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The cruiser "Moskva" is going to go on the first cruise after the repair

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The cruiser "Moskva" is going to go on the first cruise after the repair

Reports are confirmed that the cruiser "Moskva", which is the flagship of the Black Sea fleet Russia, should soon go out on its first campaign after major repairs and modernization measures. GRK "Moscow" has been under repair since 2016.


The fact that the missile cruiser of the Russian Navy is preparing to go on a long voyage, сообщают Izvestia citing sources in the defense department.

The messages say that at the moment there is an agreement on the route of a long hike. Earlier, other sources reported that the "Moscow" GRK, after repair and modernization, could go on a hike in the Mediterranean. At the moment, the main military department does not comment on these reports.

About a month ago, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy went to the Black Sea for firing. The firing, carried out with the use of the Vulcan anti-ship missiles (a development of the Basalt system), took place, according to representatives of the fleet command, normally. The target was hit from a distance of about 30 km. The P-1000 Vulcan entered service in the late 1980s. The carriers of such anti-ship missiles are Project 1164 Atlant cruisers, to which the Moscow State missile complex belongs.

The commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, following the results of the first missile firing after the repair of the cruiser, noted that the crew had proven the ability to solve tasks for their intended purpose - to strike the ship's main missile system.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 24 May 2021 06: 14
    +4
    Mighty apparatus!
    Nice!
    At the same time he is armed to the teeth!
    In general - seven feet under the keel!
    1. Finches
      Finches 24 May 2021 06: 16
      +1
      Go out to sea and embark on the roadstead of Odessa! laughing
      1. aleks neym_2
        aleks neym_2 24 May 2021 06: 51
        0
        As far as I understand, Potemkin's laurels don't let you sleep? You need it - let them clean up the sour borscht themselves.
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          1. aleks neym_2
            aleks neym_2 24 May 2021 07: 15
            +3
            Aha! Here the Russian Spirit - here it smells of Russia ... and not rotten brains ..
    2. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 24 May 2021 06: 35
      -6
      Quote: Victor_B
      Mighty apparatus!
      Nice!

      For ceremonial ceremonies, if only. The cruiser "Moskva" is archaic and outdated, as ancient as the excrements of a mammoth, it is high time for it to be disposed of in Inkerman. The radio command control system, which was abandoned already on the "Granite", is full of archaism. The enemy will put up interference and Vulcano-Basalts will fly to the radio horizon. There is also no point in talking about the S300F without upgrading the complex. In its "pure" form, this is an idea of ​​the 70s at the technical level of that time. But this old cruiser has nothing to replace. Take a look at the project 055 of the Chinese destroyer. This is a modern ship.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 24 May 2021 08: 01
        +3
        Soviet (Russian) missiles, even anti-ship missiles or anti-aircraft missiles, are products that have been proven by years of operation. Under the Soviet Union, only that which proved absolute - 100% reliability was accepted for service. Chinese missiles, so far, are mostly just advertising. The ship is beautiful, but how its weapons will work out is a big question. The reliability of the power plant is also an issue. Although it is "ripped off" from the Nikolaevskaya, the quality is Chinese. And this is not an abstract speculation. Ukrainian TV - 3 - 117, assigned resource 6000 hours, overhaul life - 2000 hours. Chinese copy - 1000 hours assigned, rarely nurses more than 800. That's why they wanted to buy Motor Sich)))
        1. huntsman650
          huntsman650 24 May 2021 09: 24
          +4
          When it comes to the c300're coming out, everyone is pouring something here))). Like the khan will not fly, the missiles have served their time))). And our old stuff is better))). They forgot about the OSU air defense missile systems, which destroyed like seeds in Karabakh. The armament is definitely outdated.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 24 May 2021 12: 43
            +2
            The warranty period for S-300 missiles is 10 years. After that, the TPK is removed from the PU and sent to the manufacturing plant, a fresh TPK is installed on the PU. For Bandera air defense systems, the last time the missiles were changed was in 2002-03, and even then, not at all. So, the "freshest" ones are 18 years old. Nobody knows what will happen after pressing the Start button. Bandera S - 300 upgrades did not go through, these are the same air defense systems of the 80s, the launch range is 75 km.
            1. huntsman650
              huntsman650 24 May 2021 13: 46
              0
              And I just received a derivative, create a commission, make an external examination and extend the term on the media without returning it to the base. Not s300, additional air defense system, shipborne. And at the bases in the passport, in the column there was an external inspection))), and before 2000, entrance control))). The cruiser also has an ancient c300 and it is completely different (in terms of instrumentation) than the land one and it did not undergo any upgrades! !!
            2. huntsman650
              huntsman650 24 May 2021 14: 00
              0
              The Fort air defense missile system installed on the cruiser is one of the earliest modifications of the S-300 with 5V55RM missiles with a range of 75 km. What was considered a worthy result at the beginning of the 1980s is already completely insufficient in modern conditions. Quote, found in the article on VO, here.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 24 May 2021 15: 36
                0
                We actually spoke for the Bandera air defense systems. I do not think that the b / c has not been updated on "Moscow" since 1986. I think at least once, but the "fort" rockets changed.
                1. huntsman650
                  huntsman650 25 May 2021 00: 31
                  0
                  I'm actually talking about the fact that we also have enough old stuff. Zur wasps of the Navy have not been updated !!! Since the 80s. This is for example)))
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 25 May 2021 07: 58
                    0
                    Are the missiles for it still being produced? What is its real combat value? The process of replacing other air defense systems is underway. Nothing goes on in Banderland, except for an endless talking shop and a deriban of the budget.
        2. hosekonceko
          hosekonceko 25 May 2021 19: 12
          -1
          The main thing to get is x35 or granite Target designation where?
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 24 May 2021 06: 22
    +3
    Good toastmaster the cruiser and the exercises are interesting! ))) And if "Vulcan" seems a bit old to someone, I will remind you of "Harpoons" with "Tomahawks".
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 24 May 2021 06: 28
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      And if someone "Vulcan" seems a bit old, then I will remind you of "Harpoons" with "Tomahawks".

      And what version of "harpoons" and "axes" is currently used by "partners"?
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 May 2021 06: 34
        +5
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        And what version of "harpoons" and "axes" is currently used by "partners"?

        Firstly, subsonic, and secondly, unable to carry special warheads in the anti-ship missile version. Something like this! laughing
        1. huntsman650
          huntsman650 24 May 2021 09: 27
          -1
          The caliber is also subsonic))) And the cat cried volcanoes, they have not been produced for a very long time, unlike harpoons and tomogavks)
          1. Artyom Karagodin
            Artyom Karagodin 24 May 2021 09: 36
            +1
            The Caliber has the third stage - supersonic (I just don't know, on all missiles or on some modifications), firstly. Secondly, "Caliber," is more to beat on the shore, and anti-ship missiles is "Onyx". Supersonic - one time, leaving on the target without a "slide", which modern radars are copied from a long distance - two. Here are just amers with CU have no problems, but we have, and serious.
            1. kventinasd
              kventinasd 24 May 2021 13: 35
              -4
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              and the RCC is Onyx. Supersonic - one time, going to the target without a "slide", which modern radars are copied from a long distance, - two.
              Everything is fine there with a slide!
              Flight altitude anti-ship missiles Onyx:
              On the marching section - up to 14000 m
              At the final section - 10-15 m
              The Americans have nothing at all against the speed and final trajectory of Onyx.

              1. Artyom Karagodin
                Artyom Karagodin 24 May 2021 14: 40
                +1
                The fact is that it "Onyx" does not go up immediately, but a little further than the launch site (which, by the way, can be seen in the picture). Thus, it does not unmask the fired ship or DBK. It just had to be properly labeled. So thanks for the adjustment.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Uin4Vd7SM. Здесь подтверждение.
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 May 2021 06: 30
    +1
    It is imperative to check such a repair, and the jambs will only come out with intensive use, as in any technique.
  4. mvg
    mvg 24 May 2021 06: 31
    -3
    Some kind of "duck" ... Volcano P-1000, though with an accelerator from P-500 Basalt, cannot shoot at 30 km ... Such "news" should be published on Yandex and rambler. There are big doubts that these CDs produced in the distant 83-84 years can take off at all. Rather, the accelerator worked out and the anti-ship missile system simply fell. Shooting of illiquid assets. Rather, simply "nonsense" of the media or disinf.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 24 May 2021 08: 37
      +2
      Quote: mvg
      Volcano P-1000 cannot, though with an accelerator from P-500 Basalt, shoot at 30 km

      The minimum range along a low-altitude trajectory is up to 145 km.
      1. mvg
        mvg 24 May 2021 08: 44
        +1
        along low-altitude trajectory up to 145 km

        In my opinion, they themselves answered. Basalt, Granite, Volcano do not shoot for 30 km. I remember this even from the department. There, even the ISN will not be cocked yet. And yes, rocket firing in the Black Sea P-1000 is generally nonsense.
        But I was embarrassed that the anti-ship missile system still flies with the accelerator from the P-500. At the same time, there was no modernization of the GC in Moscow, as in the Varyag. He was simply brought into a seaworthy condition. A stupid vessel. Member carrier, flag carrier. The perfect goal.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 May 2021 08: 48
          +4
          Quote: mvg
          A stupid vessel. Member carrier, flag carrier.

          Maxim, you are a seaman (albeit a submariner), where does so much hatred for ships come from?
          1. mvg
            mvg 24 May 2021 08: 52
            +1
            (albeit a submariner)

            BCH-2, MRK pr Ovod. No hate. On the contrary, regret, in its place you need a pair of 22350. There are more benefits. And this is a waste of money.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 24 May 2021 09: 07
              +4
              Quote: mvg
              in its place you need a pair of 22350. More benefits

              It is necessary! Who's arguing? But from the beginning it is necessary to saturate the SF and the Pacific Fleet with the Gorshkovs! And Moscow, even as a flag bearer, will still serve its own!
          2. huntsman650
            huntsman650 24 May 2021 09: 41
            -2
            It's a shame when Zhiguli are promoting a penny and want to put it in competition with a Mercedes (((
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 24 May 2021 11: 05
          +3
          Quote: mvg
          At the same time, there was no modernization of the GC in Moscow, as in the Varyag.

          what Didn't they modernize the GC in Moscow in 1996 during the repair and modernization in Nikolaev? After all, it was after this renovation that Moscow taught Vulcan!
          Quote: mvg
          rocket firing in the Black Sea P-1000 is generally

          So Vulcan was tested on the Black Sea! At the 31st firing range, the director of fire with a range of 90 km, the Fiolent branch-100 km.
          1. mvg
            mvg 24 May 2021 13: 25
            0
            After all, it was after this renovation that Moscow taught Vulcan!

            When built at 1164 Moscow, there was a miscalculation for the PU material. It could not stand the standard Vulcan accelerator. Therefore, they set from Basalt .. while the flight range dropped significantly (500-700 km). I read for a long time, I remember that it stood on "repair" for a dozen years ... And this does not in the least cancel the previous conclusions that Basalt and its starting accelerators did in the mid-80s. , the beauty is no longer affected. Moreover, with the current modernization, Moscow stood without the Civil Code. I hoped they wouldn't put him back. hi
        3. hosekonceko
          hosekonceko 25 May 2021 19: 21
          -1
          For x35, Moscow is normal at the World Cup But with a polar fox for a cruiser, only one task is real - to fight off messengers in a modern interpretation
    2. huntsman650
      huntsman650 24 May 2021 09: 30
      +1
      The problems are very serious with starting engines for the USSR missile defense system in the fleets, the timing of the FHi)))
      1. mvg
        mvg 24 May 2021 09: 39
        0
        Problems are very serious with starting motors

        Andrey, not only with the launch ... the anti-ship missiles have expired ... the P-500 is 83 years old, the P-700 is about 89 years old, well, Vulcan is fresh ... but it is still close to 30 years. Over the past 3-5 years, I remember 3-4 launches of Granites. A couple in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and Syria .. maybe more. There may be a lot of missiles, after all, pr 945/1143/1144/1164, these are Granites and Volcanoes. But this is the last century, irrelevant anti-ship missiles, even assuming the successful exit of all missiles from the carrier ship (and this is unrealistic, the old ones are too old) they cannot take AUG. It is rather the death of the host itself. Probability 99%
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 May 2021 09: 51
          +3
          Quote: mvg
          It is rather the death of the host itself. Probability 99%

          Moscow will most likely not live to see such death and will end its life either on the Black River, or as an exhibit as part of the Sevastopol Maritime Museum! The fact that the Navy refused to modernize the cruiser suggests that the Black Sea Fleet is waiting for an update of the ship's composition!
          1. mvg
            mvg 24 May 2021 13: 29
            +3
            refused to upgrade the cruiser

            Modernization will be released, like 1144 Nakhimov. Everything has to be changed ... and a lot of things are very difficult to replace. At the moment, there is not a single actual weapon on the cruiser .. no main battery, no air defense, no anti-aircraft weapons ... Therefore, he wrote that the "member" and a demonstrator .. Objectively
    3. Eldorado
      Eldorado 24 May 2021 10: 25
      -2
      "Moskva" has never fired in the Black Sea. There is no place for the Volcanoes to shoot. Therefore, 30 km. Shooting has always been carried out in the Indian Ocean.
      Plus, they were afraid that the missiles from forty years ago would simply not reach.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 24 May 2021 11: 11
        +5
        Quote: El Dorado
        "Moskva" has never fired in the Black Sea.

        what Come on? From the 3rd anchor point on the move, after the launch, a turn and entry into the base ... and more than once! From the traverse of the Marble Bay towards Tarkhankut! From Cape Chauda towards Taman!
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 24 May 2021 06: 47
    -3
    A united NATO squadron, led by Lizka, is to enter Mediterranean this week, will ours have time to turn around for a meeting?