Herd immunity fiasco: Russians waited for the third wave of COVID-19

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Are you vaccinated against COVID-19?

Yes - 201 (37.22%)
37.22%
No, but ready for vaccination - 112 (20.74%)
20.74%
No, and I'm not going to - 227 (42.04%)
42.04%
Herd immunity fiasco: Russians waited for the third wave of COVID-19
© 2015 Christian Emmer

Covid is not terrible


Since June 10, the situation with coronavirus infection has sharply deteriorated in Russia.

The daily growth rate has exceeded 10 thousand infected, and there is every reason to believe that this is not yet the peak of the incidence. In the capital, the situation is worst of all - an outbreak of infection has returned Muscovites to the December pandemic levels.



We and the whole world have already begun to get used to COVID-19, but the summer situation is not typical.

First, the virus picks up steam in dry, warm weather under sunlight, which should be detrimental to the parasite.

Secondly, Russia meets him in a state of full combat readiness - the reserve of beds is sufficient, and the doctors have already learned how to cope with the infection. The only problem is that Russians stubbornly refuse to vaccinate. The coronavirus turned out to be not terrible for the overwhelming majority of the country's population. At least psychologically. The consequences of vaccination are much worse.

В stories with the vaccine and the Russians are full of paradoxes. The country was the first in the world to register an antiquated "Sputnik V" last year, and by the beginning of the summer of 2021, only 10% of the population supplied two components of the vaccine! At the same time, it takes six or even eight times more to create herd immunity.

Of course, those who have had coronavirus will also contribute, but there are no exact figures regarding the share of Russians with natural antibodies.

And most likely it won't.

First, any studies on large-scale samples do not provide an accurate picture.

And, secondly, the immunity of the ill person is a very ephemeral ability. Doctors still don't know how long it can last. Simply because the research time is short - a little over one and a half years. The infection is relatively new, and all data is received in real time. That is why it is most correct to form collective immunity by vaccination. But they don't think so in Russia. At least some of the remaining 90% are unvaccinated.


Source: Mos.ru

Here are some interesting statistics.

About 10% of citizens who received the required two doses of the vaccine are mentioned above.

A logical question will be - is it a lot or a little?

In the world ranking, Russia is on ... 57th place in this parameter! Moreover, on June 15, our country is in sixth place in terms of the number of cases. Over the entire time of the pandemic, more than 127 thousand Russians died, and we are already the fifth in mortality in world statistics. All of these numbers are not encouraging given the current outbreak of COVID-19. In terms of the daily growth rate of the infected, we are in a specific company with Brazil, Argentina, Colombia and Iran. Recall that these countries have to purchase the vaccine for foreign currency from the leftovers after the countries of the first magnitude.

In Russia, meanwhile, citizens do not recognize any statistics. One of the reasons why people stubbornly refuse to get vaccinated is the lack of faith in the effectiveness of vaccination. Say, there is no panacea for COVID-19, and come what may.

No matter how trite it sounds, let's get back to the entertaining statistics.

Take Israel, for example. According to the official authorities, the Israelis have almost achieved herd immunity - the proportion of citizens who received at least one dose of the vaccine is more than 60%. Israel actually holds the palm, second only to Bhutan with its 64% vaccinated. Tel Aviv lifted most of the pandemic restrictions at the end of February and now no more than 50 people are detected every day. As they say in respected circles, the correlation is obvious.

Vaccine apartment


There are countries in the world that are chronically lacking in anticancer vaccines. For different reasons. For example, India simply does not have time to supply vaccinations in the required volumes. As a result, Indian doctors used about 200 million doses (not identical to the number of vaccinated) of Johnson & Johnson, Moderna and Pfizer / BioNTech vaccines. In terms of the proportion of vaccinated, the billionth population of India is far from the world's top, but this is not the fault of the irresponsible citizens of the country.

The situation is similar with China. More than 420 million vaccinations have been made in the country, and this is not much compared to the 1,5 billion population. But Beijing managed to organize its own citizens into a real antique army. Decades of China's struggle with respiratory syndromes of varying severity have already formed herd immunity. Not in the blood, but in the minds of the Chinese.

The Russian Federation now has everything for a full-fledged vaccination against COVID-19. There are several vaccinations to choose from (although Sputnik V is still the most common). You can easily find the nearest vaccination point or hop on the vaccination bus, which now even runs through the villages. It is possible, after all, to win an apartment and a car in Moscow after an injection! Compare this to the possibilities of one of the millions of poor families somewhere in the suburbs of Mumbai or Delhi.

After that, 10% of those vaccinated in Russia look like at least a mockery. We laugh at scientists, in particular, at Denis Logunov and his team. Sputnik V has become a real world breakthrough. Serious peer-reviewed scientific publications have confirmed 90% of the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine. This, by the way, puts the achievement of Logunov's team on a par with foreign vaccines from Johnson & Johnson, Moderna and Pfizer / BioNTech. A mockery in numbers: with 90% efficiency, 90% of Russians at the moment "Sputnik V" is simply not needed.


Source: mos.ru

We laugh at others.

Behind the reluctance to get the vaccine, which is within walking distance, hides elementary selfishness. People believed that over the past year and a half they had "definitely been ill" and did not want to hear about any injections. The arguments are different. “I do not tolerate vaccinations well”, “It's all a conspiracy of the state”, “The vaccine does not help”, “I am young and can easily tolerate covid” and the like. Most significant:

"My cousin's nephew's maternal grandfather was paralyzed right after the injection - you have to think a hundred times more before agreeing to the vaccine."
Inner unconscious self-love simply overshadows all arguments for collective good.

We do not understand or do not want to understand that everyone who is not vaccinated is an element of the transmission of the virus to another. Even if not sick. Like in the domino effect, only such a COVID dissident can put several fellow citizens in a hospital bed at once. And they are a few more, and so on. Something similar happened in Moscow and the Moscow region.

Despite the fact that Sobyanin announced about 50% of the population with immunity (mainly those who have recovered), more than 5 thousand infected are recorded in the city every day. Now this situation is being gradually extrapolated to the whole of Russia. This has already happened twice, if you remember.

What will happen next?

In 3-4 weeks, we expect a surge in mortality. The state will naturally come to new restrictions. Probably, new variants of the coronavirus will appear in Russia, already ours, homegrown. In the end, we ourselves create a wide field for mutation for SARS-CoV-2. Developed vaccines may not be as specific to "novelties" as they are to classic viruses.

Now immunologists are afraid that herd immunity will require 80% of the population with antibodies. And if we come to this, it will be in 2022.

In the end, the question remains - where to get so many apartments and cars for those who are ready to deliver the vaccine?
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  1. +8
    17 June 2021 03: 26
    only such a COVID dissident can put several fellow citizens in a hospital bed at once.
    Covid dolboy.
    1. +21
      17 June 2021 07: 13
      The distrustful electorate has become (Unified State Exam generation). But in the USSR, the people were conscious, banks were charged from the TV.
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 07: 48
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        The mistrustful electorate has become

        It is well known that if even the stupidest animal is hit on the head with a stick every time, after some action, they, sooner or later, will understand that it will hurt from such an action. Naive citizens have already received from the authorities so many times for their trust in them that they have developed the same conditioned reflex: believe it will hurt.
        Look at the non-guarantee itself. He is supposedly vaccinated. But still EVERYONE (except Biden) who meets with him is forced to undergo a two-week quarantine. Coincidence? I don't think
        But those of you, dear members of the forum, who are not very healthy, I still urge you to be vaccinated, despite the very stick over your head
        1. +33
          17 June 2021 08: 30
          ... Russia meets him in a state of full combat readiness - there are sufficient reserve beds, and doctors have already learned how to cope with infection

          That a year ago, that now the coronavirus is treated with anticoagulants and dexamethasone. Supportive treatment, since there have been no drugs to cure coronavirus.
          1. +21
            17 June 2021 14: 35
            Quote: Stas157
            Supportive treatment, since there have been no drugs to cure coronavirus

            And it won't. Remember the roto-virus ... in principle, no more dangerous than a cold, except for diarrhea, however, there is no cure for it, all treatment is symptomatic. Covid, apparently from the same clip.
            1. +7
              17 June 2021 16: 59
              I have been closely following the global pandemic of covid from the very beginning, I see its terrible harvest all over the world. There is no doubt about its existence, it is a terrible disease that instantly flares up and takes people to the next world. Not all, of course, but who can say for sure that he will be lucky and he either will not get infected at all, or will get sick in a mild form? Nobody except pofuists and crazy! Rescue from illness in severe form and possible death - vaccination.

              I myself live, unfortunately, in a country where I can get vaccinated on TV offer some dubious vaccine, passing it off as a miracle, and in our places - generally silence. I would gladly be vaccinated with any Russian vaccine, but we only have them in commercial centers for a lot of money ...
              .
              I absolutely DO NOT understand and it is VERY sorry for those crazy Russians who, having the opportunity to be vaccinated with the WORLD'S BEST Russian vaccines, in every possible way avoid vaccination! No, the one who was the first to say about the two troubles of Russia was right after all. And, although the roads in Russia today are already, it seems, well built, the number of D.U. cancers in it is clearly NOT decreasing ...
              1. -3
                17 June 2021 21: 08
                These "smart guys" are VERY similar to those who said:
                - In spite of my grandmother, I will frostbitten my ears !!!
                и
                - In spite of the conductor I'll buy a ticket and go on foot !!!

                Only here the outcome will be more serious. However, in Russia there have always been those who like to play "Russian roulette" ... And if this opposition is directed against the current government of Russia, then nothing can be more stupid: what can be proved by a risky game with one's own health and life?fool request
                1. -7
                  18 June 2021 11: 04
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  VERY these "smart guys" are like those

                  And what's interesting: all these fierce critics and opponents of vaccination from among those who always против all good Russian undertakings, no matter what is done. Why those who are supposed to clean the site from dirt DO NOT do this - a mystery and a great regret of all adequate people who have told me about this many times. And - once again - we have to regret that there is no indicator of who and how votes on the comments: this would increase the responsibility of each voter, would allow all see all voters and would highlight those who silently minus. I am sure that they are just from that group of critics of everything and always, and their names are well known to everyone. The easiest way is to act blindly from the darkness and surreptitiously.smile
                  1. +1
                    19 June 2021 10: 37
                    Well, I will answer all your questions ...
                    We are reproached by a person who prefers to love Russia from far away ... living over the hill ... of course it is easy to give advice from there, especially since there you do not need to strain your brains for survival ...
                    Regarding the fact that ludi do not want to be vaccinated:
                    1) The virus is man-made and regardless of whether people are vaccinated or not, its new modifications will collect their victims. Tk the best minds of the planet, with the tacit support of the authorities of all countries without any problems, will create a mutation that effectively destroys vaccinated people.
                    2) Vaccination weakens the immune system and harms the health of the individual for the good of society ... In the USSR, I would be vaccinated for the sake of society, because that government could be trusted ... In peripheral capitalism, NO! Because everything is set for profit and in the best In case the ruling class just wants to cut the dough for vaccinations ... And with a greater degree of probability - the goal of vaccination is to prevent citizens from surviving until retirement ...
                    3) The government has been pursuing a policy of genocide of the people for 30 years .... the rapidly shrinking local population is being replaced by migrants from Central Asia, who have no claims to the existing government and have no right to infrastructure and resources. Moreover, they create social tension and increase the crime rate, which is very beneficial for the authorities. (the principle of controlled chaos, divide to conquer).
                    4) Is the government concerned about the extinction of the people? and for this he decided to vaccinate us all ...... Moreover, he provides the vaccine for free - in a capitalist society) free cheese ..... 8)

                    PS: a new wave of coronavirus is approaching, new outbreaks of disease have already begun and markets are beginning to fall ... The fall in markets will be very strong, about 1.5 times stronger than in 2020. And there will be lockdowns and a large number of victims ...
                    I advise everyone to buy canned food and toilet paper ... as well as disinfectants and medicines ...
                    1. +2
                      19 June 2021 11: 12
                      Quote: seos
                      Regarding the fact that ludi do not want to be vaccinated:

                      I read yours, a terrible prophet-false prophet, posing as God, the message and wanted to answer that you are not for me, but urgently to the clinic to a psychiatrist. But I doubted: you do not seem to be Russian, because you write with big errors on Russian and my native language. And to determine the degree of patriotism by place of residence and citizenship - great stupidity: the entire "fifth column" has Russian passports (yet?).

                      PS And please don't poke me. For some reason I am sure that I am much older than you.

                      PPS No, the truth about Russia's troubles is clearly right! smile
                      1. -9
                        19 June 2021 13: 27
                        Time will judge us) ...
                        In 3 months the markets will be at the bottom. Oil will cost less than 20 per barrel, stock indexes will fall more than in 2020. It was for the fall of the markets that this epidemic was invented.
                        After the markets fall, the epidemic will end abruptly ... like everyone will be cured ...
                        The world is in the final stage of the Super-Crisis of 2008, the final wave will be very strong, after the fall, or immediately rapid growth will begin, or the world will fall into the Great Depression for several years. (negative option).
                        I am not pretending to be God, modern analysts, to whom I belong, can predict global events with high accuracy.
                        In a couple of months you will be foaming at the mouth to prove that I just accidentally managed to guess these events ...
                        My prediction:
                        dollar - 95-110 rubles
                        euro 100-130 rubles
                        MICEX - 1600 p
                        RTS - 700 p
                        By the way, who does not remember the 2008 crisis began with the SARS epidemic - what a coincidence ... wassat
                      2. +2
                        19 June 2021 13: 34
                        Quote: seos
                        Time will judge us) ...

                        Well, well, there were false predictors of the death of the world and Russia lot... Where are they all now? Who sits quietly ... s, who - in a psychiatric hospital. And the world and Russia continue to exist ... laughing

                        Himself, "prophet", isn't it funny? If it’s funny, then it’s okay, then it’s not a patient in a medical facility. laughing
                      3. +2
                        19 June 2021 15: 16
                        Quote: seos
                        My prediction:
                        dollar - 95-110 rubles
                        euro 100-130 rubles
                        MICEX - 1600 p
                        RTS - 700 p

                      4. -1
                        20 June 2021 09: 43
                        since 14 years old I hear a forecast of a dollar for a hundred, well, someday it will come true, probably. Jews are smart people and almost all of Israel is vaccinated, even from the echo of matzo kovid the dissidents were grafted, which means that they did learn something. Germans are smart people, therefore, they pay euros and go to Russia to get vaccinated so that it is faster. and in my opinion people with Down syndrome are smarter than covid dissidents
                    2. +1
                      19 June 2021 15: 10
                      Quote: seos
                      irus man-made and regardless of whether people are vaccinated or not, its new modifications will collect their victims

                      proofs?

                      Quote: seos
                      ) Vaccination weakens the immune system and harms the health of the individual for the benefit of society ...

                      of course you didn't get vaccinated against diphtheria, measles and polymeelitis?
                      \
                      Quote: seos
                      ... In the USSR, I would be vaccinated for the sake of society, because that government could be trusted

                      never thought vaccination depended on trust in government
                      Quote: seos
                      Is the government concerned about the extinction of the people? and for this he decided to vaccinate us all ...



                      Quote: seos
                      I advise everyone to buy canned food and toilet paper ... as well as disinfectants and medicines ..

                      oxide - half of the civilized world has already been vaccinated and is returning to normal life
              2. -9
                17 June 2021 21: 54
                having the opportunity to vaccinate for FREE
                And who announced that in subsequent years they will always be vaccinated against this virus at the expense of the state? And who proved that the vaccinated will not be then forced to be vaccinated every year, in contrast to the unvaccinated?
                I myself live, unfortunately, in a country where they offer to vaccinate on TV with some dubious vaccine, passing it off as a miraculous
                This is Russia?
                THE WORLD'S BEST Russian vaccines
                It's sarcasm? Or is there evidence?
              3. +2
                18 June 2021 05: 57
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                THE WORLD'S BEST Russian vaccines

                Where does this data come from? Who gave this assessment?

                The satellite is hard to carry by many. I know firsthand. And to the epivac crown, there are big questions about efficiency. It was promoted by Anna Popova herself, who in a fantastic way found herself in the developers of this very vaccine. How could this happen??
              4. Aag
                +2
                18 June 2021 11: 09
                "... And, although the roads in Russia today are already, it seems, well built, the number of D.U. cancer in it is clearly NOT decreasing ..."
                Precisely because on TV (from which they campaign for vaccination) they see some roads, and they have to travel along others, - some Russians are not vaccinated!
                1. +2
                  18 June 2021 14: 47
                  Back in April, after watching TV, with information about vaccinations in circus theaters and perhaps in every entrance, I decided to get myself vaccinated. I went online to get information about the nearest vaccination point. It turned out - in the clinic, it is also the only one in my village (the village of Dagomys, approximately 40 thousand inhabitants, is considered a remote part of the city of Sochi). I looked for information about vaccination points throughout Sochi. Ash 11 (eleven) points, for a half-million city (according to other sources - for 800 thousand inhabitants). My brother, having signed up at the clinic a week before me, received a promise to call him for vaccination within a month (remember, this is April). In mid-April I signed up for a vaccination, they promised to vaccinate me within two weeks, but they called me in about a week later.
                  I'm wondering if the rate of vaccination in Sochi has remained the same, after what time the entire half-million population will be vaccinated (if suddenly everyone has a desire).
                  1. -1
                    19 June 2021 16: 14
                    if everything is as you write, then your local authorities need to be held accountable. Yesterday there was an annual professional examination from the enterprise where I work. in the clinic there is an announcement, who wants to be vaccinated against covid, we ask in room 204. came, 5 minutes and the first vaccination was done. Siberia, Altai.
          2. ANB
            +2
            19 June 2021 00: 58
            ... since there were no drugs to cure coronavirus, and there are still no drugs.

            With drugs for viruses in general, it is very tight. They are also between living and dead mothers.
        2. +17
          17 June 2021 09: 01
          I still urge
          As you cleverly in one comment, two opposite things stated. Here I have an increased level of antibodies, still go? And tell me where are you from so many agitators, through thoughtlessness or for the loot? Maybe you have a medical education or you have learned all the secrets of the universe that you are so confidently calling into the unknown
          1. +9
            17 June 2021 09: 22
            Quote: Gardamir
            As you cleverly in one comment, two opposite things stated. Here I have an increased level of antibodies, still go?

            Dear Gardamir, I probably just didn't make it clear to the end.
            But those of you, dear forum users, who is not very healthy, nevertheless I urge to be grafted,

            I did not mean healthy young people who have been ill and those who have immunity, but those who have chronic diseases of the kidneys, liver, heart, lungs, etc. They are at risk in the first place. And I think they should be on the safe side if their antibodies are too low.
            It was just an inaccuracy of expression, nothing more, for which he was punished by you. After all, for this you, with all proletarian severity, slashed minus with a three-star general's saber
            1. +27
              17 June 2021 09: 31
              slashed minus
              I here decided to conduct an experiment on VO and I have not put any cons for a long time.
              As for my health, I had both covid and a heart attack. And somehow I'm afraid of the unknown, vaccinations that are stuck together on my knee. Plus, I don't understand why such desperate campaigning. Besides, for some reason I do not believe those at the top.
              1. +23
                17 June 2021 10: 51
                Besides, for some reason I do not believe those at the top.


                It's funny, however ..)
                As the election results are announced, this is how 76% trust Putin ..
                And how to get vaccinated - so the alignment immediately changes ..
                Would draw then, or something, that 76% took root .. and that's the end ..))
                1. -2
                  17 June 2021 20: 53

                  It's funny though ...))) wassat
                  Amazing !!! There is so much hatred for the country in which she was born and raised. This is a pathology. There is one more - a tennis player from Sochi.
                2. 0
                  18 June 2021 02: 38
                  And this is also funny ...
                  Somewhere in the vastness of the tyrnet ...
                  -----------
                  “I repeat, it’s just absolutely urgent to stop two black businesses, the consequences of which are terrible in the epidemic: the black trade in vaccination certificates and the black service of very respected people by very respected specialists.

                  Not far from me, in a seven-minute waddling pace, there is a family of very smart people who have bought certificates. Now they walk under God and admire the purchased pieces of paper.

                  Covid doesn't care about your cunning.

                  Very respected people can even personally fly in a blue helicopter directly to the roof of the intensive care unit, jump there even with the entire staff of very respected state authorities, but if you hand over your highly respected employees to the intensive care unit after a week of self-medication at the workplace and with 75% lung damage, then any resuscitator can easily turn on the blonde and answer that the probability of a meeting with the Apostle Peter is 50/50: either he will die or not.

                  Covid doesn't care how many millions you've paid for useless drug cocktails to rogues with doctoral degrees.

                  The virus is undead.
                  He does not care about cunning, loot and your schematosis.

                  Particularly cunning will simply zip.

                  Don't know a new buzzword? Zipper is the zipper of a black bag. Zip - with a characteristic zip fasten the zipper over the suffocated person.

                  And go to bed after a sleepless shift. And then again - to intubate, save, endure the bulling of the choking FSB officers, endure the harassment of the owners of life to the deadly tired nurses, endure the tantrums of the bosses, who are disgusted from the very top, endure terrible fatigue, take their tests on a fake patient, heal, heal, heal and save people , gasping, ingratiating, threatening, hoping to fight a cytokine storm, staying on their feet for days, not paying attention to the temperature, afraid to sneeze or coughing in a spacesuit so as not to get lung barotrauma, and so for weeks and months, trying not to count the zipped ones - who the day before yesterday they wanted to live, but yesterday they didn’t want to live because of torment - and standing on this conveyor of death in the middle of a blooming summer to remain human. "
                  -----------
                  New word in dictionary-
                  -ZIP.
              2. +33
                17 June 2021 11: 04
                Quote: Gardamir
                And somehow I'm afraid of the unknown

                And the author of the article carefully passes over in silence the question of complications.
                A wonderful vaccine, a bad population .... I wrote about everything. Only not about possible complications - not a word, not a figure. It seems that the authorities and doctors are not interested in complications at all.
                And this silence about complications arouses in people quite legitimate suspicions that something is somehow unclean here.
                Yes, the author himself admits that
                ... the research time is short - a little over one and a half years. The infection is relatively new, and all data is received in real time.

                But at the same time encourages milestones to participate in this global experiment as guinea pigs.
                1. +16
                  17 June 2021 14: 42
                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  And the author of the article carefully passes over in silence the question of complications.

                  Absolutely agree. The mother-in-law was ill with covid, complications went into the hands. I did not have time to recover, I fell for an advertising vaccination company and two months later received another blow on the hands, aggravated it so to speak. Despite the fact that the doctor herself said to go do it, she knew very well about the complications. Do you still believe doctors?
                2. +9
                  17 June 2021 22: 06
                  Hlavaty (Vladimir Glavaty). But at the same time encourages milestones to participate in this global experiment as guinea pigs.

                  No one should be subjected to torture, violence, other cruel or degrading treatment or punishment. No one can be subjected to medical, scientific or other experiments without voluntary consent (part 2 th. 21 of the RF CONSTITUTION).
              3. -13
                17 June 2021 11: 14
                Someone will say: "This is a personal matter for everyone - to be vaccinated or to die, but you grafted on - and be silent in a rag, what do you want?" Someone else will speculate about mass chipping by means of vaccinations or that the "crown" was specially brought from behind a hillock, or that there are no viruses at all and he personally examines his palms through glasses every day and has not yet seen any viruses ...
                Well, let's say, speculation about chipping can not be discussed - in our country, almost the entire population has long been chipped by means of the Unified State Exam and looking into a zombie box. Bloggers and newfangled tick-tokers have also done their part in smoothing the convolutions. But I strongly doubt that vaccination is a deeply personal matter.
                A month of non-working days, to which (at least in Moscow) was added another week, is eight percent of the annual national income. Add to this the costs of covid centers, which will have to be mothballed when (and if) the epidemic ends. This is the cost of treating hundreds of thousands of patients in hospitals. By the way, the treatment of one "kovidnik" costs 200 thousand rubles. With 5 million cases, if only one in five is hospitalized, this amounts to two hundred billion rubles. And this is the money that could be spent on social and innovative projects.
                And how many losses will be associated with the transition to "remote" in universities and schools, given our feeble education, how many people will die from the fact that planned operations are postponed, how many people have lost their jobs - this has yet to be counted.
                In Israel, vaccination has become mandatory - and there the epidemic is over. In our country, the rubber will last until the first vaccinated people lose their immunity, and then everything will start again. Who needs it besides pharmaceutical companies?
                But there is another problem. The likelihood of dangerous mutations is proportional to the number of carriers of the virus. And sooner or later, such a mutation will definitely happen. Should this incubator be kept, or should it be slammed at once by mandatory vaccination?
                For decades, there were no outbreaks of dangerous infections in the USSR - because everyone was vaccinated from birth on a mandatory planned basis. So measles, poliomyelitis, smallpox were defeated. In Ukraine, "democracy" and the refusal of mandatory vaccinations have already led to outbreaks of measles - so far God has mercy on us. But vaccinated dissidence is becoming more and more impudent, so that this cup will not pass us by either.
                What, in fact, are the authorities trying to achieve with such a toothless policy? Afraid of mass protests? But they seem to have learned how to deal with them, and special protests about vaccinations are hardly to be expected - this, after all, is not outrage at the massive theft of officials.
                Or are you planning to stretch everything out for many years, under this guise of fighting any street protests? Or is it all about stupidity?
                I don't know what the authorities want, but I know what I would do.

                1. Introduce covid-passports, exempting the vaccinated from wearing a hateful muzzle.
                2. Introduce paid (in full!) Treatment for covid for hard-core refuseniks who have no contraindications for vaccination.
                3. Those who did not get vaccinated on time, despite the invitation, should be fined mercilessly or even judged by releasing an appropriate law under this case.
                4. All benefits associated with the epidemic would be canceled - for everyone, regardless of immune status.

                What do you think?
                1. +6
                  17 June 2021 11: 30
                  Quote: astepanov
                  In Israel, vaccination has become mandatory - and there the epidemic is over.

                  Duc, God's chosen one can be injected with one thing, but for us, sinners - another. You look at the situation with medicine in Russia and think: maybe it's better not to play machines at vaccination centers, but places in a cemetery?
                  1. -3
                    17 June 2021 14: 30
                    Duc, God's chosen one may be pricked by one,

                    This is the bullshit that obscurantists are anti-vaccine against any vaccine.
                    I also think that modern is better, but any existing vaccine is better than none. Even the notorious astrozenek. I pricked the satellite at the end of January, now I would prick modern, but then it was impossible to get it.
                    1. +2
                      17 June 2021 14: 49
                      These vaccines should be reminded of the fight against smallpox with the help of VACCINATION! Moreover, many elderly people remember that they vaccinated EVERYONE from infancy !! Many have a scar from the vaccine on their forearms! RESULT: The complete disappearance of BLACK POISK!
                      1. -12
                        17 June 2021 15: 16
                        There is no need to remind anyone of anything. Vaccination must be mandatory!
                      2. +9
                        17 June 2021 17: 03
                        Quote: didra
                        Vaccination must be mandatory!

                        in veterinary medicine. They won't mind
                      3. +1
                        17 June 2021 20: 43
                        Quote: Overlock
                        in veterinary medicine. They won't mind
                        You can pick it in the nose or not pick it at your own choice, because it makes others neither warm nor cold. But refusal to vaccinate ruins everyone. I cannot do a planned operation because of such lovers of freedom at someone else's expense as you.
                      4. +13
                        17 June 2021 20: 58
                        Quote: astepanov
                        I can't do a planned operation because of such lovers of freedom at someone else's expense as you


                        You cannot do a planned operation because of coronavirus, and not because of the refusal of vaccination. Coronavirus, however, is done by those interested in vaccination.
                        My freedom does not concern you in any way.
                        I get vaccinated at least ten times, but the Kovidobes will still say that we need eleven and will give a lot of mutually exclusive justifications.
                        Have you optimized your medicine? Here in optimization and look for the causes of your problems.
                      5. +2
                        18 June 2021 04: 13
                        Coronation? They scared me with the flu, and I know of my friends only one serious case. But there the man was himself sick. And already a dozen of those he knew left the crown.
                        And there are those who have been seriously ill. They are somehow not thrilled. They do not want a second time.
                        Those who talk about coronation should be under mechanical ventilation.
                      6. +1
                        18 June 2021 08: 00
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        it is necessary under mechanical ventilation.

                        And those who spoke about Nazism in Germany in the 30s, were they supposed to go to a concentration camp?
                        Thank you for your "good" wishes.
                        Let each one be rewarded according to his faith.
                      7. -1
                        18 June 2021 08: 11
                        Humanists should not wag their tongues and fingers about coronation. Can you bring people back, who isn't there? Humanists ...
                      8. +3
                        18 June 2021 08: 44
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        Humanists should not wag their tongues and fingers about coronation.

                        Not fascist to tell me what is worth and what is not.
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        Can you bring people back, who isn't there? Humanists ...

                        Crocodile tears.
                      9. -1
                        18 June 2021 14: 18
                        Biology is not fascism.
                      10. +5
                        18 June 2021 19: 31
                        Don't hide behind biology. Josef Mengele was a physician.
                        Fascism is, among other things, a diktat.
                        To fascist means totally to impose the "only correct" opinion and
                        to shut the mouths of the dissenters.
                        An example of fascism -
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        Those who say ....... need ventilation.
                      11. -4
                        19 June 2021 03: 20
                        No need to rush with words. Any doctor from covidarium will tell you the same. There you will sing differently.
                      12. 0
                        20 June 2021 21: 39
                        No one denies that there is some kind of virus. The problem is in the vaccine, which acts on the genome and was concocted in half a year. Do you understand at all what she can do to you? This is so incomprehensible to the mind, because, in theory, these are experiments on humans. How will these changes in the genome affect you, your children, how is this change passed on to the offspring? The risk of dying from a corona is lower than in an accident. But you don't get vaccinated from the accident, do you? And you go to work, which is more dangerous. The chance of dying before reaching work is higher than from the coronavirus.


                        Example - "Investigation of Izvestia": For secret experiments on children, doctors received 90 thousand dollars ... Now, after a sinister experiment, one of the doctors even bought an apartment in Moscow. "vaccinations". "

                        "According to the June 5, 2020 World Health Organization guidelines on the use of face masks, there is no direct evidence that universal masking for healthy people is effective against respiratory diseases."
                        but
                        "The analysis revealed the following 11 dangerous pathogens on the masks:

                        - Streptococcus pneumoniae (pneumonia)
                        - Mycobacterium tuberculosis (tuberculosis)
                        - Neisseria meningitidis (meningitis, sepsis)
                        - Acanthamoeba polyphaga (keratitis and granulomatous amoebic encephalitis)
                        - Acinetobacter baumanni (pneumonia, bloodstream infections, meningitis, UTI - antibiotic resistant)
                        - Escherichia coli (food poisoning)
                        - Borrelia burgdorferi (causes Lyme disease)
                        - Corynebacterium diphtheriae (diphtheria)
                        - Legionella pneumophila (Legionnaires' disease)
                        - Staphylococcus pyogenes serotype M3 (severe infections - high incidence)
                        - Staphylococcus aureus (meningitis, sepsis). "
                      13. -1
                        21 June 2021 02: 49
                        During the time of the crown in Russia, 127 thousand died. Anything more than accidents. And to scare bacilli .... Now their lack in the body)). From that allergy.
                      14. -2
                        19 June 2021 04: 20
                        And most importantly:
                        Nobody chose Dachau and Auschwitz for themselves.
                        And instead of a normal and good vaccine (free of charge), they choose resuscitation themselves.
                        Although doctors are screaming at every corner. They then run around you for such days. And because of you, someone will not be given the help they need. Because honey. the system once again lay down.
                      15. +2
                        19 June 2021 10: 33
                        Doctors themselves do not want to be vaccinated, even under the threat of dismissal.
                      16. +1
                        19 June 2021 12: 35
                        Figured it out myself?
                      17. +2
                        19 June 2021 12: 37
                        https://www.pravmir.ru/tret-rossijskih-vrachej-ne-gotova-privivatsya-ot-koronavirusa/
                        And this is without conclusions from personal communication (everyone does not want there)
                      18. +4
                        19 June 2021 21: 53
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Doctors themselves do not want to be vaccinated, even under the threat of dismissal.


                        For they know that -
                        1. During the epidemic, vaccination is not performed.
                        2. The term of vaccine development (development and testing) cannot be less than two years.

                        My wife is a medic. Says: - "What am I, a fool or what?"
                        And most interestingly, doctors in administrative positions also say, whose job it is to ensure that healthcare workers are vaccinated. When they themselves, "without a protocol" are asked: - Will you yourself? So right away - I, what, what?
                      19. +7
                        17 June 2021 23: 29
                        Quote: astepanov
                        I can't do a planned operation because of such lovers of freedom at someone else's expense as you

                        You are a collateral victim of the pharmaceutical industry's struggle for profits. Ask the question, who benefits from covid hysteria?
                        And not letting you into scheduled operations is one of the ways to maintain it. Along with the constant painful chewing of the topic in the news.
                      20. +7
                        17 June 2021 22: 41
                        Quote: didra
                        There is no need to remind anyone of anything. Vaccination must be mandatory!

                        For livestock, probably yes, but for people?
                      21. -8
                        18 June 2021 09: 34
                        An emergency is announced and everyone is vaccinated without asking, since the opinion of idiots at this moment is not taken into account and they can roll up their rights into a tube ... well, you get the idea.
                      22. +10
                        17 June 2021 21: 48
                        Quote: vadim dok
                        vaccinated EVERYONE from infancy!

                        Yes vaccinated everyone, BUT ONCE ... And with vaccinations against covid, it turns out that you need to be vaccinated SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR.
                        And it looks like we are being offered to do it ALL THE REST OF LIFE.
                        Don't you think this is suspicious?
                        Are you sure your body can handle these constant vaccinations?
                        Are you sure that constant vaccinations will not cause complications for which you will have to be treated separately and, possibly, more expensive and longer than from covid? And some may not be cured, such as a stroke from a thrombosis caused by a vaccine.

                        Many may have taken root, but all this unhealthy excitement causes mistrust and increased caution. Many people know that it is a favorite trick of scammers to make a hustle and bustle. They try not to give their victim time to think, but push them towards the solution they need.
                      23. +3
                        18 June 2021 04: 17
                        There is a choice. Try it on yourself. Either you get sick and adapt, or you die out and be a blind branch of evolution. I want one thing - it would be faster. And then I'm tired of all these restrictions.
                      24. +1
                        18 June 2021 09: 37
                        I am sure that once you are in a hospital bed, you will whine and really want to live, but .... it will be too late.
                      25. +8
                        18 June 2021 08: 28
                        Quote: vadim dok
                        ...... it is necessary to recall the fight against smallpox with the help of VACCINATION! ......... vaccinated EVERYONE from infancy !! ....... RESULT: Complete disappearance of BLACK POISK!


                        Natural smallpox - lethality 20-40 %, in some epidemics up to 90 %

                        COVID-19 - In most cases (about 80%), no specific treatment is required, but recovery happens by itself The mortality rate from infection (IFR) is estimated at about 0,68 % [26], according to the WHO seroprevalence analysis - in 0,27 %

                        You are either foolishly or maliciously suggesting a completely unjustified use of a usable tool.

                        There were other similar cases.

                        The same Ilya Mechnikov first spoke about the uselessness of the appendix. According to the scientist, this organ is capable of causing serious diseases. In those days, appendicitis in 8-10% of cases ended with the death of the patient. Therefore, scientists considered it a great idea to remove it.

                        In the 30s in Germany, immediately after birth, the appendix was excised from children. This practice was stopped only after problems were identified in the grown children. They did not assimilate breast milk, did not gain weight well, were often ill and were lagging behind in development.

                        In the United States, in the 30s of the last century, tonsils were removed for all newborn children. Almost half of the children of that time lost their tonsils. In the USSR, tonsils were removed only with angina.
                        As a result, those children who had their tonsils removed in infancy suffered more from diseases of the lungs and bronchi, more colds and more infections of the pharynx.

                        https://aftershock.news/?q=node/917947&full
                      26. +2
                        18 June 2021 11: 03
                        The complete disappearance of BLACK POISON!

                        And from smallpox once a year injected?
                    2. +7
                      17 June 2021 17: 01
                      Quote: bk316
                      I pricked the satellite at the end of January,

                      Quote: bk316
                      And in my department, as a result, not a single infected person for all the time. Everyone returned to the office in the fall.

                      You obviously start January before autumn laughing
                      Decide on the testimony, otherwise they will believe you
                      Quote: bk316
                      obscurantists anti-vaccine
                      and then!
                      Why do you need an enemy Modern after your own Sputnik?
                      Quote: bk316
                      I pricked the satellite at the end of January, now I would prick modern, but then it was impossible to get it.

                      We must be a patriot to the end! After all, somehow inconvenient - you don't trust "Sputnik"
                  2. -1
                    19 June 2021 12: 34
                    You darling need to inject galaperidol .... You have an ordinary mania))))
                  3. 0
                    20 June 2021 03: 01
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    maybe it's better not to play machines at vaccination points, but places in the cemetery?

                    Places in the graveyard are played out between the opponents of vaccinations. And the number of wins at the moment is about four hundred every day. Yes
                2. -6
                  17 June 2021 11: 43
                  Quote: astepanov
                  What do you think?

                  I fully support you .. We laugh at the stoned svidograzhdanami. and they themselves are the same stupidly stoned. This is proof that we are one people. And it's time for the government to stop almond and nose-picking. they said to be grafted and that's it. Run everyone!
                  1. +13
                    17 June 2021 17: 04
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Run everyone!

                    So go ahead! There are few rabbits these days. But only Sputnik and 6 times. Let's see by September, how many of you will remain
                    1. -5
                      17 June 2021 17: 57
                      Quote: Overlock
                      Quote: 30 vis
                      Run everyone!

                      So go ahead! There are few rabbits these days. But only Sputnik and 6 times. Let's see by September, how many of you will remain

                      We will stay vaccinated .. It’s a pity for you blockheads .... Tea is not a boy already, and the weight is extra, the heart is failing, somewhere there is diabetes ... I have friends (not so that the elderly) have one third of them alive , the rest died died for various reasons. Therefore, losses are not encouraging, even if they are strangers. Health to you, not a rabbit, Overlock! Let the disease pass you and your family by.
                      1. +4
                        17 June 2021 18: 12
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        We will stay vaccinated ..

                        don't mind
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        Sorry for you blockheads ...

                        Putin regrets us, you do not shine, but thank you
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        One third of my friends (not so that the elderly) remained alive, the rest died for various reasons.

                        In St. Petersburg, the mortality rate has increased 60 times today. Why?
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        Let the disease pass you and your family by.

                        Have a nice one you too
                      2. 0
                        17 June 2021 19: 03
                        Quote: Overlock
                        Have a nice one you too

                        Here you go . We can somehow find a common language. All the best .
                      3. +1
                        18 June 2021 08: 45
                        Leonid Roshal urged to make vaccination against COVID-19 mandatory
                        “We need to move from words to deeds, and I support those who, either sectorally or entirely, suggest making vaccination mandatory,” he stressed.
                        https://www.pravda.ru/news/health/1622799-vakcinacija_ot_koronavirusa/ --- Question to the blockheads -Doctor Roshal tyrant. or what?
                    2. 0
                      18 June 2021 09: 40
                      More than you idiots.
                  2. +2
                    17 June 2021 21: 02
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Run everyone!

                    Fell - wrung out!
                    Eat the earth!
                    Running step march!
                    Look, we are spoiled here!
                    They are all literate - give them an X-ray!
                3. +5
                  17 June 2021 11: 59
                  Quote: astepanov
                  But there is another problem. The likelihood of dangerous mutations is proportional to the number of carriers of the virus. And sooner or later, such a mutation will definitely happen. Should this incubator be kept, or should it be slammed at once by mandatory vaccination?

                  Quote: astepanov
                  What do you think?

                  I think this is some kind of invented nonsense. The virus mutates, if it can, to overcome defense mechanisms. Maybe with this particular virus, if you vaccinate 100% of the world's population, it will end, or maybe vaccinate with the influenza virus, do not vaccinate, no pain, but please pay "tribute" to natural selection.
                4. +20
                  17 June 2021 12: 06
                  "Punish everyone, judge everyone. Vaccination segregation. Vaccination Apartheid." Do you, my friend, have such small antennae growing under your nose by chance? Don't comb your bangs on the side?
                  1. -2
                    17 June 2021 17: 16
                    Quote: V1er
                    Vaccination segregation. Vaccination Apartheid. "

                    I propose to deprive such voting rights! laughing
                    Only this way
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Run everyone!

                    all rights and benefits! laughing
                5. +16
                  17 June 2021 12: 36
                  Why not
                  5. Send the unvaccinated to concentration camps.?
                  Terror is so terror, why stop at half measures?

                  I have a question. In the USSR, many dangerous infections were eradicated by vaccinations. And that's right, that's good. But the flu was not eradicated by vaccines, then or now. And is the flu not a dangerous disease? So, covid is such a modern flu. Influenza does not scare anyone, and this is like an unknown infection, it can frighten especially impressionable people to the point of losing touch with reality. In fact, the covid never reached the epidemiological threshold, if you count according to the old honest methods. In the course of the play, "waves" were invented, statistics are kept on an accrual basis. The media in every possible way feed this kovidobess. Run, inject, only it won't help. And no one is going to remove the restrictions. Only you will run every six months for injection. And the media will come up with versions every time why this does not help.
                  1. -1
                    17 June 2021 14: 33
                    In the USSR, many dangerous infections have been eradicated by vaccinations

                    You are wrong to eradicate ONLY smallpox.
                    1. +6
                      17 June 2021 19: 27
                      Quote: bk316
                      You are wrong to eradicate ONLY smallpox.

                      You are wrong. Measles, rubella, poliomyelitis ... Continue?
                      1. +5
                        17 June 2021 19: 53
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        You are wrong. Measles, rubella, polymyelitis ...

                        He is not wrong
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        Continue?

                        Not worth it, merged
                      2. +2
                        17 June 2021 21: 14
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        Measles, rubella, poliomyelitis ... Continue?

                        There is no need to continue, because why contradict reality? This is at least silly, since measles, rubella and polio exist and have not been eradicated despite vaccination.
                      3. 0
                        18 June 2021 15: 34
                        Don't go on. They are still sick now.
                    2. +1
                      18 June 2021 09: 42
                      You are lying, you have long suffered from the plague, cholera, typhoid fever, no, but why?
                      1. 0
                        18 June 2021 12: 09
                        You are lying, you have long suffered from the plague, cholera, typhoid fever, no, but why?

                        And really, why?
                        I know the answer, do you?
                  2. +4
                    17 June 2021 15: 23
                    A person who has not encountered this disease can write this way, comparison with the flu is inappropriate, flu is a mild runny nose compared to covid, it has been tested on myself, you have to choose the lesser of two evils, you need to be vaccinated
                    1. +3
                      17 June 2021 16: 01
                      Flu is always very hard. But in October, the whole family moved the covid with a bang. Everything within two days. Only my wife's sense of smell and touch was impaired for a couple of weeks, and a friend, after being vaccinated for a couple of weeks, was bent over. For more than a month, I have not completely returned to normal ... and until now he says, why just decided to get vaccinated ...
                      1. -2
                        17 June 2021 20: 01
                        Quote: Minus
                        Flu is always very hard. But in October, the whole family moved the covid with a bang. Everything within two days. Only my wife's sense of smell and touch was impaired for a couple of weeks, and a friend, after being vaccinated for a couple of weeks, was bent over. For more than a month, I have not completely returned to normal ... and until now he says, why just decided to get vaccinated ...

                        In October, they said? Wait for another! And about the "practitioner" of the vaccine ... Lying is not good. Spoil your karma. Re-infection is much more difficult.
                      2. +1
                        17 June 2021 21: 19
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        Re-infection is much more difficult.

                        And this "man" writes
                        Lying is bad. Spoil your karma.

                        Think about yourself.
                        О its karma.
                      3. -2
                        17 June 2021 22: 09
                        Quote: Normal

                        Think about yourself.
                        About your karma

                        Fully familiar with re-infection. Everyone is harder than the first time. And 6 months after the illness. So something like that. I save my karma ... do you have other data? Chief physician of the covid hospital, famous
                        Denis Protsenko said that 3% of his cases are vaccinated. But only ONE vaccination, the first. Immunity did not have time to form. With two - there is none ... Is he lying too?
                      4. +7
                        17 June 2021 23: 39
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        Denis Protsenko, said, .....

                        Your mother-a-n .....
                        Denis Protsenko ....
                        Of course he's not lying. This is "the goat is lying", and Denis Protsenko is the ideal of truthfulness and immaculate purity. He's not an interested person. Independent authority.

                        Fully familiar with re-infection. everyone is harder than the first time.

                        Yes, the world is full of wonders. The disease does not form a defense against re-infection, but the vaccine does.
                        How can you not believe it?
                        I believe!
                    2. +12
                      17 June 2021 16: 22
                      I came across, I lost my sense of smell, there is a certificate of a positive test. I didn't remember the scary covidla anymore. But a former employee died last summer from covid in a hospital. This I mean that I fully represent the danger and do not deny. But you are wrong about the flu. Many die from the flu, and the strains are quite dangerous. One Spanish woman was worth what. And after that there were serious outbreaks. Epidemiological thresholds were honestly exceeded, without today's scam with statistics. But I don’t remember something like this.
                      1. +4
                        17 June 2021 23: 42
                        Quote: okrd
                        One Spanish woman was worth what.

                        One Spanish woman was worth something.
                        And so a lot of people die every year from complications of the flu, but they are silent about this. For the limit of medicine in the fight against it has long been reached, everyone resigned themselves. And now all the dead from the flu have gone like covid, do not go to the fortune-teller.
                      2. +3
                        18 June 2021 14: 40
                        So, there is almost no flu at all in statistics around the world! Rather, there is, but very little. The flu disappeared somewhere))))
                      3. 0
                        18 June 2021 14: 49
                        The danger is naturally there. Let's put it bluntly, a high danger. One close person who worked last year in a covid intensive care unit voiced 55 percent of mortality in intensive care ... The opinion was voiced unequivocally - of course you need to be vaccinated, BUT !!!! What kind of vaccine should be vaccinated is a very big and controversial question!
                    3. -2
                      17 June 2021 17: 19
                      Quote: CommanderDIVA
                      flu is a mild runny nose compared to covid

                      Now. And once the Spanish flu pandemic swept in three waves:
                      The "light" wave of the spring of 1918. After that, the virus mutated and was able to be transmitted with greater ease;
                      The "heavy" wave of the autumn of 1918;
                      The "light" wave of the spring of 1919.
                      The mortality rate of the "Spanish flu" 2-5% fits into the 3% mortality of the coronavirus.
                  3. +3
                    17 June 2021 18: 54
                    Quote: okrd
                    The flu does not scare anyone, and it is like an unknown infection, it can frighten especially impressionable people to the point of losing touch with reality.

                    Influenza is dangerous not in itself, but in complications. The heart, for example, after the flu can begin to create problems. And covid, in addition to the fact that it can pass unpredictably (ranging from "almost no symptoms" to resuscitation), so after all, it can have consequences on the brain In general, we choose from two evils: a vaccination, in which there is doubt, or an infection, after which you can stay in bed, drooling and walking under yourself (or you can easily transfer it).
                  4. +1
                    18 June 2021 02: 39
                    Case solved! From a reliable source, it became clear that covid is a modern flu!
                    1. +1
                      19 June 2021 10: 58
                      Quote: sleeve
                      Case solved! From a reliable source, it became clear that covid is a modern flu!

                      This is a modern ARVI. Experts said this at once.
                      1. 0
                        19 June 2021 13: 19
                        These are the answers that ruin the population of mankind. "Modern ARVI" without any explanatory continuation sounds like "yes bullshit, ARVI, just a runny nose." "Spanish flu" is exactly the same "modern" flu for the 20s. Only the difference in the levels of medicine keeps us from similar results. But it turns out that this is pernicious. It turns out that there is simply a "mind-blowing" part of the population - "intellectuals", arguing about the admissibility of mortality from COVID for the "population". And that means the admissibility of the exchange of your personal, your own comfort and your own personal freedom for these increased percentages. Especially this "shines" with us. And it doesn’t matter that a DNA test is attached to the COVID infection certificate, since the state pays money for this and has left itself the opportunity to imprison everyone who decides to get this money for “the bottom of that”. “We know for sure, all“ flu ”deaths are inscribed in“ covid ”deaths! insurance that covers both your costs and the employer's costs. Quite honestly. I’m lying, of course not fair. First of all, because everyone will be shown his real social role and level. You can afford to "put" on a social need, please. No, know yours. This is me, by the way, about “ordinary ARVI.” It is “more expensive” for the world economy.
                      2. 0
                        19 June 2021 16: 05
                        Quote: sleeve
                        These are the answers that ruin the population of humanity.

                        You flatter me. Influencing the human population is not included in my plans)))

                        Quote: sleeve
                        "Modern ARVI" without any explanatory continuation sounds like "yes garbage, ARVI, just a runny nose"

                        Actually it is. With one clarification - ARVI, like influenza, are quite dangerous in their complications. And the covid is no different, except that it is new. Remind me of how bird and swine flu ended?

                        Quote: sleeve
                        It turns out that there is simply a "mind-blowing" part of the population - "intellectuals", arguing about the admissibility of mortality from COVID for the "population".

                        And on the other hand, hysterics talking about immediate forced vaccination, wearing masks and other garbage. If they are so afraid of any sore, then why live at all? HIV / AIDS is much more dangerous, so if you tell the horrors about it in the news for six months, you will introduce daily compulsory drug tests and even conduct your sex life under the control of the state? To remove chastity belts only by quark codes? laughing

                        Quote: sleeve
                        And perhaps we should already take the disgusting capitalist practice, even from SARS. Sick leave is an employer's loss. And get a job in exchange for a flu shot, or carry expensive insurance that covers both your costs and the employer's costs.

                        You are funny. The state expelled me to paid clinics with the disgusting quality of medicine even when I had the right to sick leave. Now I, like a huge number of people in the country, work without such social guarantees as paid sick leave or vacation. This is one of the reasons that pisses me off when they ask me to wear muzzles, do not allow me to go to the cinema or sit in a cafe. I am not afraid of any coronavirus or even the plague. Because I have been accustomed to the minimum necessary hygiene since childhood, I don't kiss or even hug on the gums with strangers. I am engaged in physical education and from the high bell tower I do my big things on the fears of the hysterical part of our society.
                      3. 0
                        20 June 2021 04: 54
                        Well, fine. Do not be afraid and do not be afraid. The main thing is to provide someone else's safety, and for your own you can "drown" as you like. I am exclusively for individualism. There is no desire and craving to inject, do not inject since this is an element of independence. You just guarantee on your part that there is no danger of infecting others and that's it. It's great that you have the chance and opportunity to use paid medicine as the main one. This means you will be able to ensure effective localization of danger. And, by the way, the state forces you to put on a muzzle only in places of social concentration and for the most part on its territory. So just don’t visit, you don’t really need it, you don’t need the state. And yet a pointless discussion. It seems to me that you are right in many ways, or even in everything. Just for yourself. And that's okay.
                      4. +1
                        20 June 2021 09: 58
                        Quote: sleeve
                        I am exclusively for individualism.

                        But not me. I am for common sense. An analysis of the situation with the coronavirus to me, a person with an almost Soviet higher education in natural sciences, says that this is systematically inflated hysteria.

                        Quote: sleeve
                        It's great that you have the chance and opportunity to use paid medicine as the main one.

                        I would gladly use free medicine, because the paid one is very expensive. But, alas, free medicine loses in speed and, accordingly, in the timeliness of the procedures. And therefore, the patient always turns out to be healthy until the day he dies. laughing

                        Quote: sleeve
                        And, by the way, the state forces you to put on a muzzle only in places of social concentration and for the most part on its territory. So just don’t visit, you don’t really need it, you don’t need the state.

                        the state has learned to work quite well remotely. social concentration is now mainly in shops and public transport. But the simple fact of the increase in the incidence in the summer suggests that the virus is with us forever. Numerous cases of repeated illness of those who have already been ill indicate that vaccination will not help us much, much like vaccination against influenza. Therefore, masks are pointless, the vaccine makes sense, but it will not solve the problem. The only thing that gives meaning to the masks is to recoup the money spent on the purchase of mask production by the Moscow government. Over time, they will stop talking about the coronavirus and it will take its place among the ARVI. Return flu, hypertension, cancer and planned treatment.
                        Quote: sleeve
                        It seems to me that you are right in many ways, or even in everything. Just for yourself. And that's okay.

                        Objectively, my assessment explains most of the facts and their interconnection. and not for myself, but since it exists in reality. And that's okay.

                        Quote: sleeve
                        However, a pointless discussion

                        Yes.
                        But you have to lead it so that those who still retain common sense would see that they are not alone stop
                      5. 0
                        20 June 2021 11: 26
                        Where is your entrance here? I also want to become an adherent of the Church of the One Correct Opinion. As for me, what is happening quite reflects the presence of a real threat and the dependence of human carelessness in relation to security equipment and the size of the epidemic dupa. And here and around. And the example of Sweden and other "natural mines of immunity" to the same place. As for the cost recovery, it's you to the point. Of course, those who have invested in their "sanity" will try. The fact that our country was not "invited" to this "conspiracy" is reflected in the chronological feverishness of the struggle. The form is just completely worked out both in the world and in our country. However, any set of measures can be recognized as meaningless and even harmful. He's not one hundred percent. And the fact that they took advantage of the pandemic is an axiom. And so broadly, both economically and politically and in other aspects, that we certainly won't even get a clue about it. But since you have such a suitable, all the more so, Soviet education, then you recognized the methods from brochures on civil defense (in terms of anti-epidemic struggle) without problems (naturally, lights, other forms in the PRC, and in Europe "thicker." we are on to the next confrontation: whether to inject a vaccine, relying on the proven lethality of the virus, the severity of its treatment (and in the context of the economic for the state, the same, the example of individual treatment and its cost - "anti-insurers" in the maddened and not), relying on the ineffectiveness of the measures taken and relying on everything that is now turning around in the info space, or not injecting drugs and motivating it with the fact that "this is hysteria."
                      6. +1
                        20 June 2021 15: 17
                        Quote: sleeve
                        Where is your entrance here?

                        VI Lenin Materialism and empirio-criticism.

                        As for the rest, somewhere I agree, somewhere not.
                        Our measures, of course, were not devoid of sense at the initial stage, when they were still figuring out what they had to face. But the car is ossified, it became perfectly visible that there are no specialists in the relevant services, only officials shaking for their places. Only retirees, Onishchenko, for example, took a reasonable position. Rospotrebnadzor now causes only contempt in me, not convincing and cowardly. Looking at what measures are being taken and comparing it with what happened in China, I have developed one persistent association - repeating flies, only very pale.

                        Should I be injected with the vaccine? You will have to if you want to get a well-paid job. In my case, that's the only way. I don’t know how for the state, but for a person the meaning of vaccination is the same as for a flu shot. Probabilistic, no more. The virus mutates and will continue to do so.
                        I am not discouraging anyone, but it should be a personal choice for everyone.
                      7. 0
                        20 June 2021 15: 59
                        I agree about the choice. However, as with the assessment of the first days of the pandemic. There, of course, you can always find justifying arguments why this is so, and refer to minimizing the responsibility of "retirees". But in general it is.
                6. -1
                  17 June 2021 15: 14
                  Typical fascist.
                  1. 0
                    17 June 2021 17: 20
                    Quote: peter1v
                    Typical fascist.

                    there are many such Bandera
                7. +4
                  17 June 2021 18: 10
                  Quote: astepanov
                  Someone will say: "This is a personal matter for everyone - to be vaccinated or to die, but you grafted on - and be silent in a rag, what do you want?" Someone else will speculate about mass chipping by means of vaccinations or that the "crown" was specially brought from behind a hillock, or that there are no viruses at all and he personally examines his palms through glasses every day and has not yet seen any viruses ...
                  Well, let's say, speculation about chipping can not be discussed - in our country, almost the entire population has long been chipped by means of the Unified State Exam and looking into a zombie box. Bloggers and newfangled tick-tokers have also done their part in smoothing the convolutions. But I strongly doubt that vaccination is a deeply personal matter.
                  A month of non-working days, to which (at least in Moscow) was added another week, is eight percent of the annual national income. Add to this the costs of covid centers, which will have to be mothballed when (and if) the epidemic ends. This is the cost of treating hundreds of thousands of patients in hospitals. By the way, the treatment of one "kovidnik" costs 200 thousand rubles. With 5 million cases, if only one in five is hospitalized, this amounts to two hundred billion rubles. And this is the money that could be spent on social and innovative projects.
                  And how many losses will be associated with the transition to "remote" in universities and schools, given our feeble education, how many people will die from the fact that planned operations are postponed, how many people have lost their jobs - this has yet to be counted.
                  In Israel, vaccination has become mandatory - and there the epidemic is over. In our country, the rubber will last until the first vaccinated people lose their immunity, and then everything will start again. Who needs it besides pharmaceutical companies?
                  But there is another problem. The likelihood of dangerous mutations is proportional to the number of carriers of the virus. And sooner or later, such a mutation will definitely happen. Should this incubator be kept, or should it be slammed at once by mandatory vaccination?
                  For decades, there were no outbreaks of dangerous infections in the USSR - because everyone was vaccinated from birth on a mandatory planned basis. So measles, poliomyelitis, smallpox were defeated. In Ukraine, "democracy" and the refusal of mandatory vaccinations have already led to outbreaks of measles - so far God has mercy on us. But vaccinated dissidence is becoming more and more impudent, so that this cup will not pass us by either.
                  What, in fact, are the authorities trying to achieve with such a toothless policy? Afraid of mass protests? But they seem to have learned how to deal with them, and special protests about vaccinations are hardly to be expected - this, after all, is not outrage at the massive theft of officials.
                  Or are you planning to stretch everything out for many years, under this guise of fighting any street protests? Or is it all about stupidity?
                  I don't know what the authorities want, but I know what I would do.

                  1. Introduce covid-passports, exempting the vaccinated from wearing a hateful muzzle.
                  2. Introduce paid (in full!) Treatment for covid for hard-core refuseniks who have no contraindications for vaccination.
                  3. Those who did not get vaccinated on time, despite the invitation, should be fined mercilessly or even judged by releasing an appropriate law under this case.
                  4. All benefits associated with the epidemic would be canceled - for everyone, regardless of immune status.

                  What do you think?

                  You should work in the Kremlin.
                  1. +5
                    17 June 2021 19: 31
                    Or maybe it is already working ...
                    1. +8
                      17 June 2021 21: 26
                      Quote: ximkim
                      You should work in the Kremlin.

                      Quote: Gvardeetz77
                      Or maybe it is already working ...


                      Or longs for it.
                      In the meantime, he is active in the hope of being noticed and appreciated.
                8. +10
                  17 June 2021 21: 39
                  Quote: astepanov
                  Those who did not get vaccinated on time, despite the invitation, should be fined mercilessly or even judged by issuing an appropriate law under this case.

                  You, like the author of the article, also bypass the question of complications.
                  Add to your points more and State responsibility clause in case of complications. Let the state take on full state support or pay very large compensation to people who have complications from state-approved vaccinations. Or their relatives, if the result was fatal.

                  Otherwise, you get again a "one-sided game" - people owe the state, and the state does not owe anything to the people. Although it does exist for their taxes.
                9. +7
                  17 June 2021 22: 12
                  Quote: astepanov
                  Someone will say: "This is a personal matter for everyone - to be vaccinated or to die, but you grafted on - and be silent in a rag, what do you want?" Someone else will speculate about mass chipping by means of vaccinations or that the "crown" was specially brought from behind a hillock, or that there are no viruses at all and he personally examines his palms through glasses every day and has not yet seen any viruses ...
                  Well, let's say, speculation about chipping can not be discussed - in our country, almost the entire population has long been chipped by means of the Unified State Exam and looking into a zombie box. Bloggers and newfangled tick-tokers have also done their part in smoothing the convolutions. But I strongly doubt that vaccination is a deeply personal matter.
                  A month of non-working days, to which (at least in Moscow) was added another week, is eight percent of the annual national income. Add to this the costs of covid centers, which will have to be mothballed when (and if) the epidemic ends. This is the cost of treating hundreds of thousands of patients in hospitals. By the way, the treatment of one "kovidnik" costs 200 thousand rubles. With 5 million cases, if only one in five is hospitalized, this amounts to two hundred billion rubles. And this is the money that could be spent on social and innovative projects.
                  And how many losses will be associated with the transition to "remote" in universities and schools, given our feeble education, how many people will die from the fact that planned operations are postponed, how many people have lost their jobs - this has yet to be counted.
                  In Israel, vaccination has become mandatory - and there the epidemic is over. In our country, the rubber will last until the first vaccinated people lose their immunity, and then everything will start again. Who needs it besides pharmaceutical companies?
                  But there is another problem. The likelihood of dangerous mutations is proportional to the number of carriers of the virus. And sooner or later, such a mutation will definitely happen. Should this incubator be kept, or should it be slammed at once by mandatory vaccination?
                  For decades, there were no outbreaks of dangerous infections in the USSR - because everyone was vaccinated from birth on a mandatory planned basis. So measles, poliomyelitis, smallpox were defeated. In Ukraine, "democracy" and the refusal of mandatory vaccinations have already led to outbreaks of measles - so far God has mercy on us. But vaccinated dissidence is becoming more and more impudent, so that this cup will not pass us by either.
                  What, in fact, are the authorities trying to achieve with such a toothless policy? Afraid of mass protests? But they seem to have learned how to deal with them, and special protests about vaccinations are hardly to be expected - this, after all, is not outrage at the massive theft of officials.
                  Or are you planning to stretch everything out for many years, under this guise of fighting any street protests? Or is it all about stupidity?
                  I don't know what the authorities want, but I know what I would do.

                  1. Introduce covid-passports, exempting the vaccinated from wearing a hateful muzzle.
                  2. Introduce paid (in full!) Treatment for covid for hard-core refuseniks who have no contraindications for vaccination.
                  3. Those who did not get vaccinated on time, despite the invitation, should be fined mercilessly or even judged by releasing an appropriate law under this case.
                  4. All benefits associated with the epidemic would be canceled - for everyone, regardless of immune status.

                  What do you think?

                  There are not enough patches, ghettos and special camps.
                  I also advise you to contact a doctor, but not a therapist (although you can also see him, he will redirect you where necessary).
                  And remember to take haloperidol as directed.
                  If anything, say hello to Napoleon from the 6th chamber!
                  :)))
                10. +4
                  17 June 2021 22: 36
                  Would have introduced covid passports, exempting the vaccinated from wearing a hateful muzzle

                  Even according to the official (not confirmed by verified statistics) statement, the effectiveness of the SPUTNIK-V vaccine is about 91% (as stated at first), and how many were vaccinated by the "vaccine" that lost its properties due to its improper storage and transportation?
                  I would introduce paid (in full!) Treatment for covid for hard-core refuseniks who have no contraindications for vaccination
                  Then abolish the Constitution of the Russian Federation. "The Russian Federation is a social state, the policy of which is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a dignified life and free human development" (part 1 of article 7).
                  Those who did not get vaccinated on time, despite the invitation, should be fined mercilessly or even tried by issuing an appropriate law under this case.

                  EXTRACT from the Nuremberg Trials: "... The program of action against ... included deprivation of voting rights, stigmatization, deprivation of civil rights and property rights, and these people were subjected to violence, exile, slavery, forced labor, hunger, murder and mass extermination ..." p. 27 ;

                  “This Nazi campaign of ruthless treatment of the enemy reached its climax in the war with Russia. As a rule, all prisoners of war were transferred from the control of the army to the power of Himmler and the SS (document # 059-PS). In the East, the frenzy of the Germans broke out completely. An order was issued to stigmatize Russian prisoners of war. They were killed by starvation ... ”p. 109.
                  All benefits associated with the epidemic would be canceled - for everyone, regardless of immune status
                  ... Read Art. 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
                11. +3
                  18 June 2021 18: 27
                  Quote: astepanov
                  1. Introduce covid-passports, exempting the vaccinated from wearing a hateful muzzle.
                  2. Introduce paid (in full!) Treatment for covid for hard-core refuseniks who have no contraindications for vaccination.
                  3. Those who did not get vaccinated on time, despite the invitation, should be fined mercilessly or even judged by releasing an appropriate law under this case.
                  4. All benefits associated with the epidemic would be canceled - for everyone, regardless of immune status.

                  What do you think?

                  So a little bit for thought. It just so happened that I have friends and medical acquaintances. A good friend of mine last year worked with covid patients, they (the medical staff) were checked every week for the presence of an illness and his sore did not touch from the word with all that almost all the staff had been ill by the end of last summer, and some of them twice, but he did not. Especially for you I will repeat again end of last summer - and some twice... Hence the question, a person has been ill, which means he has natural immunity, it is logical, but he gets sick a second time. Since I am a complete layman in medicine, I conclude for myself that the sore either mutates or there is no persistent immunity to it, and now we live with this infection always like with the flu, those seasonal peaks and recessions in incidence, until we come up with a cure. But since the virus is really "undead", the only cure for it is its own immunity. What is given with
                  viral infections are symptoms (relieving symptoms) and supportive (vitamins, antipyretic at high temperatures, and so on). Yes, there are also vaccinations (vaccines) which, through the introduction, produce an immune response.
                  But in the case of a rapid mutation, each mutating virus needs its own vaccine, as well as for the influenza virus, something like this. At the moment, we have several varieties of influenza viruses from A to D (doctors will correct it) and if you are vaccinated from A, then you will not get sick, provided that you guessed with the seasonal outbreak, but if the seasonal outbreak is B, then alas, welcome snot :), did not guess. It's the same with covid, it's good if it stops at a few mutations, and if not.
                  "ps" And now really "akhtung", my friend who works in the hospital, went nuts from the current interns 3,14ts full says what they studied in khbz but clearly not medicine, and even today his words were confirmed by my second friend, his daughter is engaged in scientific work on medicine and she also had to talk with the 5th year students, the hair on end was 3,14ts! So guys are learning weed! The exam is our everything!
                  And nuda, vaccinations, I think it's a purely individual matter. If a person wants, let him not want to be vaccinated, this is his business. All of my acquaintances who have been ill were vaccinated, although almost all doctors understand that this is not a 100 percent guarantee. And there is one more he was not sick, but for him it became a weighty argument or an example of the state of Israel. With the words, these navyarnyak know something, went to be vaccinated! :))) Well, I, but fig knows him, while in thought :)
                12. 0
                  20 June 2021 08: 22
                  Quote: astepanov

                  What do you think?

                  The problem is not vaccination as such, but the lack of trust in the actions of the authorities. Any active agitation by the authorities for the next bright future is seen as a catch.
              4. +12
                17 June 2021 12: 03
                And somehow I'm afraid of the unknown

                I am your opponent on almost all counts, but I still respect your position in many respects.
                Believe me, everyone has a fear of the unknown.
                This is a natural feeling.
                But if it had not been overcome, people would not have climbed down from the tree and entered the caves.
                As a result, they became extinct during glaciation.
                And you are right. The most natural way to overcome such fear is trust.
                You do not trust the authorities, but people like you yourself have made this issue a political one.
                And he was originally medical.
                My advice to you, which may save your life.
                Don't listen to officials, find a good virologist or epidemiologist and consult. Hammer on fear and do as he said. Tells not to be vaccinated, do not vaccinate.
                1. +10
                  17 June 2021 12: 23
                  You know, I now visit a cardiologist every month. Periodically, she directs to donate blood. So far, we are satisfied with the presence of antibodies.
                  And I'm not even afraid of vaccination as such, but of those who three years ago, with one blow of an excavator bucket, transferred me from the category of the middle class to the category of beggars. Who knows what kind of business they are stirring up on covid hysteria.
                  1. +7
                    17 June 2021 13: 05
                    So far, we are satisfied with the presence of antibodies.

                    If you trust a doctor, and it’s stupid to go to a doctor you don’t trust, forget about the vaccine.
                    I will repeat myself in all this crap (well, except for our obligatory mess), it makes me angry that people who do not understand anything interfere with the specialists. So do as the doctor says and hope for the best. By the way, a young acquaintance of mine has a life-threatening arrhythmia (I forgot the name) as a complication from covid. Now the pacemaker sets, and before that I went to the mountains.

                    If we go into details (well, just I'm simplifying) the satellite platform was developed as a means of using when there are no antibodies at all. Therefore, I would not re-vaccinate it or use it when there are natural antibodies. A vaccine from the Chumakov Institute is more appropriate here.
                2. +6
                  17 June 2021 20: 07
                  A real story about myself. I decided to experiment on myself and got vaccinated. Just for fun. In April. Tired of reading those who are for or against, I decided to feel it myself) After the first vaccination the next day - a temperature of 38,5, a terrible ache in the whole body, a painful sensation at the injection site - a state of zero, the wife was laughing, "Well, an experimenter?" I was lying on the bed. The medications I take: 1 tab. paracetamol 1 tab. suprastin in the morning. 1 tab. paracetamol 1 tab. suprastin in the evening. On the next day, the state of health is normal. Then the temperature rose to 3 days for 10-37,5 days, the vaccination site hurts. On the 12-14th day, the sense of smell completely disappeared. Further norms. After the second vaccination, the next day, I dug up a garden and marked this case with 5 bottles of beer)) And that's it. In the future, and up to the present, I have not noticed any changes in the body. Horns do not grow, the growth of love for the President and EP did not notice.
                  1. +7
                    17 June 2021 20: 19
                    A real story about myself.

                    Well, you are an experimenter. The saddest thing is that the experiment showed nothing. You probably haven't been taught how to experiment.
                    It should have been like this.
                    1. Assay for antibodies M + G quantitative.
                    2. PCR.
                    3.the next day vaccination
                    4.if the PCR temperature is kept on the third day
                    5.After 6 weeks test for antibodies to c protein.

                    Explain why this is so?
                    And by the way, I strongly recommend the first and fifth points to everyone who really cares about their health.
                    1. 0
                      18 June 2021 18: 41
                      Agree) There were mistakes in the experiment. I did it for myself. And I think 70 percent of those vaccinated also did not think about the purity of the experiment. Again about myself. Item 1: M + G test (done for free at work) before vaccination - negative on both items. Item 2. Do paid PCR ?? If you have money, please. Point 5. I'm waiting for the result.
                      PS THINK. When doubters decide to get vaccinated, those who are vaccinated now will expire the effective term of the vaccination. When do you think the COVID saga will end in that case? (Rhetorical question)
                      1. 0
                        18 June 2021 18: 52
                        Point 2 could be omitted. This is true for control.
                        Now about the result of point 5.
                        I hope you passed not the standard test for M + G, but the so-called post-vaccination test. (completely something like "Quantification of antibodies to the RBD domain of the S1 protein")

                        Based on the result of the first test, you will not understand what was in you.
                        Comparing the results of these two tests, one can understand.
                        Possible options:
                        - You became infected with covid when visiting the clinic during vaccination or immediately after (I personally think that this was so); there are a lot of such unlucky people.
                        - you have an autoimmune disease and you do not need to be vaccinated at all; it will be necessary to hide to the doctor;
                        - you have a very rare, but described reaction to the satellite; it's okay, you can calm down;

                        By the way, when I was vaccinated, I did all 5 points, it was interesting. I went through the classic scheme - everything is as Ginsburg said. It's time to do tests for half a year already. Today I talked with an immunologist about the new virus and revaccination.
                        It is believed that revaccination should be done when antibodies have fallen below three references. Now, because of the new strain, it is recommended to vaccinate earlier - below 4-5 references. And yet, you do not need to revaccinate with a satellite. Gisburg spoke light, but people with degrees also consider it better than Chumakov's ...
                      2. +1
                        18 June 2021 19: 09
                        Hello. I am waiting for the results of the indicator of the amount of antibodies. The reactions I described (perhaps only except for the loss of smell) were also noted in 80% of my employees - who were vaccinated. I like the word analysis. I note who was sick, who was vaccinated. Bad habits, lifestyle. The scary thing is that smokers tolerated COVID much more easily than non-smokers. Women with children tolerate the disease more easily than non-smokers. The response in women to the vaccine is weaker. I have nothing to do with medicine. Only facts and statistics.
                  2. +1
                    18 June 2021 22: 24
                    Quote: PROVINCIAL
                    A real story about myself. I decided to experiment on myself and got vaccinated. Just for fun.

                    Yes, life without an experiment is boring and dull ... The funniest thing that came to mind from my "experiments" is the case when I found a depilatory cream in a friend's bathroom, for the sake of interest, anointed the wool on the leg, admired the smooth spot and thought : "And that I, like an eccentric, shave every day? Now we will correct this moment!" No sooner said than done. Well, who knew that this cream for the face muzzle does not fit at all ... In general, in the end, I had to "experiment" with the foundation, because the whole muzzle except the forehead was in a small ragged dot, as if cats were poking with their claws wassat
                    1. +1
                      19 June 2021 23: 59
                      Hello. Your story evokes laughter and tenderness. We all once tried and experimented (newsprint soaked in saltpeter and rolled into a tight knot - it smoked no worse than smoke bombs)). Thanks for the support)
              5. -8
                17 June 2021 15: 37
                I support you. I agree to be vaccinated. But not our "companion". Based on homebrew research and reviews, would prefer Johnson & Johnson. Someone would say unpatriotic? But patriotism from covid, for some reason, does not help much.
                1. +9
                  17 June 2021 15: 49
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  I support you. I agree to be vaccinated. But not our "companion". Based on homebrew research and reviews, would prefer Johnson & Johnson. Someone would say unpatriotic? But patriotism from covid, for some reason, does not help much.

                  There are two characters on the echo of the matzo. Felgenhauer and Naryshkin. This sweet couple once conducted a survey among their flock. Than those will be vaccinated. Pfizer for 100 Baku or a satellite. And the flock voted for the pfizer. But here's the zrada .... Themselves, these two not very smart tovarischa were grafted into a companion, which was stupidly announced on their pages in social networks. You can check on the net. hi
                2. -5
                  17 June 2021 17: 21
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  Someone would say unpatriotic? But patriotism from covid, for some reason, does not help much.

                  Only Sputnik for Patriots! It is necessary to encourage domestic producers
                3. +3
                  17 June 2021 20: 23
                  I agree to be vaccinated. But not our "companion".

                  Well, get accustomed to modernity already in the country.
                  I was grafted into a companion so as not to wait not to risk it.
                  And not at all out of patriotism.
                  1. -3
                    17 June 2021 20: 29
                    Quote: bk316
                    I was grafted into a companion so as not to wait not to risk it.

                    Then why do you need Modern? Ginsburg guarantees quality laughing
                    1. +4
                      17 June 2021 20: 42
                      Then why do you need Modern?

                      There is no need for me yet, I will be revaccinated in a year.
                      This companion to the leader of the Redskins does not climb into the blood laughing
              6. -2
                17 June 2021 22: 01
                Plus, I don't understand why such desperate campaigning.
                ... What's incomprehensible here. The second injection of the vaccine in Moscow and the Moscow Region, the persons serving the population, should be delivered before August 15-17, which means that by September 19 (elections to the State Duma) population immunity will appear (according to believers in "the best vaccine in the world").
                1. +1
                  20 June 2021 00: 16
                  Fact 1: the effective duration of the vaccine is 9-10 months.
                  Fact 2: Covid is.
                  Fact 3: While you were in doubt, those who were vaccinated have expired the effective period of the vaccine
                  Fact 4: No country in the world will allow the extinction of its human resource.
                  1. 0
                    20 June 2021 16: 44
                    fact 1. "Covid", like any other flu and its variety is.
                    fact 2. The epidemiological threshold for covid was not exceeded either in Moscow or in the Moscow region.
                    fact 3 Mortality from covid is less than 2-3%.
                    fact 4. Everyone knows that, firstly, the vaccine has a certain percentage of effectiveness (even in a period of less than 9 months), and secondly, it has contraindications (often fatal - which I know for certain on the example of my friend, who recently left for another world after the second vaccine of the companion was given to him (lung cancer, aggressive and not immediately operable).
                    fact 5. When an epidemiological threshold occurs, citizens still have the constitutional right to refuse preventive vaccinations (clause 1 of article 5 of Law N 157-FZ), that is, vaccination is voluntary even if the epidemiological threshold is exceeded.
                    fact 6. In case of refusal from the MANDATORY (for certain professions) preventive vaccinations, only citizens performing work in the professions named in the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of July 15, 1999 N 825 can be temporarily suspended (and not dismissed) from work.
                    fact 7. If a country (guarantor of the constitution) really wants to protect and save its citizens (and not imitate), including from coronavirus infection (2019-nCoV), an increased readiness or emergency is declared in the manner prescribed by federal law of 21.12.1994/68/XNUMX N XNUMX-FZ, but then the elections to the State Duma will have to be postponed.
              7. 0
                19 June 2021 21: 09
                Quote: Gardamir
                Plus, I don't understand why such desperate campaigning.

                Elementary economics. Compare the cost of the vaccine and the cost of treatment. Not even counting the losses from sick leave payments and the absence of a person from the workplace.
            2. -4
              17 June 2021 20: 39
              And I think they should be on the safe side if their antibodies are too low.

              First, first give up alcohol, it destroys vitamins in the body, and without vitamins, consider that you have no immunity)))
              1. +3
                17 June 2021 20: 43
                [/ quote] [quote = lucul]
                And I think they should be on the safe side if their antibodies are too low.

                First, first give up alcohol, it destroys vitamins in the body, and without vitamins, consider that you have no immunity)))

                And if you drink whiskey with orange juice? wassat
            3. Aag
              +3
              18 June 2021 10: 17
              "... I did not mean healthy young people who have been ill and those who have immunity, but those who have chronic diseases of the kidneys, liver, heart, lungs, etc. They are at risk in the first place. And I think they should play it safe if their antibodies are too low ... "
              Diseases of the kidneys and liver are indicated in contraindications to vaccination for all four Russian vaccines ..
          2. +10
            17 June 2021 09: 42
            Quote: Gardamir
            Maybe you have a medical education or you have learned all the secrets of the universe, so confidently

            urge to refuse vaccination?
            What, in your opinion, can the authorities slip you under the guise of a vaccine?
            Liquid chipping?
            An untested drug? How untested is it if millions of Russians have already taken root and feel great?
            A placebo pacifier? What is the point of power to do this? Out of boredom, or what?
            1. +6
              17 June 2021 09: 49
              urge to refuse vaccination?
              I am not calling, but why such hysterical agitation. What can they slip? Even at the end of 1991, many did not realize that the Union would be destroyed. We'll find out. I know one thing you can't sit down to play with scammers.
              1. +2
                17 June 2021 10: 00
                Even at the end of 1991, many did not realize that the Union would be destroyed

                Didn't guess or didn't want to guess? "Buyer's cards" at the place of residence, the shortage of necessary goods, primarily foodstuffs, the non-payment of salaries, did you not tell anyone about anything? Or did they just stick their head in the sand, hoping that it would somehow resolve itself?
                We'll find out.

                How do you plan to find out and when?
                1. -2
                  17 June 2021 10: 04
                  Buyer's cards "at the place of residence,
                  By the way, now they also offer similar ...
                  1. +7
                    17 June 2021 11: 39
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    By the way, now they also offer similar ...

                    The only thing I found on the Internet is that they want to introduce food stamps for the poor. But this is not the same.
                  2. 0
                    17 June 2021 21: 21
                    Non-payment of wages began under Yeltsin, during perestroika this did not happen yet.
                2. -3
                  17 June 2021 10: 52
                  Didn't guess or didn't want to guess?

                  And now, many do not want to ..
                  For more than 20 years they have been pouring slop into their ears .. and how many believers are still in this power ..
                  1. +6
                    17 June 2021 11: 40
                    Quote: Roman070280
                    And now, many do not want to ..

                    Now, too, is the general non-payment of wages and in shops a ball rolling?
                    1. +3
                      17 June 2021 11: 51
                      Some strange question ..
                      What does the payment of salaries have to do with promises of an average salary of 2000 euros, and what relation can clogged store shelves have to raising the retirement age and miserable pensions.

                      Comparison from the category - so what if they lie and steal, the parking lots are still packed with cars ..))
                      1. -5
                        17 June 2021 12: 55
                        That is, for you, the lack of groceries in stores and the total non-payment of salaries are about the same as raising the retirement age?
                        Who has a beggarly pension? Have a labor veteran? Or from someone who preferred to receive a salary in an envelope?
                      2. +4
                        18 June 2021 07: 39
                        All of them, without exception. In addition to deputies, bureaucrats and office workers. Even the highest officers of the Armed Forces and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, when applied to the prices of modern life, have beggarly pensions. The pension of a hard worker in the USSR was equal to the average salary in the country of 100-120 rubles. That is, having plowed his due, he calmly raised his grandchildren and dug the beds. And if the GSS or a full Knight of Glory, for example, in general Croesus. The salary of the minister, with all the wrapping up and a maximum of a piece, and now some directors of state corporations spend five lemons a day. Interestingly, he shits with bryuliks and leases to the treasury or falls on the embrasure every half hour? Stop spreading about store shelves here, in the country there is a terrible inequality and exploitation of huckster hard workers. This alone nullifies all your buns.
                      3. 0
                        20 June 2021 03: 50
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The pension of a hard worker in the USSR was equal to the average salary in the country of 100-120 rubles.

                        About the pension of collective farmers in 30-40 rubles. remind?
                      4. +4
                        20 June 2021 07: 15
                        The collective farmer has a subsidiary farm with free fodder from the collective farm. And some fed piglets with bread, very cheap. And then, the hegemon is precisely the pro-politariat, and it has preferences. But in the state farm, my father-in-law, he had a salary for the suffering of the minister. And so from year to year. A simple driver, not even a combine operator, those probably had two of them. Fuck in the Union you will spend such money. Put your labor ruble, which is not subject to inflation, on your savings bank, and you don't need any kind of pension.
                        And in your country, hucksters, swindlers and thieves who work do not eat.
                    2. +1
                      17 June 2021 12: 08
                      It seems to me that the fact that many are not vaccinated shows the public's confidence in government and medicine.
              2. +6
                17 June 2021 15: 22
                Because the consequences of the epidemic, not for you or me personally, but for everyone (society), are already very difficult and will be even more difficult. Not to mention the dead people.
            2. +12
              17 June 2021 15: 28
              You asked about medical education, I have that. I will try to explain my understanding of the problem of non-vaccination by the population. I remember very well (professionally connected with this) what G ... walked through the territory of our country under the guise of vaccines in the 90s. Trash from all over the world. And every time there was a certificate of state quality control! We still have to analyze the results of that "fun" for a long time. For example, one of the long-term effects of low-grade vaccines is reduced fertility. Pay attention to how many young couples are forced to turn to IVF.
              Apparently, people have not forgotten this and do not feel trust in the state bodies regulating this area.
              At the same time, I myself (together with my family) were grafted with Sputnik. I have quite detailed data on this vaccine (I cannot say anything about the rest). The vaccine is very good. The evidence base for effectiveness is high. With regard to security. Many short-term adverse reactions can already be excluded, especially hemorrhagic manifestations, as predicted by the technological process of obtaining the vaccine (high degree of purification). There is indeed no data on long-term adverse reactions. But there is such data for other vaccines based on this vector (the virus they use as a base for vaccine packaging). And these data indicate a low likelihood of long-term adverse reactions of the studied vaccines, and allow predicting the same for Sputnik.
              It seems to me that all these issues should be disclosed in the media, the process of quality control of vaccines should be covered in detail, perhaps, public organizations should be involved. Instead ... Treating people like cattle. And compulsory vaccination in Moscow and the region, it seems, will be the last straw, people will refuse. Sobyanin and Rakova calculated that 3 million people would fall under their obligation. Plus 1,5 have already taken root. Well, 4,5 million is not even half of Muscovites ... And the rest will not go on principle now.
              1. -1
                17 June 2021 21: 14
                Quote: codetalker
                Plus 1,5 have already taken root. Well, 4,5 million is not even half of Muscovites ... And the rest will not go on principle now

                So, they will come up with another whip for them. I know many entrepreneurs who told their employees - either vaccination, or - out the gate. Write at your own expense and stay at home. This is the best variant!
            3. +2
              17 June 2021 17: 24
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              What is the point of power to do this?

              To do politics on this! In the country that was the first to vaccinate against covid, no one wants to be vaccinated with it. What a shame!
            4. -2
              17 June 2021 20: 43
              What, in your opinion, can the authorities slip you under the guise of a vaccine?

              Well, what do African girls get vaccinated under the guise of a flu vaccine? )))
          3. +14
            17 June 2021 09: 45
            Quote: Gardamir
            Maybe you have a medical education or you have learned all the secrets of the universe that you are so confidently calling into the unknown

            In the northern regions of our country there are a lot of cities with a population of 50-100 thousand people who live from oil and gas production. In these cities, no one tearfully begs the people to be vaccinated against covid. But without a vaccine, it’s very easy to lose your job. Therefore, in these cities, the vaccination rate jumps to 70%. From communication with the chief doctors of the hospitals of those places: carriers of covid come to the territory. This becomes known after their hospitalization and diagnosis. A "covid" team is sent to the point from which the patient is "withdrawn", which tests all contact persons. Result: the arriving "active patients" do not create the epicenter of a covid outbreak in the environment. I think you don't have to be a "fifth generation professional infectious disease specialist" to understand this. Analyzing the results of the vote before the article, you come to the understanding that it is not vaccination that fails, but the hope for the conscientiousness and civic responsibility of "the people who once read it". An interesting video with the idea that "a stupid person does not consider himself stupid because he is stupid" is wandering around in the tick-tock. I think that it is useless to agitate the people. It is necessary to give him an alternative - a vaccine or a completely paid treatment in case of a disease prophylactic with this vaccine. Everything will fall into place. Certain independent decisions of "proud individualists" with fragile brains are very expensive for the state budget.
            1. +5
              17 June 2021 09: 57
              hope for conscientiousness
              We had nowhere to go when we were called on to be understanding. Now you are calling to make medicine payable.
              By the way, what is the essence of totalitarianism? For example, it would seem impossible for me to isolate myself. But the threat of fines and all of Moscow sits home. Now they also allegedly voluntarily rushed to vaccinate. Otherwise, they won't be allowed to work. I’ll ask you again. If a person is ill, why be vaccinated?
              1. +5
                17 June 2021 10: 18
                Quote: Gardamir
                I’ll ask you again. If a person is ill, why be vaccinated?

                Hmm ... You can see the video from the tick-tock about you .... Brains not? You have been living with Covid for the second year, but it feels like on a desert island. Immunity is formed very individually, for some it is better, for some it is worse and can hold out after a previous illness for six months, or maybe 2 weeks, in any case, repeated cases of the disease within 2 weeks - months are not rare. And it is necessary to be vaccinated, but only through an analysis of the antibody titer.
                1. -3
                  17 June 2021 10: 23
                  And you need to be vaccinated
                  Brains not? If antibodies last two weeks after an illness, why do they take longer after vaccination? I will repeat it again for the "smart" ones, vaccination is an infection with a mild form of the disease, had been ill for three days and developed antibodies and have a walk.
                  By the way, they used to get vaccinated against the flu every year, now it's not relevant?
                  1. +3
                    17 June 2021 10: 26
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    Brains not? If antibodies last two weeks after an illness, why do they take longer after vaccination?

                    Really not ... Medicine is powerless. Stock up on oxygen just in case, otherwise it often began to run out)))
                    1. +1
                      17 June 2021 11: 33
                      Really not
                      cover up the absence of arguments with the presence of humor.
                      1. 0
                        17 June 2021 11: 44
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        cover up the absence of arguments with the presence of humor.

                        Arguments can be given to those who want to listen and hear them, but you do not. The point of all your posts is that vaccination is evil and pointless. If for all the time for this topic you could not, at least for yourself and your safety, figure out the issues of vaccination against covid ... believe me, there is no need for medical education, everything is set out in an accessible language, then ... I already said about it above, and do boltology in the comments. ... The satellite forms immunity for up to 9 months. the rest are in the same interval. Comparable with flu vaccines and just enough to survive the cold season.
                      2. -5
                        17 June 2021 12: 29
                        Speaking of boltology, where did you get the data about 9 months?
                  2. +6
                    17 June 2021 12: 39
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    And you need to be vaccinated
                    I will repeat it again for the "smart" ones, vaccination is an infection with a mild form of the disease, had been ill for three days and developed antibodies and have a walk.

                    This is only one of the types of vaccine, the vaccine can also be "inactivated", it consists of previously killed pathogens (most allergenic), then vaccines can contain only surface antigens of pathogens (minimal allergenicity) these are the so-called subunit vaccines, and another option is vaccines containing destroyed fragments of the pathogen - split vaccines (medium in allergenicity)
                2. +1
                  17 June 2021 20: 06
                  By the way, the analysis for antibodies is not a contraindication against vaccination. In gayrope, America, they decided and do it without any special analysis to everyone.
                  1. Aag
                    +1
                    18 June 2021 17: 19
                    Quote: rocket757
                    By the way, the analysis for antibodies is not a contraindication against vaccination. In gayrope, America, they decided and do it without any special analysis to everyone.

                    Does the amount of antibodies matter?
                    What about other medical contraindications?
                    1. 0
                      18 June 2021 18: 53
                      Which ones, more specifically, please .... I will compare them with the list of chronic and eternal, which are rich people around, working nearby, located .... not children, however, managed to "earn" both this and that.
                      and so, offhand, only one "disease" comes .... own crap !!! that's for sure, the disease is chronic, almost never passing away. It is difficult to treat.
                      Oh, yes, the number of antibodies ... it matters, you can wait until the decline begins, but in many places they decided NOT to freeze with additional analyzes ... direct savings, however, and they love to count money / are forced to.
                      By the way, today the "chosen ones" remove almost all restrictions and begin to live an ordinary life .... 70% of vaccinated !!! Everything for an adult ... no gingerbread, ONLY WHIP! Infected / sick about three dozen per day, NO MASKS!
              2. -6
                17 June 2021 10: 20
                Quote: Gardamir
                If a person is ill, why be vaccinated?

                Vaccines are designed to prevent the "primary" strain of covid, and we have English and Indian. The quality / effectiveness of our vaccines is highly questionable. It turns out that you with the "three-line" go against not against the "tiger", but against the "Armata".
                1. -1
                  17 June 2021 11: 47
                  The quality / effectiveness of our vaccines is highly questionable.

                  You know very well that the question is being studied and the invitro answer has been received: the efficiency is 1.6 times less.
                  1. +1
                    17 June 2021 13: 32
                    Quote: bk316
                    efficiency is 1.6 times less.

                    Who? So let's compare with imports and reveal the official secrets. Little lies always breed big
                    1. +3
                      17 June 2021 13: 42
                      Who?

                      The satellite's efficiency (invitro) against the Indian strain is 1.6 times less than that of the Wuhan one. Is it clear now?
                      1. 0
                        17 June 2021 14: 04
                        Quote: bk316
                        The satellite's efficiency (invitro) against the Indian strain is 1.4 times less than that of the Wuhan one. Is it clear now

                        A link, pliz, but not from Ginzburg
                      2. +7
                        17 June 2021 14: 09
                        A link, pliz, but not from Ginzburg

                        How can it not be from Ginzburg, if research is carried out in hamaleas? Well, I can send him from his deputy .... When the research is not only invitro there will be a publication. Again, if you are applying for any relation to the medical community, you must know the procedure.
                      3. -3
                        17 June 2021 14: 15
                        Quote: bk316
                        How can it not be from Ginzburg, if research is carried out in hamaleas?

                        Got it, the Lancet again
                    2. 0
                      20 June 2021 15: 17
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      Who? So let's compare with imports and reveal the official secrets. Little lies always breed big

                      This is most likely why the population of our country has such an attitude towards vaccination propaganda, too serious and over the past 30 years the powers that be threw the people. There is no faith, perhaps only fear remained. All this is sad.
                2. +4
                  17 June 2021 11: 49
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Vaccines are designed to prevent the "primary" strain of covid,

                  Yes, you are right, but from practice in Israel, British, South African, Brazilian, Indian and even native Israeli were found and the Pfizer vaccine protected against all these mutations.
                3. +2
                  17 June 2021 12: 53
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  and we have English and Indian.

                  An article has just passed from the manufacturer of Sputnik that the vaccine also works against the Indian strain.
                  1. -5
                    17 June 2021 13: 34
                    Quote: Hagen
                    from the manufacturer of Sputnik that the vaccine also works against the Indian strain.

                    Any method is good in the hands of the author. They also write something on the fence, but the fence remains a fence - please be kind enough information from independent experts
                  2. +4
                    17 June 2021 17: 29
                    Quote: Hagen
                    An article has just passed from the manufacturer of Sputnik that the vaccine also works against the Indian strain.

                    let him better answer the questions:
                    Reputable scientific journal "Lancet" (Lancet) on May 12, 2021 published the second article about the Russian vaccine "Sputnik V"... Unlike the first article, the new one is not at all joyful. In it the creators of the vaccine are accused, translating everything said into the simple language of ordinary people, of falsifying data and reports of clinical trials of a Russian vaccine... That casts doubt on everything that the creators of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine say about their creation.
                    "In line with our previous concerns about Phase 1/2 results and poor reporting of Phase 3 interim results, we invite researchers to once again make public the data on which their analysis is based... Access to the protocol, its amendments and individual patient records is of paramount importance, both for clarification and for open discussion of all issues. "
                    Where are the answers? Blah blah from Ginzburg and that's it.
                    1. +4
                      17 June 2021 19: 53
                      Quote: Overlock
                      Where are the answers? Blah blah from Ginzburg and that's it.

                      Earlier, I wrote about the practical performance of the vaccine. You say - let him answer? So you write to him. Have you seen Ginzburg somewhere? For the money that revolves around this problem, the Lancet will write something else.
                      1. +2
                        17 June 2021 20: 28
                        Quote: Hagen
                        For the money that revolves around this problem, the Lancet will write something else.

                        So Ginzburg does not say words everywhere for nothing! What loot is at stake! and Past!
                        Let him take and refute the Lancet, otherwise it turns out ugly: when it was necessary to move the vaccine, on all fours to the Lancet, as Lancet had questions to him, "I am not me and the house is not mine"
              3. +11
                17 June 2021 10: 24
                It is not the state, but the chief, who will not be allowed to work, because no one wants to quarantine. These are losses.
                The regime of self-isolation was everywhere, and in democracies too, because even a democracy cannot allow the personal right of one to harm many.
                The essence of totalitarianism is when the state crawls into your purely private life and regulates it with its own laws (sanctions for childlessness, for not being married upon reaching a certain age, for parasitism, for religion, etc.).
                If you have been ill, there really is no point in vaccinating.

                PS Why questions about totalitarianism? If you are really interested, I recommend reading the corresponding paragraph in the textbook on Theory of State and Law. If you are agitating and throwing misinformation, trying to "shake" the people - again, knowing the theory, you can more competently come to this.
                1. Aag
                  +2
                  18 June 2021 18: 59
                  Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                  It is not the state, but the chief, who will not be allowed to work, because no one wants to quarantine. These are losses.
                  The regime of self-isolation was everywhere, and in democracies too, because even a democracy cannot allow the personal right of one to harm many.
                  The essence of totalitarianism is when the state crawls into your purely private life and regulates it with its own laws (sanctions for childlessness, for not being married upon reaching a certain age, for parasitism, for religion, etc.).
                  If you have been ill, there really is no point in vaccinating.

                  PS Why questions about totalitarianism? If you are really interested, I recommend reading the corresponding paragraph in the textbook on Theory of State and Law. If you are agitating and throwing misinformation, trying to "shake" the people - again, knowing the theory, you can more competently come to this.

                  ... This is capitalism ... (at best, we seem to be closer to neo-feudalism).
                  In the spring, because of the "pandemic", they did not work ... for two days (!) Everybody printed the necessary certificates ... And the boss does not care that the kindergartens did not work, and the child is not easy to leave. Partly I understand him. the director, owner, organizer was the first to fall ill .. and came to work two weeks later, as soon as he could walk. The result? About 40% of employees had been ill with varying degrees of severity (perhaps more, - quite easily, or asymptomatic).
                  Perhaps it is worth mentioning that, about six months before the official announcement of Covid-19, many were ill with an incomprehensible ... crap .... I have honey. the card recorded pneumonia ... Only in a polyclinic a doctor, a therapist, got "a girl with black hair, narrow eyes, poorly understanding Russian (not a Buryat ... Irkutsk).
              4. +7
                17 June 2021 12: 52
                Quote: Gardamir
                Now you are calling to make medicine payable.

                Half-truth is one of the forms of lying. Tell me, why do you ascribe to me what I did not say? I do not call for paying for medicine. I call for financial responsibility of those who deliberately do not want to take care of their health and lead to unnecessary expenditures of the country's budget. Can you catch the difference? The country produced a medicine for a lot of money, you ignore this concern, get sick, spread the infection around you and are treated at the expense of the state. Is it too costly to satisfy your short-sighted behavior? I don't mean you specifically. In this case, "you" refers to the principled opponent of vaccination.
                1. +2
                  17 June 2021 13: 11
                  In general, I agree with you about the personal health of citizens. But what about the officials? Someone, let's call him conditionally Sobyanin, said back in December that there are a lot of hospitals. And six months later, it turned out that there was not enough.
                  That's just, I'm not against vaccinations, as such. I am against the posons from the Kremlin, who have not been noticed in caring for the people. And now they suddenly burst into love. This is not casual.
                  1. +7
                    17 June 2021 13: 56
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    I am against the posons from the Kremlin, who have not been noticed in caring for the people.

                    The guys from the Kremlin, in caring for the health of the people, supported and developed the system that produced three high-quality vaccines that most countries of the world do not have. You just don't care what those guys in the Kremlin are doing. The vaccine, as well as everything high-tech that our country produces today, suddenly cannot be done. It takes many years to maintain and develop various competencies.
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    Someone, let's call him conditionally Sobyanin, said back in December that there are a lot of hospitals. And six months later, it turned out that there was not enough.

                    You have an infectious outbreak today. You did not understand? And if in normal life you need an average of 10 beds (conditionally), then during epidemics you may need 000 beds, and not simple ones, but provided with all medical gas and other medical equipment. You simply cannot imagine how much it costs to maintain 30 bed of such a specialized fund. This is not a cot in the corridor of a communal apartment ... This is a lot of money. Which, as you know, there are no superfluous in the country. And sometimes quite a bit necessary.
                    1. 0
                      17 June 2021 14: 20
                      About three vaccines. The grandfather comes to the doctor and says that he has not enough sex with his grandmother, but his friends say that they are wow. The doctor told him, and you say that, wow. In short, if in two years all these isolations are not stopped, then these vaccines are worthless.
                      With regard to the efficiency of the maintenance of beds. That is also a kind of anecdote. There is no war, why the army, no fires, why the Ministry of Emergency Situations. And if a little more serious, to occupy high positions and not have a plan in case of force majeure is a crime.
                      Until now, no one wants to cope with the annual fires and floods.
                      1. +2
                        17 June 2021 16: 09
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        There is no war, why the army, no fires, why the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

                        You are obviously not aware that there is a big difference between the army of peacetime and the army of a country in a special period. It is useless for a person to explain things incomprehensible to him that he does not want to understand.
              5. +2
                17 June 2021 21: 27
                By the way, what is the essence of totalitarianism? For example, it would seem impossible for me to isolate myself. But the threat of fines and all of Moscow sits home.

                Judging by such criteria, the whole world is almost totalitarian, even the most democratic, and in our country it is even much freer.
              6. -1
                18 June 2021 09: 44
                I wanted to be vaccinated, but one of them died after the first one (((. I will not do.
              7. 0
                20 June 2021 15: 11
                Because, having had this infection, there is no guarantee that you will not get sick again and not the fact that the second time will be easier than the first, however, this does not guarantee vaccination. Alas, this is so.
            2. +4
              17 June 2021 11: 37
              Quote: Hagen
              Certain independent decisions of "proud individualists" with fragile brains are very expensive for the state budget.

              Not as expensive as maintaining a horde of thieving officials. Only on the construction of roads, which after a year sprawl huge amounts of money are spent. "Optimization" of medicine also does not add confidence.
              1. -1
                17 June 2021 12: 58
                Quote: Hyperion
                Not as expensive as maintaining a horde of thieving officials.

                "Not so" how is it? Is it possible in numbers? Nevertheless, you nevertheless admit the wrongfulness of these "decisions". So we agree that the state should show its will in relation to such "immature" ones?
                1. +2
                  17 June 2021 13: 03
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Nevertheless, you nevertheless admit the wrongfulness of these "decisions".

                  There is no wrongfulness. According to Law No. 157FZ of September 17.09.1998, 5, everyone has the right to refuse vaccinations (Article 11), and vaccinations for minors are carried out only with parental consent (Article XNUMX).
                  Quote: Hagen
                  In numbers, can I?

                  To dig for a long time ... I will say this: covid hysteria has appeared relatively recently, and we have thieving officials from time immemorial.
                  Quote: Hagen
                  the state must show its will

                  The state has more than enough will, but the conscience and concern for the population is fucking small.
            3. +5
              17 June 2021 21: 22
              "Some independent decisions of" proud individualists "with fragile brains are very expensive for the state budget."
              On this topic, in my opinion, today Sergey Mikheev spoke just as well in iron logic:
              “Anyone who is younger, who was brought up in the Western paradigm, thinks like this:“ I can do whatever I want. What fell on my head was right. ”And didn't you teach young people for 30 years? Didn't you? Didn't you teach them that“ I deserve this, that my personal good, my personal comfort, my personal pleasure , my personal nonsense is the meaning of life "? So get it. So the traditional understanding of the collective good is being supplanted. But in critical situations you turn to people:" Let's show responsibility. " ...
              1. Aag
                +2
                18 June 2021 18: 30
                Quote: Alexander123
                "Some independent decisions of" proud individualists "with fragile brains are very expensive for the state budget."
                On this topic, in my opinion, today Sergey Mikheev spoke just as well in iron logic:
                “Anyone who is younger, who was brought up in the Western paradigm, thinks like this:“ I can do whatever I want. What fell on my head was right. ”And didn't you teach young people for 30 years? Didn't you? Didn't you teach them that“ I deserve this, that my personal good, my personal comfort, my personal pleasure , my personal nonsense is the meaning of life "? So get it. So the traditional understanding of the collective good is being supplanted. But in critical situations you turn to people:" Let's show responsibility. " ...

                You forgot to mention that Mikheev, in the same program, mentioned another part of the population, the older one ... I am not an adherent of Mikheev, although I respect opinions that sometimes contradict the "general line." )))) ....
                So, close to the text, thesis: the older generation was repeatedly convinced that the calls of the authorities often turned out to be ... at least ... negative for people. The reaction is also appropriate!
                ... In a word, hello capitalism! (Although, IMHO, we also have it clumsy). I'll try to justify: about three weeks ago the winds came to us. Cellular (individual operators) no, Internet, - I can't answer VO in time .. ...
                The figure is on TV! Three prefixes changed! Hangs, glitches ... Five (!) Antennas. With analog, a piece of wire was enough to receive the same channels. Without bothering with directionality and wavelength ...
                Returning to the topic of the article: yes, they say (people working there) infectious diseases hospitals are crammed. But people do not believe the statistics, they are strongly engaged! They remember how at first they “masked” the real situation, they recovered, they were cured of covid (!); died from pneumonia, chronic diseases ...
                Hence, disbelief, mistrust, fear.
          4. +7
            17 June 2021 11: 43
            you have learned all the secrets of the universe that you are so confidently calling into the unknown

            It’s not even the stupidity of anti-vaccinators that makes me angry. In the end, the stupidity of the masses over the past 40 years is an accomplished and well-known fact. I am angry that the mass of people who do not understand ANYTHING in this or that issue (not necessarily in vaccination) has the audacity to declare something loudly and argue with foam at the mouth with specialists. Soon it will come to me that mathematicians like you will tell me about the fact that Pythagoras was wrong. am As they are already trying to tell about Einstein am
            Now essentially

            I have an increased level of antibodies, should I go anyway?

            What specific level and on what test. If you send the results of the analysis, I will answer this tricky question of yours, as you probably think. BUT in general, any local doctor should answer this.
            1. +5
              17 June 2021 14: 11
              Quote: bk316
              I am angry that the mass of people who do not understand ANYTHING in this or that issue (not necessarily in vaccination) has the audacity to say something loudly and argue with foam at the mouth with specialists.

              I don’t think we should be angry about it ... It's just that the world works like that. As B. Shaw said, 2 percent of people - thinks, 3 percent - thinks they think, and 95 percent of people will die better than think. It doesn't make you angry that it is cold in winter and hot in summer, that the dog barks and does not speak?
              1. +6
                17 June 2021 14: 15
                It's just the way the world works.

                NO, it is NOW that way. Even 40 years ago, it was a shame to publicly carry nonsense, and among the people there was a saying "shut up for a clever one." Well, the specialists did not have to react to any nonsense of individuals. If the process has passed its stages in 40 years, it may be possible to roll it back. After all, I am not against inadequately high self-esteem of people, I am against the influence of this self-esteem on my life. Sit down and think of yourself as Einstein only QUIETLY.
                1. +4
                  17 June 2021 16: 19
                  Quote: bk316
                  Even 40 years ago, it was a shame to publicly carry nonsense

                  40 years ago, we could not even imagine that it would be so easy to go online and assert ourselves, calling the president a bad word. There were no such technologies then. And I also think many are provoked by anonymity on the network. Whatever someone says on the net today, his neighbors and loved ones will not reproach and blush. The time is different today. And you can't unscrew it back.
                  Quote: bk316
                  I’m not against inadequately high self-esteem of people, I’m against the influence of this self-esteem on my life

                  And this was enough before. In life, in general, justice is a rare guest.
                  1. +1
                    17 June 2021 16: 26
                    And you can't unscrew it back.

                    I'm not sure censorship was before the Internet and will be after it. And self-censorship is generally independent of the Internet. However, you may be right. But no one bothers me to solve this problem locally, in the size of the family of work, in general, my environment ...
            2. +2
              17 June 2021 18: 20
              It's not even the stupidity of the anti-vaccine that makes me angry about all this.
              Let's dot Y. I'm not an anti-addict. For 30 years I have been convinced that now is democracy, that the country doomedto liberalism. May I not go. I am not calling anyone to anything. Just explain when yours need to hold a concert, then they can go without a mask. And do not care about your appeals that everyone amazes everyone.
              Who do you call the specialists of these showmen? Or do you think that the gynecologist is well versed in viruses?
              I don't know what test. the first time they took me at the Sklifosovsky hospital. Do you trust the doctors of this hospital?
          5. +7
            17 June 2021 19: 45
            To be vaccinated or not? This is a personal matter for everyone. Millions of people get flu shots. What do you think? Allocating huge money to support the birth rate (maternity capital, etc.) on the one hand, does the state want to kill its population with the help of the Covid vaccine on the other? You need to analyze information from different sources and think. On my own behalf, I will say: a real information war against vaccination is going on on the network. There are even "daughters of an officer from Crimea" - "My mother (sister, neighbor, etc.) works in a hospital (maternity home, clinical center, etc.) and is afraid of being vaccinated, as there is information .... ...... "IT IS YOUR BUSINESS TO GET INTO ACCEPTANCE OR NOT, DO YOU FUCK TO WRITE ABOUT THAT YOU DO NOT MEAN AND DELIBERATE PEOPLE?"
            1. +3
              17 June 2021 22: 03
              By the way, it’s because of these fucking flu shots that I don’t give myself a vaccine. In childhood, whenever he put them (voluntarily-compulsorily at school), each time after that he went to bed for a week with a wild temperature. I have not been doing it for 10 years, and I was ill for a long time (more than 1 day) with a temperature from the force of 2 times.
              I see no reason for myself to run the risk of catching the same thing after the next vaccination, so I'd better wait, if the state completely cuts it off with a compulsory vaccine, then there will be nothing left, and so far no one obliges me to do it - I will not do it.
              And even if I lived in Moscow - the state does not oblige me, the company decides all the same))))
              All the same, covid is not measles, etc.
          6. +3
            17 June 2021 20: 52
            You are a direct example of double standards. First, you unreasonably show the person:
            Maybe you have a medical education or you have learned all the secrets of the universe that you are so confidently calling into the unknown

            Then say yourself:
            And somehow I'm afraid of the unknown, vaccinations that are stuck together on my knee.

            It would not hurt you to answer your own question. You think the Russian developers of vaccines, scientists who have dedicated their lives to this, are stupider than yourself, that you claim that it is "stitched together on the knee." Answer the question if you are used to answering for the words: "Maybe you have a medical education or you have learned all the secrets of the universe that you are so confidently calling into the unknown?" "Blind on the knee" in your opinion, the vaccine, which has been registered by more than 65 countries with a population of more than 3 billion people? Which has long passed all the necessary research and testing in accordance with international standards, and has proven its effectiveness in practice, allowing many thousands of people to be healthy. At the same time, without giving our opponents a single chance to find flaws in her or organize media harassment. And all this with the complete informational and political domination of our opponents and the absence of any political pressure from our side - even in such conditions, no one was able to discredit the vaccine. You so easily publicly acknowledge the Russian school of epidemiology, the roots of which go back to the time of Empress Catherine II, "molded on the knee", but the Soviet school grew up on the same roots, no one started from scratch. Because of people like you, many will still get sick, unfortunately, and many will die, think about it. I wish you health.
          7. 0
            18 June 2021 02: 36
            Into the unknown? What a romantic wrapper for selfishness. Into the unknown, your name is, as I understand it, from "notoriety", where you, without listening to the "agitators", are not a potential carrier for hundreds of people living near you, one hundred percent carry any type of virus with mild symptoms, allowing you to isolate yourself in time from potential victims, well and above all, you have "known" data on the epidemiological potential of the virus, as opposed to calling you into the unknown.
        3. 0
          19 June 2021 12: 31
          An interesting move)))) You urge to be vaccinated, at the same time humiliating the power that vaccinates, heals and as far as possible supports it. Ryadakh. Doesn't that sound familiar to you?
      2. +13
        17 June 2021 09: 19
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        But in the USSR, the people were conscious, banks were charged from the TV.

        The USSR existed for 70 years, and the banks were charged at most for a year, or maybe even less. Yes, the USSR was already dead. But now charlottes of all stripes can not be counted, where is the USSR with Kashpirovsky and Chumak.
      3. +3
        17 June 2021 09: 25
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        The distrustful electorate has become (Unified State Exam generation).

        In Kuban, more than 20% of ninth-graders did not pass the OGE in mathematics

        Read on WWW.KUBAN.KP.RU: https://www.kuban.kp.ru/daily/27292/4430165/
        1. +1
          17 June 2021 09: 35
          Quote: vladimirvn

          In Kuban, more than 20% of ninth-graders did not pass the OGE in mathematics

          They didn't let me write it off. Here are the bastards laughing
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 12: 58
            Nothing, at retake everything is fine with this
            1. 0
              17 June 2021 13: 05
              Give it to God ... ugh, give it to the city. And then, it's scary to think how many Tiktokers without passports can remain
      4. +11
        17 June 2021 09: 41
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        The distrustful electorate has become (Unified State Exam generation). But in the USSR, the people were conscious, banks were charged from the TV.

        Banks, in this context, have nothing to do with it. Under the USSR, the entire population of the country would have been vaccinated long ago, and absolutely voluntarily. For one simple reason, under the USSR, the overwhelming majority of the population trusted the authorities. Today, the majority of the population does not trust the authorities, and the example of vaccination, just shows the level of this trust. If the state employees were not forced to be vaccinated, etc., the number of vaccinated would be even less.
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 10: 02
          Under the USSR, the entire population of the country would have been vaccinated long ago, and absolutely voluntarily
          It was about 1984. They made me a Mantoux recitation, you know, such an incision on the forearm. And I have no tumor as it should be. I was glad. that is completely healthy. But the plant doctor said. Go get vaccinated. No one threatened me with anything, they did not force me to isolate myself. But he went and was grafted.
        2. +20
          17 June 2021 10: 22
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Under the USSR, the entire population of the country would have been vaccinated long ago, and absolutely voluntarily.

          There is such a concept - "faith in the state." Then it was and you could trust both vaccines and the state. Not now.
          1. -2
            17 June 2021 11: 32
            Quote: Silvestr
            Then it was and you could trust both vaccines and the state.

            Let me remind you, just in case, about trust "Then"...
            USSR 4 (four !!!!) threw its citizens on monetary reforms XNUMX (four !!!!)
            Cases of low-quality vaccines in the 1960s and 70s are also widely known in the medical environment.
          2. 0
            17 June 2021 17: 03
            I agree well 100% !!!
      5. +2
        17 June 2021 10: 53
        The mistrustful electorate has become


        Do you want to know the rating of trust in the government of the country? VTsIOM, Levada, etc. are not needed. Just look at the percentage of vaccinated! wink
        1. +11
          17 June 2021 11: 17
          Quote: paul3390
          Do you want to know the rating of trust in the government of the country? VTsIOM, Levada, etc. are not needed. Just look at the percentage of vaccinated!

          Exactly! Vaccination brake - a reflection of trust in authority
          1. +2
            17 June 2021 17: 06
            Hello Dear Sylvester. I was sitting in the bathhouse, with my back to the TV, I don't watch .., and there was a news release, it said that Putin was vaccinated, but he did not disclose which vaccine he did .., does that add confidence ..? The media is a lie, and they would lie to the end, they would say that Sputnik, because the country is being inoculated with it ...
        2. -7
          17 June 2021 11: 24
          Quote: paul3390
          a rating of confidence in the government of the country? VTsIOM, Levada, etc. are not needed. Just look at the percentage of vaccinated

          This is an indicator of the complete irresponsibility of those who consider themselves smarter than others.
          In Europe, people were queuing up at vaccination points. And our noses were poking around "Yes, this is nonsense. I am not sick. And I will not get sick. Probably ..." The voting statistics at the beginning of the article perfectly show this.
          It is necessary to put on the grandmother of those who refuse to be vaccinated not directly, so indirectly - they got sick, treatment at your expense.
          1. +10
            17 June 2021 11: 27
            Or maybe - to begin with, we will put those, thanks to whose ebullient activity the people do not believe in the authorities even a dime? What would they not suggest? Knowing clearly that from the dashing people of the sovereign, there can only be evil.
            1. -6
              17 June 2021 11: 32
              Quote: paul3390
              Or maybe - to begin with, we will put those, thanks to whose ebullient activities the people do not believe in the authorities even a dime? What would they not suggest?

              You have your own prosecutor's office, your own court and your own IC. By what articles will you judge?
              You believe in your own ego, personal, sinless. And worthless ...
              1. +1
                17 June 2021 11: 36
                Not. Their own listed institutions are owned by the imperious thief. With all that it implies.

                And the useless ones are the brains of the characters, to this day drowning for such power ..
          2. +4
            17 June 2021 17: 34
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            In Europe, people were queuing up at vaccination points.

            The point is what they are vaccinated with.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            It is necessary to put on the grandmother of those who refuse to be vaccinated not directly, so indirectly - they got sick, treatment at your expense.

            What about the taxes of these people? They have already paid for them, including for medicine. Therefore, they are eligible for medical assistance.
            1. -4
              17 June 2021 18: 53
              Quote: Overlock
              how about the taxes of these people? They have already paid for them, including for medicine. Therefore, they have the right

              How clever! It became already enviable ... lol
              What about the deliberate and deliberate spread of the disease?
              Refusal of vaccination can be qualified as refusal of treatment.
              Quote: Overlock
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              In Europe, people were queuing up at vaccination points.

              The point is what they are vaccinated with.

              AstraZeneca
              Your distrust to Sputnik, or to other Russian vaccines will turn into a bed in the ward. Possibly without mechanical ventilation.
              1. 0
                17 June 2021 19: 51
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                How clever! It became already enviable ...

                Everything according to the Law
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                What about the deliberate and deliberate spread of the disease?

                How is the article of the Criminal Code called? How can you prove it?
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Refusal of vaccination can be qualified as refusal of treatment.

                Nonsense!
                Quote: Silvestr
                Your Wishlist. Against you:
                Constitution of the Russian Federation (Article 22), Universal Declaration of Human Rights of December 10.12.1948, 3 (Article 04.11.1950), Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of November 1, 5 (Part 17.09.1998 of Article 157), Federal Law of September 157, 21.11.2011 No. 323-FZ "On immunization of infectious diseases" (hereinafter - FZ No. 323), Federal Law of November 21.03.2014, 125 No. XNUMX-FZ "On the basics of protecting the health of citizens in the Russian Federation" (hereinafter - FZ No. XNUMX), Order of the Ministry of Health of Russia dated XNUMX .XNUMX No. XNUMXn "On Approval of the National Calendar of Preventive Vaccinations and the Calendar of Preventive Vaccinations for Epidemic Indications",

                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Your distrust to Sputnik, or to other Russian vaccines will turn into a bed in the ward. Possibly without mechanical ventilation.

                How can I believe if the Lancet doesn't believe?

                1. +2
                  17 June 2021 22: 02
                  Quote: Overlock
                  How can I believe if the Lancet doesn't believe?

                  The main thing is that you have enough desire and health to recover from your illness.
                  And so that your relatives, who get sick, recover just as quickly.
                  The question of faith has nothing to do with it ...
                  Quote: Overlock
                  Nonsense

                  It is precisely this attitude towards others that determines the moral and ethical position of Covid dissidents.
                  You wanted to sneeze at those around you. Literally and figuratively.
                  Your immoral behavior is dictated by your wishes.
                  Therefore, in contrast to your wishes, normal people who want to live in peace want those who disregard the issue of herd immunity to be held accountable. In any form. Since they are a danger to others.
                2. +2
                  17 June 2021 22: 28
                  How can I believe if the Lancet doesn't believe?

                  And the link is possible, otherwise I haven’t looked for this article in the Lancet, but I haven’t found it.
                3. 0
                  20 June 2021 04: 45
                  Quote: Overlock
                  if the lancet doesn't believe?

                  And what is the site stateofthenation.co (in the lower picture you have), and is it related to the Lancet? And what is COVID VAX?
                  And one more thing: Did you yourself read the article in the original? Could have translated, otherwise not everyone in English understands ...
            2. Aag
              +2
              18 June 2021 19: 13
              Quote: Overlock
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              In Europe, people were queuing up at vaccination points.

              The point is what they are vaccinated with.
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              It is necessary to put on the grandmother of those who refuse to be vaccinated not directly, so indirectly - they got sick, treatment at your expense.

              What about the taxes of these people? They have already paid for them, including for medicine. Therefore, they are eligible for medical assistance.

              And there they already believe that this is THEIR money. Well ..., then I will take it into account! And for additional services, and additional payment ... am
        3. -2
          17 June 2021 12: 04
          Do you want to know the rating of trust in the government of the country? VTsIOM, Levada, etc. are not needed. Just look at the percentage of vaccinated!

          You are probably right.
          The result is a rating> 58%.
          About which I have spoken many times.
          1. +4
            17 June 2021 17: 39
            Quote: bk316
            You are probably right.
            The result is a rating> 58%.

            and if by country?

            Where is 58%? Oooh?
      6. +2
        17 June 2021 17: 36
        In general, everything is strange with this COVID! That, China was accused, then the United States. "Dictatorial" China and the DPRK managed to restore order, but "democratic countries did not. The West does not provide statistics on influenza, oncology and other dock-like diseases. Here is one of the posts translated to Germany. The latter can be understood by many (number of photos for insertions are limited):




      7. 0
        20 June 2021 21: 34
        Well, now we have a selective crown. For example, it is not in the Crimea and the Krasnodar Territory. But there is a lot of it in Moscow and St. Petersburg. But in the fall they will change places) The vacation time is over, and the crown will already go south, so to speak for the winter))
    2. -20
      17 June 2021 07: 42
      The weak character of Russians is even manifested in this - they are afraid of an injection, they are waiting for others to be grafted for herd immunity. Hataskraynism in action, that is, in inaction laughing
      Was it different Soviet people who defeated the plague, poliomyelitis, typhoid, cholera through tough collective actions and intransigence to the irresponsible.
      Therefore, the government needs to remove all restrictions - let them die. You see, really active, conscious people will survive and will lead the country out of the crisis. Yes, I myself am waiting for the antibodies to fall and I will be vaccinated, the family has already been vaccinated.
      1. +14
        17 June 2021 08: 19
        Quote: Civil
        Weakness of Russians

        Quote: Civil
        Khataskraynism

        Quote: Civil
        let them die. You see, really active, conscious people will survive and will lead the country out of the crisis.

        Can you tell me how many tens of millions of such Russians you mentioned have become extinct since 1991? I understand that you are a supporter of a pure race, consisting exclusively of active and conscious, and, therefore, support this genocide? Fascism, no?
        And what will this pure race be called? Vedorossi? Putinists?
        1. -14
          17 June 2021 09: 54
          Can you tell me how many tens of millions of such Russians you mentioned have become extinct since 1991? I understand that you are a supporter of a pure race, consisting exclusively of active and conscious, and, therefore, support this genocide? Fascism, no?
          And what will this pure race be called? Vedorossi? Putinists?

          Can you tell me how much healthy men watched on TVru how did they break the USSR in 1991? Because they "little people" и "politics is dirty business"? And why should I feel sorry for these small but "neat" peasants?
          Vedorossi? Putinists?

          These, though like the others, are not cowardly hiding.
          support this genocide

          Do you propose to forcibly vaccinate the weak-willed? This is an alternative to extinction actually.
          1. +7
            17 June 2021 10: 06
            Because they are "little people" and "politics is a dirty business"?
            Don't lie. The coup d'état was carried out perfectly. Legally elected President Went to Belovezhskaya Pushcha. However, preparations for this went on for several years.
            1. -10
              17 June 2021 10: 12
              Quote: Gardamir
              Don't lie. The coup d'état was carried out perfectly. Legally elected President Went to Belovezhskaya Pushcha. However, preparations for this went on for several years.

              There are a lot of examples when people did not recognize coups and were able to protect their interests - google. We also had a chance to return in 1993, but the orphaned and wretched peasants again sat in their huts on the edge. No one across the country came out to support the Supreme Soviet.
              1. +6
                17 June 2021 10: 35
                We also had a chance to return in 1993, but the orphaned and wretched peasants again sat in their huts on the edge. No one across the country came out to support the Supreme Soviet.

                In 1991, the legally elected president was locked up in Foros. The coup was allegedly organized by the State Emergency Committee. But another legally elected president got on the tank and "saved" Russia. They also talked about 1993 then about the legally elected president and the hostile Supreme Soviet. Well, just like now, if a person does not like the State Department. I only learned ten years ago in what blood Yeltsin drowned the people, just to stay in power. And now this power calls to be vaccinated.
                1. -7
                  17 June 2021 10: 43
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  I only learned ten years ago in what blood Yeltsin drowned the people, just to stay in power. And now this power calls to be vaccinated.

                  What am I talking about? I don’t understand why vaccinate an unsustainable society that has allowed such a mockery of itself.
              2. 0
                17 June 2021 15: 24
                Did you go and stand with weapons on the barricades in 93? You are always unlucky with the people! In 93 I was 10 years old, Dad only said about the events in Moscow that a war could start ... as the history of the neighbor showed " state "-war civilian. In Russia then ethnic conflicts flared up. Now it has become quieter. And not even an order. Bolshe. You didn't have enough blood? Didn't get drunk? Don't drown in desires, ceevropeets."
          2. Aag
            +1
            18 June 2021 19: 36
            Quote: Civil
            Can you tell me how many tens of millions of such Russians you mentioned have become extinct since 1991? I understand that you are a supporter of a pure race, consisting exclusively of active and conscious, and, therefore, support this genocide? Fascism, no?
            And what will this pure race be called? Vedorossi? Putinists?

            Can you tell me how much healthy men watched on TVru how did they break the USSR in 1991? Because they "little people" и "politics is dirty business"? And why should I feel sorry for these small but "neat" peasants?
            Vedorossi? Putinists?

            These, though like the others, are not cowardly hiding.
            support this genocide

            Do you propose to forcibly vaccinate the weak-willed? This is an alternative to extinction actually.

            "... These, though like the rest, are not cowardly hiding ..."
            Yes, almost openly, sometimes with fanfare, they rob, sometimes, in the old fashioned way, rob the country, its people ... ((((
      2. +7
        17 June 2021 09: 03
        The cursing turned out to be too harsh, somehow unfunny.
        But on the other hand, the vaccine is really needed, and the author is absolutely right! For more than two centuries that vaccinations have existed, mankind has defeated a huge number of diseases, starting with smallpox. So far, I have only been grafted into the first component. The consequences were as follows: by the evening the temperature rose to 37,2, by the evening of the next day everything was gone. On June 22, I will go with the second component to take root.

        So, people, there is no need to be afraid, to wait for the weather from the sea or to demonstrate your indifference, go get vaccinated! It is only some Sterligov who can seriously believe that through vaccinations is the "utilization" of the population. We would like to dispose of it - everything could be done much cheaper. Look, as it was in the 90s.
        1. +3
          17 June 2021 09: 41
          For more than two centuries that vaccinations have existed, mankind has conquered a huge number of diseases, starting with smallpox.
          Why vaccinate someone who has been ill? After all, vaccination is a lighter version of the disease.
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 10: 07
            I, too, had been ill, so I went to be vaccinated only now, when there were no more antibodies left. And before that, I was also in no hurry, as long as the natural immunity was.
            1. +1
              17 June 2021 10: 13
              when there are no antibodies left. BUT
              And after vaccination, how long will the antibodies be stored?
              1. +2
                17 June 2021 10: 24
                Quote: Gardamir
                And after vaccination, how long will the antibodies be stored?

                No one knows. After "Epivac" they are not found at all
              2. +2
                17 June 2021 10: 33
                They count on two years. But no less than from influenza.

                I had to write a new text, because I did not read the question. I decided that you are asking about immunity after illness.
                1. -2
                  17 June 2021 11: 15
                  Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                  They count on two years. But no less than from influenza.

                  but so far only so

                  The author of the vaccine has a conscience
                  1. 0
                    17 June 2021 11: 19
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    The author of the vaccine has a conscience

                    Banal, irresponsible and shameless stuffing.
                    EpivacCorona began to be vaccinated only this spring. This vaccine is not available in all regions of the country.
                    Hence the question -
                    Who is author?
                    1. +6
                      17 June 2021 13: 27
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Who is author?

                      Director General of the Center Vector Maksyutov and Interfax
                  2. -5
                    17 June 2021 13: 15
                    The author of the vaccine has a conscience

                    For that you Sylvester have no conscience.
                    First write
                    After "Epivac" they are not found at all

                    And then on your own screen
                    As of 3 and 6 months, we record the presence of antibodies in ALL vaccinated


                    Not ashamed?
                    1. +7
                      17 June 2021 13: 30
                      Quote: bk316
                      For that you Sylvester have no conscience.

                      Unlike you, I have. I draw information from various sources.
                      My conscience allowed me a year ago to work in the red zone, when you and your conscience were sitting out at your dacha 100 km from Moscow. At work 2 infections, and you, conscientious?
                      1. -4
                        17 June 2021 13: 35
                        I draw information from various sources.

                        That is, you cite the first of the two ROW paragraphs as a proof, and the second as a fake. Here we play here we do not play here we wrap the herring. Again, I'm not ashamed?

                        At work 2 infections, and you, conscientious?

                        And at my work 100% is vaccinated. STO Sylvester STO! And in my department, as a result, not a single infected person for all the time. Everyone returned to the office in the fall.
                      2. +7
                        17 June 2021 14: 02
                        Quote: bk316
                        That is, you cite the first of two ROW paragraphs as proof

                        How about a letter from those vaccinated with Epivac to the Ministry of Health regarding the absence of antibodies after vaccination?
                        Quote: bk316
                        and the second as a fake

                        Don't you believe Interfax? Then Rain will help you
                        Quote: bk316
                        And at my work 100% is vaccinated. STO Sylvester STO! And in my department, as a result, not a single infected person for all the time. Everyone returned to the office in the fall.

                        Well done! Communism is built in a separate department, one can envy. We have 20% vaccinated and who are not sick. Paradox
                      3. 0
                        17 June 2021 14: 08
                        Don't you believe Interfax?

                        You can now write whatever you want
                        but they do not do that, either proof or not proof, but through the phrase a proof-fake does not happen.



                        Communism in a separate department is built

                        As you rightly noted once, everything depends on the authorities (from me in this case).
                        Therefore, I am writing here who can come to their senses and hear from anti-vaccination and there will be more departments with communism.
                      4. -2
                        17 June 2021 14: 16
                        Quote: bk316
                        You can now write whatever you want
                        but they do not do that, either proof or not proof, but through the phrase a proof-fake does not happen.

                        After all, you are a foreign agent! You don’t read our press and don’t trust it
                      5. +1
                        17 June 2021 14: 18
                        You don’t read our press and don’t trust it

                        In general, I try not to trust either ours or theirs, if only scientific publications ...
                      6. +5
                        17 June 2021 14: 22
                        Quote: bk316
                        if only scientific publications ...

                        Especially if they're fake? Lancent requested scientific data from Gamalea after a letter about lip - where is this scientific data?
                      7. +1
                        17 June 2021 14: 24
                        Lancent requested scientific data from Gamalea after a letter about lip-

                        Enlighten what the "linden letter" is?
                      8. 0
                        17 June 2021 14: 28
                        Quote: bk316
                        Enlighten what the "linden letter" is?

                        There was a letter to the Lancet regarding the publication of Gamaleya with the results about Sputnik. It was written by scientists in the industry. Scientific controversy and doubt arose, and the Lancet redirected Ginzburg's letter. 6 months or more have passed - no answer. But in the press there are answers to everything. So who do we trust - the Lancet or the press and Ginzburg?
                      9. -3
                        17 June 2021 14: 46
                        It was written by scientists in the industry.

                        Was it published in The Lancet?
                        Proof, please. I don't read letters from scientists from the industry now, because I signed a lot at one time.
                      10. 0
                        17 June 2021 17: 44
                        Quote: bk316
                        Was it published in The Lancet?

                        Can you master request
                        https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00899-0/fulltext
                      11. 0
                        21 June 2021 12: 42
                        Well, this is what I read, but the answer was given day after day.
                        https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00894-1/fulltext
                      12. 0
                        18 June 2021 23: 20
                        Quote: bk316
                        That is, you cite the first of the two ROW paragraphs as a proof, and the second as a fake. Here we play here we do not play here we wrap the herring. Again, I'm not ashamed?

                        You probably read it inattentively. These two paragraphs do not contradict each other.
                      13. +1
                        18 June 2021 21: 14
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        My conscience let me work in the red zone a year ago

                        Proofs are desirable, without this - blah, blah, blah ... However, this is as usual.))
                    2. 0
                      17 June 2021 21: 25
                      Here's a link to Epivak, check it out: https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2021/06/03/operatsiia-e?fbclid=IwAR0NV71pImrgwfURWcknifq9srgqCJlY5x221f6yuC9YTxGblmYt-rMToag
                  3. 0
                    17 June 2021 17: 12
                    My patient tested for antibodies 2 days ago, there was a "voluntary" vaccination at an oil and gas company in January-February, the result yesterday: 0 antibodies
        2. +2
          17 June 2021 09: 44
          Quote: Artyom Karagodin
          But on the other hand, the vaccine is really needed, and the author is absolutely right! For more than two centuries that vaccinations have existed, mankind has defeated a huge number of diseases, starting with smallpox.

          Never a doctor, but as far as I know, smallpox is the only vaccine-defeated disease.
          1. +6
            17 June 2021 10: 12
            Polio, measles and more are on the same list. True, only in those countries where they are vaccinated against. We can say that these diseases have not disappeared anywhere, well, so did smallpox. It's just that people don't get sick with it now.

            By the way, smallpox was brought from India to the USSR (I don't remember the year), so Moscow, where the outbreak was noted, was closed tightly, and all the planes that had taken off from the capital were returned. And they did not ask anyone whether he wants to be vaccinated or not. But there was no epidemic, or even outbreaks of the disease outside the Moscow Ring Road.
            1. +1
              17 June 2021 10: 16
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              We can say that these diseases have not disappeared anywhere, well, so did smallpox.

              Smallpox has disappeared, the strains are stored under protection only in 2 countries of the United States and Russia, the rest of the diseases are not defeated because people still get sick with them, even if vaccinations for some viruses are really not useless.
              In general, write more precisely so that there are no questions. hi
              1. +3
                17 June 2021 10: 41
                Smallpox has disappeared, strains are kept under protection only in 2 countries USA and Russia

                The fact that for many years there have been no cases of infection among humans does not mean that this will not happen in the future. So I wouldn't be in a hurry with smallpox either. Although I will be glad if, in addition to the two indicated strains, this muck will no longer remain in the world.

                But actually - thanks for the comment. True, when I wrote the previous comment, it seemed to me that everything was clearly expressed there. As it always does laughing
          2. +3
            17 June 2021 10: 24
            Quote: KKND
            Never a doctor, but as far as I know, smallpox is the only vaccine-defeated disease.

            tetanus, diphtheria. polymyelitis
            1. +1
              17 June 2021 10: 38
              Quote: Silvestr
              tetanus, diphtheria

              These are diseases caused by bacteria, not viruses. Not completely defeated.
              Quote: Silvestr
              polymyelitis

              The viral disease has not yet been completely defeated.
              1. +3
                17 June 2021 10: 41
                Quote: KKND
                These are diseases caused by bacteria, not viruses.

                it doesn't matter! Another important thing is that there can be no tetanus after vaccination with ADS or DPT, you just need to add SA and you are alive and well.
                1. 0
                  18 June 2021 21: 19
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  These are diseases caused by bacteria, not viruses.

                  it doesn’t matter

                  To tears! Doctor of All Kuyavia, Master of Sports, Major Chingachguk, Sylvester concurrently.))
            2. 0
              17 June 2021 21: 47
              Quote: Silvestr
              diphtheria. polymyelitis

              They exist in spite of vaccination.
              1. 0
                17 June 2021 22: 42
                Quote: Normal
                They exist in spite of vaccination.

                So the tetanus is alive. The question is whether you can pick it up! It is possible without ADS / DPT in childhood, but it is impossible for a vaccinated person. So it is with diphtheria
                1. +1
                  17 June 2021 23: 07
                  I will not argue, because in this matter you, most likely, are much more informed than me.
                  But how much and how does humanity pay for the consequences of vaccinations? Don't you think that excluding many factors of natural selection, medicine will breed clients in the future?

                  PS
                  Yes, I, like many others, most likely would not have lived to reproductive age if it were not for modern medicine.
                  1. +4
                    17 June 2021 23: 52
                    Quote: Normal
                    apparently much more informed than me.
                    But how much and how does humanity pay for the consequences of vaccinations? Don't you think that excluding many factors of natural selection, medicine will breed clients in the future?

                    Very important question. In my opinion, the development of vaccines has gone beyond reason - now there is a vaccine for any disease. This is overkill. There are many similar effects of vaccines and they try to keep silent about them.
                    I myself am an advocate of minimizing vaccines. During his long life he was vaccinated with all children and nothing else. The same situation is with my daughter, and now with my granddaughter. Thank goodness this minimization was good for us.
                    With vaccination, humanity has crossed the line of reason and it does not pass without a trace
                    1. +2
                      17 June 2021 23: 55
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      With vaccination, humanity has crossed the line of reason and it does not pass without a trace

                      Yes good drinks
        3. +2
          17 June 2021 10: 23
          Quote: Artyom Karagodin
          So, people, there is no need to be afraid, to wait for the weather from the sea or to demonstrate your indifference, go get vaccinated!

          Do not agitate! Otherwise, you want to start counter-propaganda. Vaccination is a personal and voluntary matter
          1. +4
            17 June 2021 10: 36
            I express my opinion, and I will say what I find necessary. Like you.
            1. +8
              17 June 2021 10: 43
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              I express my opinion, and I will say what I find necessary. Like you.

              Then get: yesterday was admitted with 90% lung disease vaccinated earlier with our brew
              1. +6
                17 June 2021 11: 18
                I'm not used to taking my word for such things. Somehow, with reference to the FSB colonel, I was proved by not stupid people at all that in the center of Stavropol, on the site of the former cinema, Kadyrov would build a mosque. Two years later, a musical fountain appeared there. After that, I realized that smoke happens without fire at all, and, moreover, it is quite strong and caustic.

                Second: in Stavropol, in 2010, there was a terrorist attack, there were victims. The next day there were rumors that the minibus had been blown up. When I said that now they might even weave something against the background of fear, one citizen began to tell with conviction that he had personally seen the skeleton of a GAZelle burnt after the explosion. Then it turned out that two minibuses collided slightly at the intersection of busy streets, there was a traffic jam and, as a result, a rumor was born. I was at that intersection and did not observe any traces of an explosion - not a crater in the asphalt, or something like that.

                Perhaps you said the truth, but there is no way to check what was said. So sorry. Moreover, this case (if it really takes place) needs to be analyzed in detail - what, why and how.
                1. -2
                  17 June 2021 11: 27
                  Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                  I'm not used to taking my word for such things.

                  Do not need. Trust your eyes - I can see it. I believe in my eyes
              2. +4
                18 June 2021 01: 46
                Quote: Silvestr
                Then get: yesterday was admitted with 90% lung disease vaccinated earlier with our brew

                By the way, it's not a fact that he was vaccinated with anything at all. In my environment, there are doctors who have received a certificate of vaccination by pull. One of them was seriously ill, but did not confess to the forgery.
              3. +2
                18 June 2021 21: 27
                Quote: Silvestr
                Then get: yesterday was admitted with 90% lung disease vaccinated earlier with our brew

                This is a serious statement. Proofs and data are desirable (place, your personal). After all, it turns out that the state is deceiving citizens cynically (at least from your words here). This is a job for the prosecutor's office and the investigation committee. But while this is your statement in this media, it does not smell very pleasant without an evidence base. Proof in the studio!
        4. +4
          17 June 2021 11: 01
          So far, I have only taken the first component

          I was vaccinated back in March. The first one went off with a bang, after the second - at night the temperature was 37.6 and broke like a flu. By the next evening it had passed.
      3. +5
        17 June 2021 09: 05
        Soviet people
        do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. How many billions were spent on the filming of anti-Soviet films? Like a movie about a war, so spitting into the past. And now you even call on the memory of the Soviet Union to maintain covid-hysteria.
        1. 0
          18 June 2021 21: 35
          Quote: Gardamir
          How many billions were spent on the filming of anti-Soviet films?

          Speaking of the communists, who are for the people. You won't argue that Elbow is from the Communist Party, will you? Video expands horizons.))
      4. -9
        17 June 2021 09: 50
        Quote: Civil
        Therefore, the government needs to remove all restrictions - let them die.

        So I would not agree. The infected will not die alone. He will take someone else with him. There are also economic aspects. Therefore, I think that it is necessary to treat. But at his expense. Cured, the property was put on sale in order to pay off the debt to the state. Himself - to the hostel .... A dozen examples are enough to teach a medium-sized city .... Both humanely and effectively.
        1. +6
          17 June 2021 10: 18
          [Quote] [They cured, the property was put on sale in order to pay off the debt to the state. Himself - in the hostel ../ quote] Someone even put a plus sign for you, but your statement is from the category of "you were not asked to give birth"
          Yours are no strangers to robbing people.
          1. -5
            17 June 2021 13: 41
            Quote: Gardamir
            but your statement is from the category "you were not asked to give birth"

            Did you give birth at someone's request? laughing Did you do the country a favor? Can you pay a premium for each intercourse? I think you simply do not see the sums in which the thoughtless existence of some fellow citizens pours out. I once ran into a "stump" in the intensive care unit a long time ago. His legs were gradually shortened several times so that they became shorter than "pride." And as he smoked 2-3 packs a day, he continued to smoke. And after being discharged home, he drank as well as drinks, without any hint of an attempt at treatment on an outpatient basis ... I think that it would be fair, along with the responsibility of the state for the health of the people, to each person to be responsible for himself. And if a country invests our common money in the treatment and prevention of a particular citizen, then a citizen must take a responsible approach to maintaining his health. And if a citizen has caused financial damage to society by his stupid behavior, then he must compensate for it. What do you disagree with?
            1. +3
              17 June 2021 14: 08
              Bonuses for intercourse are paid. Only not for every one, but successful. In other words, the benefit for the second, third child.
              As for the responsibility of citizens. If a person is not in power, then he is a citizen. And if a person is even the head of the village, then he owes nothing to anyone.
            2. 0
              17 June 2021 17: 48
              Quote: Hagen
              Did you give birth at someone's request? Did you do the country a favor?

              And when the country introduced the childlessness tax at whose request?
              The childlessness tax existed in the USSR as a "Tax on bachelors, single and small-family citizens" since November 1941 on the basis of the Decrees of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of November 21, 1941 "On the tax on bachelors, single and childless citizens of the USSR" and of July 8 1944 (Section IV "On the tax on bachelors, single and small-family citizens of the USSR") with subsequent additions and changes.
              Canceled on January 1, 1992 with the collapse of the USSR.
              1. 0
                17 June 2021 20: 00
                Quote: Overlock
                Childlessness tax existed in the USSR

                I paid such a "tax" ... Why did you decide to remember it? When it was introduced, there were different people, different times and tasks.
                1. +2
                  17 June 2021 20: 26
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Why did you decide to remember him?

                  To the fact that the state does not give a damn about the process of conception and birth, but puts a paw on the child
                  1. -2
                    17 June 2021 22: 07
                    Quote: Overlock
                    To the fact that the state does not care about the process of conception and birth

                    Would you like conception to take place under the leadership of the President? laughing Regarding birth, look at the infant mortality rates. Ask how children are nursed with 500 grams.
                    Quote: Overlock
                    but puts a paw on the child

                    But without this it is impossible in any way. Today's parents will ruin their children without supervision. And I would say that the state has little control over the process of family education of children.
                    1. 0
                      18 June 2021 23: 41
                      Quote: Hagen
                      But without this it is impossible in any way. Today's parents will ruin their children without supervision. And I would say that the state has little control over the process of family education of children.

                      Do you work out of custody? As I can see from the comments of some juvenile trafficking in children, on foster families, it is a mile away. Better let the state take care of the welfare of its citizens. We will take care of the upbringing of our children. There is no need for the state to extend its pseudopodia to the family. Better to make normal children, and not 200 rubles. per month.
                      1. +1
                        19 June 2021 08: 02
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Do you work out of custody?

                        On duty, I had to be a member of the "commission on n / l affairs ..." and have a subordinate unit for n / l affairs. I've seen enough of such "we will take care of ourselves." I am not a supporter of the Scandinavian methods of working in this direction, but take my word for it, we have many such "parents" who themselves need to be raised by public whipping or something like that. So do not get excited about this "we ourselves ...". Someone can, and someone cannot live without a "driver with an incentive".
                      2. 0
                        19 June 2021 08: 56
                        Quote: Hagen
                        On duty, I had to be a member of the "commission on n / a affairs ...

                        In my village, opposite neighbors, I have a large family with 9 children. For five, the mother is deprived of parental rights, four are preschoolers, living in a family. The eldest daughter and her husband beat up the mother's last roommate (father of the last three children), broke his arms and legs. They drink every day, the same one lives with them, a single mother with 3 children. Not a good comparison, of course, but a dog's wedding is very reminiscent of all these daily booze, with all that it implies. How does the state react to this? I answer - no way, they took the children to the hospital, after 3 days they returned and that's it. That's the whole reaction, but because such children are not needed in foster families. Who needs such children? Another family is the same, only the houses are thumping, slowly. Nobody takes any measures, because nobody needs such downtrodden, scared, undeveloped children.
                        I also have a large family, all my children of school age, due to the fact that I am categorically not satisfied with the quality of school education, study in the family form of education. For two years I have been at war with the Department of Education because of my unwillingness to pass the annual midterm assessments. It is extremely inconvenient for me to take them, since my children do not study according to the Federal State Educational Standard, and according to the law I am not obliged. However, they constantly send some commissions to me, they summoned me to the commission on n / l affairs. Commission. By the way, they did not finish it, taking into account my arguments, they postponed, two months ago, still no letters and calls from there. Why does the state creep into my family, poison my life, take my time, and take no action against these drunks? Why does it act so selectively? I cannot imagine anything but a corruption component.
                      3. 0
                        19 June 2021 09: 34
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        In my village, neighbors opposite, a large family, 9 children

                        Roughly the same thing happened in my practice. I will say from memory that these are usually very difficult cases in and of themselves, and it is even more difficult to prove to the court the necessity of taking radical measures. Sometimes in the materials of the case, only the photographic tables from the scene of the incident were put into 20-30 sheets in order to convey all the "delights" of everyday life of the "subject" of the case. This is a very serious problem that needs timely "treatment". Unfortunately, government agencies begin to turn on when the antisocial group has already formed. Therefore, I believe that the state should develop and implement a family patronage program no later than the 1st grade of the first children. Those. it is necessary to consider the institution of "class teachers" not as an additional burden for 5 rubles, but as a normal full-fledged rate with the expansion of its functions of monitoring students, and through them and their families, giving them appropriate powers.
                        Here, I think, the state is not finalizing it. An indicator of this is all kinds of multilateral conflicts, ending, among other things, with shooting in educational institutions.
                        I will not discuss your example of home schooling, because the discussion requires immersion in all the nuances of your example, and this is impossible. Let me just say that people, including "educated", often think in stereotypes, while home education is not something typical in our country. Today, family education is only about 0,06% of children. Therefore, they are suspicious of you. In addition, it must be borne in mind that if you do not reach the level of the educational standard requirements in the process of learning not according to the "Federal State Educational Standard", then the child will, to put it mildly, very difficult to pass the remaining mandatory OGE and USE. I know some examples of "family education". All of them were associated with medical indications. And I know how difficult it was for them to get into universities, not everyone managed to get the required minimum. But, I will say it again, I am not discussing your example.
                      4. -1
                        19 June 2021 11: 14
                        Quote: Hagen
                        In addition, it must be borne in mind that if in the process of learning not according to the "Federal State Educational Standard" you will not leave your children at the level of the requirements of the educational standard ...

                        I understand what you are trying to say, but the only question here is whether the parents have enough free time. The educational standard of the FSES program is extremely low compared to the Soviet school curriculum. For the sake of interest, you can compare the 4 classes of Pchelko-Polyak arithmetic (you can download it on the Stalin Primer) with the current mathematics, in the Russian language the same story. We teach basic subjects according to Soviet textbooks, they are of much better quality. And the OGE - the Unified State Exam is a separate story, weakly correlating with fundamental basic knowledge and the ability to study independently. There are special methods of preparation for the OGE-USE.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Unfortunately, government agencies begin to turn on when the antisocial group has already formed. Therefore, I believe that the state should develop and implement a family patronage program no later than the 1st grade of the first children.

                        Strongly against such an approach, at least under the current state system! The corruption component is too strong. I personally know a case when a child was given to a foster family even before the trial, and it was a relative of the judge in charge of the case. All these problems are clearly visible in children. kindergarten and elementary school, here you can see all these problems. However, you can probably imagine what is happening there today, at least in the provinces. Mass unemployment also does not create a favorable climate in the family. Under the existing system, this problem cannot be solved. Any good undertakings will turn into a way of enriching certain officials, unfortunately. About ten years ago, a healthy child cost about 90 thousand rubles for adoption (into custody).
                      5. 0
                        19 June 2021 11: 22
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Those. it is necessary to consider the institution of "class teachers" not as an additional burden for 5 rubles, but as a normal full-fledged rate with the expansion of its functions of monitoring students, and through them and their families, giving them appropriate powers.

                        Most school teachers today cannot be trusted to take exams, and you say give them the authority to climb into the family. You are not familiar with such a common expression today: "Your child does not have time in the subject, I recommend that you contact a tutor," and a tutor, a friend, answers her in the same way. How is it when the teacher is allowed to say: "I gave out the material, but whether your child perceived it or not, these are your problems." In no case should such functions be entrusted to the school today.
        2. +2
          17 June 2021 21: 29
          Quote: Hagen
          Therefore, I think that it is necessary to treat. But at his expense.
          Uncle, the bill for what? All my treatment consisted in the fact that the doctor came and took from me a subscription for self-isolation. And that's all. Yes, two weeks later they took another test. And remember: we do not get treatment for free, every month a part of our salary is taken away for possible treatment.
          1. -1
            17 June 2021 22: 17
            Quote: bk0010
            And remember: we do not receive treatment for free, every month a part of our salary is taken away for possible treatment.

            How much did you personally pay? Remember: the employer pays for you within the framework of medical care in the amount of compulsory medical insurance from his own funds + the state budget. If you want to prove the opposite - present a document confirming the deduction of funds from the accrued amounts.
            1. +1
              18 June 2021 07: 53
              Quote: Hagen
              Remember: the employer pays for you within the framework of medical care in the amount of compulsory medical insurance from his own funds + the state budget.
              Remember: I pay for the compulsory medical insurance, the employer simply transfers my money. I have a white salary.
              Quote: Hagen
              If you want to prove the opposite - present a document confirming the deduction of funds from the accrued amounts.
              Or maybe you still need the key to the apartment where the money is?
              1. -1
                18 June 2021 09: 03
                Quote: bk0010
                Remember: I pay for the compulsory medical insurance

                To start a phrase with the word "Remember", you have to be an expert and know what you want to assert. But you are not special. I don't need your keys. You just tell me where on your payroll it is written about the deduction to the CHI? For ease of mastering the topic, take a look at the Tax Code of the Russian Federation, 326-FZ “On compulsory health insurance in the Russian Federation”. Everything is written there.
                1. 0
                  18 June 2021 21: 02
                  Are you aware of the existence of white, gray and black salaries? If you were right, then gray and black salaries would not exist. Contributions to pensions and medicine are paid from the employee's money, although they do not pass through his hands.
                  1. +2
                    19 June 2021 07: 53
                    Quote: bk0010
                    Contributions to pensions and medicine are paid from the employee's money, although they do not pass through his hands.

                    This is just your opinion, not based on knowledge of the documents. Even if supported by a group of equally illiterate like-minded people.
                    Quote: bk0010
                    Are you aware of the existence of white, gray and black salaries?

                    I know, I came across .... And what does this prove? Yes, only one thing - the entrepreneur needs a profit from the enterprise, and for the sake of it he will sometimes go beyond the framework of the law. You, of course, can argue that with a gray scheme, the employee is paid more. Yes, in this case they can pay more. But not because the entrepreneur decided to do good to the employee, but simply so that he could choose the power of the best quality in the local labor market. At the same time, he floats that the employee loses in pension savings.
                    However, your opinion is of no use. You will still be hired if you are satisfied with the number in the "accrued" column. And there is no place for the amounts of the employer's contributions to different funds. And when the government changes the rates of these contributions, you will not even know, because this is not your concern.
                    1. 0
                      19 June 2021 10: 31
                      Quote: Hagen
                      I know, I came across .... And what does this prove?
                      This proves that social contributions are paid from employees' salaries. Often they offer the choice "this is such a white salary or a large, but gray".
                      1. +1
                        19 June 2021 11: 50
                        Quote: bk0010
                        This proves that social contributions are paid from employees' salaries.

                        Gray salary, depending on the scale, often becomes a criminal offense, and always - a violation of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation. Any entrepreneur who offers a gray scheme runs the risk of running into a serious fine, or even a term. Do you seriously think that everything saved on the gray scheme will be paid to the employee? When such a scheme is proposed as an alternative to the "white" one, it is nothing more than taking the employee as accomplices in the crime and the possible hope that the employee will not go with a complaint to the prosecutor's office or labor inspectorate. You should first read the definition of what a salary is and what it consists of. And then already to argue that you are paying from it. And yet ... a fool does not understand that he is a fool. because he is a fool. In general, I do not care how you assess your participation in the MHIF. If you want to reason correctly, read the documents. They are freely available. This is the path to self-development. Sorry for the harshness. I have nothing personal against you .... It's just that sometimes it upsets the unwillingness to delve into the topic of reasoning.
                      2. 0
                        19 June 2021 12: 00
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Do you seriously think that everything saved on the gray scheme will be paid to the employee?
                        Yes.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        If you want to reason correctly, read the documents.
                        Nothing of the kind: these documents are deliberately designed to confuse the current situation. If people paid all taxes themselves at the end of the month, and not part of the employer, part of the shops (VAT, excise taxes and duties), then a revolution would have taken place long ago. And so you can rub suckers about the lowest 13% tax.
                      3. +2
                        19 June 2021 12: 10
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Nothing of the kind: these documents are deliberately designed to confuse the current situation.

                        The level of your reasoning is simply amazing. On the other hand, in an environment like you, it is easier to compete with those who make even the slightest effort in self-improvement. Everyone cannot be successful, someone has to be in the peloton. hi
                      4. -1
                        19 June 2021 12: 12
                        Quote: Hagen
                        on the other hand, in an environment like you it is easier to compete with those who make even the slightest effort in self-improvement.
                        I also recommend making an effort to resist attempts at fooling. It can be useful.
                      5. +1
                        19 June 2021 12: 30
                        Quote: bk0010
                        I also recommend making an effort to resist attempts at fooling.

                        I'm assuming you're not the finance minister. This means that you cannot influence the existing tax system. I, too. I think more about how I can live in the existing conditions. And for this you need to understand your legal field and the scope of your capabilities. In the legal space, there is no place for "free thoughts on the topic", there are clear rules, terms, descriptions of their interactions (as a rule) and sanctions for violations. Therefore, it is easier to resist attempts at fooling on the basis of knowledge of legitimate documents, rather than their free interpretations. This is my opinion. You can do as you please ...
                      6. 0
                        19 June 2021 12: 34
                        Quote: Hagen
                        In the legal space there is no place for "free thoughts on the topic", there are clear rules, terms, descriptions of their interactions (as a rule) and sanctions for violations
                        Seriously? Here are straightforward, non-contradictory? Nothing left to the mercy of "deep inner conviction"? And they are not slaughtered when they interfere with those in power and their "friends"?
                      7. 0
                        19 June 2021 12: 56
                        Quote: bk0010
                        And they are not slaughtered when they interfere with those in power and their "friends"?

                        Yes, sometimes they do it ... Then whoever was "not very lucky" slurp the snot of remorse and learn to sew mittens with panties. And you tell me, how did the thought of what exactly you pay to the MHIF make your life easier? I understand that you are not an employer. And accordingly, hammering into the law will come out much more expensive for you than for those who are able to put n-million in bail ... In my position, it is more profitable to know the law and observe it ... wink
                      8. -1
                        19 June 2021 12: 59
                        Quote: Hagen
                        And you tell me, how did the thought of what exactly you pay to the MHIF make your life easier?
                        It helps to give a shortcut to those who say: "The state treats you bastards for free, and you are still unhappy, you are wandering around."
                      9. 0
                        19 June 2021 14: 37
                        Quote: bk0010
                        It helps to give a shortcut to those who say: "The state treats you bastards for free, and you are still unhappy, you are wandering around."

                        Many were shortened? wink Rather, they expressed their "fairies", and dispersed to their trenches ... But what's the point?
                      10. 0
                        19 June 2021 15: 27
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Many were shortened? wink Rather, they expressed their "fairies", and dispersed to their trenches ... And what's the point?
                        That's enough for me
      5. +10
        17 June 2021 10: 06
        Quote: Civil
        The weak character of Russians is even manifested in this - they are afraid of an injection, they are waiting for others to be grafted for herd immunity. Hataskraynism in action, that is, in inaction

        I am not afraid of the injection, but I am not a guinea pig or a mouse. Let them carry out all the tests, as it should be, then there will be some subject for conversation. As far as I know, the WHO has not yet recognized a single vaccine.
        1. +2
          17 June 2021 10: 28
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          As far as I know, the WHO, and that, has not yet recognized a single vaccine.

          Recognized - Modern, Pfizer / BioNTech, AstraZeneca, CoronaVac.
          1. +2
            17 June 2021 10: 37
            Quote: Silvestr
            Recognized - Modern, Pfizer / BioNTech, AstraZeneca, CoronaVac.

            And here the damned West does not recognize our best vaccine in the world.)))))
            1. +6
              17 June 2021 10: 42
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              And here the damned West does not recognize our best vaccine in the world.)))))

              they just have problems with vaccines - 5 thousand deaths in the States alone. But here we have everything!
              1. +3
                17 June 2021 11: 43
                Quote: Silvestr
                they just have problems with vaccines - 5 thousand deaths in the States alone. But here we have everything!

                Who knows, maybe this is because they "incorrectly" collect medical statistics, and their analogue of Rosstat works much worse.))) As far as I know (I am far from medicine), the domestic vaccine has not been tested properly. The possibility of the appearance of autoimmune diseases due to vaccination has not been studied, as I understand some who question the very principled possibility of vaccination against this disease.
      6. +1
        17 June 2021 13: 58
        Quote: Civil
        The weak character of Russians is even manifested in this - they are afraid of an injection, they are waiting for others to be grafted for herd immunity. Hataskraynism in action, that is, in inaction

        I can imagine how the Israeli members of the forum, who finished vaccination in May, are laughing loudly.
        Well it is necessary to reach the state of DB, so that, like crowded sheep at the new gates, to reason with the thoughts of the 90s commercials like "Everything is fine. But I don’t understand where they are putting my shoes on?" recourse
        The essence of such narrow-minded people resembles zombies, reaching for their radical goal through the complete denial of common sense. "You die today, and I may be tomorrow."
        My classmates from Ukraine all the way go to Russia for vaccination, realizing that only here you can safely get vaccinated.
        Is it really necessary to introduce protective measures in order to make Covid dissidents think that they are not the only ones who live in this world, and that there are others next to them who do not want to catch this infection?
        fellow
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    3. +2
      17 June 2021 09: 24
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Covid dolboy.

      And besides the transition to personality, do you have arguments against the author's thesis?
      1. +2
        17 June 2021 09: 33
        Quote: Hagen
        And besides the transition to personality, do you have arguments against the author's thesis?

        Dissident covid equals dolboy covid. The author is neither one nor the other, is that clear?
    4. +2
      17 June 2021 10: 05
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Covid dolboy.

      So it seems that our Sputnik vaccine assumes only a milder course of the disease, and therefore a vaccinated person can infect. Or am I wrong?
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 21: 57
        So it seems that our Sputnik vaccine assumes only a milder course of the disease, and therefore a vaccinated person can infect. Or am I wrong?

        It looks like a virus to the vaccinated organism, but not a virus. It cannot multiply, but antibodies are formed.
    5. +1
      17 June 2021 16: 05
      Brains are washed by social networks. If you get vaccinated, you will die. So nobody injects. Even for free. Even if you pay. And there are plenty of them.
    6. +1
      18 June 2021 17: 06
      I can't even imagine what kind of dolt-lizard you need to be in order to inject yourself into the body or into the body of your child with an untested chemical substance with a vague origin
    7. +1
      18 June 2021 21: 21
      I am for natural immunity .. There are antibodies, why vaccination?
      And so they inject indiscriminately and this all reduces the natural immunity.
      And then a new epidemic and already for a lot of money they will inject .. This is the business of pharmaceutical companies .. worldwide!
      Again, everything about the new rushed?
  2. +11
    17 June 2021 03: 36
    You can, after all, win an apartment and a car in Moscow after the injection! Compare this to the possibilities of one of the millions of poor families somewhere in the vicinity of Mumbai or Delhi.

    And why does the author not compare the capabilities of Moscow with the capabilities of tens and hundreds of thousands of poor families from the Moscow Ring Road?
    Or "in parrots much longer"?

    We do not understand or do not want to understand that everyone who is not vaccinated is an element of the transmission of the virus to another. Even if not sick.

    Nobody promises the impossibility of infecting others after vaccination. Actually, therefore, there are recommendations (and where are the requirements) for wearing masks and social distancing, regardless of vaccination.
    1. +7
      17 June 2021 06: 25
      Quote: SergT9
      Nobody promises the impossibility of infecting others after vaccination.

      we have already vaccinated over 60% of the population. the number of new patients is practically one. Almost all restrictions have already been removed. Masks have been canceled since yesterday. In general, life is returning to normal. only with trips abroad is crap. There is practically nowhere to fly. everywhere there are quarantines to one degree or another.
      1. +21
        17 June 2021 06: 54
        Quote: atalef
        the number of new patients is practically one.

        What do they think? In our country, for example, doctors do not write statistics, but officials draw. There are plenty of examples. First they twisted it, then they hid it.
        Have you ever thought that when analyzing the structure of official mortality, the number of deaths from other diseases decreased?
        Further on the vaccine - it does not guarantee against the disease, but only softens the course and complications. This is what the vaccine makers themselves say.
        And the last thing - I don’t know about you, but our attitude of the state to the people is absolutely disregarding in all spheres. Medicine, education, etc.
        And against the background of this, it is too strange that it was in the matter of vaccination that the state decided too obsessively to show concern.
        PS Hello Levoslavny! hi
        1. +13
          17 June 2021 07: 33
          Have you ever thought that when analyzing the structure of official mortality, the number of deaths from other diseases decreased?


          This is exactly where the seasonal flu suddenly disappeared, another pneumonia and not a divorce for an hour, you wonder if it is too bloated with covid to earn extra money, in 1,5 billion China there are practically zero rates of infection, despite the fact that the proportion of vaccinated people is also somewhere at the same level.
        2. +10
          17 June 2021 09: 02
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And the last thing - I don’t know about you, but our attitude of the state to the people is absolutely disregarding in all spheres. Medicine, education, etc.
          And against the background of this, it is too strange that it was in the matter of vaccination that the state decided too obsessively to show concern.

          I completely agree that the authorities want from the people who have been deceived so many times? In Russia, it is already at the subconscious level that believing the first persons of the state is more expensive for oneself. And if we add here the absence of any control over the quality of manufactured medicines, then it becomes completely depressing.
        3. -1
          17 June 2021 14: 27
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          What do they think? In our country, for example, doctors do not write statistics, but officials draw. There are plenty of examples. First they twisted it, then they hid it.

          in count. lie then what?
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Have you ever thought that when analyzing the structure of official mortality, the number of deaths from other diseases decreased?

          Yes maybe . maybe not --- but what does it matter now?
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Further on the vaccine - it does not guarantee against the disease, but only softens the course and complications. This is what the vaccine makers themselves say.

          I do not know. After vaccination, almost a few people get sick. there are, of course, sick vaccinated - but again I repeat - u = x units

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And the last thing - I don't know about you, but our attitude of the state to the people is absolutely disregarding in all spheres.

          here, many believe the same, including me - but they were only allowed to work without vaccination with a test every 3 days (if they did not want to be vaccinated), and now they are not allowed to work without vaccination at all.
          I knew it would come to this and was one of the first to be vaccinated.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          that it was on the issue of vaccination that the state too obsessively decided to show concern.

          well, I don't think so. which is stronger than ours.
          hello to you too. god-bearer.
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 22: 18
            Quote: atalef
            Yes maybe . maybe not --- but what does it matter now?

            San, you have not forgotten how to think by chance? wink
            Quote: atalef
            now they are not allowed in without vaccination at all.

            Dystopia rules! Orwell smokes nervously on the sidelines.
            1. +1
              18 June 2021 06: 33
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              San, you haven't forgotten how to think by chance

              Understand, there is an old saying - when rape is inevitable, relax and try to have fun.
              You can believe it or not in the fall, but the mechanisms are set in motion such that, apart from personal inconveniences, your protest will not change anything.
              I don’t believe, I know that it is, but somehow I don’t see much difference from severe flu, but .... I have not seen smallpox and tuberculosis, and even more so gas gangrene - but nevertheless, I have taken root from all this.
              In general, I don't understand a lot of things, because all this goes against common sense, but everything that I said at the beginning has come true. I don’t know about you, but our life becomes very difficult without vaccination.
              And the fact is that the number of cases after mass vaccination has decreased by orders of magnitude - this is the same act, we can argue about the danger of covid, but it is hardly worth arguing about the effectiveness of vaccination, I think so

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Dystopia rules! Orwell smokes nervously on the sidelines.

              Is it only in vaccinations?
              Only in this does the repressive apparatus of the state manifest itself?
              1. +1
                18 June 2021 07: 07
                Quote: atalef
                And the fact is that the number of cases after mass vaccination has decreased

                I agree with many things, but here are the doubts. The decrease in the number of cases can also be explained by the natural decline of the disease, because the influenza virus also appears, reaches a peak, then there is a decline.
                Quote: atalef
                Is it only in vaccinations?

                Of course not. There is a systematic tightening of the nuts, mostly imperceptible. But at some points this is clearly visible.
                1. +2
                  18 June 2021 07: 32
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  The decrease in the number of cases can be explained by the natural decline of the disease.

                  as well as the action of the vaccine. Ie, you understand - not everything is so simple.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  because the flu virus also appears, reaches a peak, then there is a decline.

                  the covid did not have a recession, there were waves and, as a rule, on an increasing
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  There is a systematic tightening of the nuts, mostly imperceptible. But at some points this is clearly visible.

                  with that I agree with you. Ideal for slave owners.
      2. -3
        17 June 2021 07: 01
        Our population has canceled the very wearing of masks, the ban on attending mass events, social distance. Now I will look at such an adept. He flew off to bury a friend who was burned out by covid in 4 days. From 20% to 80% of lung damage. Now they will come, but he definitely died from covid? Thunder will not break out, the man will cross himself.
        1. +6
          17 June 2021 07: 22
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Our population has canceled the very wearing of masks, the ban on attending mass events, social distance

          Maybe it's enough to drive bullshit?
          1. -4
            17 June 2021 07: 58
            I have a lot of fun, concert concerts. But for some reason, with the appearance of the third wave, there is no desire to attend them. Everyone decides for himself. And you just look negative, look at Biden and that patience also ran out.
            1. +8
              17 June 2021 08: 08
              Quote: tralflot1832
              Everyone decides for himself.

              Then why restrictions? And why do you accuse the people of not being conscious when the authorities are holding mass events?
              1. -4
                17 June 2021 08: 32
                No one drove them there, there was no coercion. If I have mass events at the facility, then a "red zone" is introduced. We do not co-operate with the participants. At the beginning of June, we held an international tournament and everyone is safe. A responsible approach and that's it. And so you can see, the people relaxed.
              2. +3
                17 June 2021 09: 15
                Themselves vaccinated or ill?
        2. +9
          17 June 2021 09: 05
          A lot of people have had pneumonia of unknown origin ...
          And including me.
          And the tests for COVID are negative ...
          And then from somewhere antibodies in the blood ...
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 22: 20
            Yes, and I have a bunch of friends with the same diagnosis.
        3. +18
          17 June 2021 09: 19
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Now they will fly in, but it is as if he died of covid? The thunder will not break out, the man will cross himself.

          Covid is not even included in the top three causes of death in Russia. It is lazy to dig numbers, but most likely it does not fall into the top five. The leader is cardiovascular. ; 46-47% of deaths. About 1.5 million since January last year. Against this background, 120 thousand from covid is an annoying trifle. Nerves, stress very much even stimulate those very heart sores. No desire to tackle the main cause of deaths for Russians? Well, to put a thought against the wall, for example? For by its laws, it has worn out the Russians' nerves so much, and increased mortality, that the covid, against the background of this activity, is a minor nuisance. Or start hanging rude bosses on lanterns, so as not to provoke those same cardiovascular ones, from subordinates? Chu? No such desire? Well, yes, yes, you can fight tada with covid, or with hunger in Africa, or save trees from beavers. Yes
          1. +5
            17 June 2021 12: 14
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Or start hanging rude bosses on the lanterns, so as not to provoke those same

            Today came 2 aunts, started yelling from the doorway "Yes, you are all snickering creatures !!!!! Yes, yours ....................... !!!!! !
            Yes, we are you .., ........................... !!!!
            Yes, we will write a complaint against you ............. !!!!
            You ................. !!!!! Yes, in all poses we will ....... "......
            In general, I listened to their hysterics for 14 minutes - so they carried them ...
            As a result, citizens went to a completely different institution at a completely different address, absolutely not according to our profile. They had never been there before, but decided that it was necessary to yell for sure ...
            To my question, “Do you want to say sorry?” I heard a proud “No !!” ...

            Why can't I take them by the ears and take them out into the corridor? Why should I listen to their verbal diarrhea addressed to me - without the slightest guilt? What and before whom have I been guilty?
          2. 0
            20 June 2021 10: 29
            Or maybe only 120 thousand because measures are being taken?
      3. +1
        18 June 2021 21: 39
        Quote: atalef
        we have already vaccinated over 60% of the population. the number of new patients is practically one. Almost all restrictions have already been removed. Masks have been canceled since yesterday. In general, life is returning to normal. only with trips abroad is crap. There is practically nowhere to fly. everywhere there are quarantines to one degree or another.

        The likes of Sylvester disagree with you.)))
    2. +16
      17 June 2021 06: 25
      The restrictions introduced in the capital and several regions are associated not so much with an increase in the number of coronavirus cases as with an attempt to motivate Russians to get vaccinated, a source close to the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation told URA.RU. Persuasion did not work on people, so the first governors, on the recommendation of Moscow, have already taken tough measures, the source explains. According to him, there will be more of them soon.
      1. +3
        17 June 2021 08: 29
        Quote: Sandro1977
        The restrictions introduced in the capital and several regions are associated not so much with an increase in the number of coronavirus cases as with an attempt to motivate Russians to get vaccinated, a source close to the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation told URA.RU. Persuasion did not work on people, so the first governors, on the recommendation of Moscow, have already taken tough measures, the source explains. According to him, there will be more of them soon.

        For people capable of analysis and critical thinking, this has long been clear even without a source from the Ministry of Health. As one famous character said: "It's obvious!"
      2. +5
        17 June 2021 09: 07
        Persuasion did not work on people, so the first governors, on the recommendation of Moscow, have already taken tough measures, the source explains. According to him, there will be more of them soon.

        So teachers, doctors, military, etc. at the legislative level will force!
        1. +3
          17 June 2021 10: 57
          Ps I'll tell you a secret that all the regions have been in disarray for a month now - by September to vaccinate 60% of the population. But nobody knows how to carry out this disorder. Many people are really sure that they have been ill, but the presence of antibodies can only be found out at their own expense - such an analysis is not done before vaccination, therefore, no one is in a hurry to get a double dose of "vitamins". And I understand people. There is only one way out - to start testing people for the presence of antibodies. However, this is expensive. The cost is almost comparable to the vaccine itself, the cost of which is said to be 900 rubles, while the analysis for antibodies is about 1000-1200 rubles. At the same time, it is necessary to understand that the state has already invested in the manufacture of the vaccine and no one is going to spend on "accompanying" expenses.

          As for the so-called "third wave", it is not the third, it just began to show the overall picture a little more truthfully. Do not forget that elections are just around the corner, and the current ruling party has popularity at the level of the plinth. In such a situation, the only way to keep its existing positions is to conduct an "online" vote, the validity of which cannot be verified. In general, people both got sick and continue to get sick. The persistence of a high mortality rate is due to the fact that therapists, following the orders that are still in force, delay the examination to the last, as a result, people are admitted to the hospital in a rather serious condition. For example, it will be very difficult to test for covid in a person who is under 65 years of age, who does not have chronic diseases, and there is no verified data on his contact with a previously registered patient. At the same time, one should not be guided by the supposedly impressive numbers of those who are tested per day. after in November of that year, contacts with a sick person began to be tested for the presence of the virus only if they showed the appropriate symptoms (because they gave the main percentage of new cases of the disease), now they are examining mainly the same categories of the population: from the already mentioned persons over 65 years old, cancer patients and patients with chronic diseases (which is correct and logical), to officials of local regional administrations (how can we do without them, right?) and a number of other structures. At the same time, the latter is aimed, among other things, at maintaining the necessary number of tests per 100 thousand of the population.

          If we talk about the vaccine itself, then doctors advise the Novosibirsk EpiVacCorona: it is not so hastily released, has fewer requirements for storage and transportation, and fewer side effects. Both are the result of the absence of a virus in it as such (both corona and adeno). Considering that the Sputnik will most likely not be able to get vaccinated a second time, it makes sense to trust the Novosibirsk specialists. At the same time, the fact that the Vector is still a paramilitary facility speaks in favor of this vaccine, and although there are issues of commerce there (as elsewhere in modern Russia), they are still far from being in the first positions - otherwise if the first violin would be played by EpiVacCorona, which, apart from Russia, is supplied only to Venezuela, and not Sputnik, replicated wherever possible.
          1. 0
            17 June 2021 11: 18
            Quote: Dante
            then doctors advise the Novosibirsk EpiVacCorona:


            Thereafter?
            1. +1
              17 June 2021 11: 38
              Sylvester, I greet you!
              9 months is a very solid period! I know what I'm talking about - I myself work in a field close to medicine and regularly interact with doctors, incl. with epidemiologists. Even those who have been seriously ill by this time, as a rule, no longer have antibodies, i.e. what the CEO says and how it was presented by JOURNALISTS are two completely different things! In fact, this is a very good indicator, especially for a vaccine in which there is no virus as such (only its fragments). In any case, EpiVak at least will not kill you - it is banal, apart from individual intolerance to the components, there is nothing to threaten. But many categories are denied vaccination with Sputnik.
            2. -2
              17 June 2021 14: 32
              Quote: Silvestr
              Thereafter?

              strange. we say the opposite. At first they spoke. that the vaccine is valid for half a year, now, after the checks, it was extended for a year - because the antibodies remain. maybe we just have a different vaccine?
              1. +1
                18 June 2021 21: 43
                Quote: atalef
                strange. we say the opposite. At first they spoke. that the vaccine is valid for half a year, now, after the checks, it was extended for a year - because the antibodies remain. maybe we just have a different vaccine?

                For the likes of Sylvester, everything is always wrong. The country is bad, everyone lies. The pandemic is invented. Now they will probably say that the vaccine is not the same system.)) And they are all in the "red zone", and they are healthy thanks to the "holy spirit". But they are in no hurry to leave the country.)))
          2. Aag
            +1
            18 June 2021 20: 47
            "... Ps I'll tell you a secret that for a month now all regions have received a disorder - by September to vaccinate 60% of the population. But no one knows how to carry out this disorder. ..."
            It seems that they know: for the second time the chief accountant rushes about the divisions of the company (!), The first time about four months ago, ingratiatingly, yesterday stubbornly, - with passports! ... What is characteristic, - appeals are addressed only to officially employed pensioners of the Moscow Region working in the dark, because they have no desire to be deceived by the state three times, well, or by the people representing it ...) The question arises, what does the accounting department care about the health of employees? source proceeds that they are beginning to threaten with difficulties with tax reporting ... And so on several enterprises. Mishustin? feel
  3. +6
    17 June 2021 03: 41
    We do not understand or do not want to understand that everyone who is not vaccinated is an element of the transmission of the virus to another. Even if not sick.

    Nobody promises the impossibility of infecting others after vaccination. Actually, therefore, there are recommendations (and where are the requirements) for wearing masks and social distancing, regardless of vaccination.
    1. -2
      17 June 2021 09: 58
      Quote: SergT9

      Nobody promises the impossibility of infecting others after vaccination.

      Israel vaccinated more than 60% of the population, the result: there are only a few cases again, the people returned to NORMAL ordinary life no masks and restrictions.

      Ditto in San Marino, fully vaccinated by Sputnik
      1. -1
        28 June 2021 07: 23
        Breathe and that's enough
        In Israel, on Friday, mandatory wearing of masks was reintroduced indoors due to an increase in the daily rate of cases of the coronavirus COVID-19. This is reported by The Times of Israel with reference to the country's Ministry of Health.

        https://www.interfax.ru/world/773878
  4. +18
    17 June 2021 04: 06
    I was vaccinated (the children insisted), I rarely go out of the house (and where should I go, a pharmacy and a store) very much, I do not pose any danger to society. without masks .. it tired all the people ..
    1. +7
      17 June 2021 04: 14
      I watched football in Hungary - a full stadium, all without masks .. It tired all the people ..

      No, everything is simpler - in Hungary, most of the population has already been vaccinated.
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    2. +2
      17 June 2021 06: 07
      Sergeant! Tired of all the people.. I wonder if people are not tired of living? Everyone in my family has taken root. My wife and I, elderly people, did not have any consequences immediately after vaccination. In children aged 35 - 40 years, the temperature increased within 1 day (7,6 - 38). But my wife's friends all got sick. Now they are being treated for the consequences. I would equate all the people who discourage vaccination at best with the kind of fools who believe everything they said. It is characteristic that among those who have personally recovered from the refusal to vaccinate, I don’t know, although, I’m lying, there is one stubborn woman who spent two weeks with a temperature of forty, but nevertheless continues to believe that hospitals are filled with vaccinated. And from vaccinations, they say, they die. Come on. I give them an example. Someone had breakfast, and by lunchtime he had a heart attack. But this does not mean that the heart attack occurred from the fact that the person had breakfast.
      1. +3
        17 June 2021 09: 12
        I would dissuade all people
        Yes, no one is dissuading you, even shoot yourself. When are you agitating. at least turn on your brains. Why should a patient get vaccinated? Peskov and I had been ill, he told the whole country. that will not be vaccinated. And I'm not Peskov, they will drag me forcibly.
        1. +1
          17 June 2021 10: 25
          In our office, before vaccination, everyone was tested for antibodies who have antibodies, Sputnik 5 is not vaccinated. They say they are free, 1200 employees. Sochi.
      2. +4
        17 June 2021 09: 50
        My daughter and her husband brought covid from Sochi. My wife and I were vaccinated and did not get infected, but her mother-in-law got infected.
      3. +1
        17 June 2021 12: 04
        Mikh-korsakov! One of the most sane comments! I also got sick in November, a very hard week - "storm", temperature 39, body aches, etc. Now the rate of antibodies is high, but as soon as they will not necessarily be grafted. I really don't want to lie in the covid center again and look out the window as if the patients are being taken out of the "red zone" in bags. And I still cannot overcome the consequences, although I go to the pool and take 12 thousand steps a day.
        I wish you all good health!
    3. +9
      17 June 2021 07: 45
      Quote: SERGE ant
      Tired of all the people ..
      Many are tired of being afraid, so they got vaccinated. The whole question will help or not, especially since there are several vaccines.
  5. +41
    17 June 2021 04: 16
    Not wanting to be vaccinated is a direct indicator of the "trust" of the population of our country to our "leaders". For years, all the actions of the leadership were aimed solely at enriching a narrow circle of the “elite”, they don’t give a damn about everyone else, everyone sees and understands, the pension reform alone is worth something. And then suddenly there is such concern for the common people, why would it be? Therefore, the reluctance to get vaccinated is not from selfishness, but from the full confidence that vaccination is another "wiring" of our authorities aimed at enriching "their own", well, about the same as the sale of mandatory masks, brings some -to one of the leadership.
    So there are serious reasons not to trust the actions of the authorities and vaccinations, including, we have this "merit" of the authorities themselves.
    1. +21
      17 June 2021 05: 20
      Not wanting to be vaccinated is a direct indicator of the "trust" of the population of our country to our "leaders". For years, all the actions of the leadership were aimed exclusively at enriching a narrow circle of "chosen ones"
      One hundred percent hit! That is why people do not want to be vaccinated. A peculiar (probably not conscious) at the level of instincts, protest ...
      1. +4
        17 June 2021 07: 31
        A kind (probably not conscious) at the level of instincts, protest ...
        What is interesting to me is that there are many of those who are dissatisfied with the current government in some way, either Medvedev offended them, or Chubais is too red. And now we have united in a united formation for the promotion of vaccination
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 20: 26
          Quote: Gardamir
          there are many of those who are dissatisfied with the current government in some way,

          The key word is "something", but there are even more of those who are dissatisfied with the current government "in principle" (and they go wrong and look wrong) so they are united and act as a "pig" against vaccination
      2. +8
        17 June 2021 08: 14
        Not wanting to be vaccinated is a direct indicator of the "trust" of the population of our country to our "leaders".
        There is such a thing, there is no trust in our "guardians of the people" for a long time.
    2. +11
      17 June 2021 05: 29
      Quote: Nazar
      So there are serious reasons not to trust the actions of the authorities
    3. +8
      17 June 2021 05: 43
      it's an old tradition
      The people were mistrustful of the authorities before. Now it's even soft, not like before
      Cholera riots - riots of townspeople, peasants and military settlers in the Russian Empire during the cholera epidemic of 1830-1831. The reasons are dissatisfaction with the travel ban imposed by the government (quarantines and armed cordons) and rumors that doctors and officials are deliberately poisoning ordinary people. Having succumbed to panic, “the excited crowds smashed the police departments and state hospitals, killed officials, officers, landlord nobles” [1].

      for example, in Staraya Russa
      In 1831, a riot broke out in the military settlements of the Novgorod province [2]. The closest reason for the riots was the cholera epidemic. The government arranged quarantines, forced the fumigation of infected houses and property of the deceased, but the people did not believe in the advisability of these measures; there were rumors that people were poisoned in quarantines, that doctors and bosses were spreading poison on the roads and poisoning bread and water. The workers expelled from St. Petersburg for participating in the cholera riots, with their stories about how they "drove out cholera with stakes," aroused the military settlers. ....
      Riots began in the town of Staraya Russa. A few days before that, the bourgeoisie of Staraya Russa and the lower ranks of the military workers' battalion stationed in the city several times detained passers-by, suspected by them of poisoning the water, and only the police intervention saved the innocent from severe beatings. On the evening of July 22 (July 10, old style), by order of Major Rosenmeyer, commander of the 10th military-working battalion, fumigation was performed in the barracks and people had to spend the night in the open air, which made several people sick the next day ...

      On the evening of the next day, the soldiers of the workers' battalion gathered in a crowd. Captain Shakhovsky, who was passing by them, who did not answer the call of the sentry, the soldiers seized and, suspecting him of spilling poison, beat him and dragged him into the city. The townspeople joined the soldiers of the workers' battalion. The crowd broke up taverns, the beating of paramedics and doctors began, the city doctor Wagner was the first to be killed in his bed. The eldest of the remaining chiefs in the city, General of Artillery NI Meves, began to convince the crowd of the absurdity of talk about the poison; At first they listened to him, but then they dragged him off the droshky and smashed him on the pavement head. The rebels found the police chief of Staraya Russa Manzhos, hiding in a wood shed, whom the townsfolk hated for their covetousness and cruelty, and, having subjected him to torture, they killed ...

      and that was just the beginning ...
    4. -25
      17 June 2021 05: 45
      Quote: Nazar
      unwillingness to get vaccinated, this is not from selfishness,

      And from moronism and infantilism, and our authorities, than to play tolerance and democracy, it is high time to introduce an obligation for employees of state institutions, enterprises (as well as the Ministry of Internal Affairs, army and prisons with "guests)
      1. +19
        17 June 2021 07: 03
        Quote: mark1
        and our authorities, how to play tolerance

        And it's time for your authorities to stop spitting on the Constitution and laws. Stop destroying and selling the country. Conduct fair elections.
        Otherwise, the people will cease to be tolerant of the authorities. wink
        1. -17
          17 June 2021 09: 11
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And to your authorities

          And if the authorities are not yours, then there is nothing to climb with your drum in our Kalashny row ...
    5. -7
      17 June 2021 06: 17
      Igor! "Wiring" You say the authorities are getting rich? And the fact that hospitals are filled with people with covid, who are treated for free for public money - what's this? Oh yes, I understand - it's all HPP. Then where did these shots from a crooked gun come from. The names of those enriched in covid in the studio. That the state was enriched? The state has spent a lot. The capitalists have enriched themselves, and how many of them have lost their business due to quarantine. I would not persuade to get vaccinated, I want everyone to get sick - it's the master's business
      1. +11
        17 June 2021 07: 13
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        The names of those enriched in covid in the studio.

        You are like a child. In the Saratov region, the communists achieved the resignation of the head of the regional Ministry of Health, because she presented a tender for the supply of masks to her brother's company. Masks for 35 rubles.
        Even UD was not aroused against her.
        And now you say that the state wasted - but where did the money come from, did you not delve into it? The NWF was not touched, the money was simply printed, i.e. the costs were borne by the entire population.
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        everyone wants to get sick - it's the master's business
        Thank you. This is exactly what I want. In order not to come to me with obsessive care. Spit on people in other areas.
        1. -4
          17 June 2021 08: 22
          Igor. I quote you.
          You are like a child. In the Saratov region, the communists achieved the resignation of the head of the regional Ministry of Health, because she presented a tender for the supply of masks to her brother's company. Masks for 35 rubles
          I am sure that you were NOT a participant in the mask scam. Then how did you know about it? I found out about this scam from the media. This means that the swindlers were exposed, in this case with the help of the communists, and removed from office. This is democracy. With any national misfortune, there are villains who profit from the people's misfortune, no wonder. The late mother said that in besieged Leningrad one could exchange a fur coat for a loaf of bread. Those who were caught were shot. Do you want this lady to be shot?
          here you say that the state wasted - but where did the money come from, did you not delve into it? The NWF was not touched, the money was simply printed, i.e. the costs were borne by the entire population.
          Basically, the money was taken from funds intended for the implementation of National Projects. Therefore, their implementation was slowed down. I agree that they printed some, otherwise the food inflation would not have happened. Moreover, I am annoyed by Putin's boasting about the fact that he has many tools to contain the rise in prices. Then - what are we standing for, who are we waiting for?
          Thank you. This is exactly what I want. In order not to come to me with obsessive care. Spit on people in other areas.
          Do you hate Putin so much that you don't even want to live?
          1. +10
            17 June 2021 08: 32
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            I found out about this scam from the media.

            I a week earlier, on the channel the Diary of a Deputy. And if it had not been for Bondarenko's intervention, the minister would have worked this way, and would have cut the budget further.
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            I agree that they printed something,

            They printed the bulk, the numbers are in the public domain.
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            Do you hate Putin so much that you don't even want to live?

            My family and I got sick in the winter. He was seriously ill, the children were ill easily. And to be honest, I was already sick a few years ago with similar symptoms. I think many will agree with me, analyzing the course of the disease with how they were sick before.
            And my attitude towards Putin has nothing to do with it, there is just common sense. And logic.
            1. -8
              17 June 2021 09: 18
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Was seriously ill

              It can be seen...
              Hope for immunity, muddy the water?
            2. 0
              17 June 2021 10: 08
              Igor! So if you have already been ill, and it is difficult, you do not need to vaccinate anyway. Why, then, this pose, they say, I hate our state so much that you do not need any handouts from it, especially vaccinations. It looks like this, but someone wants to stand in a similar position - they will not vaccinate, they will get sick and die. What is it like? Arguments about that. that covid is not one of the three causes of death in Russia is untenable, because no one knows what the mortality rate would have been if covid had not been treated. More than 100000 people have died from covid in Russia, don't you feel sorry for them? What made me need to be vaccinated was that I have been vaccinated against the flu for five years now, and I don't even catch a cold, although our places are northern and windy. You mentioned that you have already suffered from similar syndromes. Let me ask you - did you lose the smell, did you feel panic? All my family members who had been ill talked about these symptoms. Relative to the mass of money. The money for the creation of vaccines, the introduction of technologies into production, the purchase of equipment, the re-profiling of hospitals was taken from the money of national projects, but the money of 20000 per child was actually printed.
        2. 0
          17 June 2021 09: 18
          Aren't you afraid to die in your prime of life and pulling other people along with you?
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 22: 50
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            pulling other people with you?

            Whom to pull with you? The vaccinated person runs the risk of getting sick no less than the unvaccinated one; the vaccinated person, according to the developers, reduces the risk of complications, and the course of the disease is easier, and nothing more. They spread the disease no worse than the unvaccinated. And I'm not afraid for myself, don't come to me with your vaccine.
            1. +1
              18 June 2021 07: 25
              Well, yes .. suddenly the chip will be brought in and the brain will be taken under control .. trouble!
      2. -2
        17 June 2021 07: 23
        which are treated free of charge for public money

        the authorities are enriched

        A specific authority has a name, surname and patronymic
      3. +1
        17 June 2021 09: 12
        The capitalists have enriched themselves, and how many of them have lost their business due to quarantine.

        List in the studio!
    6. +9
      17 June 2021 07: 16
      Not wanting to be vaccinated is a direct indicator of the "trust" of the population of our country to our "leaders".
      That's it! First, a total lie. Secondly, an open disregard for the interests of the people. And now all of a sudden they are supposedly taking care of their health. Why have hospitals been closed in recent decades?
      Finally, the same universal antikoid remedy has been found - fines.
      1. -4
        17 June 2021 12: 27
        Again infantilism! Taking care of your health is the concern of the person himself. It is believed that it is better to sit on the couch to expose the lies of the authorities than to get up and give yourself a chance not to get sick with a dangerous disease. Oh well. In which case, it will not even be possible to bury the covid ones, two weeks later and in a closed coffin.
        1. +5
          17 June 2021 12: 44
          You are more careful about getting up. Yeltsin also said that under him Russia rose from its knees.
          As for dangerous diseases. How long have we joked that if you treat the flu, you will recover in a week, and if you do not treat it, then in seven days. And few people thought that a certain percentage of the sick died from the flu.
    7. +8
      17 June 2021 07: 26
      The shepherd must take care of his flock! If the flock is sick, it must be treated, otherwise it will stop milking!
    8. +5
      17 June 2021 07: 56
      Quote: Nazar
      So there are serious reasons not to trust the actions of the authorities and vaccinations, including
      So, vaccinations are free. Concerns are only about the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines themselves. For example, "Sputnik V" is a vector vaccine, and "EpiVacCorona" is a peptide vaccine, which is more reliable and better, so far there are some questions.
      1. +3
        17 June 2021 08: 09
        Quote: Per se.
        "Sputnik V"

        WHO has not yet recognized ... Almost all of Europe, too!
        1. +1
          17 June 2021 10: 35
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          haven't admitted it yet ..

          And besides how to put a minus, is there something to write in essence? recourse
        2. 0
          17 June 2021 11: 11
          WHO has not yet recognized ... Almost all of Europe, too!

          And will not recognize it in the near future. Such loot is at stake - and what, damned Muscovites market share for so what will they give?
          1. +5
            17 June 2021 11: 34
            Quote: paul3390
            loot at stake

            I get the impression that all this is a "pandemic", there is promotion of the people for the loot! There is an epidemic, but not until the same super-pandemic ... Remember the video from Wuhan, where people fell in the streets, blocked the neighborhoods! And where it all came from - ate vipers and bats! Delirium!
        3. +3
          17 June 2021 13: 53
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          WHO has not yet recognized ...
          So, Vladimir and Crimea have so far been recognized by only eight states. The fact that "almost all of Europe", so there are precedents ...
          After being vaccinated with Sputnik V, San Marino became the first country in Europe without COVID (excluding Gibraltar). Now Russia is setting it up as an example for the European Union, and the republic itself is inviting "vaccine tourists"
          Moreover, hotel rooms are not cheap, but people go, as well as to get vaccinated in Russia.
          1. 0
            17 June 2021 14: 35
            We, on Sakhalin, have introduced compulsory vaccination since June 21 ... Those who have not been vaccinated will not be allowed to work! wassat
      2. +6
        17 June 2021 08: 38
        and why doctors are virologists who are screaming in the subject, it is impossible to do vaccinations during an epidemic ??? are they fools? are mayors and officials better at this?
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 11: 19
          Quote: alekc75
          and why doctors are virologists who are screaming in the subject, it is impossible to do vaccinations during an epidemic ??? are they fools? are mayors and officials better at this?

          But BANKS in Moscow do not vaccinate
          1. +5
            17 June 2021 11: 36
            Quote: Silvestr
            BANKS in Moscow do not vaccinate

            Loot creates immunity from all viruses lol
            1. 0
              17 June 2021 13: 35
              Quote from Uncle Lee
              Loot creates immunity from all viruses

              Or do they know something
              1. +1
                17 June 2021 13: 37
                Quote: Silvestr
                know something

                But they will not tell ... Even for a lot of money! feel
        2. +1
          17 June 2021 21: 58
          Quote: alekc75
          and why doctors are virologists who are screaming in the subject, it is impossible to do vaccinations during an epidemic ???

          Quote: Silvestr

          But BANKS in Moscow do not vaccinate

          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Loot creates immunity from all viruses

          Quote: Silvestr

          Or do they know something

          All this means that vaccination is not at all to protect against covid.
          Look in everything ... no, not Cherchez la femme, we are still not French, although, as you know, "For" P "and handed over cities." Look for Is fecit cui prodest in everything.
      3. -1
        18 June 2021 04: 53
        Per se - Are vaccinations free? Good joke, "credit" - the budget does not pay for the vaccine? And they don’t take money from us to the budget?
    9. -1
      17 June 2021 13: 11
      It would be nice for the population to start learning to live with their own mind, and not from the principle of believe / do not believe "leaders". In spite of my mother-in-law I will frostbite
  6. 0
    17 June 2021 04: 21
    Yeah.
    Indicative disregard - both on oneself and on the health of their loved ones.
  7. +3
    17 June 2021 04: 31
    It feels like these flashes appear with a snap of your fingers.
    The virus itself is not scary, the treatment is scary, and after treatment, heart problems begin, or something else.
    The drugs are being tested on us.
    1. +3
      17 June 2021 04: 56
      Sure. Opened Turkey - everyone rushed. We opened Britain - tickets ran out immediately. Etc.
      No need to click anything. They themselves will bring and provide others.
      1. +2
        17 June 2021 07: 17
        They themselves will bring and provide others
        If you are so smart, then why isn't Moscow closed off now?
        1. +2
          17 June 2021 11: 01
          They are already starting to tighten the nuts. And again, small business will start to collapse.
  8. +6
    17 June 2021 04: 54
    COVID, like the flu, will always be. And it will become the same nonsense in 100 years. And now, until it dies out as much as 100 years ago, it will not calm down. According to the then estimate, 10-15% of the population died. And now it will be the same. So those who are not vaccinated will die and increase herd immunity.
    Natural selection.
    Another question is that now there are many people who have recovered from the fall-winter. It's too early for them to be vaccinated.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 07: 18
      will die and increase herd immunity.
      how will the dead raise? Probably they will pass it on by inheritance. Zombies or something.
      1. -1
        17 June 2021 11: 04
        The dead and will be promoted. They WILL DIE OUT. And they will not give their next generation. Ecological niches will be freed up. Evolution. The process is as follows.
        It was. The Spaniard walked around the ground for 3-4 laps. A lot of people have died. And the rest of the flu has somehow ..., in general, do not pay attention to it.
    2. +1
      17 June 2021 11: 28
      Quote: mmaxx
      And now it will be the same. So those who are not vaccinated will die and increase herd immunity.
      Natural selection.

      Then, if this is natural selection, the question arises: should it be resisted and is it possible to a person to resist what is planned by nature? And if natural selection through disease is prevented by man, then nature has a variant of natural selection through war. Is it possible to resist a person, given that he himself is part of nature?
  9. +19
    17 June 2021 05: 04
    10% of the vaccinated Russians is a relative indicator of trust in the anti-popular feudal-oligarchic power existing in the Russian Federation ... Of these 10%, some other percentage was vaccinated as needed.
    As for voting, the question is fundamentally wrong, you need to vote in at least two stages: Moscow-St. Petersburg and "zamkadniki" ... what is called "feel the difference." hi
  10. +1
    17 June 2021 05: 36
    Venediktov took root ...
    They (liberals) scolded the inoculation of Russian development in order to get inoculated out of turn ...
    1. +3
      17 June 2021 07: 11
      laughing .. understandably the dissatisfaction of the systemic liberals, some unsystematic forward bracers wanted to be grafted, radishes .. You still fight for this brew. lol In Moscow, almost everyone will be stocked, mandatory vaccination has already been announced for most of them, so there will be enough brew for everyone, why be indignant? Only now, Uncle Vova was again caught with another promise that they would not be forced to vaccinate .. winked
      1. -4
        17 June 2021 07: 26
        A bit of humor on the topic ...



  11. +7
    17 June 2021 05: 47
    There is our fault and the fault of the authorities. Initially, the borders were not closed. Weekend-announced and people rushed to travel agencies for cheap vouchers. Didn't they know that Moscow was a courtyard? We have more than one year to live with this.
  12. +6
    17 June 2021 05: 49
    In Moscow, a sanitary doctor ordered all people who serve the population to be vaccinated. If they started with this, they would not have lived to see such a life. The author says that our people are irresponsible, and in other countries people are different. Winnie-the-Pooh injected us with his shock therapy. They injected us when they gave the people's property to the newly-born bourgeoisie. There is an epidemic, and we need to be vaccinated. But let it not be officials, but doctors. Then the matter will move a centimeter.
  13. +6
    17 June 2021 06: 09
    In "LG" I found such a satirical note. "Canada has gone crazy. They have appointed a health minister, a doctor, a minister of agriculture, a farmer, and a minister of science, an academician. People have no imagination." Indeed, a strange people.
  14. +4
    17 June 2021 06: 10
    We and the whole world have already begun to get used to COVID-19, but the summer situation is not typical.
    Of course not typical. The vaccine is not sold, and the profit from the production is already virtually divided. In Moscow, a reindeer breeder has already issued a "decree" for compulsory vaccination, albeit without a signature, as always. And once again it is very tempting to hold elections on "stumps" in the fall.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 08: 28
      By the way, the issue price for a certificate is from 10000 to 20000 rubles.

      1. -3
        17 June 2021 09: 04
        Expensive. However, I don't need it yet.
        1. -2
          17 June 2021 09: 28
          Demand, however! laughing Not so long ago they asked for 1-2 thousand. That's how they do money. wink
        2. +1
          17 June 2021 11: 20
          Quote: lis-ik
          A little expensive.

          can be found for 5
      2. BAI
        +3
        17 June 2021 09: 49
        issue price

        What price? Everything is free. Or is it buying a phony certificate?
        By the way, in the 2nd photo on the certificate, the fields are not filled - the dates of the first and second vaccinations. Purchased certificate?
        1. +5
          17 June 2021 10: 20
          Naturally purchased. I wrote about the purchased one. And the prices for it. wink
      3. 0
        17 June 2021 20: 17
        In the polyclinic they give free of charge, after vaccination ... plus a bonus, there are more chances to transfer the disease easily, without complications.
        By the way, you can just download the application and get a QR code on government services. Identity FREE.
        1. +2
          17 June 2021 20: 29
          My friend, I am writing about "purchased". For participating in the "experiment", well, really, there is no desire. I have already written about certain fears. hi
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 20: 42
            Why buy?
            They won't be allowed into the geyrope anyway, but this piece of paper does not give any restrictions / privileges in our country.
            1. +3
              17 June 2021 20: 52
              This is how I work. And "if not today, then tomorrow they will come for me ..." The bosses will demand, you know. recourse
              1. +1
                17 June 2021 23: 13
                So with us with vaccination, you work, not vaccinated, they can send ... to a remote location. Such a choice cannot be said that it is not logical.
  15. +9
    17 June 2021 06: 12
    The question of trust should not have lied so much, now they say get vaccinated, but my itch, maybe they lie again. Gundarova watched says the statistics of mortality from pneumonia were classified, why? At the same time, mortality statistics from covid are open, why?
    1. +3
      17 June 2021 08: 43
      You are absolutely right.
      Trust your own health to this regime, these people in power at the moment? Regarding vaccines, even medical practitioners do not have a clear opinion about its effect.
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 10: 24
        Quote: Phil77
        Trust

        Greetings, Sergey!

        I will say from the outside: when Sputnik was imported to Moldova (184 thousand doses), huge queues arose for vaccination, it was scattered in 2-3 days - according to thieves, doctors and according to the lists of clinics for weakened patients with diabetes, CVD, etc. ...
        Ida - with Sputnik - you can't go to Europe, which is very important for Moldova

        At the same time, there was a network of AstraZeneca vaccines overhangs, there are also a bunch of Chinese vaccines, but there is no crush

        Pfizer is also popular.
        1. +8
          17 June 2021 10: 45
          Andrey, I welcome you!
          What do you think, if everything is in order with this vaccine, why then this "coercion"? Why then "lists of vaccinated? Why then threats up to dismissal from work? Why do doctors have such an ambiguous attitude towards vaccination? Why such a sharp" surge in the disease? "? Allegedly? Statistics is an insidious thing, how should we calculate it. And finally, why should even the vaccinated wear masks, and the" upper boyars "flaunt without them? Perhaps they have bureaucratic immunity from the" pseudo-crown ", and let the" people "be vaccinated by an unknown "vaccine" cooked on the knee.
          1. -1
            17 June 2021 10: 53
            Quote: Phil77
            What do you think, if everything is in order with this vaccine, why then this "coercion"?

            In Israel, those who are not vaccinated, but work in the service sector, lost their jobs and the court found it legal. In Israel, the epidemic took root and practically ended.

            And I have already written about trust in Sputnik. Yes, I forgot, the matchmaker was instilled in them by great pull in the clinic (the godfather provided) in the presence of a bunch of other European-recognized vaccines.
            1. +3
              17 June 2021 11: 00
              Andrey! It looks like we were once again divided. Into two irreconcilable camps, however you yourself see everything, even on this resource. Okay! Personal relationships are much more important than all vaccines put together. All the best to you!
            2. +1
              17 June 2021 11: 22
              Quote: Olgovich
              in the presence of a bunch of other European-recognized vaccines.

              Seriously? On the territory of Russia, the use of only two domestic vaccines is officially allowed so far - "Sputnik V", which is produced by the N.N. Gamalei, and "EpiVacCorona" of the Novosibirsk center "Vector". Both of them are registered with the Ministry of Health.
              1. +2
                17 June 2021 12: 38
                Quote: Silvestr
                Seriously? On the territory of Russia, the use of only two domestic vaccines is officially allowed so far

                Have you forgotten that Olgovich - from Moldova!!!!
  16. +6
    17 June 2021 06: 21
    The author is not in the subject, as usual. 10% of the country's population is vaccinated not because of a refusal to be vaccinated, but because of the lack of a vaccine. I was vaccinated in February-March, I had to wait in line at the clinic, that is, there are enough people willing. Where did you see the "vaccination bus that even runs through the villages"? In Russia, the problem is with performance as usual. The vaccine has been invented, and there is not enough production capacity. Therefore, they are expanding production in other countries.
    1. +2
      17 June 2021 13: 18
      Not certainly in that way. If you look at the survey results for this article among subscribers, you can see that 40% were not vaccinated and will not be. Therefore, if there are any problems with the availability of a vaccine, then this is not the only problem and reason. I can judge from Moscow, where there are definitely no problems with availability as early as 3 months, but the proportion of those who are not vaccinated and who have not recovered is significant.
      1. +2
        17 June 2021 14: 16
        Moreover, this is already an obligation. A friend sent me, a "letter of happiness" came to his eldest son. Then think for yourself.
        1. +3
          17 June 2021 18: 32
          Quote: Phil77
          Moreover, this is already an obligation. A friend sent me, a "letter of happiness" came to his eldest son. Then think for yourself.

          Moreover, this abomination Sobyaninskaya also offered to remove from work those who did not become vaccinated without saving wages. Here the fingers on the hand will not be enough to count how many articles of the Criminal Code and the Constitution have been violated. This is the result of the violation of basic laws, first by the guarantor, and then by the rest. The fish rots from the head.
          1. +2
            17 June 2021 19: 12
            And now there is infa that it is possible for the "unvaccinated" not to pay a salary. In my opinion, there is nowhere to go. Although ... a knock is clearly heard from below. So the bottom is not yet clear. wink
  17. +12
    17 June 2021 06: 21
    I remember that under a totalitarian, bloody regime, "little white men" came to work, "occupied" the medical center and at the muzzle of syringes, all employees of the enterprise were vaccinated with a hellish mixture of several diseases, and most importantly, there was no such thing as foot and mouth disease. for the sake of prophylaxis, and like this in all enterprises, institutions, schools. In the army, they also added a dose in this way, but for other diseases, it is clear this is the army. Even in the year 90 they scoffed in this way. And now democracy, such methods are not inherent in it, and even in the midst of a mass epidemic, “the rescue of drowning people, the work of the drowning themselves.” “Drowning people”, though not conscious, for them and the vaccine and all that, masks, gloves, not getting ready for more than three, keeping a distance when walking, fines for not following the rules. And the "drowning man" does not appreciate the care of the state. And rightly so, as one of the former presidents or prime ministers said: " The state does not owe you anything. "Therefore, line up and forward in orderly rows and columns at the vaccination points, God forbid, you will die, who will earn us billions.
    1. +11
      17 June 2021 07: 23
      Quote: parusnik
      I remember that under a totalitarian, bloody regime, "little white men" came to work, "occupied" the medical center and at the point of syringes

      This is how they stopped smallpox in Moscow in the early 60s.
      1. +11
        17 June 2021 08: 17
        Quote: Balu
        This is how they stopped smallpox in Moscow in the early 60s.
        This is true, with the only difference that then the people trusted their power, at least the majority. And from these bourgeois, except for the next one, there is nothing to expect, for 30-35 years they have already been taught by bitter experience. Che they vtyuhivayut hz there, well if at least it does not cause harm, but if it does? Personally, I prefer for myself a regime of tough (for urban) isolation, in rural areas where there is one or two people and it’s more reliable. And you, in the cities, decide for yourself whether to inject or not.
        1. -4
          17 June 2021 12: 40
          Quote: Pilot
          This is true, with the only difference that then the people trusted their power, at least the majority

          And the state responded to its trust in the 1961 cotton monetary reform ...
      2. +14
        17 June 2021 08: 21
        Yes, they worked then quickly and effectively. I agree, the Union would quickly press this infection to the nail. But it has long been gone, and now we have what we have.
      3. +10
        17 June 2021 08: 22
        Quote: Balu
        This is how they stopped smallpox in Moscow in the early 60s.


        Smallpox - lethality 20-40 %, in some epidemics up to 90 %

        COVID-19 - In most cases (about 80%) no specific treatment is required, but recovery happens by itself The mortality rate from infection (IFR) is estimated at about 0,68 % [26], according to the WHO seroprevalence analysis - in 0,27 %
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 22: 10
          Quote: Normal
          Quote: Balu
          This is how they stopped smallpox in Moscow in the early 60s.


          Smallpox - lethality 20-40 %, in some epidemics up to 90 %

          COVID-19 - In most cases (about 80%) no specific treatment is required, but recovery happens by itself The mortality rate from infection (IFR) is estimated at about 0,68 % [26], according to the WHO seroprevalence analysis - in 0,27 %

          what do you know about postcoid syndrome? Every third person will sooner or later see a urologist. This is so offhand. Think.
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 23: 30
            Quote: Balu
            what do you know about postcoid syndrome?

            What do you know?
            Very little is known about the covid itself, but are you already scaring me with postcoid syndrome?
            You know, I'm not afraid of either one or the other.
            Do not intimidate.
            I am a fatalist. What will be, will not escape, and who is destined to be hanged will not drown.

            Quote: Balu
            Every third person will sooner or later see a urologist.

            All right ..... Amba ..... We are all going to die. belay
            Yes, most people, sooner or later, will turn to a urologist, dentist, as well as a cardiologist, phlebologist, and gastroenterologist.
            After 50 years, probably half of men have urological diseases even without any covid.
            Found something to scare.

            Quote: Balu
            This is so offhand. Think.

            Throwing into the empty space. The "fish" no longer bites such a "bait".
            1. +2
              18 June 2021 14: 44
              Quote: Normal
              Throwing into the empty space. The "fish" no longer bites such a "bait".

              a neighbor recently underwent surgery in urology for kidney stones. Most of the patients are the consequences of undergoing covid-19. Statistics on long-term complications of covid and postcoid syndrome are freely available. A frivolous attitude towards health and prevention ends badly ..
              1. 0
                18 June 2021 19: 15
                Quote: Balu
                Statistics


                Statistics....
                "There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics." - this is how Mark Twain wrote in The Chapter of My Autobiography (North American Review, July 5, 1907), noting, incidentally, that this statement is attributed to British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli. Since then, the phrase has diverged, repeating itself many times, its original authorship was attributed to many famous people, including Twain himself and Disraeli, but the true author remains unknown.

                Now they say so when they want to say that if they wish any lie can be justified by reference to statistical data.

                (https://posmotre.li/Ложь,_наглая_ложь_и_статистика#:~:text=«Существуют%20три%20вида%20лжи%3A%20ложь%2C,приписывается%20британскому%20премьер-министру%20Бенджамину%20Дизраэли)
                1. +1
                  18 June 2021 20: 56
                  Quote: Normal
                  Ложь,_наглая_ложь_и_статистика#:~:text=«Существуют%20три%20вида%20лжи%3A%20ложь%2C,приписывается%20британскому%20премьер-министру%20Бенджамину%20Дизраэли)

                  you are some kind of magic belay
                  1. 0
                    18 June 2021 21: 40
                    I'm not magical. I'm normal.
                    Are you fabulous?
                    1. +1
                      18 June 2021 21: 43
                      Quote: Normal
                      I'm not magical. I'm normal.
                      Are you fabulous?

                      The nonprofit FAIR Health analyzed the health insurance claims of 1,96 million US residents who contracted COVID-19 between February and December 2020. Scientists tracked how they use their health insurance until February 2021.

                      The study found that within one month or later after infection, 23% of people needed treatment for new health problems. This has been experienced by people of all ages, including children.

                      About half of the patients who were hospitalized for the infection turned to doctors for help with the consequences of COVID-19. After a disease of moderate or mild severity, 27% of patients needed help, after an asymptomatic infection - 19%.
                      Educate yourself, reading develops the ability to think realistically, and not balabol
                      1. 0
                        18 June 2021 22: 28
                        Quote: Balu
                        claims for health insurance benefits of 1,96 million US residents who contracted COVID-19 from February to December 2020.


                        Well, for sure - fabulous.

                        Quote: Balu
                        what do you know about postcoid syndrome? Every third person will sooner or later see a urologist.


                        Let's say I live in the USA. Let's say I'm more than 55-five and I, like a significant number of men at this age, have health problems about which I do not spread for many understandable reasons. Let's say I get mild covid disease. Do you think I will take the opportunity, hiding behind a fashionable topic, to improve my health or receive monetary compensation?

                        Quote: Balu
                        ....... doctors working in the "red zones" told Gazeta.Ru. .................... Ask familiar doctors ..........


                        Ask the doctors you know how much their honey gets from the budget. institution for each covid patient.

                        Quote: Balu
                        added cough with phlegm and blood.


                        Highlight the tube. dispensaries budget of 200 rubles. for each discovered tuberculosis and the country will be swept by a tuberculosis epidemic.
                        We allocate a budget of 200 rubles to cemeteries for each buried person and ..... "Immediately there was a general demand for shovels and a deficit ..."
                    2. 0
                      18 June 2021 22: 04
                      Quote: Normal
                      I'm not magical. I'm normal.
                      Are you fabulous?

                      In late May - early June 2021, more and more patients aged 18-28 began to enter hospitals for patients with coronavirus in Moscow, doctors working in the “red zones” told Gazeta.Ru. They note that a cough with phlegm and blood has been added to the traditional symptoms of high fever, shortness of breath and weakness. Many patients do not respond to the usual treatment - doctors have to select a new therapy. Ask familiar doctors, they will cheat, what all this means. sad
  18. +8
    17 June 2021 06: 32
    My cousin's nephew's maternal grandfather ...
    From the first words it is clear that the stuffing. You can also understand when all sorts of nonsense sounds from the Western media, which in this matter work exclusively to promote their vaccines, coupled with the political component of the fight against Russia. But when it sounds from the residents of Russia, I want to ask the question - for whom do we work? Vaccination of course today is a voluntary matter, but the carelessness of citizens surprises and amazes. If you want to throw back your flippers, it's up to you. But how many will you infect before that? Another thing is that local officials often go too far. As an example in the same Moscow (from the media and TV): in a restaurant until 23.00 you can, and after that you can’t - covid. He is acting on a temporary schedule. You can't sit next to someone on a bench, you can sit on a lawn, etc. Officials are competing who is dumber to introduce a ban. Hence the dissatisfaction of citizens and, as a protest for some, the refusal of vaccination.
    1. +3
      17 June 2021 08: 19
      Quote: rotmistr60
      My cousin's nephew's maternal grandfather ...
      From the first words it is clear that the stuffing. You can also understand when all sorts of nonsense sounds from the Western media, which in this matter work exclusively to promote their vaccines, coupled with the political component of the fight against Russia. But when it sounds from the residents of Russia, I want to ask the question - for whom do we work? Vaccination of course today is a voluntary matter, but the carelessness of citizens surprises and amazes. If you want to throw back your flippers, it's up to you. But how many will you infect before that? Another thing is that local officials often go too far. As an example in the same Moscow (from the media and TV): in a restaurant until 23.00 you can, and after that you can’t - covid. He is acting on a temporary schedule. You can't sit next to someone on a bench, you can sit on a lawn, etc. Officials are competing who is dumber to introduce a ban. Hence the dissatisfaction of citizens and, as a protest for some, the refusal of vaccination.

      With covid, everything is complicated precisely because of the information policy of the authorities ... it seems like an epidemic, but purely political tasks (concerts organized by the authorities, parades, voting, etc.) do not interfere with solving and there is no risk in their implementation .. and it seems that everyone in the world likes the vaccine, but developed countries and the WHO say that either there is no information about the vaccine or it is inaccurate ... and it seems that everyone and everything is vaccinated and the stocks are huge, on the other side of the queue there are several months and there are no special people ... and like 146% protection against infection after domestic vaccination, and it seems there are those who did not help ... in general, the circus with horses - on the one hand, everything is as always the best, but reality sometimes breaks through even at the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company and it turns out that no one envies ... in general, the people do not have enough truth, accurate and consistent data, I remember as when non-working days were introduced, they said - because of the incubation period of 2-3 weeks, we will notice the real effect in a month, and the next day in the news “HPP with the introduction of non-working days has already helped to reduce the number of luchaev infection for 20 people "...
    2. -6
      17 June 2021 11: 13
      Yes, even if it is true ... Almost before our very eyes the case. Grandpa was hospitalized for the first time in his life. My sister put on a drip with some kind of nonsense. Poked a needle into a vein. The grandfather died. From fright. Sister went out. They were sealed off and pumped out.
      BUT WITH A DRIPPER. BOTH MEDICINE.
      All this lies of liberoids and their sympathizers about Sputnik V shows its quality. For once done something sensible.
  19. +4
    17 June 2021 06: 50
    I don’t know about Moscow, but in Novosibirsk it took me 3 hours to get one shot of vaccination. A large queue, especially to a doctor, moves extremely slowly. Many who came, turned around and left.
    1. -2
      17 June 2021 09: 26
      Quote: riwas
      in Novosibirsk, it took me 3 hours to get one shot of vaccination.

      Wedge, Moscow region
      I arrived at the Central Bank without an appointment, without a coupon. There is no queue. I was vaccinated without any problems. No side effects such as temperature and so on. Crap. Remember that the smart learns from the mistakes of others, and don't be the ones who learn from yours.
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 10: 30
        That's right, Boris, if suddenly the systemic liberals start having problems with vaccination or problems after vaccination, no one will believe you, so everything should be absolutely smooth. lol ..and it is desirable to get an apartment as a reward, here you are cheto modest .. wassat
      2. +1
        17 June 2021 14: 14
        Moscow region

        You well. And in Novosibirsk, my desire to be grafted by all means helped me to stay in line for three hours.
  20. +6
    17 June 2021 06: 59
    The vaccine is not 100% guaranteed. A third of UK residents who have died from the Indian strain of coronavirus received two doses of Western vaccines. This is evidenced by research data from the Public Health England (PHE)
    https://ria.ru/20210613/shtamm-1736877927.html
    We also had similar cases after being vaccinated with Sputnik V.
    https://ngs.ru/text/health/2021/06/14/69968177/
    1. +7
      17 June 2021 07: 29
      Quote: riwas
      The vaccine is not 100% guaranteed. A third of UK residents who have died from the Indian strain of coronavirus received two doses of Western vaccines.

      And how many of these same people died? On the site, the doctors of the Russian Federation, as soon as they do not vilify vaccination against vaccines, the next sect is straight. They also try to say that all hospitals are full of sick vaccinated people. They scare them with horror stories. there was also a letter from a doctor, he was vaccinated, but he fell ill, antibodies were not formed enough. Transferred easily. Emphasizes that, if he had not been vaccinated on time, everything could have been much worse. On CT, there was practically nothing, everything went like a usual acute respiratory disease, only on the basis of analyzes and understood. The new Indian strain will bring many surprises to the Russians .. Graft before it's too late! Or save money for a pharmacy and / or a funeral. sad
      1. +2
        17 June 2021 08: 11
        I support. Signed up for a vaccination through government services. A week later, he was invited to the hospital indicated in the application. Came to the specified time, waited half an hour and now Sputnik V is vaccinated. In two stages with a break of 2 weeks. The working name of the vaccine is Gam-COVID-Vac.
        Get vaccinated, friends!
        1. +1
          17 June 2021 22: 01
          Quote: Tank jacket
          I support. Signed up for a vaccination through government services. A week later, he was invited to the hospital indicated in the application. Came to the specified time, waited half an hour and now Sputnik V is vaccinated. In two stages with a break of 2 weeks. The working name of the vaccine is Gam-COVID-Vac.
          Get vaccinated, friends!
          drinks
          good don't forget to vaccinate your family good
      2. -6
        17 June 2021 11: 14
        Yes, let them die out, do not interfere. We and our children will be freed up.
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 18: 36
          Quote: mmaxx
          Yes, let them die out, do not interfere. We and our children will be freed up.

          Those who, with their feeble minds, help swindlers to enrich themselves and allow themselves to inject all sorts of rubbish from a contrived "pandemic" will die out faster.
          1. -3
            18 June 2021 08: 12
            Do not wait
            1. -2
              18 June 2021 13: 16
              Quote: mmaxx
              Do not wait

              I'll wait.
      3. +8
        17 June 2021 14: 17
        And how many of these same people died?

        That's it! Vaccination is not 100% guaranteed. Therefore, after vaccination, you must continue to wear a mask and observe safety measures.
        1. +2
          17 June 2021 16: 09
          100% guarantees and "only an insurance policy can give a person complete peace of mind" laughing
        2. +4
          17 June 2021 17: 57
          Quote: riwas
          Therefore, after vaccination, you must continue to wear a mask and observe safety measures.

          What, then, is the deeper meaning of vaccination?
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 18: 39
            Quote: Overlock
            Quote: riwas
            Therefore, after vaccination, you must continue to wear a mask and observe safety measures.

            What, then, is the deeper meaning of vaccination?

            Not only vaccinations, but also tests and antiviral drugs and the hysteria itself with an alleged pandemic - to become even richer, those who are involved in this.
            1. -1
              21 June 2021 13: 32
              During the cholera epidemic of 1830–1831, a wave of riots that were called cholera riots swept across the Russian Empire. The population did not like everything that was associated with cholera, from the danger of infection to the price increases that accompany any disasters. Of course, the matter could not do without rumors that cholera was invented by doctors who themselves poison the water, and the unfortunate people are locked in hospitals and quarantines, etc.

              Andrey Sazonov "Coronavirus and Other Infections: CoVarious Realities of World Epidemics".
        3. +4
          17 June 2021 19: 15
          Aha, aha! Just not for everyone. We watch the news and see some "faces" without masks! "High-ranking immunity"? Against everything? Cheslane. laughing
        4. +1
          17 June 2021 22: 04
          Quote: riwas
          And how many of these same people died?

          That's it! Vaccination is not 100% guaranteed. Therefore, after vaccination, you must continue to wear a mask and observe safety measures.

          because new, more aggressive strains have appeared in Russia. In any case, vaccination provides an easier course if antibodies are insufficient due to the genetic characteristics of the individual.
  21. +10
    17 June 2021 07: 09
    Clarification on Israel.
    Over the past day, 27 tests have been carried out. Found 949 new cases.
    According to the Ministry of Health on June 16, more than 55% of the country's population and about 76% of the adult population (over 16 years old) are fully vaccinated.
    The first vaccination was received by more than 58% of Israelis, more than 80% of the adult population.
    Since June 15 in Israel, wearing protective masks has become optional.
    The exceptions are geriatric institutions, nursing homes and some hospital departments where protective masks are still required.

    The requirement to wear a mask throughout the entire flight remains in force.

    COVID defeated (in a single country) laughing What I wish you all with all my heart!
    Take care of yourself. Bless you, L-rd!
    1. +4
      17 June 2021 07: 34
      Quote: A. Privalov
      COVID defeated (in a single country) And I wish you all with all my heart!
      Take care of yourself. Bless you, L-rd!
      Answer

      good good good drinks drinks drinks hi Our population is little aware of the consequences of the transferred covid and frighten each other with mythical horror stories about the complications of vaccination. Tiktok's anti-vaccination propaganda, alas, worked. This whole anti-vaccine sect, sucked from behind the fence, has intensified on all social networks. I don't understand why the Stirlitz still haven't pressed this traitorous sect on social networks.
      1. +8
        17 June 2021 08: 23
        Quote: Balu
        This whole anti-vaccine sect, sucked from behind the fence, has intensified on all social networks. I don't understand why the Stirlitz still haven't pressed this traitorous sect on social networks.

        Those who do not want to get vaccinated are everywhere. Apparently, such a phenomenon is peculiar to people.
        In our area, refuseniks are very religious people. They are fatalists, they say, everything is in the hands of the Lord. These are Arabs, they are complete do not care in this regard and, in general, have little discipline with regard to social behavior. The third group is "Russians". Of those who live the life of Russians, with all that it implies.
        Of course, there is no particular repression for refusing to be vaccinated. However, a decent number of "refuseniks" have lost their jobs. They were not allowed to work places related to public services. The courts recognized such dismissals as legal. Store workers, teachers, kindergarten teachers, etc. were injured.
        1. +1
          17 June 2021 10: 57
          The third group is "Russians".
          Russians in Russia ...
          1. 0
            17 June 2021 11: 15
            Quote: Trapp1st
            The third group is "Russians".
            Russians in Russia ...

            "Blessed is he who believes, warmly to him in the world!" (C) hi
            1. 0
              17 June 2021 11: 16
              Blessed is he who believes, it is warm to him in the world!
              And so the weather is not bad hi
        2. +2
          17 June 2021 22: 06
          Quote: A. Privalov
          However, a decent number of "refuseniks" have lost their jobs. They were not allowed to work places related to public services. The courts recognized such dismissals as legal.

          and it is right. Every unvaccinated potential threat to himself and others
          1. +1
            18 June 2021 06: 18
            Quote: Balu
            and it is right. Every unvaccinated potential threat to himself and others


            This is exactly what the Court ruled. Like, you have every right not to be vaccinated, but it ends where the right of the Society to take care of collective health begins.
      2. -2
        17 June 2021 08: 38
        This whole anti-vaccine sect
        Do not worry. One hundred percent vaccination announced on Sakhalin
        1. +2
          17 June 2021 10: 44
          Quote: Gardamir
          Do not worry. One hundred percent vaccination announced on Sakhalin

          Employers cannot force employees to undergo the COVID-19 vaccination procedure and be fired for refusing to be vaccinated. This was stated by the first deputy head of the Federation Council Committee on Social Policy Valery Ryazansky, reports TASS.
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 11: 25
            This was stated
            Well, as if they declare one thing, and then the opposite happens.
          2. +2
            17 June 2021 18: 28
            reports tass
            here is a new message from TASS
            The Moscow authorities allowed employers to suspend employees who refuse to be vaccinated against coronavirus from work without paying salaries. TASS reports.
    2. 0
      17 June 2021 10: 37
      COVID defeated (in a single country) laughing What I wish you all from the bottom of my heart!
      That's when the stage of testing on Mediterranean hamsters ends with the solution of all the identified problems, then you will want to.
      1. +5
        17 June 2021 11: 52
        Quote: Trapp1st
        That's when the stage of testing on Mediterranean hamsters ends with the solution of all the identified problems, then you will want to.

        Thank you for making me laugh. So, they haven't called me names yet. laughing
        I will continue to wish everyone health, and with all my heart. And as spiteful and flowing with hatred as you, even in the first place. For it is said: "Anger torments them and, like a worm wears away a tree, it gnaws at their soul and eats away at their heart ..."hi
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 12: 19
          Thank you for making me laugh. So, they haven't called me names yet. laughing I wish you all good health, and with all my heart, I will continue to do so. And as spiteful and flowing with hatred as you, even in the first place.
          Well, if I am laughing, then it’s not really a problem with a sense of humor, but the meaning of the joke was still different than to call someone (tests are carried out on other rodents), the possible consequences, but to understand this, you need to think about what you are from, and with all your heart wish ... laughing
  22. -2
    17 June 2021 07: 11
    Fascist zhizinators, the loop awaits you in nuremberg
  23. 0
    17 June 2021 07: 14
    It's summer right now, between
  24. +14
    17 June 2021 07: 20
    I have long spat on this covid hysteria for one reason - the Victory Parade last year, when everyone was transferred to their homes, and patrols with megaphones roamed the streets, a parade was shown all over the country. Like this year - NOT ONE IN THE MASK! Neither soldiers nor spectators, where is your "social distance", when the whole country is shown veterans seated shoulder to shoulder without masks, where is the president shaking hands?))
    A couple of days ago, we held events in our city, the Day of Russia and the awarding of the title of "city of labor glory". Crowds of people in the central square, an event sanctioned by the authorities. Gazmanov "sang". And, well, of course - you had to advertise your deputy from the United Russia, otherwise in the fall the elections, and he has been on all the posters of the city since spring. For what it was all started.
    And of course, in the "pandemic" they decided to arrange a "vote" on the Constitution, yeah.
    So personally, I do not believe ANY statement of the authorities and statisticians.
    Covid was ill, muck is rare.
    1. +2
      17 June 2021 09: 37
      Read what you have written for yourself.
      "I personally do not believe" and "Covid was ill, muck is rare."
      That is, you advise you to get infected and, possibly, die.
      Sometimes you need to be friends with your head.
  25. +6
    17 June 2021 07: 22
    To be honest, I'm scared of the voting results.
    Half voted that they were not going to get vaccinated.
    1. -1
      17 June 2021 07: 34
      Quote: certero
      To be honest, I'm scared of the voting results.
      Half voted that they were not going to get vaccinated.

      And I'm glad that at least half are not zombified.
  26. +4
    17 June 2021 07: 31
    Israel, yesterday:
    28,056 tests for covid - 0.1% positive, 28 infected per day
    5,485,962 vaccinated, 699 per day
    active patients 231, minus 1 per day
    839,720 were ill with covid
    number of vaccinated by age category:

    -------------------------------------
    Since the day before yesterday all restrictions removed... Masks are no longer needed either indoors or in transport (except for an airplane). Everything works as it did before covid.
    https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 07: 54
      Quote: professor
      Israel, yesterday:


      If you believe the Russian distributors of covidosis, then all this is useless, since new strains appear and
      you can get sick again in spite of the vaccination.
      On the other hand, the example of Israel can be used to verify the veracity of these statements.
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 10: 55
        Quote: Normal
        If you believe the Russian distributors of covidosis, then all this is useless, since new strains appear and
        you can get sick again in spite of the vaccination.

        Personally, on TV, channel Russia 24, in the spring or summer of 2020 (I don't remember exactly) I saw the speech of some expert who, answering the questions of a journalist, said that the appearance of new mutations of this virus is extremely unlikely.
        Maybe we still have a lot to learn. feel
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 11: 24
          Quote: KKND
          the emergence of new mutations of this virus is extremely unlikely.

      2. -2
        17 June 2021 18: 01
        Quote: Normal
        If you believe the Russian distributors of covidosis, then all this is useless, since new strains appear and
        you can get sick again in spite of the vaccination.
        On the other hand, the example of Israel can be used to verify the veracity of these statements.

        What vaccines were used in Israel?
        "The following COVID-19 vaccines have been approved in Israel:
        Modern
        Pfizer / BioNTech
        Source: Government of Israel
        Current vaccination statistics as of 16.06.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX (Israel)
        Population 9 thousand
        Number of vaccinated 5 487%
        Fully vaccinated 5 147%
        Total vaccinations 10"
        What do you want to compare? Are these vaccines with Sputnik?
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 19: 28
          Quote: Overlock
          What vaccines were used in Israel?
          ................................................................
          What do you want to compare? Are these vaccines with Sputnik?


          I didn't write compare. I wrote "check".
          Check the possibility of infection with a new strain of covid already vaccinated. Which vaccine in this case does not really matter in this context.
          In any case, until the different effects of vaccines on new strains of the virus are established.
    2. 0
      17 June 2021 10: 02
      Tell me, but it cannot be, purely theoretically, that the virus mutates over time, like, for example, the influenza virus and learns to bypass the immune defense of a vaccinated person? Moreover, could it be that the new stamp of the virus will more infect the vaccinated than those who have been ill / not ill?
    3. +2
      17 June 2021 15: 31
      Israel, yesterday:

      Yes, I had no doubt that the Jews are not fools.
      And in your medicine too.
      The fight against cancer alone deserves a lot of respect.
    4. +1
      17 June 2021 16: 11
      I hope our boobies will read you and think: "Hey! These Jews do know something again! I ought to give me a vaccine too!"
      1. +1
        17 June 2021 16: 59
        Yeah, and our ,, dunce ,, read that the Israeli Jews are pushing the vaccination here and think, hey, these Jews know something, you should be on your guard! lol
      2. +1
        17 June 2021 19: 18
        Quote: moscowp
        I hope our boobies will read you and think: “Hey! These Jews do know something again! I ought to give me a vaccination too!"

        Definitely. Faizer. good
        1. +1
          17 June 2021 19: 24
          Yes, Pfizer worked well with us. Reliable company. Not a bad statistic on a sample of 6000000 ... Units went for "whiskey".
  27. 0
    17 June 2021 08: 04
    There are 800 yards of greenery in the pod. Change the yard to rubles and pay 1000 rubles for each injection. It will take over 35 million people with two components. In my opinion this is cool and will definitely work!
  28. +2
    17 June 2021 08: 08
    Author Evgeny Fedorov
    A deputy of the United Russia known for his demagoguery, or is he just a namesake and namesake?
    If the first, then in order to believe him you must have a very specific mindset.
    If the latter, then I would rather believe the author with the name and surname Vral Demagogin.
  29. +7
    17 June 2021 08: 15
    My father died in 5 days, he just burned out, at 12 they called and asked how, they answered, it was consistently severe, and at three they called us, died, he had 1 degree diabetes, a sharp release of sugar, and the body could not cope, from which he died , from diabetes, yes, what provoked, covid, I'm waiting for a satellite to be approved in our country, and I'll go get vaccinated, and also, yesterday I read the calculations of the Hungarians in the ternet, look, very interesting, they used the first satellite, and you I advise you to get vaccinated, yes, you can get infected with covid, but it is easier to transfer, many times
    1. -4
      17 June 2021 08: 47
      It is profitable for hospitals to recognize everything as a virus - for each patient they pay the hospital 200000r !!!
    2. 0
      17 June 2021 12: 06
      My father died in 5 days, he just burned out, at 12 they called, asked how, they answered, he was consistently severe, and at three they called us, he died, he had 1 degree diabetes

      Sorry, unfortunately this is how it works. Diabetics have almost no chance.
  30. +11
    17 June 2021 08: 43
    I also thought it would blow it - it did ... 3 weeks in intensive care. Miraculously survived. Already 9 months have passed, and the consequences are still there. Relatives after that quickly all took root, who competed faster. I was vaccinated after 6 months. A colleague is just one of the dissidents - I won't, the effect has not been proven, but what for ... is now in the same hospital. And he is no longer laughing because, like me, 50+. Although Kovid does not care how old you are. True, after vaccination, many re-picked up ... but easily. For those who do not believe that this is ... well, I can say - the most serious illness that I had. I will not wish on the enemy, it is too painful. Feet in hand and escape to be vaccinated, capturing relatives.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 12: 08
      I also thought it would blow it - it did ... 3 weeks in intensive care.

      You may be joking, but you really got carried away.
      And I have already five close friends died and three became disabled.
      Moreover, these three are less than 50.
  31. -1
    17 June 2021 09: 05
    My good friend's father died after being vaccinated. I knew him personally. This Sunday will be 40 days. An ulcer opened, pneumonia was added to the hospital. Everything happened in a few days. Moreover, he had not complained about the ulcer before, he was on a strict post. About pneumonia is generally not clear where it came from.
    1. -4
      17 June 2021 12: 09
      My good friend's father died after being vaccinated.

      And everyone who ate cucumbers in 1812 also died. A terrible poison.
  32. -11
    17 June 2021 09: 13
    It is necessary to forcibly vaccinate. For refusal - deprivation of all medical assistance. An exception should be made only for those to whom the vaccination can be dangerous, due to some kind of disease.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 10: 32
      Quote: Malkavianin
      It is necessary to forcibly vaccinate. For refusal - deprivation of all medical assistance.

      But what if the virus subsequently mutates and learns to bypass the protection of the vaccinated, like the flu virus? Re-forcibly vaccinate everyone, and then again? Uh, I mean again ...
      1. -4
        17 June 2021 10: 52
        Throw this idea to the vaccine scientists. And then they apparently do not know.
        1. +1
          17 June 2021 10: 59
          Quote: Malkavianin
          Throw this idea to the vaccine scientists. And then they apparently do not know.

          Scientists don't know what? What a virus can mutate? Or are they all so leading that they have invented a vaccine that once and for all creates protection against this virus? Well, of course it can be. It remains for them only from a bunch of other old viruses to come up with a vaccine since they are so omnipotent. wassat
      2. +2
        17 June 2021 12: 16
        Re-forcibly vaccinate everyone, and then again?

        Damn, why are you all asking basic questions to which there are answers on every pillar?
        Again, if the mutation is such that the vaccine becomes ineffective.
        Therefore, all vaccines are tested for effectiveness against new strains.
        First in a test tube, then just statistically.
        So far, no such mutations have been found after which a new vaccine must be made.
        BUT, NOW ATTENTION!
        If the virus circulates in multibillion-dollar populations, such a mutation will ALWAYS happen.
        Therefore, it is important to vaccinate BEFORE such a mutation. Then the number of sick people will be thousands, not billions, and the probability of such a mutation will drop by a factor of thousands.
        1. -2
          17 June 2021 12: 25
          Quote: bk316
          Damn, why are you all asking basic questions to which there are answers on every pillar?

          Quote: bk316
          So far, no such mutations have been found after which a new vaccine must be made.
          BUT, NOW ATTENTION!
          If the virus circulates in multibillion-dollar populations, such a mutation will ALWAYS happen.

          No need to shout. The virus is already circulating in huge populations around the world and there have been reports of new strains (mutations) for a long time.
          Quote: bk316
          Therefore, it is important to vaccinate BEFORE such a mutation.

          We have already tried to vaccinate against the influenza virus, including in our country. Then they realized that it was useless. Do you 100% exclude the likelihood that history will repeat itself as with the influenza virus?
          1. +1
            17 June 2021 12: 32
            The virus is already circulating in huge populations around the world and there have been reports of new strains (mutations) for a long time.

            Of course, but for now such there was no mutation. And in the largest populations, vaccination is at its fastest (USA PRC INDIA)

            Do you 100% exclude the likelihood that history will repeat itself as with the influenza virus?

            firstly you're lying they have been vaccinated against influenza every year for 30 years already. Look at the vaccination calendar. That is why mortality from influenza in the Russian Federation is one of the smallest in the world.

            secondly by 140% laughing the mutability of this virus is less, so it will not be like a flu, but I repeat, if it doesn’t cope with it in a year, it may be necessary to make a new vaccine.
            1. -2
              17 June 2021 12: 48
              Quote: bk316
              First of all, you are lying against the flu. They have been vaccinated every year for 30 years already. Look at the vaccination calendar. That is why mortality from influenza in the Russian Federation is one of the smallest in the world.

              AND? Would you like to say that fewer die from the flu thanks to vaccinations? And many percent of the population get vaccinated against the flu every year? Will you shine here with figures close to 50%? wassat You're not lying, are you? wink Is herd immunity from influenza provided every year? That’s not a problem, it’s something he, the flu, has not disappeared at all. Even some dangerous strains appear like "Bird" or "Pig". Where is the defense, Zin? tongue
              Quote: bk316
              secondly, the mutability of this virus is 140% less, so it won't be like with the flu,

              To use the "meme" you need to write 146%.
              Well, given the origins of the "meme", believing you is like believing television. Most importantly, then, if it turns out not to be so, you cannot call for an answer.
              1. 0
                17 June 2021 13: 27
                Would you like to say that fewer die from the flu thanks to vaccinations? And many percent of the population get vaccinated against the flu every year?

                In 2019, 30% of the population was vaccinated. In risk groups (children of school age) about 80%. So yes, it is quite enough to ensure low mortality. And taking into account those who had recovered and the lower virulence of influenza, immunity was. There have been no outbreaks of avian and swine flu in the Russian Federation since 2015. And of course there is a vaccine against them and even is included in some kind of polyvalent. You at least a little bit into the topic then go in, and then is it really not a shame not to know such things?
                believing you is like believing television

                Are the arguments over? laughing
                1. -2
                  17 June 2021 14: 46
                  Can a link be 30 percent?
                  As for the fact that bird and swine flu has not been recorded since 2015, it is very surprising, probably because this virus mutates very quickly and manifests itself in seasons of weakening of human immunity. Something that the covid suspiciously resembles about the seasons. It's a shame not to know this.
                  But this is lyrics, a link to the studio for 30 percent of Russians vaccinated in 2019. Should be about 45 million? You won't get so many schoolchildren.
                  1. +4
                    17 June 2021 14: 49
                    link to the studio for 30 percent of the Russians vaccinated in 2019.

                    Yes to health.
                    https://www.rospotrebnadzor.ru/about/info/news/news_details.php?ELEMENT_ID=12940

                    Unlike very many in VO, I am always ready to answer for my words and admit my mistakes.

                    very surprising,

                    Well, you read something about this popular. Avian flu is generally a rare disease VERY rare compared to seasonal flu. And because it is practically not transmitted from person to person. I would even say it is not transmitted at all.
                    1. -4
                      17 June 2021 15: 19
                      I read your link it turns out from 10.07.2019 to 25.10.2019 i.e. 3 million Russians vaccinated in 16 months 43,4 days? Uh ... and now we only vaccinated 10% of covid? 14 million barely scraped off covid? And should I believe this statistic? This 146%? Why then, after school, no one ever offered to vaccinate me like all my friends for so many years? Yes, I, like them, for so many years have to go all chipped from the flu, even if not every year! wassat
                      Che so modestly wrote 43,4 million in 3 and a half months? Statistics!
                      Yes, by the way, 12 million children + 26,5 million adults + 4,8 million Russians not at the expense of the budget = 43,3 million people and not 43,4 million (In total, 43,4 million people were vaccinated (30% of the total population).) Che is very rude work. And che and so "eat".
                      Quote: bk316
                      Unlike very many in VO, I am always ready to answer for my words and admit my mistakes.

                      Well?
                      1. +2
                        17 June 2021 15: 29
                        You asked for a link, I sent you a proof, by the way I can now find the same figures from the WHO experts, but obscurantists do not care, they know better.

                        And should I believe this statistic?

                        These are your problems, I can explain why there is such a difference from vaccination against covid, but you are not interested in this.

                        Why then, after school, no one ever offered to vaccinate me like all my friends for so many years?

                        Probably because you are an anti-vaccine and are not at risk. Not a doctor, not a teacher, not a cook, and most importantly NOT a SCHOOLBOY.
                        Although here you are lying, every fall from the box rushes from the flu vaccine, in the subway announcements. During the prophylactic examination, they ask, advertising on the website of public services. And by the way, I suppose you are not undergoing medical examination?
                      2. -2
                        17 June 2021 15: 47
                        Quote: bk316
                        You asked for a link, I sent you a proof, by the way, I can now find the same numbers from the WHO specialists

                        Let's prove it from the WHO experts. I trust them more than our statistics with "glorious" traditions.
                        Quote: bk316
                        Probably because you are an anti-vaccine and are not at risk. Not a doctor, not a teacher, not a cook, and most importantly NOT a SCHOOLBOY.

                        You can't scrape together 43,4 million from all over the school, along with the entire staff. And together with the doctors too.
                        Quote: bk316
                        Although here you are lying, every fall from the box rushes from the flu vaccine, in the subway announcements.

                        There is such, but who responds to them? You can't dial either.
                        Quote: bk316
                        At the prophylactic examination they ask, advertising on the website of state services. And by the way, I suppose you are not undergoing medical examination?

                        Maybe, due to my age, I don't have too much experience, but I checked my health before hiring and at the enterprise itself. Analyzes were done about vaccinations and no one stuttered. Likewise, my parents have worked almost all their lives, I haven’t heard anything either, maybe later I’ll ask how often they did vaccinations, tests, and that’s all, and that is rare. What are 43,4 million in 3 and a half months? These are fairy tales from a parallel universe.
                        Okay, tell me why 43,4 million were drawn and not 43,3?
                      3. +2
                        17 June 2021 16: 22
                        tests were done about vaccinations, no one stuttered

                        Well, our corporate VHI includes a flu shot.

                        Why then, after school, no one ever offered to be vaccinated

                        every fall from the box rushes from flu shots

                        There is such, but who responds to them?

                        Are they offered? laughing

                        Let's get a proof from the WHO experts

                        I will look well, but by the way, I have already spent a lot of time on your education. laughing
                        You can't scrape together 43,4 million from all over the school, along with the entire staff.

                        I wrote schoolchildren vaccinated 8,5 million.

                        By the way, you asked a lot here about mutations. And it feels like you don't understand this either. I inform you.

                        All viruses mutate constantly every second, mutations that are useful for viruses happen, sometimes they are not useful and even fatal. The frequency of beneficial mutations that lead to the creation of a new virus strain is different for different types of viruses. The flu mutates very often, the coronavirus is less common. Adenoviruses are even rarer. So far, from the point of view of the disease, the new strain does not differ from the old one, except for specialists, no one pays attention to this, and the population will not even know about it. Therefore, when they say that the corona virus mutated 3 times, this means that such a mutation has occurred 3 times that the virus began to behave significantly differently. I believe that now there are really 2 varieties of Wuhan and Indian differences in the incubation period. This view is not from the point of view of a physician, but from the point of view of an epidemiologist. The flu has dozens of such mutations (I'm afraid to be mistaken) during its coexistence with humanity.

                        Now what about immunity. Of the mutations that have led to a change in the behavior of influenza, some do not affect the immune response in any way, and some lead to immunity insensitivity. The general principle is that natural immunity is inferior to vaccine immunity in this sense, and vector vaccines are better than classical ones. I can explain why, but it takes a long time. It follows from this that sooner or later a new vaccine must be given. IF only not to eradicate the disease altogether. However, the fewer patients, the less the likelihood of such a mutation for a certain period, OR VERSATIALLY, the longer the period for reaching a certain probability.

                        The question of whether the presence of immunity can negatively affect the course of the disease from a mutated virus is purely theoretical. The answer is such a mutation is possible but extremely unlikely in vivo.

                        Wow, I will soon sprinkle on a popular science article. laughing
                      4. 0
                        17 June 2021 16: 34
                        Quote: bk316
                        By the way, you asked a lot here about mutations. And it feels like you don't understand this either. I inform you.

                        Don’t tell me that almost everyone already knows.
                        Specifically, answer for the numbers 43,4 million people in 3 months 16 days. Why are there so many adults?
                        Quote: bk316
                        Well, our corporate VHI includes a flu shot.

                        I am ready to admit that some enterprises in the Russian Federation can vaccinate their workers. The most important question is how in these 3 and a half months 26,5 million adults were scraped up only at the expense of the budget? There are not so many teachers and doctors in the country.
                        Why, then, is not 26,5 million already vaccinated against covid? Che, then, the numbers do not agree at all. Be responsible for your words and not hit the lyrics. Or is the proof no longer proof?
                      5. +3
                        17 June 2021 16: 57
                        Here is Voz's document as the truth on risk groups wanted for previous years. But the coverage rates are the same.
                        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X17317620

                        Don’t tell me that almost everyone already knows.

                        Why then are you asking questions if you know?

                        Why, then, is not 26,5 million already vaccinated against covid?


                        The answer should be obvious even to those stubborn like you.

                        1. Vaccines have not produced that much. For the flu, the vaccine was prepared in advance. And here it is gradually increasing, in some places there are still queues.
                        2. Children were not vaccinated, you subtract 43 from 8 million. Get 35 Million.
                        3. There was not such a frenzied campaign against influenza vaccination as against the corona.

                        And now the main thing... 35 million pre-prepared vaccinations have been given against influenza. And now how many corona vaccinations have been made today?
                        33 703 376 BINGO! The numbers matched. Do you still have doubts?

                        And that would finally calm down. Scroll through the screen and look at the poll result 39% laughing
                      6. -3
                        17 June 2021 17: 45
                        Quote: bk316
                        Here is Voz's document as the truth on risk groups wanted for previous years. But the coverage rates are the same.
                        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X17317620

                        I am impressed by your polite and correct attempt to argue, so I will turn off the rude teenager. So the link clearly states:
                        The number of vaccine doses distributed in the Region in 2008/2009, compared to 2014/2015, increased from 60 to 68 million doses (data based on countries for which information was available for both seasons; n = 31). This net regional increase was mainly due to increases in five countries; the Russian Federation (10.8 million),

                        That is, it turns out that in 2014 \ 2015 in the Russian Federation, a total of 10,8 million doses were distributed. The percentage distributions that you may have assumed for the overall vaccine coverage rate are among old people, pregnant women, children and other segments of the population and not the total percentage of the population of the Russian Federation.
                        If, as I understand it, 2 million vaccines were distributed in the Russian Federation in 2014 seasons in 2015 \ 11 (you can logically believe), then what 43,4 million doses in 2019 can we talk about in one season? Naturally, there was no talk about 30% of the population at that time, which was the beginning of our main dispute about the flu.
                        Quote: bk316
                        Children were not vaccinated, you subtract 43 from 8 million. Get 35 Million.

                        12 million children are indicated a little wrong, there are fewer adults. There are so many children in the Russian Federation.
                        Quote: bk316
                        And now the main thing. 35 million pre-prepared vaccinations have been given against influenza. And now how many corona vaccinations have been done so far?
                        33 703 376 BINGO! The numbers matched. Do you still have doubts?

                        Something you are completely confused in your own numbers. There are 31 million adults from the Flu. So there are plenty of doubts. Statistics, in general, misinformation for the inhabitants and enemies of the state, any important data about the state of states are not advertised, or completely secret, since they inform potential opponents about their weaknesses or strengths, but I am so, lyrics. hi
                      7. -2
                        17 June 2021 18: 10
                        Quote: bk316
                        now the main thing. 35 million pre-prepared vaccinations have been given against influenza. And now how many corona vaccinations have been made today?
                        33 703 376 BINGO! The numbers matched. Do you still have doubts?

                        I just noticed that everything does not match at all. 33,7 million vaccinations must be divided by 2 to get the number of vaccinations. And for flu, EMNIP only one vaccination per person.
                      8. +2
                        17 June 2021 19: 30
                        And for flu, EMNIP only one vaccination per person.

                        Sure. I will repeat the number of flu shots in 19 for 3 months and now it practically coincides with covid, and the number of vaccinated differs by about 2 times. Well, the resources (both time and money and production capacity) required for production and the vaccination itself do not depend on the number of vaccinated people, but on the number of vaccinations (injections). So everything fits together.

                        About Voz's document. Regarding the fact that this is not the coverage of the entire population, but of the elderly, I myself wrote to you,
                        Here is Voz's document as they wanted truth by risk groups and for previous years

                        If you believe that the percentage of the adult population with influenza vaccination is much less than in the age group> 65, then this is not the case.
                        I can find WHO data for the entire population, but let's do it yourself. Search in the same place.

                        In general, since you really want to seriously look at various statistics, then I will open a secret that the public data of our state (Rosstat, various supervisors and ministries) very rarely differ greatly from the corresponding official international ones. Literally everything and demographics and medicine and crops and production converge. AND YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO FUCK WITHOUT PUNISHMENT IN PARTICULAR, BUT NOT IN GREAT. By the way, this also applies to elections, and you can lie to any ratings of 5-6%, 10% is already being caught. And not by the method "if only it were so with us all at the entrance" ... but strictly mathematically. We were taught this laughing

                        By the way. It seems like you wrote that none of your friends were vaccinated ...
                        Now look at the voting results, 39% were vaccinated. Moreover, the sample is rather large - 331 people. It can be calculated, but I will say that the margin of error at this sample size is <9%. How did it happen? A question for the most elementary understanding of matstat ...
                      9. -3
                        17 June 2021 19: 46
                        Quote: bk316
                        Of course, I will repeat the number of flu shots in 19 in 3 months and now it practically coincides with covid, and the number of vaccinated people differs by about 2 times.

                        Yes, here I misunderstood.
                        Quote: bk316
                        I can find WHO data for the entire population, but let's do it yourself. Search in the same place.

                        10.8 million doses for 2014 \ 2015 are also written there, or I misunderstood again?
                        Quote: bk316
                        In general, since you really want to seriously look at various statistics, then I will open a secret that the public data of our state (Rosstat, various supervisors and ministries) very rarely differ greatly from the corresponding official international ones.

                        Well, this is just the difference between 43 million doses versus 11 million. And what earlier did our government not overestimate its production indicators and other data for the purpose of internal propaganda? It is useless / unnecessary to deceive partners in some data, but a good old tradition to hang noodles on your population. Or how can such a discrepancy in numbers be explained? And once again, such a frantic rate of vaccinations as 31 million for 3,5 months a season would certainly be known to ordinary people (tortured to prick!) And something among the people is not in the mood for hearing. And from the point of view of internal propaganda, it is very understandable (medicine got up from its knees!).
                      10. +1
                        17 June 2021 20: 12
                        10.8 million doses for 2014 \ 2015 are also written there, or I misunderstood again?

                        Incorrectly translated laughing This increase from 9 to 15 was 10 million.
                        Translate the entire paragraph it says that the total in Europe has increased from 60 to 68 million. The increment is in five countries and the increments are given. A total of 16 million. And in half of the countries, a total reduction of 8 million. 16-8 = 8 = 68-60. It all came together.

                        By the way, in 2014 \ 2015 is not two seasons, but one winter season.

                        So you don't have to look everywhere for the machinations of the darkest laughing
                        And from the point of view of internal propaganda, it is very understandable (medicine got up from its knees!).
                      11. 0
                        17 June 2021 20: 37
                        Quote: bk316
                        Incorrectly translated

                        I know English quite well (relatively wassat )
                        The number of vaccine doses distributed in the Region in 2008/2009, compared to 2014/2015, increased from 60 to 68 million doses (data based on countries for which information was available for both seasons; n = 31). This net regional increase was mainly due to increases in five countries; the Russian Federation (10.8 million), Belarus (3.2 million), Kazakhstan (1.2 million), Israel (0.8 million), and Portugal (0.5 million). Half of the countries reported a decline in number of doses distributed (ranging from 5000 to 2.7 million) in the seven year period representing a total of 8.7 million doses.

                        The number of vaccine doses distributed in the Region in 2008/2009, compared to 2014/2015, increased from 60 to 68 million doses (data based on countries for which information was available for both seasons; n = 31). This net regional craze was mainly due to an increase in 5 countries; RF (10.8 million), Belarus (3,2 million), Kazakhstan (1,2 million), Israel (0,8 million), and Portugal (0,5 million). Half of the countries reported a reduction in the number of doses distributed (ranged from 5000 to 2,7 million) over a seven-year period, representing a total of 8,7 million doses. (My translation).
                        Hmm ... What can I say? I was completely wrong! It all fits together.
                        Quote: bk316
                        So you don't have to look everywhere for the machinations of the darkest

                        Hmm ... But what about "pro-salipolymers?" crying
                        Hmm ....
                      12. +1
                        17 June 2021 20: 44
                        I was completely wrong! It all fits together.

                        Dont be upset. I was mistaken a hundred times like you translate everything is clear, but you miss the context and you get bullshit. Then you look and think that something is wrong. drinks
                        But what about "pro-salipolymers?"

                        And some kind of polymers really shit about, but that's a completely different topic. laughing
  33. 0
    17 June 2021 09: 25
    Here in our county town I registered for the vaccination. I came at the appointed time. But there is no vaccine, it’s over. The application was made, when they bring it, we don’t know. And I went scorching in the sun, repeating ... God not judge them ... other ...
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 12: 17
      And there is no vaccine, it's over.

      Ugliness. Come to Moscow, everyone is vaccinated here.
  34. 0
    17 June 2021 09: 32
    that everyone who is not vaccinated is an element of the transmission of the virus to another

    You can argue with that. Vaccination is just personal protection. The virus itself can be passed on.
    1. -1
      17 June 2021 12: 19
      You can argue with that.

      You can argue with the fact that the earth is round if you do not understand anything.
      The virus can be transmitted further, the probability of transmission is THOUSAND times less.
      1. -1
        17 June 2021 22: 14
        Quote: bk316
        Unlike very many in VO, I am always ready to answer for my words and admit my mistakes.

        Are you sure? Well ... I take it at my word.

        Quote: bk316
        the probability of transmission is THOUSAND times less.

        On what basis is this statement based?
        Can you justifiably confirm THIS with references to the research results of authoritative, not interested, trustworthy in this matter, independent organizations?
  35. +2
    17 June 2021 09: 32
    Three friends of mine left the covid before the deadline. They also laughed. I don't really care, nothing takes me, and I saw nothing like that. People just burned out in 3-4 days.
    I myself had been ill exactly on New Year's Eve. Pneumonia. But I got out, got a little hooked. I got vaccinated and I advise you.
    In general, I think that it should be made mandatory. So it will be in a couple of weeks.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 12: 20
      Three friends of mine left the covid before the deadline. They also laughed.

      That's how we live...
  36. BAI
    +7
    17 June 2021 09: 44
    1.
    in Moscow to win an apartment and a car after the injection!

    The apartment is in the Moscow region.
    2. And now - from arrogant shameless personal experience, and not truthful assurances from the TV.
    I have 3 people vaccinated in my family. Me, wife and daughter. My wife and I got sick. Well, the mother-in-law had not yet been vaccinated, everyone was specially vaccinated so as not to touch the old cancer patient. Those. 3 vaccinated - 2 sick. The effectiveness of the vaccine is 33%! There are no 96 and not close, everything is crap! Therefore, WHO and the European Commission do not communicate with Sputnik. They, for sure, have more objective data than they hang us from TV, and do not want to get involved. If they release this vaccine to the Western market, then later they will lose their positions and will be disregarded in lawsuits, with which the sick will fill them up. And the carve-up of the market is a secondary matter here. The main thing is that the satellite does not correspond to the declared characteristics.
    It is not in vain that statements are made at the highest medical level:
    "We need to vaccinate one component from Sputnik, and the other from Western vaccine."
    "After Sputnik, re-vaccination with another vaccine is required."
    Those. our medical leaders are well aware of the low efficiency of the Sputnik, but they continue to hang noodles on the ears of the viewers.
    1. +6
      17 June 2021 10: 17
      Quote: BAI
      The main thing is that the satellite does not correspond to the declared characteristics.

    2. -6
      17 June 2021 12: 25
      The effectiveness of the vaccine is 33%!

      Lack of mathematical education is felt.
      1. On a single case, you can not judge about anything.
      2. And how many times did you come into contact with the virus before you got sick, not in the family 100 times 200? Got it?
      3 Sputnik is already on the western market.
      4. It is necessary to be revaccinated. In a year.
      5. If I really would recommend modernity to choose, but any vaccine is better than none
      1. BAI
        0
        17 June 2021 17: 55
        Lack of mathematical education is felt.
        1. On a single case, you can not judge about anything.

        One feels that you have a very great deal.
        1. I repeat once again: I judge by arrogant, shameless personal experience, and not by statistics.
        2. As the classics said, which even GDPR refers to:
        "There are lies, big lies and statistics."
        Believe TV - the flag is in your hands, I will not argue. Otherwise, people will not notice the difference between us.
  37. +17
    17 June 2021 09: 48
    ... In the end, we ourselves create a wide field for mutation for SARS-CoV-2.

    Of course, we ourselves are to blame for the fact that personalities in leadership are very far from life. We destroyed 40% of infectious beds, we reduced the number of medical workers and operating hospitals, we are constantly deceiving ourselves, listening to new promises from the authorities, we are not taking timely restrictive measures by releasing and launching airplanes with the elite in burning Europe, we are starting vaccination work with vaccines that have not passed clinical trials, it is we who classify the results of vaccinations and morbidity, shouting about the best medicine in the world, then receiving -500 thousand of the population of excess mortality. This is all of us, when we believe, but they lie to us. After vaccinations in the same rotting America, 5 thousand people died, and our office, which in the last 15 years has not invented anything, suddenly in how many months invented a superwaffle and is trying to inject everyone with it, having classified the results of these injections. This is all of us, the author is right. The only thing left is not to stand in the way of the movement of the herd, waiting for a miracle or bringing vaccines to mind. Hope dies last.
    Ps suffered covid twice without vaccines, I am not going to get vaccinated. But! Vaccination is a personal matter, everyone decides for himself!
    1. 0
      18 June 2021 14: 21
      Dear almost colleague, that year I had to be urgently vaccinated with an anti-rabies vaccine, after, within a year, various diseases began to creep out, and now I am now very wet with such a wunderwolf
      1. -2
        18 June 2021 20: 58
        Quote: ivagulin
        I am now very dull pounding such a wunderwolf

        Me too. I want an antipatriotic Pfizer
  38. -5
    17 June 2021 10: 06
    By the way, the readings of the voting counter about the vaccination lead to the conclusion that there are Israelis with their high percentage of vaccinated ...
    -----------
    ***
    “If the Russian people decided to challenge natural selection, they cannot be dissuaded by bribing cars and apartments, no. The Russian people cannot be confused, operating with formal logic and a reference to international practice. Neither the government of our Federation, nor Russian doctors will outsmart it. and scientists are the developers of the world's best vaccines against coronavirus infection, because the Russian people can only outwit the Russian people themselves.

    Somewhere in a parallel universe (not ours, of course), the state will not be tortured in the end with this intellectual impassability and will not drive everyone at the new peak of the epidemic to mass vaccinations. Somewhere in a parallel universe, the Russian Federation will remain 90% unvaccinated country, and when aliens come to it, on the ruins of past achievements it will be met by a flourishing agrarian civilization numbering a couple of tens of thousands of people.

    - Were you more here? - aliens will be surprised.
    - Well, it was.
    - Where did everyone go?
    - Dead. Those who have not died have left.
    - Wow! - the aliens will whistle. - What happened?
    - Yes, the flu is common, - the survivors will shrug their shoulders.
    - So you learned how to treat the flu long ago?
    - Well, this is such a fierce flu, then. With damage to the lungs, loss of smell, in some cases - hearing, and severe consequences after recovery. Fibrosis and hypertension of the lungs there - and this is not the worst thing.
    - So what? Didn't have time to invent a vaccine? - the aliens will ask.
    - How could you not! - Russians from a parallel universe chuckle. - In the first year, the government made three pieces.
    - There were bad vaccines, right?
    - Yes, it is not clear, - the survivors will give up, - we didn’t get vaccinated.
    - Why weren't you vaccinated?
    “Look, well, this is an untested drug. You need to wait at least ten years to make sure that it has no side effects. We're not stupid to inject anything into ourselves. Then - it is not clear, what if there is some side effect on the genitourinary system and green children will be born like yours. And this ... - the survivors will go over in a whisper. - There was a version, Natakha told us from a nearby entrance that the world government itself created this new flu in order to bring the population to the golden billion. And whoever was not killed by the flu, they decided to inoculate with the components of this flu. Do you understand?
    - For what? - the aliens will not understand.
    - You are like little children. There are few resources on Earth, but there are many people, therefore, some must be killed or not allowed to multiply. So that there are fewer people and enough resources for everyone.
    - About how it is now? - looking back at the powerful agrarian power, the aliens will ask.
    - Well, uh ... Hm.
    - Clearly. Can I talk to Natakha from the next door? We are conducting research for the intergalactic Red Data Book, we have a purely scientific interest.
    - You can't. She was one of the first to die of the flu. She was a smart woman. But flimsy.
    - Sorry. And what happened to the vaccinated?
    - So how many of those vaccinated were there? Percentage of 10% of the population, there were not so many fools in the country. We told them right away that their vaccines would not work.
    - Why didn't they work?
    - Well, they injected, and the rest did not. The flu mutated, mutated, until it finally mutated to a strain that their untested vaccine did not protect against.
    - Clear. And, it turns out, along the way of all the rest of this flu, too ... That?
    - Well yes. But the strongest and smartest survived. The herd immunity of the population has been achieved. Now, here, we plant potatoes, grow an onion, walk with spears on an elk and a bear.
    - You are great. - the aliens will tell them then. - You are great. We already started to worry because of your civilization, you developed too quickly, but really - well done. Plant potatoes, grow onions and take care of your Nata from the next doorway. They will not advise bad. "(C)
  39. -1
    17 June 2021 10: 10
    Just like the author of the article, I do not understand all those who do not want to be vaccinated. The whole family and the family of a brother and a father at the age of 72 took root in our country (although he had been ill in the winter). And I will say from the experience of my father, mother-in-law and father-in-law that the pain is much worse than after vaccination (fever and withdrawal for one day).
    And about the unvaccinated, I agree with one of the commentators above: "... the dumb ones do not understand that they are stupid ..." My wife is also told about the dangers of compulsory vaccinations for children, young mothers, like a cousin of a second cousin was vaccinated and ... And when asked if they want to bury the child after tetanus, they clap their eyes (which should be buried right away).
    With vaccines against Covid, everything is simple:
    1. Covid is a dangerous and fatal disease and mows down everyone, young and old, while leaving behind strong side effects on health. Nobody disputes this anymore. And in fact, if the vaccine even simply reduces the risk of getting sick or alleviates the disease, then it is worth getting it.
    2. If the vaccine was as harmful as many are trying to tell, then, given that it is already used in more than 60 countries, our good friends / enemies would have trumpeted long ago. And since this does not exist, it means that, in principle, it is not harmful to humans. Isolated cases, if they were, fit into the statistics (such as an allergic reaction to any substance in some people).
    And you shouldn't tell me that we are silent about any consequences of vaccinations. We do not live behind the Iron Curtain - you can read the foreign press and watch foreign channels - they also do not write anything about the dangers of our vaccination there! request
    1. +9
      17 June 2021 10: 33
      Quote: Sfurei
      And you shouldn't tell me that we are silent about any consequences of vaccinations. We do not live behind the Iron Curtain - you can read the foreign press and watch foreign channels - they also do not write anything about the dangers of our vaccination there!

      It's clear business. In the decaying West, in the damned America, with its developed pharmaceutical industry, 5 thousand died after vaccination. And here, in a highly developed country, with the pharmaceutical industry for raw materials from China and packaging of tablets from the West, everything is fine! No complications after vaccination, no mortality after it. After all, HE makes our path mischievous, we are the elect. We can be vaccinated with cow urine - it will help laughing
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 11: 04
        Pharmaceutical raw materials - China and India ...... plus or minus everywhere. Growth of cleaning, manufacturers, etc. Asia is the forge of food and pharmaceutical chemistry all over the world. But it cannot develop and promote finished drugs.
      2. 0
        17 June 2021 11: 19
        Silvestr (Sylvester) How your comment relates to what I wrote is not clear. If the irony is that everything is bad with us, and everything is good with them, then I did not write about it. If everything is bad with them, and everything is fine with us, then this also did not happen ..
        All complications have long been registered and published. If you do not believe what they write with us, read what they write with them. If you find statistics of deaths in the countries using our vaccines, please send links - it will be interesting to read. Or did HE scare them too ??
        In the meantime, you can calmly wait for the covid to reach you in turn, and then continue to find fault with medicine and the country that it does not care about you. ))
        1. +3
          17 June 2021 13: 41
          Quote: Sfurei
          Find statistics of deaths in countries using our vaccines

          5 thousand deaths after vaccination in the United States.
          How many of them do we have in Russia? Are you expecting statistics from abroad, but do not want them from your native authorities?
          Quote: Sfurei
          How sideways your comment relates to what I wrote is not clear.

          Quote: Sfurei
          you can read the foreign press and watch foreign channels - they also do not write anything about the dangers of our vaccination there!

          Here I read the foreign press and I do not find anything like it with us. Here it is! Is there no prophet in your homeland?
          Quote: Sfurei
          In the meantime, you can calmly wait for the covid to reach you in turn, and then continue to find fault with medicine and the country that it does not care about you. ))

          I work in medicine, twice suffered covid, alive. More than 1000 dead doctors on duty due to lack of funds from IZ, chemistry with statistics, excess mortality in 3rd place in the world - cause for joy! The country has taken care of it - masks have appeared, and the payment for work with the covid has disappeared. Thank you country!
          1. +1
            18 June 2021 14: 56
            Silvestr (Sylvester) ". 5 thousand deaths after vaccination in the USA ..." - deaths from Covid after vaccination or deaths from vaccinations? You work in medicine - there is an understanding that this is a big difference !? Or not?
            And even if from vaccination, then when more than 10% of Americans (officially) fell ill, and more than 600 thousand died. And now more than 300 million were vaccinated in the United States and 5 thousand people died and the corona began to decline in the United States.
            Don't you feel like the facts are in favor of vaccination anyway?
            1. 0
              18 June 2021 20: 57
              Quote: Sfurei
              Don't you feel like the facts are in favor of vaccination anyway?

              In favor! But the Americans do not use ours, however, like Israel
              1. 0
                19 June 2021 13: 11
                Well, that is a given. In the same place, the grass is greener and jelly banks, etc ...))))
                Our vaccine, as I wrote earlier, is already used by more than 60 countries, and for some reason I have not heard someone shouting abroad that our vaccine is bad !! Cheap - yes, while working - yes. But so that harmful or some other defective - did not hear. However, I repeat myself, the answer to your last comment was already voiced by me above.
                It seems that you are just writing in order to write. Good luck.
    2. -1
      17 June 2021 11: 05
      These are uneducated people .... - parasites, parasitizing the rest of the (vaccinated) society ...... and thinking that they are so healthy and not ill with anything.
  40. -1
    17 June 2021 10: 36
    The state itself is to blame. Overly liberal podoschih for vaccination .... We must immediately enter the categories of people who must be 100% vaccinated: doctors, teachers, military, police and other special services ..... trade. And those who travel abroad: if you want to fly, get vaccinated.
    1. +5
      17 June 2021 10: 53
      Quote: Zaurbek
      It is necessary to immediately introduce the categories of people who must be 100% vaccinated: doctors, teachers, military, police and other special services ..... trade.

      Your Wishlist. Against you:
      Constitution of the Russian Federation (Article 22), Universal Declaration of Human Rights of December 10.12.1948, 3 (Article 04.11.1950), Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of November 1, 5 (Part 17.09.1998 of Article 157), Federal Law of September 157, 21.11.2011 No. 323-FZ "On immunization of infectious diseases" (hereinafter - FZ No. 323), Federal Law of November 21.03.2014, 125 No. XNUMX-FZ "On the basics of protecting the health of citizens in the Russian Federation" (hereinafter - FZ No. XNUMX), Order of the Ministry of Health of Russia dated XNUMX .XNUMX No. XNUMXn "On Approval of the National Calendar of Preventive Vaccinations and the Calendar of Preventive Vaccinations for Epidemic Indications",
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 10: 59
        But this does not interfere with not taking unvaccinated children to the Kindergarten ..... Israel, for example, closed the borders and introduced a lockdown until the main% (60-70%) of the population took root.

        At least letting in and out of the country with the vaccine is quite normal.
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 11: 24
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Israel, for example, closed its borders and introduced a lockdown until the main% (60-70%) of the population took root.

          are you from Israel?
          1. +3
            17 June 2021 13: 17
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Israel, for example, closed its borders and introduced a lockdown until the main% (60-70%) of the population took root.

            are you from Israel?

            Israelis say it was tough ..
          2. 0
            20 June 2021 10: 24
            My comrade from there ... communicated by video throughout the pandemic.
  41. 0
    17 June 2021 10: 40
    Quote: Gardamir
    Why vaccinate someone who has been ill? After all, vaccination is a lighter version of the disease.

    Vaccination is a legal act. Voluntary transfer to a new jurisdiction. Transfer of rights. Therefore, it is necessary for THEM 60%, that on their behalf they will rule
    1. -3
      17 June 2021 11: 00
      And if you get infected and go to the hospital, they pay too. They ... and it's more expensive.
  42. +1
    17 June 2021 10: 47
    Behind the reluctance to get the vaccine, which is within walking distance, hides elementary selfishness.

    I see nothing to do with selfishness ..

    Inner unconscious self-love simply overshadows all arguments for collective good.
    What a loud syllable .. collective good .. * hand-face *

    By the way, I have here at hand yesterday's example of "collective good"
    Sobyanin allowed the vaccinated to sit on benches without restrictions
  43. +8
    17 June 2021 10: 47
    And for those who have had covid-19, should they be vaccinated or not?
    No one among doctors knows the answer to this simple question.
    And to those who, like me, according to the official diagnosis, had not been ill with covid, but with infectious pneumonia, and were discharged from the sick leave exactly one month after the beginning of the sick leave, since the therapist said that she could no longer keep me on sick leave, to be vaccinated against covid?
    On the site, I twice described in detail how I was not treated for covid-19, but I went to the clinic either to the usual zone, or to the "red" one every 3-5 days ... So I live in Severodvinsk, where there is medicine both regional and military, and from the FMBA of the Russian Federation, and not in the village of the timber industry on the right bank of the Northern Dvina, where, in case of freeze-up and ice drift, you can only fly by helicopter and 5-10 years ago the FAP is closed and there are no doctors for 20 km around ... And my eldest daughter is a doctor. She signed up my wife and me on the Internet, from the Moscow region, to Arkhangelsk in the city hospital No. 1 named after Volosevich, for a paid CT scan of the lungs. And having received our conclusions by phone on CT immediately in the Ministry of Health of the Arkhangelsk region, she called on the phone and asked directly on the mats: why they are not treating us and from whom and from whom the order for our murder ... On the website I already wrote that SEVMASH is implementing a program rehabilitation of those who have recovered from covid-19, sending them to a sanatorium-preventorium for 21 days. I have never officially worked at SEVMASH, I was only a representative of a counterparty enterprise and I do not fall under this program in any way ... And the youngest daughter reported in detail not long ago how Peter was preparing for a concert at Dvortsovaya Street for the guests of the Economic Forum. Our media outlets about this glorious feast during covid have painted vividly and vividly. There, everyone always observed a social distance, changed masks and gloves every hour, were vaccinated, probably 3-4 times with different vaccines ... The truth is that from the forum a person who fell ill with covid was sent from St. Petersburg to Moscow by "Sapsan" somehow for some reason, not all central channels reported ...
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 10: 55
      Quote: Tests
      And for those who have had covid-19, should they be vaccinated or not?

      see the level (IgM and IgG).
      if there is M, you are sick, if there is G, you are sick. Level G above normal - cannot be vaccinated
      1. +1
        17 June 2021 11: 01
        My parents were ill .... in a mild form and still they were sent for vaccination. 74 and 70 years old.
        1. +2
          17 June 2021 11: 25
          Quote: Zaurbek
          . in a mild form and still they were sent for vaccination. 74 and 70 years old.

          not properly. USA got fatality after vaccination of old people
          1. 0
            17 June 2021 13: 20
            Vaccines are different ...... each has its own limitations. Now we have 3pcs to choose from .......
  44. +6
    17 June 2021 11: 13
    From the article:
    In the world ranking, Russia is on ... 57th place in this parameter! Moreover, on June 15, our country is in sixth place in terms of the number of cases. Over the entire time of the pandemic, more than 127 thousand Russians died, and in mortality we are already the fifth in the world statistics.
    Well this is in absolute terms. Everything is fine here, tk. Russia is located in ninth place in the world population ranking.
    In fact, the little article is most reminiscent of a brisk advertisement for a pharmaceutical company producing a "panacea" for "world evil". laughing It is not clear only why to distort the deck so openly? Again from the article:
    The situation is similar with China. More than 420 million vaccinations have been made in the country, and this is not much compared to the 1,5 billion population. But Beijing managed to organize its own citizens into a real antique army. Decades of China's struggle with respiratory syndromes of varying severity have already formed herd immunity. Not in the blood, but in the minds of the Chinese.
    Is China ahead of Russia again? And nothing that at the moment this very "wonderfully organized China" takes the honorable NINTH place in the world ANTI-RATING in terms of the percentage of deaths from the number of SARS-CoV-2 infected right after such "helluva lot of developed" countries of the world as Yemen, Western Sahara, Peru, Mexico, Sudan, Syria, Egypt and Somalia?
    As we can see from the above sample, in "unconscious" Russia, the relative mortality from SARS-CoV-2 is more than 2 times lower than in "conscious" China.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 13: 21
      And at the same time ..... we do not want to be vaccinated
  45. +10
    17 June 2021 11: 25
    We have learned to manipulate numbers well. Firstly, the third wave is needed by the celestials in order to hold elections via the Internet, and then they will draw the result that is necessary. Secondly, reluctance to get vaccinated, this is distrust of the government. We were deceived too many times. Thirdly, our federal media rang out all the channels. that people are dying from Western vaccines. And where is the guarantee that they will not die from ours. In our small town, two healthy men died of blood clots after a satellite. This is the end of the vaccination, there are simply no people willing.
    1. +5
      17 June 2021 11: 44
      And there is something incomprehensible with Sister Shoigu. She died of a stroke amid coronavirus, but they write that she took root. I've already signed up for the vaccine twice, and then canceled it, I'm afraid of complications after it.
      1. +1
        18 June 2021 22: 10
        Quote: tatra
        And there is something incomprehensible with Sister Shoigu. She died of a stroke amid coronavirus, but they write that she took root. I've already signed up for the vaccine twice, and then canceled it, I'm afraid of complications after it

        What, are the enemies of the communists again?))
    2. 0
      21 June 2021 13: 40
      I completely agree with you, I also think that in a very strange way everyone shouted about the 3rd wave in unison, well, it's not just that all this, there must be a reason. We'll see the clue soon. As when, in January, Vova gave a hint about the bad constitution, and everything was revealed only in March - Vova just wanted to sit in the bunker all his life.
  46. +1
    17 June 2021 11: 28
    Add the option "Become ill" to the questionnaire, the picture is incomplete without it.
  47. +2
    17 June 2021 11: 57
    My category is 65+. I was ill last autumn, not hard, without hospitalization. But after recovery, chronic diseases worsened.
    If the antibodies decrease, I will vaccinate, I do not want to risk it. It's my choice.
    And here is the second story. The son worked for seven months in the red zone, in its epicenter, in the intensive care unit, the head of which he works. According to the stories, there are a lot of young 30-45 years old, of both sexes, but there are much more males. What "brought" them there? The doctor concluded the banal self-confidence that is inherent in these ages. I have lived, I know everything and I can, my opinion is defining and the only correct one, and I have called in more than one child.
    And the guys burn out very quickly, because they are late asking for help, wasting time discussing the disease on the Internet.
    And last, the doctor didn't trust vaccinations either. However, after the department was brought back to normal operation, he and all his non-sick employees fell ill. As soon as I recovered, I immediately ran to get vaccinated, mind it not me, mind it not me. For reference, he is 38, work experience and experience are decent, there is an academic degree.
    I do not urge anyone to run to get vaccinated. But to think, soberly weigh everything and accept one thing, the right one. It's obvious.
    I beg your pardon for a lot of words, age "ponish ..." wink
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 12: 25
      It would be appropriate here to cite the opinion of the famous epidemiologist Igor Gundarov
      (everyone should look in a search engine,) as he claims, the quote "how truthful doctors are in their diagnoses, is it profitable for them to overestimate the numbers or not. Western medicine is mainly commercial, where a large insurance is paid for a COVID-19 patient: the more such patients The doctors broke down for a lot of money. And our doctors, who still retained the ideology of Soviet medicine in their souls, are more conscientious. They are ashamed to indicate the cause of death of the coronavirus if a person died from other diseases. For example, in St. Petersburg, a hospital receives 200 thousand rubles a day for a "covid" patient with a severe degree (about a similar practice in Moscow, when 200 thousand rubles are paid for each identified patient with coronavirus), and Gundarov also says that covid will not work. as long as traders will produce vaccines that is, covid and commerce become inseparable.
  48. -2
    17 June 2021 12: 16
    I read the opinions here, compared a few numbers ... Something I got a budget for health care comparable ... with the Russian budget for 2021 for Israel, in which somewhere around 6000 million people have been vaccinated. It turns out the same burden on the budget as in Russia, where 12 million people were vaccinated, but the vaccine of its own production, that is, clearly 2 times cheaper.
    Conclusion - spinning now the flywheel of a universal fraud is simply economically costly on a free basis.
    1. +1
      17 June 2021 13: 28
      Israel vaccinated 6 billion people?
  49. -4
    17 June 2021 12: 46
    Quote: okrd
    Why not
    5. Send the unvaccinated to concentration camps.?
    Terror is so terror, why stop at half measures?

    I have a question. In the USSR, many dangerous infections were eradicated by vaccinations. And that's right, that's good. But the flu was not eradicated by vaccines, then or now. And is the flu not a dangerous disease? So, covid is such a modern flu. Influenza does not scare anyone, and this is like an unknown infection, it can frighten especially impressionable people to the point of losing touch with reality. In fact, the covid never reached the epidemiological threshold, if you count according to the old honest methods. In the course of the play, "waves" were invented, statistics are kept on an accrual basis. The media in every possible way feed this kovidobess. Run, inject, only it won't help. And no one is going to remove the restrictions. Only you will run every six months for injection. And the media will come up with versions every time why this does not help.

    In many ways I agree with you ... I will tell you why I personally joined the vaccinated - to quickly reach the threshold of 60 percent and finally get rid of this mass hysteria. Even for a year ...
  50. +1
    17 June 2021 12: 49
    Quote: Gardamir
    You are more careful about getting up. Yeltsin also said that under him Russia rose from its knees.
    As for dangerous diseases. How long have we joked that if you treat the flu, you will recover in a week, and if you do not treat it, then in seven days. And few people thought that a certain percentage of the sick died from the flu.

    And the total percentage of influenza + covid mortality from complications remained practically unchanged.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 19: 43
      Yes, yes, and people become disabled after the flu, complications are very serious.
      1. +2
        17 June 2021 20: 34
        Quote: rocket757
        Yes, yes, and people become disabled after the flu, complications are very serious.

        You can become disabled even after the covid vaccine
        "Kirill was paralyzed": four problems of vaccines against coronavirus appeared
        "Nightmares" COVID-19


        [media=https://www.mk.ru/social/2021/03/05/kirilla-paralizovalo-proyavilis-chetyre-problemy-vakcin-ot-koronavirusa.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com]
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 20: 49
          Do not tell my horseshoes ... a link with such a long address, tuften, how to drink to give.
          You have to look for the primary sources ... they usually have a short address.
          In general, this is also OBS, with a different sauce.
          We have done what we think is more reasonable, the time will come we will do it again.
          By the way, once after being vaccinated against the flu, I was ill ... probably my own fault, there is no reason to get vaccinated with a cold that starts.
  51. +2
    17 June 2021 13: 20
    Unfortunately, the majority of the population are stupid. Some people hope that “maybe it will blow over”, some have become adherents of the “worldwide conspiracy of pharmacists”, some simply don’t give a damn about themselves and their loved ones. And then these same people howl on social networks that bad doctors did not save their relatives
    1. +3
      17 June 2021 15: 01
      Yes, the infantilism of some compatriots simply amazes me.
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 18: 56
        And injecting yourself with something you don’t know is better than getting infected with something you don’t know?

        Read how things were with vaccination against smallpox or polio in the first years, until a stable vaccine was developed.
  52. +5
    17 June 2021 13: 22
    It was necessary, like in Israel, to announce that there is not enough vaccine, there won’t be enough for everyone, whoever gets vaccinated first is lucky. And everyone rushed to get the vaccine))
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  54. -2
    17 June 2021 13: 30
    Quote: Shahno
    I read the opinions here, compared a few numbers ... Something I got a budget for health care comparable ... with the Russian budget for 2021 for Israel, in which somewhere around 6 million people have been vaccinated. It turns out the same burden on the budget as in Russia, where 12 million people were vaccinated, but the vaccine of its own production, that is, clearly 2 times cheaper.
    Conclusion - spinning now the flywheel of a universal fraud is simply economically costly on a free basis.
  55. -2
    17 June 2021 13: 31
    Quote: Kronos
    Israel vaccinated 6 billion people?

    Typo, but still nice. Dream... wink
  56. +2
    17 June 2021 13: 44
    Maybe there would be more confidence in the vaccine if it were not advertised so intrusively? And precisely those people whose credibility, to put it mildly, is low? What happened to the meme "has no analogues in the world"? Pride evaporated as the use of this phrase grew. As a result, they began to sculpt it everywhere, and the pride of the 2014 model was replaced by despondency and sarcasm of the 2021 model. The same thing with the vaccine, the same notes. From every iron. It's a stereotype, and I don't believe it. After all, the vaccine is also “the best.” All of the above is IMHO. Those. I’m not afraid of the vaccine itself, I’m not afraid of microchipping yet, I’m not afraid of dying either (I have a deep conviction that everything good in life has already happened, remains - well, that’s it). I don’t want to be deceived again. And someone warmed their hands well, first on masks, then on the vaccine, and even earlier - on many other “projects”
  57. +3
    17 June 2021 14: 13
    People simply stopped trusting the state and authorities. More precisely, people do not trust everything the authorities and the government say. Why? Yes, simply because the authorities and the government lie about any reason. The Guarantor himself changes his shoes over and over again. I myself don’t believe what they “inject” me with. I was forced to, I am vaccinated. Some of my friends who were vaccinated are now in the hospital. So the question arises - did the vaccination help or is this just another “fed up”.
    I remember very well how in 1997 the Red Cross gave vaccinations against Influenza in Central Africa. I remember well both the accompaniment of vaccines and the consequences after vaccinations. I don’t want to see this in my country. Since then, I have generally stopped believing in the care of those in power, especially in terms of medicine and nutrition.
  58. 0
    17 June 2021 14: 23
    I have always doubted the correctness of the term: “herd immunity...”! negative
  59. +2
    17 June 2021 14: 54
    First, any studies on large-scale samples do not provide an accurate picture.

    And, secondly, the immunity of a person who has recovered from the disease is a very ephemeral ability. Doctors still don't know how long it can last.
    I didn't read further. You have to lie much more skillfully. It's a shame to read such nonsense...
  60. 0
    17 June 2021 14: 54
    I got vaccinated, although the whole family got sick easily. I can’t persuade my mother to get vaccinated, no way.
  61. +1
    17 June 2021 15: 18
    I watched the battle for and against vaccinations. I’ll just ask what I have to ask - why the test for antel is 1500 rubles and they don’t give the vaccine without it (in my region, there was only one day when the vaccine was given without a test). If the situation is such a difficult one, why did they arrange it? voting on the Constitution?
  62. +1
    17 June 2021 15: 26
    Quote: didra
    Because the consequences of the epidemic, not for you or me personally, but for everyone (society), are already very difficult and will be even more difficult. Not to mention the dead people.

    A small correction. The consequences of exaggerating the consequences will be severe... Moreover, if you direct the funds that are now circulating in the covid sphere to diagnose the same cancers or CVDs, the effect in terms of reducing mortality will be more noticeable.
  63. +1
    17 June 2021 15: 28
    I would like to add another interesting fact - there is a 2-week quarantine at sea, tests + and, not long ago, a mandatory vaccine. An acquaintance said that, according to his information, a lot of people have died from Covid despite the quarantine and vaccinations (of course, the deck, the weather, vitamin deficiency, stress, confined space) It turns out 2 weeks and express tests are a profonation, no one really knows the quarantine period.
  64. +7
    17 June 2021 15: 46
    Dear author, do the following circumstances occur to you?
    1.People simply don’t trust the government. Why would you trust them? For the last 30 years, the state has been pursuing a policy of genocide against its own population. The system of free medical care is being systematically destroyed, I would say destroyed, hundreds of thousands of hospitals and first aid stations have been liquidated. Free healthcare has ceased to exist, and paid healthcare is available to no more than 20% of the population. For more than 10 years, the population has been impoverished, and the state, which according to the Constitution is social, has made all social benefits paid for. The population is subject to taxes, fines, excise taxes and fees, and the state says through the mouth of its representatives: “The state doesn’t owe you anything! Nobody asked you to give birth!”
    2. The state feeds us poison. There are no natural products in stores, all chemicals and trans fats.
    And natural products are not available to the majority of the population; people simply do not have money. The constant devaluation of the ruble led to total poverty. I’m not talking about Moscow (Moscow is not Russia for a long time, it’s a metropolis), it’s a separate conversation altogether, I’m talking about the regions.
    3.Why did the state refuse to help millions of patients who needed medical care in 2020? The majority of those who died were not from Covid, but from medical care that was not received in a timely manner, operations that were not performed in a timely manner, or closed hospitals and clinics.
    And suddenly, bang, the state began to pretend to be its own mother: vaccinations are free, and even a choice, and they are ready to give away apartments and cars! Why would this happen all of a sudden?
    That's the question people have. Maybe vaccination is needed to dispose of part of the population in order to reduce the already meager costs of medicine and education? Or another business project where they invested budget funds, and now they want to make personal profit?
    In the Soviet Union, people would have lined up to get the vaccine. And now all beliefs against the above arguments do not work.
    And by the way, don’t you think that the increase in Covid infections suddenly and unexpectedly occurs in the summer when it’s hot? And even in Moscow?
    I’m almost sure that the growth of Covid, and with it the restrictive measures, will continue until the end of September. Someone really wants to conduct elections to the State Duma correctly, and they don’t want people who disagree with the election results to go to protests? And the author? And you write about personal egoism...
  65. -2
    17 June 2021 15: 55
    Quote: Russian quilted jacket
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I support you. I agree to be vaccinated. But not our "companion". Based on homebrew research and reviews, would prefer Johnson & Johnson. Someone would say unpatriotic? But patriotism from covid, for some reason, does not help much.

    There are two characters on the echo of the matzo. Felgenhauer and Naryshkin. This sweet couple once conducted a survey among their flock. Than those will be vaccinated. Pfizer for 100 Baku or a satellite. And the flock voted for the pfizer. But here's the zrada .... Themselves, these two not very smart tovarischa were grafted into a companion, which was stupidly announced on their pages in social networks. You can check on the net. hi

    Pfizer definitely. So I'm already in advance..
    You will soon see statistics for Israel..
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  68. 0
    17 June 2021 16: 55
    First, the virus picks up steam in dry, warm weather under sunlight, which should be detrimental to the parasite.
    .
    The virus is also transmitted at home (hard ultraviolet radiation is not transmitted by window glass) there in the circle of relatives and friends.
    Low humidity at home in summer? How to say - it is compensated by active sweating and more frequent breathing in the summer.
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  71. +1
    17 June 2021 17: 08
    The herd immunity fiasco. - loud and inappropriate.

    What a fiasco if only every 8th citizen is vaccinated?...
    We need to get vaccinated, unfortunately there are no options. And here they are looking for options to buy a certificate stating that they have been vaccinated, then they go on shifts across the country and collect the infection, from the bottom of their hearts and in a brotherly manner, and to the rotation camp. And then, as about that hero - UNDERSTAND AND FORGIVE.
  72. -1
    17 June 2021 17: 10
    [quote=A_Mazkov]News No. 1: According to Denis Protsenko, ️after vaccination against coronavirus, this can happen to 8-10 percent of citizens. “These are the numbers that research gives us,” he explained. At the same time, Protsenko emphasized that 90 percent of vaccinated Russians develop antibodies, and called this result a “good figure.”

    News No. 2: Nine months later, almost half of the volunteers vaccinated with EpiVacCorona did not have antibodies. This was announced by the General Director of the Vector center, Rinat Maksyutov, on the Rossiya 24 TV channel.

    News No. 3: As Protsenko said, statistics on hospitalizations of vaccinated patients have been kept since December 30, when the first such case was recorded. During all this time, 136 patients who fell ill with COVID-19 after vaccination were admitted to the hospital. According to the doctor, most of them only managed to receive one dose of the vaccine.

    “A COVID dissident can put several fellow citizens in a hospital bed at once” - just like a vaccinated person can put the same vaccinated people in bed!

    “In Israel, vaccination has become mandatory – and the epidemic is over there” is not a fact at all. Not enough time has passed to make such statements. It may well “blaze”, but later...[/quote]
    In Israel, vaccination was not mandatory...
    And in general, I can lift the curtain, so to speak.
    Reasons for the success of mass vaccination:
    1. Political - at decisive moments the state knows how to convince citizens without using violence.
    2. Mental - in the event of a threat, citizens rally instantly and do not ask questions.
    3.Economic-efficient healthcare and health insurance system..
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 17: 40
      Agree to all 100!
      good
  73. 0
    17 June 2021 17: 13
    Quote: A_Mazkov
    News No. 1: According to Denis Protsenko, after vaccination against coronavirus, this can happen to 8-10 percent of citizens. “These are the numbers that research gives us,” he explained. At the same time, Protsenko emphasized that 90 percent of vaccinated Russians develop antibodies, and called this result a “good figure.”
    The result is really good.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 17: 35
      Quote: Azimuth
      Quote: A_Mazkov
      News No. 1: According to Denis Protsenko, after vaccination against coronavirus, this can happen to 8-10 percent of citizens. “These are the numbers that research gives us,” he explained. At the same time, Protsenko emphasized that 90 percent of vaccinated Russians develop antibodies, and called this result a “good figure.”
      The result is really good.


      Yes, not bad, but as of today.
      “Nearly half of the volunteers vaccinated with EpiVacCorona showed no antibodies after nine months.”
      What will happen in 12 months for those vaccinated with other vaccines?
  74. 0
    17 June 2021 17: 36
    News No. 1: According to Denis Protsenko, after vaccination against coronavirus, this can happen to 8-10 percent of citizens. “These are the numbers that research gives us,” he explained. At the same time, Protsenko emphasized that 90 percent of vaccinated Russians develop antibodies, and called this result a “good figure.”

    News No. 2: Nine months later, almost half of the volunteers vaccinated with EpiVacCorona did not have antibodies. This was announced by the General Director of the Vector center, Rinat Maksyutov, on the Rossiya 24 TV channel.

    News No. 3: As Protsenko said, statistics on hospitalizations of vaccinated patients have been kept since December 30, when the first such case was recorded. During all this time, 136 patients who fell ill with COVID-19 after vaccination were admitted to the hospital. According to the doctor, most of them only managed to receive one dose of the vaccine.

    “A COVID dissident can put several fellow citizens in a hospital bed at once” - just like a vaccinated person can put the same vaccinated people in bed!

    “In Israel, vaccination has become mandatory – and the epidemic is over there” is not a fact at all. Not enough time has passed to make such statements. It may well “blaze” later...
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  76. 0
    17 June 2021 18: 55
    Have you all seen the fines? That’s the reason, the budget needs to be replenished in order to pay for vaccines.
  77. -1
    17 June 2021 19: 06
    Based on the results of reading the comments, I would like to note that it is the vaccinated people who are hysterical about Covid.
    Ladies and gentlemen!
    Humanity survived the plague and the Spanish flu. Why did you decide that it would die out from Covid?
    It’s even more strange to read panicked pearls from vaccinated people! What is threatening you?!
    Calm down, otherwise it seems that vaccines have a side effect, and this is not infertility! :)))
  78. 0
    17 June 2021 19: 20
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    The distrustful electorate has become (Unified State Exam generation). But in the USSR, the people were conscious, banks were charged from the TV.
    This was no longer the USSR. sad
  79. 0
    17 June 2021 19: 38
    I suggest that those who are not vaccinated consciously, in case of illness and treatment in a medical institution, roll out the bill for treatment.....and from and to....feeding, room, medicine)))) and in the case of infection of family members, everything is the same - EVERYTHING is paid...they teach fools with rubles
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 20: 26
      Quote: Ovsigovets
      I suggest that those who are not vaccinated consciously, in case of illness and treatment in a medical institution, roll out the bill for treatment.....and from and to....feeding, room, medicine)))) and in the case of infection of family members, everything is the same - EVERYTHING is paid...they teach fools with rubles

      That is, you are not aware of the compulsory medical insurance system?
      1. -1
        17 June 2021 20: 29
        I am aware and everyone is aware....but if a person consciously creates problems for medicine and imposes an additional financial burden on the compulsory medical insurance system, then let him pay a little extra....Why are you indignant? Covid is bullshit... go buy an antipyretic and vitamins and get treatment.... there is no Covid and this is a deception of the authorities
      2. 0
        17 June 2021 20: 31
        otherwise it turns out very strange - the authorities say, get vaccinated - Covid is killing you - you are selling that Covid is bullshit and the authorities really need to deceive you, BUT exactly until a complication of bilateral pneumonia appears - then you tell me for compulsory medical insurance and the state treats me))))
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 20: 44
          Is it okay that the state has no other money than taxpayers’ money?
          And compulsory medical insurance also exists at our expense.
          1. 0
            17 June 2021 20: 47
            but nothing.....the state sponsors the purchase of a vaccine with our taxes and asks to be vaccinated...you are CONSCIOUSLY risking not only yourself, but also dragging others along with you to cheer - because as they told you - as with any viral poo, the majority need to be vaccinated. YOU deliberately scored a check - so be kind enough to pay PERSONALLY for your choice
            1. 0
              17 June 2021 21: 03
              What do you mean, I'm dragging you along?
              You are the one trying to find a way to force people to get vaccinated.
              On the contrary, I give everyone the right to choose.
              Moreover, those doses that are not in demand by Russians who do not want to be vaccinated can be sold to other countries.
              Then our state will also have a profit.
              1. 0
                17 June 2021 21: 08
                so what am I talking about... about the right to choose - I chose NOT TO BE VACCINED - that means I automatically chose to pay for treatment from my own pocket, and not from the compulsory medical insurance system... be sick for your health
                1. 0
                  17 June 2021 21: 42
                  Good!
                  Then be so kind as to return the money from compulsory medical insurance back! :)
                  1. -1
                    17 June 2021 21: 50
                    you know...I’m impressed by your infantilism in particular and infantilism in general.....especially considering that we live in a country where many viral diseases have been overcome by vaccination...your money (relatively yours) is a business tax, not your income tax - because alas for you, not money....You live in the state, not in a gang. I can’t understand - where did you find a contradiction to your doctrine in my words??? Covid is bullshit - if you get sick, it’s like bullshit - antipyretic and vitamins....if there is pneumonia - crawl to die somewhere else - don’t call the doctors.... and don’t - call - but to private clinics and for money - that’s the payment for your...YOUR choice. And specifically for “dragging the rest” - so Covid is ARVI... a viral infection - that is, an airborne infection..... and even if you are mildly ill, you do not cease to be a carrier of the infection. And if you infect my relative and he dies, do I have the right to cut off your head? Well, as payment for freedom of choice???
                2. 0
                  17 June 2021 22: 00
                  Quote: Ovsigovets
                  so what am I talking about... about the right to choose - I chose NOT TO BE VACCINED - that means I automatically chose to pay for treatment from my own pocket, and not from the compulsory medical insurance system... be sick for your health

                  Yes, it is also necessary to introduce special stripes for Covid dissidents, like me, and organize a ghetto, like the one in Prague.
                  Otherwise, without this, your idea looks unfinished and dull.
                  And you shouldn’t break traditions.
                  So ...
                  1. -2
                    17 June 2021 22: 11
                    why a ghetto? no need...... simpler... you infected - the person died - your relatives have the right to cut off your head - a life for a life..... you tell me for your rights, and I tell you for your responsibility for the consequences of your freedom and your rights
                    1. 0
                      17 June 2021 22: 27
                      Quote: Ovsigovets
                      why a ghetto? no need...... simpler... you infected - the person died - your relatives have the right to cut off your head - a life for a life..... you tell me for your rights, and I tell you for your responsibility for the consequences of your freedom and your rights

                      Oh, that's right, I forgot about Lynching!
                      Thank you for reminding me!
                      I immediately realized that you have a lot of interesting ideas in stock.
                      :)))
                      1. 0
                        17 June 2021 22: 29
                        yes you can in court... yes you can do whatever you want... but let me remind you that your rights end at the tip of my nose..... rights and responsibilities.. responsibility for your choice... it’s all about the same thing and inextricably connected....you are given the right to choose and given responsibility
              2. -1
                17 June 2021 21: 08
                and I am more than sure that soon vaccination against covid will be mandatory for everyone
                1. 0
                  17 June 2021 21: 54
                  That is, you have doubts about the vaccine, and you don’t want to suffer from possible side effects alone?
                  Don’t worry so much, we will all die someday anyway, both vaccinated and unvaccinated. Perhaps someone will die out faster, but this is not certain! :)
                  The main thing is don't panic!
                  1. -1
                    17 June 2021 21: 59
                    I report by voice - there are no doubts - vaccinated - no side effects
                    1. +1
                      17 June 2021 22: 47
                      Quote: Ovsigovets
                      EVERYTHING is paid...they teach fools with rubles

                      Apparently, it is useless to treat you even with a ruble. You need to be treated with electricity.

                      Quote: Ovsigovets
                      consciously creates problems for medicine

                      Kill yourself against the wall.
                      Do not create problems with your existence for anyone, neither medicine, nor the state, nor those around you. Save everyone your problem. They will erect a monument to you. I'll do my bit.

                      Quote: Ovsigovets
                      and treat me state))))

                      Get off me, state. And people like you, get over it, I didn’t order your services and I don’t need your care. I will die without you in due time.

                      Quote: Ovsigovets
                      vaccinations have overcome many viral diseases

                      Can you list this “many”?
                      I don’t think you’ll find anything other than smallpox. But smallpox is not covid.

                      Quote: Ovsigovets
                      even if you are mildly ill, you do not cease to be a carrier of the infection

                      Do you have a guarantee that if you are vaccinated, you are not a carrier of the infection?

                      Quote: Ovsigovets
                      Do I have the right to cut off your head? Well, as payment for freedom of choice???

                      And you try it. As payment for the right to cut off heads, your stomach will know how many buckshots are in a 12-gauge cartridge.

                      Quote: Ovsigovets
                      and I to you for your responsibility for the consequences of your freedom and your rights

                      So you agree to take personal responsibility for possible side effects of my vaccination? Will you answer with life or health? Chopper of heads....

                      Quote: Ovsigovets
                      and I'm more than sure

                      Break off. The severity of Russian laws is compensated by the non-binding nature of their implementation.
                      1. 0
                        17 June 2021 23: 07
                        you can answer something reasonable, but it’s difficult to respond to a fountain of infantile text... I’ll try something more or less))) so I support the person and you... regarding the state, get rid of it - if you didn’t order any services...... I’m saying - if you consciously made the choice NOT to get vaccinated, then as an adult bear responsibility... pay for treatment from your gut - do not burden the state
                        Measles, mumps, rubella and even tuberculosis are all infectious diseases that are controlled by vaccination.
                        If you are vaccinated and get sick, you are also a carrier. But according to the experience of vaccination against viral diseases, an unvaccinated person has a high probability of getting sick himself and, accordingly, infecting others.
                        Regarding the buckshot))))) why are we behaving like a “puppy that peed itself”...If you infected and the person died, answer as an adult for your choice...otherwise everyone is ready to “shit”, like the pussy is hairy and I'm big, but how to answer "by peeing" in the bushes))))
                        I agree to take personal responsibility)))) for your vaccination.
                        There are laws, yes... but if you want to create conditions for people to get vaccinated, you can... and a control system is possible..... No)) there will be “stubborn”, but praise the Gods, 100% coverage is not required... let the stubborn ones go away 5%.
                      2. 0
                        18 June 2021 12: 13
                        even tuberculosis

                        Only compulsory treatment and isolation of patients saved from turbocolosis. Vaccinations help, but not as advertised. Judging by the north, almost everyone is vaccinated, but in the tourist dispensary up to 60 children and slightly fewer adults get sick every year. I’ll say more, about 12% have a stick and does not manifest itself (I heard from the doctor). Judging by myself, the manta is always positive, they took blood every week, tormented me with fluorography and BCG every six months. They took it off the register, but warned me that I was at risk....
  80. 0
    17 June 2021 19: 41
    , Russia meets it in a state of full combat readiness - the supply of reserve beds is sufficient, and doctors have already learned to cope with the infection
    By the way, the infection came a little different! Those who get sick, seriously, are those who are younger and this is a fact.
    You can ask them about the consequences for those who have recovered... not many can say that everything worked out.
    Most people regret that they didn’t bother to get vaccinated on time, BUT, it’s too late to drink Borjomi... although there is a chance of getting sick again. This infection is now with us forever, like the depth of field.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 20: 18
      Where did you get all this about the majority?
      According to information from our media, so far the majority have endured the disease relatively easily and without complications, just as they did last year, by the way.
      1. 0
        17 June 2021 20: 39
        Let me clarify, those who had it “on their feet”, mildly, without complications, say/decided differently 50/50 will/won’t be vaccinated.
        Those who were seriously ill, 3 out of 5 are now undergoing treatment and should not be eaten.... EVERYONE decided to get vaccinated, the disease can be caught again, but no one wants to repeat the experiment.
        You can’t ask anything from the three of them, alas, alas, their time is up.
        These are only those who are nearby.
        There are many of those who are not nearby, but I haven’t been frank with them....
        1. 0
          17 June 2021 20: 57
          Well, my friends were luckier.
          They got sick without incident, at home, and are not going to get vaccinated.
          1. 0
            17 June 2021 23: 31
            you know...in no case do I wish this for you personally or for anyone else, but experience tells me...as one movie says, “experience fixed in blood is better absorbed”......best helps to realize and feel any moment in your own skin or the “skin” of someone close and dear to you. I have a friend who is also a Covid dissident..... also a fan of loudly defending his rights... so... when his father-in-law and mother-in-law got sick (his father-in-law was in the hospital), his wife left him with 3 children and rushed across half the country ...... I asked him, “Lesha, why didn’t you tell your wife, Covid is nonsense and all that?” He wisely remained silent. In no way did I gloat or “celebrate the victory”.... Praise all Gods that they were cured and no tragedy befell my friend’s family..... But at my work, three people have already died in a year... ...yesterday there were men...and now they are lying under a stone
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  82. +1
    17 June 2021 20: 00
    Simple mistrust of ordinary people who are constantly deceived. It's like the fairy tale about the shepherdess and the wolves. And Muscovites need to travel less abroad to resorts.
  83. -3
    17 June 2021 20: 00
    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: Overlock
    Where are the answers? Blah blah from Ginzburg and that's it.

    Earlier, I wrote about the practical performance of the vaccine. You say - let him answer? So you write to him. Have you seen Ginzburg somewhere? For the money that revolves around this problem, the Lancet will write something else.

    It is unlikely, scientific journals of this kind do not take such risks.... Everything will be revealed there if it doesn’t seem enough.
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  85. -3
    17 June 2021 20: 28
    Quote: bk316
    A real story about myself.

    Well, you are an experimenter. The saddest thing is that the experiment showed nothing. You probably haven't been taught how to experiment.
    It should have been like this.
    1. Assay for antibodies M + G quantitative.
    2. PCR.
    3.the next day vaccination
    4.if the PCR temperature is kept on the third day
    5.After 6 weeks test for antibodies to c protein.

    Explain why this is so?
    And by the way, I strongly recommend the first and fifth points to everyone who really cares about their health.

    Well, don't complicate things. This is not a control group...
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 20: 40
      The control group has nothing to do with it.
      The first point is to make sure that you do not have antibodies, otherwise you simply do not need to be vaccinated.
      Fifth, to make sure that immunity has appeared.
      Well, the fourth thing is that you didn’t have time to get vaccinated on time and caught Covid laughing
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  87. +1
    17 June 2021 20: 54
    All the same, according to the survey results, not everything is so bad with us, despite the duping of the masses for the last 40 years and the rabid anti-vaccine propaganda, 60% will get vaccinated. The rest will get over it and everything will be fine. laughing

    Finally, some advice for those who care about their health.
    1. If you have a doctor and he says “don’t get vaccinated,” don’t get vaccinated.
    2. Before vaccination, do an antibody test, maybe your antibodies are off the charts and you don’t need any vaccination now.
    3. After vaccination, do a proper antibody test within the prescribed period to make sure that you now have immunity.
    4. Once vaccinated, do not neglect protective measures; there are no XNUMX% effective vaccinations.

    Stay safe.
    Goodbye then.
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 21: 15
      Why don’t doctors get vaccinated? Ask yourself if you don’t believe me.
  88. -2
    17 June 2021 20: 56
    Quote: bk316
    The control group has nothing to do with it.
    The first point is to make sure that you do not have antibodies, otherwise you simply do not need to be vaccinated.
    Fifth, to make sure that immunity has appeared.
    Well, the fourth thing is that you didn’t have time to get vaccinated on time and caught Covid laughing

    Very much so. This is like a biochemist to a biochemist...
    Do a test for immunoglobilins M and G, and polymerase chain reaction for 100 million patients?
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  90. 0
    17 June 2021 21: 09
    Yes, it’s not necessary anywhere... I think it will be like this: within a month, all organizations will be informed that if a sick person is detected, the ENTIRE enterprise will be closed for quarantine for 3 weeks, and then vaccination will be accelerated very quickly.
  91. +2
    17 June 2021 21: 56
    the level of citizens’ trust in the system is somewhat different from the cheerful reports of VCIOM...again. For whatever reason, they refuse vaccination, this is a direct effect of the efforts of our rulers over the past decades, including in the field of education, we bet that this will not affect election results...
  92. +1
    17 June 2021 22: 12
    I am a doctor, I was sick and saw people get sick, and I got vaccinated. I won’t persuade you, I won’t warn you either. When I see you sick, you are unlikely to talk to me, let alone argue.
    I'll make money, that's what I say. They’ll transfer me to the zone, I’ll get dressed and go.
    By the way, cadets of the Military Medical Academy will again go to work during Covid. They will be transferred from St. Petersburg to Moscow, despite the session. This is about the seriousness of the situation.
    And of course I don’t care
    1. 0
      17 June 2021 22: 38
      I would write what kind of doctor you are, but they would ban you.
    2. 0
      17 June 2021 22: 41
      I'm a doctor, I was sick and saw people get sick, and I got vaccinated

      But I still don’t understand when I got sick, was about to get vaccinated and decided to get tested for antibodies

      And I was sick with a strange sore throat in December 2019, when there was no Covid, as they say, did I really have antibodies from that time? By the way, it so happened that I had a lot of contact with the Chinese in the fall of 2019. No antibodies were found in my son, no one I interacted with got sick at work. My adult son was vaccinated and has been sitting at home for the second day with a fever and a head like he has a hangover. So I’m thinking about what to do or whether getting sick once is enough.
  93. 0
    17 June 2021 22: 48
    In short, the vaccinated haven’t come up with anything new. Although they are fully creative in the comments.
    When society has no color differentiation of pants, then there is no purpose! And when there is no goal ...
    :)))
  94. 0
    17 June 2021 23: 34
    The article has a built-in voting and there is no important point - no, I’m not going to, but I have to. Because in my case, it’s already becoming difficult to get a good salary without vaccination... No matter how you have human rights, if you don’t want to, don’t get vaccinated, but you’ll earn less...
    1. 0
      18 June 2021 00: 09
      Quote: bot.su
      No matter how you have human rights, if you don’t want to, don’t get vaccinated, but you’ll earn less

      Those who have been vaccinated also have the right to demand that those who have not been vaccinated and do not want to be vaccinated stay away from them...
  95. 0
    18 June 2021 02: 07
    Quote: lis-ik
    And I'm glad that at least half are not zombified.

    It’s good that the doctors thought differently when you were a child, which is why you didn’t die from any childhood diseases.
    This is very surprising, everyone writing here received a set of vaccines as children, and now suddenly they have become anti-vaxxers.
  96. 0
    18 June 2021 02: 22
    When “paid May holidays” were proclaimed in April, on the advice of consumer supervision and the chief sanitary doctor, and all of Moscow, choking and hiccupping, rushed to the North Caucasus and the Crimea, or to a barbecue in a cheerful company - I did not have a drop of doubt: in three weeks there will be a splash.
    First in Moscow - then everywhere! This has always been the case before, and it will be so in the future if we do the same.
    Analogies, of course they are lame, but still they walk towards the goal with their own feet. The simplest method of thinking by analogy is called induction. and is accessible even to many complex animals.
    It is simpler than deduction based on analysis and synthesis. But for some reason it is not available to the top management. Or some other goals are being pursued - and this is even worse.
    1. +1
      18 June 2021 05: 12
      Or are some other goals being pursued?


      So no one answered me - why in the midst of a pandemic they held a vote on the amendments. What was the need? Personally, apart from protecting birds, nature and the Russian language (and other noodles), I have nothing
      I didn’t really hear_ it couldn’t wait?
  97. 0
    18 June 2021 04: 51
    Since the start of the pandemic in 2020, we have worn a mask and gloves. By the way, it helped in the way that they visited stores and made purchases there. Before the pandemic, my father fell ill because he witnessed the death of his sister and experienced severe stress. His temperature periodically rose, but there was no pain. This is how the body reacted to stress. Ambulance calls amounted to a proposal from doctors for hospitalization for the purpose of examination, and we only asked for a preliminary blood test at home. During the pandemic, for 3 months no one came and took tests, everyone was busy only with the coronavirus, and sending my father to Kommunarka was very dangerous. In general, the father was unlucky and this is a long story, as a result of which the father was tested for coronavirus and twice he showed a negative result. Although the ambulance doctors claimed that he had coronavirus. At the end of July 2020, when the pandemic became easier, a nurse came and took blood for a test. It turned out that my father had low hemoglobin and iron. The father agreed to the examination. At that time he did not complain of pain. After the examination, my father was brought in on August 4 and he was already in severe pain, he could not straighten his legs, and on August 8 he died. The father was unlucky; as a result of the fact that everyone was dealing with the coronavirus pandemic, the father was not given a valid test on time, and he was not there after the examination. Doctors still wrote down that he had coronavirus, although he fell ill before the pandemic and he had no contact with coronavirus patients. I witnessed my father's death and saw how he was taken away in detail. My father was an honored man, had many inventions and awards, but his body was taken away simply in a bag.
  98. +1
    18 June 2021 05: 12
    With the beginning of the pandemic, I bought thick masks with a valve for my mother, so that my mother could safely go shopping in the store; she loved it very much because she cared about me, my wife and daughter. I went to the Kyiv station to the local market and to the market near the Yugo-Zapadnaya metro station. This was the case until April 2021, and at the end of April she said abruptly, “I’ll go get vaccinated, if everything goes well, then you’ll go and get vaccinated.” On May 1, my mother was vaccinated, and on May 13, the test showed a positive result for coronavirus. My daughter and wife also tested positive, but I tested negative. On May 14, we took my mother to the clinic for a CT scan and she was diagnosed with 28% lung damage and was hospitalized in hospital No. 67. By the way, before the vaccination in 2019, my mother had pneumonia, but the doctor did not take this into account, and based on the results of a blood test, he said that everything was fine and she could be vaccinated. The last time I spoke with my mother was on Tuesday, May 18, after which they determined 75% damage to the lungs, and on May 31, I was informed that my mother had died. The whole ritual was accompanied by a closed coffin and I have not seen my mother since May 14th. She was vaccinated not with a companion, but for older people, a satellite, as the doctor told my mother, is given until the age of 55, and my mother was 85 full years old and before the vaccination she was active, you can’t say that she was 85!!! I am already 61 years old and I think that I will under no circumstances be vaccinated as there is no guarantee of surviving after it. In addition, I have diabetes. In general, the apartment is empty without mom and dad, it’s good that there is a wife and daughter, but 2020 and 2021 turned out to be difficult and dark years for me. If not for the pandemic, then my parents would be alive and I miss them so much.
  99. +1
    18 June 2021 07: 40
    New mutations of the virus have been identified in Moscow, affecting both those who have recovered from the disease and those vaccinated, not to mention those who have escaped this fate.
    In Gamaleya they are not yet going to modify the vaccine, since this, plus testing, will take 4 - 5 months, and vaccinated people should tolerate the disease more easily (in theory).

    So, in the dispute between vaccinated people and Covid dissidents, the virus wins.

    Smile and wave! :)))
    We disperse ...
    1. 0
      18 June 2021 07: 49
      Quote: A_Mazkov
      New mutations of the virus have been identified in Moscow, affecting both those who have recovered from the disease and those vaccinated, not to mention those who have escaped this fate.
      In Gamaleya they are not yet going to modify the vaccine, since this, plus testing, will take 4 - 5 months, and vaccinated people should tolerate the disease more easily (in theory).

      So, in the dispute between vaccinated people and Covid dissidents, the virus wins.

      Smile and wave! :)))
      We disperse ...


      Is this official information or OBS (one grandmother said)? I have heard everything - people become paralyzed from the vaccine, their vision disappears, and people get sick from it. But all this is “somewhere out there,” “with a relative, friend, mother, neighbor.” And everyone I know who got vaccinated is alive and well. And they moved it quite easily.

      I personally didn’t notice anything at all - a slight fever after the first injection.

      Yes, there is a sick person at the enterprise after vaccination, but the effectiveness is 90% and not 100%, and he is one of hundreds, or even thousands (I don’t know how many were vaccinated). And he became infected from his wife, who was sick with Covid.
      1. 0
        18 June 2021 10: 02
        “... and they become paralyzed from the vaccine, and their vision disappears, and they get sick from it” - when did I write such nonsense?
        "...or OBS (one grandmother said)?" - Sobyanin, if anything.
        “In Gamaleya they are not going to modify the vaccine yet” - this is Alexander Gintsburg, director of the Gamaleya Center.
        “...but the efficiency is 90% and not 100%” - yes, that’s true.
        But the effectiveness against mutated forms is not yet known.
        It is possible that vaccinated people will suffer more easily, but this is not a fact.

        Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said that the situation with coronavirus is “rapidly deteriorating.” He also emphasized that this state of affairs came as a surprise to the capital authorities. This dynamics is unexpected due to the fact that more than 60% of Muscovites have either been ill or been vaccinated. This is a fairly large population layer, immunity. Meanwhile, already on June 18, the city can expect more than 9 thousand cases of illness.

        Everything can be easily searched on media sites, including RT.

        There is no reason to say that vaccines don’t help, but there is no reason to say that vaccination is mandatory, otherwise we’re screwed :)))

        It’s just that in the comments people who are most panicked about Covid are the vaccinated, although there is no reason to panic.
  100. -2
    18 June 2021 09: 50
    Quote: huntsman650
    I wanted to be vaccinated, but one of them died after the first one (((. I will not do.

    Well, I think he was at risk for other diseases. So it is not known what the cause of death is. Complications from the coronavirus or from the fact that it provoked concomitant diseases that a person already has to a certain degree of severity. Here you need to take a thoughtful approach if you know your medical history.