boris55
          Management literacy is still hidden from the people ...

          How is it hidden? There is my book "Technologies of Public Opinion Management" - in the public domain. You can buy and read. Advised many here. Do not want! And here are not lame people gathered here. So if you mean the rabble ... then, yes, everything is hidden from it, except for the "Russian peppers".
      3. +3
        24 June 2021 16: 08
        Mish, greetings. Try to write about this book. Considering your attitude to the "novokhronolozhtsy", it will be deadly
        1. +6
          24 June 2021 16: 12
          Hello, Glory. hi
          I'll try, probably ... Somehow. I see what is needed, there are people who do not know ...
    3. +2
      24 June 2021 09: 01
      Boris, I am not interested in writing about what the volumes have been written about in Russian.
      1. +1
        24 June 2021 09: 59
        Quote: kalibr
        Boris, I am not interested in writing about what the volumes have been written about in Russian.

        Approx.
  3. +7
    24 June 2021 07: 57
    The Egyptian Gorapollo, who lived in the IV century and, of course, knew the Coptic language, the spoken language of the Egyptians of that time, was engaged in this. He wrote two thick volumes of discourse on hieroglyphs - "Hieroglyphics", then almost forgotten. Explained the meaning of some of them, and correctly. But ... in an absolutely fantastic way. For example, the hieroglyph "goose". He translated it as "son," and rightly so. But here is his explanation: "Because the goose is a child-loving bird!" The hieroglyph "hare" is the verb "to open". Do you know why? Because "the hare always keeps his eyes open." It is clear that this "decryption" did more harm than good.

    How could it be otherwise. Let's start with the fact that the authorship of the "Hieroglyphics" was attributed to Horappolon and a clear reasoning why no one presented him to him.
    No one has ever seen the original of the book, since the copy found in the XNUMXth century was a translation into Greek, moreover, of dubious quality and a completely unknown translator. It is not even known whether he translated from the original, or from some kind of copy. This was followed by a translation into Latin, and only then into other languages.
    1. +4
      24 June 2021 11: 43
      Quote: Undecim
      To begin with, the authorship of the "Hieroglyphics" was attributed to Horappolon and a clear reasoning why no one presented him to him.

      Yes, in the XNUMXth century, hieroglyphic writing was still alive.
      In 391, the Byzantine emperor Theodosius I the Great closed all Egyptian temples. The last known hieroglyphic inscription is dated 394 (Inscription of Ismet-Akhoma on the island of Philae).
  4. +5
    24 June 2021 08: 05
    The Renaissance began, and new scholars appeared interested in hieroglyphs.

    Before the scientists of the Renaissance, there were still Arab scholars who are pioneers in deciphering Egyptian writing, starting their attempts back in the XNUMXth century.
    1. +4
      24 June 2021 11: 24
      Quote: Undecim
      Before the scientists of the Renaissance, there were still Arab scholars who are pioneers in deciphering Egyptian writing, starting their attempts back in the XNUMXth century.

      I will correct a little, most likely such attempts were made in the Islamic world a little later, from the 8th century. In the 7th century, they (the Arabs) are still just united tribes, leading the spread of Islam by the sword and "the good word of Allah".
      1. +4
        24 June 2021 11: 53
        The first Arab scholar known to take an interest in Egyptian scripts is Jabir Ibn
        Hayan, who lived between the mid-7th and mid-8th centuries CE.

        Book Okasha El Daly, Egyptology: The Missing Millennium, page 67
        I have no reason not to trust this author. Although judging by the years of his life, according to the Julian calendar, he lived in the VIII century.
        1. +4
          24 June 2021 12: 10
          For the middle of the 8th century I agree. If Jabir Ibn Hayan is the one who was an alchemist, doctor, pharmacist, mathematician and astronomer, who was born in the city of Tus in Iran, in the first half of the 7th century. Islam also came to Iran in the middle of the 7th century. Maybe he was a Persian after all? And the study of chemical properties, astronomy, algebra or medicine in the 7-8 centuries was probably a private initiative of people like Jabir ibn Hayyan, who had nothing to do with the Islamic states of the Arab conquerors, they did not patronize scientists at that time ...
          1. +3
            24 June 2021 12: 37
            Maybe he was a Persian after all?

            In general, he is a semi-legendary person. Some researchers deny its existence altogether.
            1. +1
              25 June 2021 15: 20
              Quote: Undecim
              Maybe he was a Persian after all?

              In general, he is a semi-legendary person. Some researchers deny its existence altogether.

              Most likely He existed, as did many "scientists" of the Levant of those years.
              As a child, my mother gave me a book by Washington Irving after reading his short stories, incl. his "Alhambra", I got the idea of ​​the influence of Arab culture on European civilization. In addition, thanks to the service, and, a special course on theology, in the section of Islam, I realized that the influence on science in the Islamic world was largely exerted by the "curiosity" of the emir, imam, or caliph, but not the so-called. "Sharia law".
              In my opinion, the outstanding scientists of the "Arab world" were not of Arab origin. And the heyday of the Arab world came at the beginning of the second millennium.
  5. +7
    24 June 2021 08: 10
    From recent transcripts.
    Folk ancient Egyptian omen:

    "The exodus of Jews from the country - to the collapse of the empire."
    1. +9
      24 June 2021 09: 36
      What, the Inca empire, too, the Jews "left"? belay
      1. +5
        24 June 2021 11: 32
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        What, the Inca empire, too, the Jews "left"? belay

        These are the crossings of the conquistadors))
        1. +4
          24 June 2021 14: 58
          Hi Albert hi
          Considering the fifth point in Columbus's passport, yes Yes smile
          1. +3
            24 June 2021 18: 38
            Quote: Richard
            Hi Albert hi
            Considering the fifth point in Columbus's passport, yes Yes smile

            Greetings! hi
            As I say, the role of the Zionists in building the stronghold of the enemies of the communists is poorly shown negative
            1. +5
              24 June 2021 18: 59
              But there is no need to hang labels on Christopher our Columbus stop
              The fact that the Komsomol card of Comrade H. Columbus has not yet been found by historians is not a reason to make him an enemy of the communists.
              Better read this wonderful poem by Valentin Khristoforich Columbus and you will immediately understand a lot:

              link: https://vk.com/wall-72924413_830
              1. +1
                24 June 2021 21: 08
                I was impressed by the following lines:
                Aralen el young
                Dumb Vadim Ertem
    2. +7
      24 June 2021 09: 50
      Quote: A. Privalov
      From recent transcripts.
      Folk ancient Egyptian omen:

      "The exodus of Jews from the country - to the collapse of the empire."

      More like "a chicken bites a grain, but there is enough for a Rolls Royce."
    3. +4
      24 June 2021 11: 45
      Quote: A. Privalov
      "The exodus of Jews from the country - to the collapse of the empire."

      Specialists say that there is no mention of the exodus in Egyptian sources.
      1. +5
        24 June 2021 11: 50
        So it was fashionable in the days of the pharaohs. I screwed up, erased the history ...
        He became a pharaoh, wrote a new story in the place of the old one.
        So there is little chance of finding out about the outcome or about the lost battles.
        1. +5
          24 June 2021 15: 10
          Well, they wrote about the Hyksos, and if I’m not mistaken, they have the most direct relation to the Jews - even both had swords of the same form and had almost the same name
          1. +2
            24 June 2021 18: 09
            Quote: Richard
            even the swords of those and others of the same shape were and almost the same name

            Merkava is the ancient Egyptian name for the war chariot, from the Hyksos, and the name and chariot.
            1. +1
              24 June 2021 18: 34
              Thank you. Did not know hi
      2. +5
        24 June 2021 12: 13
        Quote: Andobor
        Quote: A. Privalov
        "The exodus of Jews from the country - to the collapse of the empire."

        Specialists say that there is no mention of the exodus in Egyptian sources.

        Experts say that there is no word for the place between the back and the back of the knees. The place is, but the words are not ... hi
      3. +3
        24 June 2021 15: 04
        Specialists say that there is no mention of the exodus in Egyptian sources.

        Strange, there was an outcome, but there is no mention recourse
        Couldn't the Jews just take it and invent it? It doesn't look like them at all request
        1. +3
          24 June 2021 18: 20
          Quote: Richard
          Strange, there was an outcome, but there is no mention

          On the walls of temples and in papyri, the Egyptians wrote religious texts,
          described the great victories of the pharaohs, extremely useful recipes.
          Who and where dumped in difficult times was not recorded, and the times of the exodus were really difficult - the collapse of the Bronze Age, the whole world was sausage,
          Egypt resisted, but was very sick.
          1. +2
            24 June 2021 18: 38
            Not a collapse, but an energy crisis - for sure!
    4. +2
      24 June 2021 14: 30
      Quote: A. Privalov
      "The exodus of Jews from the country - to the collapse of the empire."

      The end of the 80s, as they rushed from the USSR ... Everyone saw the result. We need to study Egyptology more thoroughly laughing laughing wink drinks drinks good
    5. 0
      25 June 2021 10: 38
      We read from right to left: at night the cuckoo went off in a big way, laid an egg and left, but everything went haywire with us ...
      From left to right: a frying pan on the stove, catch up, catch the bird and by nightfall there will be only bones ...
  6. +6
    24 June 2021 08: 42
    And yet he did not advance further and was never able to read the hieroglyphic inscriptions. He had just begun to penetrate into the mystery of hieroglyphs, but ... more than five signs of his strength and intelligence were not enough.

    About lack of intelligence - this is perhaps superfluous. Jung had an abundance of mind, because he is known as a physicist, mechanic, astronomer, doctor, moreover, in all these areas he made a very significant contribution.
    And his contribution to decoding is considered very significant, and in the English-speaking world - the main one.
    It would not be bad in the continuation to devote a little space to the description of not only the "scientific feat", but also some "non-ceremonial" sides of Champollion's biography.
    1. +5
      24 June 2021 09: 03
      Quote: Undecim
      but also some "non-ceremonial" sides of Champollion's biography.

      How did we study Pushkin? First, one "parade", then it came to the rest. So it is here ...
  7. +7
    24 June 2021 10: 15
    This is the "Oedipus of Egypt" by Athanasius Kircher. As you know, he was the first after Gorapollo to try to interpret hieroglyphs. A charming person ... the most refined of interlocutors. How proud he looked the day he discovered that this hieroglyph means "the miracles of the divine Osiris are invoked by sacred ceremonies and a line of geniuses." Then came the rogue Champollion, a disgusting type, believe me, driven by infantile vanity, and insistently argued that this drawing meant the name of the pharaoh - and nothing else.

    "Foucault's pendulum" hi
  8. +3
    24 June 2021 14: 26
    It's not the first time I've read about the Rosetta Stone, about attempts to decipher it, about luck, about Champollion's success - but it's still interesting. The very history of Egypt seems to have been so studied over the past centuries and everything is clear, but on the other hand, there are so many questions. It seems like the well-known Great Pyramid of Pharaoh Khufu (Cheops) is the tomb of the pharaoh, but in the pyramid itself there is not a single inscription or fresco dedicated to the biography of the pharaoh for whom it was built. Yes, and in the pyramid itself there are still so many mysteries ... By the way, Zechariya Sitchin tried to answer some of them ... The most offensive of his books for the last 3,5 years is practically impossible to buy. When ordering, as soon as you put the books in the basket, the product is out of stock ... and then the offer is to buy the books of the Most Holy Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia laughing laughing laughing So the question arises, what is so? After all, 15 years ago, it was possible to buy the books of the aforementioned Sitchin in stores without any problems, and the works of Erich von Deniken and Michael Cremo can be purchased now and practically cannot be obtained via the Internet ...
    1. +1
      24 June 2021 14: 40
      Quote: Fitter65
      After all, 15 years ago, it was possible to buy the books of the aforementioned Sitchin in stores without any problems, and the works of Erich von Deniken and Michael Cremo can be purchased now and practically cannot be obtained via the Internet ...

      And they all sold out, so they are not on sale. As for the pyramid of Cheops and the pyramids in general, here on VO there was a cycle: WAR, GOLD, PYRAMIDS - there you will find a lot of interesting things ...
      1. +1
        24 June 2021 15: 15
        Quote: kalibr
        And they all sold out, so they are not on sale. As for the pyramid of Cheops and the pyramids in general, here on VO there was a cycle: WAR, GOLD, PYRAMIDS - there you will find a lot of interesting things ...

        Well, when a product is in demand, it is produced, but there is a paradox, the product is in demand but it is not produced ... And about the cycle you mentioned like "WAR, GOLD, PYRAMIDS", you would also advise to study the history of aviation according to R. Skomorokhov's articles on VO.
        1. 0
          24 June 2021 16: 24
          Quote: Fitter65
          you would still advise to study the history of aviation according to R. Skomorokhov's articles on VO.

          The fact that you wrote this way indicates that you have not read the articles of the cycle. Don't judge without reading. By the way, in one of the articles there is also the historiography of the issue ... That is, the source base.
          1. +2
            24 June 2021 16: 37
            I read, you shouldn't be like that. But I am more like that according to sources than retellings, even if they are beautifully retold ... hi
            1. 0
              24 June 2021 20: 47
              Quote: Fitter65
              I read, you shouldn't be like that. But I'm more like that according to sources

              Well, I don’t see at a distance, I don’t know you, I don’t own extrasensory perception. I am guided by the average level ...
        2. +1
          24 June 2021 16: 27
          Quote: Fitter65
          Well, when a product is in demand, it is produced

          Yes you are right. My book "Tanks are unique and paradoxical" was republished three times precisely at the request of the workers. Book "If Hitler took Moscow" - 2. But ... it all depends on the NUMBER OF REQUESTS. If there are few of them, no one will reprint the circulation. And if you order, but the circulation is not republished, it means that besides you, these books are of little interest to anyone.
    2. +3
      24 June 2021 16: 21
      By the way, Zachariya Sitchin tried to answer some of them ... The most offensive thing about his books for the last 3,5 years is practically impossible to buy.
      So the question arises, what is so?

      The population has lost interest in the Anunnaki, so they do not publish it. Buy Temple.
      By the way, Sitchin's Amazon can be bought completely freely, and for a symbolic price.
      1. +1
        24 June 2021 16: 32
        Quote: Undecim
        By the way, Sitchin's Amazon can be bought completely freely, and for a symbolic price.

        Thanks for the hint, about six months ago I was last interested in this issue, I did not go to the Amazon.
  9. +5
    24 June 2021 14: 26
    Hello colleagues!!! ))))
    Bow to Vyacheslav Olegovich!))))
    The hieroglyphic part of the Rosetta Stone inscription. Cartouches with royal names are clearly visible. British museum

    As I looked, I saw - but here they are, the royal names! good drinks wassat ))))
    1. +7
      24 June 2021 14: 52
      As I looked at the Rosette stone, I saw - yes, here they are, the royal names!

      From recent transcripts: lol
      Comrade, believe: spring will come,
      Jews will leave Egypt,
      Egypt will wake up from sleep
      And on the rosette monolith
      They will write our names! (from)
      1. +6
        24 June 2021 15: 12
        Quote: Richard
        As I looked at the Rosette stone, I saw - yes, here they are, the royal names!

        From recent transcripts: lol
        Comrade, believe: spring will come,
        Jews will leave Egypt,
        Egypt will wake up from sleep
        And on the rosette monolith
        They will write our names! (from)

        Alaverdi. Impromptu.
        In that fairy tale there is a lie, but there is a hint in it,
        The lesson has not been understood to this day.
        Thirty years is a decent time
        Slavs roam the desert.
        hi
        1. +5
          24 June 2021 16: 45
          Not thirty - fifty now!
          To the delight of people in many countries
          Comrade Sukhov in the desert
          It wanders victoriously on screens.
          Well, the hint of course is understood
          Like you, he hurts my soul
          our cinema today
          Until that one pulls the bar
          drinks
          1. +4
            24 June 2021 17: 45
            Quote: Richard
            Not thirty - fifty now!

            Now, the time has flown by ...
            When the film came out, I was in 10th grade. Of the actors who played, only in my opinion Tatyana Fedotova - Gulchatay - remained. She is already 70 ...
            1. +3
              24 June 2021 18: 00
              Born in 1950. She never starred in films again. After graduating from the ballet school, she worked in the dance ensemble "Lenconcert"
              a photo. Tatyana Fedotova with her son and daughter-in-law
              1. +3
                24 June 2021 19: 05
                They say that she is a member of some sect.
                All the women who played in this film lived a very difficult and not very happy life.
      2. +5
        24 June 2021 15: 16
        What a wonderful translation! It inspires complete and unconditional trust. This is what a profound mastery of the Coptic language means by a translator! drinks wassat ))))
  10. +2
    24 June 2021 15: 13
    Quote: Richard
    Well, they wrote about the Hyksos, and if I'm not mistaken, they have the most direct relation to the Jews - even the swords of both had almost the same name

    I think yes, they do ... At least they could have been part of the Hyksos invasion.
    But there is such a long period of ownership of Egypt that it still pops up, there and here ...
    1. +5
      24 June 2021 15: 20
      Here, Paul, they would write an article about the capture of Egypt by the Hyksos. The topic is interesting hi
      1. +3
        24 June 2021 15: 52
        Can. "Unknown paths of the Semitic tribes"
  11. +2
    24 June 2021 15: 54
    "proved the connection between hieroglyphs and .... the coats of arms of the French nobility" licked his ass well. True, there is a question: were the aristocrats happy or were there those who "rocked the rights? How so: our family comes from the first knights, and we have a cat, and de Peyrac trace their ancestry from the barber Olivier, and they have a bear."
    Remember, in Alexei Tolstoy's "Peter1", how the boyars argued: who sat higher?
    1. +4
      24 June 2021 17: 04
      proved the connection between hieroglyphs and .... the coats of arms of the French nobility "well licked ass
      .
      Well now there is no nobility, request but the clan of cat lovers on the site is very, very influential Yes
      Just in case, you need to "lick" them: tongue
      All our dear and beloved companions, cat lovers, God bless them - direct descendants of the Egyptian pharaohs fellow soldier
      1. +5
        24 June 2021 19: 31
        Oh, Dima, don’t steam salt. I have long said that cat lovers are a terrible force.
        I'm already afraid of my cat: fig knows him, maybe they also have social networks? What they conspire about there.
        I'm not sure, but I think: the cat Boris, remembered advertising, and the Skripals' cat is their leader. V.O. is also with them.
        And how many dog ​​lovers do we have: no more than 2 people?
        И
        1. +2
          24 June 2021 19: 37
          And how many dog ​​lovers do we have: no more than 2 people?

          Yes, we are still in the minority and have to go underground. Unfortunately we do not have our own "Tatra" request
          1. +1
            25 June 2021 08: 33
            Didn't know she was a "cat lady"
    2. +4
      24 June 2021 17: 52
      proved the connection between hieroglyphs and .... the coats of arms of the French nobility "licked his ass well. True, there is a question: the aristocrats were happy or were there any" pumping rights? How so: our family comes from the first knights, and we have a cat, and de Peyrac trace their ancestry from the barber Olivier, and they have a bear. "

      Svyatoslav, there is no need to write comments of this content without understanding the issue. And then it turns out stupidity.
  12. +3
    24 June 2021 16: 35
    Quote: kalibr
    My book "Tanks are unique and paradoxical" was republished three times precisely at the request of the workers. The book "If Hitler took Moscow" - 2.

    The same Solzhenitsyn or Rezun was republished without the workers' requests ... and oddly enough, some stores still have them ...
    1. +1
      24 June 2021 20: 51
      Quote: Fitter65
      they are still there ...

      Bad marketing! It so happens that a publisher, out of greed, publishes more than people can consume. And then books sit on store shelves for years. You always look at the year of publication ... Is it a publication or a reprint ...
  13. +1
    24 June 2021 18: 22
    Photo with caption
    Cartouche of Cleopatra II from the Philae Obelisk


    The photo is mirrored, back to front.
    1. +1
      24 June 2021 19: 09
      Either I was mistaken, and the cartouche is the opposite)))
      1. 0
        24 June 2021 20: 51
        The Egyptians wrote this way and that!
        1. 0
          24 June 2021 21: 53
          Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
          And the minusator does not sleep! )))
          And I do not admit that this one of the constant commentators on your articles is too solid, serious people, minus only in open polemics, in a clash of opinions. Slyly sneaking up on a harmless dialogue - only the one who perceives the articles as an excuse to buy popcorn, as well as for majestic remarks in the style of Napoleon or Alexander the Great, they say, will the author cope with the intended line of articles - what is it, huh? Making me laugh Homeric with a claim for membership no less than in the Russian Academy of Sciences, such remarks along the way lead to some thoughts of a medical nature)))
  14. +5
    24 June 2021 18: 25
    And in 1583, the doctor Pierre Langlois was found, who published a "study" with 54 tables in which he proved the connection between hieroglyphs and ... the coats of arms of the French nobility. By the way, he appropriated the image of an elephant to the Duke of Richelieu. And the popularity of this work was so great that it was even republished!

    Here you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, blamed Pierre l'Anglois, and some commentators picked it up.
    The book is called "Discours des hieroglyphes aegyptiens, emblemes, deuises, et armoiries" "Discussion about hieroglyphs, emblems, deities and coats of arms."
    At that time, the hieroglyph, emblem and coat of arms were recognized as related forms. The arts and sciences of the XNUMXth century took an amazing interest in emblems, symbols and allegories. And it was from the position of the emblem that the first attempts to decipher were made. That is, an analogy was drawn between the coats of arms and hieroglyphs from the point of view of symbolism, and not "a connection with the coats of arms of the nobility." At that time, hieroglyphs were used to refer to symbols, allegories, emblems and mottos, even without regard to the Egyptian context.
    And there were no tables in the first edition.
    The tables appeared in a second edition called Tableaux hieroglyphiques pour exprimer toutes conceptions, a la façon des AEgyptiens, par figures & images des choses, au lieu de lettres: avec plusieurs discours des Emblemes, Devises, armoiries, & interpretation de songes .. . "- Hieroglyphic tables for expressing all concepts, like the Egyptians, with numbers and images of things, not letters: with several speeches of emblems, currencies, coats of arms and the interpretation of dreams ... The key phrase" like the Egyptians. "
    Actually, these were not tables, but dedications to various people.

    This is a "table" dedicated to Richelieu.
    1. +1
      24 June 2021 20: 54
      Took from the book "Country of Great Hapi" 1955 edition. Then they were very, I would say, anxious about the facts. And if we throw out all sorts of praises, then the informational level of the books is very high. Just like, for example, "Ancient Rus" by Mavrodin ... Remove words and quotes from the leader and a book for all times. But it's good that you took the trouble to find all this. It's just very good. Once again I am convinced that Soviet authors did everything to present them “there” in a bad light.
      1. +5
        24 June 2021 21: 11
        Yes, the phrase "... an essay provided for clarity with 54 tables ..." says directly that the respected authors of the book did not see it in the eye, which, given their level, is surprising.
      2. +3
        24 June 2021 21: 19
        Once again I am convinced that Soviet authors did everything to present them “there” in a bad light.
        Come on, Vyacheslav Olegovich! If you claim that you yourself have avoided this path, I will be very surprised!
        Meanwhile, thanks for the article!
        1. +3
          24 June 2021 22: 02
          By the way.
          There, in the article, is a sign. The hieroglyph is a letter. Why is there no "lion" as conjugation with the letter "L Latin"? Indeed, a comparison of the cartouches of Cleopatra and Ptolemy directly implies that the "lion" is the letter L.
        2. +2
          25 June 2021 05: 07
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          If you claim that you yourself have avoided this path, I will be very surprised!

          Of course not. Was in trend! But then I did not write historical articles!
  15. 0
    25 June 2021 15: 24
    Quote: Undecim

    In general, he is a semi-legendary person. Some researchers deny its existence altogether.

    If He is a semi-legendary person, for example, like Gilgamesh, then there is no point in referring to Him?
    1. +3
      25 June 2021 15: 37
      It makes no sense - if it's legendary. And so - the probability is at least 50%. Moreover, if such respected people as Okasha El Daly consider it possible.
  16. 0
    26 June 2021 19: 05
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    Quote: Boris55
    And about "Veles's book" will be

    "Veles's book"? laughing
    Do you want me to write?

    Look, that's not a bad idea. Comments under it (article) will be great.