"Russians are increasing power on the southern flank of NATO": foreign reaction to the appearance of Tu-22M3 bombers in Khmeimim

Recently, photos of a pair of Russian Tu-22M3 bombers, taken when they landed at the Khmeimim airbase, appeared on social networks. The foreign press has already responded to the appearance of aircraft in Syria.

As noted in the Bulgarian Military publication, these machines have been used in the SAR many times before. However, they were not deployed there, delivering air strikes, after which they returned to the Russian Federation. Now they receive a "permanent residence permit" in Syria. This became possible thanks to large investments in the infrastructure of the air base. The work unfolded here made it possible to increase the runway by more than 300 meters, bringing its length to 3,2 km.

This allows long-range deployment of bombers in Khmeimim - both Tu-22M3 and Tu-160 [...] All this will allow Moscow to control the skies over Syria and send supersonic bombers to other destinations far from Syria. For example, to Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh

- the publication states, recalling that these aircraft, unlike fighters, are capable of carrying not only free-falling bombs, but also air-to-ground missiles.

The appearance of long-range bombers in Khmeimim significantly expands the operational environment of the Russian Aerospace Forces:

Russia intends to keep bombers in Syria on a permanent basis, this will strengthen the capabilities of its air force in the Mediterranean. The Russians are thus increasing military power on NATO's southern flank and strategic control over North Africa.

- make a conclusion in a foreign publication.

Turkey is a NATO country bordering on Syria.

Comments

[Ka-52]

half of the previous runway length would be enough to land the Tu-22.

[Grandfather]

"Russians are increasing power on the southern flank of NATO": foreign reaction to the appearance of Tu-22M3 bombers in Khmeimim

propaganda ... just another test.

[akarfoxhound]

Quote: Ka-52

half of the previous runway length would be enough to land the Tu-22.

As if you are not from aviation, asking this question. Or have you only "used" turntables all your life?

[Ka-52]

As if you are not from aviation, asking this question. Or have you only "used" turntables all your life?

decipher this set of words. In general, again (judging by the downsides) I see how many experts on the VO who know the length of the Tu-22 tonnage plane. Only for some reason they show this knowledge from the bushes, shyly limiting themselves to the minuses. Come on, write your details. At the same time, indicate pzhl at what landing weight they calculated the mileage.

[akarfoxhound]

If for you this is a set of words, then you have nothing to do with aviation (aerodynamics in particular), for sure , this is the first,
on the second, dear lover of helicopters, the plane must not only land, but also take off from a point, under any conditions, the takeoff run for such heavyweights, as a rule, is almost 2 times the length of the run - and this is not taking into account the release of TP
thirdly, if, for example, according to the Airplane Flight Manual, the take-off run for an aircraft with a maximum take-off weight in a standard atmosphere will be 2100 m, and that required to ensure a safe take-off is 2700 m, and for a specific point, taking into account the average annual temperature, airfield altitude and take-off angle the minimum safe runway length can be 3100 - you have not seen this? This does not mean, of course, that the aircraft will not take off from 2500, take off, but with certain operational restrictions in specific conditions. Elementary formulas for each type of aircraft according to the calculation of the runway. Or an educational program "helicopter pilot" on the forum to arrange? Did you learn the basics at the flight school or from among the sympathizers "for aviation"?
And fourthly, I never minus opponents, I don't do this nonsense, so it's not for me, express childish grievances to your friends.

"Nadezhda Konstantinovna said that he went to his mistress, mistress, that to his wife, and he himself in the attic and study, study and study again!" IN AND. Lenin

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Why are all foreign American "tobaccos howled? There is only one base. Americans have more than 1000 of them abroad!"

[ancient]

Quote: Ka-52

the length of the run of the aircraft tonnage Tu-22

Как then you put it ..... can be the value of the landing distance depending on Gnorm.pos, various atmospheric conditions, flight mode and flight configuration?

Quote: Ka-52

Tu-22.

Let me remind you that Tu-22 and Tu-22M are ABSOLUTELY different aircraft, with ABSOLUTELY different takeoff and landing characteristics and restrictions.

Quote: Ka-52

At the same time, indicate pzhl at what landing weight they calculated the mileage.

Landing G is calculated from the conditions reflected in the Airplane Flight Manual and for the main cases of OSP, such as one engine, flaps at 23 (one ACR floor by the wing), landing c G = 78t, with G> 88t, cG> 96t and> 100t
This is where the V values ​​"come out" in the modes of landing and pre-landing maneuvering.
But these calculations for IShR are made for the base airfield or takeoff and landing airfield.
Those. in each case.

[knn54]

-For example, .. and Nagorno-Karabakh.
Editor (s) Bulgarian Military, teach geography.
There is Mozdok in the North Caucasus (Alania)

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Then m. is it for takeoff? Overloading bombs and all that? ..

[Ka-52]

for takeoff with useful 2-2.2 is enough. For planting 1200 officially, in practice it is 2 times less.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Ka-52

For planting 1200 officially, in practice it is 2 times less.

Well, you are ...
It would be necessary to increase the "sturgeon" ...

[Ka-52]

come on, increase it. We pass the DPRM at 380, we enter the landing course at 300. At 280 we release the flaps at 15, 280 we begin to descend, we extend the flaps, the descent speed is 230, we select the demolition, we go along the runway axis, we align at 8-10, landing at 50 after the start of the runway , parachutes, squeeze the brakes, 500 for a run, levers to 0 according to UPRT2.
ps minus do not forget to put

[Bez 310]

Quote: Ka-52

minus don't forget to put

I will not put a minus.
But the fact is that knowledge of some technologies when performing a landing does not in any way speak about the length of the run. Moreover, there is some kind of nonsense in these "technologies" - "DPRM 380, we are entering landing 300, ... the rate of descent is 230 ...".
In general, do not touch the "sturgeon", but teach the materiel. Perhaps you are talking about something of your own, and I did not understand you ...

[ancient]

Quote: Ka-52

DPRM pass at 380

Well, let's ... for a start, let's designate G as ..... otherwise for the Tu-22 this is a mode close to stall, and for the Tu-22M this is the mode of entering the glide path and the beginning of flaps at 40 degrees.

Quote: Ka-52

We are entering the landing course at 300.

What is it like???? As a rule, it is recommended that the pilot, after completing the 4th turn, take the landing course or ... complete all "movements" up to a distance of 10-12 km.

Quote: Ka-52

At 280, it releases flaps at 15

At that moment, when you perform this "manipulation" .. then your grave, well, and the crew members who do not have time to react to your thoughtless actions, will be in almost the same place (on the projection onto the earth's surface).
Concepts as Vmin.exp. and V min add. do they say anything to you?
Flaps and 15-degree slats are produced from the 3rd to the 4th turn at a speed of 450 km / h.

Quote: Ka-52

280 we begin the descent, we extend the flaps,

Before entering the glide path, we have V380 and at this speed we begin to release at 40g, so that to a distance of 8 and an altitude of 400 meters we have a stable descent mode at a speed of 350-360 km / h.
DPRM - passage 350-360, BPRM 340-350, alignment 330, runway end 310-320, touch 280-300.
That's all for Gpos 76-78 t.

Quote: Ka-52

landing at 50 after the start of the runway

Considering that the ramp to the runway is just 10-15 meters ... then your grave ... just will be there ... although no ... I wrote above ... at such speeds you will fall much earlier .. ...

Quote: Ka-52

ps minus do not forget to put

And for what minus ...... ???? Although the desire to kill and ditch the crew .. would be worth it.

[ancient]

Quote: Ka-52

for takeoff with useful enough 2-2.2

Did you fly Tu-22M a lot? ... In principle, to perform a circle flight with a refueling of 12-16 tons (and all 0 fit well

Quote: Ka-52

For planting 1200 officially, in practice it is 2 times less.

So it needs to sit down then with the calculation of 50 meters ... well, or on a zebra ... and with the remainder of 6-8 tons ... but excuse me ... it's like ... 2 times less ???

[akarfoxhound]

You know, there is an inner "doubt" that this opponent is a graduate of the Chelyabinsk Navigation School, "studied" optional in the Tu-22M training course, and after graduation got on a turntable (there are now many of them on the Mi-8 and Ka-52). In the second half of the 90s and in the 2000s, “marvelous specimens” began to come to the regiments, I’ll say right away that they have no aerodynamics, they don’t even blush in the tests, because they don’t even blush at the tests, because most often the lifting force formula drives you into a stupor there is nothing further to dig. ... I can't imagine who in CHVVAUSh answers it, but zeros come without a glimpse.

[ancient]

Quote: akarfoxhound

I can't imagine who in CHVVAUSh answers it, but zeros come without a glimpse.

This "quote", with your consent ... I'll take it for myself ... I usually used "... 0 ... and not just 0, but a square one ... you can't even roll it over ... . "
And as far as I remember, after communicating with the navigators, they, as such, do not have Aerodynamics ... there is a course on ... flight theory ... and what is there ... you have already clearly described everything

[Anachoret]

the main thing is that they have good cover) and the place is excellent for controlling the entire Mediterranean region))

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Anchorite

the main thing is that they have good cover) and the place is excellent for controlling the entire Mediterranean region))

God forbid, the planes will be there on a permanent basis. Let it itch in all places ... Russia has the right to defend itself!

[ancient]

Quote: Anchorite

the main thing is that they have a good cover)

When the airbase is located, it is necessary only 280 km from Khmeimim ... what kind of cover will help?

Quote: Anchorite

and the place is great for controlling the whole Mediterranean region))

For Tu-95 (142), Il-38, A-50, Tu-214 ... yes ... I agree ... even for Su-34 with new BKR

[Maz]

But how alarmed in Israel, you would read the comments! Oh wei, they will bomb us, urgently need to take action, well, what about the center of the world?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Maz

But how alarmed in Israel, you would read the comments!

Please one comment
WHILE READ

Simultaneously with the development of Operation Kavkaz, the formation of units and formations began. For sending to Egypt was selected 32 thousand Soviet generals, officers and soldiers. By March 1970, the grouping of Soviet troops in Egypt included:

18th special-purpose anti-aircraft missile division (commander Major General A.G. Smirnov, personnel strength - 1.5 thousand people) as part of 4 anti-aircraft missile brigades (had the designation of regiments):
1st air defense brigade / 559 air defense brigade (commander Colonel B.I. Zhaivoronok);
2nd air defense brigade / 582 air defense brigade (commander Lieutenant Colonel N.A. Rudenko);
3rd air defense brigade / 564 air defense brigade (commander Major V. Belousov);
4th Airborne Brigade (commander Colonel Shumilov);
Center for Electronic Warfare (commanded by Lieutenant Colonel A.K. Ismakov).
a fighter aviation group (senior group Major General of Aviation G.U. Dolnikov) consisting of:
35th separate fighter squadron (30 MiG-21MF, 42 pilots - commander Colonel Yu.V. Nastenko);
135th Fighter Aviation Regiment (40 MiG-21MF, 60 pilots - commander Colonel K.K. Korotyuk);
90th separate long-range reconnaissance squadron for special purposes (Tu-16R, Be-12, Tu-16P, Il-38);
a detachment of ships of the Black Sea, Baltic and Northern fleets as part of the 5th ("Mediterranean" ") squadron of the USSR Navy;
a group of military advisers and specialists (Chief Military Adviser (GVS) and senior group of military specialists Colonel-General IS Katyshkin (1968-1970), he is also the commander-in-chief of the Soviet special forces group in Egypt.
Well, who was alarmed by a couple of planes that Russia declared war on Israel?
ENOUGH TO WRITE A LIE!

[ancient]

Quote: Ka-52

half of the previous runway length would be enough to land the Tu-22.

Just in case, I will tell you that in the recommendations for the flight manual of Tu-22 (K.RiP) aircraft, it is recommended to operate at airfields with runways of at least 3000 meters.
The main method of braking is ..... release of the brake parachute !!!

[opuonmed]

well and good!

[Split]

They need to dump the Orthodox pork ala this:


ZY Beautiful birds and deadly

[Prisoner]

Why fly here and there, burn kerosene? They will iron "on the spot".

[Fedor M]

Khmeimima is quite enough "irons"

[venik]

".... All this will allow Moscow to control the skies over Syria and send supersonic bombers to other destinations remote from Syria. For example, to Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh ...."
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Well, right! And then the Yankees got used to the idea of ​​their own exclusivity. Now let them get used to the idea that not only they are "great" have the right to defend their own interests far from their borders!

[Petro_tut]

".... All this will allow Moscow to control the skies over Syria

monsieur, bombers do not control the sky, they work on the surface

[venik]

Quote: Petro_tut

monsieur, bombers do not control the sky, they work on the surface

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Well, first of all: bombing strikes on airfields and positions of air defense systems and enemy radars are also an essential element of the struggle for gaining air superiority (that is, control "over the sky") ...
And secondly: this is a quote from the media, given in the article, and therefore it is taken in brackets !!!

[ancient]

Quote: venik

bomb attacks on airfields and positions of air defense systems and enemy radars

Already somehow and somewhere "tried" .. you know how it ended?
So for the "Papuans" and "barmaley" ... you can ... but ... for the rest ... how do you write ..... it is rather cumbersome

[ancient]

Quote: venik

other destinations far from Syria. For example, to Libya

Practically ..... "under the fence" and then ... strictly in a straight line in the mode of the most advantageous "favored" (according to H, V and practically ... b \ k ... little, little).

Quote: venik

and Nagorno-Karabakh .... "

From Mozdok ... so in general ... nearby and all the infrastructure is debugged and ready.

[venik]

Quote: ancient

Quote: venik
and Nagorno-Karabakh .... "

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Pancake! This is NOT I wrote: this is a QUOTE of foreign media, given in article! What I did not emphasize in italics, so the computer "glitch" - did not want to insert italics!
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Quote: ancient

From Mozdok ... so in general ... nearby and all the infrastructure is debugged and ready.

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The answer is the same!

[akarfoxhound]

Generally speaking, it is "easier" to get Tu-22 from the operating point of Mozdok to Karabakh than from Sandbox, what was it dragged into here?

[kit88]

Horror catch up.
It doesn't matter how it really is, what matters is what The Times writes about it. (C)

[rotmistr60]

In connection with this event, the Americans suddenly remembered that these bombers can carry a new weapon - the threat of aircraft carriers. This topic began to be exaggerated in the Western media with conclusions about a new threat from Russia and the escalation of tension in the region. Expected and predictable. It is only NATO aircraft (including strategic bombers) that are allowed to fly even along our borders in the Baltic, the Black Sea, and the Pacific Ocean, and we must sit still and clap our hands at the next flight of a NATO aircraft.

[Fedor M]

I also think that this is a dual-use Tu 22 maneuver. Not only control Syria and the Mediterranean Sea too

[Zaurbek]

There is no need for Tu160 .... and Tu22 too. There from all sides NATO and their surveillance radars ... and Israel on the other side. They won't even let you take off ... We need anti-ship missiles and anti-ship missiles for tactical fighters ... and a base somewhere in Libya with AWACS aircraft and reconnaissance aircraft

[tralflot1832]

Yesterday, the respected alexmach explained why the TU22M3 flew from Hieimima under the left wing. X 22 is an old, kind rocket. As I understand it, this is not what we need now. 3 three planes, three missiles need something more. But on the other hand, this was enough , what a pleasant squeal on their part. We entered their fiefdom. Standard: And we are for what !!!

[tralflot1832]

X 22 is an ancient missile, with a range of 600 km (you cannot approach an aircraft carrier without problems), a warhead of up to 900 kg. The only "bun" can be a warhead with a capacity of up to 1 Mgt.

[Bez 310]

Quote: tralflot1832

range 600 km

Not by ships.

[tralflot1832]

Return everyone to Khmeimim and wait for proto-ship missiles chtoli, if they threaten, it turns out just one area of ​​the sea and shooting across the squares !!!

[ancient]

Quote: Bez 310

Not by ships.

Yes, and not for military equipment and objects of strategic nuclear weapons ... "will it be too much ... 600 versts"?

[Bez 310]

Quote: ancient

600 versts

So they are like about PSI, but they themselves do not know about it ...
Perhaps there was no need to disappoint them.

[ancient]

Quote: Bez 310

So they are the type about PSI,

So I know

Quote: Bez 310

Perhaps there was no need to disappoint them.

Well, I agree with that ..... otherwise .... everything " grunting "will come to naught

[ancient]

Quote: tralflot1832

X 22 ancient rocket, range 600 km

This is only if you reset "emergency".

[tihonmarine]

The Russians are thus increasing military power on NATO's southern flank and strategic control over North Africa.

North Africa and Russia are close, but America is far away, and since it is far away, don't chirp and deal with African Americans.

[A. Privalov]

Theoretical reach of Tu-22.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: A. Privalov

Theoretical reach of Tu-22.

And also in the Crimea near Simferopol! These already cover the whole of Europe!

[ancient]

Quote: A. Privalov

The theoretical reach of the Tu-22.

For the Tu-22R ... yes ... but for the Tu-22m it is ... "desirable ......".

[Petro_tut]

Why did everyone forget about the periodic shelling of Khmeimim for joy?
It is at least not rational to put a few expensive trhnika under a possible blow, at least it is not rational, such bases must be equipped in the depths of Syria ...

[rocket757]

Russia intends to keep bombers in Syria on a permanent basis, this will strengthen the capabilities of its air force in the Mediterranean. The Russians are thus increasing military power on NATO's southern flank and strategic control over North Africa

... And others, likewise, do not enhance their operational capabilities. Eka is unseen.

[Skipper]

Tu-22M3 is a carrier of three near-hypersonic KR Kh-32 with a flight range of 1000 km and a speed of 5400 km / h (Mach 4.6). The total combat radius of the Tu-22M3 is 2400 km + 1000 km, the range of the X-32 - can you sense how much space this bomber will control from this base?

[Niko]

If it is possible to CONTROL the Majahideen, plus or minus, it is possible, albeit with reservations.

[Grits]

Quote: Skipper

Do you feel how much space this bomber will control from this base?

Only that space where there are no potential "partners" for air defense. Or has NATO already canceled air defense?

[ancient]

Quote: Skipper

Tu-22M3 carrier of three

No.

Quote: Skipper

Do you feel how much space this bomber will control from this base?

No

[prior]

"The Russians are thus increasing military power on NATO's southern flank and strategic control over North Africa."

Just music to the ears.
And the takeoff was lengthened there so that not only the Tu-22 would land, but also the "swans"
They will sing in chorus even more heartfelt.

[Skipper]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Skipper

Do you feel how much space this bomber will control from this base?

Only that space where there are no potential "partners" for air defense. Or has NATO already canceled air defense?

What is the maximum range of the NATO air defense system in this region? With the X-32 with a range of 1000 km, don't care about this air defense. Start in any hands will be out of reach.

[ancient]

Quote: Skipper

What is the maximum range of the NATO air defense system in this region?

Do you know NATO airbases in the Mediterranean theater of operations?
You are just going to "hang" your .... X-32 ... and you will already have .. "guests".
Not to mention AUG and KUG

[Vladimir61]

"Russians increase power on NATO's southern flank"

Oh, these Russians, well, they just don't let everyone breathe, and most of all, apparently the Bulgarians ... Don't touch the Russians, stick your myths about the Russian threat in the ass of your "masters" and breathe deeply!

[Andrey1966]

Quote: Ka-52

come on, increase it. We pass the DPRM at 380, we enter the landing course at 300. At 280 we release the flaps at 15, 280 we begin to descend, we extend the flaps, the descent speed is 230, we select the demolition, we go along the runway axis, we align at 8-10, landing at 50 after the start of the runway , parachutes, squeeze the brakes, 500 for a run, levers to 0 according to UPRT2.
ps minus do not forget to put

"Uncle Petya, are you a shit?" ©

[Bare]

CLASS !!! HERE SO TO HOLD !!!

[Dkuznecov]

Is the "Bulgarian military" edition called?
It's funny in itself.

[Yuriy71]

"All this will allow Moscow to control the skies over Syria and send supersonic bombers to other destinations remote from Syria. For example, to Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh" - Just ridiculous !!! And on Bases of France, Italy, Israel, Spain - not ho-ho?)))