Indian press: New Delhi is considering buying from Russia "light tanks" "Sprut-SDM1"

The Indian edition of The Print publishes material by Alex Philip Snehesh, which says that New Delhi is going to choose Russian "lungs Tanks"For your army. Earlier in the Indian press, it was announced that India is going to order a large batch of light tanks that could be used in the highlands - for example, in Ladakh on the border with China.

According to the publication in the aforementioned Indian publication, India is considering the possibility of purchasing Sprut-SDM1 self-propelled anti-tank guns from Russia. This is an airborne (with the ability to drop from a military transport aircraft) armored vehicles, which in India is perceived as an effective means of likely countering Type 15 light mountain Chinese tanks in Ladakh.

Of material Indian observer:

India has set itself the goal of purchasing Russian-made Sprut-SDM1 light tanks. India will also take part in system tests, which will begin at the end of the summer. This will be the first time, because no other country has tested the technology, which is under development, with the participation of observers from another state.

At the same time, Snehesh explains why it was the Sprut-SDM1 that became the subject of Indian interest. According to him, the parameters in terms of weight (18 tons) make it possible to classify this technique as "light tanks", while the "Sprut" has a 125 mm cannon. Numerous tanks of the Indian Armed Forces, which were either purchased from Russia or produced under a Russian license, have a similar caliber. It was noted that there will be a unification of ammunition - for example, with the T-90 tanks of the Indian army.

Print:

While it is generally believed that Russian troops have already deployed the Sprut, sources say the tanks are still undergoing testing and are in the final stages of development. Russia's permission for India to participate in trials of light tanks that can be transported by air, parachuted by parachute systems with a crew inside, was obtained after Defense Minister Rajnat Singh spoke about India's need for light tanks during his visit to Russia in August. 2020.

In Russia, the publication in the Indian press has not yet been officially commented on.

Comments

[Olddetractor]

2S25 excellent self-propelled anti-tank gun

[xorek]

India, with its indiscriminate purchases of weapons, will still pay off .. As it is not serious from them .. They bought from those bought, no system and logistics ..

An old video, but it's still funny .. Thank God our grandfathers didn't see it ..

[figwam]

It is difficult for the Hindus on the T-72 in the mountains to resist the Chinese, so there is an option with the Sprut-SDM1, a worker.

[hrych]

Quote: xorek

They bought from those who bought

It is the unification of the Octopus and T-72 ammunition that gives the deal the logic. And in general, the Octopus is a versatile, amphibious, airborne vehicle with a powerful weapon and it is stupid to be limited to use in the mountains. We have already argued here about India's application for light tanks and the Indians have confirmed the correctness of our position. Now we will test and ride in the mountains.

[Alex777]

If the Indians need it inexpensively and angrily, then, apart from our Octopus-SDM, no one can offer them anything similar.
And the logistics are on our side.
And the contract will help both in finishing the tank and in putting it into service with us.

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

If Indians need inexpensive and cheerful, then apart from our Octopus-SDM

It will not be cheap by definition - the armor is duralumin, and it is expected that the price will be at the level of the first versions of the T-90.
But it is light, it floats (this option is hardly useful for the Indians), it flies across the sky in an airplane belly (two pieces in one IL-76) and feels better in the mountains (thrust-to-weight ratio, light weight).
They would also buy a self-propelled gun on the same chassis for a kit for these tanks. Also airborne with 120 mm. tool exactly for the mountains.
Well, actually the BMP-3M - for a complete set, so that in the mountains and with infantry under armor.
Honestly, I thought that the Indians would ask the Octopus on the BMP-3M chassis - the security is much higher, the thrust-to-weight ratio is prohibitive, and if necessary, you can take 3-4 infantrymen with you (if you keep the entrance from the stern. as soon as possible — they’re in a hurry. ”For them, the test program was expanded with an emphasis on operations in the mountains.

[Grits]

Quote: Alex777

If the Indians need it inexpensively and angrily, then, apart from our Octopus-SDM, no one can offer them anything similar.

From what? Koreans can easily fit, they are just waiting for someone to order.

[Grits]

Quote: hrych

And in general, the Sprut is a versatile, amphibious, landing vehicle with a powerful weapon and it is stupid to be limited to use in the mountains.

Do Indians need these bonuses for a light tank? Why would a light tank need airborne landing? Why is the ability to swim in the mountains? If they want to use it as a light mountain tank like the Chinese Type-15, then they need to throw out everything superfluous from the Octopus - everything related to landing and swimming, variable ground clearance and other useful, but expensive and not always necessary bells and whistles. And in return, add security. At least DZ

[hrych]

If there are mountains on the northern front, there are Tamil separatists in the south. Ceylon has coastal lowlands. India's main adversary is not China, but Pakistan. With the same Pakistan, the mountainous border occupies only a small part (although thousands of kilometers ). The main border runs on the Indo-Gangetic Plain. The main population of Pakistan is concentrated in the Indus Valley. The mountainous border conflict with the PRC was initially limited. And if a large-scale war happens, then besides the exchange of missile strikes, it will sooner happen at sea. Therefore, all the land, millions of India's forces are designed for a war on the plain, I repeat, with Pakistan. It is here that the Octopus is indispensable when crossing the tributaries of the Indus. Nobody canceled the landing operations either, there is an airborne brigade, but apart from the landing, the Octopus is a self-propelled tank being thrown by transport aircraft. India is a large country. Its center is mountainous, and from Sri Lanka, the Indo-Pakistani border, to the mountainous borders with the PRC, it is extremely interesting to have a highly mobile (in terms of transportation) armored grouping.

[knn54]

In many respects it is superior to Turkish Tulpar.

[Castro Ruiz]

TR IN Tulpari never sells because of his friend PC.
Comparison with the Korean LT will be more interesting.
This is a competitor to Sprut-SDM1.

[Barberry25]

here, in fact, one criterion is the price

[Zaurbek]

For better progress, you need to change the "cart" for BMP -3 ..... more "iron". On the basis of which (in the expectation of Kurganets 25), you can build a light-medium tank. And make "buoyancy" an option for those who need it.

[Grits]

Quote: Zaurbek

For better progress, you need to change the "cart" for BMP -3 ..... more "iron"

Then it would be easier to offer the Indians the already developed BMP-3M "Dragoon" with a 125 mm cannon.

[Zaurbek]

Dragoons, in my opinion, should be done instead of BMP3 now, Like the BTR 87, instead of the BTR 82 ... and with the gun you need to carefully watch the weight distribution ... when the engine is in front, a lot of difficulties arise.

[Incvizitor]

Only these usually take a very long time and very clumsily.

[Jacket in stock]

There will be roofing felts, there is no roofing felts.
The Indian press in the retelling of Russian journalists ... and then it turns out that the Indians reprinted this news from some thread of Russian "Zen", where different dreamers practice inventing fairy tales.

[URAL72]

These conversations began in Ladakh. But considering how fast the Indians hold tenders ... On the other hand, when it gets hot, they know how to move quickly. I hope there will be an order. They also need this car in the east - the same mountains, and also forests, rivers, swamps. You can count on 200 pieces.

PS. "Yesterday, May 1, the armyrecognition.com portal reported that the Indian Ministry of Defense published a Request for information (RFI) request for a possible purchase of 350 combat vehicles weighing up to 25 tons."

[Volkov]

Now they should be expected to publish that the cars are not very suitable, but so be it, they will also buy in a large batch. Many times they already praise at the beginning, and as soon as it comes to prices, they begin to actively knock it down. More technology will be required.

[Torins]

They will again arrange dances for 3 years and in the end they won't buy a fig))

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Torins

They will again arrange dances for 3 years and in the end they won't buy a fig))

What if they really, really need it.
Surely they also have such a procedure.
First, they will buy, receive, put in the troops.
And they will immediately start "dancing" that the tanks are not of the same system ...

[Torins]

This option is also possible)))

[Castro Ruiz]

For a war in the mountains, a turbocharged engine and a good cannon lift are a must. Mortar.

[Blacksmith 55]

So there is a turbocharged diesel engine, if I'm not mistaken 510 hp.

[Castro Ruiz]

Then everything is fine.

[Pechkin]

CastroRuiz, are you not from Russia? Really interesting.

[Castro Ruiz]

Not. From Slovakia.
And I'm wondering what kind of hamsters minuses they threw for me for correct distortion. Surely my "amateurs". :)

[Sonmaster]

Do not take to heart.
For the most part, people here are understanding, but there are also trolls-hamsters.

[Castro Ruiz]

Thank you. I endure it with a laugh. There are many smart people on the portal. And these "activists" hamsters already know almost all of them. But the category of the weak-minded also eats, who do not write anything and just walk along the branch with minuses.

[Blacksmith 55]

Ol'govich especially rakes in the minuses.
And in my opinion, he has good comments, but ... it's just that Olgovich is already giving him some disadvantages.
I rarely put cons ochchchen, for great stupidity, it happens.
I think everyone can have their own opinion.
Have a nice day .

[Pechkin]

Not. From Slovakia.

Got it thanks for answering. I wrote to you in vain in what language you write and put a minus (but already corrected it), I decided that someone with such errors writes in their native language. And then I thought that you are a foreigner. Something like this

[Castro Ruiz]

This is not my Russian. This is a google translation masterpiece. I will write in Russian in Latin / phonetically and Google translates.
And then it looks like I’ve only spent 2 summers at the church-parish school. :)

[Pechkin]

Understood, I will know so it will be easier to perceive your comments. Maybe try Yandex translator, it should translate Russian better.

[Revolver]

Try to write in your Slovak and let Google translate. Then correct for him blatant blunders. And if you write phonetically in Latin, try tlit.org, I'm quite happy with it. On the qwerty clave, I type without looking, but in Russian I get confused, the costs of life in America.

[Castro Ruiz]

Thanks for the recommendation.
But I want to train my Russian.

[V1er]

Quote: CastroRuiz

For a war in the mountains, a turbocharged engine and a good cannon lift are a must. Mortar.

2С42 "Lotus. Also an interesting option for mountain warfare. It can shoot both with direct fire and with a canopy. "The tower can provide horizontal guidance in any direction (360 °), while the elevation angles remain in the range from -4 ° to + 80 °" Caliber 120mm. Weight 18 tons, engine power - 450.

[Castro Ruiz]

Yes, yes. Id netrebutsa landing technician in the mountains. Just floating in all cases. The Lotus will put the BMD-4 from the shasi on the BMP-3 and into battle.

[KCA]

Whoever wants to, he calls it so, compared to the "Octopus" PT-76 and not close to a tank, so wedge heel, a misunderstanding

[garri-lin]

Taki on Lotus is not exactly an anti-tank weapon. And India needs an adversary for Chinese light tanks. Although, on the other hand, for the defeat of a light tank, a weapon of high ballistics is not needed.

[bayard]

To enhance the kit for light tanks and "Lotus" would go as a trailer. And precisely for the sake of a weapon of high ballistics. And precisely because in the mountains the cannon sometimes needs to be raised high ... for "direct fire" and for throw-over fire, support with fire from closed positions.

[garri-lin]

In a set for tanks, yes. But not instead.

[bayard]

The Indians are interested in tanks, they will choose them. But in a set for tank units, such self-propelled guns ("Lotus") would be highly desirable in the mountains.
As well as BMP-3M "Dragoon".

[garri-lin]

You can't argue with that. It remains only to pick up the tank.

[bayard]

The best option for the Indians would be "Sprut" based on the BMP-3M "Dragoon", in fact - the actual BMP-3M with the combat module "Sprut". She also has much better booking than the BMD-4, and the engine is more powerful (780 hp, from Kurganets), the thrust-to-weight ratio is simply wild (most for the highlands), and the rearrangement was successful there - the engine went into the bow, The troop compartment has increased in volume, it has become more convenient to enter / exit through the ramp, the booking is strengthened so much that it holds a 30 mm projectile in the forehead, and in the presence of side screens (the same as in Kurganets, it holds a 30 mm side). So if instead of the standard turret you install the Octopus turret, you will get an excellent light tank with MBT armament, good armor (you can install dynamic protection and KAZ on its armor), a monstrous thrust-to-weight ratio and ... a spacious combat and airborne (!) Compartment , in which, if necessary, you can take up to 3 - 4 troops or additional / reinforced BC).
And the self-propelled guns "Lotos" on the same chassis would be very beneficial for the Indians to have, especially for the highlands. And they have mountains everywhere.
Well, actually the BMP-3M itself for joint use.
And it's all on one base. With ease of maintenance, repair, training of driver-mechanics, and precisely for action in the mountains and highlands.

In general, I made an advertisement, justified it, let them choose now.
But I'm afraid that the Indians need all this as soon as possible and they will not be able to wait for the creation of the Octopus on the basis of the BMP-3M ... Well, let them take it as it is - in the amphibious version, but together with the Lotus (on the same chassis BMD-4 "). And think hard about the" Dragoon "- he himself is like a light tank - 100 mm. cannon + 30 mm. + 8 troops.
We have everything to choose.

[garri-lin]

Damn, but competently you managed to collect everything to a heap.

[Old tanker]

Low-power cannon against armored vehicles. And the Indians are going to fight with tanks in the mountains, and not drive dushmans. Lotus, just against them is good, not against tanks.

[V1er]

In the mountains, they will not have an enemy who needs 125mm tank shells. The mountain armored vehicles of China have cardboard armor due to the observance of the mass.

[Barberry25]

here it is another matter, as if it will be difficult to get out of the howitzer cannon + low speed has a minus that you can hit the enemy, but if he manages to find it, he will amaze you too, so let them take the Octopus and reinforce it with self-propelled guns.

[V1er]

Quote: Barberry25

here the point is different, it will be difficult to get out of the howitzer cannon + low speed has a minus,

Same. See about Kitolov-2. It will hit any Chinese tank from the first shot. The main desire of the Indians is to develop these types of weapons. Then it won't rust behind us. There will be an order and funding, ours will invent any shells and modifications that will neutralize the enemy's mountain armored vehicles. The groundwork is huge. The choice remained with the Indians.
I will also add that in modern warfare, as Karabakh has shown, reconnaissance and target designation, including from an UAV, are very valuable. So, a fire raid on the enemy on target designation, from the terrain inaccessible for direct fire, will become fatal for him. As we know, you can't lift heavy artillery into the mountains either. So the Lotus wins here too.

[Barberry25]

and you can also buy anti-tank systems of the 3rd generation .. so that with a guarantee .. the task is not to hit, but to hit and inexpensively .. in fact, take one car, and then buy expensive shells .. this is at least stupid

[V1er]

About "inexpensive" it's not about Indians)

[Barberry25]

well, these are the problems of the Indians, but here the question is to make an offer that will suit them with a guarantee ... and if they buy a couple of hundred tanks, then others will catch up later

[Old tanker]

The Chinese already have them in Lagkah. And dade their light tanks are equipped with additional hinged protection modules, which enhances the main booking. It is in Lagki that the Indians are planning to send light tanks.

[V1er]

The Chinese already have them in Lagkah. And dade on their light tanks additional modules of hinged protection are installed

I advise you to check out this video.


And with this video, to save time, it's best to start at 1:54. And then there will also be about "Kitolov".

And now ask yourself a question, would you like to sit, for example, in a bmp3 with a mounted reactive armor "Cactus", when a 152mm projectile or guided ammunition "Kitolov-2" is flying at you. Even old NATO and Soviet tanks will be scattered to pieces. Not to mention the cardboard type-15.

[Old tanker]

The commercials of the factories must be treated very critically. As well as the jingoistic patriotic programs on TV.
Guided missiles are very expensive, semi-active laser guidance is not always possible. And this process is not as simple as it seems. I personally had to observe this process. Well, on a moving maneuvering target, it is ineffective, since the operator illuminates the target manually, provided there is a line of sight. The use of such ammunition is most effective only against a stationary target.
So the Octopus is much more suitable as an anti-tank weapon (for which it was created), since it has an automatic target tracking mode and a "hunter-killer" function.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Old Tankman

semi-active laser guidance is not always possible. And this process is not as simple as it seems.

This is one of the reasons for the lack of missiles in the BC of US and NATO tanks. Although the prototype wagon. A projectile + high-class MSA, under certain conditions, is more effective than a rocket. Therefore, rocket armament did not supplant barrel armament.

[V1er]

There will be an order and funding, ours will invent any shells and modifications that will neutralize the enemy's mountain armored vehicles. The groundwork is huge. The choice remained with the Indians.

An example with T-90 tanks. Invented, was not in demand. Hindus gave life. 1100 units in service with India. For example, Russia has only 300-500 different modifications. There would be an order and money - ours will do it.

[V1er]

What is the dispute about? The gun is universal, necessary. Chinese tanks are not a hindrance for her. Let the Indians think.

[Castro Ruiz]

I think against the Chinese LT and the Lotus cannon go down. The armor is also made of cardboard.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: CastroRuiz

For the war in the mountains and a good gun lift. Mortar.

Then you need a self-propelled gun "Carnation"

"Carnation" - floats
Firing range up to 15km
The weight 15,7 tons
Gun caliber 122mm
The meaning of the self-propelled guns "Carnation" is shooting from behind cover at 15 km
"Light tank" Octopus shoots only at targets in line of sight, but armor only from 7,62x54mm. (they will object that they will hold 12,7mm ... then they themselves in armor and into battle ...)

[bayard]

Quote: CastroRuiz

and a good gun lift. Mortar.

But this is for a new ACS on the same chassis (for the Airborne Forces) - 120 mm. , even with a mine, even with a shell. For cross-country shooting and shooting with a large elevation of the barrel - the very thing.

[Jacket in stock]

And since the Octopus tank is of course not a tank, but as an enhancement of anti-tank capabilities, it is quite a useful thing.
And if you also screw it on with the option of the type of additional booking, when you don't expect to fly or fly, then it may become even more useful (if the engine pulls).

[garri-lin]

The engine will pull in the field. And most likely not in the mountains. Or rework the boost.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Jacket in stock

, but as an enhancement of anti-tank capabilities, it is quite a useful thing.
).

Then you need ATGM "Chrysanthemum-S"
The point is in the launch range of 9M123-2 missiles up to 6000m.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: cat Rusich

Then you need ATGM "Chrysanthemum-S"

they already have rockets, but a rocket is still not a cannon.

[Incvizitor]

You can then have dragoons there and armor and 30 mm and 2A70 against light tanks will be enough.

[rocket757]

In Russia, the publication in the Indian press has not yet been officially commented on

... And it is right!

[Voltsky]

Uvn for mountainous terrain is not very

[Castro Ruiz]

Where I read, INTO for IN are working on the BMP-3 shasi with torsion suspension to replace the capricious hydropneumatic BMD-4 and the turret with the gun remains like the Sprut-SMD1.

[sen]

If India buys Sprut-SDM1 from us, then it must be persuaded to buy the Vienna self-propelled gun for shooting with high elevation angles in the mountains (Lotus is not yet ready for sale) and work together to adapt to the requirements of India. "Derivation -Air defense ". For example, add the Kornet ATGM in armored casings and armored covers that open before the shot, a 12,7-mm machine gun paired in the upper module.

[garri-lin]

If we offer Derivation as a PT means, then it is better to invent BOPS. Fully Indian account.

[garri-lin]

Octopus for the mountains is a controversial decision. The survivability of the chassis. Traction of tracks on rocky ground. Engine in thin air. UVN. A lot of positions need to be looked at for compliance. Well, a lot will have to be finalized.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You might think that Derivation-AA is much better with this. The Hindus had very specific requirements, such as an auxiliary propulsion system and a heater. In general, only exotic Magnolia fits their needs.

[garri-lin]

Speaking about Derivation, I half-jokingly offered to promote them to finance the development of BOPS. Magnolia is right? Two-linker?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There probably is a heater, just as they ask, the arctic version is all the same.
BMP-3 suits them. But how to fit the auxiliary propulsion system there, as they want, I have no idea.

[garri-lin]

There is a lot of space in the troop compartment. You can put a generator from a good manufacturer there.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I doubt that anything with the Indians will work out in this regard, they have not yet decided what they want. Could have taken a couple of dozen BMP-3 for trial. Maybe a wheeled tank would suit them, but with a high ballistic cannon of about 76-100 mm and a large barrel lift angle, but this does not exist in nature.

[garri-lin]

The fact of the matter is that the Indians urgently need a light tank adapted for operations in the mountains. Complex, highly specialized equipment. Any attempt to substitute ersatz will end badly. And actually it is not entirely clear that they need an anti-tank weapon against the Chinese, or all the same a wagon to support the infantry. In the first case, a small caliber of high ballistics. In the second, a large caliber of low ballistics with a heavy projectile.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The BMP-3 is a good car, in vain they ignore it, they could open production under a license, as with deuces, with the changes they only need.

[garri-lin]

Maybe. BMP 3 is an excellent and proven platform. Dragoon and Derivation proved it. Only improvements will take a long time. And to be honest, the impression is made that they themselves do not fully understand what they need.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Self-propelled guns like Carnation and Acacia are very useful in the mountains, but they have a low rate of fire. A 122 mm gun on the chassis of a larger Acacia would have looked good, but with an automatic loader. But this is from the area of ​​wishlist.

[garri-lin]

For such modernization, no one will definitely undertake. The technique is outdated.

[ccsr]

New Delhi is about to select Russian "light tanks" for its army.

I have always believed and still believe that light floating tanks or light self-propelled guns are always promising for many countries of the world, and therefore we should not deal with "Armata", but create a couple of samples of such equipment and try to sell them to other countries.
Well, the reaction of the Ministry of Defense is not entirely clear - the Indians invented it or something was discussed:

In Russia, the publication in the Indian press has not yet been officially commented on.