“Our” media cannot be the same as “not ours”

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“Our” media cannot be the same as “not ours”
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Recently I read material in one of the very famous RIA, which amazed me. No, not in style, awareness or freshness of thought. He struck me with how beautifully it tells about ... Russia's actions in the Donbass. Although neither Donbass nor Russia is mentioned in the article. We are talking about completely different states, well known to us. I waited three days to read at least somewhere an analysis of this material, but ...

It turned out that weed grains can be safely thrown into "our garden", however, it is necessary to pour them into a bag with the inscription "oats". And then no one will notice the substitution of this very "oats" for "wild oats". Moreover, people with little interest in the topic will be sure that they have really sown oats and will sincerely defend the crops from enemies.



I am far from thinking that this was done on purpose. Most likely, in my opinion, this is a desire to talk about a topic that has somehow been forgotten in Russia recently in connection with the upcoming large-scale events in world politics. This is clear to me. This is the work of a journalist, the highlight of the work, I would say. Only here is a little not thought out.

Like beautiful cinematic shots about the death of a hero who stood up to his full height in front of the enemies and showered these very enemies with bursts from a machine gun. 2 seconds. Nice, but stupid. And fools at the front live a little. And a living soldier is more important for a commander than a dead hero.

The virus does not attack head-on. The virus attacks from within


I will now quote pieces from the material, simply changing the names of the states in question. I will do this on purpose. I repeat, these are not literal quotes, the names of the states have been changed by me in order to make it clear how deep the seeds of this "wild oat" can be laid. So, the Ukrainian news agency reports:

“The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry condemns the actions of the Russian regime, which has created a mechanism for registering acts of civil status in terrorist-controlled areas of Luhansk and Donetsk regions. Ukrainian passports and family documents are canceled and replaced by illegal ones - Russian ones. This is the apogee of the Russification policy, "the Ukrainian news agency reports."

“Traditionally, Moscow uses soft power. The schools were restored or rebuilt, the program was adapted to the Russian one. For example, in textbooks on stories “Russian occupation” was replaced by “voluntary annexation”. Thousands of teachers receive salaries from a neighboring state, Russian is taught from the first grade. Graduates are offered to enter Russian universities. "

"The problem is that Russia is behaving in Donbass as at home, although Russian troops are in the east of the country illegally, not by the decision of the UN Security Council and not at the invitation of Kiev."

“A terrorist enclave has formed in Donbass, in which the most radical groups are located,” the expert continues. “The very idea of ​​restoring Ukrainian sovereignty there is unacceptable to them. Slowly the Russians are creating conditions for "biting off" these territories and annexing them to Russia. "

I think these quotes are enough for readers to have an opinion about where such materials come from. And a conviction has already been formed about which side should be supported in this situation. Remember the many times repeated words about a single people, about the brotherhood of Slavic peoples? This is an appendage.

We really must help the people of Donbass in all available ways. We are truly one people. Yes, Russia is big, the Russian northerner and the Russian southerner look different, they speak a little peculiarly. And Russians have a lot of nationalities. There are many races. There are many ways of life. There are many religions.

But all this fades if all these Russians are defending their country. Your Russia. The answer to who the Russians are can be read on the inscriptions on the mass graves of soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. Ivanov, Ostapenko, Vuyachich, Abdullaev, Avanesyan, Goridze, Kim, Nerkagi, Salchak Kasygbai ...

And now real quotes from the material that was published.

“The Syrian Foreign Ministry condemns the actions of the Turkish regime, which has created a mechanism for registering acts of civil status in the terrorist-controlled areas of Idlib. Syrian identity cards and family documents are canceled and replaced by illegal ones - Turkish ones. This is the apogee of the Turkization policy, "the Syrian news agency reports."

“Traditionally, Ankara uses soft power. Schools were restored or rebuilt, the program was adapted to Turkish. For example, in history textbooks "Ottoman occupation" was replaced by "Ottoman rule". Thousands of teachers receive salaries from the neighboring state, and Turkish is taught from the first grade. Graduates are offered to enter universities in Turkey. "

"The problem is that Turkey behaves in Syria as at home, although Turkish troops are in the north of the country illegally, not by the decision of the UN Security Council and not at the invitation of Damascus."

“A terrorist enclave has formed in Idlib, in which the most radical groups are located,” the expert continues. “The very idea of ​​restoring Syrian sovereignty there is unacceptable to them. The Turks are slowly creating conditions for "biting off" these territories and their annexation to Turkey. "

My attitude to the idea of ​​the Turkish president has long been known. And this attitude is sharply negative. "Great Turan" is an ordinary utopia that sells well before the elections. Everyone understands perfectly well that there are few countries in the world that will agree to give up their sovereignty in order to enter a new state on the rights of any region.

Rather, President Erdogan dreams of creating a bloc of states united along ethnic or religious lines like the EU or the CIS. This fits much better with the logic of Turkey's actions in recent years. The Turks are well aware of the fading away of Europe and the United States. Therefore, they strive to take a higher place in the new world. Ankara cannot swallow other countries. The "mouth" is too small.

In the matter of the actions of the Turks in Idlib, I do not see any danger for Russia. Emotions aside, what do we get in the bottom line? The fraternal people of the Turks live on the territory belonging to another state. This state, due to objective reasons, cannot provide a normal life for these people at the moment. The long-term domination of terrorists has formed a completely different attitude towards the state among the inhabitants of Idlib.

Turks build hospitals and schools ... Is that bad? The Turks are repairing roads and rebuilding cities and villages ... Is that bad? Turks issue documents to those who wish ... Is that also bad? Not sure. People have been living for years without hospitals, schools and passports. People live virtually without any rights. They are nobody.

Can Syria at the moment, even if the Turkish army leaves Idlib, ensure the same rapid restoration of the province that we see now? Unfortunately no. There is one more factor that for some reason we do not take into account. President Erdogan has not yet talked about the annexation of the province to Turkey. All our reflections on such a possibility begin with “if” ... I would pay more attention to the forces that seek to create their own state. The separatists.

Relations between nations, even in one state, are delicate matters


It is clear that the preservation of territorial integrity is a vital issue for any state. The loss of any territory entails a whole bunch of problems. We are used to considering such events from the point of view of the "belly", from the point of view of the economy. Lost minerals, lost factories, lost manpower. This is all true.

On this occasion, I remembered our 90s. Smokers remember when filter cigarettes suddenly disappeared from our stores. They disappeared simply because the only factory for the production of fiber for cigarette filters was outside Russia, on the territory of one of the Transcaucasian republics. An example, of course, is not so-so, but it was. As was the fact that the severance of Ukraine's ties with the Donbass and Russia stopped the Ukrainian and Russian factories.

But there are other connections as well. Not so important from the point of view of the state, but the most important from the point of view of people. These are relatives, this is religion, this is the opportunity to live like a human being. By and large, for an ordinary person, his home, his family, his children are more important than the ambitions of the capital's politicians. And this person will choose not "a crane in the sky", but "a tit in his hands." He will choose stability, predictability, prosperity, the ability to raise and educate children.

Probably, many Russians have a heartache for their relatives and friends in Ukraine. Not for Ukraine as a state, but for my mother, father, brother, sister, acquaintance, friend. For specific people who are close to us. The same is happening in Syria. The exact same thoughts are in the minds of the Syrians. You cannot treat the same events in different ways. “Ours” can and should, but “theirs” cannot. In my opinion, the principle should be different - this is possible, but this is not possible.

With our rude actions or words, we can offend just an ordinary person. And then all our help in the fight against terrorism, our humanitarian convoys for the population of Syria, and ultimately the death of our guys on Syrian soil, will turn into zilch. People live in the territory controlled by President Assad better - great. People live in the territory controlled by the Turks, better - great.

The task of politicians and diplomats today is to agree on the further structure of Syria as a state, after the defeat of the terrorists. Under what conditions will Idlib return to Syria? What kind of relations will the inhabitants of this province have with Turkey, with Russia, with the United States and other countries?

Subtotals


The rhetoric used by some of our journalists copies the most unpleasant examples of Ukrainian propaganda. We laugh at the Ukrainian media, but we allow ourselves to use their manuals, their methods of influencing the brain of citizens.

I understand that I want to win. I want to win at once, with one blow. Only even when they were in the trenches, people understood that the slogan "war will write off everything" was vile. War will not write off anything. You can't get away from yourself. You can't get away from your own conscience. You can't get away from your own tribunal.

Syria today is such a complex tangle of problems that it will not be possible to resolve it with “one blow of the sword”. This knot will be more serious than the one that got from King Gordius to Alexander the Great. And we will unravel it for a long time and carefully. It is very important to keep your hands and heart clean. Do not lose yourself in a fit of “patriotic anger”.
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  1. +15
    14 June 2021 05: 35
    I started reading. I read up to the first block of quotes. I realized that nifiga did not understand. I gave up reading.
    Probably, the author wanted to say something important (otherwise why sculpt such a footcloth?), But maybe the introduction to the article should have been made shorter? And more intelligible, otherwise everything is too mysterious, allegorically somehow. Just like at the Madrid court. But not all Spaniards are here.
    1. +18
      14 June 2021 05: 51
      There further it all comes down to the fact that "guys, let's live together."
      People live in the territory controlled by President Assad better - great. People live in the territory controlled by the Turks, better - great. It is very important to keep your hands and heart clean.
      I did not recognize the author in makeup, such a stream of enlightenment and peacefulness, purity and spiritualization in the morning - not Staver, but the Apostle Peter.
      1. +11
        14 June 2021 06: 10
        No, I immediately recognized the author. But today he really was too smart for himself.
        Thanks for the brief summary, otherwise I would, I'm afraid, even by the evening would not have mastered it.
        1. +4
          14 June 2021 15: 57
          Firstly. The author Alexander Staver expressed himself in this article in the language of the liberal "market-oriented" consumer - in the spirit of the supporter of the Turkish "soft power" of the colonialist-conqueror in the SAR. Like, for ISIS, Kurds, etc. where there is "sausage" - there is for a citizen of the SAR and "Rodina".

          And secondly. The author's comparisons of Syrian-Turkish relations with Russia, Ukraine and Donbass are so incorrect that such comparisons ultimately cannot be called simply political-ideological manipulation in favor of the United States. Namely.

          At the same time, there is nothing to put on a par with Ukraine with Donbass and Syria with ISIP! But it is precisely this attempt that the author makes provocatively when he talks about the national and religious divisions in the issue of SEPARATISM in one country - using the example of Ukraine and Syria and the attitude of Russia and Turkey to what is happening there ..

          And the DIFFERENCE in this matter is as follows.
          Russian Zelensky is deliberately ignored to be an INDIGENOUS people in Ukraine, because then, according to the UN Declaration, by their number they have the RIGHT to SELF-DETERMINATION. As in the Crimea. Or as in the unrecognized republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.
          After all, there is the UN Declaration on Indigenous Peoples. And this is normal international practice. We open this Declaration and read there article No. 3. “Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of this right, they freely establish their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. "
          And therefore Kiev, seized by supporters of the anti-Russian party, with one stroke of Zelensky excludes Russians from among the indigenous peoples of Ukraine.
          What does Staver offer Russians to put up with in Ukraine? Proposes to put up with the policy of genocide by the MINORITY against the MOST of the population of Ukraine - contrary to the UN Charter!
          And in the SAR we are talking about something else - about the secession of the national MINORITY and the dictatorship by the MINORITY to the majority of the population of SAR.

          If we talk about Ukraine, then, unlike Russia, we must not forget about Poland and Lithuania!
          In Ukraine, Warsaw and Vilnus are doing the same thing as Turkey in Syria - i.e. from the standpoint of the CONQUERING-IMPERIAL policy of Warsaw on the organization of separatism of the Ukrainian Poles in Ukraine and in the Republic of Belarus. And also from the position of the CONQUERING-IMPERIAL policy of Vilnius in relation to the Lithuanians in the Republic of Belarus. And there, and there we are talking about the dictatorship of the MOST from the national MINORITY in the country.

          Russian President Putin has already said about the draft law "On the Indigenous Peoples of Ukraine" that the idea of ​​dividing peoples into indigenous and not is reminiscent of the practice of Nazi Germany.

          In fact, Staver, on the one hand, defends Hitlerism in Ukraine, and on the other hand, defends Erdogan's imperial ambitions to create a Great Turan by Turkey.
          This position of the author is extremely hostile to Russia and the Russian people!
    2. +12
      14 June 2021 06: 09
      Quote: Dalny V
      I realized that nifiga did not understand. Quit reading

      Same. I just read the ending, I wanted to find something intelligible there. But no. hi
      1. +7
        14 June 2021 13: 43
        Yes, everything is clear. Took the analogy of Donbass-Idlib. And he says that the Turks are good, and the entire local population loves them, so that Assad has nothing to do there. But why did the author not consider the problem of the Kurds and Turks in the same plan?
    3. +7
      14 June 2021 07: 01
      You and I often have different opinions, but that's it, on this article. In its confusing - tricky at the beginning, I absolutely agree with you.
      I re-read this gibberish several times: "... Russia's actions in Donbass. Although neither Donbass nor Russia is mentioned in the article.
      Straight, as in the song of "Leningrad": I drank - I didn’t drink, I didn’t give!
    4. +4
      14 June 2021 08: 27
      We understand that nothing is clear ... the idea should be stated clearly and understandably. but not that five institutes will be trying to figure it out for eight years: what did the author want to convey to the reader?
    5. +6
      14 June 2021 12: 22
      Quote: Dalny V
      the author wanted to say something important

      Yeah ... You can learn a lot about Russians.
      And Russians have a lot of nationalities. There are many races. There are many ways of life. There are many religions.

      There are many races! Well, wow! In fact, this is again an attempt to depersonalize and blur the Russian people.
      The answer is who are russian, can be read on the inscriptions on the mass graves of soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. Ivanov, Ostapenko, Vuyachich, Abdullaev, Avanesyan, Goridze, Kim, Nerkagi, Salchak Kasigbay ...

      These are the Russians. Mysterious and varied ...
      While in Russia there are diasporas as isolated islands of national culture, or whole nat. republics, which have their own laws, and from which Russians were expelled, the author suggests not to make a distinction between Russians and Russians. Enough of this wretched demagoguery. The Russians have one race - Indo-European. Religion / worldview - Orthodoxy / atheism, one nationality - Russians. The way of life, plus or minus, is the same. Russians are Russians. State-forming people recently, so then!
      1. +6
        14 June 2021 13: 53
        Quote: Hyperion
        State-forming people recently, so then!

        Does the state-forming people have their own republic, government, parliament? Under the USSR, there was the RSFSR, despite all the Soviet internationalism and the count - the nationality was in the passport. So all these rantings about the state-forming people are nothing more than one more "noodle" for the "electorate." Either all the republics, since the federation, or no one, something like that.
        1. +5
          14 June 2021 16: 36
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          So all these rantings about the state-forming people are nothing more than one more "noodle" for the "electorate."

          Yes, that's understandable. It's just that Staver, an ardent Putinist, decided to remind that the amendments to the constitution somehow define the Russian people as a separate ethnic group. And then the author mixed everyone in a bunch: the Ivanovs and Avanesyanov ... I'm tired of this chatter about the fact that "we are all Russians, Russians," while all the other peoples of Russia are clustered in diasporas and republics.
          There are Russians - citizens of Russia. And then there are the Russians - the East Slavic people.
          And speculation on the topic: Russians = Russians of pure Russophobia. Denial of ethnic identification by 80% of the population of the Russian Federation.
          1. +1
            14 June 2021 17: 45
            Quote: Hyperion
            And speculation on the topic: Russians = Russians of pure Russophobia. Denial of ethnic identification by 80% of the population of the Russian Federation.

            Otguglitsya for what Demushkin was sitting. Read Article 282 carefully.
            1. +1
              14 June 2021 18: 10
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Otguglitsya for what Demushkin was sitting. Read Article 282 carefully.

              Why should I read article 282?
              1. +2
                14 June 2021 18: 17
                Quote: Hyperion
                Why should I read article 282?

                That would not sit down for harmless statements about the Russian question. Look at what Demushkin was imprisoned for, and he was not the only one who was imprisoned for such things.
                1. +2
                  14 June 2021 18: 20
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  That would not sit down for harmless statements about the Russian question.

                  There is nothing in my statements that would fall under the 282nd. It is rather Armenians, Georgians, Koreans, Ukrainians, etc. in Stavier. will be sued for what he calls them Russians.
    6. +3
      14 June 2021 13: 40
      Sasha, you see, went through a thought on the Day of Russia, he seems to be trying to convey a sensible thought, but how he tries ... And the pacifist conclusion at the end, this, apparently, is the third stage of festive use - all people are brothers! laughing
  2. +6
    14 June 2021 06: 26
    the principle should be different - this is possible, but this is not possible.
    The author, this principle can work only on condition that both sides are morally and morally healthy and distinguish real evil from good without mixing politics with it. Do you see this in the west or in the same Ukraine?
    1. +1
      14 June 2021 13: 46
      The question is: why do mattress makers have all the citizens of their country on a mattress (as you look at - all nationalities from all over the world), while in Russia they propose to share according to some national characteristics - who invented this - "diaspora"? You have a Russian Passport - Russian, and your nationality will remain with you and you will be proud of it. For reference: in the Leningrad region. a woman of nationality "vodka" from the ancient people of "vod" came to work ...
  3. +7
    14 June 2021 06: 38
    President Erdogan has not yet talked about the annexation of the province to Turkey.
    ... A bad thing, not a cunning one smile Yes, and it's too early to tell him yet. He will settle down in Idlib and say. The main thing is that Russia has bases in Syria. Yes? smile Everyone got his own. Russia - bases, Turkey - Idlib, the United States - oil, the Kurds - a semi-state. And whether the terrorists were defeated there, they did not win, it's the tenth thing. The main thing is that they were there, otherwise you can lose your own. All of the above went to Syria to kill the terrorists, disinterestedly. laughing
  4. +3
    14 June 2021 06: 40
    Judging by the title, we need to change the rhetoric in the media. I agree with that. We must be understandable to the rest of the world. Other countries must hear the difference in the media. By the way, people inside the country should also hear the difference between our media and our opponents.
    1. +2
      14 June 2021 07: 29
      You are one of the few who have not just read, but pondered. This is what I am trying to achieve. Thank you.
      It's scary when articles are consumed like soup in the dining room-like-disliked. And they have no opinion of their own
      1. +1
        14 June 2021 08: 35
        Quote: domokl
        You are one of the few who have not just read, but pondered. This is what I am trying to achieve. Thank you.
        It's scary when articles are consumed like soup in the dining room-like-disliked. And they have no opinion of their own

        Unfortunately, the time to read is gone. Consumer society, clip thinking rules.
        Insta and Tik-Tok won't let you lie. Outside is the world of post-modernism and digital neo-feudalism.
        We should not allow inside the turmoil, how can we influence the Near Abroad.
        Personally, I will be calm when we have an analogue of the great Chinese Firewall.
      2. +12
        14 June 2021 08: 36
        It's scary when articles cannot be used like soup in a canteen, because they are generally inedible, unreadable. In the days of my windy youth, I was taught at the Faculty of Journalism that the material should be presented as if there was ... (stupid) to your left, and a genius to your right. And so that both of you understand. That is, the simpler the better. An article is still not an encryption to the center, you know.
    2. 0
      14 June 2021 09: 48
      Quote: nikvic46
      we need to change the rhetoric in the media

      The media, or rather the Means of Formation of the Worldview, are one of the tools of ideological power that forms the consciousness of the people for the goals and objectives of the dominant concept in a convenient form for the people.

      To change the rhetoric of the SFM, it is necessary to change the concept of life, change the social system.
      1. +1
        14 June 2021 12: 58
        Quote: Boris55
        To change the rhetoric of the SFM, it is necessary to change the concept of life, change the social system.

        Well, yes, we did.
        You propose to change the system by joining the "party of power" and, filling it with a new meaning, promoting your attitudes and concepts, replacing its interests with your own, as a result to take over control. And all this is continuously increasing the nationwide support of the President.

        Do I understand you correctly?
        1. 0
          15 June 2021 07: 23
          Quote: Normal
          Do I understand you correctly?

          Yes, right. The President already has high support, you don't have to worry about that.
          1. 0
            15 June 2021 08: 37
            Quote: Boris55
            The President already has high support, you don't have to worry about that.

            This means that you are not planning to increase support for the President.
            At the same time, you want to infiltrate power, take over control and change the formation.
            What am I not confusing?
            And a couple more questions.
            If it does not bother you, name those socio-political forces that you represent, and whose intentions you publish.
            What are the approximate dates for the implementation of your intentions?
            When, at least approximately in the interval from 10 to 100 years, to wait for the change of order?
            1. -1
              15 June 2021 08: 46
              Quote: Normal
              This means that you are not planning to increase support for the President.

              Much more. Almost 77% is enough.



              I am a Bolshevik. The speed of implementation depends on the speed of the people mastering the Sufficiently General Theory of Management (DOTU). If forced into heaven, then it will turn into hell.
              1. 0
                15 June 2021 18: 37
                Quote: Boris55
                Much more. Almost 77% is enough.

                Clarify your position.
                Do you, you personally, support the President of the Russian Federation, his domestic and foreign policy?

                Quote: Boris55
                I am a Bolshevik.

                Specify, if not difficult.
                What exactly do you mean by the term "Bolshevik"? What time frame and party do you mean? RSDLP (b)? VKP (b)? Or something else in accordance with your ideas.

                Quote: Boris55
                The speed of implementation depends on the speed of the people mastering the Sufficiently General Management Theory (DOTU).

                Therefore, in the near historical perspective, the realization of your aspirations should not be expected.
                I understand correctly?
  5. -6
    14 June 2021 07: 37
    The strength of Russia is in the truth, which this world does not need.
    During the entire time of the conflict in Ukraine, the Russian media were caught lying only once, this is the notorious "crucified boy". (And in the country 404, these are millions of fakes, from the air conditioner in Lugansk, to the football teams of Russia, which were killed in battles in the Donbass, and even an alleged nuclear strike on the airport in Lugansk, what is it worth?) Ukraine pokes this "crucified boy" wherever possible, relying on the Western media monopoly.
    Therefore, until we have our own ten RT, and international platforms, networks, we will not see success in copying the Western propaganda model that Ukraine has adopted.
    I tried to fight with satire 6 years ago with Ukrainian nonsense in the media, but one in the field is not a warrior, the video seems to be funny:
    1. +1
      14 June 2021 12: 55
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      During the entire time of the conflict in Ukraine, the Russian media were caught lying only once, this is the notorious "crucified boy".

      there is hardly one here. Look in Google - there are whole TOPs of annual fakes ..
      Starting from official and ending with semi-official. (Yatsenyuk is a super thriller, Su 27 is a giant, statements of the Ministry of Defense and ending with all sorts of "Hungry taking bread from pigeons" ...)
      In an information war, truth is the first to die. And then the Russian media launched a struggle on the principle - there are no many fakes. Which is, in principle, standard for an information war if your performers are not very good and the zone of consumption of fakes is not informed.
      Comparing the number of fakes in Ukraine and Russia, it is difficult to identify the winner .. Well, there are a lot of fakes both at the highest level and at the grassroots level.
    2. +1
      14 June 2021 13: 08
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      The strength of Russia is in truth

      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      The Russian media have only once been caught lying, this is the notorious "crucified boy". (And in the country 404, these are millions of fakes

      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Therefore, until we have our own ten RT, and international platforms, networks, we will not see success in copying the Western propaganda model that Ukraine has adopted.


      You declare that the strength of Russia is in Pravda and immediately offer to LIE as well as the Ukrainian media. fool negative
  6. +1
    14 June 2021 10: 58
    Water, the author just poured water.
  7. +1
    14 June 2021 11: 36
    Questions:
    1. Is an information war being waged against Russia and the Russian people?
    2. Is this war being waged with the use of certain information techniques, means and forces available to the opposing side?
    3. Does Russia have an arsenal of such forces, means and techniques?
    4. Should Russia oppose an actual information attack on the state and people by those who carry out this attack?
    5. How should Russia counteract such an attack?
    And in conclusion, we can cite the old folk wisdom: "There is no reception against scrap, if there is no other scrap!" Do many of our media continue to live in the 1990s, if not the 1980s?
  8. +1
    14 June 2021 12: 28
    Speaking about the work of the Russian media, it is worth noting that they are unable to offer a discussion of the most influential political scientists and experts on the main theme of the seven-year anniversary - "Who and why stopped the DPR and LPR after Gorlovka and Ilovaisk to liberate Mariupol, Odessa and all of Novorossia from the fascist-Bender government." The discussion was supposed to be on the main TV channels, daily and publicly, and I am sure that over these seven years the most influential experts and political scientists would come to a realistic conclusion and people would answer the question of who and why stopped the DPR and LPR then. ...
    This is necessary, firstly, if the authorities themselves are unable to explain this, so as not to deceive the residents of Donbass about the future and what they would know - or they have to endure and suffer because the path of Novorossiya to Russia is thorny due to the temporary geopolitical weakness of Russia, or these Republics have simply betrayed In seven years, everything would have been clearly stated and explained to people by experts and political scientists through public daily discussions on live TV, if the authorities cannot explain this to people themselves. And then please, every day there are discussions on the topic of who slept with whom, who stole whose inheritance, who and how many children did not marry, that Poroshenko, Biden, Gordon, Medvedchuk, Tymoshenko or Zelensky were babbling there - and about why and who stopped Little Russia from making their dreams come true, how the Crimea made them come true, no one in the Russian media explains to people about it. And in the Crimea, no one died, and in the Donbass there are already more than ten thousand dead ...
  9. +2
    14 June 2021 12: 33
    Well, this is a usual kakbe situation - "historical" power and "actual" power, a kind of competition between the bureaucratic jugglers and the controlling forces. Traditionally, bureaucrats do not like when something breaks the castles in the air and creates layers that are difficult for the bureaucracy to digest. And the controlling forces always sneeze at this, because the fruits of someone else's bureaucracy for them is just plain paper, with which it is not always possible to even wipe the fifth point.

    Power it never rests on bureaucracy - it always rests on a person with AK. Which, if anything, comes and piles. So an empty paper shake of air ..
  10. 0
    15 June 2021 01: 16
    If the media live according to the laws of the market, they use Goebel's methods, if it is profitable, then what can we talk about?

    As they pay, they will write. They will vote as they count.
    Has anyone punished the media for various fakes, such as cartoons of rockets under the guise of real filming,
    allegedly pispisavshis sailors from the amerovsky destroyer, inconsistent with the text of the headings?

    Not. For it is beneficial. Profitable - they signed up straight. The order ran out - they forgot.
    How about 33 Chopovtsi from Belarus ...