Modern media theses: from "it's time to flee from Russia" to "Russia has solid victories and outstanding achievements"

Society and the so-called expert community are divided into several "irreconcilable" camps. In one of them, those who see complete hopelessness and degradation in the modern life of the country. In another, those who consider the way of life in modern Russia as a model for an example - all around are victories and achievements.

If a person tries to take an evaluative position, carrying out an analysis of what is happening for himself, then he risks becoming enemies of both one and the other. Since for some, everything is categorically bad, for others it is just as categorically delightful.

Some take the trouble to defame the achievements of the USSR, noting that the president's words "about some galoshes as the peak of Soviet production" were "close to the truth." Others see the country's future solely in copying the Soviet way of life, in transferring the principles of Soviet statehood to the present.

Both of these camps have propagandists. And each group is actively trying to impose its own media agenda: from the fact that "it's time to flee abroad" to the fact that "Russia is about to make a grandiose breakthrough." The difference between these judgments is like an abyss. It would seem that there are no common ground. Or is there?

The columnist Konstantin Semin is trying to figure out the issue on his channel:

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[BISMARCK94]

As the saying goes, "the truth is somewhere in between"

[Svarog]

Both of these camps have propagandists. And each group is actively trying to impose its own media agenda: from the fact that "it's time to flee abroad" to the fact that "Russia is about to make a grandiose breakthrough." The difference between these judgments is like an abyss. It would seem that there are no common ground. Or is there?

Abroad, no one is waiting .. you need to equip your house and achieve real victories .. and not paint the grass .. in green.

[depressant]

Yeah ... In my village, a former academic town, over the past 20 years, all the roads and paths have been repaired, every day more and more new types of imported equipment are mowing glades with dandelions, cutting trees, and that's all. Not a single production was opened! There is no development of the territory. This is with a completely educated population, with the traditions of science and culture. Guys with smart faces, not some kind of drunk, stand behind the counters, sell the master's goods brought from China. It's a shame.

[mikh-korsakov]

Lyudmila Yakovlevna! "Not a single production was opened!" And let me be curious, let's say it happens that in your village they plan to open some kind of production. Don't you think that a pack of ecologists and "ecologists" will immediately come running up who will foaming at the mouth to prove that it is impossible to build this production in you, where there are such exemplary lawns, especially if you have an educated population? Modern factories are now opening outside the city limits. And it is right. You know, ten years ago, I would have warmly supported you when the famous plant built by Peter was closed in our town, which, in addition, has a glorious tradition of sheltering the leader of the world proletariat in a hut. But then I read a message that this plant is being built far from the city in an industrial zone. In our country, on the site of a closed plant, they cannot start the construction of lofts, because the land around the plant is saturated with non-ferrous metals. that the land is expensive, the area is resort.

[depressant]

Dear colleague mikh-korsakov
The fact is that back in the 90s in our village they closed the enterprise that forged the radar shield of the Motherland, and a "production" was created in its premises for pouring paint from barrel containers into commodity cans. It seems that it is more expensive to wash a used large container, and it is disposed of in some extremely smelly way. The population learned about it by the periodically appearing poisonous smell, the "production" in revenge was set on fire twice, but not a single ecologist even appeared.
And let's call everything by its proper names.
At the opening of any new production - not environmentalists, or rather, not only environmentalists and not even seven with a spoon, but a huge crowd comes to the entrepreneur - "Give!" So small manufacturing enterprises are not opening.

[Squelcher]

Yes, I remember the old tradition, to paint the grass before the arrival of the inspectors.

[mikh-korsakov]

Maxim. It's like mowing grass. In our unit, before the arrival of the authorities, they ordered the decommissioned gas cylinders to be dug into the ground along the road to the parade ground, while the upper part protruding from the ground was ordered to be painted red. As for the disputes between the all-propals and uryakolkov, both sides are wrong. In any era, under any power, you can find a bunch of great and shameful, to whom what is in the mood. So their argument is not worth a damn.

[Squelcher]

I absolutely agree with you! Although it is sinful that I sometimes enter into a useless argument with critics or all-fledged people.
The history of Russia is more than 1000 years old.

[Svarog]

Quote: Squelcher

The history of Russia is more than 1000 years old.

But never in history has the country's population died out at such a rate .. and what is most terrible, there are no prerequisites for a reversal of this trend ..

[Squelcher]

In Africa, constant wars, hunger, epidemics, human life is not worth a penny, medicine and education can be said no, and the population is growing?

[Svarog]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

When it comes to the disputes between all the protesters and the uryakolkov, both sides are wrong. In any era, under any power, you can find a bunch of great and shameful, to whom what is in the mood.

So what have you found great in the last 30 years?

[Anachoret]

when the liberal-comprador press trumpets on the topic "it's time to blame", the patriotic press specifies who exactly should be blamed))

[lucul]

As the saying goes, "the truth is somewhere in between"

Let's forget for a start the dirt of the 80s and 90s with their "time to flee from Russia."
And the rest will come by itself.
Until you start to respect yourself, no one will respect you.
And Putin convinced the Russians to stop being ashamed of being Russian. But how the Zionists tried to instill this shame in the Russians on a subconscious level - but they did not succeed.

[Akuzenka]

And Putin convinced the Russians to stop being ashamed of being Russian.

It’s strange. Nobody taught me to be proud that I am Russian! I was proud of myself! Moreover, no one taught me to stop being proud that I am Russian. I have always believed that a person should be proud of his nation. A Tatar, that he is a Tatar, an Uzbek, that he is an Uzbek, etc. And all together should be proud that we live together and amicably. It was. And capitalism breeds nations in its "chicken coops" in order to extract real profit from interethnic conflicts, because business "on blood" is profitable. This is the essence of capitalism and it cannot do otherwise.

[Svarog]

Quote: AKuzenka

And capitalism breeds nations in its "chicken coops" in order to extract real profit from interethnic conflicts, because business "on blood" is profitable. This is the essence of capitalism and otherwise it cannot

Tooting..

[Doctor]

Rather like this:
Solid victories, but you always need to be ready to run.

[yehat2]

in our country, many do not understand what is happening in the country and usually occupy 3 typical positions - everything is gone, it's time to blame, everything is cool, then we watch the first channel and everything will settle by itself (we sit in ambush and do not buzz). All 3 positions are escapism, which is very convenient for a corrupt government. I'm not just talking about the MSC, the feudal power vertical was built throughout the country.

It's time to understand for every citizen that it's time to take power into their own hands. I'm not talking about elections, but about local self-government, because without it you will not achieve anything. The second point is the creation and participation in public interest organizations - from clubs of hunters to societies of angry consumers, trade unions (dangerous, but necessary). It doesn't matter what your beliefs are - left, right or some other. The state has long refused to protect ordinary residents and it is necessary to do it ourselves, and by uniting it is easier to do it. See how diasporas do it.
The funny thing is that this is essentially the land of the councils. The one for which Lenin drowned.
And the one that Khrushchev later reformatted into a country where everything belongs to "his people."

[Doctor]

I'm not talking about elections, but about local self-government, because without it you will not achieve anything.

Any "wrong" local will be immediately removed, simply without giving money.
And then the people themselves will begin to be indignant - where are the clinics, where are the roads!
Everything worked out.

[yehat2]

Quote: Arzt

Everything worked out.

worked out against singles. When people are united in societies where they trust each other and understand what is happening, there should be no such discrepancies.

[Avalex]

Have you tried it yourself? Or know better from the couch? I tried it and it worked. If no one interferes with doing business! Well, if the people also support, then there will be help.

[yehat2]

Quote: Avalex

If no one bothers to do business

this is usually the case, but firstly, you can accidentally cross someone's road,
and secondly, if one is not supported, the hernia may come out.
there are a lot of illustrative examples - for example, the adventures of the Crimean zoo.

[Avior]

And a certain Makhno called for this :)))
And if it's no joke, then your idea is correct, but naive.
As long as your activities do not interfere with the authorities, you will not be touched.
But if you start running across the road to the authorities, very quickly you will find a bunch of violations, or even become a criminal unexpectedly for yourself.
As for the diasporas, they protect their interests to the detriment of others, not the authorities.

[yehat2]

Quote: Avior

to the detriment of strangers, not power

Well, let's take the society "Let's return the real sausages!"
is it interfering with the authorities? It simply performs those functions that the government does not perform.
And in fact, power belongs not to the offices, but to those who do the work.
People, integrating into the structures that pursue their interests, will gradually change the power.
But you need to start small, and not with a coup, like the GKChP.

[Revival]

You are calling for extremism!))
Have your own opinion, and even out loud !?
Ayayayyy ..

"Well, let's take society" let's return the real sausages! "
Does it interfere with the authorities? "

The one who produces sausages is usually not an easy person.

Well, for example, you go to a rally about "fake sausages", and now the article is ready for you, for a start the administrative office, and then how lucky ...
Or you write articles about "fake sausages", and here it is "slander and lies", and there is a lawsuit, an article and, well, you get the idea ..
Or an article about the fact that those who are supposed to not react are covered, and so on. ABOUT! Criticism! Naturally "unreasonable", well, then you know ...

You look from the root, start with the question, and in whose interests "make sausages"

[Avior]

And what, they returned the real sausages?
If you seriously do this, then very quickly you will come across the requirements of standards and rules lobbied by large capital with the help of the authorities, as well as with the work of sanitary regulatory bodies. While you run into a small shop, no one will touch you, and even then the question of his connections. And if you try on a large scale, there will be problems.
Start small with small and finish: (((((

[yehat2]

what has it to do with assaults on someone?
you need to negotiate with manufacturers and stores so that quality products fall into the sales matrix. Those. if society guarantees demand, for example, in a specific area of ​​the city at the level of 1000 kg per month, it is profitable for the traders to provide this demand, and not blindly sculpt a cheap cattle set "goodbye stomach". You can't build anything with such logic.
You need to build, not butt.

In fact, the same thing is already happening in little things with milk, eggs and a number of other products. For example, I agreed to buy sorrel regularly at a nearby kiosk and it went on sale. But not little things are needed, but more ambitious work.
And when edro tries to regulate these processes, it will be logical to ask - who are you?

[Avior]

after all, it is profitable for the merchants to ensure this demand, and not blindly sculpt a cheap kit "goodbye stomach"

It is profitable for hucksters to make cheap and sell as expensive.
as long as you personally communicate at the level of a specific manufacturer, then no problem. Only this will not correct the situation as a whole. you will not be able to kill life for sausages, milk, bread, sour cream, socks and so on.
especially since you yourself understand it

But not little things are needed, but larger-scale work.

But there will be problems with large-scale work, since what you write is not a problem of a particular manufacturer, it is a general problem, moreover, a system. And you have made yourself some good expensive sausages, this is good. But this will remain isolated cases.

[yehat2]

Quote: Avior

But this will remain isolated cases.

In Italy, half of the country lives like that.
I will give another example - in our area, no one simply sells quality cheese. I got sick of looking - they accidentally suggested a farmer who keeps his shop 15 km from us. Gradually, in 1 year, its sales increased significantly, mostly neighbors from my house go there. And if they did not know, they would buy "Russian cheese" from powdered milk, Gouda with fat substitutes and the like "G".
The buyer can only vote with his feet and wallet. But it is difficult for everyone to select all the products. It would be much easier if some organization would suggest every year where the quality is.

[Avior]

I like the quality of the Italians' products. Despite the fact that I have been to Italy only as a tourist, I do not speak Italian and did not agree on anything with anyone, of course

[Avior]

Those. if society guarantees demand, for example, in a specific area of ​​the city at the level of 1000 kg per month

and how can it guarantee? financially, buys out the remains?
if it is sold, then both the seller and the manufacturer do not mind transporting themselves.
and if not, then whatever you say, they will not carry

[Akuzenka]

But if you start running across the road to the authorities, very quickly you will find a bunch of violations, or even become a criminal unexpectedly for yourself.

Not necessarily power. Even if you cross the road to a businessman, which makes money on it. Or he just wants to squeeze out your case. And the administrative resource is constantly involved in this.

[Doctor]

See how diasporas do it.

I recently asked an Armenian friend of mine: how do you manage to organize yourself, when will the Russians do this?
His answer: when the vodka ends.

Once upon a time, once upon a time, great things await every morning.

[vladimirvn]

Quote: Arzt

His answer: when the vodka ends.

Vodka is a consequence, not a cause. Life is not interesting. The ceiling is constantly hanging over you. And over your children and grandchildren. The division of society has already taken place. Figuratively speaking, the son of a janitor can only be a janitor.

[Doctor]

Vodka is a consequence, not a cause. Life is not interesting. The ceiling is constantly hanging over you. And over your children and grandchildren. The division of society has already taken place. Figuratively speaking, the son of a janitor can only be a janitor.

Do not lose heart.
Vladimir Ilyich is still in place and 55 volumes are waiting for their readers.
This is not Mine Kampf for you, there is a complete program of actions and answers to all questions.
And whoever did not find the answers in them will find a successor in 16 volumes.

Well, for those who do not read well, there is a huge audio and video archive for 70 years.

[yehat2]

Quote: Arzt

answers to all questions

there is no need to throw ourselves into this trap, concocted by the Khrushchev system of partocracy hostile to Lenin and Stalin.
Lenin does not have all the answers; on the contrary, he demanded to constantly move and revise these answers. Stalin and Lenin had many disputes on various issues, although it is difficult to find a more consistent successor.
Socialism is, first of all, a living search for how to do NOW better, and not as Marx or Homer wrote. You are given search tools, landmarks, not ready-made answers.
For example, Marx's thesis about the world revolution was already revised in 1924, because in fact in Germany, the USA and other countries it became clear that capital can temporarily negotiate with the workers. And the course was changed, and those who stubbornly continued to implement it, for example, Trotsky, were sorted out.

[Doctor]

there is no need to throw ourselves into this trap, concocted by the Khrushchev system of partocracy hostile to Lenin and Stalin.
Lenin does not have all the answers; on the contrary, he demanded to constantly move and revise these answers. Stalin and Lenin had many disputes on various issues, although it is difficult to find a more consistent successor.
Socialism is, first of all, a living search for how to do NOW better, and not as Marx or Homer wrote. You are given search tools, landmarks, not ready-made answers.
For example, Marx's thesis about the world revolution was already revised in 1924, because in fact in Germany, the USA and other countries it became clear that capital can temporarily negotiate with the workers. And the course was changed, and those who stubbornly continued to implement it, for example, Trotsky, were sorted out.
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These are the details. It is important that a precedent has been set - the camp of socialism.

The young man will look at "Spring on Zarechnaya Street" and suddenly realize that it turns out that Novolipetsk Metallurgical was built not by the billionaire Lisin, but by a simple Soviet guy.
Here is a ready-made revolutionary for you.

[your1970]

Quote: vladimirvn

Vodka is a consequence, not a cause. Life is not interesting. The ceiling is constantly hanging over you. And over your children and grandchildren

- and didn’t drink on black before? !!!!!
Under the tsars, the ceiling, under Stalin, the ceiling, under Putin, the ceiling? !!!!!
In the 70s, 6 men froze on the street drunk in winter, and in the 80s, another 5 ...
Also, the ceiling pressed and the children were current in the windshield wipers ?????

[ccsr]

Quote: vladimirvn

The division of society has already taken place.

Everything was noted correctly, and I must say thank you to those idiots who, at 91, shouted "Down with the CPSU", which did its best to give equal opportunities to all the people of the country. Now this will never happen, and the children of the rich were initially placed in such conditions that the children of those who do not have such capital will work for them. Marx's teaching rules - it's good that even now some people have begun to think about what awaits our descendants in the future. Maybe they will come to the conclusion that we need a different model of society, where our Christian and socialist roots will receive a worthy development, and where spirituality will come first, not sausage.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: ccsr

thanks to those idiots who shouted "Down with the KPSS" at 91

While the CPSU was cutting the country into pieces, and diligently shoving it into the pockets of the most "honored" members of the CPSU. in 91, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union destroyed the USSR by sawing it up and plundering it. So, as I understand you, it was necessary not to shout Down with, but to destroy the members of the CPSU from those who are higher. Since then the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was not going to give anything to anyone but themselves, and did not give, getting off with cool pieces of paper)

[ccsr]

Quote: Mikhail3

So, as I understand you, it was necessary not to shout Down with, but to destroy the members of the CPSU from those who are higher.

As I noticed a long time ago, you have a perverse understanding of my texts - I did not call for reprisals, they were already enough in our history, so its lessons must be taken into account.

Quote: Mikhail3

Since then the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was not going to give anything to anyone but themselves, and did not give, getting off with cool pieces of paper)

Well, since that time was cool for you, then you must understand that you are one of those who shouted "Down with the Communist Party of the Soviet Union!" The most. Now you have probably become an oligarch, you laugh at those who believed you at that time.

[Mikhail3]

Whether I shouted or not (I didn’t shout. Smart people don’t yell at all, our brains are arranged differently) - the country was plundered by the Communist Party. All the thieves who became oligarchs, with the exception of two or three, are either high-ranking party functionaries, or received a piece of the loot from their hands. It's not that I "misunderstand". Alas, the problem is that you do not understand what you are saying) It looks cool - the fact that the country was destroyed and plundered by the Communist Party, is known and understood by all the people. But you don’t!) It didn’t occur to you, huh? What, did you get the best piece? Or is it just the amount of mind? Hehe ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Mikhail3

Whether I shouted or not (I didn’t shout. Smart people don’t shout at all, our brains are arranged differently) - the country was plundered by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

How, how, how, especially if you count the number of billionaires who appeared after the collapse of the USSR - tell it to someone else, more naive.

Quote: Mikhail3

Alas, the problem is that you do not understand what you are saying)

Therefore, only you can understand what I am saying, unlike me - in an original way, I have not seen this for a long time among those who read my texts.

Quote: Mikhail3

It looks cool - the fact that the country was destroyed and plundered by the CPSU is known and understood by all the people.

You are lying - the people just began to understand that it was not the CPSU who robbed the country, but those who replaced the party with party cards in their pocket, so they were initially opportunists. And these are completely different people than those who were in the majority in the party, and who did not rob the country, but, on the contrary, worked for it.

Quote: Mikhail3

Or is it just the amount of mind? Hehe ...

I think in the amount of yours.

[Mikhail3]

The CPSU plundered and destroyed the USSR. Who organized all this? Who held the rallies, whose signatures are on all the documents securing the disintegration of the country? Who gave out from the hands of factories, factories, land and everything else? Who are these people?
Lord, what are you like a little child, really ...

[Svarog]

Quote: yehat2

The state has long refused to protect ordinary residents and it is necessary to do it ourselves, and by uniting it is easier to do it

Who will give you to unite .. naive.

[Trickster]

All are right. It all depends on desires and outlook.
If you want to be a cool IT specialist, scientist, inventor or, at worst, a teacher, then dump without options. If you are on a high to work for 30 thousand, then you are lucky you were born in the best country in the world.

[tatra]

Enemies of the communists argue that both are in the title. This is how they built a State, in which all of them "and now are better than in the USSR" - some have mythical "achievements" such as counterfeiting Soviet products and a large export of wheat, while others - it's time to get out of this State. And none of them is capable of honestly, objectively, adequately discussing both the Soviet period and the post-Soviet period - WHAT and WHO is better for Russia and the Russian people.

[Sofa]

While the pension will be 9000, and the minimum monthly rate of 12700, there can be no talk of any breakthrough. And what does the media have to do with their theses, no one believes in these tales for a long time.

[yehat2]

Quote: Couch

While the pension will be 9000, and the minimum rate of 12700, there can be no talk of any breakthrough

there will be a breakthrough - the abolition of the pension and the gate instead of the mortgage. This is where it all goes.

[Akuzenka]

there will be a breakthrough - the abolition of the pension and the gate instead of the mortgage. This is where it all goes.

To the point, colleague!

[vladimirvn]

The State Duma found out that the abolition of serfdom was illegitimate and the people had accumulated corvee debts for 160 years.

[Svarog]

Quote: vladimirvn

The State Duma found out that the abolition of serfdom was illegitimate and the people had accumulated corvee debts for 160 years.

you be careful .. you threw the idea so to speak .. although they will find how to steal.

[kamakama]

The tax system is fundamentally built in such a way that even the region does not have "local money" (only land and transport taxes). I am silent about the districts or something smaller, only fines for traffic rules :)) ALL other collected taxes (VAT, personal income tax, MET, NP and other excise taxes) go to the center and then, according to some rule that changes periodically, are distributed back ... In principle, this works, but federal legislation does not in any way allow regulating the tax flow. I, as the head of the district, physically cannot impose a tax on garbage, for example, although if I have a resort area, this is an obvious problem. Similarly, if I want to build a bunch of points from service areas, I cannot remove some of the taxes for this type of activity to launch this area. Moreover, it makes no sense to me - for my efforts I will be forced to share with the federal center

[Knell wardenheart]

Everything is like at sunset - the sun is still shining, of course, it is even quite bright, but the trend is understandable to the point of disgrace, the sunset cannot be confused with anything. So yes, it can be beautiful and colorful, it can be epic at times - but it is followed by twilight and then night falls. Now we are in the twilight of past glory, we can still learn something epic and rattle, we still have a factor, etc., etc., we have some tactical successes - but the "picture along the front" says that we are a state at sunset, approaching twilight and night ... We, as a state, will not survive neither one nor the other if we do not break the trend of our own development and attitude towards our citizens, improve the quality of life and learn to live as a modern state and not as a relic of the era of mastodons.

[Mikhail3]

Cool situation. All the authorities in the world consider their peoples to be mindless idio.ty. All the authorities recklessly lie, manipulate, keep silent and generally stir the brains of their peoples with a spoon. And then, oh, oh! Opponents are doing the same to your people! Moreover, most often they do it much smarter and more skillfully, due to the fact that they know how to pay for talented work and respect a specialist!
What to do, what to do ?! The method of total silence and blocking of information has completely failed, turning out to be much more harmful than the enemy propaganda itself. But then how is it the same? How to make YOUR filthy nonsense roll, but ALSO else's dirty bullshit is not? Indeed, in the eyes of these wrong peoples, all the filthy scoundrels who lie to him are smeared with myrrh!
Ay-yay-yay, how uncomfortable it turns out ...

[Vsevolod]

Lefties love to jerk Semu Kostin, cuckolds, what to take from them?

[parusnik]

In short, the kingdom of crooked mirrors.

[voyaka uh]

Oligarchic semi-state capitalism of the South American type.
Reliance on the export of raw materials and on the national guard.

[Svarog]

Quote: voyaka uh

Oligarchic semi-state capitalism of the South American type.
Reliance on the export of raw materials and on the national guard.

Exactly .. exactly .. Pinochet is resting ..

[nikvic46]

Cosplay-costume games. That is, theater. At one time, Sofia Rotaru first used "plywood". But the applause was real. In our century, we thought about how to reflect the reaction of the audience more deeply. And the same "plywood" helped. Liquid pops, lack of laughter, it does not matter. All this can be amplified to a standing ovation, to laughter. You have to show general glee, or dislike. Everything can be kings.