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"Many in Serbia would like the return of the Russian base in Kosovo": response of a Serbian expert to a question from Voennoye Obozreniye

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In the press center of the IA "Public Service News»Today a press conference is being held to discuss the problems of relations between Russia and NATO. Among other topics, the topic of possible further expansion of the North Atlantic military bloc by including Serbia is being discussed.


Among the experts participating in the event entitled “Russia and NATO. From partnership to rivalry ”, - the representative of Serbia Stevan Gajic, researcher at the Institute for European Studies in Belgrade, professor at the Department of Comparative Political Science at MGIMO, Doctor of Political Science.

The information and analytical portal Voennoye Obozreniye addressed Stevan Gayich with a question about the current Serbian course, taking into account the aggression that the Serbian people faced in 1999.

The question was as follows:

Recently, Czech President Milos Zeman was the first and only NATO leader to ask the Serbian people (represented by Serbian President Vucic) for forgiveness for the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. The heads of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, who call themselves fraternal in relation to the Serbs, have not yet apologized. Although these countries provided NATO aggressors with territory and airspace. Do you think the elites of these countries are really not ashamed of what they have done? Does the modern Serbian authorities take this position into account, or are they as multi-vector as the Belarusian authorities?

Stevan Gajic:

Zeman's statement was very important and very necessary. The Serbs accepted him sincerely. But Zeman apologized on his own behalf, since in 1999 he made decisions as the country's prime minister. As for the other countries mentioned, these are all vassals of Brussels, Berlin and Washington. Therefore, I think that no apology should be expected from them.

According to the Serbian expert, the precedent that took place (an apology from Zeman) is very important.

"Many in Serbia would like the return of the Russian base in Kosovo": response of a Serbian expert to a question from Voennoye Obozreniye


Stevan Gajic:

Perhaps it is comparable to the precedent when some countries began to withdraw recognition of Kosovo's independence. I think that both processes are irreversible. We, as a people, just need to go through this period and wait until a government appears in Serbia with less leverage of blackmail from the West, less compromising evidence. Then Serbia will be able to defend itself and its interests more successfully.

According to the expert, Serbia lives in a paradox.

Stevan Gajic:

Serbia has an advantageous geopolitical position. Many countries wish to have contacts with Serbia. These are the USA, Germany, Britain, Russia, China, as well as India, Israel. This can be seen in the investment. There are investments in the opening of large-scale cultural centers - for example, a Chinese one. In this regard, Serbia is becoming not so much a place of conflict as a future point of neutrality on the map. But the basis of Serbian neutrality is that Serbia does not join NATO and that security is supported by Russia and, most likely, China. I do not mean the military bases directly, although many in Serbia would like the return of the Russian base in Kosovo for the Russian contingent to return. And he has a legal right to do so - as part of the KFOR forces.

According to Stevan Gajic, this would guarantee the security of both Serbs and Serbian sovereignty in the provinces of Kosovo and Metohija.

Gajich:

I think that if we, as a society, survive the next year, we will be close to this goal. The main thing here is that Russia itself does not show passivity again. And the main medicine is international law. Russia is already doing a lot. It is necessary to insist on this position to the end, first of all on the observance of the UN resolutions.


Full version of the press conference - link.
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  1. BAI
    BAI 2 June 2021 12: 25
    +6
    many in Serbia would like the return of the Russian base in Kosovo for the Russian contingent to return

    AS? Into hostile territory. Kosovo is de facto not Serbia.
    1. Anachoret
      Anachoret 2 June 2021 12: 30
      -8
      and de jure there are questions, despite the fact that not all of Kosovo is recognized as a state.
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        1. Civil
          Civil 2 June 2021 12: 56
          +3
          Serbia is an EU candidate and is joining the EU. This is where all conversations about military-technical cooperation should be completed.
          1. parma
            parma 2 June 2021 12: 59
            +2
            Quote: Civil
            Serbia is an EU candidate and is joining the EU. This is where all conversations about military-technical cooperation should be completed.

            Come on, the EU, there are many of our good partners, the main thing is that Serbia really wants to join NATO, so there will be no base there ...
      2. knn54
        knn54 2 June 2021 14: 08
        +8
        Serbia's accession to the EU and NATO is automatic recognition:
        - independence of Kosovo
        - "right!" of the alliance in the bombing of Yugoslavia
        - various kinds of sanctions against fraternal Russia.
      3. Anachoret
        Anachoret 2 June 2021 14: 54
        -1
        strange, supporters of Kosovo independence stuck minuses to me))
        Is this a Russian resource for sure? Russia, it seems, does not recognize Kosovo, like many other countries))
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 June 2021 13: 06
    +2
    The whole problem of our relations with Serbia is that the latter has no access to the sea. For our military transport aviation, the Serbian sky around it will be closed for one, two! Those same brothers.
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 2 June 2021 13: 13
      +3
      The same brothers

      And this already happened, if you remember, when the convoy of cars more than 100 Russian and 18 Belarusian ones with humanitarian aid for Serbia in 1990 were not allowed to cross the Bulgarian border for three days. BROTHERS, damn it, for 150 years have been and are three times enemies of the Russian and Soviet states.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 2 June 2021 13: 21
        +1
        It's amazing how Lukashenka flew with humanitarian aid!
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 2 June 2021 13: 29
          0
          Now I would have been shot down, there are no rules of conduct, but Lukashenka did the right thing then. Then practically the entire state reserve was loaded into the transport of the humanitarian convoy and the presidential board.
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 2 June 2021 13: 40
        -2
        .. were and are three times enemies of the Russian and Soviet states.


        Now the access of Russians to Serbia is carried out only through Bulgaria. All others have closed the sky to you.
        All Russian military deliveries - tanks, Pantsiri, Mig29, troops for exercises, etc., pass through Bulgaria.

        Both you and the Serbs are trying to open up new "enemies". Maybe you will have time. Then you will deliver military goods to Serbia by lowering it from the geostationary orbit.
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 2 June 2021 13: 45
          -2
          Don't you think that, if necessary, deliveries to Serbia can be carried out in hermetically sealed volumes and in OZK suits. Didn't they tell you about this in Brussels?
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 2 June 2021 16: 51
            -4
            if necessary, deliveries to Serbia can be carried out in hermetically sealed volumes and in OZK suits.


            Oh, oh, rogue Russian, scare you with a rocket ... laughing

            Your people will first be bombed across Voronezh, and then across London, where their children live.
            So the scarecrow is not the same. laughing

            In general, according to your behavior, you can clearly understand why your neighbors, in most cases, do not like you. Imperial arrogance and bare ass. Thank God that most Russians do not share your outlook on life and international transport. laughing
        2. Wolf
          Wolf 2 June 2021 13: 53
          +1
          And just to make a LARGE PARKING LOT OF BULGARIA? Will it be quick and useful? laughing
          1. pytar
            pytar 2 June 2021 14: 24
            -6
            And just to make a LARGE PARKING LOT OF BULGARIA? Will it be quick and useful?

            Wolf, yours are participating in NATO exercises. Recently, the Serbian military participated in such regional exercises in Bulgaria.
            You personally dreamed of, parking will not be. You better calm your dust and start making friends with your neighbors! Here is your Vukich, trying, bravo to him! good For 10-15 years we have had the best relationship with you, almost in the whole history! You need to make friends, solve problems peacefully, better with a cup of rakiya on the table! drinks
            1. Wolf
              Wolf 2 June 2021 15: 24
              0
              laughing laughing laughing As for NATO, will the Serbs be friends with them on the same basis as with Hitler, as for Vucic and Borisov? but eats there and here the structure of which is better friends on drugs from Turkey. But tell me, listen, that in Bulgaria they came to the conclusion that the King is Marko Bulgarin? laughing laughing laughing He eats a Bulgarian of the surname MRNCHAEVICH - ICh no Boris OV or BORISOV SKI and he and all Mrnachevich had the GLORY OF THE GEORGE OF Sveti, and the Bulgarians famous for their Orthodox GLORIES so ete the tale of friendship and every moment Bulgaria is ready to repeat the KNIFE IN THE BACK LIKE IN THE PM WWII I don't need 99, it's better to be friends with the Turks!
              1. pytar
                pytar 2 June 2021 19: 42
                -1
                But tell me, listen, that in Bulgaria they came to the conclusion that the King is Marko Bulgarin?

                It doesn't matter what Krali Marko was, it is half of the Serbs by the origin of the Bulgarians! Belgrade, Tsar Boris built on the ruins of Singidunum! Alba Bugarica was called. laughing
                the moment Bulgaria is ready to repeat the KNIFE IN THE BACK LIKE IN WWI AND WWII And 99 is not necessary, it is better to be friends with the Turks

                So I say that you are worse than the Turks! They are obvious enemies, strangers! And you "brothers" are just waiting for us to turn our backs on you!
                Let's calm down, huh? You, like us, hide. The white race disappears, and you are composing about Mrnachaevich!
                1. Wolf
                  Wolf 3 June 2021 11: 34
                  0
                  Belgrade (Beli Gorod) NO ALBA LATIN SO AND ONE SERBIAN LAND MAKED A NEW ALBANIAN STATE ALBANU 1912. You are here talking against your people. ALBA IS NOT OUR WORD !!!
                  Since you interpret the chronicler, it can be said that King Milutin held both Asia Minor and Yerusal, because with the army he passed to Yerusalem and a hundred Arapi Slavs! wink You, Rumuni and the Greeks were under the occupation of the Habsburgs in the middle of the 19th century, and apparently the Habsburgs did not waste their time ZOMBIED the people. You ponemash that od Slavs open and voluntarily on the side of the Rothschild State of Germany in WWI and WWII, and 99g NATO were just zombies Prussia, Luzhichki Serbs, and you ??? All the rest of the SLAVES NO !!!
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf 3 June 2021 11: 56
                    0
                    Other than that, what do you think just as a person? IF THE SLAVS WOULD BE CLEANED BY TSAR BORIS (FOR THE DIFFERENCE OD SAMUIL) GAVE THEM THE CITY OF ALBA BULGARICA ??? laughing laughing laughing , even mentally behind a person would have seen deception! BORIS CAN GIVE THEM ONLY WHITE THE CITY, BELGOROD, BELGRADE ITD. NEVER ALBA AND STILL BULGARICA COULD ADD VATICAN AND HABSBURG TO THE TITLE? laughing
                    1. Wolf
                      Wolf 3 June 2021 11: 59
                      0
                      ALBA BULGARICA VATICANO HABSBURG Wouldn't it beat even better than Alba Bulgarica? smile
                    2. pytar
                      pytar 3 June 2021 12: 37
                      -1
                      IF THE SLAVS WOULD BE CLEANED BY TSAR BORIS (FOR THE DIFFERENCE OD SAMUIL) GAVE THEM THE CITY OF ALBA BULGARICA ??? BORIS COULD GIVE THEM ONLY WHITE THE CITY, BELGOROD, BELGRADE ITD. NEVER ALBA AND STILL BULGARICA COULD ADD VATICAN AND HABSBURG TO THE NAME

                      Wolf, are you sure everything is okay with you? belay In the western sources of that time, the city was called Alba Bugarica, then Bish Bulgarian City! And Boris named it Beli grad / Belgrade /. Do you know why? In the early Middle Ages, among the Slavs, the directions of the world were indicated with color! West-White, East-Red. Example - Belarus, White / Western / Russia! During the reign of Boris, Belgrade was the most western Bulgarian city, hence the name Beli grad / City to the West /.
                      1. Wolf
                        Wolf 3 June 2021 16: 38
                        0
                        These Masonic deceptions with flowers no one else is less than me. THE SLAVS GAVE THEM AND ON SLAVIC MITOLOGY AND BELIEVE NO ON THE MASONIC INTERPRETATION! wink
                        In addition, napluvat me as the Vatican called the SLAVIC CITIES, THE REAL NAME OF BELGRADE IS BELGRADE (BEOGRAD), AND AS DAD, VATICAN AND MASONI CALLED OUR CITIES BUT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT !!!
                  2. pytar
                    pytar 3 June 2021 12: 27
                    -1
                    Belgrade (Beli Gorod) NO ALBA LATIN ... How do you interpret the chronicler, you can say that King Milutin held both Asia Minor and Yerusalem, because with the army he passed to Yerusalem and a hundred Arapi Slavs!

                    Wolf, do you even read what you write yourself? fool Can you tell me, what sea have you dug? laughing
                    1. Wolf
                      Wolf 3 June 2021 16: 41
                      0
                      ONE ONE NEW SEAS AND IN THE CENTER OF YERUSALEM AND KING MILUTIN IS FUNERAL IN HIS LANDING TOWN OF SOFIA !!! wink







                      1. Wolf
                        Wolf 3 June 2021 16: 47
                        0
                        And also ONLY FOR MASONS AND HABSBURGS !!! laughing laughing laughing




                      2. Wolf
                        Wolf 3 June 2021 16: 53
                        0
                        And also for Masons and Habsburgs WENDI = SERBI = SERBI (LUZHICHKIE SERBI) AND GERMANY !!! laughing laughing laughing

                        And ZERBI = SERBI = SERBI according to the novogramatic rules of the 19th century C was drunk in Z !!! laughing
                      3. Wolf
                        Wolf 3 June 2021 16: 56
                        0
                        So WHAT WOULD TI AND MASONI KNOW WHY THE SLAVS GAVE THE CITIES TO THE NAME OF WHITE READ AND CAREFULLY ON SLAVIC METHODOLOGY WHITE = LIGHT MEANS THERE THERE ARE NO AND WE DUE TO RELIGIONS WHAT IS MASSANIC !!! ;)
            2. Vesista
              Vesista 6 June 2021 17: 18
              0
              Did you eat bre bugarine, what si se taco raspredeo on Srba? Tee bi opet is not enough and mastered, huh?
      3. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 2 June 2021 16: 42
        0
        And just to make a LARGE PARKING LOT OF BULGARIA?


        And you, with a similar policy, turned from Yugoslavia into a country the size of a hypermarket parking lot, so keep up the good work ... laughing
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 2 June 2021 16: 51
          0
          Kaiser Habsburg know the tale of Lev and the Hyenas? smile
    2. pytar
      pytar 2 June 2021 14: 20
      -5
      Now the access of Russians to Serbia is carried out only through Bulgaria. All others have closed the sky to you. All Russian military deliveries - tanks, Pantsiri, Mig29, troops for exercises, etc., pass through Bulgaria.

      Bulgaria allowed a Russian plane with an S-400 complex to enter Serbia.
      https://rus.bg/obschestvo/obschestvo/28526-bolgariya-propustila-rossijskij-samolet-s-kompleksom-s-400-v-serbiyu

      Maybe you will have time. Then you will deliver military goods to Serbia by lowering it from the geostationary orbit.

      So far, only Elon Musk is developing such a space system. bully
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 June 2021 15: 30
      +2
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Both you and the Serbs are trying to open up new "enemies".

      The enemy is the one who bombed Belgrade and gave his territory to the aggressor.
    4. Oleg Aviator
      Oleg Aviator 2 June 2021 19: 31
      0
      The fact is that with such reasoning, the last argument of the kings can be launched, and then Bulgaria can descend much below its orbit. Any. And the fact that your government impersonates is a fact. However, as in the 40th year with Hitler and Mussolini, he looked into the point and provided his territory for deployment. So what are you allies) Guaranteed setup. As the owner says so and do it. Turks know how to communicate with you.
  3. pytar
    pytar 2 June 2021 13: 55
    -7
    And this already happened, if you remember, when the convoy of cars more than 100 Russian and 18 Belarusian ones with humanitarian aid for Serbia in 1990 were not allowed to cross the Bulgarian border for three days.

    I don’t know which case we are talking about, but handling / checking 118 trucks at the border is rarely faster. By the way, read my comment on the branch, which indicates what legal statute Bulgaria complied with during the Yugoslav conflicts. hi

    BROTHERS, damn it, for 150 years have been and are enemies of the Russian and Soviet states.

    All conflicts between Bulgaria and Russia, due to the occupation of the latter, are on the side of Serbia. Moreover, the population of both conflicting countries is mostly Russophile. Link for the curious:
    https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami
    Something like the relationship with the USSR, Bulgaria was half a century of its loyal ally. This is in the time when the SFRY was essentially an unofficial NATO ally:
    https://topwar.ru/103593-tito-i-nato.html
  • Alexga
    Alexga 2 June 2021 13: 06
    0
    Does the modern Serbian authorities take this position into account, or are they as multi-vector as the Belarusian authorities?

    Someone can articulate what is meant by the multi-vector nature of the Belarusian authorities. Facts into the studio, please.
  • pytar
    pytar 2 June 2021 13: 09
    -4
    The question asked by the VO contains incorrect hardening!
    Recently, Czech President Milos Zeman was the first and only NATO leader to ask the Serbian people (represented by Serbian President Vucic) for forgiveness for the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

    Czech Republic is a parliamentary republic! President Zeman has a purely representative function. On this occasion, he expressed a personal position, which is evident from the ego statement: "As a person I would like to ask forgiveness from the Serbian people forgive me."
    No Czech government has issued an official apology on behalf of the Czech Republic.

    The heads of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, who call themselves fraternal in relation to the Serbs, have not yet apologized.

    It is not clear why the author thinks that the head (presidents? Prizewinners ?!) of these countries should apologize, given that the then Serbian authorities had a lot of crimes against the Albanian population, which were recognized by the UN. And why did the author "forget" Greece, a country that is a historical ally of Serbia?

    Although these countries provided NATO aggressors with territory and airspace

    Specifically, Bulgaria, in view of the centuries-old historically burdened relations with Serbia, observed neutrality. The territory was not provided to anyone from the participants in the conflict. And to get permission to fly into the airspace, it was possible only in the direction of OT Serbia, that is, at the end! In the event of an accident / the plane is uncontrollable /, that is, when it is physically impossible to go in another direction. At the same time, a rather complicated procedure for sending a request was thought out, which actually excluded the practical application of this dispute in view of the transience of events. During the war, not a single such request came from NATO.
    According to the neutrality occupied by Bulgaria, flying in the direction (attacking NATO missions) towards Yugoslavia was NOT allowed through the Bulgarian airspace!
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 2 June 2021 13: 16
      +6
      the then Serbian authorities had a lot of crimes against the Albanian population

      Boyan, and the Tachi gangs are "white and fluffy"? Did they commit crimes based on ethnic and religious intolerance? And in Croatia, in Bosnia, there were no crimes against the Serbian minority?
      1. pytar
        pytar 2 June 2021 14: 07
        -7
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Boyan, and the Tachi gangs are "white and fluffy"? Did they commit crimes based on ethnic and religious intolerance? And in Croatia, in Bosnia, there were no crimes against the Serbian minority?

        Dear Alexey hi , crimes were committed by all participants in the intra-Yugoslav conflict! No there are white and fluffy. But the Serbian prevailed over all, because in the 1st war, ALL hostilities were conducted on the territories of other republics. In the 2nd War of the South, massacres took place between Serbs and Albanians in Kossovo. In both cases, they would have been cut for a long time if NATO had not intervened. I'm not saying who is right there or not, I'm talking about the result.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 2 June 2021 14: 31
          +3
          unless NATO intervened

          Great, and who benefits from NATO intervention? Which side was NATO on?
          1. pytar
            pytar 2 June 2021 14: 39
            -4
            Great, and who benefits from NATO intervention? Which side was NATO on?

            Alexey, you understand that NATO pursued its interests! Yes? But as a result, the conflict ended, mutual consumption was established. Otherwise, these would still be cut! The mutual hatred was so strong! sad I am not saying who is right and who is wrong. If you listen to the Serbs, there was never any more to the right! And if you listen to their opponents, the situation is diametrically opposite!
            1. Wolf
              Wolf 2 June 2021 15: 06
              +4
              Well, well, how objective are you, NO SHARING WOULD HAVE IF NATO HAD NOT PREPARED WAR AND TERRORISTS, SERBIA WAS AT KOSOVA AGAINST NATO TERORISTS IN THE FORM OF "UCHKA" JACOBI KOSOVSKY ALBANES AND NATO !!! LIKE LIKE IN SYRIA NOW! THAT IS A WAR GOING IN SYRIA UNTIL THANKS NATO WILL WARNING CRIMINALS AND SCAMMERS AND THEIR TERORISTS IN DIFFERENT FORMS NO WINE OF ASSAD AND SYRITS
              1. pytar
                pytar 2 June 2021 15: 24
                +1
                NO CUTTING WOULD HAPPEN IF

                Yes? This has never happened, and here it is again! belay I love the Serbs ... you are interesting people. smile Wolf, I have many friends in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia! drinks How I listen to them separately, everyone is accusing someone else! They are not current! lol
              2. pytar
                pytar 4 June 2021 13: 57
                -1
                The war in Syria is going on because 10% of the Alawites rule over 90% of the Sunnis. Everything else details ...
                1. Wolf
                  Wolf 4 June 2021 14: 07
                  +1
                  Is that what Habsburg and Fanarioti told you so, or did you come to a conclusion yourself? Don't make people laugh here. Ty was in Syria earlier than NATO, a zochinachin NATO war of terrorists in different FORMS? It’s strange that they didn’t connect the terrorist in the Sufi Forms so they would rivet a complete picture of the dissenting "Muslims" in fact TERORISTS and zombie the people.
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf 4 June 2021 14: 20
                    +1
                    If you look at the war from Afghanistan, through Iraq, Iran to Syria Libya, you will probably forget that ALL OLD HISTORICAL MONUMENTS THEY ALMOST DESTROYED !!!
                    In fact, there is also a PREFORMATION OF HISTORY, WILL BE WRITING A NEW HISTORY, SO IT COULD HAPPEN THAT NO BULGARIA HAS EVER BEEN, AND THERE WERE HAVE HABSBURGS AND THE PEOPLE IN BULGARIA IN REALITY. laughing
                    1. Wolf
                      Wolf 4 June 2021 14: 38
                      +1
                      You don't need to worry, the owners of the ochim loubet, you just have to learn how to write LATIN LETTERS and teach the German language and you will be 100% German Habsburg, the same as Rumune was dumped in vulgar Latin and planted a monument to the She-Wolf (without Romulus and Remus) in Bucharest! Maybe the life will add Radua wolves ??? laughing laughing laughing
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 5 June 2021 20: 54
                        -1
                        You don’t need to worry, you are the owners of the loubet, you just have to learn how to write LATIN LETTERS

                        Wolf, you don't need to worry about us. laughing From the alphabet that we created, we will never give up! Until 2006, you officially wrote simultaneously in Latin / mainly / and Cyrillic / slightly /! lol By the way, you call your imitation of the Cyrillic alphabet "vukovitsa" / Vuk Karadzic, XIX century /, because you are so good at verbalizing the original. wink

                        The Slavic alphabet is used by the Serbian government (official documents are printed on it). If you go for a walk in any Serbian city, you will see that the names of shops, bars, pharmacies and everything else, except for state institutions, are overwhelmingly written in Latin. Daily newspapers are published mainly in Cyrillic, magazines - mainly in Latin. Books are printed both in Cyrillic and Latin. And if we talk about people, then everything is even more interesting. Everyone uses Latin for text messages, emails, and social media communications because they feel comfortable. They use the Slavic alphabet only for their signature. But you don't have to stage it very often in our time, right? In fact, if one Serb sends a message in Cyrillic to another Serb, most likely, he will almost certainly be asked: "Why Cyrillic, are you some kind of nationalist?" And they will stay away from this if the answer does not suit. Most (probably 90%) of young people write in Latin. The minority uses the Cyrillic alphabet for one of the following two reasons: to demonstrate their patriotic, nationalist, anti-Western or pro-Russian sentiments, or to demonstrate apolitical nonconformism.
                        Serbs who write in Cyrillic on the Internet mainly comment on patriotic videos, and only about 10% of them use it for everyday communication. In fact, if the Slavic alphabet did not have an official status, the support of the government and noisy nationalists, the Serbs would abandon it without any coercion for 10-15 years.
                      2. Wolf
                        Wolf 6 June 2021 08: 43
                        0
                        Pitar as far as the letter is concerned, the oldest is about 7.500 years old and it is from VINCE SERBIA ON THE DANUBE

                        But in 2021 Serbs came to the CHABLE to shoot with the Americans and native Bulgars.
                        We sent 3 Miga 29 and TANUSHA (NEVA S125) and grandfather Cube!
                        Migi originals NO MODERNIZER, only lubricated the engine and nodes. TANUSHA is also original NO MODERNIZED FROM 1999. Grandfather Cube is also 50 years old.
                        If the question is in American owls why just older version, I will answer.
                        SERBI WAS SCARED BY TANUSHA HAS A SLOPE AND LOVES THE INVISIBLE, AND MODERNIZERANI MiG 29 also show lubs to the Martian planes, for grandfather Cuba, we are not free to him, he will just miss him.
                        And that by chance Gavrilo Principle strelna with Tanyusha (modernized) and Sbiet God forbid B2 or Gavrilo with upgraded Mig 29 Strelna and accidentally knock down F35 AND WHAT THEN ??? With a new one would they write in the Bulgarian and European Presi that SERB GAVRILO KILLED THE INNOCENT B2 AND F35 IN THE TRUTH OF GOD IN THE MIDDLE OF BULGARIA? AND WHAT GAVRIL'S CARRY OUT FOR WORLD WAR 3 According to this, Serbi came with the older versions, and they told Gavril they were shooting carefully and more with grandfather Cub, TANUSHA DO NOT TOUCH AND DO NOT SHOOT WITH HER, And just in case of need and to the pestilence !! ! laughing
                        But then you will tell me how the Serbs fired there, can they?
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 6 June 2021 11: 04
                        -1
                        Pitar as far as the letter is concerned, the oldest is about 7.500 years old and it is from VINCE SERBIA ON THE DANUBE

                        T.N. Neolithic culture "Vinche" presumably occupies the territory of present-day Serbia, Kossovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Serbs as a people. From the word at all. Also, symbols / signs have nothing in common with the Cyrillic alphabet.
                        And then I will not comment on what I write, I am not a doctor, I do not have such competence.
                      4. Wolf
                        Wolf 6 June 2021 14: 26
                        0
                        Nothing with the Serbs have EXCEPT a GENETIC MARKER WHICH IS THE SAME !!!
                        In addition, the Vinchan letter is the basis of ALL LETTERS OF THE WHITE MAN TO PA AND KYRILITSA !!!
                        As for the spread of OVER CIVILIZATION VINCE, yes, it was on the territory of the whole Central HUM (Balkan)
                      5. Wolf
                        Wolf 6 June 2021 14: 37
                        0
                        And famous "RUNE" comes from Vinche !!!
                      6. Wolf
                        Wolf 6 June 2021 14: 41
                        0
                        7.500 years ago, the Lower Danube was the same as Tigar and Euphrates for Mesopotamia or make the Nile for Egypt, only 2.000-2.500 years older than them, this is about the same as one of the courts before old Rome
                      7. pytar
                        pytar 6 June 2021 17: 27
                        -1
                        7.500 years ago, the Lower Danube was the same as Tigar and Euphrates for Mesopotamia or make the Nile for Egypt

                        Indeed, only the Serbs have nothing to do with him. You were not even at the commemoration then. Neither you nor your distant ancestors, who came to the Balkans in the 7th century, existed.
                      8. Wolf
                        Wolf 6 June 2021 17: 46
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                        E now you will tell 1 little secret, NO resettlement of the Slavs IN THE 6-7 CENTURY WAS NOT IN THE FORM OF AS THEY SAY THAT, THESE PEOPLE WERE IN HUM!
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    1. pytar
      pytar 2 June 2021 15: 26
      -1
      Quote: Wolf
      AND THERE ARE NO INTEROSTS TO JUSTIFY EVIL AGAINST ONE PEOPLE

      You, as a Serb, of course mean only the Serbian people! Against other peoples, if the Serbs do evil things, you can, right?
      Listen, isn't it time to get wise? Stop engaging in malignant behavior, accusations, reproaches! Find strength and go to mutual reconciliation? Start building your country in peace, friendship, together with your neighbors! Believe me, only together in good neighborliness, all of us who live in the Balkans can prosper and develop! hi
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 2 June 2021 15: 43
        +2
        Believe me, only together in good neighborliness, all of us who live in the Balkans can prosper and develop!
          I agree Serbs believed and even wanted to forgive CUTTING IN WWI, and out of gratitude they received the Second World War and then they wanted and believed and got 99.
        What do you think ? ALREADY ENOUGH TO BE FRIENDS WITH SUCH NEIGHBORS ???
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 2 June 2021 15: 48
          +1
          AND PASSIONATE FIND THE FACTS OF THE SERBIAN VILLAINS OD PMV, WWII, 91-99 POINTS OF DATE AND WHO IS THE VICTIM, AND I WILL LEAVE THE FACTS FOR THE BULGARIANS, IT IS POSSIBLE ??? When you are already talking about Serbian vernaculars, Pitar actually use SOFISMIMA and this is a way of deception, you make a show of objectivity and truth, and behind your back is a BIG KNIFE !!! wink
        2. pytar
          pytar 2 June 2021 19: 06
          0
          Your state ideologist Garashanin, creates a Great Serb doctrine of Serb domination in the Balkans, in the middle of the 19th century! We were still under Turkish slavery, and you were already thinking how to cope with us, so as not to interfere with your plans of conquest! In 1885, just 7 years after Bulgaria was liberated after the 5th century of slavery, you !! not the Turks, but it was you who attacked us meanly, insidiously in the back, while our young army stood on the southern border awaiting the Turkish invasion! You wanted to destroy Bulgaria before it was fortified, while it was still weak! But you were wrong ... you received such a rebuff that until 1913 they did not dare to shawn! In 1913, in violation of the union treaty, you occupied Macedonia, behind our back, meanly, insidiously, while we screwed up Chatalca 40 km from Istanbul! In WWI, we kicked you out of there, but you paid for it a second time later! Do you know why you are worse than the Turks? For the Turks, we were paradise, powerless infidels, slaves, but they did not forbid us to conduct our Orthodox rituals in Bulgarian and to have our own Bulgarian schools / colleges! They are churches with spirituality, they were the repositories of our national identity in the long dark ages of slavery! And you did it! You tried to kill our Spirit, our self-awareness! You killed our priests, our teachers you considered the worst enemies! In WWII, we drove you out of Macedonia, but then you came again! Not called, evil, occupants! All the same, just changed the flag! And you did what the Turks did not manage to do in 500 years! You turned the Macedonian Bulgarians into non-Bulgarians, fierce Macedonists, Janissaries! For Russians reading my post, I will say that it was like with Ukrainization in Ukraine and affected a third of the Bulgarian nation! In the USSR, Russians were turned into Ukrainians, and in the SFRU, Bulgarians into Macedonians! I myself come from Bitol! So listen Wolf, you are still holding the Western Bulgarian Outskirts under occupation, with the Bulgarian population there!
          Your greed is endless, you have done so much evil in the Balkans that in what sense the loss of Kosovo is a karmic punishment, punishment for you!
          Taking someone else's, you were punished - you lost yours! If you don’t understand, there will be more punishments, you will be left with Shumadia alone, you will gather everything under one tree, as one of your seers said!
          With all that, we do not hold any grudge against you! Come to Bulgaria, you will hear Serbian music everywhere, we will bake the Serbian skara for every kilometer! No one will say a single bad word to you! Recently your Vukich turned to the Bulgarians calling us brothers! We are really the closest Slavic peoples in faith, language and culture! Stretch your hand for friendship - We beg you! Good luck! fellow Pull the knife out of your bosom, from the knife and die! angry
          In short, Wolf, the choice is yours ... hi
          1. Wolf
            Wolf 2 June 2021 21: 47
            0
            Pitar are serving you a part of history, a piece of the story, so that you don't understand what really happened !!! Strange, what is it still in Bulgaria? It means that there are some structures in Bulgaria that are still ANTISLOVENSKY !!! The 19th century was themselves interesting as for the Slavs, there is no sense in the Balkans, but from Prussia to Russia. It means that the portal on what the King of Milan attacked Boglgarov 1885. one should know all about the history of Ukraine earlier. Listen and carefully what was the end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century in the Balkans !!! It means that by the end of the 18th century and beginning 19 FRANCE SEND ABOUT 10.000 CATHOLIC LITTERS TO MAKE THE LATIN LETTER AND THE NOVORUMUNIAN LANGUAGE IN RUMANIA, BEFORE THIS TIME THEY WRITTEN BY KIRILIZOV IN AN OLD WAY !!!
            IT WAS BEFORE THE 1 SERBIAN UPRISING OF 1804. When Serbi RISE IN THE PRIMARY BALKANS AGAINST THE TURKISH OCCUPATION OF FRENCH, SEND HELP IN THE FORM OF ARTISTIC WITH SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS TO TURKISH THAT WOULD CRASH THE UPRISING !!! IT WAS BEFORE 1808. ALREADY THEN THE OFFENSIVE OF NAPOLEON ON RUSSIA WAS PLANNED AND ON THIS IN THE FIRST LOOK BETWEEN THE WEDGE BETWEEN THE EAST AND SOUTHERN SLAVS IN RUMUNIA !!! BEFORE THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE SLAVS WERE ON THE DIRECT COPN OF CONNECTION !!! LIKE THE OPERATION WAS CREATED WITH LUZHICHKA SERBIANS AND PRUSS THROUGH BAVARIA !!! FRANKS OF THE RIGHT HAVE HIT THE WEDGE THROUGH THE BAVARIA. THEN YOURSELF KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NAPOLEONS AND THE EU ARMY IN RUSSIA, RUSSIA 1814 ESTABLISHED IN PARIS FAMOUS CAFE "FAST"
            Then, in 1814, the 2nd Serb uprising against the Turkish occupation began, but the Turks immediately began a war against Russia. The Serbs were the first to revolt because there were the very numbers of the people on the Balkans, they eat and they are strong !!! 2 THE UPRISING SUCCESSFUL AND THE SERBI CREATED SUPPORT ON A SMALL PART OF THEIR TERITORY. IT WAS a red light for the Habsburgs and Catholic Europe, ITALIYANTSI in place with LONDON then Turku mid-19th century ATTACK RUSIU - Krimsky WAR (about 7.000 Bulgars fought on the side RUSIE), THEN PRINOSET DECISION The final decision Slavs and UNICHTODAYUT Prus and LUZHICHKU Serbia - CREATE GERMANY AND CLEAN THE SLAVIC LANGUAGE !!! FOR BULGARIANS, RUMUNRVS AND GREKS HABSBURGES PREPARE AS A KING AND WRITE THEM A HISTORY WHICH DOES NOT HAVE SWEZI WITH TRUTH !!! IN ADDITION TO THIS GREAT PIECES OF THE SERBIAN PEOPLE CUT AND PREPARE FROM THE GREKS, BULGARS, RUMUNS, HUNGARS.
            OBRENOVICH SEGLA BELIEVED THAT GABSBURSHKA POWERED BULGARIA AND ROMANIA CUT OFF PARTS OF THE SERBRIAN PEOPLE AND THE TERRITORY OF ONE MATICI AND ONE ONE WILL CREATE NEW NATIONS.
            STUPID HE ATTACKED THE HABSBURGS OF 1885 IN BULGARIA AND A BAD MOMENT BUT HE WASN'T EQUIPPED BY THE STATE AND A DEVELOPED INTELLIGENCE AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO COPE WITH SUCH A COMPLEX ATTACK ON THE SERBIAN PEOPLE.
            IT MEANS NO ELIIA GARASHANIN BREAKING OUT AND THE OCCUPATION OF THE HABSBURGS !!! WHAT ABOUT MACEDONIA SEE THE TURKISH POPULATION RECORDS ONE SALUNA TO BELGRADE, THERE WERE NO BULGARIANS IN MACEDONIA AND NEVER!
            THEN EVEN IN THE 20TH CENTURY ALSO THE MOST ATTACK TACTICS WERE APPLIED IN RUSSIA IN UKRAINE AND ORDERED GABSBURG THAT THE KING WAS THERE, BUT THERE WAS A FRIEND OF STALIN THEN AND JUST IMPORTED HABSBURG INTO PRISON OF ITD ...
            MEANS IF YOU DO NOT WATCH THE HISTORY DURING YOU DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING, AND "THEY" NAME AND SERVE THE HISTORY THAT WOULD LOVE THE PEOPLE DECEIVE !!!
            1. pytar
              pytar 2 June 2021 22: 11
              -2
              Pitar are serving you a part of history, a piece of the story, so that you don't understand what really happened !!!

              Wolf, if you are an adult person, it's time for you to understand that everyone has their own story. laughing Therefore, it makes no sense to resolve this topic. It is better to do useful things. yes
            2. Wolf
              Wolf 3 June 2021 11: 42
              -1
              "OWN" HISTORY DOES NOT EXIST - CHRONICLES. HISTORY IS OBJECTIVE CATEGORY AND IT CAN BE TRUTH AND A LODGE, AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT LOSE SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS ABOUT THIS AND FALSE HISTORY AND STRONGLY! wink
            3. Wolf
              Wolf 3 June 2021 11: 47
              -1
              Chronicle and Yazik TWO MOST IMPORTANT SPIRITUAL COMPONENT OF 1 PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM THERE ARE NO THREAD OF PEOPLE !!!
            4. pytar
              pytar 3 June 2021 12: 54
              -1
              Chronicle and Yazik TWO MOST IMPORTANT SPIRITUAL COMPONENT OF 1 PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM THERE ARE NO THREAD OF PEOPLE !!!

              And here you are right! That is why your Titovists, the first thing when they occupied Macedonia was to frantically distort the history and language of the local Bulgarians in order to make them, if not "rule Serbs", then at least not Bulgarians - Macedonists. I have half of my relatives from Bitol, and they have lived there from time immemorial. For 70 years, under the Serbian, and then yugocupsation, they were so brainwashed that listen to what kind of cureosis turns out, I'll tell you! yes
              I'm going to Bitolya to stay with my relatives. We sit with our cousin, drink brandy and discuss:
              I-Listen, we're kindred relatives, right?
              He is, of course, our grandfathers are siblings.
              I-What are you?
              He-I am a Macedonian!
              I-This is not a Bulgarian type?
              He-Yes, of course! We come from Alexander the Great, and Bulgarians are Tatars.
              I-So explain to me then, how is it possible? I am Bulgarian, you are Macedonian, and our great-grandfather and great-grandmother are Bulgarians! / brother does not deny it /
              After a pause, he didn’t know that they were not Bulgarians! Nobody told them, so they didn't know!
              I - Who told you that?
              On-Nuuu ... here in Yugoslavia they explained to us, created the SFRM ... Who did not want to "return to the origins," UDBA put them in the Goli Otok camps, others emigrated, the most stubborn disappeared somewhere ...

              These are the things, Wolf! Good health to you too! You will still drink a lot of bitter cup because of all that you have done!
          2. pytar
            pytar 3 June 2021 12: 39
            -1
            "OWN" HISTORY DOES NOT EXIST - CHRONICLES.

            There is, the Wolf, there is ... Here you are demonstrating "your" story, which, by the way, is very far from reality. bully
          3. volodimer
            volodimer 3 June 2021 14: 22
            0
            Yeah, the second Balkan war continues ... We have already seen something similar here during the recent Armenian-Azerbaijani showdown.
            Boyan, I don't know if you yourself noticed, but every time you and your opponents still appeal to Russia in the hope that it will solve the problem. Experience shows that in any case, someone will be dissatisfied with us.
            For 70 years, the USSR was only able to extinguish the conflict between Armenians and Azerbaijanis and only as part of a single state. The Union was gone and everything flared up there again.
            Bulgaria and Serbia, neither the Republic of Ingushetia nor the USSR, could not reconcile that way, and their problems were over the top. Although, when you had a get-together, you had to come and, as a "big brother" (forgive this stereotyped expression), take and slap both on the head. All the same, we would be to blame, but at least in 100 years we would not have to see these squabbles.
            And now you have a new "elder brother" -NATO, which is on your side, and the Serbs slapped the very same cuffs, I hope that this time Bulgaria, having contacted the opponents of Russia, will not regret it.
            Yours!
          4. pytar
            pytar 3 June 2021 17: 53
            -1
            Yeah, 2 The Balkan War continues ... We have already seen something similar here during the recent Armenian-Azerbaijani showdown.

            We have nothing similar to the Armenian-Azerbaijani showdown. All these virtual battles take place on the Internet. In real life, there is nothing like that. We get along quite well. Intensive transport and tourist exchange goes both ways. Gas bridges are being built on the border. I am sure that if I met my opponent Wolf, we would talk like normal people and drink a glass of Balkan rakiya with toast "Health!" drinks

            Boyan, I don't know if you yourself noticed, but every time you and your opponents still appeal to Russia in the hope that it will solve the problem.

            And you think why? Serbia-Bulgaria, two Slavic, Orthodox countries with centuries-old cultural and historical ties with Russia. The population of both countries is leading in sympathy for Russia and Russians. It was Russia that has always had a huge influence in the Balkans!

            Experience shows that in any case, someone will be dissatisfied with us.

            The experience is unsuccessful because Russia's approach to ego decisions is rooted in error! What is the problem with Russian policy in the Balkans? Divide and rule! There is a conflict and Russia takes the side of one of the disputants, depending on where it is more profitable for it! Without regard to the actual situation, for example, what kind of people live in the disputed areas, or what is written in the agreements in which SHE is the guarantor! Accordingly, gains influence in that direction, but loses influence in the other! This is a classic policy of all Great Powers, but it is erroneous when it comes to peoples close to you. As a result, Russia, which has so much in common with Bulgaria and Serbia, is absent from the Balkans. For illustration, I will again give my favorite link, everything is written there in the most oblique way:
            https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami

            I am not a politician, I will tell you how humanly I see the correct solution to such disputes! It should not come from interests, they are temporary, they change in the long term! It must come from Justice! It sounds naive, but it only works! Because Wisdom is above! A wise, just decision has an effect for hundreds of years to come! After all, if you are the eldest, and your younger brothers scandal among themselves, will you do so?

            And now you have a new "elder brother" -NATO, which is on your side, and the Serbs slapped the very same cuffs, I hope that this time Bulgaria, having contacted the opponents of Russia, will not regret it.

            I am not a NATO proponent, once I went to anti-NATO rallies. In fact, not NATO, but the EU has a working model for solving territorial problems. Borders become formal, freedom of movement, capital, labor, business, respect for the rights of national minorities. But wars and conflicts occur mainly from abroad! We remove them and there is no subject for controversy! Bloody wars have been fought between the countries of Western Europe for centuries! And it is impossible for the Shas to imagine that the German is French, Italians, etc. will begin to fight again among themselves! We already have it with Greece and Romania - EU members! Serbia will also enter, it will be the same! Unfortunately, Russia does not have a competitive model for the Balkans; now it cannot compete with the EU either economically or politically. But where there are conflicts, confrontations, maybe! Take a side! Aggravation opens the door! From that you have crazy propaganda like "enemies, NATO, traitors, will attack, surround, Bulgarians are bad, but all are bad, only Serbs are good" etc.!

            I beg your pardon for the length of the post, but honestly it boiled over!
            Yours! hi
          5. volodimer
            volodimer 3 June 2021 18: 48
            0
            Boyan, I live in the Primorsky Territory, here we have many nationalities mixed from all over the former Soviet Union. And we have not had conflicts here between representatives of the nations in conflict in the European part of the continent.
            I agree that normal people solve their problems at the table with a glass in hand, not shooting.
            For a long time Russia did not have any intelligible policy in the Balkans, it is difficult to disagree with you here. But what could Russia, falling apart into rags, offer, besides stories about former friendship.
            But you yourself gave up on the gas pipeline. Now we will trade through the Turks. sad
            No matter how much Ukraine shouts that Russia is an aggressor, it does not want to refuse gas transit. For money. You could also "sit on a pipe" and get money for transit and a discount on your own consumption.
            And also give me back my childhood: your juices, fruits, vegetables laughing best memories.
            But wars and conflicts occur mainly from abroad! We remove them and there is no subject for controversy!

            The EU has a working model for solving territorial problems.

            And here is both "yes" and "no". As I wrote about the experience of the Union, this approach does not remove the issue, but only blunts the problem for a while. The absence of real borders between Armenia and Azerbaijan, between Georgia and Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Chechnya and Ingushetia within the USSR worked only as long as there was a common state that did not allow them to kill each other. And it might even seem that the friendship of the peoples won.
            In this respect, the EU is the same USSR. As long as he is able to prevent the contradictions between countries from getting out, everything will look good, but as soon as the control is weakened, everything will return again. And neither will help here "freedom of movement, capital, labor, business, observance of the rights of national minorities" .
            And what about
            Divide and rule! There is a conflict and Russia takes the side of one of the disputants, depending on where it is more profitable for it!
            this is just about the fact that no matter how Russia acts, it will still be to blame for one of the parties. Even if it did not pursue any benefit. But this is such a question that we can add text for another ten pages.
            I also did not succeed briefly repeat
            It's always nice to talk to. drinks
          6. pytar
            pytar 4 June 2021 13: 45
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            in the Primorsky Territory, here we have many nationalities mixed from all over the former Soviet Union. And we have not had conflicts here between representatives of the nations in conflict in the European part of the continent.

            There is a fundamental difference. Russia / USSR were built as multinational states. And most of the countries in Europe are mono-national.
            For a long time Russia did not have any intelligible policy in the Balkans, it is difficult to disagree with you here. But what could Russia, falling apart into rags, offer, besides stories about former friendship.

            A fundamentally new model! Rule of Justice taking into account all historical, demographic and legal factors over one minute of interest.
            Russia is unlikely to be able to surpass the West in technology or in the standard of living, but it may well compete in the spiritual realm. I will call this concept - the State of the Spirit! Just justice is lacking in this world, especially in the Balkans! Doing things like the West is doing is a failure ... No.
            Of course, this is hardly possible given the current state of the Russian Federation and the path it is following now.
            But you yourself gave up on the gas pipeline. Now we will trade through the Turks.

            Sorry, but that's not true! The Russian Federation, or rather the GDP, refused, and I think he made a strategic mistake ... Turkey is an extremely unreliable partner, she is a geostrategic competitor of Russia. I understand why VVP chose such a strategy, but it will not do any of us good.
            In this respect, the EU is the same USSR. As long as he is able to prevent the contradictions between countries from getting out, everything will look good, but as soon as the control is weakened, everything will return again.

            I assume you are right. But so far, nothing better is on the horizon.
            ... this is just about the fact that no matter how Russia acts, it will still be to blame for one of the parties. Even if it did not pursue any benefit.

            And who is happy with Shas? No one! I will allow myself to go into the field of alternative history, for illustration. The Uzlovs, the turning point is the First Balkan War - 1913! Let's say in 1913 Russia insisted and forced Serbia to transfer Bulgaria to Macedonia, as provided for in the union treaty. Serbia would be offended, but would not have left in the Austro-Hungarian-German sphere of influence, since the Serbs perfectly understood that for the countries of the Triple Alliance, Serbia is a territory for annexation. The conflict between Bulgaria and Serbia would be over. Bulgaria, having solved its national problem, would become a strong rear for Serbia and a powerful outpost for Russia in the Balkans! In fact, the plan of the Republic of Ingushetia to create San Stefan Bulgaria within the boundaries of the centuries-old residence of the Bulgarian ethnic group would have been implemented! In the center of the Balkan Peninsula, just 40 km. from the straits and from the sorties to the Aegean Sea! Here are the naval bases in Varna, Burgas, Kavala, Aleksadropulis and a direct land transport link between them!
            Serbia, having insoluble contradictions with Austria-Hungary, would turn its gaze on extensions to kindred Serbs, Bosnians, Croats and Slovenes. Many Serbs also lived in this part. Natural, right direction!
            Probably, as a result, the PMA would have been completely different! For mixing during WWI, Bulgaria fielded almost 900 thousand soldiers on the fronts! I suppose that Russia would be guaranteed to take Constantinople and the straits, Serbia would have received a less conflicting territorial expansion. Perhaps the revolution would not have occurred, Russia would have survived and expanded its influence.
            A similar approach would result in Greece and Romania.
            How many stupid things they did all can be seen from the results now. Serbia has lost everything, even its Kosovo! Bulgaria has lost no less. These two Slavic, Orthodox states found themselves on the sidelines of history! Russia has experienced cataclysms of a huge scale. She is the only member of the Entente, she found herself in the ranks of the defeated along with the countries of the Triple Alliance. In general, Emperor Nicholas III, I think the most unfortunate of all the emperors! It was during the ego rule that all these mistakes were made, and the Empire died.
            This is of course only hypothetical, but ...
            It's always nice to talk to.

            Mutually Volodymyr! drinks With intelligent people, I am always pleasant to communicate! hi
  • pytar
    pytar 2 June 2021 14: 32
    -4
    By the way, Zeman, during his visit to Moscow, expressed insult to Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev against Leonid Maslovsky's article "Czechoslovakia should be grateful to the USSR for 1968: the history of the Prague Spring."
    https://topwar.ru/130999-obidchivye-chehi-i-realnost.html
    So Zeman also has different opinions, depending on who is affected how ... bully
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 2 June 2021 14: 39
      +3
      article by Leonid Maslovsky

      This is the position of not an official person endowed with state powers. Here Zhirik sometimes pushes it aside, but everyone understands and smiles quietly, he is a deputy, even if he is the leader of a faction and a party. But he does not have federal powers. And here ... an article. Zeman is the President of the country, albeit with nominal functions, but the Head of State. Official domineering person.
      1. pytar
        pytar 2 June 2021 15: 02
        0
        In general, you're right. Though Zeman apologized on his own behalf. This is his right, he thinks so. His opinion is clearly not shared by the government and parliament of the Czech Republic. And yet, it is not clear to me where the VOs believe that "the heads of Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria should" also apologize ?! Can the first Serbian, Montenegrins, Croats, Bosnians, Slovenes, Albanians ask each other for forgiveness? By the way, in 2003 Montenegrin Svetozar Markovic, the president of the still existing Yugoslavia, apologized to the Bosnians. Serbia has not yet apologized, although it recognizes some of the crimes committed by the Serbs. request
        About Zhirinovsky, yes ... you're right. lol
  • Wolf
    Wolf 2 June 2021 13: 17
    0
    What are you lagoon and licimer Pitar !!!
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 2 June 2021 13: 22
      +6
      that the then Serbian authorities had a lot of crimes against the Albanian population, which were also recognized by the UN. And why did the author "forget" Greece, a country that is a historical ally of Serbia
      TELL EXACTLY WHAT CRIMES OF SERBIA AGAINST THE ALBANIAN PEOPLE DID ??? When did you kill Anglo-Saxon terrorists in Kosovo that your masters were transferred to Kosovo through Albania? And what kind of UN is for you POLITICAL CIRCUS IN THE HAG WHICH SHOULD DEFINE THE INITIES NATO IS THE UN ???
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          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 2 June 2021 13: 43
            +2
            If there are many like you in Serbia, you don't have to worry about Serbia! Best regards, Serbian Wolf. hi drinks
            1. Wolf
              Wolf 2 June 2021 13: 46
              +2
              Enough of us !!!
      2. pytar
        pytar 2 June 2021 14: 13
        -2
        A more or less obscure picture can be compiled only if, in addition to the Serbian version, one could hear the versions of other participants in the conflict. Bosniaks, Croats, verbal, Albanians. Unfortunately, I have not seen a single such case in Russia. And I've been watching them for years! The very fact that the versions of only one of the parties are shown already speaks of bias! hi
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 2 June 2021 14: 54
          +1
          There is no Bosnian Pitar in Bosnia Serbia and Serbi Muslims who do not recognize that they are Serbs! wink
          1. pytar
            pytar 2 June 2021 15: 16
            0
            There is no Bosnian Pitar in Bosnia Serbia and Serbi Muslims who do not recognize that they are Serbs!

            I know. It is the same with our "Macedonians". Bulgarian people who believed Tito that they are supposedly ancient, ancient Macedonians! laughing
            But listen, what to do with it? After all, a person is the way he will define himself! If you believe that he is a "natural Martian", you cannot kill him because of this! request
    2. Alexga
      Alexga 2 June 2021 13: 35
      +2
      My friend, do not pay attention to the Bulgarian, they are not free people now, they say what the owners say. The truth is on your side, you are the last who did not betray the Slavic brotherhood in Europe!
    3. pytar
      pytar 2 June 2021 14: 10
      0
      What are you lagoon and licimer Pitar !!!

      I understand you as a person. And I am not offended in any way. hi Some hard-hitting truths, you understand, will deny. This is normal. yes
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 2 June 2021 14: 14
        +1
        Tell me what "TRUE" I deny? Come on facts and point-by-point? Can ? I brought in fact ODLUKE VLADO BULGARIA AND PARLIAMENT WITH DATES, you also give what I deny?
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          1. Wolf
            Wolf 2 June 2021 14: 19
            +1
            When Bulgaria HAD AGREED TO SOLIDAROST WITH NATO THE SPITCHERS AND THEN WASN'T STILL BEEN A NATO MEMBER, WHAT IS THIS CALLED?
            1. pytar
              pytar 2 June 2021 15: 06
              -1
              When Bulgaria HAD AGREED TO SOLIDAROST WITH NATO THE SPITCHERS AND THEN WASN'T STILL BEEN A NATO MEMBER, WHAT IS THIS CALLED?

              In the meantime, your ambassador to Sofia expressed gratitude to Bulgaria for a balanced position on the conflict. I personally watched it on TV and was pleased. I don't know if the video has survived somewhere on YouTube, you can search. hi
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 June 2021 13: 38
    +4
    Where is your evidence, the genocide in Srebrennica could not even be proved, let alone Milosivic. Although they put Carla Del Ponte as judge, remember this one? We have a good memory, but for now pay for our gas. Pay and clap your hands.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 2 June 2021 14: 23
      +3
      TRAFFLOT BY DEFINITION DOES NOT EXIST LOCAL GENOCIDE, THIS IS ALSO ONE ONE OF DECEPTIONS BY NATO VILUTERS, a play on words which will deceive naive people, but many will not betray deception. There, in Srebrenitsa, there was a mischief over the WARRIOR CAPTIVES NOT IN THE POPULATION !!!
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 2 June 2021 14: 27
        +3
        I'm in the know, and the tankers are Dutch accomplices!
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  • Yves762
    Yves762 2 June 2021 15: 23
    +2
    Quote: pytar

    Czech Republic is a parliamentary republic! President Zeman has a purely representative function. On this occasion, he expressed a personal position, which is evident from the ego statement: "As a person I would like to ask forgiveness from the Serbian people forgive me."
    No Czech government has issued an official apology on behalf of the Czech Republic.

    The Czech Republic may be a "parliamentary republic", but the president has been elected since 2012 through direct popular elections, and not by parliament, as it was before.
    And the head of government (prime minister), who sets the direction of domestic and foreign policy, is appointed by the president, not parliament; as well as ministers.
    ... etc.
    In short, but the President of the Czech Republic is not "the same, from the mountain", but already a "figure". yes
    For this, his words are still something (a little more than) yes weighing.

    Quote: pytar
    Specifically Bulgaria ... relations with Serbia, observed neutrality. The territory was not provided to anyone from the participants in the conflict. And to get permission to fly into the airspace, it was possible only in the direction of OT Serbia, that is, at the end! ... According to the neutrality occupied by Bulgaria, flying in the direction (attacking NATO missions) towards Yugoslavia was NOT allowed through the Bulgarian airspace!


    Nope. tongue
    - "Bulgaria's parliament has agreed to allow Nato to use the country's airspace for its bombing campaign against Yugoslavia." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/335518.stm

    - "Bulgaria enters into agreement with NATO on transit passage through the territory of Bulgaria within the framework of the Joint Guardian Operation." https://www.nato.int/invitees2004/bulgaria/chronology.htm

    It doesn't even smell like neutrality.
    1. pytar
      pytar 2 June 2021 20: 00
      -3
      Zeman is already on the way out. More than 2 mandates cannot be, and even if it was possible to reset to zero, his rating is near-zero.
      Regarding the statute of Bulgaria in 1999, it is really conditionally neutral. I have already explained. A controversy was signed with NATO, with specific conditions. It was very unbearable, considering that Serbia is our worst enemy for 13 centuries. Serbs in the 90s did not dare to climb in Macedonia, prudently avoiding sooo big troubles ... yes
      1. Yves762
        Yves762 2 June 2021 21: 46
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        Zeman is already on the way out. ...

        The point is not personally about Zaman, but that this is the current president. yes

        Quote: pytar
        It was very unbearable, considering that Serbia is our worst enemy for 13 centuries.

        You know, the fact that Turkey in 2008 did not let the ships "Matra-SS-nikov "(tm) to Georgia" neutrality "was more than in the actions of Bulgaria in 1999 - IMHO.
        And this is despite the entire Russian-Turkish history. laughing
        1. pytar
          pytar 2 June 2021 22: 10
          -3
          The point is not personally about Zaman, but that this is the current president.

          And what of this? How does Zeman's opinion connect with other countries, if even the Czech authorities think differently? request
          You know, the fact that Turkey did not let ships through in 2008 ..

          And what of this? How does Turkey's actions in one conflict oblige other countries in another conflict? request
          1. Yves762
            Yves762 2 June 2021 23: 56
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            And what of this? How does Zeman's opinion connect with other countries, if even the Czech authorities think differently?

            Such that the president elected by direct popular vote is more a representative of the consolidated opinion of the people than parliament; even more so at the international level. In fact, among other things, it also performs the function of "arbitration" between the opinions of the people and the authorities.
            At least such a president is another legitimate "information channel" broadcasting the opinion of the people, which is counterproductive to ignore.

            Quote: pytar
            And what of this? How does Turkey's actions in one conflict oblige other countries in another conflict?

            Doesn't oblige.
            But everything is learned by comparison: Turkey's actions in 2008 are an example of a greater correspondence with the concept of "neutrality" than Bulgaria's in 1999.
            1. pytar
              pytar 3 June 2021 09: 27
              -1
              Such that the president elected by direct popular vote is more a representative of the consolidated opinion of the people than parliament; even more so at the international level.

              This is not entirely true. Not all opinions of the president or government coincide with those of the majority. And that's okay. And for some reason, you ignore what Zeman said, where he makes it clear that he personally apologizes: "As a person I would like to ask forgiveness from the Serbian people forgive me. " By the way, in parliamentary republics, voters often vote for one party, while the president is elected from the opposition. That there was a balance. This is also the case with us. True, I do not exclude the sympathy of some Czechs for the Serbs, and we have a lot of them. There has never been any historical conflict between the Czechs and Serbs.
              But everything is learned by comparison: Turkey's actions in 2008 are an example of a greater correspondence with the concept of "neutrality" than Bulgaria's in 1999.

              There are different neutralities ... Neutral Turkey during WWII supplied Germany with chrome and other strategic harshness. As for the events of 2008, Turkey has its own interests, specifically in Abkhazia. She was interested in the defeat of Georgia for this reason. It should be noted here that during the Yugoslav wars, Turkey provided all-round support to the Bosnians and Kosovars.
              By the way, the Russian military contingent KEYFOR was sent through the airspace of Bulgaria to Kossovo on An-124 Ruslan aircraft on July 5, 1999, after the signing of a memorandum between NATO and the Russian Federation.
              1. Yves762
                Yves762 3 June 2021 12: 15
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                Quote: pytar
                This is not entirely true. Not all opinions of the president or government coincide with those of the majority. And that's okay. ...

                You do not understand me.
                If Zeman spoke like this somewhere "behind closed doors", over a "glass of tea," then it still somehow could be attributed to his personally "human" opinion.
                What the President said, especially from the "official rostrum", EVEN MORE IN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS,
                is regarded as a representation of the opinion of those whom he represents (again, what to represent is his direct function / responsibility). And they will ask for what he said, and "to the fullest extent", including at the international level.

                He can as he wants to grovel, assuring that this is his "private / personal / human / whatever opinion", but this is not so.
                He is an official; in service. First and foremost, he is the President of the Czech Republic, and only then (or even the 10th thing) Milos Zeman.
                And he understands this very well. That's why he said it there, and not somewhere.

                Quote: pytar
                There are different neutralities ...

                Can not be. No.
                This is speculation invented to justify selfishness, commercialism and money-grubbing.
                It's just that the "winners" can not "pay tribute" to everyone, for one reason or another, on what these "differently neutral" and leave.
                By the way, it can end very badly, as for example for the KYU you mentioned, or Belgium at the same time.

                Quote: pytar
                As for the events of 2008, Turkey has its own interests, specifically in Abkhazia. She was interested in the defeat of Georgia for this reason.

                what Well, it's debatable ...
                Rather, the "agreement" played more to smear the West from "aid" to Georgia, since it was so stupid - it dragged the Russian Federation in by touching the peacekeepers.

                Quote: pytar
                By the way, the Russian military contingent KEYFOR was sent through the airspace of Bulgaria to Kossovo on An-124 Ruslan aircraft on July 5, 1999, after the signing of a memorandum between NATO and the Russian Federation.

                Huh.
                But the corridor for the Russian contingent, as for the SFOR member, was previously opened. And the command planned to use it when transferring additional contingents and supplies. But Bulgaria closed it.
                laughing Yes, I know that NATO was offended for the Incident at Pristina airport. But where is "neutrality"?
          2. Yves762
            Yves762 3 June 2021 02: 17
            +1
            NATO Applicant States: A Status Report for Congress (https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RL30168.html) - it claims that Bulgaria in 1999 did grant NATO an unlimited right to use its airspace.
            This is so, by the way.
            Ps
            Yes! And what about Turkey's participation, its planes and flight routes from their bases.? wink
            Looks like this is he ... repeat ... "Bulgarian neutrality".
            1. pytar
              pytar 3 June 2021 12: 18
              -1
              (https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RL30168.html) - it claims that Bulgaria in 1999 granted NATO an unlimited right to use its airspace.

              Pavel, I looked through the link texts, they are very lengthy. I did not find such a statement, although I may have missed something. Whatever was written there, all decisions regarding the status of Bulgaria, in connection with the Yugoslav events, are documented in detail by the Parliament. In summary:
              2On April 8, 1999, Bulgaria and NATO signed an agreement on the transit of NATO aircraft through the country's airspace as part of Operation Allied Force, which allows NATO aircraft to pass through the airspace only after returning from combat flights. As recorded in the note of the response of the Bulgarian government to NATO, allowing the corridor, but not having the right to take off for an air strike on the SR of Yugoslavia, since Bulgaria declares full neutrality.
              I think this is a very sparing decision on the attitude of the SFRY, also in view of the fact that at the same time ethnic Bulgarians were mobilized in the South Army from the so-called. Western Bulgarian outskirts. While they were fighting NATO, the Serbian police mocked the Bulgarian population there, which caused very negative reactions in Bulgaria!
              In general, all your reproaches do not take into account the negativity between us and the Serbs accumulated for centuries.
              1. Yves762
                Yves762 3 June 2021 13: 56
                0
                Here it is, the text of the misunderstanding, and the text of the note verbal - https://www.ciela.net/svobodna-zona-darjaven-vestnik/document/-12823040/issue/300
                Where is there about "pass through the airspace only after returning from combat flights"??? request

                And why are Bulgarian airfields needed, except in an emergency? Not a battle for Britain ... what

                Ni-fi-ha (b)
                Bulgaria has simply set the terms "smeared with honey".
                Sin will not agree.
                Bombies - I don't want ... etc.
                This is not "neutrality."
                This is "The neighbor is on fire - mold the gasoline."

                Quote: pytar
                In general, all your reproaches do not take into account the negativity between us and the Serbs accumulated for centuries.

                repeat I confess, I am cosmopolitan by nature, I hate everyone equally ... laughing
                Someone got caught / with what from the other side, there was something to say to him. And here you are, with this ...
                Compared to the fact that the sun will go out one day and the oil will run out even earlier, all this squabbling is a waste of time.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 4 June 2021 10: 48
                  -1
                  I understood that we are talking about different things. I keep talking about the first Yugoslav war of 1991-1995 / Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia / I am still under the impression of my visit to Vukovar, Dubrovnik and Bosnia, and you are about the second / Kosovo / 1999. that the article is about Kosovo, and not about the first south-war, you are right. hi
                  As for the trasitic corridors, the sheet music clearly states the reasons for their adoption. A heated debate took place in Parliament regarding their compliance with the Bolg. Declaration. Parliament 30.03.1999 / tech. Declaration of neutrality / part 1 which reads: "The Republic of Bulgaria will not participate directly or indirectly in hostilities in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia." Ultimately, the Constitutional Court ruled that the Disagreement with NATO did not contradict the Declaration, since the participation of the Bulgarians was not expected. Aircraft in operations.
                  There are two such misunderstandings - the one we are talking about relates to the operation to enforce peace "Allied by force", and the second about the operation "Joint Guard" on the transfer of peacekeeping contingents to Kossovo.
                  This is "The neighbor is on fire - mold the gasoline."

                  Kosovo is just 60 km from our border. Also a neighbor! As a result of Operation Allied by Force, the war was ended.
                  Got used someone / with what from the other side, there was something to say to him.

                  It is worth looking at the situation on the side of Serbia's neighboring countries. In the Russian Federation, "for some reason" only the Serbian point of view is broadcast ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 June 2021 15: 50
    +4
    Quote: pytar
    No Czech government has issued an official apology on behalf of the Czech Republic.

    And to be precise, during the Second World War, only Serbs and Greeks were on the side of the USSR, and the rest contributed their bit to helping the fascist Reich. And none of them have apologized since 1945, but almost all European countries have joined the winners. So much for the paradox.
    1. pytar
      pytar 2 June 2021 20: 05
      -2
      And to be precise, during the Second World War, only Serbs and Greeks were on the side of the USSR

      If we want to be absolutely precise, then the Serbs and Greeks ended up in the camp of the allies, not of their own accord. Italy attacked Greece and Germany attacked KYu after a pro-British coup there. This was during the period of the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact, when Britain alone was at war with Hitler. laughing
      So there is no paradox.
      1. Dude
        Dude 3 June 2021 09: 38
        0
        Quote: pytar
        And to be precise, during the Second World War, only Serbs and Greeks were on the side of the USSR

        If we want to be absolutely precise, then the Serbs and Greeks ended up in the camp of the allies, not of their own accord. Italy attacked Greece and Germany attacked KYu after a pro-British coup there. This was during the period of the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact, when Britain alone was at war with Hitler. laughing
        So there is no paradox.

        On their own, or not on their own - but, whatever one may say, they were in the Allied camp, unlike Bulgaria. You were the most natural fascist henchmen, I repeat, remember: fascist henchmen... You can't say it in another way, it never happened in another way.
        When the USSR was in the heavy forces, you fawned at Russia, everything was asking for the Union of the 16th republic. Now, as I see, they began to scoff, and you also justify your complicity with the Nazis. Well, well, no matter how twisted the rope ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 3 June 2021 13: 03
          -1
          You were the most natural fascist henchmen, I repeat, remember: fascist henchmen.

          For people like you, Sergey, it will be interesting to watch this video:

          Let's not mention the later period, when the BNA fought against the Wehrmacht, the topic is quite extensive by the way.
          you fawned at Russia, everything was asking for the Union of the 16th republic.

          Ha, ha! It was Todor Zhivkov who was asking for it, no one asked us! Totalitarianism!
          Now, as I see, they began to scoff

          You get an answer, it can't be otherwise when you compose all sorts of nonsense! So you will not achieve anything, continue to invent enemies for yourself. After all, it is necessary to somehow divert the attention of the people from the internal situation.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 June 2021 09: 46
        0
        Quote: pytar
        If we want to be absolutely precise, then the Serbs and Greeks ended up in the Allied camp, not of their own accord.

        Just as Bulgaria ended up in the "axis" camp, not voluntarily. But thank you for refusing to fight the Russians.
        1. pytar
          pytar 3 June 2021 13: 10
          -1
          Just as Bulgaria ended up in the "axis" camp, not voluntarily.

          And there is. Boris III had no choice, but he tried in every possible way to save the country from the whirling world cataclysm! And we must give him his due, it was succeeded to a significant degree.

          But thank you for refusing to fight the Russians.

          This was the maximum possible in that situation.
          As far as I am aware during WWII there is no other European Axis country that succeeded at the same time:
          1. Refuse to fight against the USSR.
          2. Save your Jews from the Holocaust.
          3. To fight against Germany / 44-45th. /.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 3 June 2021 17: 00
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            1. Refuse to fight against the USSR.
            2. Save your Jews from the Holocaust.
            3. To fight against Germany / 44-45th. /.

            All true.
  • Marachuh
    Marachuh 2 June 2021 13: 34
    -3
    Well, here it is again ... Russia must! And someone said thank you to Russia? Does anyone owe Russia? We saved Georgians, Armenians and Bulgarians from the Ottomans. They gave independence to Finam. They defended the Poles and the Balts. They gave land to Ukraine. They built factories, factories, roads for them. Even the United States supported in the struggle for independence! And in response, we only hear claims, accusations and threats. Maybe it's time to score on all these "friends and partners?" Maybe we will raise our country. Vlodtm money into their people. And those who wish to be friends disinterestedly, let them be friends. Let the rest bite further behind the fence, but without our presence! Stop paying all these Paz, Osse, big 8s and small 6s.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 2 June 2021 13: 49
      +1
      1 and 0 poliezan no poliezan, so roughly think? Is it getting drunk in the market or does it not fit? This is not a LUDD'S STARTING A MISSION, BUT A REPTILIAN! wink
      1. Marachuh
        Marachuh 2 June 2021 13: 56
        -1
        Did you smoke the primer as a child? I have blood from my eyes from your rock painting!
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 2 June 2021 14: 00
          0
          And napluvat us that you have in front of your eyes! wink
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 June 2021 09: 50
          0
          Quote: Marachuh
          Did you smoke the primer as a child? I have blood from my eyes from your rock painting!

          In vain you are so, if a person speaks not in Russian, but still knows it, though not to the same extent as we do, then it is not necessary to reproach him with the "primer".
          1. Marachuh
            Marachuh 3 June 2021 13: 35
            -1
            Google translator to help him. And judging by this krakozyabre, this is not knowing the language. I am telling you as a person who learned German from 0 in Germany and who himself was in a similar situation.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 June 2021 15: 58
      +3
      Quote: Marachuh
      And someone said thank you to Russia?

      Yes, after May 9, 1945, no country said thank you, and did not apologize for helping Hitler.
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 2 June 2021 19: 17
        0
        The kids have a problem, they allowed the residents of Zlochin that they passed without punishment, and they believe that they can repeat it. So, in fact, it was and is now. When Rusia offered Yuuzhni a stream through Bulgari, out of gratitude to Rusia, they did not agree. In fact, they brought huge losses to both Russia and Bulgaria and Serbia and invited Sultan Erdogan to the southeastern Balkans. They do not understand the stupid servant that if the Sultan wants to perform "potions and transversal to Sarajevo and Viena, he must pass either through Greece or Bulgaria, which means that the Sultan would get to the Serbs, he will choose the road where it is easy, and the Greeks have the most Sirian army in the Balkans. And that will the Sultan choose the question here?
        In addition, there is NO ONLY IOT. MAKEDONZI IN MOST OF SERBI, AND SHOPI AND VSA NORTHWESTERN FREQUENTLY BULGARIA !!! THE SCOPE WAS THE CITY OF TSAR DUSHANA, AND HIS GRANDFATHER SOFIA, AND THE LIGHT SAVA PATRIKH OF SERBIAN IS FUNERAL IN TRNOVA !!! WHAT WOULD TI PITAR KNOW TO THE OTHER SERVANT OF THE HABSBURGS, GERMAN NAZIS AND NATO ZLOCHINTSOV !!!
        1. pytar
          pytar 3 June 2021 21: 55
          -1
          Of course, Serbs are not only Macedonians, Shopi and all northwestern Bulgaria, but also all Europeans up to the English Channel, part of the Africans / those who are less dark /, half of the Asians / those whose eyes are not quite narrow /, and even the Sumerians, they are for sure! No one will argue with this statement, but there is a minor problem ... all of the above, well, do not consider themselves Serbs in any way. Even monolingual with you Montenegrins, Croatians, Bosnians think differently. laughing
          1. Wolf
            Wolf 4 June 2021 12: 04
            0
            Montenegrins have clearly shown both DZHUKANOVIC AND HABSBURGS THAT THEY WON'T BE ABOUT THE SERBIAN NAME, LUZHIKA SERBI WASN'T ANYWHERE, IN BOSNIA SERBI ALSO WAS EMPTY WRITING AGAIN! As for the Shops and not just them, it was decided by the Habsburgs of Fanarioti in the 19th century, but they still sing to KINGS AND MARK AND VOLKASHINA MRNACHEVICH AND OTHER SERBIAN BELIEVERS AND TODAY !!! wink
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                1. Wolf
                  Wolf 4 June 2021 12: 29
                  0
                  Does he eat songs about the King of the Habsburg there? I have not singled them out. wink
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf 4 June 2021 13: 25
                    0
                    What will the new song about the King of Habsburg look like?
                    SADDLE HABSBURG FROM THE LIGHTHOUSE YES EVENING,
                    SUVA LEBA AND CRWENOG WINES .....


                    https://youtu.be/Q5hMwPzaiiY
  • Normal
    Normal 2 June 2021 20: 02
    -1
    I guess it's all phantom pain.
    Empty is everything.
    The multi-vector nature of the Serbs will give Lukashenka a head start in one lap and finish by two laps.
    It is necessary to part with the illusion of brotherhood with "brothers". They will always look at both sides. It's nature.
    Only when we are an undeniable power. Not to imagine yourself as her, namely, in fact, to be her in the space of the southern Slavs, then the brothers themselves will cling to us in an outburst of love.
    But, even then, should we believe them? Of course not. It's like believing a southern woman.
    They must be kept in strictness and unquestioning obedience,
    Only in this case we will receive respect from the southern Slavs.
    In the meantime, in fact, we are not an indisputable force, they are simply trying to use us to show the Western contender their relevance and increase their worth.
  • stoqn477
    stoqn477 4 June 2021 09: 58
    0
    Quote: Wolf
    In addition, there is NO ONLY IOT. MAKEDONZI IN MOST OF SERBI, AND SHOPI AND VSA NORTHWESTERN FREQUENTLY BULGARIA !!! THE SCOPE WAS THE CITY OF TSAR DUSHANA, AND HIS GRANDFATHER SOFIA, AND THE LIGHT SAVA PATRIKH OF SERBIAN IS FUNERAL IN TRNOVA !!! WHAT WOULD TI PITAR KNOW TO THE OTHER SERVANT OF THE HABSBURGS, GERMAN NAZIS AND NATO ZLOCHINTSOV !!!


    Logically, all Macedonians should be Serbs. How else. After all, for 70 years you beat them, killed them and brainwashed them to create a new nation. Why is the entire former Yugoslavia against Serbia? Because no one in the former Yugoslavia wants to recognize you as the supermen for whom you obviously think, and peacefully listen to what is being sung in Belgrade. They have listened to you enough. They decided that it was enough for them.