BMPT "Terminator" will be tested during the exercises of the 90th Panzer Division of the Central Military District

Support combat vehicles tanks (BMPT) "Terminator" will take part in tactical exercises of the 90th Panzer Division of the Central Military District. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

According to the report, the exercise will take place from June 16 to 18 at the Chebarkulsky training ground in the Chelyabinsk region. The use of the BMPT "Terminator" in the exercises, according to the military, will have a research character. According to the scenario of the exercises, the BMPT will work out various tasks in combat formations, depending on the tactical situation.

The military intends to test the entire range of Terminators' weapons when firing not only at enemy armored vehicles, but also at low-flying targets at various ranges.

Recall that the Ministry of Defense took a year to test the BMPT, after which a decision will be made on the supply of equipment to the troops. The first stage of testing, dedicated to the general study of machines, ended in February this year. The second stage is completely devoted to the use of BMPT.

To date, the Terminators have worked out interaction with tank units, the crews conducted control firing using the entire complex of weapons. Now it's the turn of the exercises.

Recall that the first batch of eight BMPT "Terminator" entered the 90th Tank Division, stationed in the Chelyabinsk region, for trial operation at the end of November 2020. Prior to that, BMPT was checked during the "Kavkaz-2020" command-and-control system.

BMPT "Terminator" is made on the chassis of the T-72. The vehicle is armed with two 30mm 2A42 automatic cannons, a 7,62mm PKT machine gun, and four launch containers for the 9M120 guided missiles (Attack complex).

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[Jacket in stock]

Funny.
At first they broke something, now they are investigating, but then she gave up.

[poquello]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Funny.
At first they broke something, now they are investigating, but then she gave up.

"something" is it in your fantasies? the terminator was made to remove the infantry from the movement

[xorek]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Jacket in stock

Funny.
At first they broke something, now they are investigating, but then she gave up.

"something" is it in your fantasies? the terminator was made to remove the infantry from the movement

I agree with you, they take care of our infantry, there are not enough Russians ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: xorek

, there are not enough Russians ..

Well, everyone knows who to say thank you to!
According to the article, it makes it angry that no matter what we did, first of the announcement (or cartoon), real samples in the army appear after a decade, or even two.

[hagen]

Quote: Ingvar 72

According to the article, it makes it angry that no matter what we did, first of the announcement (or cartoon), real samples in the army appear after a decade, or even two.

Is it different in the USSR ?! Nobody knew anything, let alone that a forum with discussions in the media ... did not think that such a thing was possible.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Well, everyone knows who to say thank you to!

For men who do not want, and girls who do not give

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Hagen

Nobody knew anything

But now all infa is available, right?

Quote: Hagen

For men who do not want, and girls who do not give

The fact of the matter is that now fornication is held in high esteem, and not procreation.

[hagen]

Quote: Ingvar 72

But now all infa is available, right?

Now they make money on information. Therefore, it flows from each iron in a stream, which is not easy to understand, to find a reliable "grain". And the speed at which information is posted greatly affects the fees for it. Here she sometimes appears much earlier than her ripening.

Quote: Ingvar 72

The fact of the matter is that now fornication is held in high esteem, and not procreation.

In vain you slander the people We Russians are certainly not Saudis. And for infidelity we do not kill anyone with stones. But in public opinion fornication, nevertheless, is a huge distance to honor. I think so....

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Hagen

Now they make money on information.

What are you talking about? Technical withdrawal from the topic of long-term construction in the current military-industrial complex?

Quote: Hagen

In vain you slander the people

The cult of extramarital affairs in every iron. This is for the girls who give too often now.
And for procreation - look around. Not every family has two children.

[hagen]

Quote: Ingvar 72

What are you talking about? Technical withdrawal from the topic of long-term construction in the current military-industrial complex?

This is me to the fact that to present hot news, sometimes it is presented already at the stage of conception, development of technical specifications, and we would like the finished product to go tomorrow. And this despite the fact that the budgetary system itself is a burdensome and long thing. In all countries, it is like that. And we are no exception. At the same time, new products are more and more complex and expensive. I don't even want to discuss the long-term construction of the current military-industrial complex. The topic is vast, with peculiarities in each case, many of which are behind the "seven seals". And I see no point in discussing that the women at the entrance are gossiping.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Not every family has two children.

By the way, this is often the case even in well-to-do families. This is generally a difficult question, why the family has not two, not three children. And often it has nothing to do with the level of wealth or the state system. To look for the blame of the President or the State EEF in this is not a rewarding and hefty tedious business.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Hagen

And we are no exception.

All your reasons are shattered by comparison. With the USSR, and even with the present West.

Quote: Hagen

And often it has nothing to do with the level of wealth or the state system.

Do not be lazy, take a look. Everything is there on the shelves.

[hagen]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Do not be lazy, take a look. Everything is there on the shelves.

Such reports feed presenters. How does such a report explain the average fertility rates per woman: RF-1,6, Germany-1,6, Netherlands-1,6, USA-1,7 ... Ethiopia-4,2, Sudan -4,4. etc. If you follow the logic of the doctor, is the prosperity higher in Sudan than in the USA and Germany? There is an understanding in terms of life expectancy. Partial. Access to medical services can be difficult. But it must be added that Russia, nevertheless, is still in the forefront of Europe, and the world, perhaps, in terms of alcohol consumption, smoking, fatal accidents. Almost the worst of all countries of the first category for vaccination against Covid (and this is in the presence of 3 of their vaccines of the highest quality). And how many violations of the treatment regimen our bedridden patient has ... Therefore, the mass of discontent among citizens with medical care. How justified are they? Here's the question ... Life is more complicated than a clerk's report, even if it is a medical one. This clerk needs to solve problems with a report that he will not say aloud from the rostrum. Take my word for it, he himself composed such (though in a different industry).

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: poquello

the terminator was made to remove the infantry from the movement

And I read another version.
There was simply no infantry.
They were blinded from poverty and blinded from what was. Instead of a platoon of infantry with a pair of infantry fighting vehicles, which are required by the charter, but are absent in life. For in another department they have their own commander and their own supplier.
And here it is attached to the tank and will not go anywhere.

[poquello]

Quote: Jacket in stock

They were blinded from poverty and blinded from what was.

in 1985, infantry poverty?

[113262a]

There are three infantry fighting vehicles in the infantry platoon!

[Real Pilot]

And the Terminator is a great car.
It is slightly lighter than a tank, with a lower hull profile and an uninhabited combat module.

Someone scolds the crew of 5, but the AGS grenade launchers are a wonderful thing, especially considering the work against the infantry.
Not everywhere you need a 125mm cannon, sometimes you need something faster, but just as protected as a tank. Chasing Barmaleev is the very thing, plus there are ATGMs.

In general, as a command vehicle for a unit, this BMPT is very suitable. It has 5 people, it is faster than a tank, there is a panoramic sight of the commander.
After all, two operators of the AGS can perform other tasks, already for the unit: launching a drone, radio communication and the distribution of targets ... You only need to set up computers, and change the configuration of the units. There are opportunities.

[poquello]

Quote: RealPilot

Someone scolds the crew of 5,

the idea in general is 1957, then the windows were torn out, and the infantry shot everyone who protruded from the surviving openings, so extra eyes are needed

[Konnick]

but the AGS grenade launchers are a wonderful thing, especially considering the work against infantry

We do not see them, but they are. On the AGS module? And how to reload by crawling on the roof of the fighting compartment. Already gone crazy on these modules, we need a full-fledged tower without birdhouses with television cameras as in the pavilions of Channel One. At a distance of less than 300 meters, they are positioned for urban conditions, in a minute this module will turn into a leaky sieve with fragments of glass.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Konnick

We do not see them, but they are. On the AGS module? And how to reload, crawling on the roof of the fighting compartment.

you this, before splashing saliva with the materiel, read
food AGS tape. charged inside the fighting compartment. two are located at the front of the case. watch the video, there are shooting from them.

[Konnick]

you this, before splashing saliva with the materiel, read

BMPT "Terminator" is made on the chassis of the T-72. The vehicle is armed with two 30mm 2A42 automatic cannons, a 7,62mm PKT machine gun, and four launch containers for the 9M120 guided missiles (Attack complex).

This is from the article, but what is the video in this article? And sprinkle YOU with saliva, do not choke. I read it, but did not see it either in the picture or in the article. "Do you see them? No. And they are."

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Konnick

I read it, but did not see it either in the picture or in the article.

so I am writing to you, teach materiel so as not to get into a trouble

Quote: Konnick

"Do you see them? No. And they are."

take a closer look in the photo in the article, lower left corner, with a canvas cover on the barrel guess what it is? the second is the same on the other side, but cut off in the photo.

[Konnick]

and you take a closer look at the wink in the photo in the article, lower left corner, with a tarpaulin cover on the barrel of the bully, guess what it is? the second is the same on the other side, but cut off in the photo.

I saw it, but ACS are fixed on the fenders and I think they are just welded in a stationary position.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Konnick

but AGS are fixed on the fenders and I think they are just welded in a stationary position.

that's why I wrote to you to watch the video where they shoot. installed in the housing. the video shows that this is a movable installation, and on the side of it a sight, well, a kind of panoramic figovina. the photo shows two on the case. provides a decent viewing angle.

[Silver bullet]

It would be cool if he had a modular tower for different tasks. The second modern "Prokhorovka" will no longer exist, and the danger for battalion tactical groups comes to a greater extent from high-precision weapons, and strike UAVs pose a particular danger. On a btgr, I would suggest a variant of the installation similar to the AK naval assault rifles instead of 30 mm cannons and the 57mm "Baikal" gun. A high-speed multi-barreled gun would shoot down not so much helicopters, but missiles (bombs) launched by them and unmanned aerial vehicles, and "Baikal" with its range cannot be replaced by targets in the near air and on the ground will shatter at least the calculation of the ATGM, at least any promising BMP. And target designation to them should come from the command vehicles and our reconnaissance UAVs.
PS Do not judge strictly, because I do not work in KB.

[garri-lin]

And with this purpose, he copes no better than a tank. The set of weapons does not correspond to the tasks at all.

[poquello]

Quote: garri-lin

And with this purpose, he copes no better than a tank.

this is generally stupid

Quote: garri-lin

The set of weapons does not correspond to the tasks at all.

and should I write "corresponds"? ))))))))))), specific claims where?

[garri-lin]

30 mm punch with near-zero explosiveness? You need to get very accurately at a great distance to hit. Practical direct hit. On a sheltered one just can not work. Of the advantages, only more ammunition than the tank and a shorter reaction time. It was standard on BMP 2 and it was not worthwhile to fence a separate car for this.
Attack. With thermobar. Expensive but effective according to ATGM calculations. In almost any shelter, it will be enough. But it's expensive. Small ammunition load. The tank will cope not a little worse.
PCT. Drive grenade launchers. Tank 12,7 in DUM will be better.
AGS. That they are, then they are not. The most evil and effective weapon. Useful more than 30 mm. And 300 ammunition per barrel in a single tape. But on the go, will they be able to work 2+ km? Will they be able to hit?
Average review. We need a strong thermal imager so that the sheltered infantry can be seen at a glance for 2+ km. And the UAV.
57 mm LSHO instead of 30 mm pair.
Bulat
12,7 regardless of LSHO. So as not to interfere with each other. Everything is stable.

[poquello]

Quote: garri-lin

You need to get very accurately at a great distance to hit

maybe you read about 2a42)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))

Quote: garri-lin

Bulat

and what is it?

[garri-lin]

2a42? And what to read about her? An excellent weapon for their purposes. But not against the sheltered infantry. High-explosive and fragmentation action is scanty. You need to hit very accurately. And don't talk about the rate of fire. From a short burst, only a couple of shells fall into the target.
AGS hiding in the folds of the terrain will get it with a much higher probability. But here's a minus. Shrapnel through the armor will only scare you. Also weak. But at least it will explode, scattering fragments more rationally. And no accuracy on the go.
Bulat is a mini-version of the Cornet. For shooting at infantry and non-armored vehicles.

[poquello]

Quote: garri-lin

From a short burst, only a couple of shells fall into the target.

I understand you, then you can talk about the accuracy of the Kalash, etc., but I don't see the point

[garri-lin]

Rebuttals? No, they will not do. And what does Kalash have to do with 2a42?

[poquello]

Quote: garri-lin

Rebuttals? No, they will not do. And what does Kalash have to do with 2a42?

for lovers of this argument, the most direct

Quote: garri-lin

You need to hit very accurately. And don't talk about the rate of fire. From a short burst, only a couple of shells fall into the target.

)))))))))))))))))))

[VO3A]

the terminator was made to remove the infantry from the movement

What infantry, what movement ?? Tanks and terminators are in the 3rd echelon ... Their role in a full-scale war is declining ...Modern ground information systems operating in real time, which should include tanks and terminators, and which will return heavy equipment to the "battlefield" we do not have .... For these systems, the terminator is already outdated, it simply does not have the necessary capabilities ...
Let in a primitive form, you can get acquainted with the Chinese analogue, but without the network-centric system ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aus81pzfQ44

[poquello]

Quote: VO3A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aus81pzfQ44

no longer recommend me to watch videos from this weird channel, minus I will put

[VO3A]

Read carefully: in primitive form...

[poquello]

Quote: VO3A

Read carefully: in primitive form...

sorry, that's not the point, ugly form of presentation

[VO3A]

You need to be able to highlight the essential ... But you immediately understood what it was about, otherwise I would have spent a lot of time on a laconic presentation of my thoughts and topics in general ...

[venik]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Funny.
At first they broke something, now they are investigating, but then she gave up.

=======
And this is the path of so many systems! Even the famous Il-2 attack aircraft also went through this! Also for a long time they could not understand: WHAT he should be and WHERE his place in the troops! And "Katyusha" and even T-34: they also struggled to make their way and were considered useless "ugly ducklings" .... WHAT have you become? By the way - for example, easel rocket-propelled grenade launchers, during the War, they did not go into series .... And in vain! They were appreciated only AFTER the War!
Such is the story .... Engineering thought quite often outstrips military thought!

PS And now you can "throw your slippers".

[Wolf]

Engineering thought quite often precedes military thought.

Constantly, the army is a conservative birocratic structure, it does not favor changes, then it is necessary to come up with new tactics of battle and new teachings, etc. This means that the officers constantly have to do themselves.

[Jacket in stock]

The military intend to test the entire range of weapons "Terminators" when firing not only at enemy armored vehicles, but also at low-flying targets

But that would be very useful.
This "terminator" would have a good radar and powerful optics, and replace a couple of anti-tank missiles with anti-aircraft missiles ...
And he would become a "pine")))

[Vadim Ananyin]

Studying the methods of use, the tactics of using any technique is never superfluous. The crews of the machines will gain experience and may change something after the exercises. This process is necessary, and at times on the mattress does not lead to anything as a rule.

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, not "I have a soul" to these BMPTs! On the whole, I think that BMPTs are needed (!) ... by both tank and motorized infantry units ... but of a different "kind"! I have already "stated" that, in fact, even 2 types of BMPTs are needed ... one is a kind of assault tanks to support tanks and "motorized infantry" in urban battles and attacks in advance fortified positions with fortifications .... another .. a kind of "collective or group" KAZ for the protection of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles on the march or in battle formations in the "operational space" from anti-tank weapons!

[pyagomail.com]

When attacking without infantry support, tanks suffer heavy losses. An example is the attack of Soviet tanks on Khalkhin Gol. But then Zhukov simply did not have infantry, did not fit. It is assumed that the BMPT in the attack will protect tanks from RPGs, ATGMs and others. Here, of course, there is a question: if a tank is fired at from a "Javelin" from a distance of 2-3 km, will the BMPT save this tank?

[Alex_You]

And who will protect the BMPT? Without infantry, except in a clear field, in the city, they burn that tanks that this BMPT.

[pyagomail.com]

Quote: Alex_You

in the city they are burning that tanks that this BMPT

The problem is, what the next war will look like is unclear. Against the "barmaley" with their "jihad-mobiles", probably, BMPTs are not bad. A more or less modern war was between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Was there a BMPT location there? It is necessary to study, simulate situations - for this, apparently, and conduct experimental operation. It is not known whether there will be urban battles in the future war. By the way, in Berlin the Germans burned a lot of our tanks from Faust cartridges.

[alexmach]

Against the "barmaley" with their "jihad-mobiles", probably, BMPTs are not bad

The BMPT campaign is a rethought experience of using all kinds of Shiloks on the ground.

[garri-lin]

Of course not. Terminator will not be able to create such a density of fire as Shilka.

[alexmach]

Is she really needed on the ground then? But I agree with the comment above - the choice of weapons for him is strange .. well, let them drive and think.

[garri-lin]

Shilka was driven out in half of the cases for a psychic attack. Those who saw her plowing the target became the target really did not want. Afraid. And in terms of buildings, it is definitely effective. If you walk through the windows, there will be nothing left for a couple of rooms inland.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Alex_You

And who will protect the BMPT? Without infantry, except in a clear field, in the city, they burn that tanks that this BMPT.

Well, by and large it is impossible to "embrace the immense"! Or, as the Fox said, upon learning that there are no hunters on the planet, but no chickens either, "Nothing is perfect"! Right now the topic is popular: equipping MBT with KAZs .... It does not work yet "all at once"! And if at the first stage to give the question such a "nuance": to arm KAZs first of all with BMPTs ("assault" tanks)?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

in the attack will protect tanks from RPGs, ATGMs

But this is unlikely.
Is that to identify and suppress the positions of grenade launchers and rocket launchers. He would have a couple more drones on top in the kit, then he can definitely.

[Xenofont]

All equipment on direct fire is a potential victim in the absence of KAZ, and its introduction into the troops goes with a great creak. It's good that at least new equipment will be guaranteed to be equipped. Indirect evidence from counter-ammunition procurement documents for the Afghani version of Boomerang is encouraging. While a test batch is expected. Here is the explanation for the delay in the adoption of new armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.

[garri-lin]

Why javelin? Everything. I repeat, all ATGMs have a range greater than the effective range of the Terminator. Both in weapons and in means of observation. The trained calculation will shoot from a camouflaged position.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: garri-lin

... I repeat, all ATGMs have a range greater than the effective range of the Terminator.

And what, the "terminator" has some not such ATURES?

[garri-lin]

Terminator's ATGMs are excellent. But there are few of them. And the means of observation of the Terminator do not allow to reveal their potential in terms of range when used according to well-masked calculations. A drone with a thermal imager would help fix that.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

And the drone will not help him much, back in the late 80s it was noted that the 30-mm cannon is ineffective against ATGM calculations at ranges of about 2 km. There was an article about this in one of the departmental magazines. We need a shrapnel shell and preferably with a controlled detonation, well, or a burst from the already mentioned LSHO-57, where the ammunition promises to be much more powerful.

[garri-lin]

A drone would help with long-range target detection. The range of infantry anti-tank weapons is already greater than the line-of-sight range in most theaters. It can fly from afar from under an inconspicuous bush. The technique must exchange intelligence in real time. And some of the technology must see very far. BMPT is great for this.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

That is, only for target detection and guidance of large-caliber artillery? Maybe so, but all the same, the armament raises questions, especially about the power, the angles of elevation of the cannons and the lack of a protected tower.

[garri-lin]

Even in the original configuration, the drone would help to use ATGMs at maximum range. In case of emergency. Otherwise, the weapons must be completely rethought. LSHO 57 for sheltered infantry at distances of more than 2 km is almost an ideal weapon. In the case when you need a large ammunition load.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The Epoch module with a 57-mm LSHO seems to be not ready yet, it meets almost all the requirements.

[garri-lin]

I have already spoken about this here. The ideal BMPT is the T 15 with Epoch and large ammo. DUM 12,7 or 14,5. Several drones in vertical launchers in the stern. And a few kamikaze drones. Here the Chinese version has already been cited as an example. In my defense, I can look for my post from many years ago with a similar description.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The T-15 is a very good car in this capacity, but it got too heavy, and they could have given some slack in the armor somewhere for relief.

[garri-lin]

It's never too late to do it. Protection is a very important parameter.

[V1er]

An interesting and useful car. I would like to see her in action.

[Speedy]

The infantry cannot be replaced (there is no "vertical maneuver - floors, roofs, basements, rubble), but as a means of strengthening you have to look, try ..

[Old tanker]

BMPT "Terminator" is made on the chassis of the T-72. The vehicle is armed with two 30mm 2A42 automatic cannons, a 7,62mm PKT machine gun, and four launch containers for the 9M120 guided missiles (Attack complex).

It is a pity that the article on VO publishes non-technical information.
A batch of BMPTs was delivered to the 90th division:

“It is armed with a new system of anti-tank guided missiles, this is the“ Attack ”, which allows hitting armored targets of the enemy at a distance of up to 6 km,” said Andrei Sigarev, deputy commander for armaments of the 90th Guards Tank Division.

And then there are two 30 mm cannons, capable of firing at infantry and helicopters. Two automatic grenade launchers and a Kalashnikov tank machine gun - all this makes it possible to fight, including in urban conditions, with which the Terminator has already successfully coped with during the Syrian campaign.

[poquello]

Quote: Old Tankman

"Attack", which allows you to hit armored enemy targets at a distance of up to 6 km "

so there are still options from a rocket, d - hits by ten, f - thermobaric

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Everything is simple, like everything great. How did they not think of it before?

[senima56]

"The vehicle is armed with two 30-mm 2A42 automatic cannons, a 7,62-mm PKT machine gun, and four launch containers for guided missiles of the 9M120 family (Attack complex)." - where did the two AGS go?

[Sands Careers General]

There are many modifications. Can be accepted without AGS.

[senima56]

Not so much. By the way, in the photo to the article, the AGS is present!

[Sands Careers General]

It's high time, why did it take so long?
After all, an epic car

[abc_alex]

Quote: Sands Career General

It's high time, why did it take so long?
After all, an epic car

Because the Terminator is not a BMPT. This is a "gun shop" that does not match the order from the military. Required BM with several firing points capable of simultaneous fire at different azimuths. Not a strange tank. The task was to replace a platoon of infantrymen with a machine, since they cannot keep up with the tank and are too vulnerable. And in the BMP are useless. "Terminator" does not correspond to this task. Therefore, everyone tries and tests him ...