The Black Sea Fleet will be strengthened by two small missile ships of the project 22800 "Karakurt"

The Black Sea Fleet will be strengthened by small missile ships (MRK) of project 22800. By the end of the year, fleet it is planned to host two "Karakurt".

According to the Ministry of Defense, the Black Sea Fleet will include the Cyclone and Askold MRKs. Both ships are being built at the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch, but are at different stages. If "Cyclone" was launched in the summer of 2020, completed and is currently undergoing tests, then "Askold" is only being prepared for launching. A third RTO for the Black Sea Fleet, called Amur, is being built there, but it will be launched only in 2022. The delay in the construction of the ships has nothing to do with the "Zaliv" itself, it's all about the supply of power plants.

As reported "News" With reference to sources in the military department, the crews for the RTOs have been formed, after the transfer they will become part of the 41st brigade of missile ships of the Black Sea Fleet.

RTOs of this project have a length of 67 meters, a width of 11 meters and a draft of 4 meters. Displacement - about 800 tons, cruising range - up to 2500 miles, autonomy - 15 days. The main armament is one UKKSK (universal ship complex) 3X14 missile launcher on the 8 KR Caliber, one 76-mm AK-176MA gun mount, ZRAK Panzir-M, two 14.5-mm or 12,7-mm machine-gun mounts MTTPU.

According to the plans of the Russian Navy, at least 18 MRKs of project 22800 should be included in the Russian Navy, however, the construction of ships is slowed down due to insufficient production rates of M507 diesel engines installed on MRKs of this project.

Comments

[nPuBaTuP]

It's nice to hear such news from Crimea ...

[Machito]

It is necessary to increase the pace of production. Karakurt should be baked like pies in a bakery.

[isv000]

Considering the length of the water area of ​​Russia and the ability of such ships to work with both Calibers and Zircons, there are hundreds of them ...

[Eldorado]

We should not bake the Karakurt like cakes, but send their developers and admirals to hard labor for such ships!

[Piramidon]

Quote: El Dorado

We should not bake the Karakurt like cakes, but send their developers and admirals to hard labor for such ships!

It became scary that they would enter the Dnieper, and all your pan-headed gang of kirdyk will come?

[Peak]

Quote: Piramidon

It became scary that they would enter the Dnieper, and all your pan-headed gang of kirdyk will come?

But they can go There would only be a need ...
To that with a lock - the passage from the Caspian along the Volga, Volga-Don, through Azov to the Black Sea.
Ships of the "river-sea" class can.

Just do not need this, and so they will get "Caliber" from any point of standing.

[Grits]

Quote: PiK

But they can go yes There would only be a need ...
To that with a lock - the passage from the Caspian along the Volga, Volga-Don, through Azov to the Black Sea.
Ships of the "river-sea" class can. yes

Just do not need this, and so they will get "Caliber" from any point of standing.

Do not confuse with Buyans. this is what they are intended for. Karakuts are intended for the sea.

[Peak]

Quote: Gritsa

Do not confuse with Buyans. this is what they are intended for.

Yes you are right. Interpreted ... But still, let them be afraid

[alexmach]

there are hundreds of them ... soldier

We should not bake the Karakurt like cakes, but send their developers and admirals to hard labor for such ships!

Why are you so carried away? Neither one nor the other is needed.

[Angry]

Your point of view is not clear. Always and in all fleets there were narrowly specialized ships, including small strike ships, such as torpedo boats. It is clear that their dimensions do not allow to mark all the necessary weapons and equipment, and the complete minimum gentleman's set "for all occasions" can be placed only on ships of the frigate type. It is also clear that you want more frigates ... BUT! You yourself know the reasons. At the same time, MRK BMZ allows to reduce the load on the same frigates that can go to the DMZ and Okean. Well, in addition, RTOs can be deployed or based in the country's inland waters (under the umbrellas of land air defense), which is impossible for frigates. Therefore, MRK pr.21631 and 22800 are still in demand for our aircraft. Well, tenth, you know that RTOs appeared during the operation of the INF Treaty. It is clear that, if required, missile trains will be built instead of RTOs. But! If RTOs can be based, say, on the islands of the Kuril ridge, then it is problematic with trains there. So we need RTOs!

[donavi49]

Shipyards can lay down and build at least 10 more units. Only then what? Oar Drive? The main problem with the construction conservation (on Pella, for example) is that there are no engines. They are distributed manually. And so far there are no special prospects. Moreover, they decided to bankrupt the Star with the aim of subsequent nationalization. However, all courts do not contribute to labor feat and retention of personnel during the transitional stage. There will probably be even fewer kits this year than last.

[210ox]

It is necessary to increase the production of engines. Bankrupt manufacturer + ancient diesel.

[Grits]

Quote: 210ox

It is necessary to increase the production of engines. Bankrupt manufacturer + ancient diesel.

It is customary for us to scold and remember with horror L, P. Beria, who was in charge of many issues of the defense industry. But with him now, firstly, such a situation with the engines would not have been allowed. And secondly, if such a problem appeared, it would be promptly resolved. Now a team would have been given to build a specialized plant, to develop a line of marine engines. And within a year, this plant would churn out engines like pies.
Hence the conclusion - all the problems of their production are far-fetched. Everything can be solved. an iron will and a demand for responsibility are needed.

[Vladimir1155]

these ships are the fruit of the DRMSD, they wanted to deceive NATO by placing the RMSD there, and NATO simply threw them out by the DRMSD ... so the Karakurt series is closed, like Buyan M, but the ones under construction can be sent to the seas to replace the corvettes being brought out to the oceans, and all the more so for a cruiser in the closed sea to do absolutely nothing.

[Stepan S]

Karakurt should be baked like pies in a bakery.

It won't work with pies. There is nobody to build a diesel engine in such quantity. The "star" is in a fever and is unable to cope.

[venik]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

It's nice to hear such news from Crimea ...

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It is unpleasant to hear that Zvezda disrupts the supply of high-speed diesel engines and gearboxes for the Navy from year to year! As a result - constant "shifts to the right" ... (...The delay in the construction of the ships has nothing to do with the "Zaliv" itself, it's all about the supply of power plants. ...). The Ministry of Defense seems to have already filed a lawsuit, and the nationalization of the plant is imminent. But will it be of any use? It may be time to invest in the purchase of equipment and the creation alternative capacities, at enterprises with competence in the creation of diesel units and gearboxes?
The timeframes for RTOs have been disrupted, frigates are thwarted! How long can you tolerate?
PS I'm sorry, but just pent up!

[mitroha]

Quote: venik

Maybe it's time to invest in the purchase of equipment and the creation of alternative capacities at enterprises with competence in the creation of diesel units and gearboxes?

And who, in your opinion, will now rush to sell equipment for the production of engines for the Navy? Not a single manufacturer in the world, labs, can share the sanctions with us.

[venik]

Quote: Mitroha

And who, in your opinion, will now rush to sell equipment for the production of engines for the Navy? Not a single manufacturer in the world, labs, can share the sanctions with us.

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Well, for example China! And domestic factories can supply some of the equipment!
Ultimately, China and South Korea and even Japan are also supplying equipment for the Zvezda shipyard in the Far East!
We could have managed the problem of supplying equipment for mechanical engineering somehow!
Not in the first!

[Grits]

Quote: Mitroha

And who, in your opinion, will now rush to sell equipment for the production of engines for the Navy

In such cases, the Chinese dismantled the mechanisms to the screw and then learned to make their own. They didn’t wait for permission to sell. What's stopping us?

[mitroha]

Quote: Gritsa

In such cases, the Chinese dismantled the mechanisms to the screw and then learned to do their own

Did they do it right at a foreign factory or did they disassemble what they had already bought?

[isv000]

Good news! This is not a mosquito fleet, these will bite! Small spool but precious...

[V1er]

Successful ships turned out) I heard that on the basis of project 22800 small ships are being developed.

[donavi49]

Very doubtful with the current powerplant. They have 112 unparalleled 3 cylinder monsters. He not only himself, but also suppresses the entire water area.

For PLO, you need a low-medium speed with good noise or, in general, an electric search run on batteries and generators.

[V1er]

I agree, but there are suggestions or options on how to fix the situation with flat?

[Ruslan Sulima]

This is the case! Well done, keep the forelock in check just right.

[andrewkor]

I will add that all sorts of uninvited "inspectors" from NATO, including!

[Ross xnumx]

The main armament - one PU UKSK (universal ship complex) 3S14 RK for 8 KR "Caliber"

Considering that the hypersonic Zircon can be placed in the Kalibra launcher, this is a real force.

[knn54]

Given the stealth, speed and promising Zircon can compete with a destroyer.
A group of such RTOs is already very serious.
It is also important that (unlike previous projects) it is capable of performing tasks in the far sea zone.

[isv000]

And the cruising range of 2500 miles + the flight range allows you to keep under control all the blue Black Sea in the world, my and, given the shallow draft, the Azov Sea is the same ...

[Alex013]

As for the shallow draft - 4 meters for a displacement of 800 tons - this is not even very little. Gorshkov, with his almost 5000 tons, has almost the same.

[V1er]

Seven feet under the keel!

[isv000]

And this is at a factory that was almost bent at the seamen! More such ships for the glorious fleet of Her Majesty Russia!

[Warhead-xnumx]

Two small rocket ships ... Cool, what to say.
In the 90s I served in Sevastopol at the KChF, and so my BOD "Kerch", after the same type BOD "Azov" stood on the eternal joke at the wall, was considered insufficient, if possible, to counteract the submarine of a potential enemy, since there was only one running gear for that moment from the BOD and spent most of the time at the wall. We need full-fledged BODs, not RTOs.

[seregin-s1]

He worked for "Kerch" from the research institute in BC-7. I believe that stationary GAS and PLO aircraft are needed for the Black Sea Fleet. I am against 1-sided ships of the XNUMXst rank. Better IPC.

[Warhead-xnumx]

There was KCHF, will become MCHF - Mosquito Black Sea Fleet. Small anti-submarine ships, small missile, small submarine, etc. It must be understood that boats with aircraft are enough for the Black Sea itself, but when we say the Black Sea Fleet, we a priori mean the Mediterranean squadron. But there you can't do without full-fledged BODs. It would be correct for prioritization to rename the Black Sea Fleet to Mediterranean, in order to understand its goals and objectives.

[seregin-s1]

Why so? Three new frigates, UDC is under construction, a missile cruiser, corvettes in the near future. Seven submarines .... Not so sad.

[faiver]

the composition of the Turkish fleet at the same time would be nice to list next ...

[seregin-s1]

Maybe the composition of the Russian before the reunification with the Crimea?

[Dart2027]

Quote: faiver

the composition of the Turkish fleet at the same time would be nice to list next

What's the point? In the event of an armed conflict, the entire World Championship will be fired by missiles from the Crimea, and there will be no problems with guidance.

[El Chuvachino]

Missile cruiser?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: CU-5

but when we say the Black Sea Fleet, then a priori we mean the Mediterranean squadron. But there you can't do without full-fledged BODs. It would be correct for prioritization to rename the Black Sea Fleet to Mediterranean, in order to understand its goals and objectives.

In the USSR, they went to military service in the Mediterranean Sea, went to Vetnam. .A squadron in the Indian Ocean .. And no one proposed to rename the KChF in something strange .. And now they go to the battle in the Mediterranean, God forbid they will go to the Indian on an ongoing basis ... We will build up muscle and there will be a squadron for the Indian Ocean ... The house is being built on a pebble .....

[Lara Croft]

Quote: CU-5

You have to understand that there will be enough boats with aviation directly for the Black Sea,

Turks and guests from other NATO countries do not think so ... just as the USSR did not think so, having almost all the Black Sea countries as friends ...

It would be correct for prioritization to rename the Black Sea Fleet to Mediterranean, to understand its goals and objectives.

These are different theaters of operations, with different tasks and a basing system ...
As with the Union in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Red Sea of ​​the Russian Federation, there is enough and the Mediterranean squadron (only with a constant, and not only with a rotational composition of ships) (under the Union it was the 5th squadron) ...

[Ruslan Sulima]

We need full-fledged BODs, not RTOs

"Kerch" is cool! What years? I was in Sredzemka)

[Warhead-xnumx]

95-97 BCh-5 ETD. The commander of the warhead was two Krivonos. Division Commander Cap Three Repik.

[Barberry25]

you need to build an additional engine plant

[seregin-s1]

The problem is not in the number of factories, but in the availability of specialists.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: seregin-s1

The problem is not in the number of factories, but in the availability of specialists.

technologies !!!

[Barberry25]

that's the point ... if you modernize old plants, it means to stop them altogether for 2-3 years and not get an engine, not to mention the fact that production will in fact be piecemeal, and at the new plant it is possible to create continuous production taking into account world experience ... and not on the basis of technologies of the 80s ... and then, having already launched production and debugging it, you can think about modernizing old factories

[Thrifty]

So, it seems like they wanted to launch mass production of Karakurt-M, with 24, or at least 16 Caliber missiles, or did they not go further than the plans?

[voyaka uh]

First, ask how many missiles Caliber buys the Ministry of Defense per year?
How many calibers can produce
industry in Russia?
This cruise missile is very expensive and difficult to manufacture. Harder and more capricious than ballistic missiles.
The quantity is not enough to fill the cells of even existing small missile boats, where there are 8 of them. And then there are frigates.

[mvg]

Useless ships. Apsalute. It used to be clear why RTOs are needed, now a lot of questions. Only extra expenses for the fleet.

[Warhead-xnumx]

What I see in the photo is not a ship. This is a boat, a boat, a yacht (and even then not every one). Strengthening the KCHF with such ships cannot be achieved.

[shalkir]

The star would be reanimated as soon as possible. There is information that its competencies are slowly being transferred to Sinara Group and will control the Ural diesel engine plant.

[petrol cutter]

What a twist!
And where will my tods go?
What * Cyclone *?!. * Storm * was planned for the Black Sea Fleet,
Then * Mytischi *, then I still don’t remember what ... For some reason they began to rename them. Apparently to confuse the tracks ...
Remembered! * Kozelsk * some.
This is all our economy.
Bay-nehai UDC-is engaged. Since we started.
And there are far from rosy pictures. According to intelligence ...

[Marachuh]

Interestingly, and on the basis of Karakurt, you can make an air defense corvette? Instead of calibers, shove a close-range zur into the cell. Something like a la Tor or BukM3, but with a seeker.

[Grits]

Quote: Marachuh

Interestingly, and on the basis of Karakurt, you can make an air defense corvette?

Can. If there is an engine that does not rattle like a samovar on the floor of the ocean. And a place for a fairly voluminous and heavy equipment of the complex.

[Marachuh]

I agree with the engine. But if they are not normal yet, why shouldn't we build anything at all? And what about heavy equipment is just the idea with a seeker, to get rid of heavy equipment and aim at the expense of the active head of the missile defense system, well, or from the board of the "flagship".

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Marachuh

Something like a la Tor or BukM3, but with GOS

The seeker is needed for firing far away and / or beyond the horizon, when the missile guidance radar of the air defense missile system does not see the target.
But primary target designation is still needed, which means either a high mast or a flying radar,
You cannot attach the mast to Karakurt - it will turn over, it means only external target designation.
Those. again we have an inferior combat unit, in fact a floating transport and launcher, capable of operating only on a trailer to a large ship or as part of a mixed aircraft-ship grouping.
In the first case, it makes no sense technically.
In the second, organizationally unrealistic.
An ordinary overcooled "Thor" will probably fit, but again, the antenna height is small, so there is no range of the radio horizon.

[Marachuh]

The idea with the GOS is just to get rid of the bulky mast and increase the displacement. I see it this way: There is a "Gorshkov", and next to 2-3 air defense corvettes. In the event of an attack, the corvettes are fired back on a "tip" from the "Gorshkov" or at the expense of the SAM itself.

[Victorio]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Those. again we have an inferior combat unit, in fact, a floating transport and launcher capable of work only on a trailer to a large ship or as part of a mixed aircraft-ship group.
In the first case, it makes no sense technically.

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well, but from the Caspian Sea, the very thing

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Marachuh

can you make an air defense corvette on the basis of Karakurt? Instead of calibers, shove a close-range zur into the cell.

It would make sense if we really baked them like pies, then with a lack of corvettes / frigates, each of them could be reinforced with a pair of such gunboats. And so, these boats are also piece goods that only distract production capacity from the production of full-fledged ships.

[Ryazan87]

it will be nice to see "Askold" and "Cupid" flying the St. Andrew's flag. Nice names ...

[Jacket in stock]

And who can clearly explain to me what is the usefulness of this ship?
Well, "Caliber", and then?
Why do you need them to board the ship?
It used to be clear - an agreement and all that, but now nothing prevents these "Gauges / Zircons" from being put on wheels and placed on the shore, and easier, and cheaper, and more reliable.
And for the rest of the weapons and equipment, it's a useless tub. Moreover, with such problems in production.
It would be better instead of two boats to make one full-fledged corvette, even if the total number of "calibers" would be less, but some kind of air defense system, a more or less decent GAC, what is a thread for PLO ...
For the Navy it would be more useful for the same money and hemorrhoids.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Jacket in stock

It would be better instead of two boats to make one full-fledged corvette,

And what is the difference between MRK / MPK and air defense / anti-aircraft defense corvettes? In terms (there were no corvettes in the Soviet Union) or are they different types of ships?
If MRK / MPK in their performance characteristics do not reach the URO corvettes (if this is an intermediate option between the RCA and the corvette), then why build them (except for the KBF and KKFl), it turns out a prefabricated hodgepodge of ship types, as with tanks and BMP ...
It may be better to make unified ships with a minimum number of their types (ex: air defense corvette, PLO, multifunctional) but in large series, it would be easier and cheaper to build the ships themselves and power plants and weapons for them ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Lara Croft

And what is the difference between MRK / IPC and air defense / PLO corvettes?

I do not know what an IPC is, but an MRK is a small rocket ship. In fact, this is a transport and launch floating installation with self-defense elements. Absolutely dependent unit.
Corvette PLO or air defense, judging by the name, has (should have) full-fledged weapons, allowing you to independently perform at least some useful function.

Quote: Lara Croft

why build them

So I also asked - why?
While the INF Treaty was in force, land launchers were banned, but now there is no need at all.
And it would be okay to produce them a lot and cheaply, they could perform the functions of coastal patrolmen, filling the void, compensating for the lack of full-fledged ships. But no, there are also problems with production.

Quote: Lara Croft

It may be better to make unified ships with a minimum number of their types (ex: air defense corvette, PLO, multifunctional), but in large series, it would be easier and cheaper

Maybe better.
But it doesn't work out quickly and cheaply - there is not enough capacity. And while each ship takes 10-15 years to build, the project has time to become obsolete, and it becomes pointless to make a large series of obviously unsuitable ships.
Well, plus the human factor, admirals and industrialists do not work so that the country has a fleet, I so that they themselves "sleep softly, eat deliciously", and "kids for milk" had something to leave. Capitalism, panimash.

[Lara Croft]

Jacket in stock (Konstantin) I don't know what the IPC is

Small anti-submarine ship.
WIKI:

Small anti-submarine ship (abbreviated: IPC) is a subclass of anti-submarine ships according to the Soviet naval classification. Designed to search, track and destroy submarines in the near sea and coastal zone. In NATO countries, small anti-submarine ships are classified like anti-submarine corvettes - English. corvettes ASW (anti-submarine warfare).

It turns out my guesses were right, our IPC is right, this is an analogue of enemy corvettes. Then what are today's corvettes of the Russian Navy?
Or we artificially split the classification of corvettes into light (IPC / MRK) and medium (air defense / anti-aircraft missile corvettes) ...
It turns out that we are now in service at the same time - MPK / MRK of Soviet projects, MPK / MRK of modern Russian projects, corvettes of modern Russian air defense / anti-aircraft missile projects ... how to connect them all according to their intended purpose? I don’t understand ...

According to the developer, the new small anti-submarine ship is intended for combat operations against surface, underwater and air enemies, as well as for attacking coastal targets using artillery weapons. It is also possible to protect fleet-based locations, protect the state border and the economic zone.

https://topwar.ru/91131-malyy-protivolodochnyy-korabl-proekta-23420.html

[Synoid]

Quote: donavi49

Shipyards can lay down and build at least 10 more units. Only then what? Oar Drive? The main problem with the construction conservation (on Pella, for example) is that there are no engines. They are distributed manually. And so far there are no special prospects. Moreover, they decided to bankrupt the Star with the aim of subsequent nationalization. However, all courts do not contribute to labor feat and retention of personnel during the transitional stage. There will probably be even fewer kits this year than last.

For this, and bankrupt, to effective managers in the ass.
And there they will additionally recruit people and increase the number of graduates.

[musorg]

When the project was launched, they did not think about who and how much would supply the M507. And today there is no one to ask! Such bloopers are unacceptable and "heroes" must be named.