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FSB reveals the names of Estonian punishers who destroyed villages in the Pskov region during the war

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The Federal Security Service (FSB) for the first time revealed the names of the Estonian punishers who destroyed villages and villages in the Pskov region during the Great Patriotic War. The declassified documents list by name dozens of nationalists from Estonia, who dealt with the civilian population of the territory occupied by the German fascists.


About it сообщает news agency RIA News.

Archival documents contain dire details of the atrocities of these Nazi henchmen, who operated as part of the 37th guard battalion on the territory of the Pskov region. The tasks of this punitive unit, formed from Estonian nationalists, included the fight against partisans and reprisals against the civilian population.

As stated in the documents provided by the FSB Directorate for the Pskov region, one of the most resonant crimes of the 37th battalion was the destruction of the village of Laneva Gora along with the inhabitants, which was committed in 1943. Then the Estonian Nazis shot and burned 55 villagers, of whom 32 were children. At the same time, the punishers did not spare even three infants.

When the Pskov region was liberated from the Nazi invaders, a specially created commission investigated the crimes of the Nazis and their henchmen. She found out that out of 406 Pskov villages, the punishers wiped out 325 from the face of the Earth.
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  1. Machito
    Machito 20 May 2021 09: 25
    +40
    The fascists are still marching in a parade through the squares of Euro-fascist Estonia.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 20 May 2021 09: 29
      +27
      that out of 406 Pskov villages the punishers wiped out 325 from the face of the Earth.

      Apart from the desire to destroy, there is nothing like their current minions.
      1. Anachoret
        Anachoret 20 May 2021 09: 49
        +27
        Cancel the decisions of Soviet Russia on the recognition of the sovereignty of Soviet Estonia and other similar acts.
        And there, only the deed of sale for the land of the times of Peter the Great will remain in the relationship, and then it is polite to ask all citizens of foreign states and the EU to leave these lands))
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 20 May 2021 10: 14
          +16
          Quote: Anchorite
          And there, only the deed of sale for the land of the times of Peter the Great will remain in the relationship, and then it is polite to ask all citizens of foreign states and the EU to leave these lands))

          And what about the rent of land? With interest? In modern times, only this is understood. So they won't rock the boat! )))
        2. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 20 May 2021 10: 18
          +18
          The Federal Security Service (FSB) for the first time revealed the names of Estonian punishers who destroyed villages and villages in the Pskov region during the Great Patriotic War.

          And also to name the living relatives of these punishers and prohibit them from entering Russia!
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 May 2021 10: 43
            +16
            Quote: Starover_Z
            And also name living relatives

            something else is interesting: how punishers from this list suffered
            PUNISHMENT?

            Why were these surnames classified 77 years old, and not immediately named, in 44-45 years?
            1. Starover_Z
              Starover_Z 20 May 2021 10: 50
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              Why were these surnames classified for 77 years, and not named immediately, in 44-45?

              So they were not found then, immediately after the war. The division of Europe into 2 camps forced to create a buffer zone for the USSR from the former allies, and the sound of then uncaught punishers would complicate the relationship. I think so.
              Well, now, when all the masks have been dropped, it's time to get hold of the trump card!
              1. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 20 May 2021 11: 33
                +4
                Quote: Starover_Z
                Well, now, when all the masks have been dropped, it's time to get hold of the trump card!

                No wonder Putin said several times that, they say, we still have a lot of documents, when Poland went to shit after declassifying the archives on Polish tricks of the Second World War. yes
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 May 2021 15: 18
                -1
                Quote: Starover_Z
                So they then, not found immediately after the war... The division of Europe into 2 camps forced to create a buffer zone for the USSR from the former allies, and the sound of then uncaught punishers would complicate the relationship. I think so.

                why not announced, when did you find it?
                How could voicing the names of the punishers spoil anything?
                Quote: Starover_Z
                Well, now, when all the masks have been dropped, it's time to get hold of the trump card!

                yes, it's late, the train has long since left ...
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 May 2021 11: 01
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              another thing is interesting: how many punishers from this list suffered
              PUNISHMENT?

              All those involved who were identified and found.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 May 2021 15: 20
                -3
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                All those involved who were identified and found.

                if they were punished, they are ALREADY not secret people.

                If they were secret until now, then they were not punished.
            3. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 20 May 2021 12: 19
              +8
              Quote: Olgovich
              Why were these surnames classified for 77 years, and not named immediately, in 44-45?

              Much has been written about this. This was done for the sake of friendship between the peoples of the Warsaw Pact countries and the USSR. That is why the collaborationism of Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, the bloody crimes of the Home Army, Ukrainian Bandera, Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian collaborators were not fully disclosed.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 May 2021 15: 23
                +3
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                Much has been written about this. This was done for the sake of friendship between the peoples of the Warsaw Pact countries and the USSR. That is why the collaborationism of Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, the bloody crimes of the Home Army, Ukrainian Bandera, Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian collaborators were not fully disclosed.

                just about: and now we are reaping the fruits when these then hushed up bandits themselves accuse us.

                It's late today to wave your fists (although you still need to)
              2. bk316
                bk316 21 May 2021 13: 51
                0
                This was done for the sake of friendship between the peoples of the Warsaw Pact countries and the USSR.

                What is the Warsaw Pact?
                These are Estonians, Latvians, and Westerners are different ...
                It's not too late to publish EVERYTHING!
            4. Shuttle
              Shuttle 21 May 2021 13: 55
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              Why were these surnames classified 77 years old, and not immediately named, in 44-45 years?

              Including because these nonhumans also had innocent relatives who could suffer in an illusory way from popular anger. In addition, the USSR had an absolutely correct doctrine - the names of such criminals had to disappear into oblivion so that no one had the opportunity to appeal to their memory. After all, the USSR did not plan its collapse. If the USSR had not ended, then there would have been no problem with the fascists in Estonia now. Hardly anyone there would want to be their follower.
            5. Igoresha
              Igoresha 21 May 2021 15: 19
              -1
              Why were these surnames classified for 77 years, and not named immediately, in 44-45?


              In the TV series of the ardent anti-Soviet Pravdyuk, this issue was raised - the Estonian SS men received 7 years in camps for such a thing and at home. Stalin's "justice" in all its glory.
        3. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 20 May 2021 12: 12
          +5
          Quote: Anchorite
          Cancel the decisions of Soviet Russia on the recognition of the sovereignty of Soviet Estonia and other similar acts.
          And there, only the deed of sale for the land of the times of Peter the Great will remain in the relationship, and then it is polite to ask all citizens of foreign states and the EU to leave these lands))

          I really hope the time will come ... smile By the way, this is another reason why today's Estonians hate Russia so much.
        4. CYM
          CYM 20 May 2021 15: 22
          +2
          This is not only Estonia. The Czech Republic generally ended the Second World War in the status of an autonomous territory of the German Reich - a protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia. With what fright the Czech Republic again became an independent state, and did not remain a part of the GDR / FRG during the division, is an interesting question. With the territories in Eastern Europe, following the results of the Second World War, a lot of interesting things happened http://ru-an.info/n/70483/.
          Perhaps it is really high time for Russia, as the legal successor of the USSR, to denounce the recognition of independence and the borders of "friendly" neighbors. It can be a lot of fun.lol
      2. viktor.
        viktor. 20 May 2021 09: 50
        0
        Together with their cities.
      3. aleks neym_2
        aleks neym_2 21 May 2021 19: 31
        0
        Then why were they silent until now ??? They're playing blind man's buff, or something ... they've played out, now Russia is to blame for everything ... And their brazen muzzle would go into the cesspool and with shit all over the world - otherwise they are all "white and fluffy" ... there are no further words ( words that is, but ... but ... but ...)
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    2. Invoce
      Invoce 20 May 2021 09: 48
      +10
      Quote: Bearded
      The fascists are still marching in a parade through the squares of Euro-fascist Estonia.

      We are not worried about the fact that the Nazis are marching in "Europe" (when they die or fate punishes them), but the fact that tolerant Europe does not see, does not want to see Nazism at home, the youth perceives this as a common phenomenon, the Nazis become "heroes "not only in the Baltics, but also in Ukraine, in Belarus they are trying to get out from under the broom, Poland, Germany, Spain ...
      And it's all sponsored by Sores, Rothschilds and Rockefellers ...
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 20 May 2021 10: 01
        .
        Quote: Invoce
        Natsiks are becoming "heroes" not only in the Baltics, but also in Ukraine, in Belarus they are trying to get out from under a broom, Poland, Germany, Spain ...
        And it's all sponsored by Sores, Rothschilds and Rockefellers ...

        Akhmat Kadyrov -: "kill Russians as much as you can." The bottom line? There are no Russians in Chechnya, and Kadyrov is a Hero of Russia. Or again - you don't understand, is this different?
        1. d1975
          d1975 20 May 2021 10: 26
          +8
          This is very different, you write it as a provocateur. Yes, this is the worst pain. But the way to stop the war worked. Or would you command the destruction from the sofa? And not even they are to blame, but the politicians who gave power and arranged the collapse of the country.
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 20 May 2021 11: 14
            +4
            But the way to stop the war worked. Or would you command destruction from the couch?

            And what did they give the Hero for? It was impossible to get by with a jubilee medal for his feat.
        2. Alexander 3
          Alexander 3 20 May 2021 11: 05
          -4
          Learn Chechen, behave as is required by Islam and live in peace.
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 20 May 2021 16: 20
            +5
            Quote: Alexander 3
            Learn Chechen, behave as is required by Islam and live in peace.

            And all people from the Caucasus in Russia are baptized as believers and observe the biblical commandments ?!
    3. Clear
      Clear 20 May 2021 09: 54
      +17
      What "courageous and brave warriors" in the photo are very pleased with themselves ... the child won. M r and z and!
      1. barclay
        barclay 20 May 2021 10: 30
        +4
        Not surprising. Hitler turned off his conscience with him.
      2. Artem76
        Artem76 20 May 2021 14: 30
        +1
        I was also very impressed by the photo, right to the core, everything shook me inside .... It's scary to even think about it, and those ..... also grin, the underdit is stoned. Find their relatives and sterilize everyone !!!
    4. IL-18
      IL-18 20 May 2021 10: 32
      +3
      Quote: Bearded
      and are marching now

      It is not enough to declassify the names of these reptiles, it is also necessary to convey to all Estonia. And to the European Parliament with the names of the Bandera, forest brothers and others, with the corresponding resolution tied to the contributions from the Russian Federation.
  2. loha
    loha 20 May 2021 09: 26
    +8
    "shot and burned 55 village inhabitants"
    what word did the Inhabitants choose, and not humans at all ...
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 20 May 2021 09: 53
      -7
      This refers to all living things (pets and livestock) and not just people. do not twist.
      1. frruc
        frruc 20 May 2021 10: 30
        0
        This refers to all living things (pets and livestock)

        What I have, I will enter. angry Please do not juggle.
    2. d1975
      d1975 20 May 2021 19: 08
      0
      I agree with you if the mausoleum is draped, if the true name of the holiday cannot be said, the Victory Day of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War. Either the victims of the exam, or the burbot liberal. A normal person will not say so - the inhabitants, almost in the animal world, forgive the comparison.
  3. wow
    wow 20 May 2021 09: 27
    +12
    There will be no more prisoners, wounded and others "they called me, I didn't want". Only death !
    1. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 20 May 2021 09: 32
      +18
      But why was this not done much earlier, as soon as the names were recognized?
      What's the secret?
      The country should have known the names of these "heroes".
      Now most of them have already passed away.
      What was the policy and ideology of the party pursuing by hiding the names of the criminals?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 20 May 2021 09: 46
        +5
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        What was the policy and ideology of the party pursuing by hiding the names of the criminals?

        1. They did not want lynching, and it was necessary to watch. Indeed, in every, EVERY republic, there were those who bravely fought in the Red Army, but there were also those who betrayed their own.
        2. "The unity and friendship of peoples in the USSR - that's why we won" - it was impossible to debunk this myth.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 May 2021 10: 28
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          They did not want lynching, and it was necessary to watch. Indeed, in every, EVERY republic, there were those who bravely fought in the Red Army, but there were also those who betrayed their own.

          When I studied with my friend in the 10th grade of the Smolensk region. regional center Dukhovshchina, then we lived in an apartment where the owner served in the Red Army as a political instructor, and a peasant lived next door, who was a policeman under the Germans. Since childhood, they lived side by side, went to school, but the war separated them on different sides. After the war, they again lived side by side, went to the bathhouse together, but after the bath, when they were drunk, a scuffle began and it came to knives. And in many villages and cities it was. And if at that time all the "adventures" of the accomplices had been published, the case would not have ended with a massacre and kitchen knives, lynching would have begun, and then it would have been worse.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 20 May 2021 10: 39
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            And if at that time all the "adventures" of the accomplices had been published, then the matter would not end with a massacre and kitchen knives,

            You are absolutely right. That is why the names of those who wrote denunciations "in the damned Stalinist time" are not published.
            1. Blacksmith 55
              Blacksmith 55 20 May 2021 11: 07
              -2
              And those who processed and checked these denunciations, he knew that in most cases they were far-fetched.
              Their names were also not called, so as not to excite society.
              Black should be called black, white white.
              It is clear, a thing of the past, why stir up?
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 20 May 2021 15: 06
                -1
                Quote: Blacksmith 55
                And those who processed and checked these denunciations, he knew that in most cases they were far-fetched.

                Oh really? Here comes the anonymous letter. The checking Chekist asked a scientist, a respected person, a candidate of sciences for advice on this technical issue, and he confirmed that yes, this colleague was a pest. How did the Chekist know that it was this consultant who set up the comrade in order to become the head of the laboratory himself? And not all anonymous letters were far-fetched. So here you are wrong.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 20 May 2021 22: 05
                  -1
                  How did the Chekist know that it was this consultant who set up the comrade in order to become the head of the laboratory himself?

                  And he should have known or suspected, at least.
                  Not to mention the fact that it is against not only the rules of the investigation, but also just common sense to involve an expert who is intimately familiar with the suspect.
        2. Artem76
          Artem76 20 May 2021 14: 39
          0
          The question still remains. Internationalism - internationalism, and the criminals had to be voiced, no matter what nationality, the Russian traitors were also tried, it was necessary to expose all of these "smaller brothers" to the light, so that everyone else would not be familiar.
      2. spirit
        spirit 20 May 2021 10: 02
        -7
        Because we have double standards, like everyone else. And with modern national parties in Europe, we are on very good terms) For example, dad Lupine, whose daughter took the reins of the party after him, spoke rather flatteringly about the occupation forces that controlled France during the war, and he called the gas chambers: just a detail of the war! We now support such allies (parties), they are useful (Nazis but Our Nazis) .In Estonia, we have no such allies and relations are ruined,
        therefore, you can safely declassify materials hi
      3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 May 2021 10: 10
        +1
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        But why was this not done much earlier, as soon as the names were recognized?
        What's the secret?
        The country should have known the names of these "heroes".
        Now most of them have already passed away.

        You are somewhat mistaken - six were found and tried in 1973. Five scoundrels were given a wall. One - ten. This, by the way, managed to serve in the Soviet army in 46-49.
        So it goes. The article is scanty, it was possible in more detail. With names and facts.
      4. d1975
        d1975 20 May 2021 10: 41
        0
        Remember how Mykyt happily released everyone from the stages. That's where everything goes.
      5. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 20 May 2021 11: 15
        0
        The country should have known the names of these "heroes".
        Now most of them have already passed away.

        Many also got benefits, like war heroes.
    2. Clear
      Clear 20 May 2021 09: 45
      +5
      Quote: yo-mine
      There will be no more prisoners, wounded and others "they called me, I didn't want". Only death !

      Right. We must not forget this! Never!!!
  4. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 May 2021 09: 28
    +17
    We need to boldly open military archives and publish the names of fascist accomplices from Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltic states!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 May 2021 09: 33
      +15
      Quote: vladimirvn
      We need to boldly open military archives and publish the names of fascist accomplices from Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltic states!

      This should have been done 30 years ago, but we were all shouting about "friendship of peoples."
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 20 May 2021 09: 45
        +5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: vladimirvn
        We need to boldly open military archives and publish the names of fascist accomplices from Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltic states!

        This should have been done 30 years ago, but we were all shouting about "friendship of peoples."

        this had to be done immediately after the war. 30 years ago, at best, half of these punishers remained, and by today all of them have already died in their beds as respected people.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 May 2021 09: 48
          -4
          Quote: andreykolesov123
          this had to be done immediately after the war.

          Well, can you imagine what kind of massacre would begin throughout the Union.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 20 May 2021 09: 45
        +4
        That's for sure! Previously, you had to do it. They woke up. Now, the Balts do not care about it and forget. Our Foreign Ministry and the FSB are slowing down.
        1. d1975
          d1975 20 May 2021 10: 43
          0
          How not to slow down here, business and money do not smell. Politics ...
      3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 May 2021 10: 15
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        It should have been done 30 years ago

        The court was in 1972-1973.
        There are fifteen hundred pages of the file - interrogation protocols, court materials. The ordinariness with which the details of the shootings are presented is really numb.
        Shot a child, threw a grenade into a full house ...
        Horror.
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 20 May 2021 09: 47
      +6
      If you dig deeper into the archives, you will see the crimes of the Estonian Nazis, which are not much different from the crimes committed by Himmler's Einsatzkommando ...
      One to one ... mass executions, non-human interrogations, bullying ... in general, a complete set of sadistic addictions of those who are now considered heroes in Estonia.
      During Soviet times, the emphasis on the nationality of criminals was hidden by the policy of internationalism ... but in vain.
      The Murlo of the Estonian Nazis once again crawled out and under certain circumstances they will again begin executions of the Russian-speaking population ... Just as it was with the Jews in 1941 ... the pictures of their crimes are amazing.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 20 May 2021 09: 48
      +3
      Quote: vladimirvn
      publish the names of fascist accomplices from Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states!

      That's for sure. Otherwise, "some" are already eager to receive compensation for the "occupation by Soviet troops and the USSR as a whole."
    4. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 20 May 2021 09: 55
      +5
      and publish the names of fascist accomplices

      There is a modest assumption that if the names of all the accomplices of fascism are published, then very famous names may suddenly emerge. For example - the fighters against the Stalinist "bloody regime". Not everyone will like it.
  5. cniza
    cniza 20 May 2021 09: 35
    +9
    She found out that out of 406 Pskov villages, punitive forces wiped out 325 from the face of the Earth.


    And what are the conclusions?
    1. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 20 May 2021 09: 39
      +10
      Quote: cniza
      She found out that out of 406 Pskov villages, punitive forces wiped out 325 from the face of the Earth.


      And what are the conclusions?

      I agree. Where are the claims and claims for compensation? Where are the requirements for repentance at the national level? Our "ideologists" got sick, they don't want to work. Losing face!
      1. Clear
        Clear 20 May 2021 09: 47
        +9
        Quote: vladimirvn
        Our "ideologists" got sick, they don't want to work. Losing face!

        Multi-vector, some "at the top", interferes.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 20 May 2021 10: 25
          +4
          Quote: Clear
          Multi-vector, some "at the top", interferes.

          Madam, right in a dozen love
      2. cniza
        cniza 20 May 2021 11: 32
        +3
        Quote: vladimirvn
        Where are the claims and claims for compensation? Where are the requirements for repentance at the national level? Our "ideologists" got sick, they don't want to work. Losing face!


        Having such trump cards in our hands, we do nothing ...
      3. andrew42
        andrew42 20 May 2021 19: 08
        +2
        What are these compensations? Here you have to act like the Israelites (the case when it is not a sin to learn) - without a statute of limitations. Capture, export, trial, execution. Preferably at the same place where the crimes were committed. But our authorities are "humane", "civilized", at our own expense, at the expense of our grandfathers and grandmothers, who survived and died.
  6. magdama
    magdama 20 May 2021 09: 37
    0
    All this should have been published 30 years ago. Now it is irrelevant, like Russian fairy tales. They have no effect. The road is a spoon for dinner.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 20 May 2021 09: 50
      +5
      Quote: magdama
      All this should have been published 30 years ago. Now it is irrelevant, like Russian fairy tales. They have no effect. The road is a spoon for dinner.

      You are wrong! And Russian fairy tales are relevant, and it's never too late to tell the truth. Moreover, these documents can be used to gag especially greyhounds.
  7. Avior
    Avior 20 May 2021 09: 42
    +3
    The Federal Security Service (FSB) for the first time revealed the names of Estonian punishers who destroyed villages and villages in the Pskov region during the Great Patriotic War.

    unclear. open courts were back in the 70s - and they were also classified, or what?
    On October 22, 1943, partisans from a detachment under the command of Ivan Vorobyov ambushed a convoy of the 37th police battalion of Estonian SS men on the edge of the village. [5] A car was blown up, about 11 fascists were killed. A couple of hours later, from the village of Zaitsevo, where the Nazis were stationed, the punishers of the 1st and 3rd platoons of the 37th police battalion came to Laneva Gora. They shot and burned on the spot, in their homes, 65 people, of which more than half were children. According to the archival information, the list of the dead included "3 infants, 29 children under the age of 14," not counting women [6] [7] [8] [9].

    In 1973, a show trial took place in the Palace of Culture of Builders of Pskov, when the regional court sentenced the punishers from the 37th police battalion. [10] The court completed its work on June 13, 1973.

    Unfortunately, the guerrilla war is practically accompanied by the death of civilians: (((
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 May 2021 09: 47
      -1
      They did it in a planned and meticulous way.
      1. Avior
        Avior 20 May 2021 09: 50
        +1
        exactly. As part of the fight against partisans.
        The guerrillas often used villages as bases
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 20 May 2021 09: 54
          +6
          You can burn the village and drive out the inhabitants ... ... this is what the Russian Empire did in the Caucasus ... or you can burn them together with the inhabitants - these are the methods of the Germans and their friends at that time
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 May 2021 10: 24
            -1
            Anything happened: ((
            May 12, 1994 'Resolution of the Parliament of the Kabardino-Balkarian Republic No. 21-P-P (on the appeal to the State Duma with the issue of recognizing the genocide of the Circassians) [32]
            April 29, 1996 Address of the President of the Republic of Adygea Aslan Alievich Dzharimov to the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation with the issue of recognizing the genocide of the Circassians [33].

            Burning a village, crops, livestock and driving out residents is like killing.
            But there were also executions of auls from guns, for example.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 20 May 2021 10: 37
              +1
              Anything was .... But the Nazis specifically planned the destruction of the population.
              1. Avior
                Avior 20 May 2021 11: 32
                0
                In the Caucasus, mass expulsions were also planned at a high level.
                The Nazis planned the destruction of the villages as a means of fighting the partisans.
                1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                  Andrey Krasnoyarsky 21 May 2021 13: 14
                  0
                  A traditional excuse, invented by the Germans themselves and their accomplices during the war. Like, we kill only partisans and their assistants, but we don't touch ordinary people. But only this fairy tale does not fit the fact that many villages with their inhabitants were destroyed even where there were no partisans in sight. And what kind of help could one-month-old babies provide to the partisans?
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 21 May 2021 19: 04
                    0
                    ... Like, we kill only partisans and their assistants

                    If they said that, then they lied
                    Other groups of people were killed
                    But due to the fact that the partisans used the villages as bases, the villages were burned more often. At the same time, people were not always completely killed.
                    Usually when they were killed as revenge directly at the moment of the attack of the partisans somewhere in the village or near, like Khatyn, for example. People were accused of not reporting the partisans.
                    A similar situation was in Europe - Lidice or Oradour in France died just like that.
            2. lelik613
              lelik613 21 May 2021 18: 35
              0
              "Anything happened: (("
              How is it in ru-u-u-sski? Slave traders, people stealers, robbers ... In a word, human rights activists. To understand and to forgive. Rehabilitate and give money.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 May 2021 11: 05
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          exactly. As part of the fight against partisans.
          The guerrillas often used villages as bases

          If Soviet soldiers had done this in the fight against the Werewolf, then in the Kaliningrad region there would have been no one to be resettled in Germany in 1949.
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 May 2021 11: 36
            -1
            The scale is incomparable.
    2. Clear
      Clear 20 May 2021 09: 51
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      The Federal Security Service (FSB) for the first time revealed the names of Estonian punishers who destroyed villages and villages in the Pskov region during the Great Patriotic War.

      unclear. open courts were back in the 70s - and they were also classified, or what?
      On October 22, 1943, partisans from a detachment under the command of Ivan Vorobyov ambushed a convoy of the 37th police battalion of Estonian SS men on the edge of the village. [5] A car was blown up, about 11 fascists were killed. A couple of hours later, from the village of Zaitsevo, where the Nazis were stationed, the punishers of the 1st and 3rd platoons of the 37th police battalion came to Laneva Gora. They shot and burned on the spot, in their homes, 65 people, of which more than half were children. According to the archival information, the list of the dead included "3 infants, 29 children under the age of 14," not counting women [6] [7] [8] [9].

      In 1973, a show trial took place in the Palace of Culture of Builders of Pskov, when the regional court sentenced the punishers from the 37th police battalion. [10] The court completed its work on June 13, 1973.

      Unfortunately, the guerrilla war is practically accompanied by the death of civilians: (((

      "Doom" is a multifaceted concept. In this case, we are talking about premeditated murder, especially innocent citizens and children.
      1. Avior
        Avior 20 May 2021 09: 58
        -2
        Of course, this is a crime.
        But, on the other hand, this is a predictable reaction to partisan actions involving civilians. In Europe it was also - Lidice, Oradour, in Greece, Italy, Poland - practically all over Europe.
        And not only. Vietnam or Afghanistan, the same problems.
        I have been writing for a long time that there should be an objective serious work of historians to assess the effectiveness of the accepted forms of partisan actions from the point of view of the ratio of losses between the Germans and our people.
        hi
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 20 May 2021 10: 34
          +5
          Quote: Avior
          this is a predictable reaction to partisan actions involving the civilian population .... I have been writing for a long time that there should be an objective serious work of historians to assess the effectiveness of the accepted forms of partisan actions with ...

          In principle, I understand the motives, but I disagree with you: it is this argument that is used by the same Balts when they drag former partisans and saboteurs to the courts. This argument is hammered into fragile heads, only in different formulations - they say, because of the Reds, the locals died .. Distortion of wording is a terrible weapon in the information field. You can't do this - we won and everything was done for this, no such discussions.
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 May 2021 11: 41
            0
            it is this argument that is used by the same Balts when they drag former partisans and saboteurs to the courts.

            What is the argument?
            We are talking about the ratio of the damage inflicted on the Germans and the associated level of their own losses in the accepted forms of partisan warfare.
            There were also other proposals on the forms of partisan warfare, read Starinov, for example.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 20 May 2021 11: 47
              +4
              Quote: Avior
              We are talking about the ratio of the damage inflicted to the Germans and the associated losses of their own in the accepted forms of partisan warfare.

              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              Distortion of wording is a terrible weapon in the information field

              ... so even the idea of ​​such open-air discussions must be rejected.
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              won and everything was done for this, no such discussions.
              Specialists will learn from any situation - the work is
              1. Avior
                Avior 20 May 2021 12: 14
                -2
                Not quite clear.
                What kind of discussions?
                It's about our losses.
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 20 May 2021 13: 25
                  0
                  This is a very serious topic. And it cannot be solved in the comments.
                  There were crimes against the civilian population, of course, but they were a consequence. And so it was everywhere.
                  This is called find 2 differences between a partisan and a forest brother.
                  Declassified lists are published lists.
                  After the Second World War, the competent authorities of the USSR dealt with each separately who collaborated with the Germans, and the punishment was determined on the basis of flight analysis.
                  Punishers were searched for until the 80s. There were also show trials.
                  Now it is customary to single out punishers from the former republics of the USSR, forgetting about their own.
                  At that distant time, there was no such division for law enforcement agencies. All were citizens of the USSR and the attitude was more or less even.
                2. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 20 May 2021 15: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: Avior
                  this is a predictable reaction to partisan actions involving the civilian population .... I have been writing for a long time that there should be an objective serious work of historians to assess the effectiveness of the accepted forms of partisan actions with ...
                  I wanted to say that in my opinion it is unacceptable to question the actions of the same partisans and it is clear that there was a response. In the end, they completed the task.
                  And it is this very argument, they say, because of the actions of the Reds, local people died is used by those who, in the same Baltic states, are trying to judge the partisans.
                  There is a risk that your probably healthy desire to assess the effectiveness of the adopted forms of partisan actions will give a reason to drive a wave for the generation of Winners. In my opinion, this is a discussion for specialists, but not for open air. Something like this, have a nice day
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 20 May 2021 15: 15
                    -2
                    ... And it is this argument, they say, because of the actions of the Reds, the locals were killed by those who, in the same Baltic states, are trying to judge the partisans.

                    If you are talking about the Kononov case, then there were completely different arguments.
            2. Clear
              Clear 20 May 2021 14: 17
              +4
              Quote: Avior
              There were also other proposals on the forms of partisan warfare, read Starinov, for example.

              Don't you understand that partisan struggle is a broad concept, and partisan sabotage activity, as Starinov wrote about, is only an integral part of this struggle.
              Of course, the better trained people, the more effective the fight.

              Quote: Avior
              I have been writing for a long time that there should be an objective serious work of historians to assess the effectiveness of the accepted forms of partisan actions from the point of view of the ratio of losses between the Germans and our people.
              Perhaps, from the point of view of the ratio of losses, historians recognize it as ineffective, so what? Because of this, they will offer the population to accept the invaders humbly, as an objective reality according to the "sacred laws of war"?
              As in the Patriotic War of 1812, Napoleon's envoy, General Larison, complained to Kutuzov about "... barbarians of the partisan-Russian peasants who are not fighting according to the rules ..."
              There is no need to generalize the murderers of civilians and soldiers who are at war, even with partisans.

              PS Captured soldiers should have a chance to return home, but assassins shouldn't.
              1. Avior
                Avior 20 May 2021 14: 51
                -2
                There were other opportunities and proposals for the forms of organized partisan warfare, one can read about this, for example, in Starinov's memoirs, not related to mass repressions against the civilian population, more effective, in his opinion, and less massive.
        2. Artem76
          Artem76 20 May 2021 14: 48
          +2
          You are confusing concepts a little. The partisan is the defender of the MOTHERLAND! When the ENEMY came to him, to his house, to his native land !!!! And in your opinion, the killing of civilians, by the ENEMY on the territory they have seized, is just a predictable reaction in the fight against partisans? Therefore, according to your logic, after the capture of Berlin, it was simply necessary to burn the entire population of Germany? It would be all just a reaction to the fact that they attacked us first !?
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 May 2021 15: 17
            -3
            ... Therefore, according to your logic, after the capture of Berlin, it was simply necessary to burn the entire population of Germany?

            I didn't have such logic, you wrote it on your own
            1. Artem76
              Artem76 21 May 2021 07: 37
              +1
              I am not accusing you of anything ... But you wrote the phrase thoughtlessly. A "predictable response" is a causal relationship. And it turned out in your opinion that if it were not for the partisans, the fascists would not have killed our citizens. But this is fundamentally wrong! Their policy for the destruction of our (and not only) peoples had already been spelled out and worked out on the territory of Europe even before the attack on the USSR. I just wanted to tell you about this.
              1. Avior
                Avior 21 May 2021 08: 18
                -1
                A "predictable response" is a causal relationship.

                it is, so what surprises you? Similar can be traced in other cases, in Europe, for example. It is not for nothing that the Hague Convention divides the warring parties (combatants) and the civilian population and prohibits their mixing - this causal relationship was obvious to the creators of the Convention at the beginning of the 20th century. By the way, the Nazis do not become less criminal from this crime.
                And it turned out in your opinion that if it were not for the partisans, the fascists would not have killed our citizens.

                and in this place you are substituting concepts. I didn't write that. It's about scale. The connection of some of the deaths of our people with the accepted forms of partisan warfare is obvious.
                And in order to speak more specifically about the scale, this requires serious research by professional historians. And they are not, no one wants to take up this topic.
                But this is fundamentally wrong!

                of course, wrong, only this is your statement, not mine. I didn't write that.
                hi
  8. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 May 2021 09: 43
    +2
    Why were they silent before? What were you afraid of?
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 May 2021 09: 46
    +3
    In these cases, Croats, Hungarians also distinguished themselves .. Romanians
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 20 May 2021 09: 58
      +2
      Here, it is easier to count who did not distinguish themselves_ in my opinion there are none, at least in Europe. I recall the words of Hitler, said to the leaders of Europe, at the end of the film "White Tiger": "What do you blame me for, I did what all Europe dreamed of." Hood. fiction, of course, but in fact true.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 20 May 2021 10: 46
        +1
        Some kind of collective thoughts wandered around Europe.
  10. Doccor18
    Doccor18 20 May 2021 09: 47
    +1
    The Federal Security Service (FSB) for the first time revealed the names of the Estonian punishers who destroyed villages and villages in the Pskov region during the Great Patriotic War. The declassified documents list by name dozens of nationalists from Estonia, who dealt with the civilian population of the territory occupied by the German fascists.
    Why only now? Unclear...
    They probably haven’t survived anymore ...
    And what was the secrecy of these documents? War crimes and criminals should be identified and punished as quickly as possible, in my opinion ...
  11. newcomer
    newcomer 20 May 2021 09: 48
    +3
    Hmm, but we, that is, the power_ in the person of Khrushchev, pardoned these nits, paid pensions. His mother, how paradoxical the world is. And now our volunteers from the Ministry of Defense are digging out entire villages of those who died at the hands of these nits, which are now marching along the geyrops like mummers and roosters.
    1. Avior
      Avior 20 May 2021 10: 02
      +1
      who told you that you had mercy? the court, for example, on the fact of the destruction of the village of Laneva Gora was in 1973
      Defendants: Ann Oodla, Ernst Pähn, Johannes Aluoja and August Kukk were sentenced to death; Kangur Bernhard ... was sentenced to 15 years in prison, and Walter Kukk was sentenced to 10 years without exile and confiscation of property. The sentence was carried out on January 11, 1974, except for Oodle, who died in the prison hospital from cancer in December 1973.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 20 May 2021 10: 05
        +1
        I do not mean exactly those who were allowed into the expense by the court, but everyone who, in one way or another, was smeared in the grudge
        fascists.
        Where do you think these "pensioners" come from?
        1. Avior
          Avior 20 May 2021 10: 08
          0
          one way or another, this is a very broad interpretation; the majority of the population of the occupied territories falls under it.
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 20 May 2021 10: 13
            +2
            Without a difference, he guarded the concentration camp, handed over the Red Army soldiers to the Ssovites, guarded or accompanied someone or something, or fought against us, burned down villages and TD and TP. Smeared in servitude to murderers_ means scum. The decision of Nuremberg is in your hands, do not talk philosophically about "broad interpretations".
            1. Avior
              Avior 20 May 2021 10: 29
              -1
              no one pardoned those who burned down the villages.
              In one way or another a lot of things are included
              most of them worked for the Germans in one way or another, for example. the occupation was three years, it was necessary to survive.
              Smeared into subservience to murderers

              turns
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 20 May 2021 11: 01
                +1
                How primitive you think_ of cooks and janitors, we do not touch.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 20 May 2021 11: 43
                  0
                  As you wrote, so I understood
                  It's just that those who committed the crimes you described were not amnestied until they were imprisoned, if they were not shot immediately
                  Some were tried twice as new facts emerged.
                  As for the cooks and janitors, there were also technical employees of the administrations, all sorts of land surveyors, technicians and others.
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 20 May 2021 13: 22
                    +2
                    Well, yes, all of you listed, however, all one henchmen of the killers, since the Wehrmacht from the SS in humanity did not differ. If we say "one way or another". Well, in general, we had cooks and technicians behind enemy lines who destroyed the enemy no worse than the partisans.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 20 May 2021 16: 10
                      0
                      I am his Wehrmacht, and about the occupation administrations, somehow support life in the cities, the collective farms both worked before the war and continued, except that the German army was supplied, and agronomists, foremen and others worked there, mts, read, worked, other enterprises, schools worked to a greater or lesser extent, hospitals also worked.
                      1. newcomer
                        newcomer 20 May 2021 18: 01
                        0
                        Well, yes, only for the good of what? Of course, everything can be justified by the desire to simply live for the population. However, what was taught in these schools? And about the work and maintenance of the Wehrmacht_ generally keep quiet.
  12. Esaul
    Esaul 20 May 2021 09: 59
    +1
    And now what to do with these names?
  13. Blue fox
    Blue fox 20 May 2021 10: 03
    +4
    Reprint the list, make a huge banner and put it on the Russian side facing Estonia at every border crossing in the Pskov region. Suffice it to write- These Estonians are punishers and murderers of children. Damn them!
    Let every Estonian who enters our country know that everything is remembered here.
  14. Jabroni
    Jabroni 20 May 2021 10: 05
    +4
    Relatively recently, the Israeli special services have kidnapped, taken to Israel and hanged such geeks. It's a shame they don't do this anymore.
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 20 May 2021 10: 36
    0
    shot and burned 55 village inhabitants
    ... CUT THE LOOK! To the author and to the one who checked it ... Guys, are you all right with .....?
    As a matter of fact, the article ..... it's necessary, you can't forget this!
  16. Evil troll
    Evil troll 20 May 2021 10: 41
    +1
    And this non-human still dares to bark something about the Soviet occupation.
    1. Shkworen
      Shkworen 20 May 2021 10: 56
      0
      will dare, screams will begin, "and we are for what?" and "vivsevrete" :)
  17. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 20 May 2021 10: 52
    +1
    You can't forget !!!! Everything that relates to collaborators and especially war criminals must be pulled out of the archives! Methodically and constantly eat up the baldness of all the Nazi singers in hushing up war crimes and, in fact, their "rehabilitation" with blatant "days of reconciliation", etc. !! In principle, start any official dialogue with the Baltic nonentities with accusations of crimes against humanity !!!
  18. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 May 2021 11: 12
    0
    it should have been done 75 years ago, and not in "brothers" to play
  19. iouris
    iouris 20 May 2021 11: 47
    0
    What's next - to wipe out all villages in Estonia and Latvia? Make them pay? They are "in the house".
  20. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 20 May 2021 13: 05
    0
    Then they should all be mowed down to one, here not only Estonians and others too.
    Because of these bastards, my grandmother lived to be only 56 years old.
    Mother lived in cellars and basements and baths that were heated in black.
  21. Dikson
    Dikson 20 May 2021 13: 25
    +1
    It's a good thing .. only .. the son does not answer for his father .. I just came across on the Internet a seemingly patriotic short film "circus performer" .. And he began to swear .. How beautiful and competently everything is shown .. - According to the plot - they stand two little girls with loops around their necks under the gallows in the village. The plates are partisans. An evil fascist in a leather coat walks past the formation of "good" Germans and hits them in the fascist muzzles because they do not want to hang up little Russian partisans.! And adult Russian partisans in clean military uniforms sit in the bushes and do not dare to attack the damned fascists. That is, do you understand what's going on? The Germans are all. - were good! They did not hang anyone, they did not burn or shoot! it sometimes met one or two evil .. And the Russian one is a clown who distracts and makes all the Germans laugh so that they don't hang the girls .. this is a movie .. and I thought .. -director, cattle you .. would you talk about Zina I shot a movie for Portnova, how she, already caught, managed to shoot the Germans and escape .. a 15-year-old girl .. And what torments she endured without betraying anyone when her wounded woman was caught .. The idea of ​​forgiving "good Germans", patriotic policemen and punishers. is diligently advancing in today's Russia .. Stake your teeth, forgiving and conciliators .. We have no right to forget the crimes against our country and our people .. There is no statute of limitations for such crimes !.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 20 May 2021 16: 18
      +4
      Quote: Dikson
      The idea of ​​forgiving "good Germans", patriotic policemen and punishers. Is advancing diligently in today's Russia .. Stake in your teeth, forgiving and conciliators .. We have no right to forget the crimes against our country and our people .. Such crimes have no statute of limitations! ...

      So they summed up, it's simple, but very clear.
      The son is not responsible for the father, but the authorities must have the political will to stop antics "Heirs", moreover, so that there was no desire to try again to pass the procession
  22. Artem76
    Artem76 20 May 2021 14: 58
    +1
    The photo is very scary, it is unlikely that it will be possible to fall asleep calmly now, ... this helpless and at the same time reproachful look of this girl is still in front of my eyes ...
  23. Evil 55
    Evil 55 20 May 2021 16: 18
    0
    Half of the modern monsters marching across Estonia in Nazi uniforms would have done exactly the same thing on their own initiative ..
  24. andrew42
    andrew42 20 May 2021 19: 01
    0
    I didn't get it. And where is the declassified list / list of the names of the monsters? Or a link to a source containing it? No list - nothing to discuss. The 37th Security Battalion is nothing new.
  25. kalibr
    kalibr 21 May 2021 05: 13
    0
    What have you been waiting for so long?
  26. wow
    wow 21 May 2021 08: 48
    0
    The "grandfather" Stalin IV was very kind. when, after the end of WWII, he allowed the content of THESE in the camps for the purpose of "re-education". Too kind !!! They "did not know, they were forced," and so on. etc. Only the dead don't shoot in the back !!! Axiom, damn it ....
  27. SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 21 May 2021 08: 52
    0
    for the first time revealed the names of the Estonian punishers .. why were they ashamed before?
  28. Alexfly
    Alexfly 21 May 2021 09: 38
    0
    Now we need to steal them and condemn them, if they are alive, of course .. This is done all over the world ... The Nazis have no mercy even in a coffin
  29. kig
    kig 21 May 2021 13: 39
    0
    And what was the point of keeping it a secret?
    1. lelik613
      lelik613 21 May 2021 18: 43
      0
      Socially close. To those who kept it a secret.
  30. Compasure
    Compasure 21 May 2021 21: 15
    0
    Quote: Terenin
    Apart from the desire to destroy, there is nothing like their current minions.

    Exactly to DESTROY, not to knock out teeth!