May 25 - Philologist's Day: on the origin of some words in Russian

On May 25, the Day of the Philologist is celebrated in our country. Voennoye Obozreniye could not ignore this topic for the simple reason that the Russian language is one of the foundations of the national identity of millions of fellow citizens, a symbol of the unity of various peoples living in our country. At the same time, specialists in the field of philology are real guides to the world of language and traditional culture.

Today the Russian language is openly persecuted in a number of countries around the world. This struggle is being waged by all methods available to the "elites" of such countries. In Ukraine, the Baltic countries prohibit teaching in Russian, communicating in it in the media, and using it in documents. This is despite the fact that at least 70 percent of the population speaks Russian in the same Ukraine to one degree or another.

But, as they say, let's not talk about sad things. On Philologist's Day, it is worth talking about the Russian language as such, including the origin of some words.

One of the directions for research activities is associated with the definition of the so-called primordial Russian (Slavic) words, as well as words that came to us from other languages ​​and were Russified or remained unchanged.

The word "consent" sounds like it is quite primordial. At the same time, we can say that it is a Russian-language copy of the Greek word "symphony" - a combination, unity of voices.

The word "military" is, of course, from the word "war". Where did this word come from? Experts say that this is a common Slavic word derived from the word "howl" (consonance - "battle"), which means "warrior", "fighter". Although there are also some nuances discussed by philologists and linguists.

The Russian language is the richest language. And this is our common wealth, which has been created for centuries, developed, transformed.

The famous Russian specialist, philologist, linguist, polyglot Dmitry Petrov tells about the Russian language and the origin of words on Day TV:

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[SERGE ANT]

The Russian language is the richest language. And this is our common wealth

[Anachoret]

take care of your tongue from a young age)))

[Shurik70]

The comments were more enjoyable than the video itself.
By the way, I’m wondering what word the word “pleasure” comes from. The ancestors clearly understood how to invent words correctly

[Anachoret]

This is when you give free rein)))
there was little entertainment then and it all came down to at least one thing))) do you think why there were so many children in families?
because there was no XBOX and PS)) and all sorts of tanks)

[Konnick]

By the way, I was wondering from what word the word "pleasure

For example, the word for admiration, delight in Sanskrit UHTA, is very similar to our exclamation "wow".
So "pleasure" can be compared with exclamation UU..YES

[antivirus]

how do you spell the word "aircraft carrier"? and how to replace it to speed up the construction of air platforms at sea?

[Konnick]

At one time, the first high-rise building in Moscow, the Nirnzee house, was named after the American skyscraper skyscraper.
Aircraft carrier obtained in English aircraft quarry those. we need to rename aircraft carriers to airborne quarry

[Victorio]

Quote: Konnick

The aircraft carrier turns out in English aircraft quarry laughing i.e. we need to rename aircraft carriers to airborne quarry

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carrier - carrier. then it's closer - an airplane carrier

[Konnick]

carrier - carrier. then it's closer - an airplane carrier

No one doubts, just an analogue in Russian is a courier. Let there be an air force delivery courier. This is a joke.

[Victorio]

Quote: Konnick

carrier - carrier. then it's closer - an airplane carrier

No one doubts, just an analogue in Russian is courier... Let there be an air force delivery courier. This is a joke.

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career you wrote. borrowed from French once. by the way, my place of birth is in my birth certificate: the village of quarry

[Konnick]

career you wrote. borrowed from French once

To carry in translation to carry, i.e. carrier is literally a carrier or carrier, but it also matters as a transport for the transport of military cargo. Craft in English has many meanings from business, occupation, craft to ship, ship. If you literally translate Aircraftcarrier, then you get a ship for carrying air, but you can translate craft from a German force.

[alex neym_2]

Request - read out the entire list ...

[TANKISTONE]

Alternatively:

[Alexander Kopychev]

About a glass, a fork, a bird, a plate and a frying pan
Many people think that the Russian language is logical. And try to explain to a foreigner why the glass is on the table, the fork lies, and the bird sits on the tree ...

For example, in front of us is a table. A glass and a fork are on the table. What are they doing? The glass is standing, but the fork is lying. If we stick a fork into the tabletop, the fork will stand. That is, there are vertical objects, and horizontal ones?

Add a plate and a frying pan to the table. They seem to be horizontal, but they stand on the table.

Now put the plate in the pan. There she lies, but stood on the table. Maybe there are items ready for use? No, the fork was ready when she lay.

Now the cat climbs on the table. She can stand, sit and lie down. If in terms of standing and lying it somehow creeps into the “vertical – horizontal” logic, then sitting is a new property. She sits on the pope.

Now a bird has sat down on the table. She sits on the table, but sits on her feet, not on her butt. Although it seems to be supposed to stand. But she cannot stand at all. But if we kill the poor bird and make a stuffed animal, it will stand on the table ...

It may seem that sitting is an attribute of the living, but the boot also sits on the leg, although it is not alive and has no priests. So, go and understand what is standing, what is lying, and what is sitting.

And we are still surprised that foreigners find our language difficult and compare with Chinese.

[Motorist]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

And we are still surprised that foreigners find our language difficult and compare with Chinese.

German is also full of secrets: an der Wand (on wall), on dem Tisch (on table), include on (stop it) include zu (listen) um zu (in order to). The gopher is not visible, but he is somewhere ...

And for once, I can assume that the word "manipulator" (that is, a control body) in no way acquired a negative connotation, like the one-root verb "manipulate".

Participants - happy holiday!

[Bulair]

The basis of the Russian language is the so-called. "Church Slavonic language", which in its essence is the Old Bulgarian language.

https://newsland.com/user/4295142918/content/russkii-iazyk-dialekt-bolgarskogo/2189876

[Konnick]

The basis of the Russian language is the so-called. "Church Slavonic language", which in its essence is the Old Bulgarian language

It is a big mistake, the Church Slavonic language has nothing to do with Russian, except for its Slavic origin. This is the Macedonian dialect of the Bulgarian language, a language that was native to Cyril and Methodius. They were the first to translate church scriptures from Greek into Slavic. Then Nikon had to correct the mistakes they made during the translation.
And Russian was even before Cyril and Methodius, it is easier to read the language of birch bark letters than this Bulgarian.

[pytar]

The basis of the Russian language is the so-called. "Church Slavonic language", which in its essence is the Old Bulgarian language.

This fact is recognized by many scientists. I am glad that Russian politicians have finally begun to admit the truth.
https://rg.ru/2021/05/24/posol-rf-rol-bolgarii-v-formirovanii-slavianskoj-kultury-bescenna-i-neosporima.html
“Dear friends, there is no doubt that the role of Bulgaria in the formation and dissemination of Slavic writing, language and culture is priceless and undeniable,” emphasized in her address the Ambassador of the Russian Federation in Sofia, E. Mitrofanova. The diplomat also quoted the words of the famous Russian scientist Dmitry Likhachev: "Bulgaria gave the Eastern Slavs the highest layer of the language, the" pole of spirituality ", which greatly enriched our language, which gave our language moral strength, the ability to elevate thought, concepts, ideas".

[Paul]

Nobody denies the mutual influence of languages. Undoubtedly, the penetration of Byzantine culture into Russia brought with it the borrowed linguistic elements of the peoples of the Eastern Roman Empire. However, to see the direct origin of Russian from Bulgarian is to oversimplify the process. It might as well be argued that modern Bulgarian is the result of a fusion of Sanskrit, Latin and Turkish.

[pytar]

Dear Pavel, I will repeat again: We are not talking only about linguistics, grammar or philology! The influence is much deeper! It's about the spiritual component, as Akad Likhachev said very accurately! You just need to carefully read his short lines and think about their meaning!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Bulair

The basis of the Russian language is the so-called. "Church Slavonic language", which in its essence is the Old Bulgarian language.

Well yes. Before the baptism of Rus and the emergence of the "Church Slavonic language", they did not speak at all in Russia. After all, in your opinion, the Russian language did not have a "foundation" before the appearance of "Old Bulgarian".

[pytar]

Well yes. Before the baptism of Rus and the emergence of the "Church Slavonic language", they did not speak at all in Russia. After all, in your opinion, the Russian language did not have a "foundation" before the appearance of "Old Bulgarian".

Apparently you don't quite understand ... I deliberately put D. Likhachev's words in bold! It is very clear there!

"Bulgaria gave the Eastern Slavs the upper layer of the tongue, "pole of spirituality", which has greatly enriched our language, has given our language moral strength, the ability to elevate thought, concepts, ideas. "

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

Apparently you don't quite understand ...

But how can I really ...

Quote: pytar

words of D. Likhachev! It is very clear there!

And you try to turn on your brains. Why is it much easier for me to understand Polish than Bulgarian? How does this happen? The Poles, unlike the Bulgarians, according to you and Likhachev, did not lay any "foundations of the Russian language".
I want to say that there are fewer differences between Polish and Russian than between Bulgarian and Russian. This is the first thing. Second. In Russia, no one except the churchmen used the "Church Slavonic" language. This is not the language of the people. And not a literary language. Therefore, the Bulgarians did not give anything to the Russian language, which the people spoke and speaks. Of course, apart from individual words that can occur in any of the Slavic languages.

[pytar]

And you try to turn on your brains.

You really don't understand. We are not talking about the degree of similarity of the Slavic languages, about their grammar or linguistics. Read again the words Acad. Likhachev. The passage is very short, but very informative.
Under the "upper layer of the language", Acad. Likhachov undergoes a civilization code. This is the spiritual / conceptual / code of the Christian Orthodox civilization "translated", "rethought" in ancient Bulgaria, for itself and for the Eastern Slavs. Patriarch of All Russia Kiril says on this occasion that without Medieval Bulgaria, Russia would not be what it is now.

I want to say that there are fewer differences between Polish and Russian than between Bulgarian and Russian.

You are talking about linguistics. In the early Middle Ages, all Slavic languages ​​were much closer than they are now. For a number of reasons, the Bulgarian language evolved significantly relative to the Old Bulgarian / Church Slavonic / of that time. He is less like him than modern Russian. And Russian and Polish have changed less in their evolution and, accordingly, the differentiation between them is weaker. In general, all languages ​​are divided into - synthetic and analytical. Initially all synthetic. From time to time, evolving, they pass in an analytical form. The transition period depends on many factors and can last for centuries or even millennia. All current Slavic languages, for now, remain synthetic, with the exception of the Bulgarian and ego Macedonian dialect. They are analytical.

In Russia, no one except the churchmen used the "Church Slavonic" language. This is not the language of the people. And not a literary language.

You don't really understand. I repeat: This is not about grammar or linguistics, although there is such influence too! Here we are talking about something completely different - about the civilization code that formed the Eastern Slavic Orthodox culture, its spiritual component! For the Western world, the Christian-Catholic civilization code was deduced in Latin. And Western civilization was formed as such, with its own characteristics, despite the fact that Latin, except for priests, few understood. Old Bulgarian Slavs fully understood, it was close to their local dialects. Accordingly, it was easier for them to perceive this spirituality than, for example, if it was in Latin or Greek.
In this sense, Acad. Likhachov calls medieval Bulgaria the State of the Spirit.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

Old Bulgarian Slavs fully understood, it was close to their local dialects.

How do you know this? Did the "Slavs" tell you about this?

Quote: pytar

Here we are talking about something completely different - about the civilization code that formed the East Slavic Orthodox culture, its spiritual

I understand that the awareness that Bulgaria has blessed Russia by providing it with a "civilizational code" "warms your soul". If it were not for the Bulgarians, Russia would have remained soulless.
You are funny, together with Likhachev.

[Konnick]

funny, together with Likhachev

There are no other languages ​​as many Turkisms as in Bulgarian. Twice the Turkic language has visited the Bulgarian land. The first is together with Khan Asparukh and his Bulgars, the second with the Ottoman sultanate. In fact, it is ridiculous to consider the Macedonian dialect of the Bulgarian language as a significant event for the formation of the modern Russian language. Latin also played a big role due to the fact that science used this language.

[pytar]

There are no other languages ​​as many Turkisms as in Bulgarian. Twice the Turkic language has visited the Bulgarian land.

Controversial consolidation, though yes, there are many Turkic borrowings in Bulgarian. They are in Russian and in all peoples who have contact with the Turks. This is normal, the languages ​​are constantly enriched with reciprocal from other languages.

In fact, it is ridiculous to consider the Macedonian dialect of the Bulgarian language a significant event for the formation of the modern Russian language.

We are talking not so much about linguistics as about the spiritually semantic / conceptual / layer. And this is not a unique case in world history, there are many examples.

Latin also played a big role due to the fact that science used this language.

In the field of science, of course, this is the case. Different cultures flourished in different areas and periodically, respectively, influenced one or another area of ​​human knowledge. Arabian, Persian, French, German, Anglo-Saxon, etc.

[pytar]

How do you know this? Did the "Slavs" tell you about this?

Historians say so. Yes, and it is logical. If we still understand 1000 years after the Slavs divided, then it was even easier earlier.

I understand that the awareness that Bulgaria has blessed Russia by providing it with a "civilizational code" "warms your soul".

The word goodness means good / good, no-corporeal / deed / action /. And yes, really doing good deeds warms the soul.

You are funny, together with Likhachev.

Perhaps I'm funny, I have no claim to "first instance", but about Aka demik Likhachev, you hardly have the competence to judge.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

Perhaps I'm funny, I have no claim to "first instance", but about Aka demik Likhachev, you hardly have the competence to judge.

Boyan, the point here is not in my competence, but in the absence of direct evidence of Likhachev's statements. This is just a "flight of thought" of a person who, like you and me, also has the right to make mistakes.
The academician needed this "flight of thought" in order to emphasize his importance. After all, no one can refute him, as well as prove him right. Therefore, his statement is an empty sound, a simple vibration of the air. Simply by this statement, he wanted to raise his image, as they say now.

[pytar]

Science is not always based on direct evidence, since in many cases they are destroyed or covered in the dust of time. Not only Likhachev made such conclusions, many other scientists reached a similar opinion. I am not an expert on these issues,
but the logic of events and the known facts largely match. In the 9th century, the medieval Bulgarian kingdom reached the peak of its power. In terms of population, it is included in the top 6 European countries. The Bulgarian culture and writing is developing especially powerfully! Christianity was accepted, the Cyrillic alphabet was created in Bulgaria, and book activity flourished. The period is called "The Golden Age, Bulgarian Writing and Culture". The reason for this rapid development is in intense competition with Byzantium. It is interesting that Byzantium, being a cultural civilizational center, actively helps the Bulgarians with the hope of infiltrating and assimilating us. It didn’t work, because we accepted this culture, Bulgarianized it, reformatted it for ourselves! Instead of blurring the Bulgarian identity, its accelerated formation happens! A nation arose that had strong braces, which allowed it to heal in incredibly difficult conditions for many centuries.
What is the contribution of Bulgaria to the culture of the Eastern Slavs? Medieval bulg. the culture is adaptive, it is easily perceived by coming to a close understandable language. Essentially Bulgar. culture is the adaptation / development of the Byzantine culture with its enormous semantic and spiritual wealth in a convenient application for the Slavs.
Whether we should be proud of ourselves is a matter of personal choice. It is unlikely that Boris and Simeon had the goal of "exporting" this culture, it was important for them to solve their local state problems. And the fact that it went far beyond the borders of what was then Bulgaria is most likely an "extraneous effect" as a result of its quality.
Russia is silent / denies the contribution of Bulgaria for political and ideological reasons.
Well ... their business is not for us to judge.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

but the logic of events and the known facts largely match.

Boyan, what other EVENTS and what LOGIC correspond to Likhachev's statements?
Nowhere is the influence of Bulgaria on the life of Russia traced, in contrast to Byzantium.
And the adoption of the Cyrillic alphabet happened for the sake of the Christianization of Russia. Christians banned the pre-Christian writing of Russia. But she was.

Quote: pytar

What is the contribution of Bulgaria to the culture of the Eastern Slavs? Medieval bulg. the culture is adaptive, it is easily perceived by coming to a close understandable language. Essentially Bulgar. culture is the adaptation / development of the Byzantine culture with its enormous semantic and spiritual wealth in a convenient application for the Slavs.

All these are just words - "the seventh water on jelly", an idle fiction.

[pytar]

Strange, they erased my detailed commentary, where I gave links and quotes about the work of scientists working on the topic.

[Max otto]

Usually I have always supported you, but not this time. Real philologists deny the origin of the Russian language from the Old Bulgarian. In addition, they also deny the origin of the Russian language from Church Slavonic. And yes, as Comrade Krasnoyarsk wrote, no one except the clergy wrote in Church Slavonic. Well, he didn't speak accordingly. There are also profile videos on YouTube. For example, the channel "Mikitko son of Alekseev" from what I remember, I found it somehow by accident, I watched instead of TV for a week, I could not stop. .

[pytar]

Real philologists deny the origin of the Russian language from the Old Bulgarian.

There are many who have argued otherwise. But it seems to me that most of you are confused with the topic of language, philology, linguistics with the topic of culture and spirituality. They are related, but they are different things.
For example - Western Catholic spiritual culture on one side and on the other the Latin language, which, despite the fact that at that time was "dead", carried the civilizational code of this culture.
The analogue of the Eastern Slavs is the Christian Orthodox spiritual culture, or rather its Bulgarian translation on one side, and on the other the Old Bulgarian language, which was then used in Bulgaria and was understandable for the Slavs.
You see, ideology and language are two of the milestones of civilizations!
It is a pity that the admins erased my comment, where there were a lot of links and quotes from well-known researchers on that very issue!

[Max otto]

Here is an article about language, which directs to linguistics and philology, art and spirituality are indirectly involved here. For example, Catholicism greatly influenced the culture and spirituality of the Poles with the Czechs, but practically did not affect their languages ​​in any way. Polish, and even more so Czech, transformed over time much less than Russian.

[pytar]

Yes. And there is. Philologist's Day!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

I think most of you are confused with the topic of language, philology, linguistics with the topic of culture and spirituality.

Boyan, you, together with Likhachev, affirm that Bulgaria has left a very noticeable mark on the development of culture and spirituality in Russia. Point me to this trail. In Russian chronicles, Bulgaria is hardly remembered, in contrast to Byzantium.
Not quotes from the works of Bulgarian scientists, but the material trace that Bulgaria left in the culture of Russia.

[pytar]

Point me to this trail. In Russian chronicles, Bulgaria is hardly remembered, in contrast to Byzantium. Not quotations from the works of Bulgarian scientists, but the material trace that Bulgaria left in the culture of Russia.

In my previous commentary to you, which turned out to be very long, I put a lot of references and quotes from research. It's all about Russian scientists. Unfortunately, for a reason not clear to me, the administration of the site erased the ego.
You yourself can search by writing in the search engine "the influence of medieval bulgaria on Russia", or a similar phrase.
As for the material trail, it is more about the spiritual, namely the formation of Russian culture and civilizational model. In fact, this model is the continuation and development of the Old Bulgarian. He is Russian, but an important part of his foundation, together with other influences, is Bulgarian.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

hi
As for the material trail, it is more about the spiritual, namely the formation of Russian culture and civilizational model. In fact, this model is the continuation and development of the Old Bulgarian. He is Russian, but an important part of his foundation, together with other influences, is Bulgarian.

With the same success, having more reason, I can talk about the most important contribution of Russia to the spiritual development of Bulgaria as a result of the capture of Dorostol by Svyatoslav and the occupation of most of Bulgaria. Russia had more opportunities to influence Bulgaria than Bulgaria did to Russia.
As far as I understand, the Normanists have rivals in the person of the Bulgarianists.? Listen to you, the Russians are not capable of anything on their own. The Bulgarians and the Normans created everything for them.

[pytar]

With the same success, having more reason, I can talk about the most important contribution of Russia to the spiritual development of Bulgaria as a result of the capture of Dorostol by Svyatoslav and the occupation of most of Bulgaria.

It was with this event that the "contribution" was to put it mildly disastrous. Apart from ruin, Svyatoslav did not bring anything else to Bulgaria. This invasion was the reason for the decline and fall of the first Bulgarian kingdom.

Russia had more opportunities to influence Bulgaria than Bulgaria did to Russia.

Chronologically, it would be more accurate to say not Russia, but Russia. When Bulgaria fell into darkness for long 5 centuries, the flame of the Bulgarian medieval culture was transferred to Russia, it became an impetus for the most powerful development of Russian culture. Russia has become Russia! The Russian culture is unique, but the Old Bulgarian culture sits at its foundations, which also has its foundations in the previous ones and in the neighboring Byzantine one. After its rise, Russia, which became a world power, had a huge influence already on Bulgaria, returning this flame to its source. It's like a common blood vessel.

Listen to you, the Russians are not capable of anything on their own. The Bulgarians and the Normans created everything for them.

Strange judgment. Most civilizational models are derivatives of the same. They get uniqueness in the course of evolution, as in living nature. Russian culture was created by Russians. Hardly anyone will argue with this. This does not mean that it arose out of nowhere out of nowhere! It results in different influences, different borrowings, in which the Bulgarian has an essential role.
Here's a simple example: One took and invented the wheel. The second thought of making a hole in the wheels, and put the stick as an axle. And the third from all this made taliga. This is how it is.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

Svyatoslav of Bulgaria. This invasion was the reason for the decline and fall of the first Bulgarian kingdom.

And for CHANGE of culture and spirituality. Is not it? I am not saying positively or negatively. I'm talking about CHANGE. And this is the impact on culture and spirituality.
Bulgaria did not capture Russia and therefore 3, 5 or 10 people from Bulgaria, like a grain of sand in the desert, were not able to make some CHANGES in the cultural and spiritual life of Russia.
The invasion of Batu made such changes in the life of Rus, but not Bulgaria.
I agree with you that any culture is subject to mutual influence. Little. Slightly.
And your statement about the SIGNIFICANT influence of Bulgaria on the culture and spirituality of Russia has no basis at all.

[pytar]

And for CHANGE of culture and spirituality. Is not it? I am not saying positively or negatively. I'm talking about CHANGE. And this is the impact on culture and spirituality.

Of course, when a war is waged on one territory for years, ruin, desolation sets in, spiritual culture falls into decay. In that sense, CHANGES are undeniably coming.

Bulgaria did not capture Russia and therefore 3, 5 or 10 people from Bulgaria, like a grain of sand in the desert, were not able to make some CHANGES in the cultural and spiritual life of Russia.

We are not talking about some 3-5-10 people, we are talking about a lot of people, about a huge spiritual cultural influence that has far-reaching consequences. There is a form, there is a content! This is about content.

I agree with you that any culture is subject to mutual influence. Little. Slightly.

In fact, the influence can be insignificant, and it can be very significant, as in the given case.

And your statement about the SIGNIFICANT influence of Bulgaria on the culture and spirituality of Russia has no basis at all.

This is not my hardening. Bulgarian culture is recognized by many historical, political and personalities as one of the world's foundational ones. I am glad that many Russian leaders think so too.
In Russia, there has always been a problem with identification. The problem is purely political. It is somehow inconvenient to admit that such a huge empire can have cultural foundations brought from outside. Ideologically not acceptable.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

This is not my hardening. Bulgarian culture is recognized by many historical, political and personalities as one of the world's foundational ones.

Today, Ukraine and its "historians" assert the same. So, you didn't manage to surprise me. In this regard, you are so similar to the Ukrainians. So, you will figure out which of you is the main one in the development of world culture.

[pytar]

Today, Ukraine and its "historians" assert the same. So, you didn't manage to surprise me. In this regard, you are so similar to the Ukrainians. So, you will figure out which of you is the main one in the development of world culture.

Politics! Where it interferes, science goes to the corner. The same is true for the Ross. "historians". You are absolutely alike, you can immediately see that the peoples are kindred! More adequate to look, just those Russian historians and researchers, like Akad Likhachov, who do not come from political and ideological incitement. Their conclusion, of course, is not to the liking of the great imperial nationalists, so you do not surprise me in any way.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

Look more adequate, just those Russian historians and researchers, like Akad. Likhachov, who do not come from political

Not because they are right, but because you like them.

[pytar]

Not because they are right, but because you like them.

Not because they like them, but because they are right.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: pytar

Not because they are right, but because you like them.

Not because they like them, but because they are right.

A bit wrong. You THINK they are right because you like their statements.
Although, in fact, this is not a statement at all, but an assumption. But you really liked this assumption and you developed a vigorous activity here, setting this assumption as the ultimate truth.

[Skay]

The Russian language is the richest language.

It is impossible to speak Russian without a soul!

[knn54]

Special "thanks" to the People's Commissar Lunacharsky. thanks to the "reform" of which the future generations were practically cut off from the "tsarist book heritage".
"... never a human hand has written anything like what is now written in this spelling."
Ivan Bunin, Russian writer, poet and translator, winner of the 1933 Nobel Prize in Literature.

[paco.soto]

It is impossible to speak Russian without a soul! 

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Wiping an old tear with his beard: oh - so cute - your picture! But! As a translator I say: this is not wealth, but poverty! How can this be translated simultaneously!
The latest case of "the embarrassment of Putin's stoned speechwriters from the cartoon of Soviet Mowgli!" Yes, the whole world of Kipling has not read and knows Disney's Mowgli !, and try to translate them the bottomless depth of Putin's allusions!

[Paul]

Why did you do that?
I think the British are also able to say this with the necessary emotional connotation.

[Free wind]

A corpse, an inanimate object, and the deceased is an animated, chewed mole.

[seacap]

"... Today the Russian language is openly persecuted in a number of countries around the world. This struggle is being waged by all methods available to the" elites "of such countries ..."
And not only, don't we want to start from our own country, as always? By chance I had a chance to hear our (which I deeply doubt) minister from culture and someone else from the nobility, I don’t know, either to show my "coolness and advancement", or from lack of culture and contempt for my country, but half of the terms and definitions were from the "poorest" language on the planet. You listen carefully to the announcers of our television or liberals, especially raging from the permissiveness and impunity of accountants, such as Gref, yes, many deputies, they essentially already have a surzhik, half of the English words, not to mention advertising, one cashback is worth something. And you mean the independent and Baltic bewilderment, and then they can still somehow be understood, but what about the Latvian ...?

[Konnick]

The word "military" is, of course, from the word "war". Where did this word come from? Experts say that this is a common Slavic word derived from the word "howl" (consonance - "battle"), which means "warrior", "fighter". Although there are also some nuances discussed by philologists, linguists

Howl it can be a battle cry. In the Vladimir region there is the Voininga river, in Severomorsk the Vaenga river. In Sanskrit, battle is "howl", and "ga" is the road, gat according to ours, i.e. Voininga road to war.
In the South Slavic languages ​​there used to be many names with the root "warrior"

Perhaps the Volga has something to do with this.

[Konnick]

We love to change the meanings of words, for example, we say - this person is with ambition, and in translation from English honor is translated as honor.

[Konnick]

I will reveal another "military" secret, in Hungarian, dog kutya, does not resemble anything?
And in another Finno-Ugric, namely in Mordovian, the dog is a kitty
Everything is confused in our native language, as Makar Nagulnov said - English is like Russian, only they hiss, get angry, we say revolution, they are revolutionary.
I'll add on my own - English is a very simplified Russian, well, in the style of Nagulnov I will say - we say radish, radish, and the English just hiss - radish.

[Dkuznecov]

And they have a horseradish - horse radish (horse radish)
English is actually a contextual language,
it is useless to learn by words.
There are a huge number of synonyms, but each is used only
in a specific context.
In German, nicht (not), at the end of a phrase,
changes everything said before, to the completely opposite.
In general, the Germans have a rigid linguistic scheme, the ordnung are all too often,
this is not our play on the order of words in a sentence ...

[Motorist]

Quote: DKuznecov

In general, the Germans have a rigid linguistic scheme, the ordnung are all too often

Don't tell me: the articles are skipped in the correct case (perhaps, because they don't know exactly how to speak correctly?), They use the present tense instead of the "near" future (is it more convenient and faster?), Sometimes the sentence structure is not observed. I heard it myself.

[Dkuznecov]

Well ... I was taught to work correctly and with times and with articles.
Maybe you talked to the Swabians, so they generally spat on their tongues.
Or with the Russian Germans, who also have poor knowledge, lost the habit.
In general, Germans have a lot of dialects, which means they have rules.
In our country, the Perm accent is mostly famous, and the Volga accent.

[Motorist]

Quote: DKuznecov

Maybe you spoke with the Swabians

That is not, I listen more than I speak - I will pass for a smart one. Not the Swabians and not the Rusks - the Ostfriesians, but they speak Hochdeutsche. They most likely know how to do it right, but sometimes they shorten and simplify.

[Dkuznecov]

I think this is a problem for any language.
It's impossible to talk to young people at all,
they cannot connect two words.
For the Germans, it is easier - you need to think it over and make up the whole phrase, and then pronounce it.
Here you can jot down words ... and not finish the phrase. They will understand anyway.

[paco.soto]

Neutral opinion: in all "gay European countries" there are Sunday Russian schools where you can pay emigrants and optionally teach your children the Russian language.
In general, the Russian language is losing its distribution destructively. Googling for a short time, first:
https://www.google.es/amp/s/amp.rbc.ru/v/s/amp.rbc.ru/rbcnews/society/28/11/2019/5ddd18099a79473d0d9b0ab1%3famp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%253D%253D?espv=1#ampf=

[Fedorovich]

Help them, sir, restless,

Knowledge thirsty nobles ...

The road is not easy for us,

Father! Heed our aspirations.



Where you do not look - everywhere life is rasshristan;

Possessed by the lust of profit,

The spirit is shallow, but we feel the truth splashes

In the inexhaustible sea of ​​Slavs!



They abhor the shameful itch of huckstering,

Vile vile trade changed,

Craft, art, arable farming -

This is what Thou so sensitively chose for them.



But what a cruel insult

The greedy world gradually threatens them.

Enlighten them with a deep memory,

So that the word becomes like a shield for them.



So that always before the vile intrigue,

In the battle between self-interest and good,

Chosen by their own book,

As in battle with a reliable ax.

Julia Gurkovskaya (Ju)

[Victorio]

Today, the Russian language is openly persecuted in a number of countries around the world. This struggle is being waged by all methods available to the "elites" of such countries.
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??? in Russia itself, he is actively spread rot, and one cannot step without another Anglo-borrowing. therefore, in place of philologists, not to celebrate, but to beat the alarm for a long time and hard.

[Dkuznecov]

Implementation instead of execution, the horror is simple.