The American army will appreciate the new howitzer based on the Humvee

The US Army has signed a contract with AM General for the supply of two Humvee 2-CT Hawkeye mobile howitzer systems. In 2022, it is planned to conduct tests of a new product and, based on their results, assess the possibilities of its operation in the ranks of the American troops.

The Humvee 2-CT is a two-door M1152 with a standard gross weight of 6 tonnes and 4 hp. and anti-lock braking system (ABS).

The integration of "soft recoil technology" (SRT) is envisaged. SRT is a breakthrough technology that will reduce the combat load on direct and indirect fire systems without sacrificing their power.

- explains the manufacturer.

As indicated, the use of SRT can reduce the total weight of the artillery system and increase its maneuverability and combat effectiveness.

The technology is already ready and can be deployed on existing weapon platforms

- stated in AM General.

At the same time, the British military intend to observe the course of testing of mobile howitzers in the United States. They are going to decommission the AS-2030 self-propelled gun, which was put into service in the early 90s, in 1990. Initially, the British army operated 179 of these systems, but by 2017 their number was reduced to 110. At the moment, it has not yet been decided on which base the new howitzer will be located - wheeled or tracked.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Hmm. And in which link will this system participate?
Or, as separate units in the counter-guerrilla struggle?

[URAL72]

They can be a good addition to the 120mm brigade "link" mortars. And in a local conflict they have no value. D-30 are already morally outdated, and sometimes, like the "Carnation" 122mm, this is redundant.

[hirurg]

Can you not confuse mortars and howitzers?
On such a chassis, it is not a howitzer.
And they load the shells.
Well, for the death row will go.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: hirurg

Can you not confuse mortars and howitzers?

I agree with this opinion. Apparently, this is a low-ballistic weapon of the type of our 100-mm 2A70, which is on the BMP-3.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Mortar, cannon, howitzer are various artillery systems.

We are in the know. Have you ever seen a howitzer shoot? Several times I was on the battery during live firing. An acquaintance of mine, the battery commander (D-30 howitzer, caliber 122mm), said that he fired only once with a full charge of the howitzer (the village of Bakharak), after which glass flew out throughout the village. This is a howitzer. And what stands on the Hamer, and even does without a muzzle brake, cannot be a howitzer.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Bad_gr

after which the windows flew out in the whole village.

This is logic! If it does not "bang" loudly and does not break glass everywhere, then this is not a howitzer! Bravo!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

This is logic! If it does not "bang" loudly and does not break glass everywhere, then this is not a howitzer!

I wanted to explain it in a simpler way, more understandable for those people who cannot understand from the trunk what it is.

[Victor Tsenin]

What about Nona-gun-howitzer-mortar?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

For the BMP-3, the recoil reduction system with the possibility of increasing the power of the gun would just do the trick.

[hirurg]

Yes, not in any.
The caliber and range of the system will be inferior to the towed artillery.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And in which link will this system participate?

In light brigades, possibly the ILC. Now only 105-mm guns remain there. It is logical to replace them on the road. The current composition of the brigade's strike assets:
six 155-mm M777 and 12 105-mm towed howitzers M119, 48 mortars of various calibers, 36 self-propelled ATGM TOW-2 and 100 portable ATGM

[lynnot]

It's cool that this thing in the video is firing a bullet with imaginary charges. With real shooting from these openers, there will be no sense of support. If anyone heard, 90 mm M56 Scorpion bounced when fired at 1.5 m

[knn54]

They have been "meditating" for a long time - they were first introduced to the people 10 years ago.
They have not even decided yet whether the base is wheel or tracked.
Judging by the British guests, the focus will be (mostly) on the overseas buyer.
PS Quietly (along with ammunition) fits into the C-130 Hercules.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

What is the principle of this "soft-kickback technology"? It is not clear from the note. M. b. who will explain more clearly, but also easier.

[Victor Tsenin]

In the photo, a lot of pipes go into the casing around the barrel. So it could be an adjustable hydraulic anti-rollback damper.

[novel66]

elements of dynamo-jet technology, no longer because of what

[The leader of the Redskins]

Unlikely. Dynamo reactive, this is "no recoil". But there is no fiery trail behind ...

[Reviews]

Quote: novel xnumx

elements of dynamo-jet technology, no longer because of what

The DRP has a nozzle "funnel" behind.
Something like that.

[garri-lin]

Probably wrong but preliminary roll-forward. The shot occurs at the moment the barrel moves forward. This takes up some of the recoil energy. But maybe I'm wrong.

[OgnennyiKotik]

You are not mistaken.

The essence of the technology lies in the fact that the rolling back parts of the gun are given a counter acceleration immediately before the ignition of the powder charges. Thanks to this, the recoil energy can be reduced by about 50 percent. In turn, this leads to a decrease in the load on the gun carriage through the trunnions, allowing the developers to significantly reduce the weight of the artillery system in comparison with ordinary versions of towed howitzers of the same caliber, but with a full recoil of the barrel.

[garri-lin]

So sclerosis did not disappoint. Thank you.

[rocket757]

Interestingly, it has already been written here more than once that barrel artillery is already everything, like tanks, something else! And there will be only drones, drones ... and button presses, away from the battlefield.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The requirements for artillery are changing, it is necessary to be even more accurate and maneuverable. The required quantity is decreasing, but artillery in any case remains the main strike weapon. A light reconnaissance drone combined with artillery is very scary.

[rocket757]

Well, yes, one complements the other ... the normal, defensible approach.

[Sands Careers General]

Lightweight mobile gun mount. Well, I don’t know, you can drive the Papuans by loading guided projectiles.

But in essence it is a shahid-mobile.
And by the way, why Humvee and not Oshkosh?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

And by the way, why Humvee and not Oshkosh?

Weight. You need a Chinook to lift. The Humvee has 4,4 tons, there is a reserve for the crew and some kind of BC.
Only the weight of the L-ATV is ~ 6,4 tons + the gun + additional equipment will come out 8 ~ 9 tons. This is already the limiting weight without stock.

[Sands Careers General]

All their problems cling to one another))
Because this and because this))
And in fact what? Zilch?

[Alex_Rarog]

Neither hummingbird nor characteristics ... the article is not about anything.

[dgonni]

As always, there is no performance characteristics of the system.
Caliber 105mm.
If they solve the problem with recoil and accuracy on a weak platform. That is a strong mobile complex.
Although from experience?
The 105mm humvi is unlikely to pull in terms of recoil.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: dgonni

If they solve the problem with recoil and accuracy on a weak platform.

Already solved, this problem is not worth a damn. This system is ten years old. At least look at two videos in the discussion.

[garri-lin]

This is how the concept of the gorse of a healthy person looks like.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

What's wrong with the original gorse?

[garri-lin]

A huge expensive machine and a small gun caliber. Cost / efficiency.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

There is also a Highlander. Will this option work?

[garri-lin]

For 82 mm? Massive cheap chassis. Work correctly with the Tiger. Save the MSA and other stuffing from the Gorse. Give up the breech-loading gun. A conventional mortar lowered hydraulically to the ground. Charge manually but without leaving the armor. Deployment time can be increased to 20 seconds. Collapses 10.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: garri-lin

healthy person gorse concept.

I disagree. Completely different machines for different tasks. The gorse is the correct and necessary machine, but there is hardly any money for it.

[garri-lin]

It is a huge minus in the high price. 82mm should be massive. Thousands of them are needed. Even as perfect as on Drok. And the high price of the chassis will not make it easy to make it massive. Well, I don't believe in the cross-country ability of a 14+ ton, two-axle truck. The gun itself on a Tiger-type chassis would have looked more logical.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This concept is more suitable for the rapid-fire "Cornflower", and not for the "Gorse". This is where more portability and faster deployment times come into play. Cornflower cannot be placed in the tower, for it such a chassis and with drives is a suitable upgrade option.

[garri-lin]

Cornflower on the Tiger? BC will be small.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You can not go to the Tiger, but to the Tiger. Install "Cornflower" on a 4-wheeled chassis of the type of the C-60 anti-aircraft gun, equip with armored shields, electric guidance drives from a tractor or an additional power plant, then the ammunition can be placed in the tractor itself. A mortar equipped with drives with an additional power plant can be separately used at outposts using remote guidance from some dugout.

[garri-lin]

He seems to be with wheels. And on a 4-wheeled chassis, it will lose mobility. You don't talk about the virgin soil by hand.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

On virgin soil, a 600-kilogram mortar can only be pushed in theory. And in mobility, he will not lose, but will win, it will become possible to fire immediately after stopping and without preparation if necessary. If desired, a 4-wheeled vehicle can even be made self-propelled, as anti-tank artillery guns were previously equipped.

[garri-lin]

Immediately after stopping the fire will obviously not work. The installation will at least need to be exposed to the horizon.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

A single mine, with automated drives, can be sent without any installation into the horizon. Even the artillery S-60 allowed such an emergency.

[garri-lin]

What will be the accuracy? Vasilko's case is to bombard the target with mines in a short period of time.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

That's when it will be necessary to fall asleep with mines, then the trailer will be lowered to the ground, and in an accelerated manner, a single one can be done without special preparation. They put Vasilek on a car chassis and it did not fall apart from a single shot.
A similar mortar is going to be installed in the USA both on a car and on a trailer.

[Gippo]

It seemed to me alone that the barrel moves forward before the shot?
One of the original factors in reducing recoil, but what about accuracy?

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Gippo

It seemed to me alone that the barrel moves forward before the shot?
One of the original factors in reducing recoil, but what about accuracy?

The speed of movement of the barrel forward at the time of the shot obviously adds additional speed to the ammunition.
But the speeds are not commensurable, and besides, the accuracy should be influenced by the deviation of the barrel speed from the average value.
And this value is even less.

Surely there is an adjustable ammunition for this caliber.
Where accuracy is needed and from the first shot, they will use it. On such a Humvee, a large ammunition load cannot be taken away.
It looks like it is sharpened for drg or mobile group actions. We arrived, received target designation, fired several shots, hit something important and knocked down.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Pandiurin

On such a Humvee, a large ammunition load cannot be taken away.

There are actually 2 of them. 1 with a gun, 2 with shells. Why is the movement of the barrel forward and for whom this howitzer is written above.

[Vladimir Lenin]

Quote: URAL72

122mm is redundant

I remember that the 105 mm caliber did not take root in the Russian army due to the weakness of the high-explosive action. At the test site, they could not destroy the usual "blocked gap in two rolls", but 122 mm, left a deep funnel!

[anzar]

In general, @bische has something else.

Hmm, here's the Chinese counterpart

[Operator]

See my comment below.

[Azimuth]

No, a little past, the Chinese have another 122mm self-propelled gun based on the chassis of the local analogue of the Hammer. Only the Chinese comrades added another rear axle to their SPG.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Is the 105mm howitzer so bad? What about the projectile trajectory, range, projectile flight speed, projectile kinetic energy, penetration ability?

[Operator]

The firing range of a 105-mm howitzer is 1,4 times that of a 120-mm mortar, and this is its only advantage.
A howitzer projectile and an artillery mine are used to destroy manpower and defensive structures, therefore, the initial speed and kinetic energy of these striking elements are out of work. Their penetrating power in concrete-piercing equipment is determined by the mass of the explosive, which is 2 times greater for a mine.
The flatness of the howitzer's firing trajectory can be brought to 0 degrees in order to defeat the embrasures of pillboxes and bunkers, but now ATGMs and rocket-propelled grenades are used for such direct fire. And mortars with a steep trajectory of firing up to 85 degrees (compared to 45 degrees for a howitzer) in terms of destruction of trenches, nothing can replace.

[Azimuth]

Mortar and mines for it are relatively simpler and cheaper to manufacture and master. But the mortar does not have an accuracy comparable to a howitzer, especially at maximum firing ranges.
Rifled mortars, of course, have a fairly high accuracy, plus there are homing mines, for example, to destroy tanks and armored vehicles, there is a laser guidance system.
But once again, in general, the accuracy of the fire as a howitzer is certainly not, and the range, too.

[Azimuth]

She's not bad at all. The same is with our 122mm howitzer.

[Protos]

120mm

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Is the 105mm howitzer so bad? What about the projectile trajectory, range, projectile flight speed, projectile kinetic energy, penetration ability?

120mm mortar has less weight and more high-explosive effect.
Of the minuses, only a slightly smaller range and accuracy of fire!

[sen]

Our answer is to install the Lotus weapon in a similar way.
Can be used, in particular, for counter-mortar shooting.
Sort of:
http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren21/kbb.doc

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

So the sample is already ready, this is "Phlox". But there will be no counter-mortar fire, for this there are long-range howitzers.