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Chinese media: Russia will have a lighter "brother" of the fifth generation fighter Su-57

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The Chinese media began to publish materials dedicated to the statements of Russian representatives about the start of development in the Russian Federation of a promising new generation aircraft. A few days ago, data was published that work had begun on the creation of a light single-engine Russian fighter with a take-off weight of up to 18 tons and a speed of up to 2 M. Earlier, it was about plans to create for the Russian Aerospace Forces LMFS - a light multipurpose front-line aircraft.


In the Chinese edition of Sohu, material was released, which says that so far nothing has been said in Russia about the "stealth" characteristics of the promising aircraft. At the same time, it is noted that this multi-role fighter, "probably will receive them, otherwise it will not be attributed to the aircraft of the fifth generation."

These statements once again show how much attention is paid abroad to the "stealth" characteristics of modern fighters. At the same time, such an "enthusiastic" attitude to stealth parameters looks rather strange, given that, for example, the Chinese J-20 was spotted by the Indian Air Force Su-30MKI fighter's radar - the "stealth" characteristics did not help him much.

In Sohu:

It can be stated that Russia will have a second new-generation aircraft if all parameters meet the necessary requirements. It will become a lighter "brother" of the Su-57, the maximum take-off weight of which, based on open sources, is about 35 tons. The newest Russian fighter will be twice as light, and, of course, it will solve other problems.

The Chinese edition indicates that as a result, the single-engine Russian combat aircraft will not have the versatility that "they are going to endow the Su-57." This refers, among other things, to the Su-57's ability to act as a command post for several Okhotnik strike drones. In the PRC media, they believe that a light single-engine fighter in the Russian Aerospace Forces in the future can focus more on highly maneuverable air combat, including classic interception.
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  1. prior
    prior 29 May 2021 08: 17
    .
    Did I understand correctly that they want to put a pilot on the "Skat"?



    Single engine, lightweight, unobtrusive ... lol
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 29 May 2021 08: 31
      +5
      The pilot on this plane will be invisible.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 29 May 2021 09: 00
      +4
      Did I understand correctly that they want to put a pilot on the "Skat"?
      only if out, on the straps !? wink
      1. Peak
        Peak 29 May 2021 09: 40
        +5
        Quote: prior
        Did I understand correctly that they want to put a pilot on the "Skat"?

        Quote: Intruder
        only if out, on the straps !?


        Webbing sucks negative , technologies of the last century.
        On magnets like a sticker to the refrigerator, or on vacuum suction cups, yes
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 29 May 2021 10: 48
          0
          On magnets as a sticker to the refrigerator, or on vacuum suction cups
          Terry Western propaganda, it should be primordially - to tie it with your own, with nylon ribbons, with green embossing along the edge !?
          1. Elena Zakharova
            Elena Zakharova 29 May 2021 22: 16
            +4
            blue duct tape
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 29 May 2021 22: 19
              +2
              blue duct tape
              exactly Madame... hi with epoxy ... good
              1. Elena Zakharova
                Elena Zakharova 29 May 2021 22: 23
                +1
                Why epoxy?
                Better latsar.
                It will be more reliable.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 29 May 2021 22: 26
                  +2
                  Why epoxy?
                  More canonical, if you remembered about the blue duct tape !? hi
                  And so, epoxy and electrical tape + faith and maybe ... they take care of everything ... good
                  1. Elena Zakharova
                    Elena Zakharova 29 May 2021 22: 46
                    0
                    And so, epoxy and electrical tape + faith and maybe ... they take care of everything ...

                    Epoxy is fragile.
                    Although, of course, there are options that are more plastic, but this is rare and expensive.
                    That is why I recommended latsar instead of epoxy.
                    Cheaper and very practical.
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 29 May 2021 22: 49
                      +1
                      Epoxy is fragile.
                      Depends on the proportion of the hardener, I can argue from the usual one, elastic .., for a number of applications, plus a different filler must be added, if you want to obtain a flexible and durable composite, also with a choice of fabric reinforcement ... nylon, aramid, carbon fiber !!!
                      1. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 29 May 2021 23: 07
                        +1
                        The final quality of this product depends on the proportion ...
                        Eh ...
                        Advice to you ...
                        By epoxy))
                        Regular epoxy, a kit from the store ...
                        Stirs.
                        Add solvent, you can 646 ...
                        Pour the cement ...
                        Stir ...
                        And so on until you get a liter of mass))
                        aha))
                        Epoxy is an oligomer.
                        Combine with amines, polymerization begins .......
                      2. Intruder
                        Intruder 29 May 2021 23: 17
                        +1
                        Eh ...
                        Advice to you ...
                        By epoxy))
                        Regular epoxy, a kit from the store ...
                        Stirs.

                        Epoxy is an oligomer.
                        Combine with amines, polymerization begins .......
                        I know, madam ... wink Or rather, if we are delving into chemistry with you ... although lately, there are so few smart women with whom I could talk about these topics in life ... good
                        It is an oligopolymer. It consists of a number of epoxy groups, which polymerize when reacted with a hardener. The most in demand are products obtained as a result of the synthesis of polymers based on bisphenol and phenol epichlorohydrin.
                        ES refers to complex compounds; it manifests its physical and technical characteristics exclusively in the form of a polymer. When reacted with hardeners, oligomers form the structure of many crosslinked polymers. Produced in accordance with GOST 10587-84. Speaking about the composition of the epoxy, it should be noted that it can be modified by physical or chemical methods! Chemically, you can achieve the intended reaction with additional substances. For example, when reacting with polyesters of alcohols of the glycidyl group, the elastic parameters of the hardened resin change. Together with this, its moisture resistance also changes. And by introducing organohalogen or organophosphorus compounds into the structure, it is possible to multiply the flammability of the material.
                        .... well, this, so shop garbage ... here are epoxy compounds, polymer mixtures are more interesting there !!!
                      3. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 08: 53
                        +1
                        I'm not a chemist ...
                        However, I had to deal with polymers, and not only epoxy ...
                        A long story, but for example it had something to do with the development of equipment and fixtures for compounds, for example, for mixtures on a molded polymer floor, polyurea, fire protection for metals ...
                        I had to write instructions for rams))
                        Well, for example, they calculated the maximum rotation speed of the mixer, so that the dare not overheat))
                        Everyone wants to go fast, and then they yell like compound shit ...
                      4. Intruder
                        Intruder 30 May 2021 10: 35
                        -1
                        Well, for example, they calculated the maximum rotation speed of the mixer, so that the dare not overheat))
                        Everybody wants to go fast, and then they yell like compound shit
                        I see ... and it happens wink I am purely in practice, now I deal with these polymers and all sorts of composites in the design of various devices, especially in terms of their protection from different weather / climatic conditions ... although earlier, in the old years, I had little experience with trichlorosilanes and other high-grade chemistry ...
                      5. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 30 May 2021 10: 40
                        +1
                        Well, I'm just an engineer ....
                        And what I wrote just extra money.
                        I just don’t refuse, I have a whole list of offices that have been cooperating with me since the mid-nineties precisely in questions of what thread to come up with and draw drawings of non-standard equipment and components.
                        If you are interested in details, I can give you a link.
                        No, not on the website, but there is a detailed article on what, how, when ...
                      6. Intruder
                        Intruder 30 May 2021 10: 48
                        -1
                        I just don’t refuse, I have a whole list of offices that have been cooperating with me since the mid-nineties precisely in questions of what thread to come up with and draw drawings of non-standard equipment and components.
                        If you are interested in details, I can give you a link.
                        No, not on the website, but there is a detailed article on what, how, when ...
                        Hmm ..., I wonder, but how are you with those. or spoken English !? wink Throw in HP, plizzz yes
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  • AML
    AML 29 May 2021 09: 27
    +1
    Quote: prior
    Did I understand correctly that they want to put a pilot on the "Skat"?

    They want to make a door on the slope so that the pilot can come out at least sometimes :)
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 29 May 2021 10: 49
      0
      They want to make a door on the slope so that the pilot can come out at least sometimes :)
      At all ..., or so smoke during the flight! ?? wink
  • Errr
    Errr 29 May 2021 12: 35
    +2
    Quote: prior
    Single engine, lightweight, unobtrusive ...
    The design thought already sees a single-engine, halved in every sense, a variant of the Su-57. wink
    1. vargo
      vargo 29 May 2021 14: 01
      +4
      Weird designer. If he at least took the SU-57 as a basis, then at least the air intakes would have been placed further under the wing, like that of a fellow, the wing would have done more and with a minimum of right angles by analogy. Again, two air intakes above the wing, I didn't understand what at all. And the engine can be hidden from above more compactly without rounded shapes. I feel the designer is just a fan of the F-35, so he sculpts. All over the world, for some reason, their 5th and 6th generation aircraft are molded by analogy with the F-35. Well, they don't have planes yet, but the mockups are entirely copy-paste from the F-35
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 29 May 2021 16: 28
        +3
        Again, two air intakes above the wing, I didn't understand what at all.

        In the internet there is a photo with a model of an airplane on the table of Yuri Borisov
        Only his nose is visible in the photo. The air intake is one at the bottom. hi

        1. vargo
          vargo 29 May 2021 18: 21
          +1
          If you follow this photo, then on the plane (which is on the right), as I understand it, the air intake is really one and it is in the center of the plane. There has already been a similar performance. And on the render, there are two separate ones. Well, usually, if they really want to shine the look, then they shine specifically, and here only a piece)) I think there is a model of some other plane.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 29 May 2021 19: 44
            0
            "Render" is entertainment from the couch. Never mind. laughing
  • venik
    venik 29 May 2021 19: 40
    0
    Quote: prior
    Did I understand correctly that they want to put a pilot on the "Skat"?

    ========
    Probably - wrong! Although this is not important!
    "What grows will grow"! drinks
  • Dimonst
    Dimonst 29 May 2021 21: 17
    0
    "Omon Ra" (c) V. Pelevin ???)))
  • An K-s
    An K-s 29 May 2021 08: 30
    +1
    Maybe all the same single-engine, and not single-engine, ugh, you can break your tongue while you pronounce it.
    1. pilot306
      pilot306 29 May 2021 10: 17
      +2
      The turbojet engine sounds, right?
  • Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 29 May 2021 08: 40
    +3
    I hope that the fighter will be in metal, and not only on paper, this class is more in demand there. Another would be to take back the sales markets that we gave away, and it would be generally great.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 29 May 2021 09: 02
      0
      I hope that the fighter will be in metal and not just on paper there
      now there are a lot of modern polymeric materials (paper and metal are not favorites, already), for the technical creativity of adult uncles !!! lol
    2. dauria
      dauria 29 May 2021 09: 53
      -2
      I hope that the fighter will be in metal and not only on paper, there is more this class is in great demand


      It is difficult to call a fighter what everyone really needs. A relatively cheap single-engine aircraft, capable of first of all effectively working against ground targets and at the same time being able to carry medium air-to-air missiles. Naturally with a low RCS. Rather, the old class of front-line fighter-bomber. In short, you need to copy the F-35 glider, but the filling will still change three times while it flies. This means - immediately count on the "plug and play" type of "upgrade" on the American common bus.
      In a word, we slept and woke up.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 29 May 2021 22: 24
        +1
        In a word, we slept and woke up.

        If that's what you call the "product 30" effort, you know ... negative
        And before the accomplishment of this feat (in every sense), there was no point in talking about a single-engine aircraft. hi
        1. dauria
          dauria 30 May 2021 00: 19
          +1
          And before the accomplishment of this feat (in every sense),


          Throw in rattling words. Did Pratt Whitney perform feats too, or did they just make a good product to sell? Saturn is a joint stock company. It offers goods, the country's budget pays for it. If you are a shareholder, you will receive a profit in the form of dividends or stock prices.
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  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 29 May 2021 08: 54
    0
    The development started a bit late. If, of course, they started, I did not come across such news.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 May 2021 09: 28
      +3
      After the Su35S and Su57, at least, there is a modern turbojet engine Al41 and Product 30 with UVT (the nozzle will probably have to be altered either to a flat one or just up and down, which) there is a modern avionics, there is a radar ....., some other ready-made Components. This brings the likelihood of the appearance of a light fighter closer.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 29 May 2021 10: 07
        +6
        The maximum takeoff weight of the Su-57 is 35 tons. For the aircraft under development, it is almost half as much and is equal to 18 tons. That is, instead of two Product 30 engines, like the Su-57, one Product 30 engine will be installed on the light fighter under development and will receive the required thrust.

        .MOSCOW, May 26 - RIA Novosti. The Sukhoi company is developing the first in Russia fifth-generation lightweight multi-role fighter with one engine, a source in the aircraft industry told RIA Novosti.
        "When creating the aircraft, it is planned to widely use the groundwork accumulated within the framework of the creation of the Su-57, including the newest product 30 engine, radio-absorbing coatings, avionics, and a complex of weapons," he said.

        Until now, all Russian-made fighters, including the most modern Su-57, have been equipped with two engines.
        According to the source, the new aircraft should have a take-off weight of no more than 18 tons, its maximum speed will exceed Mach two, and the thrust-to-weight ratio (the ratio of engine mass and thrust) will be at least one. At the same time, it will differ in reduced radar signature, super-maneuverability and shortened take-off due to the deflected thrust vector of the engine.


        "The layout of the fighter will have one under-fuselage multi-mode air intake, as it is implemented on many modern single-engine aircraft," the source added.

        https://ria.ru/20210526/istrebitel-1733910712.html
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 29 May 2021 10: 15
          +4
          It is also necessary to take into account that since the creation of the Su57 airframe, there have been some progress in composites and the airframe will have a large% of them, which means it will be easier ..... which, as a result, can lead to a thrust-to-weight ratio comparable to the Su57.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 29 May 2021 10: 23
            +2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            It is also necessary to take into account that since the creation of the Su57 airframe, there have been some progress in composites and the airframe will have a large% of them, which means it will be easier ..... which, as a result, can lead to a thrust-to-weight ratio comparable to the Su57.


            I do not think that this is so important given the experience of the same F-16 and F-35.
            Probably, when evaluating the new development of Russian aircraft designers, it is reasonable to rely on some of the characteristics of the F-16. Such a comparison, although not entirely correct taking into account the difference between generations, will still allow us to understand whether the Russian project will be a significant step forward. If so, we should remember some of the parameters of the American car. For example, the weight of an empty F-16, depending on the modification, is approximately 9 tons. Normal takeoff weight, without outboard fuel tanks and with several air-to-air missiles for aerial combat, is about 13 tons. And the maximum take-off weight is approaching 22 tons, which is more than twice the empty weight. The afterburner power of the engine is, in both versions (installation of General Electric F110 and Pratt & Whitney F100 engines is possible) is about 13 tons.

            With a normal load, the F-16 has a thrust-to-weight ratio of approximately unity. That is, the power of the engine is approximately equal to the mass of the aircraft, and if it is even simpler, it is able to climb vertically upward practically without acceleration and inertia, using only the thrust of its power plant. With a greater load, such a number becomes no longer possible, and with a significant loss of speed during climb, the fighter can already fall into a tailspin.


            Also single-engine is another representative of the US Air Force, the F-35 fighter. But here it is very difficult to make a correct comparison, since this machine was clearly not developed for economy. Yes, during the development of the F-35, money was clearly not spared, it was supposed to become the main "war chariot" of the American armed forces in the first half of the twenty-first century, and the requirements laid down in the car already during the development of the concept were such that to speak of a clearly defined the niche of this fighter is, in principle, impossible. Let's just say that with a normal take-off weight of 24 kg (version of the F-350A), the afterburner power of its engine is approximately 35 kilograms.

            According to information announced by the TASS agency, the new Russian light fighter is planned to be created based on the technologies and developments that the Sukhoi design bureau has for the Su-57 project. And this is not only composite materials, stealth coating or advanced avionics, but also the second stage engine for this aircraft, better known as "Product 30". According to the available information, the afterburner thrust of this engine will be 18 kg. And it is not surprising that the source voiced exactly this maximum weight of the new single-engine fighter.

            https://newizv.ru/news/army/28-05-2021/deshevyy-no-sverhmanevrennyy-kb-suhoy-razrabatyvaet-legkoy-istrebitel
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 29 May 2021 10: 42
              +3
              I agree. But if you take a glider, then between F15 and F16 years 10 and the F16 glider is more progressive and more perfect. A trd is unified. We also see it with F22 and F35. The turbojet engine is finalized there, though.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 29 May 2021 10: 52
          0
          That is, instead of two Product 30 engines, like the Su-57, one Product 30 engine will be installed on the light fighter under development and will receive the required thrust.
          Excuse me, colleague - it's like, they put one turbojet engine and get the required thrust, I hope not like the Su-57 with two, I honestly believe ... what's wrong, everything is there !!! wink
          1. AML
            AML 29 May 2021 11: 04
            +3
            What's wrong with the 57 with the thrust?
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 29 May 2021 11: 10
              0
              What's wrong with the 57 with the thrust?
              You do not quite understand, the hidden meaning in my comment !? laughing
          2. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 29 May 2021 11: 08
            +2
            Read the quotes from a source in the aircraft industry given in my posts above. It says about a single-engine fighter and the Product 30 engine. The maximum take-off weight of the Su-57 with two Products 30 is 35 tons, the maximum take-off weight of the light fighter under development is 18 tons, then there is almost 2 times less. They will install one Product 30 engine on a light fighter.
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 29 May 2021 12: 34
        0
        This fighter is being developed by the dry company. For some reason, the news passed the military review. But similar work is being done instantly. Plus, now there is already a moment-35. Yes, it is not so modern in terms of a glider, but otherwise it is quite a good light and economical car. And it may well fit for work with the Su-57. In short, the future will show which option will win.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 29 May 2021 16: 22
          +1
          Let there be both the MiG-35, and eventually a lightweight fighter of the 5th generation.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 29 May 2021 16: 59
            0
            Yes, I do not mind, let it be.
            The problem is that we have almost no fighter regiments left for the moment-29. To buy the mig-35 in normal quantities, you need to form many new regiments and squadrons. And when a new fighter appears, these new regiments will already seem to be with new aircraft. This is the main problem of the light fighter in our VKS.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 29 May 2021 08: 58
    +1
    I wonder how difficult it is to redesign the Su-57 airframe for one engine with a corresponding reduction in size? It is clear that it is not just to reduce, but to take ready-made components and assemblies.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 29 May 2021 09: 19
      +1
      Sukhovtsy at one time proposed to make a whole aircraft complex - Su-54/55/56 - based on the backlog of the Su-27 in a single-engine version. Experience meant. I want to believe that I stayed.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 May 2021 10: 16
      0
      In fact, from the glider, only the cockpit will remain ... but a lot of units will move.
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 29 May 2021 10: 40
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      Wedmak (Denis) Today, 08:58 New
      0

      I wonder how difficult it is to redesign the Su-57 airframe for one engine with a corresponding reduction in size?

      This is a completely new aircraft. Even if the same aerodynamic design is used, and the engine, avionics and avionics are borrowed.
  • Yves762
    Yves762 29 May 2021 09: 08
    +1
    It will become a lighter "brother" of the Su-57, ...

    what
    Yeah ...
    Well, if all the same "goods" by any "banana", then let's say.
    But if the same garbage as with the F-22 / F-35, then hr ..... badly. crying
    "The F-35 remains, in every sense, nothing more than an expensive prototype launched into mass production," says government oversight project officer Dan Grazer, based on a recent US Department of Defense report.

    https://rg.ru/2021/03/01/forbes-vvs-ssha-priznali-proval-proekta-f-35.html
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 May 2021 10: 17
      0
      If they do not start doing, like the United States, three in one bottle ... VTOL aircraft, deck boat and ordinary ... then I see no problems
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 29 May 2021 09: 24
    -2
    In reality, our Air Force does not need a single-engine light fighter. It will be worse than the Su-57 in everything, especially in the range, and for our huge country this is of fundamental importance. Well, it will not cost much less. Well, exporting also does not go far in our time.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 May 2021 10: 20
      0
      There are two concepts in the world:
      1. One type of Mig29, Rafal for all Air Forces.
      2. Bundle Ф15 and Ф16 ... Ф18 -deck.

      The Russian Federation is going its own way .... we have three heavy fighters with different thrusters and systems: Su30,34,35 and the fourth Su57 ...
      1. Light
        Light 29 May 2021 11: 52
        +2
        Plus, for amers F-22 and F-35, all 4 and 5 generations are mixed, who can afford it.
        We will have the Su-30cm2 and Su-35 unified as much as possible, it will be the same as with the F-15eh - an excellent multifunctional aircraft, without the controversial stealth, but cheaper than the new generation. The Su-34 should occupy the niche of the front-line bomber Su-24 - it is especially convenient, as Syria has shown, to cheaply and angrily bomb the Papuans, Barmaley, Banderlog .. in theory, it will normally fit into a pair with the Su-57, plus export potential.
        Specialized attack aircraft Su-25 are living out their days. In total, there remains the average MiG-35, which can be adapted to the 4th generation deck, such as the F-18. And the MiG-31 is a specialized air defense interceptor, especially useful where we do not have ground air defense, like the Arctic, which, it seems, will be replaced by the PAK DP.
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 29 May 2021 12: 25
      0
      I think it will cost much cheaper. 40 percent most likely. As for the number of engines, then of course two would be better. But with a thrust half as much as a 30 product, and much cheaper to manufacture.
  • d1975
    d1975 29 May 2021 09: 49
    0
    All this is fine, but is there a dvigun for him, or is it a product of 30? If so, then they simply have to make an excellent aircraft in these parameters. hi
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 May 2021 10: 21
      +3
      Even with Al41, it is already possible to cut ... there is enough traction, the resource is at the level of western trd
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 29 May 2021 12: 16
      0
      In the mind, of course, this product should be 30. But now the development of a single engine for the Su-27,30,35 aircraft is still underway. Perhaps they use it.
  • Marachuh
    Marachuh 29 May 2021 09: 50
    +2
    In theory, on the basis of the Su57 should be done faster. But it will still take several years to fine-tune and test. Although, given that even the Americans themselves are disappointed in their "penguin", there are good chances to occupy a niche. The question is open in AFAR. Will they take it from the MiG35?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 May 2021 10: 22
      0
      I was so disappointed that they could not stop ... they rivet 15-20 pieces a month
      1. Marachuh
        Marachuh 29 May 2021 10: 26
        +1
        And they resume the development of the 4+ generation aircraft. And 15-20 pieces per month, so this is for slaves! Serfs do not need normal letaki. The slave only has to pay!
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 29 May 2021 10: 32
          -1
          That's not the point .... a lot of countries are no longer pulling financially and the 4th generation .... a lot of US countries do not want to sell F35 .... because of stealth technologies. Why not pack the F35 "chips" into a conventional F16 case?
          1. Marachuh
            Marachuh 29 May 2021 11: 17
            +1
            You contradict yourself. They do not pull F35, but are ready to pay for their chips in the F16 building. So the body is worth nothing. There is just a filling. And who doesn't pull F35? Israel, UAE, EU? They have money like a fool of candy wrappers. Only the most ineffective aircraft of our time, there are no fools at the price of gold for 1 kg of mass. And the Americans have already discussed the quality of F35.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 29 May 2021 11: 40
              0
              You are not wasting stealth cover and you are using the usual 4th generation ammo ... is this not a savings?
              1. Marachuh
                Marachuh 29 May 2021 12: 32
                0
                Consider the cost of the engine alone in the total cost of the aircraft. Then the cost of AFAR. Then the cost of the rest of the avionics. Your stealth cover is already a beggar for change. And who to save you did not answer! The Saudis, perhaps? Or the Israelites?
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 29 May 2021 13: 24
                  -2
                  Jews were sold F35 .... Arabs are being blocked for now ..... That's for the Arabs, maybe India. Thailand, Taiwan, Indonesia, the Philippines .... Stealth coverage makes a significant part of the cost. It is also necessary to maintain it and store the planes correctly.
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 29 May 2021 19: 06
              0
              The EU does not have competencies in the field of the military-industrial complex. These issues are entirely within the competence of individual EU states.
  • Eug
    Eug 29 May 2021 10: 27
    +1
    The Chinese are not doing very well with the J-31, and they perfectly understand that if a successful light fighter is made in Russia, then all the Chinese screams about the backwardness of Russia in combat aviation ... well, in general, you yourself know.
  • AAK
    AAK 29 May 2021 13: 45
    0
    At one time, the Sukhoi Design Bureau brought to the stage of the layout and, in part, working drawings, a series of single-engine Su-54 - Su-56, i.e. a real project of a "half" Su-57, if the design bureau wishes, as well as with the money and the will of the MO customer, can appear very quickly (the old "yeast" will be supplemented with the Su-57 and "Okhotnik" developments). However, if Su such an aircraft burns out, then the probability of the MiG disappearing as a brand is very high ... the 35th will not go into the mass production, the 29th KUB will fly 10-12 years, and then they will begin to write off 29- e old types ...
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 29 May 2021 19: 31
    +1
    Quote: AAK
    At one time, the Sukhoi Design Bureau brought to the stage of the layout and, in part, working drawings, a series of single-engine Su-54 - Su-56, i.e. a real project of a "half" Su-57, if the design bureau wishes, as well as with the money and the will of the MO customer, can appear very quickly (the old "yeast" will be supplemented with the Su-57 and "Okhotnik" developments). However, if Su such an aircraft burns out, then the probability of the MiG disappearing as a brand is very high ... the 35th will not go into the mass production, the 29th KUB will fly 10-12 years, and then they will begin to write off 29- e old types ...

    Moreover, the version of single-engine Dryers had one big advantage in the marine version. With the wings folded, the single-engine dryer formed a compact square, that is, the aircraft in this case takes up much less space. Accordingly, a larger number of aircraft can be accommodated even on a light aircraft carrier like our aircraft carrier Kuznetsov.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 May 2021 10: 28
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    Quote: Elena Zakharova
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    Taking into account import substitution.
  • Vladimir Vlasov
    Vladimir Vlasov 1 June 2021 13: 48
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    Just got it? Why are our aircraft designers, with very, very smart brains, 20 years late in technology? The enemy has been producing such an F-35 aircraft for a very long time. More than 3500 of them have already been made! And their model F-35B fighter with a short takeoff and vertical landing, in general, surprises with its performance characteristics. The engine for the F-35B allows a fully armed F-35A with full fuel tanks to maneuver at 9 g. Are our "developers" capable of at least catching up with the level of enemy technologies? The enemy has been improving these technologies for 20 years. And how many years will our people create such equipment? Are they capable? What have you been thinking about for 20 years? And did you even think?