The timing of the start of the implementation of the program for the creation of the global satellite constellation "Sphere"

The implementation of the program of the global multipurpose satellite constellation "Sphere" may start after consideration by the government. A meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers on this issue is scheduled for June this year. This was announced by the first deputy head of Roscosmos for the development of the orbital group and promising projects Yuri Urlichich.

According to Urlichich, Roscosmos hopes that the government will consider a satellite constellation program this month, which will make it possible to start work in this direction. The Cabinet of Ministers must decide on the financing of this program, and it will take a lot of funds for its implementation. As the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin said earlier, the cost of the Sphere program will amount to 800 billion rubles, of which 500 billion will be attracted as private investments.

The Sphere program itself was first announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2018 during a direct line. At the same time, Roskosmos announced that within the framework of this program, it is planned to receive 640 spacecraft (including those already launched) for optimal provision of navigation coverage, remote sensing of the Earth and communication services. Satellite launches are due to begin in 2021 or 2022.

As Rogozin said earlier, the creation of the group will require the launch of at least 25 launch vehicles, which will help to load the space sector enterprises with orders.

The "Sphere" system should combine the services of communication, data transmission, navigation and remote sensing of the Earth, making them available to everyone not only throughout the territory of Russia, but also abroad. The new constellation should include the already operating and only planned for launch spacecraft of the GLONASS systems, Earth remote sensing, Express-RV and Gonets communications, as well as a number of other systems.

Comments

[Lech from Android.]

Doubts gnaw at me that out of 800 billion percent ten will go into the pocket of cunning crooks ... a lot of money.
To return to the treasury that they stole in the East.

[Finches]

For some reason, the Hollywood cranberry "Men in Black-3" came to mind, where it was necessary to put a cunning Arknet device into Earth's orbit to protect the planet from Bagladites ... Unfortunately, Sphere and I are a bit late - Bagladites are already here and even captured a number of states. ..

[military_cat]

Doubts gnaw at me that they will be able to make import-substituted space-class electronics with competitive parameters. Because more than 7 years have passed since the beginning of the sanctions, and Rogozin complains in an interview that "practically assembled" spacecraft are not being withdrawn due to the lack of imported electronic components. And if they do it at the level of the Gonets system (it is alarming that it is already planned to be included in a sort of "new" group) with speeds like 9.6 kbit / s - it will be very sad.

[credo]

... The "Sphere" system should combine the services of communication, data transmission, navigation and remote sensing of the Earth, making them available to everyone, not only throughout the territory of Russia, but also abroad ...

Everyone in all countries of the world wants to make money on projects, this is an axiom and not the main problem.
There are problems with the electronic database in Russia, this is a fact, but this is not the main issue either.

The question is, are we doing this only for ourselves or are we counting on its commercial use by some third countries of the world in order to somehow repulse such grandmothers?
As far as the Anglo-Saxon countries are aware, the EU countries have their own means of communication, China is developing its own, and other large countries of the world do not stand still on this issue.

[military_cat]

For commercial users, the Sphere will have to compete with Starlink. If on the territory of Russia Starlink is prohibited by law and there are no problems, then outside Russia (with the current state of electronics) the user will have to choose between the speed of the "Gonets" system and the speed of Starlink (150 Mbit / s theoretically possible, ~ 40 ... 90 Mbit / s actually measured users on an existing grouping).

[credo]

Judging by the size of the investment, it still looks more like a military project, and not a purely civilian one. Although, on the other hand, what in the current world can be called purely civilian in space technologies?

[NIKN]

and it will take a lot of funds for its implementation

this is the whole point and said, otherwise no one would need this program. This is today's reality

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

For commercial users, the Sphere will have to compete with Starlink.

The Sphere system does not have such satellites as Starlink. Broadband Internet access is provided in a different way. In fact - like the O3b satellite system.

[military_cat]

Quote: slipped

The Sphere system does not have such satellites as Starlink.

Well, probably, yes, we need phased arrays that can survive in space and fit into a satellite. But it will still have to compete with Starlink outside the Russian Federation if it wants to enter the market there. SES understands this and are doing the next generation O3b.

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

SES understands this and are doing the next generation O3b.

Next year we will launch the first Skif, and low orbit will be occupied by the satellites of the Internet of Things.

[Gunther]

Quote: military_cat

If on
territory of Russia Starlink is prohibited by law and there are no problems ...

there is a problem:
“At the end of May, another Russian Soyuz was successfully launched from the Vostochny cosmodrome with 36 devices of the OneWeb low-orbit broadband satellite communication system. owners and beneficiaries are in no hurry to applaud. The main customer of the planetary Internet since last year is the Pentagon ...... "
http://katyusha.org/view?id=16836

[slipped]

Quote: Gunter

Roscosmos is trying to present this story as a lucrative contract with "respected partners"

Why submit? And there is. A billion euros for launch services and our engines per vehicle.

Quote: Gunter

The main customer of the planetary Internet since last year is the Pentagon ...... "

The satellites will be launched anyway, and so we also got money for our programs from this.

[Lisiy Prapor]

Quote: slipped

and so we also got money for our programs from this.

What programs? Stuffing your pockets?

[Disant]

There is a problem: Roscosmos is trying to present this story as a lucrative contract with “respected partners”. Since last year, the main customer of the planetary Internet has been the Pentagon.

That's right, and they can't supply Russian titanium to Boeings - let them fly on their own.
and shut off the gas valves of all streams to freeze.
and do not supply oil for the body.
and we will eat all the wheat ourselves, we will burn coal in Siberia - it will be warmer - the ports will be closed.
all products of the military-industrial complex - to return to their homeland.
wow, let's heal then

[Barberry25]

those. the Pentagon has already refused to cooperate with Musk? or the "well-informed" are not aware of the topic?)

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: slipped

Lying is bad. There is no money from the state budget. There is commercial money of joint stock companies.

Which joint-stock companies paid tens of millions of dollars for just two flight chairs?

[slipped]

Quote: Engineer Schukin

Which joint-stock companies paid tens of millions of dollars for just two flight chairs?

We don't pay in dollars. We calculate in rubles. The training of space flight participants is paid by JSC "Glavkosmos".

[Cosm22]

The lack of production of its own EEE of the space category is just the main reason that calls into question this whole widely advertised project "Sphere".
You can, of course, hide behind a fig leaf called "Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation of August 9, 2016 No. 764" On Amending the Appendix to the Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 17 of July 2015, 719. But this will not change the essence of the matter. The so-called import substitution in the production of space-class electronic components has been essentially reduced to re-sticking labels. But even this trick with the ears did not help much. The head of the department for targeted use of space surveillance equipment and information reception complexes of the state corporation Valery Zaichko said in September 2020 that Russia in terms of the number of ERS satellites operating in near-earth orbit, it yielded not only to China, the EU and the USA, but even to India.
Yes, there are many other factors causing distrust in the project. "Angara", which is supposed to bring part of the orbital group of the project, to the LKI. The end of which is still only looming in the fog. In addition, according to Varochko, the production cycle for Angara-A5 is 27 months. 2 and a quarter of a year. Not feeble pace. The statements about their alleged reduction are somehow weakly convincing. The infrastructure of Vostochny is not yet ready.
But the main impasse is the lack of the necessary EEE. Re-sticking labels is not tricky. The problem is that the sanctions. Not everything can be bought from Taiwan or China. And not everything is in China. Junk, of course, is. China will not sell what is worthwhile (and it apparently is, judging by the brilliant success of the lunar program). China is a lot to take. And to give the groundwork is a pipe. There are no fools there.

[g1v2]

Roscosmos has a serious problem. Cooperation with the West and making money on this is gradually phasing out. Western contracts will go primarily to Western companies, despite the fact that our prices are lower. They also have import substitution in fact. That is, the number of launches we will have will fall. This is reality. Of course, third world countries are growing industrially and contracts can be taken from them, but China, India and Iran have their own space programs. And the rest will not be able to provide a constant uniform load. This means that Russia itself should provide the bulk of the load. And everything else will go into the appendage. Otherwise, there will be degradation and the space industry will have to be greatly reduced. The SPHERE project is exactly the project that will be able to provide ROSCOSMOS with a load for 10-15 years in advance. These are dozens of launches and downloads of dozens of enterprises. And the country will receive a first-class orbital group that can be used for dual purposes. In general, the project is costly and large-scale, but otherwise the space industry will degrade. This is much more important than one-time flights to the Moon or Mars - it is the creation of infrastructure and the development of the industry. And when the creation of a new orbital station begins, this group will also receive a control and repair center.

[Cosm22]

The Sphere project is primarily a PN conclusion. And if the problem with the LV is not an acute problem (part of the PN can be withdrawn by the second Unions, some - by the Hangara, which, hopefully, will come out sometime from the LKI), then with the PN itself, not everything is going smoothly. First of all, because everything depends on the lack of a well-functioning production of its own electronic components.
Announcing prospects, announcing goals is one thing. Achieving a real result is another. There was already promised communism in 1980, and there were apartments for everyone in 2000.
You can promise both the Sphere and the lunar bases. The trouble is that Wishlist is not always provided with opportunities.
And no matter what they tell us about the benefits of sanctions, this “benefit” is very clearly manifested, first of all, in the state of Russian cosmonautics.
With regard to ROSS, here at least deal with the ISS RS. Although there is a silver lining. Cosmonauts will now be able to smoke at least calmly thanks to the presence of natural ventilation in the Russian segment. Yes, s-s ... What, except for jokes, remains?

[g1v2]

All problems are solvable. Something is expensive, something is difficult, but nothing that would represent an unsolvable problem - no. The main thing is to have something to invest for. A serious download is needed. For the sake of a contract for 640 satellites, it is also possible to open and localize some new import-substituting processes. And buy something in China and so on. These are all solvable things. It is clear that the terms will shift and the price will rise, but these are just technical issues.
As for the sanctions, everything is simple. They create a tactical problem now, but strategically help a lot over the long term. If something can be bought cheaply and quickly abroad, then it is always unprofitable to produce it ourselves. But when something becomes unavailable for us, then there is a demand for our products.
As for the ISS, it has not been needed for a long time. She benefits from gulkin horseradish. We need our own station, sharpened for the technical purposes of servicing the orbital constellation. I wrote about this for a long time. And now it seems that ROSCOSMOS has finally reached this point.

[Cosm22]

Sure?
The fact that there is "nothing that would represent an unsolvable problem"?
For some reason, I don’t have such confidence.
I will remind you of a very recent case that showed the capabilities of the RC. Replacement of tanks on the Science module was required. For all the already known reason. AND???
What's the bottom line? Replaced? Not. Why? Because we COULD NOT. The factory that produced the tanks ordered to live a long time. And the entire mighty Russian industry was unable to make new tanks. We added additional filters and calmed down on this. Perhaps the module will fly to the ISS. Here's the whole approach.
But the tank is just a piece of metal. This is not an EEE component with parameters, say, 7 nanometers. And someone will prove to me that we can handle everything?
Maybe this is why, in accordance with the latest regulations, a processor is considered "Russian" in our country, even if it is NOT even PRODUCED IN RUSSIA? To legally affix the "Made in Russia" label, you just need to buy a license abroad and register your purchase in the Russian Federation. Everything! "Import substitution" took place! But whom do we want to deceive? After all, not everything can, I repeat, be bought in China.
When "when something becomes inaccessible to us" really, we will simply hit the wall. For corny we will not be able to do what is required. This is not the legacy of Korolyov-Glushko to squander. This must be done. Himself. From scratch. Head. With your hands. And there are very big doubts that the result will be.
In the meantime, you can lull yourself with rosy dreams of the spheres-ross. The donkey does not die in one year. There is still time. Dream.

[Disant]

And the entire mighty Russian industry was unable to make new tanks. We added additional filters and calmed down on this. Perhaps the module will fly to the ISS.

and what, someone else did the same tanks?
The ISS is corrected with engines only from Russian segments, only Russian engines with their fuel systems capable of refueling.
you know perfectly well that the tank is not easy.
.

Maybe this is why, in accordance with the latest regulations, a processor is considered "Russian" in our country, even if it is NOT even PRODUCED IN RUSSIA? when something becomes inaccessible to us, "indeed, we will simply hit the wall.

production is established in the USA, China, Korea, Taiwan, which make them according to a given architecture.
but architects are sparse - the United States and Russia.
not as gloomy as you write

[g1v2]

This is just a confirmation of my comment. Piece production is unprofitable. The production will develop ONLY if the CONSTANT loading is provided. If it is not there, then piece things are easier to buy. And I do not lull myself with mriyas. I am an engineer and I look at such things purely as an applied problem. In contrast to the layman brought up on fairy tales and poorly imagining the real production.

[Disant]

The Sphere project is primarily a PN conclusion. First of all, because everything depends on the lack of a well-functioning production of its own electronic components.

why are you so sure? I think that more stringent requirements and tasks were set before the satellite constellation, unparalleled in the world, and this requires time to develop promising equipment.
additional R&D needs to be carried out, and production has nothing to do with this yet.
your fantasy against my argument.

[Lisiy Prapor]

Quote: Cosm22

The Sphere project is primarily a PN conclusion. And if the problem with the LV is not an acute problem (part of the PN can be withdrawn by the second Unions, some - by the Hangara, which, hopefully, will come out sometime from the LKI), then with the PN itself, not everything is going smoothly. First of all, because everything depends on the lack of a well-functioning production of its own electronic components.
Announcing prospects, announcing goals is one thing. Achieving a real result is another. There was already promised communism in 1980, and there were apartments for everyone in 2000.
You can promise both the Sphere and the lunar bases. The trouble is that Wishlist is not always provided with opportunities.
And no matter what they tell us about the benefits of sanctions, this “benefit” is very clearly manifested, first of all, in the state of Russian cosmonautics.
With regard to ROSS, here at least deal with the ISS RS. Although there is a silver lining. Cosmonauts will now be able to smoke at least calmly thanks to the presence of natural ventilation in the Russian segment. Yes, s-s ... What, except for jokes, remains?

I didn't understand half of the abbreviations (okay, almost all), but I added. At least someone on this site, in contrast to these: This is a rainbow-flag site, I wanted to insert a picture, with the caption "Uncle Vova, we are with you," but no.

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Quote: military_cat

Rogozin complains in an interview that "practically assembled" spacecraft are not being withdrawn due to the lack of imported electronic components.

I have already written here more than once that these devices were previously developed for imported electronics within the framework of cooperation. Since May of this year any American components, even those located in European payload systems, are prohibited from deliveries to Russia.

Redesigning vehicles entirely for the domestic EEE and creating a payload based on it takes time.

There will be no foreign EEE in the Sphere system, with a few exceptions.

[Roman070280]

Ten percent ..))
I have no doubt that all 30, or even 50 ..
10 is only at the very first stage right away.
And then another 5 times the deadlines for 20 years have been moved ... and they will ask for the same amount there ...

Shl .. it's enough to remember some unfortunate stadium in St. Petersburg ..))

[Vadim237]

Now a strict audit has been introduced in Roskosmos - nothing will work out to hang down unnoticed.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Doubts gnaw at me that out of 800 billion percent, ten percent will go into the pocket of cunning crooks ...

If not much more! After reading the title, I thought that we are talking about the Russian segment of the Internet, and if they want to include EVERYTHING in it, then more than one generation of donkeys will calmly die here (Khoja Nassredin about a talking donkey), since even the deadlines for the end are not even called approximately!

[astepanov]

So doubts about ten percent gnaw at me. There will probably be more. However, I am also hesitating about the timing, somehow everything is vague, and therefore - and not necessarily. And the source of information, Mr. Rogozin, does not inspire confidence: his profession is to talk about "soon".

[AVA77]

I read the comments, I realized that Kovid is bullshit, doubts are much more dangerous, they gnaw everyone and probably devour without horseradish or with horseradish

[knn54]

1. "In all countries, railways serve for movement, and in our country, moreover, for theft" Today, this concerns, for example, the space program
2. "When and what bureaucrat was not convinced that Russia is a pie that you can freely approach and eat?"
Well
3 .. "The severity of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-binding nature of their implementation."
I just remembered M, E Saltykov-Shchedrin ...

[bk316]

ten percent will go into the pocket of cunning crooks.

Well that's okay. (FROM)
10% is very good, I think maybe more.
In general, any percentage that does not harm the project is fine.
So to speak, a burp of capitalism.
That is why a bowl in the US Army costs like 10 of ours.

[Gunther]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Doubts gnaw at me ...

well, you can't forbid being an optimist)))
"... In 1994, a Russian-German project called Burlak-Diana was presented at an air show in Singapore. But after the first German contribution of 600 Deutschmarks, which disappeared into foreign cars and saunas, cooperation is suspended. "
but, given Dmitry Rogozin's disposition to uncompromisingly tearing off heads, it's time to recall the Burlak aerospace complex with the Tu-160SK carrier aircraft.

[Asad]

I mean, three years ago, Putin gave an order, and in July they will start thinking how and for how much it can be done? Or have you already launched a certain amount, which is not indicated in the article?

[military_cat]

Well, GLONASS will go there, and it has been launched since 1982.

[URAL72]

Well, GLONASS will go there, and it has been launched since 1982.

Inquire about the active life of the satellites in the system. They have changed for the third time. Those Soviet ones have been gone for a long time.

[military_cat]

Quote: URAL72

Inquire about the active life of the satellites in the system. They have changed for the third time.

I, it seems, did not claim the opposite.

Quote: URAL72

Those Soviet ones have been gone for a long time.

They are in orbit, inactive. For example, Cosmos-1491 (NORAD 14259).

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Doubts gnaw at me that out of 800 billion percent ten will go into the pocket of cunning crooks ... a lot of money.
To return to the treasury that they stole in the East.

But there is a precedent.
They also wanted to make money at the Vostochny cosmodrome, but it did not work out. They put, as I heard the other day (I don't guarantee 100%, behind the scenes conversations in the business environment), 28 directors, for real terms.
People are afraid to take government orders, they complain ...

[APASUS]

Quote: RealPilot

But there is a precedent.
They also wanted to make money at the Vostochny cosmodrome, but it did not work out. They put, as I heard the other day (I don't guarantee 100%, behind the scenes conversations in the business environment), 28 directors, for real terms.
People are afraid to take government orders, they complain ...

Come on, tell you. As we ruled, property law is the last thing that is found, then found. And in the USA it goes first, there you must compensate for the loss and receive punishment from the state

[xorek]

Dmitry Rogozin, the cost of the Sphere program will amount to 800 billion rubles, of which 500 billion will be attracted as private investments.

This is what makes me very alarming ... Now, if the money of the arrested thieves were attracted, there would be enough for the lunar program. You can ask for experience and help from China! They catch all of their own, rip off and shoot on the quiet for the good of the state ...

The "Sphere" system should combine the services of communication, data transmission, navigation and remote sensing of the Earth, making them available to everyone not only throughout the territory of Russia, but also abroad.

The idea is good, but you shouldn't forget about the "ravines"

[Glory1974]

Urlichich himself has already been involved in the case of embezzlement of funds at Roscosmos. True, the case was initiated on the fact of theft, and not specifically against it. Therefore, the fears are not groundless.
And then the last cosmonaut who worked there was fired from Roscosmos. Probably cosmonauts in Roscosmos really have nothing to do.

[Cosm22]

But this fact is extremely regrettable.
Krikalev is worthy of all respect.
The reason for the dismissal is generally wild. Shows, however, the level of adequacy of the top of the RK.

[slipped]

Quote: glory1974

And then the last cosmonaut who worked there was fired from Roscosmos.

Lies. Krikalev continues to work at Roskosmos and never quit.

[Cosm22]

Yes Yes.
It was precisely this song that Roskosmos was forced to sing when a storm of angry indignations fell upon it from people who really did something real for Russian cosmonautics, space heroes who understand much more about him than a graduate of the philological faculty of Moscow State University. An avalanche of criticism from cosmonauts Sergei Zaletin, Fedor Yurchikhin, Sergei Zhukov, Svetlana Savitskaya.
They say that Krikalev remains in the Republic of Kazakhstan. Well, just think, they removed the person from the position of the executive director of manned programs and transferred to advisers. After all, Sergei Krikalev was not “removed from office”, but “transferred to a new one”. But the press has already subtly noted that "in the state corporation" Roscosmos "the statuses of the executive director and adviser in terms of importance, responsibility and authority are correlated as the position of the head of the shop and the watchman at the checkpoint." All is well, beautiful marquise.
And the reason for the dismissal is good. Well, Krikalev did not agree with such a level of insanity. It was not clear to him why it was necessary to break the entire manned program over the knee. A third of the working time is down the drain, some of the cosmonauts will skip the line for which they have been preparing for a long time and persistently, because now only two specialists will work on board during the year instead of three (or maybe they will not fly at all). What is all this fuss for?
It turns out that Rogozin urgently needs to remove the movie. Obviously, staying on the ISS Peresild with Shipenko will benefit Russian science more than the full-time work of professionals.
However, it may be for the best for Krikalev. Let Bloshenko take this shame further.

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

Yes, yes. It was this song that Roskosmos was forced to sing when a flurry of angry indignations from people fell on it.

Orchestrated libre media? Who was there? MK, Newspaper I'm lying, Medusa .... Echo of matzo ... well, cool, what.

Quote: Cosm22

critics from cosmonauts Sergei Zaletin, Fedor Yurchikhin, Sergei Zhukov, Svetlana Savitskaya.

Heavy artillery ep-ta. Retired.

Quote: Cosm22

They say that Krikalev remains in the Republic of Kazakhstan. Well, just think, they removed the person from the position of the executive director of manned programs and transferred to advisers. After all, Sergei Krikalev was not “removed from office”, but “transferred to a new one”.

Sure. He will head the new structure for manned flights instead of the old Energievskaya one.

Quote: Cosm22

What is all this fuss for?
It turns out that Rogozin urgently needs to remove the movie. Obviously, staying on the ISS Peresild with Shipenko will benefit Russian science more than the full-time work of professionals.

Of course it will. The list of scientific experiments with them is quite long. Here are just kreakliki about it not in the courses. They need to howl.

[S. Viktorovich]

The start date for "Sphere" was already 15 years ago. Roscosmos will do nothing.

[123456789]

You pododayut, but you do not steal!

[Gunther]

Quote: Cosm22

But this fact is extremely regrettable.
Krikalev is worthy of all respect.
The reason for the dismissal is generally wild. Shows, however, the level of adequacy of the top of the RK.

yes, the decision of the alternatively gifted to remove the next masterpiece on the ISS, in my opinion, is the bottom, on the ISS people are busy, but here is such a "gift"
however, considering how much money is poured from the state budget to creatures (such as Serebryanikov), the desire to warm the hairy fingers is understandable.

[slipped]

Quote: Gunter

yes, the decision of the alternatively gifted to remove the next masterpiece on the ISS, in my opinion, is the bottom, on the ISS people are busy, but here is such a "gift"

Your feedback is very important to us.

Quote: Gunter

however, considering how much of the state budget

Lying is bad. There is no money from the state budget. There is commercial money of joint stock companies.

[Gunther]

Quote: Author

Lying is bad. There is no money from the state budget. There is commercial money of joint stock companies.
companies.

misinterpret even worse)))
facts:
"The Ministry of Culture and the Cinema Fund, which annually allocate more than 5 billion rubles for the production of Russian films"

Pilot-Cosmonaut, Hero of Russia Mikhail Kornienko: “What is unique in this film? That Julia Peresildi the director will fly to the ISS for 10 days in 2 billion rubles..... "
slipped, names-turnouts of "sponsors" in a hurry to share 2 billion rubles, well, except for state funding)))

[slipped]

Quote: Gunter

misinterpret even worse)))

Are you only making it worse?

Quote: Gunter

facts:
"The Ministry of Culture and the Cinema Fund, which annually allocate more than 5 billion rubles for the production of Russian films"

Which side is this here? Are you jealous of what is allocated? Did not understand you.

Quote: Gunter

Pilot-Cosmonaut, Hero of Russia Mikhail Kornienko: “What is unique in this film? That Julia Peresildi the director will fly to the ISS for 10 days for 2 billion rubles ... "

So Kornienko is not aware of their flight program. Probably jealous.

Quote: Gunter

slipped, names-turnouts of "sponsors" in a hurry to share 2 billion rubles, well, except for state funding)))

There is no state funding, there is Glavkosmos JSC, a special commercial structure that previously concluded more than 140 international contracts, which conducts its R&D and purchases of space technology, pays for the training of space flight participants. Launching its own rockets and satellites of private companies. Recently, such a beautiful rocket was launched:

And just now they bought two brand new "Soyuz MS" for space tourists with their earned money for five billion rubles and a penny.

[Mityay65]

Quote: slipped

there, Glavkosmos JSC pays for the training of space flight participants

So the glorious AO Glavkosmos is 100% of Roscosmos. Pocket of Roscosmos. For the little things.
They are sitting in the Roskosmos building too.
It is clear that the idea is not Rogozin, but take the rap for him and make excuses
No, the epic dope with artists in space will be paid for by us, alas ...
And I guess it won't be Sandra Bullock and Clooney in Gravity.

[slipped]

Quote: Mityai65

So the glorious AO Glavkosmos is 100% of Roscosmos. Pocket of Roscosmos. For the little things.

For off-budget replenishment. What's not clear? Therefore, they have had their own programs for a long time.

Quote: Mityai65

They are sitting in the Roskosmos building too.

Soon everyone will move to the NCC building. And not only them. There, the foundation slab of the tower has already been poured.

Quote: Mityai65

It is clear that the idea is not Rogozin, but take the rap for him and make excuses

Yes, he is not going to make excuses The President authorized the launch. What are you?

Quote: Mityai65

No, the epic dope with artists in space will be paid for by us, alas ...

Do you work for Channel One? So who are you? And this is not nonsense. People fly into space to work, according to an interesting program.

[Gunther]

Quote: slipped

.... for preparation
space flight participants are paid by JSC "Glavkosmos" - a special commercial structure ..

even breshete not skillfully)))
JSC "Glavkosmos":
OKFS: 61 -Property of state corporations, subsidiary of the State Corporation on space activities "Roskosmos".

Quote: slipped

So Kornienko is not aware of their flight program. Probably jealous.

poking around in love experiences Cornieno leave slipped - as a specialist)))

Quote: slipped

Are you jealous of what is allocated? Did not understand you.

)))
do not judge by yourself and pull your stereotypes on others.
I'm talking about the inappropriate, in my opinion, use of budget funds.
a private sharaga can use the profit as it pleases - to make a porn film, for example)
the state corporation cannot afford it, or this is the case for the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation and the UK.
So it goes.

[slipped]

Quote: Gunter

even breshete not skillfully)))

It’s easy and pleasant to speak the truth.

Quote: Gunter

JSC "Glavkosmos":
OKFS: 61 -Property of state corporations, subsidiary of the State Corporation on space activities "Roskosmos".

Of course a subsidiary. There are no daughters. What is AO for you to decipher or find it yourself? How does this enterprise make money? Will you find it too?

Quote: Gunter

poking around in love experiences Cornieno leave slipped - as a specialist)))

I will definitely tell him at the meeting what you are leaving.

Quote: Gunter

I'm talking about the inappropriate, in my opinion, use of budget funds.

There are no budgetary funds, there are extra-budgetary funds, and the director of the Glavkosmos has clearly said about this.

[Gunther]

Quote: slipped

there
Extra-budgetary funds and about this director
Glavkosmos said clearly.

Well, I answered - there is work for the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation)))

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What is AO for you to decipher or find it yourself?

better try to decipher State and not to confuse "personal hair with public")))

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Quote: Gunter

Well, I answered - there is work for the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation)))

Nope. Do not be foolish.

Quote: Gunter

better try to decipher State and not to confuse "personal hair with public")))

We have lived under capitalism for a long time. You probably forgot. Private property has a place to be.

[Gunther]

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The satellites will be launched anyway, and so we also got money for our programs from this.

to measure everything for money - "got it, didn't get it" is at least reckless, and to help the enemy build up power, in my opinion, is stupid and criminal.
money for our programs should be given by the central bank, though for this it needs to stop being a branch of the FRS and stop paying into the libor system.
So it goes)))

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Quote: Gunter

to measure everything for money - "got it, didn't get it" is at least reckless, and to help the enemy build up power, in my opinion, is stupid and criminal.

And we have carefully studied the satellites of the enemy and now we are stamping our own with his money - even better. Will this answer suit you?

[Mityay65]

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and now we stamp our own with his money

Greetings, dear
Is there a thread somewhere, on the Internet, a more or less articulate description of the low-orbit communication systems of the "Sphere"? Newly developed and not included for extras like The Messenger?
Or a more or less plausible description of the "Sphere" itself?

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Quote: Mityai65

Greetings, dear
Is there a thread somewhere, on the Internet, a more or less articulate description of the low-orbit communication systems of the "Sphere"?

From low-orbit there "Marathon-IoT" - a grouping of the Internet of things. Here is a render of the satellite-device of the system:

These are the characteristics of the platform:

These are clusters for GO:

In general, I advise you to read the publications of enterprises, everything is there.

Still new ones are the mid-orbital and broadband "Skif", "Express-RV", ERS satellites "Berkut" and Gazprom's "Smotr".

Quote: Mityai65

Or a more or less plausible description of the "Sphere" itself?

Russian Space magazine https://www.roscosmos.ru/media/pdf/russianspace/rk2020-08-single.pdf

[vargo]

Thank you very much for the information! Your data would be in the article, but alas, it is only thanks to you that I learn something interesting)

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only thanks to you and I learn something interesting)

Okay. )

[Gunther]

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We have lived under capitalism for a long time. You probably forgot. Private property has a place to be.

do not be foolish)))
it is better to go to the statutory documents of JSC Glavkosmos, then there will be no nonsense that JSC Glavkosmos will pay 2 billion rubles on the voyage of Julia Peresild and the director to the ISS
for 10 days: this is a lost profit - Roscosmos has a chair for NASA worth $ 80 million and damage in the amount of 2 billion rubles.
The Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation and the Investigative Committee will have something to work on.
So it goes)))

[Engineer Schukin]

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Quote: Engineer Schukin

Which joint-stock companies paid tens of millions of dollars for just two flight chairs?

We don't pay in dollars. We calculate in rubles. The training of space flight participants is paid by JSC "Glavkosmos".

You did not answer the question.