The web has compared the skill of the American aerobatic team Blue Angels with the skill of Russian air groups

A video of the flight of the American aerobatic team of the US Navy Blue Angels appeared on the Web, which caused a comparison of the aerobatic skills of the Americans with the Russian aerobatic teams. A video with the performance of the aerobatic figure "Brilliant 360" was put up for discussion.

The video in question was posted on the Fighterbomber portal. The video description states that the distance between the planes of the aerobatic team during the execution of the "Diamond 360" figure is only 30-40 cm, and only this aerobatic team performs it. At least, it is claimed, "no one else flies" at that distance.

This allegation sparked controversy over the Russian aerobatic teams "Russian Knights" flying the Su-30SM and Su-35S and the "Swifts" flying the MiG-29. If you do not take into account the statements of Ukrainian trolls like: "Russians do not know anything at all," the majority opinion is inclined to believe that comparing the skill of American pilots and Russian pilots is not entirely ethical, since aerobatic teams have different planes and different figures that they show in their programs.

The US Navy Blue Angels Demonstration Squadron has been in existence since 1946 and is the oldest demonstration aerobatic group in the United States Army. From 1986 to 2018, the group used F / A-18 Hornet aircraft (in modifications A, B, C and D), after which they switched to F / A-18E / F Super Hornets. Of these, nine singles and two doubles. All aircraft have been specially upgraded to meet the requirements of the aerobatic team.

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[credo]

We have long suspected that there are also aces among the Americans.
So what a friendship

[Sands Careers General]

Namely Assy?))
I completely agree))

[den3080]

Quote: Sands Career General

Namely Assy?))
I completely agree))

the difference between "ace" and "ass" is really small
only two letters

[Finches]

It is more dear to befriend the Anglo-Saxons, firstly, the Anglo-Saxons do not have friends, but there are partners, at least with whom it is beneficial to communicate, or the six-devil-chosen nation of the Anglo-Saxons considers friendship an unnatural phenomenon to pragmatism! Suvorov's narrative: "Die yourself, but help your comrade", for them an incomprehensible set of letters - "Save your ass no matter what!" - this is the slogan of the Anglo-Saxons, and the Blue Angels are their sacred essence, opposed to the true Christian values! Their ases learn to kill "I am now an executioner, not a pilot!", and ours hone their skills to protect! There is a very big difference in the paradigm of the military profession!

"I am the 13th!" -a voice on the air, -
"There are 13 of them, well, what the hell !!!
I'm the only one in the world
Friends with God! "Dashing reversal,
“I'm attacking!” And the tracks stuck
Straight to the Junkers, to the left motor,
"I'm attacking !!!" And the Fritzes got mad,
Turning the sky into a fire
Trails! Trails !!! Blow and flash
"How painful it is !!!" Fast and furious and crosses
And desperately, "both are covered !!!
To God, together you and me !!! "

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Finches

Their aces learn to kill "I am now an executioner, not a pilot!", And ours hone their skills to protect! There is a very big difference in the paradigm of the military profession!

And they also have no valiant scouts, only filthy spies ...

[Finches]

They do not have spirituality and universal human ideals, but of course there are professionals ... The devil does not charter fools!

[out of habit]

And which countries profess universal human ideals? Announce the entire list, please.
Of course, apart from our great, beautiful Russia.

[Finches]

The main thing here is that the Anglo-Saxons do not have them at all!

[out of habit]

So I am about it! They have some mysterious "European values", which are apparently measured in y / e. But for some reason it is implied that ideals, that is, justice, equality, etc., are only with us, the Orthodox (forgive me God).

[Petrik66]

Our Russia will move to another dimension, and all of you will simply die.

[MSG363]

Well, the Americans in words and profess. Haven't you heard? And NATO is all the same. Methods, execution, result is another matter, and the very purpose for which this is all done

[Terran ghost]

Suvorov's narrative: "Die yourself, but help your comrade", for them an incomprehensible set of letters - "Save your ass no matter what!"

Proofs for such a "bold", but in fact - just a false statement, of course, will not be?
But at least two proofs of the exact opposite are found, as they say, right off the bat.
Australian Army Corporal Leslie Allen. On July 30, 1943, he carried 12 Allied soldiers out of enemy fire.
US Army Medical Corps, Corporal Desmond Doss. During the battle for Okinawa, under enemy fire, he assisted the wounded soldiers of the American army and took them to safety.

[Finches]

Some people have it, and this is normal, but in general, an ethnic group does not! What is the problem then?

[Terran ghost]

Hmm. As I understand it, you, most likely, are among those who, according to Boris Strugatsky, "write down whole peoples with extraordinary ease as scoundrels, or fools, or bandits" (c)?
That's just ... maybe, before looking for a speck in someone else's eye, it would be worthwhile to first see if there is a whole log in yours? ;)

[Finches]

I judge through the prism of historical events and deeds of peoples! As well as those goals and objectives that they set and pose for themselves!

[Letun]

Quote: Finches

Some people have it, and this is normal, but in general, an ethnic group does not! What is the problem then?

The problem is that 80 years ago, a certain uncle with the same point of view and a small mustache attacked our country. Then this ideology was called fascism. Well, by the same token, when their nation is considered great, and the rest are not ...

[MSG363]

Why don't you bring the same thing in our army? There, in general, the girls dragged, and in large quantities. And the fact that the men were dragging their wounded man was generally taken for granted. Or is it not interesting and familiar to remember ours?

[Finches]

Are you talking to me?? Then on to you!

[Real Pilot]

Who painted better pictures, Dali or Picasso? Here at the connoisseur!
And some will say that all this is not suitable for Rembrandt ...
At the same time, each worked in his own technique, paints of different chemical composition, at different times, and also for people from their countries, in a changing fashion.

Flight schools are different, aircraft differ greatly. And there is a "handwriting", a unique style!
Each aerobatic team has its own famous figures that look like paintings. They can be repeated if you set a goal. I'm sure that both our and American aerobatics fly off programs of any given complexity ... Or maybe together, if necessary.

But let's remember that aerobatics is a show, and airplanes with pilots are actors in the theater, dancers in the sky. And as everyone dances in their own way, so they fly uniquely ...

Drone shows have become popular among the Chinese ... Everything is unusual there too. Fashion does not stand still, people want to be surprised and pleased. And for this purpose, the approach must be creative!

[Lisiy Prapor]

Quote: RealPilot

Who painted better pictures, Dali or Picasso? Here at the connoisseur!

Well, this is understandable to everyone who has seen these pictures. Although Dali was a drug addict, he tried, and Picasso seemed to hold a brush with his anus (although I was not present, maybe it was)

[Murmur 55]

Who painted better pictures? Shishkin, Aivazovsky, Repin.

[MSG363]

You understand what the matter is, the tasks and purpose of the application, the peculiarities of the mentality of the pilots do not hack their own peculiarities in tactics and the manner of piloting. Therefore, even aircraft of the same type can show different results depending on the piloting style and the moral and psychological state of the pilots.

[BABAY22]

Such friends
per @@@
yes to the museum

[Prisoner]

So it seems like when the drunk EBN "made friends". Did not like.

[Murmur 55]

They were so "friends" that they were almost without a country.

[knn54]

Deadly dangerous work, regardless of the nationality of the pilot or the model of the aircraft, and the viewer (remember Ukraine) is also at risk.
So what COURAGE.

[Alex_You]

If you do not take into account the statements of Ukrainian trolls like: "Russians do not know anything at all," the majority opinion is inclined to believe that comparing the skill of American pilots and Russian pilots is not entirely ethical, since aerobatic teams have different planes and different figures that they show in their programs.

What is the article about? Is this a "discussion" under the video on YouTube or what? Give at least a link to the video itself.

[Rusticolus]

Judging by the video there is clearly more than a meter, but rather two. What 30cm to talk about However, the Americans and without lies, these are not Americans.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Rusticolus

Judging by the video there is clearly more than a meter, but rather two. What 30cm to talk about However, the Americans and without lies, these are not Americans.

Or maybe "lies" are superfluous here

[sabakina]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Quote: Rusticolus

Judging by the video there is clearly more than a meter, but rather two. What 30cm to talk about However, the Americans and without lies, these are not Americans.

Or maybe "lies" are superfluous here

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Quote: Rusticolus

Judging by the video there is clearly more than a meter, but rather two. What 30cm to talk about However, the Americans and without lies, these are not Americans.

Or maybe "lies" are superfluous here

[lynnot]

Much in the visual perception of the plot depends on the panorama and the shooting angle chosen by the operator. Once upon a time, combined shooting began with this, which was replaced by computer graphics ...

[kventinasd]

Well, let at least one American pilot repeat at least half of what this master does.

[nemar7106]

Will not repeat, because the MiG has a variable thrust vector, the F 18 does not have this, although their planes are specially prepared for the aerobatic team, we have "combat" planes. And I have one indicator Su30 "peeks" in IL76, NOBODY could repeat this !!! Although the Su 30 were piloted by simple combat pilots!

[region58]

Quote: nemar7106

NOBODY could repeat this !!!

Although, of course, compared to ours, it will be smaller ...

[nemar7106]

Sorry, this is not a repetition of OUR SU 30, not a single frame does not show the shutters of the transporter and the nose of the aircraft in it, all the frames of the aircraft are "zoomed in" by the lenses, i.e. cannot be compared with any object, how close they are to the aircraft ... Second, the "propeller" transport aircraft, that is, the flight speed at a given altitude is still less than jet kilometers by 200 - 300 km / h, which simplifies the flight of a fighter ... and see ours will climb "nose" into the plane, the upper part of the Il 76 hangs over the plane ...

[Normal]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Or maybe "lies" are superfluous here

Sure. Without a doubt, adversaries know how to fly. They know how to shoot even better. The videos are certainly cool. But I still prefer not the military air ballet, but this

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Normal

military air ballet

And then there is no ballet and the pilot is not from the aerobatic team.

[Normal]

Yes, this is no longer ballet, this is aerobatics. In a very difficult air flow from the transporter.
Class!

[poquello]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Or maybe "lies" are superfluous here

in your case, it's not superfluous, just look at the diamond, against its background it is a stunt craft

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Rusticolus

Judging by the video there is clearly more than a meter

Interestingly, and here how much to the ground?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Rusticolus

Judging by the video there is clearly more than a meter, but rather two. What 30cm to talk about However, the Americans and without lies, these are not Americans.

What a lie? What are you talking about?
Not so long ago I watched a story as an American veteran told how he fought in Vietnam in an F-8.
There, along the way, his partner got engine damage and could not pull to the base. Then this grandfather, don't be a fool, inserted the nose of his fighter into the tail of his partner and so pushed him to the patrol zone of rescue helicopters and planes. There, the partner ejected, but the lines wound around his neck, and it was not possible to save him.
This episode was the final chord in a series of 5-6 episodes no weaker. And all in one departure!
For half an hour I sat in front of the TV with my mouth open and cried all the time ...
And you are there about some centimeters.

[lynnot]

Probably Hotheads! on these stories were based ...

[IL-18]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

There, the partner ejected, but the lines were wound around his neck, and it was not possible to save him

"If Karpukh had a friend, he would have confirmed" ©

[alexey sidykin]

The legend is fresh and hard to believe ... To listen to other fishermen, then all the catfish are pulled out at once

[JD1979]

Dude, we squeezed the video, how do you at least in DCS stay close to others when performing figures at a distance of at least 5 meters ok? And then throw it on the fan.

[Dmitriy444]

Pilots and those and our fellows! To whom something is not patriotic and not bravely, into the cockpit and show what you can.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Dmitriy444

Pilots and those and our fellows!

I had a chance to see the performances of many teams - Americans, Italians know how to keep the public's attention, as in the video for VanHalen. Russian groups - military equipment, heavy vehicles - cool.
Introduced in the left seat 737 one former Swift, there was a whole group of former fighters there, but this one of course devil on LDPE - just in front of the plane, it was boring to fly with a guy

[Normal]

F / A-18E / F Super Hornet - Normal Takeoff Weight: 21 320 kg
Su-30 - normal takeoff: 24 kg
Su-35 - normal takeoff weight 25 kg

It is clear that the maximum lightweight machines are used in the aerobatic teams. But ours are clearly heavier and therefore more difficult to manage.

MiG-29 - normal takeoff weight: 15180 kg. This one is easier.

But. In general, I am skeptical about the idea of ​​group aerobatics in close formation on combat fighters. This does not give anything in terms of combat training.
In the 30s "Chkalovskaya Five" amazed the imagination of the inhabitants at air parades. Of course, there were followers among the troops and it began ...
The war got rid of illusions and put everything in its place.

[Rusticolus]

This does not give anything in terms of combat training.

Actually it does. Piloting accuracy is very important when firing an air cannon. If the plane chatters, do not understand how and where, then you will not get into anything from the cannon.

[Normal]

Quote: Rusticolus

........ you can't get into anything from a cannon.

Are you a pilot?

[Rusticolus]

You don't have to be a pilot to understand that for an accurate shot you need to clearly control your weapon. Or do you think that the pilots are shooting ... somewhere around there.

[Normal]

I asked not to look stupid when arguing with a specialist.
About firing from an air cannon:
- "Pokryshkin was the author of unexpected and rapid attacks. Fighter pilot Sokolov, a fellow soldier in the first squadron, where the Siberian served, helped him in creating the theory of these attacks. It was there that the entry appeared in his diary:" The key to victory is maneuver and fire!
Successful skills in aerial shooting did not immediately come to Pokryshkin. He needed persistent training in towed cone shooting to understand the reasons for the poor shooting results. Again, there were calculations of trajectories, rate of fire, formulas, drawings and graphs were written. As a result - another entry in the diary: "Success depends on close range shooting".
"https://topwar.ru/71881-aleksandr-pokryshkin.html

[Rusticolus]

With regards to Pokryshkin, his calculations related more to the choice of a position for the fire. Actually, aiming accuracy is developed only by training, including such as on the roller. At least I don't know a quick way to learn how to aim accurately. Airplanes are even more difficult. There you have to aim at the moving mesh while you are in motion. And the more accurately and predictably you move, the clearer your "line", the more accurately you can aim. In fact, it is quite difficult to perform the turn as clearly as possible while maintaining the required trajectory. Especially taking into account external disturbances and the aircraft's own energy.

[Normal]

Quote: Rusticolus

his calculations were more about choosing a position for fire.

Which eliminated or compensated for the factors leading to a miss.

Quote: Rusticolus

At least I don't know a quick way to learn how to aim accurately.

It is impossible to hit while aiming, shoot offhand. The principle of instinctive shooting.

Quote: Rusticolus

Actually, aiming accuracy is developed only by training, including such as on the roller.

There is absolutely no connection between the performances of the aerobatic teams, group aerobatics in close formation and the accuracy of shooting in combat units.
With the same success it can be argued that this game of soldiers

increases the shooting and tactical training of troops.

Quote: Rusticolus

Airplanes are even more difficult. There you have to aim at the moving mesh while you are in motion. And the brighter you move accurately and predictably, the clearer your "line", the more accurately you can aim. In fact, it is quite difficult to perform the turn as clearly as possible while maintaining the required trajectory. Especially taking into account external disturbances and the aircraft's own energy.

So are you a pilot? Not? Then please leave your theoretical constructs for personal use. Don't put it out to the public.

[Revolver]

Nice, of course, but the guns look like toys. They would have tried this with real combat rifles of the 1891 model, infantry, not shortened dragoons, which were then modernized into a rifle of the 1891/1930 model. With those needle bayonets. I'm not even talking about the flint fusées of the times of Peter the Great with a caliber of 0,78 inches (19,81 mm).

[mmaxx]

Very clever comment.
Then give them stone axes. This kind of kung fu can be stirred up!

[IL-18]

SKS carbine. It differs from the usual only in varnish and belt. Training takes place with ordinary carbines, with which the soldiers serve and go on guard. And there is no need to hope that if you grow below 180, you will not be accepted into the PKK. By the way, the left flank of the last rank is also noticeable.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Nagan

I'm not even talking about the flint fusées of the times of Peter the Great with a 0,78 inch (19,81 mm) caliber.

With a machine gun Maxim would be even cooler ...

[boris epstein]

Why, then, are the US PILOT pilots whining about the unprofessionalism of the Russian PILOT pilots when they are kicked out of the Russian airspace? So they would show their skills.

[Sands Careers General]

Russia has been showing its skills in Syria for many years now, for example.
Well, or in Krasnodar, there are constantly military planes flying))

[alexey sidykin]

Not only, American pilots from Alaska complain about ours ... well, they say no, they are exhausted.

[hohohol]

But I like this video:

[Victorio]

Quote: hohohol

But I like this video:

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[Victorio]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Or maybe "lies" are superfluous here

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thanks, looked. 30-40 cm is still too much. and given the value of their (American) life, no one would allow them to take such a risk.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Victorio

30-40 cm is still too much. and given the value of their (American) life, no one would allow them to take such a risk.

Well, if they refused insurance (and no insurance company will insure such a flyer, or it will, but the amount there will be at least six zeros) - then let them fly.

[Prisoner]

Only professionals can give an assessment close to objective if they have such a desire. In other cases, "tastes differ". For me ours are always better, for most Americans they are better. The non-brothers' preferences are no surprise either. Some individuals from just one name of an American group can go into ecstasy.

[Normal ok]

The video is not informative. They gave me a small piece of aerobatics.

[Ugochaves]

Illiteracy is already off scale. Assy is a village in Bashkiria. An ace in our language is a high-level specialist in his field, or if you go deeper into mythology, then one of the supreme gods of the Scandinavians, which is written in Latin as ass, and in English means w ... a. There is also a pile of geographical names As.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

In general, "ace" came to the Russian language from French. "Ace" (ace of cards) the French called their best pilots in the First World War, from them and went everywhere. Considering that it was easy to kill on the then wood-flying machines without any fights at all, the pilots who shot down several dozen opponents and the survivors themselves were guys with real steel eggs and great skill. Unfortunately, the next war overshadowed their heroism and sent them deep into history to the hussars and musketeers.

[screw cutter]

If the cars have adaptive cruise control, then even more so on American specially sharpened aircraft for air shows. Who said that they should not automatically keep the distance? The Americans are masters of organizing a show, and not always by honest methods, recall the first tests of anti-aircraft missiles of the Aegis system, when a radio beacon was placed on the target rocket ...
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[BABAY22]

I wonder how the distance can be measured with an accuracy of less than 30 cm between several flying planes in order to enter data into the "autopilots". GPS does not have this accuracy, especially in three coordinates. And more ancient methods do not come close to giving 30 cm.

[Bez 310]

I don't know why, when discussing aerobatic teams, no one mentions the main difference. They're probably embarrassed ...
And the most important difference between our groups and the American one is that our aerobatics go only to civil aviation, and the accumulated experience is "poured into the toilet", while the American ones go to the troops, where they teach flight crews what they learned while working in a group.

[screw cutter]

Following your logic, an instructor pilot, this is a specialty that is taught separately in flight schools ... And they leave for transport and civilians because of their health, like my father in his time, from fighter pilots on Mi 8, after retraining, of course.

[Bez 310]

Quote: screw cutter

Following your logic

Following my logic, staying in the aerobatic team should not be eternal, until the DMB, but for 5-7 years, then these aerobatics should go to the troops and transfer their flight experience there.
"No guys, it's not like that!
It's not like that guys ... "
As they make pilots-instructors from yesterday's graduates, I know better than you, but I don't understand why you remembered this here. And you don't need to tell me about flight health, I served in aviation for 30 years.

[Vovk]

The US Navy Blue Angels do not fly combat F / A-18E / F Super Hornets ... to be clear, they fly lightweight, demilitarized aircraft - i.e. practically on sports jets.
Therefore, the comparison of "Russian Knights", "Swifts" flying on combat aircraft with Blue Angels flying not on combat aircraft is not correct in its essence.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Vovk

comparison of "Russian Knights", "Swifts" flying on combat aircraft with Blue Angels flying not on combat

If this is your answer to my comments, then I didn't even understand why you are comparing planes? After all, I am comparing the combat path of pilots, and this comparison is not in favor of our pilots.
The US pilots are returning to service, but ours are not ... I wonder why?

[Kisa]

flipped through the comments - so I understood everyone is flying on their fighter sofas. then I will turn to you - what is the criterion of skill for today? Well, roughly for a tanker, as I understood it here is to hit a brick from a kilometer ... for a pilot, is it the level of stuffing of equipment or man-hours, or ...?
I remember as a cadet in DVIMU I met a 35-year-old guy, some kind of cool military pilot and already retired !!! decided to start a new career as a sailor. told that they came from Iraq when the desert storm was campaigning for Saddam, promising fantastic numbers. but they were looking for only the 1st class, as it is measured there in the hours of the flight ... the couple remembered
and in the 90s, then kerosene was nowhere to be found and those specialists were on their fingers ... since then, in Nikolaevka in the Golden Valley, the military aviation has been lost ... tourists for money jumped with a parachute

[Bez 310]

Quote: kitty

what is the criterion of skill today?

This is a difficult question, and I have no definite answer. The fighters have their own criteria, and the anti-submarine warriors, who are still stationed in Nikolaevka, have their own criteria. I've been to Nikolaevka, I've been .... My brother served there.
I will tell you about the "class" - there are first-class pilots, and there are first-class pilots.

[tatarin1972]

Deciding who is cooler can only be during a battle, God forbid, of course.

[stas Sv]

I'm wondering if they have aerobatic teams consisting of different types of aircraft ??? The answer is obvious. And "Swifts" and "Knights" show real brilliance

[Herman 4223]

And for our pilots, special upgrades are not carried out. They fly in combat vehicles.
Only a little painted sometimes.

[Igor Pa]

Here is the key to success https://openmedia.io/news/n1/shojgu-pokazal-putinu-maket-muzeya-v-vide-ogromnoj-zvezdy-socseti-nazvali-eto-bolshim-zvizdecom/
And half of the country is drowning with wood.

[mmaxx]

And when Gagarin flew into space, ... in general, there was horror. Even half of Moscow was made of wood. We will not forget, we will not forgive!

[Igor Pa]

Your sarcasm is not entirely justified. When Gagarin flew, maybe all of Moscow was made of wood, I don't know that. But the fact that at that time half of the able-bodied youth did not dream of leaving the country for sure.
To inject millions, and maybe billions, into the stars instead of raising the prestige of the country for your youth, explain this to me!

[decimalegio]

Give me some pride in Frecce Tricolori.

[decimalegio]

Because we love to count centimeters. How close are they to the Swiss patrol?

[Victorio]

Quote: Decimalegio

Because we love to count centimeters. How close are they to the Swiss patrol?

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offhand, when compared with the figure of the pilot, then about a meter, maybe a little more

[Iris]

"Angels" are excellent aerobatic pilots, although personally I like "Petrel" more from American aerobatic teams. They fly on F-16s, minimally modified (with the gun removed), are part of the Air Force as an operational reserve unit.
Comparison with our aerobatic pilots, of course, is incorrect - different cars, different style of demonstration flights. It would be great to see them together in one festival ..

[decimalegio]

I agree, seeing all the aerobatic teams together would be a sight to behold. I think I know your avatar emblem

[Victor Gubankov]

I saw live performances of the Blue Angels and Russian Knights and Swifts. Ours are much more spectacular.

[mmaxx]

The skill of the aerobatic teams does not prove anything to anyone. It's like marching in parades. A spectacle.

[decimalegio]

how bad it is to enjoy a little show

[AC130 Gunship]

Saw Blue Angels on a show a few years ago. It is mesmerizing. Their C130 is especially impressive, taking off almost vertically with the help of 8 rocket engines on the fuselage ...

[Quzmi4]

It happened so in 1990 to watch with my own eyes the performance of "Angels" over Tushino in Moscow. A VERY tight formation in each formation (although not 30-40 cm of the interval-distance), that is, that is ... But - we went with a figure, and we managed to rebuild beyond the horizon, you can "smoke-recover")))))) ) "Knights", not to mention the lighter "Swifts", are ALWAYS in sight, which means that the show is more exciting according to the laws of the show)))))))))
At the "Swiss Patrol", estimate the difference in the size of the planes in the photo: one of them is much closer to us than the other; so there is also an additional distance between the flyers.

[Berg berg]

It is very correct to compare a three-wheeled bicycle with Kamaz and the skill of their driving! )))

[Phoenix]

Something I did not notice in the video 30-40 cm from each other, this is the first, the second are the planes prepared and specially modernized for the aerobatic team, ours, as far as I know, are simple ordinary military fighters without training (maybe I am wrong) and the figures are different, so who is there you?

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Both ours and the Americans love to troll each other "we fly in combat vehicles, maximum without a cannon, and you are completely converted." They both lie. It's like bodybuilders boast that everyone else is eating steroids, but we are pumped up on chicken breast. Send them to war - it will immediately turn out that when hanging missiles, these handsome men will fall off their wings.