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"Future battles will not be fought for the Central European Plain": the British General Staff explained the rejection of the Warrior BMP

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Changing priorities on the battlefield was one of the reasons that prompted the British army to abandon the operation of the Warrior infantry fighting vehicles, curtailing the technology upgrade program.


Plains fighting will be a thing of the past


This was announced by the Chief of Staff of the British Army, General Mark Carlton-Smith. In his words, abandoning an outdated machine frees up money for investments in other equipment that is better suited for future ground battles:

We need to rethink how close combat is conducted. I think most future battles will look more like Mosul, Raqqa and Fallujah than the Central European Plain.

- the general explained to the publication, believing, in all likelihood, that the main battles will be fought for the cities as the "strong points" of the front, while the battles in the operational spaces such as the plains will be minimized.

The usefulness of [BMP] for maneuvering dismounted troops in fixed defensive positions seems to me less of a priority compared to the possibility of rapid operational deployment of infantry at long strategic distances

- explains the general.

"Future battles will not be fought for the Central European Plain": the British General Staff explained the rejection of the Warrior BMP


Warrior - unnecessary legacy


The modernization project of the nearly half-century Warrior, promoted since 2011 by Lockheed Martin UK, involves the installation of a new 40mm CTAI cannon, a digitized turret, improved protection and other improvements.

This [not upgrading Warrior] was actually a pretty easy decision. If we want to achieve a true transformation [towards the information age while abandoning traditional platforms], we need to leave behind as many legacy systems of the 20th century as possible, and Warrior is on this list.

- said the British general.

According to him, it is planned that the Warrior will be withdrawn from service by the middle of the decade. While its replacement for the Boxer 8x8 wheeled APC (more than 500 units already ordered with delivery over 9 years from 2023) is not ideal, the new APC's ability to travel long distances quickly is of greater value than the Warrior upgrade, Carlton-Smith said.

It is exploring how to increase the firepower of the Boxer [equipped with machine guns] to compensate for the decommissioning of the more heavily armed Warrior [equipped with the 30mm L21A1 cannon]. The Ministry of Defense is considering various options, including the installation of missiles or a cannon.

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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 22 May 2021 05: 34
    +5
    Carpet bombing and rocket attacks ... dusting all the fortified areas with phosphorus-filled ammunition ... not new ... sorry for civilians.
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 22 May 2021 05: 38
      +7
      So they do not fight in another way, ours saved architecture at the cost of the lives of their soldiers, and England, with the help of America, Dresden brought everything to zero in the name of revenge.
      1. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 22 May 2021 05: 47
        +12
        ours saved architecture at the cost of the lives of their soldiers
        It’s very, very vain. I shouldn’t have done that.
        England, with the help of America, Dresden brought everything to zero in the name of revenge
        "Of course, the Allied aviation did not accomplish feats there. But it was, as horrible as it sounds, a normal military act - as far as one can speak of" normalcy "in relation to this terrible war." German historian Moritz Hoffman.
        1. Murmur 55
          Murmur 55 22 May 2021 06: 06
          +15
          Serge is interested in the following, if the British revenge on Dresden for their cities is logical, then what should the USSR troops do with the cities and inhabitants of Germany ????
          1. Plate
            Plate 1 June 2021 20: 33
            0
            There is no talk about revenge, here there is talk about the expediency of bombing.
            Incidentally, I am personally sure for myself that we did not engage in such bombings due to the lack of armada of advanced strategic bombers, which the Americans possessed. I am sure if we had a couple of thousand B-29s and ten thousand B-17s (analogs) in front of us would tremble not only Dresden, but also some Königsberg, Berlin, Cologne ... that's all!
      2. knn54
        knn54 22 May 2021 07: 45
        0
        In "tolerant" Europe, the burgomaster will simply take out the keys to the city.
        Proven by history.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 22 May 2021 10: 28
          +3
          Proven by history.
          History of Budapest? or Berlin? Or Konigsberg?
      3. figwam
        figwam 22 May 2021 09: 03
        +4
        Quote: Murmur 55
        Dresden endured everything in the name of revenge.

        The Anglo-Saxons do not fight in the name of revenge, everything is always calculated there.
        German cities with civilians were destroyed by the allies for demonstrations and as a warning to Stalin, with his most powerful land army. The ability of the Allied aviation to demolish entire cities in one pass was then only available to them, while it was the eastern part of Germany that was bombed into the dust, causing maximum damage to the territory that, after the war, was supposed to come under the control of the USSR.
  2. Finches
    Finches 22 May 2021 05: 36
    +1
    For some reason, I remembered a clever uncle, Einstein "I don't know what kind of weapon a person will wage the third world war, but the fourth will be with a stick and a stone" ... So you can create long-term storage warehouses filled to the brim with cobblestones and clubs!
    1. xorek
      xorek 22 May 2021 06: 22
      0
      Quote: Finches
      For some reason, I remembered a clever uncle, Einstein "I don't know what kind of weapon a person will wage the third world war, but the fourth will be with a stick and a stone" ... So you can create long-term storage warehouses filled to the brim with cobblestones and clubs!

      Thanks to tolerance (refugees), Europe will soon turn into Africa even without a world war!
      In general, Eugene, if Russia continues to anger and provoke, anything can be. We can survive in Russia, we are already familiar, but Europe and the United States It will be interesting if you just knock out the Internet from them .. wink
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 22 May 2021 06: 30
        +2
        Quote: xorek
        It will be interesting if you just knock out the Internet from them

        They will have a partial end of the world. In fact, their volcano is puffing, as they do not try to pour water into it. It will both blaze, so no equipment is needed. Armageddts will be for the USA
        1. xorek
          xorek 22 May 2021 06: 47
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: xorek
          It will be interesting if you just knock out the Internet from them

          They will have a partial end of the world. In fact, their volcano is puffing, as they do not try to pour water into it. It will both blaze, so no equipment is needed. Armageddts will be for the USA

          Eh Elena, how did you stab them at the pain point? laughing There, one racket is enough to make Elstone become the "British flag" on the continent. good
          Biden won negotiations, etc.
          We do not want war, but we will not fall under the global financial mafia either.
          Let them think what is dearer to them ..
          1. unknown
            unknown 22 May 2021 08: 34
            +5
            Where have we been since the late nineteenth century?
            We are under it.
            Stalin alone resisted.
            1929 to 1953 year.
            After him everything went down.
            Again...
            1. xorek
              xorek 22 May 2021 09: 05
              +1
              Quote: ignoto
              Where have we been since the late nineteenth century?
              We are under it.
              Stalin alone resisted.
              1929 to 1953 year.
              After him everything went down.
              Again...

              Stalin resisted, that's for sure good .. And then for a while. Then he was destroyed! And they are terribly afraid of his coming again .. And Koba knew what would happen
              But he did not have time to do what he had planned .. They stuck him with Khrushch's boots and embroidered shirts

              Now again Russia is in danger and there is a blunt chatter aimed at young people
          2. Hypertension
            Hypertension 22 May 2021 12: 27
            -1
            Quote: xorek
            We do not want war, but we will not fall under the global financial mafia either.

            Of course ... we won't lie down ...

            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 23 May 2021 11: 40
              +1
              I look in the book, I see Figo - this is about you. The enterprises with foreign capital indicated by you are registered in the Russian Federation as legal entities. These are not affiliates !! Charles! They pay taxes in the Russian Federation, citizens of the Russian Federation work for them and also pay taxes. Further, according to networkers - do they manufacture products themselves or buy from manufacturers? No need to lift the stupid Hype. Magnet is the main owner of VTB Bank, a state bank, but you kept silent about this, either on purpose or out of ignorance. Then you poke into your propaganda ....... there is no desire.
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 23 May 2021 19: 13
                -1
                Quote: Okolotochny
                They pay taxes in the Russian Federation, citizens of the Russian Federation work for them and also pay taxes.

                And all these foreign brands and companies do not have any deductions from Russia? But if we are so sovereign, then we could have our own networkers themselves.
                Quote: Okolotochny
                Then poke you

                The pumpkin will break.
        2. igor67
          igor67 22 May 2021 10: 42
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: xorek
          It will be interesting if you just knock out the Internet from them

          They will have a partial end of the world. In fact, their volcano is puffing, as they do not try to pour water into it. It will both blaze, so no equipment is needed. Armageddts will be for the USA

          If Elena Yelostoun flames, the Armagid, as you put it, will be all,
    2. hrych
      hrych 22 May 2021 08: 12
      +3
      Quote: Finches
      For some reason I remembered a smart guy, Einstein

      He has a brain size like Pithecanthropus ... a clever peticanthropus wassat therefore, the "patent thief" of the Berne patent office, of course, dreamed of sticks and stones. World 4 will carry quantum emitters of directed energy from space atomolets. And to the nuclear BB missiles were added atmospheric atomobiles and atomic-powered underwater drones. The Third World War - "Cold" has long ended and even its results have been leveled.
      1. Finches
        Finches 22 May 2021 08: 15
        +4
        hi ... And I am still sober in the morning ...! laughing
        1. xorek
          xorek 22 May 2021 09: 35
          -2
          Quote: Finches
          hi ... And I am still sober in the morning ...! laughing

          And I'm already drunk Eugene! drinks laughing
          I pass the baton to you ... hi fellow
          There is no more strength .. drinks
      2. Borz
        Borz 22 May 2021 08: 52
        +3
        "Not everyone can look into tomorrow. Or rather, not only everyone can, very few people can do it" (c)
      3. xorek
        xorek 22 May 2021 09: 19
        -1
        Quote: hrych
        He has a brain size like Pithecanthropus ... a clever peticanthropus, therefore a "patent thief" of the Berne Patent Office

        And even with a Russian intelligence mistress .. laughing She wrote to him under a carbon copy ..
        Quote: hrych
        And to the nuclear BB missiles were added atmospheric atomobiles and atomic underwater drones. The Third World War - "Cold" ended long ago and even its results have been leveled.

        So yes .. There is a "bold" war .. And then, if we forget. negative
        But we can still make a breakthrough with tanks, for a breakthrough .. soldier

        Such things are happening in the tank factories of the Urals!
  3. Runway
    Runway 22 May 2021 05: 56
    +4
    A logical decision against the background of the acquisition of an armored personnel carrier. The frequency / density of settlements in the European theater of operations at the NSOU is sufficient to reduce the distance of the battalion group's weapons.
    But the general veiled the banal rearmament of the infantry. And the comparison of Iraq and Europe in geography / relief is somehow out of topic.
    1. unhappy
      unhappy 22 May 2021 07: 08
      +5
      The example of Mosul and Raqqa speaks of the siege of cities captured by "partisans". The general is either lying or. The course of the war of two strong and equal opponents is a classic, it is the interaction of all types of troops. The fight against ISIS or Karabakh gives rise to false assessments and conclusions, although I do not mind if these are the mistakes of the Naglo-Saxons.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 22 May 2021 09: 29
        +3
        The general either lies or

        He's lying. He aimed exactly at the plain.

        In one place:
        the main battles will be fought over the cities as the front's "strongholds", while the battles in the operational spaces such as the plains will be kept to a minimum.


        And right there:
        The new APC's ability to travel long distances quickly is more valuable than the Warrior upgrade, Carlton-Smith said.


        But in Russia the plain is not quite a plain. laughing
        Here, the Warrior will not go everywhere either.
  4. lucul
    lucul 22 May 2021 06: 19
    +3
    We need to rethink how close combat is conducted. I think most future battles will look more like Mosul, Raqqa and Fallujah than the Central European Plain.

    Well, they tell us that the Terminator for urban battles is an unnecessary excess)))
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 22 May 2021 18: 25
      0
      Quote: lucul
      We need to rethink how close combat is conducted. I think most future battles will look more like Mosul, Raqqa and Fallujah than the Central European Plain.

      Well, they tell us that the Terminator for urban battles is an unnecessary excess)))

      And the necessary excess - is it necessary? laughing
  5. xorek
    xorek 22 May 2021 06: 28
    +1
    We need to rethink how close combat is conducted.

    It's time for the Anglo-Saxons .. And then they got used to the wrong hands .. negative
    We now in Russia know who unleashes world wars and profits from them soldier
    And now we will act like you ..! It is now difficult to lure the Russians into a fight.
    We will only beat those who provoke and sit in the bushes ..
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 May 2021 06: 57
    +3
    am The general is disingenuous. There is no geographic concept of the Central European Plain. There is only the East European Plain, from Poland, Romania, Moldavia to our Ural Mountains. It is sometimes called the European Plain. So, they want to attack the first time as an example: Mosul, Raqqa and Fallujah. Russia is not Iraq and not Syria. There will be work for prosthetists in England! am
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 22 May 2021 06: 59
      +1
      Nothing ... knock out their teeth through a tube, they will feed.
    2. Drugov
      Drugov 22 May 2021 07: 28
      +3
      You should not be almond-shaped with them, as history shows, past wounds are very quickly forgotten and the inserted jaws begin to click viciously again, so let the pathologists do their job right away.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 22 May 2021 07: 32
        +1
        So pathologists, too, before burial, bring beauty! wassat
        1. Drugov
          Drugov 22 May 2021 07: 35
          +1
          Well, this is mainly in civilian life, but in war it is very rare.
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 May 2021 06: 59
    +6
    Well, now, in the event of a war, the main value in the European theater of operations will only be the life of our soldier, I hope that there will be no restrictions on working against buildings, no matter how valuable they are, if our military is being bombarded from them!
  8. Errr
    Errr 22 May 2021 07: 42
    +2
    We need to rethink how close combat is conducted. I think most future battles will look more like Mosul, Raqqa and Fallujah than the Central European Plain.
    Chief of Staff of the British Army General Mark Carlton-Smith fool
    The war for the "Central European Plain" is canceled forever, Mr. General. Listen to the silence.
    Strategic Missile Forces yes
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 May 2021 08: 16
    0
    Small-shavens strained their gyrus! laughing Maybe they will give up weapons altogether ?! laughing
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 May 2021 08: 30
    0
    There is common sense in this. The experience of local wars (not quite local ones) suggests that the modern army is quickly crushing the outdated on the open bridge and the sea with the help of aircraft and artillery and tanks. There is a second point that Britain is no longer capable of conducting operations in large-scale theaters and decided to focus on such colonial wars.
  11. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 22 May 2021 11: 27
    -2
    Warrior will be phased out by mid-decade. Although its replacement with the Boxer 8x8 wheeled armored personnel carrier (more than 500 units have already been ordered with delivery within 9 years from 2023) is not ideal, the new armored personnel carrier's ability to quickly cover long distances is of great value.

    It’s a pity. A beautiful BMP, which is similar to our BMP-3 in silhouette ...
    The British BMP Warrior (from the English "Warrior") is the same age as the domestic BMP-3.

    https://topwar.ru/161287-boevaja-mashina-pehoty-uorrior-bmp-ee-velichestva.html
    By ordering 500 wheeled armored personnel carriers, tracked infantry fighting vehicles MCV-80 (FV510) "Warrior" are "put under the knife"

    (most likely the FV4333 "STORMER" armored personnel carrier) and machines based on them,

    worsen the stability of armored units of the British Army, wheeled armored personnel carriers (with cannon armament, not machine-gun) are good for motorized infantry and light infantry units, tracked infantry fighting vehicles should follow in the battle formations of tanks ...
    After all, neither the allies of the British - the United States, the FRG, etc., nor the opponents of the Russian Federation, China, Iran, SAR, etc. do not abandon the above tracked infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers ...

    R.S. I think having bought 500 wheeled armored personnel carriers with machine-gun armament, the British sooner or later (better the latter) will come to the conclusion about the development of wheeled infantry fighting vehicles with a 57-mm cannon and anti-tank systems on it ..., as well as possibly wheeled tanks (following the example of the Japanese army, where the latter should make up most of the tank fleet), tk. traditional MBT has nothing to do on the islands ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 22 May 2021 11: 48
      0
      The Boxer has several variants with a 30mm cannon. These modules are relatively simple to install, there are other options. Interesting 40-50 mm cannons with telescopic shells, but still expensive.

      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 22 May 2021 12: 18
        0
        OgnennyiKotik The Boxer has several variants with a 30mm cannon. These modules are relatively simple to install, there are other options.

        Why did they then buy armored personnel carriers with machine-gun armament and why many people do wheeled armored personnel carriers in Europe from Germany, they could easily buy a license for their production ... and make on their basis armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, wheeled tank, SPTRK, KShM, BREM, etc. .d.
        And many empirical countries are switching to the 57-mm cannon ...
  12. bk0010
    bk0010 22 May 2021 12: 41
    +1
    than as for the Central European Plain
    In general, we are not respected, we were written off, bastards.
  13. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 May 2021 14: 30
    0
    Quote: Murmur 55
    So they do not fight in another way, ours saved architecture at the cost of the lives of their soldiers, and England, with the help of America, Dresden brought everything to zero in the name of revenge.

    Dresden was a demonstration of power to the Soviets.
  14. k_ply
    k_ply 24 May 2021 07: 22
    +1
    Hooray! The trendy criticism of the new generation of the current Western military is invincible.
    To cram a "Boxer", which looks like a bus, into a transport vehicle - this must be very contrived, just having a fleet of C-130s and only 8 C-17s, and if by the sea, then the dimensions of the BMP again win in front of this "coffin". I will not be surprised if soon their AS-90 ACS will be replaced with trendy artillery systems based on trucks, for example, the Danes purchased the Caesar, but not the air transportable French version 6x6 (for the C-160 military-technical cooperation), but based on the Tatra 8x8 ... Where, for what ?! Well, aren't they critical?
    No firepower, no cross-country ability (in conditions of destruction of the same urban development), no maneuverability, i.e. elementary turn around in place of the machine is not able.
  15. Tramp
    Tramp 4 June 2021 22: 59
    -1
    a new big war is a continuous nuclear bombardment and every kind of bombardment, and then whoever survived is at war, if he can.