Zelensky's office tried to add specificity to the president's statement on the referendum on Donbass

In Ukraine, they continue to discuss the statement of President Volodymyr Zelensky on the possible holding of a referendum on the situation in Donbass. Recall that Zelensky said a few days earlier that a plebiscite could be held on this issue, which he himself cannot organize, but can accept "by virtue of presidential powers." According to Zelensky, a referendum in this case can be initiated by the Ukrainian people.

Today in the office of the Ukrainian president they tried to bring specifics into the statement of the head of state.

Advisor to the Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Mikhail Podolyak spoke about the possibility of a nationwide vote on the situation in Donbass.

According to Mr. Podolyak, Ukraine will hold a referendum on the Donbass issue "if the negotiation process requires it." At the moment, as the Ukrainian official clarifies, "there are no such requests and specific initiatives."

At the same time, Mikhail Podolyak pointedly added that the topic of Donbass at the referendum, if one is organized, will not be the only one. "And other topics for discussion and voting" are assumed. What kind of topics Kiev is going to put up for a popular vote, if such is still planned, the adviser to the head of Zelensky's office did not say.

Ukrainian experts, meanwhile, note that all these statements are made deliberately - on the eve of the meeting between Biden and Putin, which is to be held in Geneva on June 16.

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[cniza]

At the same time, Mikhail Podolyak pointedly added that the topic of Donbass is not a referendum, if one is organized, it will not be the only one. "And other topics for discussion and voting" are assumed.

What are you afraid of? You also ask about NATO ...

[For example]

There one topic is relevant
- Do you agree to abolish the state of Ukraine and live further communicating like your ancestors in Russian?

Variants of answer:
- Yes
- No, we will die out in spite of the Muscovites.

[Mouse]

When the authorities were interested in such a trifle as the opinion of the people?
and even a forced government ...

[novel66]

when it comes to pitchforks and axes! Vasya

[Mouse]

Novel
something somehow does not reach the point ... you see everything suits ...

[novel66]

this is what is annoying

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Referendum? "Will", how ... All this is a stupid arrogant chutzpah for "wiring" suckers. They still hope to be believed.

[Finches]

Having received an order from the president
Do not rush to make a referendum
Maybe he sniffed "The Moment"
Or smoked of cannabis?

[novel66]

if the clown president
don't rush to rush
maybe he is at any moment
will say "just kidding"

[knn54]

They are afraid of only ONE referendum on the Land Code.

[Alex Justice]

and a referendum on the Russian language

[Normal ok]

It is interesting how people who have never been in the trench under fire from Sanya comment on the news ((

[Uncle lee]

Quote: cniza

What are you afraid of?

And in the photo at Ze - HORNS!

[cniza]

And it seemed to me that the loop was falling ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: cniza

the loop drops ...

Good too ! The son-in-law said, throwing slippers at the cat and hitting the mother-in-law ...

[cniza]

Nothing else shines for him, he did everything himself ...

[Richard]

interesting angle in the photo. Ze is either the antichrist, or the husband is a cuckold

[Anachoret]

Since the topics of the referendum will not be limited to Donbass, it means that the topic of the legalization of all types of drugs and prostitution will be touched upon) Seele has nothing more to ask the people about))

[Orange bigg]

Successfully Zelenenky builds a circus from the country.

[not main]

Quote: Anchorite

Since the topics of the referendum will not be limited to Donbass, it means that the topic of the legalization of all types of drugs and prostitution will be touched upon) Seele has nothing more to ask the people about))

Well, why is there nothing? And the "eternal" question since 2014. : "Whose Crimea!" So I think that this will be the first question in the "referendum"!

[isv000]

... you said in the middle: I will give both from the rear and from the front - I deceived, pidvela ...

[novel66]

what an infection ..

[Gardener91]

DLB ... (S. Lavrov)

[prior]

Why not hold a referendum in Russia on the ownership of Kiev ?!

A referendum in the region can only be held by citizens of the region, in Crimea - by Crimeans, in Donbass - by Donetsk residents.
Zelya, from which side are you here?
With the same success, Zelensky can hold a referendum in Alaska on the ownership of Alaska to Ukraine, there was once Ukraine as part of Russia ...

[Orange bigg]

The referendum on the globe of Ukraine is just in their style. Like other bilibird.

In relation to Russians, Jews, Armenians, Belarusians, Hungarians, Poles and Gypsies, millions of citizens of Ukraine, therefore, "forced assimilation" and "incitement to hatred" are not prohibited? Well, in general, they really are not prohibited.

“The Russian language does not exist at all. There is a northern dialect of the Ukrainian language, "said Ivan Vinnik, deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, member of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc faction.

“We have one way - to destroy Moscow, for this we live, for this we came to this world to destroy Moscow. To destroy not just Muscovites on our lands, but a black hole in European security that needs to be wiped off the map of the world, ”said Irina Farion, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, a member of the Svoboda party.

Torchlight processions of neo-Nazis on the streets of Ukrainian cities in honor of the SS Galicia division, the ban on the use of the Russian language in many areas, and the civil war in Donbass itself, the current authorities are trying to justify precisely by oppressing the "indigenous people of Ukraine", which allegedly lasted hundreds of years.

Zelensky, impressed by this argumentation, it turns out, defined himself in the caste of second-class people who have fewer rights than the "indigenous" - he comes from Krivoy Rog, the city that was built by the Russian empress, according to the current Kiev standards of the "occupant", not otherwise, well, the Jewish blood of the current president of Ukraine, it turns out, also does not attract the "root blood".

“What we see today in textbooks for secondary schools is a falsification, a scam, they overturn our current concepts and terms and our present perception into the past and create a narrative that does not exist. All these stories about Rus-Ukraine, about the Ukrainian land, which almost Ptolemy the Greek depicted in its present outlines. And there was no Ukraine, and there were no Ukrainians. And there was no such people, and such a concept, this is an increasingly late thing, ”says the academician of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, director of the Institute of Archeology of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine Petro Tolochko.

... The oligarchs who rule the impoverished country have relied on the most vulgar political technology of radical nationalism. Proceeding from the thesis: since the Ukrainian state has been formed, then it is necessary to somehow create the Ukrainians, otherwise they very much resemble the Russians.

“What is written in these manuals? Chapter: "The expulsion of Napoleon's troops from Russia by Ukrainian regiments." For example, the patriotic work "Taras Bulba" is being translated into Russian. From there, not only all words with the root "rus" are thrown away, but the concept of such is thrown out in general, replaced by Ukrainian. It comes, you know, to idiocy. But this idiocy is understood by people of the older generations. They have something to compare, but the new generation, they get it from the very beginning, "- says the writer Sergei Sokurov.

Textbooks explaining that the Ukrainian people appeared on the planet even before the appearance of modern humans, long before the Cro-Magnons, that this people is 200 or 300 thousand years old, that it was the proto-ukry that taught mankind how to grow wheat and mint coins, are written for a pseudo-historical substantiation of the unconditional rights of the same "higher caste".

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2021-05-27/407244-na_ukraine_ne_stihayut_strasti_vokrug_skandalnogo_zakonoproekta_zelenskogo_o_korennyh_narodah

[APASUS]

Another highly publicized dead end!
Ukraine, as always, will want to conduct on its entire territory, including the DPR and LPR, and maybe also the Crimea.

[isv000]

In this case, Ze will sign his illegitimacy - neither there nor there they voted for him ...

[APASUS]

Quote: isv000

In this case, Ze will sign his illegitimacy - neither there nor there they voted for him.

Conscience or legitimacy for the presidents of Ukraine is just empty words!

[Cron]

In Ukraine, they continue to discuss the statement of President Volodymyr Zelensky on the possible holding of a referendum on the situation in Donbass.

Conduct a referendum on reunification with the Russian Federation. And it turns out that under the sworn dictators of the communists, there was an option to secede from the USSR, and under the bright-faced democrats, strictly territorial integrity, the bolt was put on the right of peoples to self-determination.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Cron

Conduct a referendum on reunification with the Russian Federation.

the results will be negative. Well, perhaps if the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation is (there they will simply draw the necessary one) But if the honest and open, then the majority will say NO.
The reasons are commonplace. War, 13,22% of territories, an impartial image of the Russian Federation, incitement to hatred of Ukrainians in Russian society, etc.
In the Russian Federation, it is now unattractive for all projects of unions and associations. It is necessary, as in the novel Peter 1. To start from Moscow ... (so that the cannon fired here, it must be charged in Moscow) to rebuild the country. although this is extremism under the new laws ..

[Cron]

Quote: Black Lotos

the results will be negative.

Well, this is understandable, I saw how the herd was settling on the street, and immediately realized that this was the very people. And you can immediately measure everything by eye, everyone would have such abilities.

The reasons are commonplace. War, 13,22% of territories, an impartial image of the Russian Federation, incitement to hatred of Ukrainians in Russian society, etc.

So I'm talking about joining Russia, where is only the opinion of the Seluk? These are understandable that they will never stop, Western Ukraine will remain for them

hard-hitting image of the Russian Federation

Oh, this "disagreeable" image of the EU

In the Russian Federation, it is now unattractive for all projects of unions and associations, as in the novel Peter 1.

Oh, this "multi-attractive" EU

To start from Moscow ... (so that the cannon fires here, it must be loaded in Moscow) to build the country anew.

It was rebuilt already in the 90s, enough for everyone. There have never been such hands-on hands in history.

although this is extremism under the new laws ..

Well, go to Ukraine. There are also sanctions against their own citizens without trial and investigation, only by the decision of the NSDC and the autograph of the president. And treason for speaking out and not accepting the direction of the state's course

[Black lotos]

Quote: Cron

Well, this is understandable, I saw a herd grazing on the street, and immediately realized that this was the very people.

all who have the right to vote vote. Democracy is all the same. (sometimes even death does not exempt from this )

Quote: Cron

So I'm talking about joining Russia, where is only the opinion of the Seluk? These are understandable that they will never stop, Western Ukraine will remain for them

the bulk of those opposed to this is just Russian-speaking. Western Ukraine is small and has always been ignored by its opinion as an electorate. The center and southeast are the most densely populated.
If earlier Russia was really the center of gravity for both Ukrainians and others. Now no.
There is nothing trite to offer. And buying loyalty is stupid. We need soft power, but in Moscow they do not know how and do not want to.

Quote: Cron

Oh, this "multi-attractive" EU

the picture of the EU is much more attractive in everything than in the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Otherwise, they would not strive to go there as in the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

Quote: Cron

It was rebuilt already in the 90s, enough for everyone. There have never been such hands-on hands in history.

the development process must not stop. Stop is death. Stagnation is death. Any regression is death.
Only forward movement.

Quote: Cron

Well, go to Ukraine. There are also sanctions against their own citizens without trial and investigation, only by the decision of the NSDC and the autograph of the president. And treason for speaking out and not accepting the direction of the state's course

Kiev NSDC uses only for prominent people. For ordinary people, it is too luxurious.
Well, in Ukraine, the war, under it can. And they do. This is yes, although this did not stop one and a half million Russians from visiting Ukraine in the pre-2019 year. However, with closed borders in 2020, in only 9 months, there were also 311 thousand Russians (data from Ukrainians, and Russian data for something else - 1 314 879 trips, all non-tourist, almost half in the first quarter)
I have not seen any inflated cases of their detention and arrest.

[Cron]

all who have the right to vote vote. Democracy is all the same. (sometimes even death does not exempt from this laughing)

So let me vote, what's stopping you? Even the constitution of Ukraine allows it.

the bulk of those opposed to this is just Russian-speaking. Western Ukraine is small and has always been ignored by its opinion as an electorate.

Well, don't tell these fairy tales, why? Anything small, it usually stinks a lot. That in 2004, that in 2014. It does not matter how the people vote, it is important who will take the square and show the picture.

the picture of the EU is much more attractive in everything than in the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Otherwise, they would not strive to go there as in the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

Iiii? And what of this picture? Here, purely in physical terms, and not in terms of a sick imagination, that you will be paid for a beautiful life. Yes, there was a freebie at one time, for economic and political reasons, but now everything, all the seats are taken according to the purchased tickets. Further, only the opening of new markets for themselves, and not charity.

Look here. After the unification of Germany, the population on the territory of the former GDR "ate" 1.3 trillion euros more than it produced, and this was already in the year 2009. Of course, they made a mistake there, but Ukraine, you can be sure, has already done the same several times. And for all this, the Germans of the former West Germany paid the solidarity tax.
Об этом еще на DW писали. Вот для прочтения: https://www.dw.com/ru/%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8C-%D0%B2-13-%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE/a-4869849
And this despite the fact that the population there was under 16,5 million. And you can’t even imagine what the adventure with the 40 million-strong state will result in. And you may not even hope for help
which Poland received. Just get it out of your head. They even offered Azarov some crumbs, but without any guarantees, and after that they decided to take it by force.

So, do you really think that the Ukrainians have seriously surrendered to someone? When the market is already overproduction and everyone is looking for new sales markets? Do you seriously, like naive children, believe that someone will give you money to improve the economy? Do you think it is in their best interest to raise another competitor? Are you that naive? You live in the world of pink ponies, where everyone wants to help each other. Who will give Ukraine that kind of money? Even those more than 100 billion were not given, which Azarov asked. And these were just expenses for the modernization of enterprises, the transition to new standards, documentation, etc. Just so as not to bend right after the signing of the association. ASSOCIATIONS - I will even single out. And then many, and it is not necessary to assert the opposite, thought it almost the same as joining the EU, or at least a very close prospect. No, guys))) No, it's not about that at all. This is purely for an illiterate public. And many
referred to the experience of other countries. Only here is the experience of the experience of strife. It's one thing when your government signs documents in the interests of your state, being able to defend the same
interests, and the other is when such events, one might say fateful for the country, are pushed through the street. In one case, a competent policy, and in the other, they push
legs, elementary without reading the documents that are going to sign. And in the latter case, no one will stand on ceremony with you, and rest assured, you will be fucked to the fullest.

Quote: Black Lotos

the development process must not stop. Stop is death. Stagnation is death. Any regression is death.
Only forward movement.

You talk a lot about development, only moving forward, but where can people move who just jump for something they haven't read? Such suckers are only created to be bred.
Isn't that so? Is it a person who just compared the standard of living in his country, and for example in the EU, someone went on his own, many through the monitor, unless that's just because of this
can they consider themselves smarter? People who are moving towards progress? Well, yes, he just voiced the fact that people live more prosperously, and laws work better, and
the infrastructure is better, etc. But then what? What does this information give? The fact that you can now be bred as the last ....?
And in order to make progress, you need to be able to use your brain and read what is written. By the time I started to study this, the translation into Russian was half ready.
... This I will notice is not an official translation. For there was at least Greek, though Estonian, but there was no Russian. And the text there is already quite complicated to parse it in the English version, but maybe it's me personally.
So if all these bawlers first read and then shouted in the squares, then this nonsense would not come to them, for example: "Yatsenyuk demands to reduce gas tariffs by 30%"
https://www.unian.net/politics/864664-yatsenyuk-trebuet-snijeniya-tarifov-dlya-naseleniya-na-gaz.html
And they would have booed him, because he is lying and after the signing the prices would have risen significantly. What now isn't it? If the previous government raised tariffs by literally a few kopecks, and this was the case, in my opinion gas then cost more than 70 kopecks, then after signing the prices would have gone up. For it says that tariffs must now be regulated by the market. Although
here you need to have more extensive knowledge in order to understand that they will definitely not become lower. At least the prices in the payment system and in the market)) For low tariffs, low labor costs, coupled with access to the European market
will lead to the arrival of European companies in this country, which will begin to receive income to the detriment of their citizens and will deprive those of jobs. And I'm not talking about the quotas that were
installed, more of which cannot be exported. They protected their citizens there to the smallest detail.
Even after the protests against the increase in tariffs, when the Cabinet of Ministers fixed the gas price for a couple of months, there was anger from the EU. For they signed completely under
to others, and the authorities have no right to do so. They violate the agreement, thereby violating the foundations of equal treatment and non-discrimination. Under which we subscribed. But so far they are being given concessions.
The same thing happened when trying to support the domestic engineering industry. The same non-discrimination and equal treatment. For there are clearly stated conditions for localization, etc.
And what do we have ?:
- According to technical norms and standards, we have a complete failure, because no one has given money for modernization, etc. To put it simply, a corpse. For example, the organization of the SQM quality management system at the enterprise requires a lot of money. And so you will get a discrepancy between the goods and technical quality standards. And what did they want, did they sign themselves? And it turns out that no one gave money for modernization, the Ukrainian market was flooded with European goods. And so go and compete. Here is such a progress.
- According to quotas and restrictions, fail again, because everything is strictly fixed
- At tariffs, the cost of which makes the products produced by Ukraine uncompetitive. For here you get expensive and of poor quality. In Europe, the quality is, well, maybe you will overpay a little
Or else they can launch their own anti-dumping duty mechanism. When even the value of the goods is calculated taking into account the wages of a European worker, not a Ukrainian. Otherwise it will be considered unfair competition.

And so on down the list. Personally, I did not see any progress in these documents, etc.
Can they throw handouts and loans against loans? Yes. But again, under the reforms they need, laws, people in the Supervisory Councils, etc.
It is even stupid to compare what Poland's conditions were, both access to markets and gratuitous aid in the form of large sums. It will return everything in the country, and it will also open its market (la)

Kiev NSDC uses only for prominent people. For ordinary people, it is too luxurious.
Well, in Ukraine, the war, under it can. And they do. This is true, although this did not stop one and a half million Russians from visiting Ukraine in the pre-2019 year. However, with borders closed in 2020, in only 9 months, there are also 311 thousand Russians.
I have not seen any inflated cases of their detention and arrest.

I didn't write anything about ordinary people. You, apparently, are not reading carefully. Well, of course they do, but what's wrong with that? Where do you want to put the family roots of many generations? It used to be
in general, there was one country. And they gave out a bunch of passports.

War is just a convenient excuse to lead the population by the nose. If you read the documents, everything is pretty regrettable there. If Ukraine was needed, they would have long ago pushed through the implementation of the Minskers and integrated the Donbass, because Russia does not need it. And then they filled up with money and made a second Poland. But in fact, we see they needed a market, a fairly skilled labor force, a confrontation with Russia, etc.

And then we wake up and see a bunch of unresolved problems in different Spain, Italy, Greece, etc. And we understand that no one cares. That's about how it was with vaccines. You can, go buy, punch. No, then don't get in the way and don't beg for help.

Do you want to live like in Europe? Then learn the language and go there to work and study. Well, this is so as not to break off and not break off the life of others. To jump for something that I have not read, looking at beautiful pictures, well, such a thing.
Or turn on your head in your country and try to change it. But that's a completely different story. It has nothing to do with walking in the squares

Good luck, I'm ending here

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Black Lotos

the results will be negative. Well, perhaps if the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation is (there they will simply draw the necessary one) But if the honest and open, then the majority will say NO.
The reasons are commonplace. War, 13,22% of territories, an impartial image of the Russian Federation, incitement to hatred of Ukrainians in Russian society, etc.
..

But workers who go to work - to the East from Ukraine, how will they vote?
If unequivocally against ...
Then close the border.

[Black lotos]

Quote: cat Rusich

But the migrant workers who go to work - to the east of Ukraine, how will they vote?
If unequivocally against ...
Then close the border.

a referendum is not a tool for revealing such preferences.
In addition, the main representatives of the "migrant workers" now are representatives of the LPNR, here the diversity of opinions about Ukraine itself and Russia too ... and the possibility of their participation in the referendum is also questionable. It will be difficult for them, but having a passport and a controlled area is quite possible. If they do not first close the line of demarcation, they regularly vote from the "republics" at polling stations outside the LPR. In this way the elections are also influenced.
By the way, the workers themselves in the Russian Federation will vote badly even if they wish. It is necessary to go to the consulate, far, expensive and no time.

[isv000]

Zelensky's office tried to bring specifics to the president's statement

Golden words have been spoken!