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In Crimea, the crew of the Su-30SM fighter standing on the ground ejected

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The incident with the Russian Su-30SM fighter took place in Crimea. Two pilots reportedly ejected from a fighter on the ground.


According to sources in law enforcement agencies referred to TASS, the incident occurred on Friday at the Saki airfield in the Crimea while preparing a fighter for takeoff. The ejection system of the Su-30SM fighter standing on the ground worked abnormally while both pilots were already in the cockpit. As a result of the incident, both pilots survived, and the technician received burns.

At the same time, the details of the incident were not reported.

The press service of the Southern Military District confirmed this fact, but did not provide details either.

On May 21, during the preparation for the planned flight of the Su-30SM aircraft, an abnormal operation of the ejection system occurred at the Saki airfield. Nobody was hurt as a result of the bailout. Both pilots are alive

- said in a statement.

Note that this is the second message about abnormal operation of the catapult system since the beginning of this year. On March 23, in preparation for the departure of a long-range bomber Tu-22M3, ejection seats worked at an airfield in the Kaluga region, as a result of which three members of the aircraft crew died, one remained alive.
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  1. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 22 May 2021 17: 51
    +13
    It is necessary to carefully fulfill their official duties and fulfill everything that is required by the regulations. I think now, from above, along the entire vertical and horizontal, a robust one will arrive.
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 22 May 2021 17: 54
      +36
      Quote: Sibiryak 66
      I think now, from above, along the entire vertical and horizontal, a robust one will fly

      Something is wrong with us and here it is not in order, it should have arrived a long time ago and clicked two more times with a ricochet .. :(
      1. Civil
        Civil 22 May 2021 18: 22
        .
        And where is the news about how the communist Chinese rover began to survey Mars? Are you ashamed to post this? Aren't you ashamed about the gas pipe to Germany?
        1. Aleksandre
          Aleksandre 22 May 2021 18: 27
          +20
          Quote: Civil
          And where is the news about how the communist Chinese rover began to survey Mars? Are you ashamed to post this? Aren't you ashamed about the gas pipe to Germany?

          Don't worry, nerve cells don't regenerate.
          https://topwar.ru/183004-kitaj-stal-tretej-stranoj-sumevshej-dostavit-marsohod-na-poverhnost-krasnoj-planety.html
          1. Civil
            Civil 22 May 2021 18: 34
            .
            Thank you, I would like a lot of analysis to this. The news is that the communist rover left the platform and began exploring the planet.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 22 May 2021 19: 14
              +11
              Quote: Civil
              The news is that the communist rover left the platform and began exploring the planet.

              At the request of viewers:
            2. Aleksandre
              Aleksandre 22 May 2021 19: 27
              +39
              Quote: Civil
              Thank you, I would like a lot of analysis to this.

              But what kind of analysis is there .. The Chinese have clearly shown what can be done in a very short time when you really want to, if at the same time engage in regular killing of at least the most fucking rats in their insatiable greed and at the same time spit on the beeps of the so-called "world community" with a high turrets.
              The news is that the communist rover left the platform and began exploring the planet.
              A certain "opposition" party under the leadership of Comrade Zyugzag also has the word "communist" in its name, but none of the adults takes it seriously.
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        3. Split
          Split 22 May 2021 21: 39
          +2
          Well, at least you don't drink a cocktail "" 15 year old whiskey and cola. Personally, my first alcohol 20 years ago was Hennessy XO
        4. shahor
          shahor 22 May 2021 23: 39
          0
          Quote: sergo1914
          Any Irish. No ice / cola / juice / toppings. Ambrosia. Bushmills or Tullamore

          As I understand you! Irish whiskey is a song, if anyone has tasted it. And Guinness is also quite yummy. Keep it up, Ireland. And here is the appetizer that came to me - Scotland. In any pub there, there is a pot with fried potato skins on the table. Don't come off. I tried to fry at home, not that. There is probably a secret among the Scots - like heather honey.
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          2. Intruder
            Intruder 24 May 2021 14: 30
            -1
            Irish whiskey is a song, if anyone has tasted it.
            Well, taste also comes in different ways, for connoisseurs, if only ... wink
            I'll add on my own: bourbon whiskey with a split flavor: vanilla, oak aroma, and only with crushed ice in a shot ...
            1. shahor
              shahor 24 May 2021 17: 52
              +1
              Quote: Intruder
              only with crushed ice in a shot ...

              In Scotland, for spoiling the Ice Drink, you would ... get ripped off.
              But bourbon and Americans are a different drinking culture. Not better, not worse, just different.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 24 May 2021 19: 59
                -1
                In Scotland, for spoiling the Ice Drink, you would ... get ripped off.
                they are just cold, and where I used it without ice and kondeya, it will be like fresh milk in a shot, in half an hour ...
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    2. poquello
      poquello 22 May 2021 22: 29
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      Isn't there any money left for whiskey?

      )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
      I drank a normal whiskey 30 years ago, Jim Beam has been lying around in the buffet for the second year because IMHO is disgusting in comparison with normal vodka
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 22 May 2021 22: 34
        -1
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: sergo1914
        Isn't there any money left for whiskey?

        )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
        I drank a normal whiskey 30 years ago, Jim Beam has been lying around in the buffet for the second year because IMHO is disgusting in comparison with normal vodka


        I agree. Disgusting. Bourbon.
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    1. Split
      Split 22 May 2021 21: 29
      +1
      Loperamide? Why do you need it? laughing Loperamide never cost 6 rubles No. hi
      Are you drinking? Chronic pono ... diarrhea just doesn't happen
    2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 22 May 2021 21: 48
      +3
      All the ingredients (substances) in our tablets are imported and the rise in prices for them is a consequence of sanctions, as well as restrictions between countries caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. Unfortunately, the Russian pharmaceutical industry has nothing to replace imported raw materials.
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 22 May 2021 23: 00
        -2
        All the ingredients (substances) in our tablets are imported and the rise in prices for them is a consequence of sanctions, as well as restrictions between countries caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. Unfortunately, the Russian pharmaceutical industry has nothing to replace imported raw materials.

        All ingredients (by name - substances) in our hands are imported and the increase in prices for them is a consequence of sanctions, as well as restrictions between THEIR countries caused by THEIR COVID-19 pandemic. Unfortunately, in the Russian hands, there is nothing to replace imported raw materials.
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 22 May 2021 23: 09
          +1
          Tease ???
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 22 May 2021 23: 11
            0
            Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Tease ???

            I call you.
            1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
              Nikolay Ivanov_5 22 May 2021 23: 18
              +1
              Why call yourself names ???
              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 22 May 2021 23: 21
                0
                "Me, another matter. I'm nervous, crazy ..." (c)

    3. Revolver
      Revolver 22 May 2021 21: 53
      -3
      Quote: Ezoterik
      In February it cost 89 rubles, and now from 250 to 300. Here, explain how this can be?

      Fluctuations.
      lol
      A Japanese man came to America, changed ¥ 100000 at the bank, received $ 100, and went for a walk with these bucks. The next day he goes to the same bank, and for his ¥ 100000 they give him only $ 95. He is outraged, asks what is the matter? In response: "Fluctuations"ayshens"*). He raises his middle finger:" Fluct you Americans !!! "lol
      --
      * Asians in English Asians
  3. Revival
    Revival 22 May 2021 21: 48
    +2
    Although I'm not a topic, but just for the sake of a note, I read that animals do not feel ashamed for them the main thing would be what to eat themselves ...
    1. 547807955
      547807955 22 May 2021 22: 01
      0
      Check everything with the Gospel, but in doubt with your body.
  4. 547807955
    547807955 22 May 2021 21: 55
    0
    Well, in 91, the courtyard girls would have appreciated.
  • 547807955
    547807955 22 May 2021 21: 54
    +2
    So the Chinese comrades, party cards, along with the icons, were not taken to sell to Turkey, and they give birth to children.
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 22 May 2021 23: 03
      +1
      Quote: 547807955
      So the Chinese comrades, party cards, along with the icons, were not taken to sell to Turkey.

      So their eyes still did not open, only cracks.
      But at "ours" ... they climbed up on their foreheads.
  • Sasha Minakov
    Sasha Minakov 22 May 2021 22: 38
    -2
    damn) Ukrainian. have a snack.
  • VO3A
    VO3A 22 May 2021 22: 43
    +1
    Very interesting ! The pilot removes the main Checks from the ejection handles before taxiing out after starting the engine and fastening the harness ... and was not in the cockpit alignment, and received burns when the squibs were triggered ...
  • figwam
    figwam 22 May 2021 17: 56
    +7
    Quote: Sibiryak 66
    It must be done more carefully

    What to do there, until you sharply pull the handle there, you will not be able to eject.
    It's good that everyone is alive and the plane is intact.
    1. Siberian 66
      Siberian 66 22 May 2021 17: 58
      -1
      Yes, no, not everything is so simple ... If there is a car, you know, something will close somewhere, then the wipers will start working on their own, then the electronics will go crazy ...
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 22 May 2021 18: 08
        +15
        Most importantly, everyone is alive. And the plane is also intact, albeit a "piece of iron", and not cheap. It is imperative to look for the reason.
    2. Eug
      Eug 22 May 2021 18: 41
      +5
      So, in theory, a few more limit switches should close - otherwise it will not work .. although if automatic ejection - what limit switches are there ...
    3. CYM
      CYM 22 May 2021 20: 19
      +2
      Cases are different. When I was an urgent Uzbek conscript from SU-17, I ejected ... in the TECh hangar ... I decided to portray the pilot for a photo in the demobilization album. fool They said they didn't really touch anything.
  • Peak
    Peak 22 May 2021 17: 58
    +8
    The second similar case with an abnormal ejection from an aircraft located on the ground for a very short time.
    In the first case, with the Tu-22M3, as you know, unfortunately, people died. Now, fortunately, nothing happened.

    But what is it? Low level of flight crew training, or a technical factor related to the ejection system?

    Who, and when will give an answer, and take measures to eliminate the possibility of relapse ???
    1. Siberian 66
      Siberian 66 22 May 2021 18: 01
      +9
      There, the chairs and systems are generally different.
      1. Peak
        Peak 22 May 2021 18: 06
        +2
        Quote: Sibiryak 66
        There, the chairs and systems are generally different.

        In general, yes, but developed in one design bureau, and probably having some common "generic features".
        And yes ... If it is not the technology that is guilty, then it is definitely a "human factor", then most likely due to the low level of training or flight personnel, or technical services preparing technology.
        1. Timon2155
          Timon2155 22 May 2021 18: 18
          +11
          KB, if my memory serves me, are different: on the Tu-22M3 the ejection system is "native", Tupolev.
        2. kit88
          kit88 22 May 2021 18: 27
          +13
          low level of training or flight personnel

          And where does the flyers. You can't confuse the buttons here. And no one in their right mind will pull the handles.
          We begin to dig from the SAPS group to the regiment and to the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise until everything becomes extremely clear and understandable.
          PS / By the way, "Tester" is there on the Su-30 who turns it on and when?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 23 May 2021 02: 52
            0
            Quote: kit88
            We start digging from the SAPS group to the regiment and before NPP "Zvezda"until everything becomes extremely clear and understandable.

            That's it!
          2. avia12005
            avia12005 23 May 2021 10: 04
            -1
            In my opinion, back in the late 90s, the SAPS groups in the FBA and IA were generally reduced, where they were greatly halved. Everything was entrusted to aircraft technicians. Now I do not know.
        3. akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 22 May 2021 23: 24
          +2
          There are no "common generic features" there! K-36DM and KT-1M have nothing in common, at all! And the performance characteristics are both in design and in the order of operation! On the Tu-22, bailout also occurs through the electrical network, ns Sushkakh is driven mechanically.
    2. Gardener91
      Gardener91 22 May 2021 18: 14
      +6
      Quote: PiK
      Who, and when will give an answer, and take measures to eliminate the possibility of relapse ???

      Chain - airplane, sky, pilot. Where the weakest link is a person (human factor).
    3. Xenofont
      Xenofont 22 May 2021 18: 25
      +7
      After Taburetkin declared "techno" subhuman, reduced salaries, etc., reduced the number of schools, is it any wonder?
      1. kit88
        kit88 22 May 2021 18: 34
        +16
        Quote: Xenofont
        reducing the number of schools

        And what was there to cut? I thought in the 90s they chopped everything into cabbage that the naughty hands reached out to.
    4. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 22 May 2021 23: 12
      +3
      Quote: PiK
      Who, and when will give an answer, and take measures to eliminate the possibility of relapse ???


      I think that the human factor is against the background of a general mess.
      There are more children, and fewer old people and knowledgeable people.
      Now there are colonels for 30 years. Before?
      Find out the salary of civilian specialists in TEC, take an interest.
      Ah, so they are no longer there, civilians in TECh (as a rule, grandfathers, former warriors with experience)!
      And there are their positions. They are not cut. But no one is allowed to work in these positions, for 10 thousand rubles.
  • Cosm22
    Cosm22 22 May 2021 18: 03
    +4
    "Will it fly in good shape"?
    Wasn't it supposed to have already arrived after the incident with the Tu-22M3?
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 22 May 2021 18: 52
    +6
    Well, they will find the switchmen and punish them. Nothing will fly from above ...
  • Revolver
    Revolver 22 May 2021 21: 31
    -3
    Quote: Sibiryak 66
    Now, from above, along the entire vertical and horizontal direction, a robust design will arrive.

    Would raise comrades Stalin and Beria from the graves, in an instant the catapults would work exactly when necessary, and not when it works out.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 22 May 2021 17: 53
    +14
    No need to tie different systems in one line!
    If a technician got burned, he was on a ladder!
    In general, they are alive! Already good!
    And the inspection will figure it out.
    And they will distribute, orders to the uninvolved and reprimands with fines to just anyone.
    A joke.
    P.S. It looks like a flight preparation problem.
    1. knn54
      knn54 22 May 2021 18: 03
      -9
      -Jony: P.S. No need to tie different systems in one line!
      It looks like a flight preparation problem.
      There are two options, in my opinion - an error (s) during preparation for the flight or due to a short circuit in the electric control system of the seat.
      I think that the seats on Tu and Su are of the same system.
      One is an accident, two is a coincidence. Let's hope that it does not come to a pattern.
      1. Timon2155
        Timon2155 22 May 2021 18: 19
        +11
        Not one system! Completely different chairs!
        1. knn54
          knn54 22 May 2021 19: 36
          +4
          Yes, there was a mistake: the Tu-22 is equipped with a Tupolev-made KT-1M.
          The K-36DM is installed on the Su.MiG and Tu-160, and is by the way one of the most reliable ejection seats in the world.
          But the "third" option is somehow not visible. Is that "deliberate".
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 23 May 2021 19: 14
            0
            The Su-30SM is equipped with a completely new K-36D-3,5 seat. There, in my opinion, there is a block of logic. And on the Tu-160 there is a K-36L-70.
  • Clear
    Clear 22 May 2021 17: 53
    +10
    The press service of the Southern Military District confirmed this fact, but did not provide details either.


    Thank God everyone is alive.
    We will wait for the results of the investigation.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 22 May 2021 18: 22
      +4
      Quote: Clear
      We will wait for the results of the investigation.

      Nobody is going to report, to anything, the results of the investigation will concern, as they say, in the part concerning.
      Well, the times have come - there is nothing to hide, all incidents at once "merge" into the info space.
      1. Clear
        Clear 22 May 2021 18: 29
        +5
        Quote: bober1982
        the results of the investigation will concern, as they say, in the part concerning.

        Sure. Report that
        the special commission works at the airfield, conducts a technical inspection of the aircraft and establishes the reasons for the incident.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 22 May 2021 18: 38
          +9
          Quote: Clear
          the special commission works at the airport

          They will figure out what's what.
          When, back in 1975, the navigator of the Su-24, Captain Osmanov, catapulted himself at the start of the engine, the special commission, following the results of the investigation, wanted to punish him, he catapulted himself, but another special commission arrived, from the developers of the seat, and he was rewarded.
          All this current incident is certainly upsetting, but, on the other hand, it showed that the Su-30 can be ejected at zero speed.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 May 2021 17: 53
    +3
    I hope the reward finds its hero. After all, there are no miracles.
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 22 May 2021 17: 54
    +3
    Alive - thank God. Integers?
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 22 May 2021 17: 54
    .
    the Ukrainian hand is felt
    1. Peak
      Peak 22 May 2021 18: 08
      +2
      Quote: Yoon Klob
      the Ukrainian hand is felt

      Scratch your brow ... Whose his hand is scratching, is it really Ukrainian?
    2. mark1
      mark1 22 May 2021 18: 46
      +7
      One time randomness two coincidence three pattern four system
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 22 May 2021 18: 04
    -1
    Some unhealthy tradition is already becoming with these ejection seats in the videoconferencing ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 May 2021 18: 19
      .
      Most likely, a manufacturing defect or already critical wear and tear of the elements of the ejection systems - so they themselves work.
      1. ODERVIT
        ODERVIT 22 May 2021 18: 27
        +7
        The Su-30 SM already has "critical wear". Thanks, good for a Saturday night wink
        1. Asad
          Asad 22 May 2021 19: 35
          +2
          Recently, a similar situation occurred in the United States.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 May 2021 23: 52
          0
          Yes, wear and tear in the presence of defective parts - a fighter, if not a kuruti, experiences significant structural loads and vibrations, as if all ejection seats did not have to be checked on all fighters and carcasses. Here, the most reliable element of a fighter, the ejection seat, spontaneously triggers - this should not be at all.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 22 May 2021 18: 33
    +4
    * At the same time, the details of the incident were not reported. *
    No details, nothing to discuss.
    At the same time, the next moment pleases - the ejection systems are working.
    And this should instill optimism and confidence in the future of the crews.
  • Vasya Santa
    Vasya Santa 22 May 2021 18: 47
    -5
    On March 23 of this year, the same thing happened at the airfield near Kaluga from the Tu-22. 3 people were killed. Too often, abnormal operations of the ejection system began to occur.
  • Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 22 May 2021 18: 51
    +1
    Exactly two months have passed since the incident with the Tu-22M, with the death of almost the entire crew. And hello .. One incident is an accident, often unpleasant. But two incidents in a row is a pattern. Isn't it time to ask questions to the leadership of the Air Force, what is this happening there?
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 22 May 2021 23: 19
      -1
      Quote: Saxahorse
      Isn't it time to ask questions to the leadership of the Air Force, what is this happening there?

      Ventilate the current state of technicians in the videoconferencing. Who, what, how much and how much, where did the civilian technicians go - mechanics, who and how is now responsible for the repair and replacement of spare parts and blocks.
  • zenion
    zenion 22 May 2021 18: 52
    +1
    There are specialists who can forget the mini-screwdriver, as for a watch. The pilot has fun flying with her. He doesn't see her, and she doesn't give a damn.
    1. Eug
      Eug 22 May 2021 20: 23
      +3
      We have a flight safety inspector with a screwdriver - a small one - fell to his knees from the dashboard .. and the deputy commander landed a MiG-25PDS aircraft with half the pedal stroke .. that took 2 years. But there was no abnormal operation of the KM-1M.
    2. region58
      region58 23 May 2021 03: 35
      +2
      Quote: zenion
      may forget the mini-screwdriver as for a watch.

      Quote: Eug
      screwdriver - not small - fell to my knees from the dashboard ..

      To put it as simply as possible: let's say you are a maintenance technician "something out there" - you are given an appropriate set of tools and devices, which are used to carry out all the work. The use of extraneous tools is strictly prohibited. After completing repair or maintenance work, the tool and accessories must be in their place in a complete set. This is done just so that something, somewhere, is not forgotten, and subsequently the forgotten tool could not harm the operation of the device that you were repairing or servicing. yes
      PS I do not exclude that now the whole thing has been "optimized". request
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 22 May 2021 18: 58
    .
    The commander should not press the toggle switches standing in a row with fingers trembling with a binge ... and everyone will be happy, joy and career advancement ..
  • Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov 22 May 2021 19: 06
    +3
    The main thing is that everyone survived, and problems with equipment happen to all armies in the world.
  • pytar
    pytar 22 May 2021 19: 09
    +5
    I remember that during the repair, in the hangar, an aircraft technician inadvertently ejected from a MiG-25. He hit the ceiling, was seriously injured, was on the verge, but he was lucky. He survived, although he remained disabled. hi
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 22 May 2021 19: 40
      +5
      When he served us every week, they brought such or similar incidents. Only those who were concerned knew about it. Now even the tuzik in the yard heard something about it.
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 23 May 2021 19: 44
        0
        Quote: Alexander 3
        When serving us every week brought such or similar incidents

        I confirm.
  • TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 22 May 2021 19: 23
    +1
    I imagine the technician probably turned gray after this, except for burns, and the pilots ...
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 May 2021 20: 14
    -5
    Two pilots reportedly ejected from a fighter on the ground.
    are the Americans being naughty? repeat
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 23 May 2021 10: 14
      +1
      are the Americans being naughty?

      The Englishwoman crap, and the world Zionists are looking for.
  • Eug
    Eug 22 May 2021 20: 17
    +4
    And such a moment - despite the incident, the ejection system confirmed its characteristics - during the ejection with "two zeroes" the pilots were rescued ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 22 May 2021 20: 31
    -3
    Looks like the Kaluga case was lost and forgotten. Manufacturers and IAO-shnikov under the microscope!
  • awg75
    awg75 22 May 2021 20: 35
    -3
    the second such incident. I do not think that this is an accident. I hope those services who are responsible have understood everything.
    1. vik669
      vik669 22 May 2021 22: 24
      0
      Only our pale-faced friend can step on the same rake twice!
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 22 May 2021 21: 10
    0
    Heads will fly ...
    The essence of the incident, we will not know for sure.
  • Taoist
    Taoist 22 May 2021 21: 30
    0
    It looks like someone took off the checks in a hurry ...
  • primaala
    primaala 22 May 2021 21: 37
    -1
    On March 23, in preparation for the departure of a long-range bomber Tu-22M3, ejection seats worked at an airfield in the Kaluga region ... ///
    ===============
    Once again I am convinced - today there is enough intelligence - "transmission" in the network. (veiled).
    Sadness ............
    VO site - whose "patrimony" ???
  • isv000
    isv000 22 May 2021 23: 08
    -1
    How is that?! A month ago and again ... The tsunami should not have swept over those. services after the last time?! ...................
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 23 May 2021 03: 23
    -3
    These guys are not "funny" anymore !!! There is no kerosene. Do you train on catapults!? On TU by "mistake", here it is "abnormal" with us that the planes themselves are the same as the pilots. Bad !!!
  • Sergey3
    Sergey3 23 May 2021 20: 34
    0
    Again? This year has already happened!
  • Farewell
    Farewell 23 May 2021 20: 47
    0
    There was no technical fault there. According to information from close circles, the check-out, who was sitting in the front office, organized the evacuation.
  • fuffi
    fuffi 24 May 2021 12: 39
    0
    Quote: Civil
    Thank you, I would like a lot of analysis to this. The news is that the communist rover left the platform and began exploring the planet.

    If you want, do it. Or just blah blah blah?